Hour 3: Jets Offseason Plans

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast – Hour 3: Jets Offseason Plans

Date: January 21, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Theme: The crew debates the Jets’ quarterback situation, draft strategy for pick #16, and broader offseason plans, with heated exchanges about organizational philosophy, past mistakes, and the challenges facing an impatient franchise.

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Episode Overview

The main thrust of this hour centers around the New York Jets' crucial offseason decisions, especially the question: Should the Jets use the 16th pick on a developmental quarterback like Ty Simpson, or focus on acquiring plug-and-play talent and veteran stability? The discussion features a critical analysis of Mel Kiper’s mock draft, the risks of organizational impatience, and the pitfalls of the Jets’ history with young QB development. Listeners join in, offering alternative strategies and voicing fan frustration.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mel Kiper’s Mock Draft and the Ty Simpson Debate

• Kiper links Alabama’s Ty Simpson to the Jets at #16, arguing his upside and competitiveness, but admitting he needs development ([00:50]).

• Alan and Don immediately push back, arguing the Jets aren’t equipped to develop a raw QB and face intense pressure to play any rookie immediately.

  • Don: "You can ruin a quarterback by throwing him out there… The Jets are really good at that." ([01:21])
  • Alan: "These picks need to turn into plug-and-play immediate players now." ([02:23])

• Alan prefers pursuing Trindon Chambliss as a lower-round option or trading down to collect draft capital. He questions taking any QB with little game experience, especially when the team lacks developmental stability.

  • "If that means that 16 pick goes to a team that wants a quarterback they can stash… great. Give me some draft capital and I can always get into the second round..." ([02:23])

2. Organizational Dysfunction and Pressure

• The Jets’ unstable commitment to patience looms large.

  • Don: "You draft him, and within days, people are going to be, 'How fast can you get him in?'" ([01:21])
  • Alan: "If that's the answer to everything, you're dead... Let's not even talk about it... It's all going to be a mess." ([06:21])

• Comparison to other franchises:

  • Teams with established veteran QBs (e.g., the Rams with Stafford) can afford to draft and sit a rookie.
  • The Jets, by contrast, lack the “infrastructure” and patience—owners and fans would clamor for immediate results ([04:49], [05:20]).

• Schrager’s “Keep Swinging” Philosophy:

  • The panel ridicules Peter Schrager’s idea of “just draft a QB at 16, and if it doesn’t work, try again next year.”
  • Alan: "I cannot. If that is your general philosophy as a general manager, you should not be allowed back in the league." ([09:44])
  • Don: "How can you just say… 'Hey, if it doesn’t work, just pick another one next year'? No, because you know why? You won’t be here to pick another one next year if the team stinks again..." ([10:24])

3. The Value of the #16 Pick

• Consensus: The 16th pick cannot be wasted on a “swing” quarterback.

  • "16 is too valuable." – Don ([18:41])
  • "This isn't a garbage pick." – Peter ([18:45])
  • "You traded away Sauce Gardner to get that pick… you just don't throw it away. It's 16, it's in the middle of the first round." – Alan ([09:38])

• Strong calls for leveraging the pick for immediate contributors or more draft capital.

4. Veteran Stop-Gap Quarterbacks vs. Drafting for the Future

• The panel recognizes few quality vet QBs are available (names discussed: Kyler Murray, Geno Smith, Tua, Mac Jones, Malik Willis, Joe Flacco, and tongue-in-cheek, Aaron Rodgers).

  • Don: "There are going to be older QBs... they're not going to move the needle." ([18:04])
  • Caller suggestion: Sign Mac Jones as a placeholder and draft a developmental QB on Day 2/3. ([17:05])

• Malik Willis as a low-risk upside play.

  • Peter: "At least you could be curious about Malik Willis’s ceiling." ([31:05])
  • Don: "He just was drafted into a bum situation." ([31:11])
  • Even so, concern over overpaying for reclamation projects.

5. The Jets’ Cycle of Losing & Imposed Panic

• The hosts voice frustration over the cycle of impatience, panic moves, and lack of real progress.
  • Alan: "You go out there and go 3 and 14, and everybody gets fired." ([15:48])
  • Don: "The patience all of a sudden turns into panic every time." ([16:53])
  • Fans and hosts agree that until ownership changes approach, the team is stuck in reactive, short-term thinking.

6. Fan Call-Ins Reflect Realistic (and Cynical) Appraisal

• Callers echo hosts’ worries about wasting picks; suggest focusing on filling holes, then targeting a true QB in a deeper future class ([19:06], [28:34]).

  • Caller: “The Jets have like four picks in the top 50 next year... Not like they're a quarterback away from the Super Bowl.”

• Skepticism about “winning just enough to have a bad pick but not enough to save jobs” and the annual debate of tanking vs. trying to build momentum ([29:49]).

7. The “Desperation” Free Agency Hypotheticals

• Hosts joke but also genuinely consider wild scenarios like calling Flacco or even crawling back to Aaron Rodgers for a reunion after last season.
  • Don: "I'd rather crawl back to Aaron Rodgers than take a quarterback at 16 who I know can't play." ([38:18])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On reckless QB drafting:

  • Alan: “If that is your general philosophy as a general manager, you should not be allowed back in the league. Oh, it's a sick art. So what? I'll take a quarterback. Oh, if it doesn't work, we'll just… so what?” ([09:44])
  • Don: “How can you just say, you know, 'Hey, if it doesn’t work out, just pick another one next year'? No, because you know why—you won’t be here to pick another one next year if the team stinks again...” ([10:24])

• On the organizational cycle:

  • Don: “The patience all of a sudden turns around into panic every time.” ([16:53])

• On the value of pick 16:

  • “When did all of a sudden, Peter, 16 become like a throwaway?” – Alan ([18:36])
  • Don: “16 is too valuable.” ([18:41])
  • Peter: "This isn't a garbage pick." ([18:45])

• On the Jets' self-awareness:

  • Don: “You would think a three would know what a three looks like.”
  • Peter: “That's exactly right. They know very well. They just need a mirror.” ([23:01–23:07], in the context of the Jets dating analogy)

• On the hypothetical Aaron Rodgers return:

