Hour 3: Judge & Bad Guy Peter

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: Judge & Bad Guy Peter

Podcast Information:

• Title: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg
• Host/Author: ESPN New York, Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
• Episode: Hour 3: Judge & Bad Guy Peter
• Release Date: March 4, 2025

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1. Introduction

In this episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast, hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve deep into the latest sports controversies surrounding the New York Jets, Aaron Rodgers' move to the New York Giants, and Aaron Judge's comments on the Yankees' beard policy. Additionally, they touch upon NBA dynamics involving the New York Knicks and Donovan Mitchell. The discussion is vibrant, opinionated, and rich with insightful analysis.

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2. NFL Segment: New York Jets’ Offseason and Quarterback Quandary

[01:26] Don Legraek: Chimes in about the Jets' offseason, emphasizing the team's current lack of immediate pressure to win, allowing the new regime to make thoughtful quarterback selections without the urgency.

[02:25] Peter Rosenberg: Agrees, highlighting the historical trend where Jets coaches have performed well in their first year without excessive pressure. He suggests Tyrod Taylor could be the starting quarterback for the Jets.

Notable Quote:

Peter Rosenberg [02:52]: "I think Tyrod Taylor could very well be the opening day quarterback for the New York Jets."

[02:55] Peter Rosenberg: Raises concerns about the Jets potentially wasting talented players by not committing to a quarterback strategy, which could lead to issues with key players like Garrett Wilson and the defense's longevity.

[03:46] Don Hahn: Contrasts the current discourse with previous sentiments, noting that while talent has been historically abundant on the team, recent decisions have led to a perceived drop in defensive solidity.

[04:06] Alan Hahn: Details the defensive changes, citing losses like Al Woods and questionable draft picks like Javon Kinlaw, which have created holes in the Jets’ defense.

[05:03] Peter Rosenberg: Attributes the defense's decline to coaching instability, particularly pointing fingers at Albrook's sudden role as head coach, which disrupted player performance.

Notable Quote:

Peter Rosenberg [05:28]: "I think there's too much talent there, guys, to just decide, you know, we're going to take a knee on this year and kind of figure it out."

3. Aaron Rodgers’ Move to the New York Giants

[06:22] Alan Hahn: Shifts focus to the NFL's Aaron Rodgers, expressing skepticism about the Giants signing him without jeopardizing team harmony.

Caller [06:37]: Voices concerns that Aaron Rodgers may impose his playing style and preferences, potentially sidelining emerging talents like Devonta Adams and Malik Neighbors.

[07:37] Peter Rosenberg: Counters by arguing that Rodgers won’t dictate policies. Instead, any addition of high-caliber players like Adams would aim to strengthen the team rather than create internal conflicts.

Notable Quote:

Peter Rosenberg [08:25]: "If you think Aaron Rodgers is going to come in here and dictate policy... I can't worry about Malik Neighbors because the whole idea is to be a good team."

[09:03] Alan Hahn: Reflects on Rodgers' tenure with the Jets, suggesting that initial camaraderie with management and players may have deteriorated due to performance issues and frustration within the organization.

[12:39] Alan Hahn: Criticizes the Jets’ management for losing patience with Rodgers, attributing the downfall to Rodgers' injuries and inability to sustain performance, ultimately straining relationships within the team.

[14:03] Alan Hahn: Wraps up the discussion on Rodgers by pointing out that the Jets’ transparent difficulties with him highlight underlying organizational issues.

4. MLB Segment: Aaron Judge and Yankees’ Beard Policy

[15:03] Alan Hahn: Shifts to baseball, discussing Aaron Judge’s comments on the Yankees' beard policy change. He praises Judge for supporting the policy and subtly hinting at future team developments.

Notable Quote:

Alan Hahn [15:44]: "This summer is about Soto versus Judge, and not necessarily a personal rivalry... There's a lot of pressure on Soto with that big contract to make the Mets a winner... and the Yankees better win."