  • Alan: “You're asking the Jets to send a U up text to Aaron Rodgers.” ([36:25])
  • Don: “I'd rather crawl back to Aaron Rodgers than take a quarterback at 16 who I know can't play.” ([38:18])

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Key Timestamps

• 00:13 – 04:21: Mel Kiper’s Ty Simpson mock explained and dissected
• 04:49 – 06:26: Debate over Jets’ drafting and development track record
• 08:58 – 10:59: Rant on the dangers of “just keep swinging at QB” logic
• 13:36 – 16:53: Ownership impatience and its organizational consequences
• 17:01 – 19:00: Caller 'Moose' proposes Mac Jones stop-gap strategy
• 19:06 – 20:38: Caller 'Larry' echoes value-focus for pick #16
• 21:01 – 23:07: Highlight: Jets “3/10” self-awareness dating analogy
• 28:34 – 30:20: Caller 'Adam' on tanking versus building for a future QB
• 31:03 – 32:39: Malik Willis explored as a bridge/unknown-upside player
• 34:10 – 35:06: Hypothetical “help wanted” ad for a Jets QB
• 36:25 – 38:18: Joking about texting Aaron Rodgers for a return

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Overall Tone & Style

• Cynicism laced with humor: The hosts mock the franchise’s dysfunction but do so with familiar New York sports radio wit.
• Direct, passionate language: Frequent outbursts (“you should not be allowed back in the league,” “it’s all going to be a mess”) illustrate deep frustration.
• Occasional sports talk analogies (dating, job ads) keep things light when the subject matter gets bleak.
• Engaged and frank with callers: Listeners’ frustrations mirrored and amplified, giving “voice” to the fan base.

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Takeaways for Non-Listeners

• Jets face a high-stakes offseason; most agree the team cannot justify gambling pick #16 on a developmental QB this year.
• The organization’s instability and lack of patience make nurturing a young QB nearly impossible under current conditions.
• The best approach: fill holes with immediate contributors or veterans, use the draft capital for future flexibility, and wait for a true franchise QB opportunity.
• The hosts’ dynamic—blunt, sarcastic, self-aware—matches the long-suffering but still hopeful tone of the Jets’ fan base.

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. That sounds like heaven to me. Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, so no more time to waste here on Don Hannah Rosenberg because we want to talk to the people at 1-800-919-3776. And we got to get back to some Cody Bellinger who will be a Yankee for the next five years and $162 million. But Alan, what, what nauseated you so much about the prospect of Mel Kuiper saying tie Simpson to the New York jets at 16? And here is Mel. So just to let let you react here, Alan, here, here's Mel on mocking Simpson to the jets. He's 23 years of age. His father's a coach. Nick Saban's there with him, advising him.

[Alan]

So he had heard first round, you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Think about Ty Simpson. I said he could have been top five. He would have continued through offensive line, let him down. Ryan Williams didn't have the year expectant. He had no running game. Ty Simpson obviously goes to a team that you say, can they screw it up? Can they affect, hey, let him sit for a little bit. He's only has 15 starts, but again, put a little weight on that frame. This kid's so competitive, he won't let a play die. He fights to bitter end a little too much. He'll figure that out. Ty Simps, like I said, at this point at 16, we were talking top five back in October, I think would make sense for the New York jets or the Steelers or the Rams late first round.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. What he's basically saying is this is a guy that you draft and then you just kind of hope to develop him. You put some more time into him. Right. You're not drafting him to play him right away. The problem is that you could do that in some other places and here in New York, you can't do it because you don't have another option. You draft him and within, within days, people are going to be how fast can you get him in? And this is a guy that doesn't have a lot of reps in college. And what have we seen over the years recently from a lot of these quarterbacks that come out of college and they don't have a lot of game experience? What do we see? It doesn't work. You can ruin a quarterback by throwing him out there and just it's got to be better. He'll figure it out. It doesn't work like that. You can ruin a player that way. And the jets are really good at that. Ruining a player I don't want. That's why I don't love this. Now again, Mel's doing what he does because for Mel, this is the player that makes sense at this number. Team needs a quarterback. This is the next best quarterback. This is the guy you take. So we did a little more digging. So he also did a big board rankings. So where's Trinidad Chambliss in this whole thing? He does have him as the third quarterback. Best quarterback in the draft. He has him ranked third. But he doesn't have him in his mock first round, which means he doesn't see him as a first round pick. That's fine with me. I have no problem. As I said, I feel like these picks need to turn into plug and play immediate players now. And if that means that 16 pick goes to a team that wants a quarterback that they can stash and develop and they want to take him there, great. Give me some draft capital and I can always get into the second round or be in the second round. And if Chambliss is there, if he's available, that's the guy I would probably rather get. Now I know the knock on him is that he's six one. Barely. They feel like he's small and small quarterbacks don't really work out. He has also talked about how he does want to go back to Ole Miss. He just did an interview. I'm reading some of the quotes here. He's making it pretty clear how much he loved it there and he feels like it gives him more time to develop. But he's 23 years old. If you give him a. If he knows I could be a first round pick next year with another college year under my belt, then maybe he wants to stay for that rather than be a second round pick. But you also don't know. I mean, Carson Beck was in college for seven years. Did his stock go up or go.

[Alan]

Down the longer he stayed stagnant?

[Don Hahn]

You know what I mean? Like it. So to me that's somebody that I would consider. But if not, and Mel is yelling it, he's screaming it. This is not a quarterback draft. There is not a desperate need for the jets to draft a quarterback in the first round this year. Just because you have two picks, it doesn't mean you make it on someone who's made 17 starts in college and clearly needs a lot more development. And that's something you're not good at as an organization.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Don Hahn]

So that's why you just. I don't, I don't want to buy into this. I know why Mel's doing it and I don't begrudge Mel. But this is not something that should become a narrative with the Jets. It should not.

[Alan]

Well, where are you coming from, Alan, of just against taking young quarterbacks, inexperienced quarterbacks in college overall, Are you just against the jets doing it because they don't have a history of developing a quarterback?

[Don Hahn]

Both. Now, if, if you had a veteran like again, the Rams, a great example, the Rams with Matthew Stafford, then you can draft a Ty Simpson type that you know he's not going to play. We don't have to play him. There's no urgency to play him. There's no reason to play him. But, but man, we can get him in our system. He could be around this guy who's an mvp, who's an all time great, and he can like learn and then in time he can get better. That's, that's the way it's supposed to go. But.

[Jacob]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

You know, it won't go that way.

[Alan]

Well, but that, that's the thing. I'm saying you're biased on your opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong because you just know that the jets aren't good at this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The worst.

[Alan]

But we don't know. We don't know this regime is bad at it all. The only evidence we have is that Justin Fields didn't mature, didn't get better. But that could be on Fields. But that could be on Fields.

[Don Hahn]

But he looked, he got worse as the season went on. He didn't get better, he didn't develop. They didn't put a system around him that fit his skill set. They had a system that they took from Detroit and said, here, play this way. He doesn't play that way.

[Alan]

If, and I fundamentally agree with you, but if Muji likes this kid and believes that he could be good, you can't not draft him because, oh, we're going to feel pressure to play him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why?

[Alan]

Why would you feel pressure to play him?

[Don Hahn]

Because you're not. You have an owner that can't help himself.

[Alan]

I can't answer to that.

[Don Hahn]

He can't help.

[Alan]

Forget it. But here's the thing. If that's the answer to everything, you're dead.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan]

So let's not even talk about it. No, seriously, let's not even have a discussion. Because they'll get screwed no matter what they do. Well, because of what he's going to get his fat hands on it. It's all going to be a mess.

[Don Hahn]

You can use. Like I said, I think you've got to be now. That's why the, the other thing that again was all just reindeer games about, you know, to and Kyler, you know, those are the names of players that the jets could get in a trade. And that just makes you just go, I'm good. I'm all set. Like the options aren't really great. You need a veteran quarterback that can get you through the year. One is not really available that we know of right now. But if one does somehow shake free, you do have some draft capital to get it done. That to me is the only redeeming thing you can do this offseason. I don't think drafting someone in a quarterback draft that isn't very deep and doesn't have a lot of experience and already has two guys that would be considered two top picks. Two of them. One of them already set him going back and another one's desperately trying to stay out of the draft and go back. So you're. Now you're, you're really going into the depths where you're going to take somebody that really isn't considered to be a high end prospect and you're putting them in a quarterback room where you don't have any talent and you might be forced to play someone just because you drafted them and it's a different face.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's not how you. I want to run one thing by you, Al. Let's see if this how Alan feels about this. Here's, here's Schrager reacting to the thought of this.

[Don Hahn]

I like it because you could take a swing this year, the second first round pick you have and you have so many picks that, hey, if he's not the guy, you could draft another one next year and you're not bound to Ty Simpson. You took him 16th overall. I don't think it's a bad idea. Take one this year and if he's not great, take another one next year. You might as well keep swinging the bat. I love sh. I love Shrek. Love him.

[Alan]

Oh my God.

[Don Hahn]

But you say it's just a 16th pick. Do you understand how many holes are on this roster that you cannot just, just throw away a 16th overall pick?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not your fourth round pick, Shrey.

[Don Hahn]

No, if you're right, if you're. Again, if you want to take one of the older or one of the guys that had some sizzle and then didn't really do it this year, but maybe has Some potential and they're older and you want to take them in the third round or fourth round could do it. And maybe, maybe you'll hit, maybe you'll get a Dak Prescott out of it. But you can't do that with the 16th. Don't gamble that pick. Use it to get more draft capital. If you don't feel like that's an area that's too high to draft a guy. But hey, let's take a swing. You can't afford to do that if you're the Jets. No way. And you're Mooji. This is a big off season for him.

[Alan]

This is why I get so frustrated with these things.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, here we go.

[Alan]

Now, these are good people that work their tail off and they do way more homework on these prospects and they're way more connected than I am in the NFL. But how can I take what you say seriously? If you say, oh, just take them at 16 if it doesn't work out so well, we got all these other picks. I can't. I can't deal with that. These guys hold on. The seventh round picks like they're gold. The 60th overall pick. And listen, you didn't lock into the 60 overall pick. You traded away Sauce Gardner to get that pick.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you.

[Alan]

You just don't throw it away. It's 16. It's in the middle of the first round.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan]

I. I cannot. You get. If that is your general philosophy as a general manager, you should not be allowed back in the league. Oh, it's a sick art. So what? I'll take a quarterback. Oh, if it doesn't work, we'll just. So what? We could do all these other picks.

[Don Hahn]

You know what?

[Alan]

I can't believe that was said on national television. Can't believe it.

[Don Hahn]

I walked out on your list, but I'm giving you a standing ovation now for this moment. Holy canoly, that you said everything I tried to say, but you said it way more eloquent. Eloquently, even. I couldn't say that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was really struggled, that one Timothy Shallow.

[Don Hahn]

But I got a little emotional because of way Don just was able to express my thoughts. And that's exactly it. How. How can you just say, you know, hey, if it doesn't work out, just pick another one next year? No, because you know why you won't be here to pick another one next year if the team stinks again and a quarterback that you drafted sucks or isn't ready. Like the. The fact the 49ers were able to survive Trey Lance at the number three overall pick for a guy that didn't play major college and didn't play a lot. But they saw some things in him that maybe there was potential and there was a lot of this Josh Allen stuff because of the level he played.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And where'd they get him?

[Don Hahn]

Sounds like fourth team now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh. But and keep in mind where the. Where the 49ers took their shot at finding another one. A little. A little shot in the dark. That worked out. It was the last pick of the draft. That's where you could do it.

[Don Hahn]

But take a swing. But that ended up saving that draft for them for sure. Now, again, but a franchise like that with a coach like that can get away with it. You can't. If you're the jets and you're Darren Muji, this offseason is too important for him. He has got to show you progress because we already are wondering about the head coach. I need to know that the. That the general manager knows what the hell he's doing and that this offseason set them on the right course. And maybe it's still going to be a minute, but at least you can go, no, you know what? They got some. They got some players. They got some players. So this is. This is heading the right direction. He didn't take a risk on some guy. He didn't feel forced. I got to take a quarterback because you got to. No, no. Not in a draft that isn't a quarterback. Draft. Can't do it. Not a guy that has zero experience. You can't do it.