[17:27] Don Hahn: Reflects on Judge’s loyalty, expressing hope that the Yankees retain him as a team leader who values commitment over mere financial incentives.

[19:20] Alan Hahn: Presents a hypothetical scenario where Judge maintains a strong relationship with teammates like Juan Soto, emphasizing mutual respect and organizational commitment.

[21:30] Don Hahn: Questions whether Judge truly believes his public statements about wanting team loyalty or if it’s a strategic narrative shaped by the Yankees’ organizational culture.

[24:03] Don Hahn: Critiques the Yankees' unique mentality of valuing players who are intrinsically motivated to be part of the team, suggesting that this approach may not align with modern sports dynamics.

Notable Quote:

Don Hahn [24:56]: "I think that mentality is not a 2025 realistic mentality... We gotta lessen our Aarons here."

5. NBA Segment: New York Knicks and Donovan Mitchell

[33:32] Don Legraek: Brings up comments from Peter Rosenberg about the Knicks lacking a superstar, specifically criticizing the absence of facilitators like Donovan Mitchell.

[34:03] Don Hahn: Defends the Knicks' strategy, emphasizing the need for reality over mere popularity, and underscores the importance of team success over individual stardom.

Notable Quote:

Don Hahn [34:11]: "We have to think long term... You have a minor league system where you can cultivate that talent."

[35:28] Alan Hahn: Criticizes the Knicks' inability to attract star players, drawing parallels to historical challenges faced by other franchises like the Cleveland Cavaliers during LeBron James’ era.

[36:01] Peter Rosenberg: Highlights the contrasting dynamics of big-market teams like the Yankees versus smaller markets, advocating for pride in building competitive teams without relying solely on marquee names.

[38:27] Peter Rosenberg: Emphasizes the importance of team performance over market-driven popularity, arguing that true success should stem from collective effort rather than individual star power.

6. Musical Interlude and Personal Reflections

As the episode progresses, the hosts engage in a lighthearted discussion about music preferences, showcasing their diverse tastes and personal anecdotes. This segment provides a break from the intense sports analysis, illustrating the camaraderie and varied interests of the hosts.

Notable Quote:

Don Hahn [45:46]: "I just was very big on a backwards, backwards red baseball. So you had many photos, Many, many photos of it. And then it was like, oh, what's up, Fred Durst? And I was like, all right, well."

7. Conclusion

Wrapping up the episode, Alan Hahn summarizes the main discussions, reaffirming the need to prioritize team cohesion and strategic planning over superficial metrics like individual popularity or market size. The hosts encourage listeners to stay engaged for more in-depth analyses in future episodes.

Closing Quote:

Alan Hahn [50:21]: "Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good."

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Key Takeaways:

• New York Jets: The team is currently in a rebuilding phase with strategic patience regarding quarterback decisions, though concerns remain about defensive weaknesses and overall talent utilization.
• Aaron Rodgers & Giants: Rodgers' integration into the Giants is scrutinized, with debates on his potential influence on team dynamics and the preservation of emerging talents.
• Aaron Judge & Yankees: Judge's stance on the Yankees' beard policy reflects deeper team culture dynamics, balancing personal commitment against organizational expectations.
• New York Knicks: The importance of building a successful team transcends market size, emphasizing strategic talent development over star acquisitions.

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This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of current sports narratives, enriched by the hosts' candid opinions and thoughtful debate, making it a valuable listen for any sports enthusiast.

Transcript

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. Hi, the big 5 o'clock hour with Don Leggraeck and Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Hahn. 800 nowin 93776. We got lots of calls to get you. Let's continue with the football calls here momentarily but do want to get into at some point in a few minutes. Aaron Judge had a little comment that of course we take out of context, but you can read in between the lines of what he's saying. I think it's setting up for something this summer that we're going to be talking about for a while, so stay tuned for that. But guys, we do have a lot of football calls, so let's get to those and what we have next is Moose in Jamaica. Hey Moose, fellas, what's up?