[Alan]

Now, if I. But maybe if Muji loves him and his job is on the line. I've said this a million times. And you want to take the chance on him, Fine. And if you believe you can shut your owner up and say, this kid's not playing and I'm going to bring somebody in that's going to get their head beat in for 17 games. And no matter what happens, no matter what's written about, no matter who opens shows with, this kid's not playing, he's just going to watch. He's going to learn. But still, what's the possibility of him being in love with a kid that's played 15 games of college football? And who is he learning from?

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Alan]

I go down and get that. I get two. Fine. Two is good. Two is played. But if two suffers a concussion a week, one guess what, he's not helping you.

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Alan]

And that could very well happen.

[Don Hahn]

That's why you got to have two vets. Again, this is how they screwed up. Zach Wilson. They brought in Zach Wilson. He was 5 foot nothing, 105. And then they were like, oh, we don't really need anybody good in the. In the quarterback room. We got him and how do you do? And then they went deeper into the season before they finally were like, we probably got to bring in a good quarterback. We got to bring in somebody that's actually played the position and is capable. It took them weeks to do that. You don't put a young player in that kind of a scenario. You just can't do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it doesn't make sense. You cannot. You cannot. On an organization like the jets. On this kind of organization, you cannot assume we can bring someone in and show them something.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, God, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't currently know if the guy who's going to start for you next year is on the roster. We don't know. It would be one thing, you know. And Alan, I know you were sickened by the prospect of the names that became available.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Kyler Murray, Geno, and. Who was the other one?

[Don Hahn]

It was Geno, Kyler and Tua.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Tua. Now, I know none of those give you any movement. I would even say. I know this sounds crazy, going the full circle of it, I'd say if you knew Gino was playing for you, there's at least a professional quarterback that you could watch, play the game and could talk to.

[Alan]

He's been around.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's been around. He improved as a player throughout his career. He's. He's still a serviceable player, I guess, but. But you're not learning from Tua or Kyler Murray.

[Don Hahn]

No, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You could learn from Geno for sure. Guys, I could see Geno going on to being a quarterback coach after this. Who knows?

[Don Hahn]

But like, I guess so. It'd be a weird kind of full circle with Geno, but I. Of all the ones, he's the one. I wouldn't hate that. Although he does scare me with the fact that anytime he sees a rush, he just goes, oh, my God. And throws the ball on the floor. But it's. It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But they don't even have that. They don't have anyone.

[Don Hahn]

There aren't. There's so many. There's so few options that I guess you'd have to take the lesser of all evils and give me somebody. At least I know I could just play every week and let him run for his life and, you know, we'll figure it out. And then you have Justin Fields as your as your. As your quarterback. Two, that you might use as a wildcat guy, which would be a smart thing to do, because just paying them, might as well use them in different ways without having to make him a starter. And then whoever it is that you're going to draft, he's got to be the third guy that just put. You know, he's in street clothes most of the time, and you're just going to try to teach him stuff for the year. I. I just don't. What. In what world do you use a 16th pick for a quarterback that you know deep down we can't play this kid right away.

[Alan]

Can't play.

[Don Hahn]

Can't.

[Alan]

And. And then you're talking about just getting a quarterback he can learn from. It's not even on the. It's not even on the table of winning games.

[Don Hahn]

No, no.

[Alan]

It's not even on the table to winning games.

[Don Hahn]

Let's not get crazy about winning games.

[Alan]

Difficult schedule. And the stupid thing about all this, because you have an impatient owner who claims to be patient, is that you'll go out there and just say, all right, listen, it's a. It's a year to learn. It's a year to grow. It's a year to evaluate. You go out there and you go 3 and 14, and everybody gets fired.

[Don Hahn]

Mm.

[Alan]

So that's the pressure more than anything else.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan]

The pressure of we get to November, and Muji and Glenn's jobs are on the line, and now you're forced to make decisions to save your job.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan]

And. And that's the X factor with Woody. He could talk all he wants about being patient and all that. Let's get to November when the team's, you know, one in eight, and now it's all, we got to play the kid. We got to do this because now your job's on the line, which is what Brian Dable, you know, faced midway through this season. So if you just had an owner is like, listen, I believe in all of you. Just go out there, do the best job you can. Let's develop a quarterback, and then we'll see you in 27. But when did the jets ever do that? The patience all of a sudden turns around into panic every time.

[Don Hahn]

Every time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

1-800-919-3776. Let's go to Moose in Jamaica to talk a little Jets. What's up, Moose?

[Alan]

Moose.

[Caller]

What's going on, fellas? Good evening.

[Don Hahn]

How are we?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good, buddy.

[Alan]

Good.

[Caller]

So, yeah, Don just said it. The whole thing. It's. The jets would be lucky if all the draft pickets, regardless of the quarterback, if they add the current ones or get new ones, and the free agent signs they make with the schedule, they'll be lucky to win if all goes right. At most they win six games because of the schedule. So that being said, if I was the jets, because I'm only looking to win three to four games and maybe take a quarterback in day two or day three, the quarterback I go get to just save face and have confident quarterback play is Mac Jones. And look for Drew Allen Day 2 or Day 3 if he plays next season due to injury or whatever the case may be and shows that he doesn't have it. You draft a high quarterback with your bad record, you're in the top three, you get the can't miss Arch Manning, whoever comes out, that's, that's a bona fide prospect. And that's all I have to say about that.

[Don Hahn]

You know what, Moose? That's a hell of a call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There you go.

[Don Hahn]

Look at. Hell of a. Like, it's not that hard. It's not that hard. That's a simple thing to do. There are going to be older quarterbacks who, you know, were in college that had one time or another, had that the next one kind of feel to them. It never really, you know, I think, what, nuss Meyers and the other one, you know, they're there. They don't. They're not going to move the needle. They're not going to move anything. You want Drew Aller, but you get, you get somebody just so you can have somebody. But you don't use a 16th pick to do it.