[Don Legraek]

Chilling. So yeah, the whole thing about the jets, their off season and the quarterback situation, I don't know if you mentioned this exclusively, but probably the, the most.

[Alan Hahn]

Important.

[Don Legraek]

Concept is that the new regime doesn't have the immediate pressure to win now. So arbitrary to the quarterback selection they make considering who's available. I mean they can trade for Milton, the backup quarterback for the packers and start him temporarily draft the quarterback first, second, third, route, whatever. Most important for the jets is to continue the success in the draft with the new regime and even more so just, just go about it and progressively show competence that they have the right coach and build a culture like it's more important for the jets to show viability than sustained success in the infancy of this regime.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think that's well said. I think that's part of it. Take a lot of pressure off the good the head coach. If you look at the history of the jets, they've had a lot of coaches do very well in their first year. Todd Bowles first year won 10 games. Mangini went to the playoffs in his first year. Herman Edwards went to the playoffs in his first year and there wasn't a lot of pressure on those guys and I'm sure that's probably what they're thinking. That's why I believe Tyrod Taylor could very well be the opening day quarterback for the New York Jets.

[Don Legraek]

But that's probably the best decision they should make, thanks to taking my call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, but, but here's the, here's the rub. I think there's talent there. Now that's obviously debatable. Alan doesn't believe that, but I think there's talent there that, that could be wasted while you're letting your new head coach get his sea legs. And while you're looking for that quarterback, you know, Garrett Wilson's not going to get any younger. He's going to enter year three, you know, so by the time he gets to be when you have to make decisions on whether you're going to pay him or not, he might say, I don't want to be here. I haven't been able to find the quarterback. I'm gone. You got, you got a running game that, that could die on the vine here. You got a defense that, one of the reasons you brought Aaron Glenn in is to try to tap in to this talented defense that's not going to be together forever. So I think there's too much talent there, guys to just decide, you know, we're going to take a knee on this year and kind of figure it out. I think that's some wasted talent there.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that was, that was one of the interesting moments I thought of our last segment. Dom was. We've been hearing for years about the talent on this team and in five minutes, Alan basically was like, this team's not talented. We gotta, we gotta, we're starting over again. Not. You didn't say literally starting over again. But, and don't get me wrong, they disappointed, but trust me, sure. But it is funny to hear the standards completely change from what we've heard over the last few years.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, you know, they, they, they lost Al woods, who was really good run stopper, a guy that plugged the middle. John Franklin Myers they moved on from. And the replacements that they came up with were not exactly the, the smartest. Javon Kinlaw was a, a huge mistake. Now they lost Jermaine Johnson early in the season on the edge and that hurt. But Will McDonald actually had a really good year. One of Joe Douglas's good draft picks, but Michael Clemens, they gave you nothing. Like they were relying on some guys that they thought were ready to take a step, and they weren't. Kinlaw was a bad sign. And Reddick, I mean, that was a swing and miss like the defense. And so now Chuck Clark always hurt. Not available. Tony Adams is. Meh. D.J. reed. You got to pay to keep him or not. But C.J. mosley's getting older and older and older, and it's kind of. He's kind of done. You know, did, did. Did Sherwood turn into a really good find? Yes, but there's holes on this defense that weren't there two years ago. That's the point I was trying to make. Well, so we can't be comparing it to the defense from two years ago.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I get that. But I could also look at players that underachieve because they weren't coached. I think the reason this defense fell apart in the second half of the year is Albrook now all of a sudden had to be the head coach with the media, and that hurt.

[Don Hahn]

We love Brick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, if you believe in this coaching staff, then you say, I think the players that we have will play better. I. I think in the NFL more than any other sport, there's still a developmental stage. Right. In every other sport, I guess basketball would be the exception, although they do have the G League, is that, you know, you have a minor league system where you can cultivate that talent. By the time you get them, there's not a lot for the manager to do. All right. These guys either have it or they don't. But I do think because it's such a jump, as we talked about earlier in the week, from college to the pros, there is a developmental stage. I think coaches can change and make players better and develop into the style that they want. And I think the jets failed a lot of their talent by not having great coaches. So if you brought the right guys in, which you assume they at least think they did, otherwise they wouldn't made the moves in the first place, that maybe some of that talent could be better. But we're not going to know if you don't have a quarterback if you're not trying to win. And just say, let's soft shoe it here for the first year, take the pressure off. Well, now you become even less talented as time goes on.

[Alan Hahn]

And again, I wonder what the actual plan is, but I don't think we'll see it take shape until we really get. Till at least what we see what they do at the quarterback position. Mike, who is from Grand Puba's hometown of New Rochelle. Mike.

[Caller]

Hey, Guys, how you doing today?

[Alan Hahn]

Good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Top.

[Caller]

So here's what I think. You know, I've been listening to you guys talk about this. I feel like Aaron Rodgers is the wrong move. I know that we have a coach and a GM that are on the hot seat, but if we bring Aaron Rodgers in, I feel like I'm concerned that then we bring, you know, maybe we bring Devonta Adams in as well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, if you don't want to.

[Caller]

Well, I just think that the fact that these guys are so on the hot seat, they're going to try to make some moves to get more wins. And I think you have some other. Some things that go along with that. You saw what happened with Garrett, right? Wilson last year, when that happened, he lost. He lost receptions. I wonder, could the same thing be true from elite neighbors?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, God.

[Caller]

And I think that these guys are completely wrong with the way they're trying to build this team. I'd much rather see like a Hunter or, you know, or a Carter and like to see us kind of like really think long term. I think it's a terrible problem that we have. I'm curious what your thoughts are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a terrible problem because they shouldn't have brought these guys back. And that's. That's what's so awkward about this whole thing. But. So you're worried about Neighbors having another wide receiver, but you're going to draft another star possible wide receiver unless you just. Yes, no, sir, if you want Devonte, but you don't have to sign.

[Caller]

Don't you think. Don't you think Aaron Rodgers is going to do that like that in spurs distributing the ball? He's going to go for the guy who's like, running the pattern the way that he wants to run it. I just think it's another issue. I think we don't need that right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You might be right. I just don't think. Think Aaron Rodgers is going to come in here and dictate policy. If Aaron Rodgers wants Devonte Adams and the Giants, don't they say, sorry, Aaron, you're not getting devonte Adams. And if they bring in Devonte Adams, it's going to be because they think it makes them better. And I can't worry about Malik Neighbors because the whole idea is to be a good team and that means you might bring in other wide receivers to work together. Does the kid want to win or not? He just had a fabulous rookie season that nobody cared about because they won three games. Well, why. Why do we always err on the side?

[Don Hahn]

Well, You.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't want to get more wide. Wide receivers. You'll tick off the Malik neighbors. Why do we always think that way?

[Don Hahn]

Who's been here for one year?

[Peter Rosenberg]

One. He's been one year and he's been. And he's giving you no indication that he'd be a problem. But now we got to think, oh, we. We don't want to draft it. We don't want to get another wide receiver, guys, because we're going to tick off our yellow. Stop. That's not that. That's a timid way to go about things, man.

[Don Hahn]

Not only that, it's a loser's mentality. Football teams do listen.

[Alan Hahn]

It's the only example that you have at this point, because that's literally what happened last season.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you got to admit, Allen, it's a completely different set of circumstances.

[Alan Hahn]

Is it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course it is. The jets are like, here, take our franchise. We don't know what the heck we're doing. Take over. You've won a Super Bowl. Win us a Super Bowl. Will any team that signs Aaron Rodgers be in that situation? Aaron Rodgers is the one side. Please sign me. I want to stay in the league. It's a complete reverse. It's a. It's a bizarro world for Rogers. I mean, I'm a general manager and I say Aaron Rodgers. And he. And he sits down and puts his feet up on my desk and goes, I want Lazard. I want. I want Adams.

[Alan Hahn]

But he doesn't do that. Like, Don, what you're suggesting is not how it goes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He handed the Jets a list of people to sign when he came here.