[Alan]

No, 16 is kind of. When did all of a sudden, Peter, 16 become like a throwaway?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, hell, 16 is too valuable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I'll say this. If you're drafting at 16, you had a mushy middle season, right? It wasn't a great season, it wasn't a horrible season, but you're still paying attention to your first round pick. It's. It's 16. This isn't, this isn't a garbage pick.

[Caller]

Oh, great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's go back to the phones. Let's go to Larry in West Orange. Hey, Larry.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, I. Listen, this is crazy. The jets have like four picks in the top 50 next year. They can get three or four starters out of that. Not like they're a quarterback away from going to the Super Bowl. Like, why would you take Simpson at 16? It just, it makes no sense. I'd rather take Carson Beck in the third or fourth round.

[Don Hahn]

Right? It's Just crazy again that that's all I've been trying to say. And this is this. Look, I want to keep saying it over and over again. This is not about Mel. What Mel does is he tells you each, as each pick goes by in his mocks, who's the next player. That makes sense here when it comes to position and all that stuff. And when you come to jets, you think quarterback. So that's when he says, well, the next best quarterback to take would be this guy and two would be too high. So this is the next chance to get him. So this is why you do it. So it's not about Mel. This is about just the reasoning that we all as jets fans are looking at it and shaking our heads and shrags who I love like for saying, oh yeah, if you get it wrong, just do it again next year. That doesn't work like that anymore in the NFL.

[Alan]

You can't believe it.

[Don Hahn]

Wrong.

[Alan]

I really hope that was taken out of context or something.

[Don Hahn]

I'd love to get straight on. I wanted. It's just because that feels too flippant maybe. No big deal. No, it is a big deal. Get the best talent and that 16, by the way, could have some value to somebody else. That can get you more draft capital. Is it possible you don't feel like there's a player there for you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is it possible he's kind of goofing? No, there is laughter.

[Don Hahn]

He, he sounded like he. No, because Greeny was, you know, was face palming like we all do this time of year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you think he meant it?

[Don Hahn]

I think he was trying to suggest that, you know, there'll be more quarterbacks next year. So you can always, you know, if you don't get it right there, you can, but if you don't get it right there, that's a first round pick like that, like that's a first round contract, right?

[Alan]

That was.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not playing around like that.

[Alan]

And that wasn't gifted to you by the league because they felt sorry for you.

[Don Hahn]

Gave up a good. Yes, yes. Thank you for like I thought I was losing my. I thought I was going crazy. I was telling Anthony, I'm like, I can't believe what I'm reading here. And I thought, is this just me though? Am I like completely over emotional now thinking that everything the jets are going to do is just going to turn the dust? But I'm glad you guys see what I'm saying, that this doesn't make sense. And I know you need a quarterback, but it doesn't mean you draft one this year in a draft that isn't a good draft. Like if I told you like, Peter, I'm going to bring you into a room. You're looking for a wife. Now these women, not so great, you know, can't really, you know, they're not really loyal. You know, they've got some spotty past to them. Some are like a little immature. But you can pick one or you can wait and you know, I can take you somewhere else.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just give me that one.

[Don Hahn]

Like, are you gonna rush into, into this, you know, what is that show? The. There's a Show on Like TLC that does this, right? The 90 Day Fiance thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, like I'll just take the one over there. The smoking the weed, hiding in the trash can with chocolate on her face. Give me that one.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I need what I gotta do. I need one.

[Don Hahn]

I might as well just do this. Like, come on.

[Alan]

And this comes, this comes from experience. Okay, go ahead. It's the mildly attractive social studies teacher. Oh, in an all boys high school.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Three is. Three becomes an eight.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan]

And now that. And that's. And that's who you're drafting to try to win you a Super Bowl?

[Don Hahn]

It's pretty good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Well, listen, I got news for you. The jets are three. So no one's ever confused him with an eight, no matter how drunk your goggles were.

[Don Hahn]

Well, we're talking about. You're reversing the analogy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, I. No, no, I know exactly what I'm doing. I mean I am reversing the analogy to say the jets are three. They might be seeing ones and going, you know what? That might be a five. Pretty good for me. I'm a friggin three. I mean that, that's what I'm saying. They've lived their whole life is threes. You'd have. They'd have to pray to be drunk one night and forget that there are three.

[Don Hahn]

You would think a three would know that what a three looks like then.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That' exactly right. They know very well. They just need a mirror.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

For listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Jacob]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Look at you, Jacob. Get it done. Appreciate that. Just talking about Run DMC this morning on the Ebro. Laura Rosenberg.

[Don Hahn]

This was a great video. It was funny.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't remember that. You talk too much vehicle video.

[Don Hahn]

Wasn't it? Like they kept like they pick up the phone, they would say that it was like all kinds of sounds like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A very 80s joke.

[Don Hahn]

They're just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You talk too much.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it's very goofy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I remember videos of the early man, the mid-80s.

[Don Hahn]

Videos are something just Chef's kiss.

[Alan]

I had an interesting moment in the press room last night in Edmonton. Oh, individual came up to me and his name escapes me. I'm sorry. It's been crazy. So I apologize. If he's listening, I should remember your name. Major listener to this show. Oh, major listener to the K show. Born and raised in Edmonton, Alberta. Fell in love with the show because he's a big hip hop guy and loved Peter and listened to his show on hot. And that turned him on DSPN radio.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about Turn Me On Dead man? Wait, and he's from. He's from Alberta.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

He's from edmo. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Look at that. Well, you're welcome.

[Don Hahn]

Look at that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sounds like a great guy. Was he a great guy?

[Alan]

And I Met it. He was a great guy. I met a guy in Calgary. Same thing. Big Yankee fan, lived in Calgary his whole life. Listened to the show, ran into a lot of devil fans in Calgary and Edmonton that were born and raised in Alberta but just became devil fans.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Interesting.

[Alan]

Because of the video games or whatever. It just. It's. It just shows you how what a global village we have that you could be like, so removed from New York, but because we have the technology to watch and listen to whatever we want that, hey, I don't have to root for the flames of the Oilers.

[Caller]

I'll root for whoever I want.

[Alan]

I can listen to whatever market I want to listen to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, Don, you're not. You're not feeling sick again, are you?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. You hearing it?

[Alan]

I guess.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Your voice is sounding funky.

[Alan]

It is amazing. I feel much better when all the whole crew in Calgary and Edmonton, I think it was because of the. The altitude. We all just got stuffed up. I didn't bring it up during the show yesterday because I wasn't sure what the heck it was, but in the roof of Roger's place in Edmonton, like, it looked like smoke coming out of the roof, like, different areas. And I found out that it was just. It was like a misting just to kind of moisten the air up a little bit. Really dry up there.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's interesting.

[Alan]

I thought, you know, were they testing some parabolics or. Or some. Not parabolics something for the show and. No, it was just. They're misting the air because it's so dry. So we were all. I mean, I had a cold earlier and then I felt great. Didn't bring anything with me, and then I just got congested. But I feel a lot better today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the best my voice. This is the best my voice has sounded. I finally feel like mostly the Saline has worked. Dr. Max, April recommended the extra strength saline spray mixed with a steroid nasal nasanax or something. And that combo has gotten me mostly back. But there's still something going on, man. So shout out to everyone who's been dealing with some sort of winter something for the last month. Let's keep talking to the people for the Yo Yo Reindeer games that are a mock draft. Allen, people are interested in this convo.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

All right, here we go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's Adam in the car, wants to weigh in. Adam, what's up?

[Caller]

Hey, guys.

[Don Hahn]

What's going on?

[Caller]

Yeah, so I don't know if the other Cole talk about jets going 6 and 10. I think that would be disastrous. For the jets, because next year is about the quarterback. If they win six games, that could push them out of getting Arch and Dante. So they got to use these picks. The defense offered up no resistance last year whatsoever. They got to find playmakers for defense and find a wide receiver, too.

[Don Hahn]

I completely agree. You have to get. Yeah, I would. I'd rather him get a veteran wide receiver. And if A.J. brown is, his time is up in Philly. Right. You got to get somebody to, to balance it out with Garrett, but you also still need to get somebody to throw it to him. So I don't know any, any veteran wide receiver is going to want to come here, but I'm with you. Like, there's so many holes and so many things that you need to do to improve this team that every single pick that you have right now is so valuable that you can't just like, hey, take a swing at this guy. You cannot do that. And I would also argue that the picks are so valuable that if you can get somebody that is a veteran player that can be a full force multiplier, that can be somebody that in that locker room, suddenly things change, then you got to use picks to get them. That's also why you have these picks.

[Alan]

Well, but here's the question. I don't think they're winning six games. They're going to have the toughest schedule in the NFL. We have no idea who the quarterback is.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan]

But if they wind up winning two, three games, are they bringing everybody back?

[Don Hahn]

That's the weird. Right? Isn't that, that, isn't that like. That's the weird conversation we have every year here? And I'm almost so sick and tired of this conversation because whether it's the jets of the Giants, it seems to be the only thing we ever do well. They can't damn if they win because they won't be able to get a top five pick and get what they need. But damn that they don't because they're going to fire everybody and now we have to start all over again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, it's the best place to be.

[Don Hahn]

It's the worst place to be. But I get what you're saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

It's just. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What about. Does Malik Willis give you any movement?

[Don Hahn]

That's a name that I would definitely consider. Although some people think that taking him out of that offense and taking him away from there and shining a light back on him, you'd say, see, it's another guy that you know is probably better off as a backup. I don't Know, I thought he. Even though they didn't win, but that's not all his fault. I thought there were moments where he sizzled a little bit when he was in for Jordan. Love your thoughts, Don.

[Alan]

He sounded better than the list that Alan gave you before to a Kyler Murray.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, because you know why?

[Alan]

Because you don't know Smith.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because you don't know what the ceiling is. At least, at least you could be curious about Malik Willis's ceiling.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, because there, you know, he, it's not like this guy was a bum when he was drafted. He just, he just was drafted into a bum situation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bum situation in Tennessee.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He started three games there in 2022. Then he got into games three times in 2023, didn't start any, didn't do through the ball five times. Then in 2024 he comes in for Jordan Love goes two and oh, in those games, three touchdowns, no picks. And then in 2025 plays in four games, starts one loses that game. But over those several games in which he played 422 yards, three touchdowns, no picks for the Packers.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, this wasn't a first round pick. Right. This wasn't somebody that was coming into the NFL. But, but he had something come out of college that made you interested in him. And I do think he's got the combination of the ability to throw and run and now that he's been in the league again, it's one of these guys that probably just needed more time. But he's got a lot of physical tools. That is interesting. He's not very big and that's part of the problem. But that's. I would rather do something like that short term. Same thing as Fields. Really. It's very similar to Fields but like that's just makes more sense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Third round. It was a third round pick in 2022.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, yeah. Like give me that version.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To me it's. What does it cost you though? Right? Like are you.

[Don Hahn]

Because he's a free agent.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. No, so. So. But contract wise.

[Don Hahn]

Well, who's going to give him 20 million?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I think he's getting 20 million.

[Don Hahn]

20. Who's giving him 20?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean Justin Fields just got 20.

[Don Hahn]

I know Malik Willis at least has.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Some momentum behind him.

[Don Hahn]

Well, no, no, Justin fields just got 20 and now the league goes. Yeah, we shouldn't do that. Like how, Who. Like think about the teams that needs starting quarterbacks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, Miami's report. Miami's reportedly interested in Malik Willis. Will they make that move? We shall see. And what would it be? I'LL make a pick though, Don. Right now, I bet you if Justin Fields got 20. I see what Allen's argument is that teams will say we won't do that. I bet they'll see more of him because I think the Green Bay allure tricks people because of course he played better there because they're a better run franchise. I bet I could see him getting 22, $23 million. 100% because I just played well in a big spot. That was a very high profile game against the Bears that he got a lot of spotlight in and he played well, he looked good. I could see it.

[Don Hahn]

They've just got like the jets have this Ben Johnson, you know, offense going on with a quarterback that can't throw. You can't do that. You got to be an accurate thrower.

[Alan]

Right. So let me get this straight because if we're going to put this and add the paper for this. Oh, seeking experienced quarterback that can bridge the gap to our young quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

Well, we don't have that.

[Alan]

Help educate a possible draft picket quarterback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maybe this year, maybe next year. We're not sure.

[Alan]

But not too good to win too many games and screw up our draft.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right. That's the. You just wrote the ad.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, oh, I know. Who would, who would tear off the little phone number thing and walk out of the supermarket.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like, it's almost like, it's almost like seeking butter face. You know, some people be happy with.

[Don Hahn]

You, but others might bear with me because I know, you know, the jets have not fared well with 40 plus year old quarterbacks recently.

[Alan]

Oh, I know what you're gonna say.

[Don Hahn]

I'm just saying say it. Is there a way say that you could. There's two 40 plus year old quarterbacks that you could. Oh, two make a phone call to one. One is, you know, one's not gonna move the needle. One might make people just go, what the hell are they doing? You know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, Joey Flacco, your favorite Joey Flacco.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, yeah. That's the safe one. That's the easy one. Say the other name the other one might take more than just a phone case.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gotta fly.

[Don Hahn]

One might take maybe Woody Johnson to send a jet. Oh yeah, and say, jump in the jet. We're gonna fly you back to New York.

[Alan]

I love Bobby.

[Don Hahn]

We want to sit down with you. Say his name. Take these flowers while you, while you're at it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And then here's our head coach. We have a pillow down on the floor because he's about to get down on his knees.

[Alan]

Oh, excuse me.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, my.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't know we were going there.

[Don Hahn]

With his hands folded.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Clown show. Oh, clown show. Clown show.

[Don Hahn]

To. To. To make this presentation that begins with a bit of an apology.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You might have misunderstood last year when we said we didn't want you, we meant right now. We didn't want you then. Things have changed. We've changed. We changed for the better. We think. We think we can make it work this time. This time we really mean it. What do you say, Aaron?

[Alan]

Oh, yeah, I was gonna say. You're asking the jets to send a U up text to Aaron Rodgers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Hey, big head.

[Alan]

I love Bobby.

[Don Hahn]

I listen. Desperate times call for desperate measures. And if one.

[Alan]

Entertain me, clowns. You know what? If he wants to keep playing field, just entertain me often.

[Don Hahn]

Think about it. If he. If I can't believe I'm doing this. If he still wants to play, he doesn't want to retire. 31 other teams are like, now we're good. There's that one team that's like, you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, for the record, they would have been better if they had him last year. I will say that.

[Don Hahn]

Who says no? Let's be honest.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I listen. I do it. If I'm the Jets, Aaron Rodgers, Rogers.

[Alan]

Well, no.

[Don Hahn]

Does Roger say, I'd rather retire than put that jersey back on? Or does he say, oh, my God, I love this. I will own this franchise now. They will let me do anything I want because they're crawling back to me. This is exact. This feeds his ego. It's everything.

[Alan]

I'd love to see it, but I think the text thread basically would be, you up. I'm good.

[Don Hahn]

You just have three dots just. Just for a minute, and then all.

[Alan]

Of a sudden there for it, disappear. I'm good.

[Don Hahn]

See, that's all I got.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I like, I don't think you were going there. No, no.

[Don Hahn]

First of all, all performative, everybody. Don't post this. Don't share that. This is all performative. But it's. It's. What else? Like, think about it. This is what you got right now. This is the dregs that you're dealing with of options that you have. And that doesn't mean you take a guy with 17 games of experience in college with the 16 pick and just go, maybe this one will work. You can't do that. Can't.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

I'd rather crawl back to Aaron Rodgers than take a quarterback at 16 who I know can't play. I can't play.

[Alan]

No, it's a great idea and I'd love to see it. The reason it wouldn't happen is Rogers would not.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he changed his number.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I bet you it won't happen. And if I were to bet on it, I would do it on the door.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, of course you would.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

1990 Chub Rock Back above the Scene and the Bean the pocket. Okay. 100-919-3776 I love chub Rock, right? Oh yeah. Big Chub Rock fan. Still does radio. He's around. Oh yeah, yeah, Chub Rock does radio. I forget where, but he's around. He's on the scene somewhere.

[Don Hahn]

Nice. No, I was a big fan. He just, it just, it didn't really, it didn't really stay like he.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I mean, listen, some people, some people only have a moment in time.

[Don Hahn]

But he was very, very big at the moment. He's big, right? Like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I don't. I think, I think you're just doing that because he's.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think that's a. It's Heavy D and Chub Rock.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's. You're gonna tell. But he doesn't have the same sound.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nope, not even close. Not really, because Heavy D was really famous for the more R and B hip hop, whereas Chub Rock was a straight ahead rapper. He had popular songs, Don. It's unfortunate when he did, he just. He just threw fat guys together.

[Don Hahn]

Look at him, patting me on the head and telling me to go on my way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, no, it's just.

[Don Hahn]

That's what you did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, Petey.

[Jacob]

Petey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Way to use a word that was more than four letters. I will say that. Speaking of which, when Alan called me a moron earlier, I will say this, Don. When we were in Vermont, Natalie and I played some. We had a fire going, sitting in the snow, right before my month long sickness came and hit me. And we were enjoying ourselves and we played a game of Scrabble. And the first game of Scrabble we played, if I were to take a picture of the board, I think I would be ostracized from the world of communication as we know it. I was so bad. I was like three points per word. It was of.

[Don Hahn]

You don't.

[Alan]

The what?

[Don Hahn]

Brutal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Door. No, I mean, it was so bad. It was.

[Don Hahn]

It took all about building words to get as many of those triple word, double word score things.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, thank you. I understand the point of the game. You know what, Don? Even as I'm mocking myself, it's like. It's like I'm not saying I'm stupid enough. He has to jump in and go, no, stupid. Do you even know how the game is played?

[Alan]

This is an honest assessment of the relationship that we have.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

With each other.

[Don Hahn]

What's that?

[Alan]

Is that there are jokes and things we do for fun, for radio.

[Don Hahn]

For fun.

[Alan]

Alan. Alan, honestly does not respect your knowledge at all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. Not even knowledge. Intelligence.

[Alan]

Intelligence.

[Don Hahn]

Not knowledge.

[Alan]

He's got great knowledge.

[Don Hahn]

He doesn't have great intelligence.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He doesn't even think that I knew when I was playing the game what the point of the game was. I didn't.

[Don Hahn]

If you were doing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no, no.

[Alan]

You're.

[Peter Rosenberg]

See, this is the thing you're saying. I'm so dumb I couldn't even read the box. I'm saying I knew how to play. My vocabulary was just so pathetically bad, I couldn't do anything. You're saying, hey, moron, you know, you got to have long letters and hit the double and triple word scores and letter scores to gain some points.

[Don Hahn]

Right, I knew that part. Giving you the. I was giving you the. That guy. Obvious response. Right? Oh, you know how it's supposed to play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just couldn't do it. Listen, we got better as it went on. We got better as it went on by the third. And then Natalie started killing me, which was crazy because Natalie's vocabulary is not even close to better than mine. And no, nothing. And she ran circles around me in the second and third game she started. She's a very good board game player. So once she started figuring out the way to play the game, she started torturing me.

[Alan]

But then when Maya started winning, there was concern.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the problem. Because the only word she has so far did.

[Don Hahn]

But wait a minute, wait a minute. She has dad. Da.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, she doesn't call me dad. Dad. Can you say mama? That's the thing. I don't consider her to like have it. You know, she. And then, you know, with her, with her teeth right now, you know what she looks like.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, no. My Kiki, my Maya kitchen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

She got the top two front teeth coming in. They got a nice little gap, little gap between them and they're like she.

[Don Hahn]

Can spit the terbacky, she can spit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Her terbacci right through it. And then off to the side, I got my little fanger up here in case I got to cut some meat. And then do you guys remember this? I may, unless there's something wrong with Maya. But like it seems like at least with her baby teeth, these like these two top ones that are coming in, you mostly see them when like I'm changing her and I'm kind of like she's laying down. So I'm looking up at her mouth. You can kind of see the teeth more from that angle and it's almost like they're like on top of the gum, you know what I'm saying? They haven't fully cut down.

[Don Hahn]

You see gum.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, you see the tooth, but there's gum behind the tooth. So she really looks like. I literally just crack up looking at her when she smiles. I can't take it. It's so funny. Alright, let's try to get a few more people in before we go to enn. Every phone line jammed up. We haven't talked at all. Knicks Nets have a big game tonight. Dan's been on hold and I would assume a Sarahville. Hey, Dan, how are you?

[Don Hahn]

Hey, guys.

[Caller]

What's going on, fellas? Huge fan of the show, Alan. This one's for you, man. Not only is your coverage just always on point, but you look fly doing it, man. So I, I felt Mike Brown was really pushing a lot of the right buttons when the season started and now it feels like a 1-800-Tibs kind of panic mode. So at what point do you think that this really starts to get too far out of hand? And also two parter, who is that third team involved that you said in the past might need to get involved to make the honest thing happen. Curious to know your thoughts. Thanks for the time, guys.

[Don Hahn]

You got it. First and foremost, that time has passed. So, you know, this is, I mean, I said that Monday should have been a must win and they, they came out with no, no urgency, no effort, no nothing. I thought Friday's effort, I mean Saturday's effort against the Suns looked a little more urgent. But you know that that game Monday was alarming because it of the way they started that game with no physicality. That's why tonight, like, nothing matters other than what does that first quarter look like? How do they come out of this thing and do they just take out their frustrations on, on the opponent or do they let the nets come in and just, you know, be comfortable, put up some shots, get into a rhythm and somebody that shouldn't beat them beats them. And if that happens again, this is already alarming. This is not a. When do we get to a point? No, no, we're at that point. But as people keep wanting, because we all do this in every sport, when a team starts to struggle, we immediately say, rip up the roster, make trades, change everything, fire people. And you have to understand that that is not the case here. The case here is to grab some people by the throat and get them to understand that you're not getting help and you're not getting out of this, other than you getting your head out of your ass and playing the way you know you can play. Because we've already seen it this season.

[Alan]

Let me run this by you. Sheldon Keefe brought this up when the Devils are really struggling. He's like, it's not enough to just win. We got to look good doing it. That's more important, how it looks. Yeah, we'll take a win. But like, running into a lucky win is not going to turn this around. We need to play well. So I'll ask you if they look ugly, bad and just happen to win by two points. You're. You're ticked off. Right? Look good?

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan]

Yeah, we'll take the win because the wins are Important, but it's more important to look great. Well, you have really going to turn it around.

[Don Hahn]

And I understand what you're saying, because there are some wins that you can have that are ugly wins and you'll take it. And they've had those this season. And you're. You're overcoming some of your problems because you're just so. Like they, they were winning some games. They had that road trip I was on where they beat New Orleans and they beat the Hawks and they beat them and they were up by 19 on the Spurs. They weren't playing great defense, but they were getting away with it because their offense was just so good. And all we kept saying was, all right, they're winning. That's good because you gotta. You. You can win and say, yeah, we still have to fix things, but it's better to win and say we have to fix things and lose and say we have to fix things. But we all said if it doesn't get fixed, it's going to catch up. And now it's caught up because the offense has had gone through, like they've really gone through. This is. I think they're averaging like 108 points a game now in January, which is for them, they were averaging 125 points a game. So this is showing you that when the offense went in the tank, the defense now gets exposed. So yes, it does matter what it looks like. It has to look like a team that is ravenous on defense and has something to prove, chip on their shoulder. The Knicks have to start realizing that with all the glory they were getting through this middle part of the season, about 20 games in, when it looked like, okay, this team looks like they could be special. Then they win the NBA cup and they're sort of celebrated by the NBA because the NBA wants to celebrate the Cup. Then you have to understand something that they, like Deuce McBride, feels like maybe they got a little soft. Maybe they are too comfortable. The Knicks are always best when they play with a chip on their shoulder, when they have something to prove, when people are disrespecting them. Guess where you are right now. You're in that place right now. No one thinks you're good anymore. No one thinks you're a contender anymore. No one believes in you anymore. So let's see how they handle adversity and let's see if they maybe can put a chip back on their shoulder with something to prove. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the.

[Don Hahn]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.