[Alan Hahn]

Not exactly that. They asked him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the Giants aren't going to ask him.

[Alan Hahn]

He didn't. He didn't walk into the meeting with, like, a manila folder and say, here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It felt like, get this done.

[Alan Hahn]

And it did. He did not. He did not dictate terms.

[Don Hahn]

It felt.

[Alan Hahn]

He sat down, he listened to the pitch, and then they asked him some questions. And one of the things was, is, what. What do you need? Like, what would you.

[Don Hahn]

Hold on.

[Alan Hahn]

It's. It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're making it sound like he walked.

[Alan Hahn]

In and he put his feet up on his desk.

[Don Hahn]

But why do you. Alan, where did you get the information that it played out the way you just described?

[Alan Hahn]

From talking to people.

[Don Hahn]

Well, the people that you would talk to are not the people who admit we were straight bitched by the guy. They're not going to tell you that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He rooked the entire team. I am exaggerating. Like, putting the feet up on.

[Alan Hahn]

I get it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the imagery is true to the point where if he did do that, the jets wouldn't be like, oh, my God, take your feet off the desk. They'd be like, oh, my God, make yourself at home. Do whatever you want. He's not that bad. He's not that bad of a guy that basically take Douglas's job.

[Alan Hahn]

For the sake of the show, I hope the Giants sign him. For the sake of the show, I hope, because it's the theater we need here in New York because our teams suck and at least we'll have some theater.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll tell you, I'm not going anywhere. I was right wrong on Rogers the first time, right, Peter? I said he's going to be the perfect soldier, and I was right for a while. And then he got hurt, and then he kind of went off the rails a little bit. I'm here. I don't plan on going anywhere. If the Giants sign him, I will have the opinion that he will be an absolute gem. I don't know if he'll play well. I can't tell you that. But I don't think he will be any issue whatsoever. And if he ever were to be, he'd be gone the next day.

[Don Hahn]

It would almost be worse getting to see him. If he was to really be that much of an ignoramus that he shows up and still has an attitude, I would relish getting to see him shown the door.

[Alan Hahn]

When did he have an attitude with the Jets? I never saw him with an attitude. What he was was his typical personality, which is kind of a little smug, a little arrogant. You're playing a.

[Don Hahn]

You're playing a semantics game.

[Alan Hahn]

How?

[Don Hahn]

Because you can call it an attitude, you can call it being generally obnoxious, you can call it creating problems after you say, no, our team's focused. Let's keep everything inside, nothing off board. And then you start going, having interviews and rambling on about rfk. He did a lot of things to make things more complicated.

[Alan Hahn]

We should only be doing what's about winning in this organization.

[Don Hahn]

And then he did not do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And. But the biggest problem with Roger, none of this can we admit all of the awkwardness of Rogers would not have been an issue if they were winning football games. And the biggest problem, the biggest cardinal sin for Aaron Rodgers is he got hurt in year one and got off to an awful start in 2024. I think it's the worst of it.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it's fair to say his best chance at having success with the jets was year one. I think year two was set up for failure for many levels. He really wasn't ready to play at the beginning of the season. Solid. Definitely was losing grip on the franchise. Woody Johnson was losing patience. I mean, the stuff he was doing behind the scenes. Woody Johnson, I mean, that's why he's got an F. The great F is not, Is not out of, out of nowhere. It's what happened when his frustration started to grow and he took it out on everybody in the organization.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the other problem is, is that Woody is. I'm not supposed to say it on the air, but he's kind of a jock. You know what? Like, he likes talking to these guys. And I know for all of John Mara's flaws, I don't think he's like that. All right. I don't. I don't. I don't think Aaron Rodgers is going to have a relationship with John Mara where like, all of a sudden the phone's going to ring and they're just going to be.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't think Mara gets giddy around.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The poll, but Woody thinks he's kind of one of the guys. Right. And so that kind of led to the relationship of, hey, boss, let's do this, let's do that. How about this? How about that? Like, I don't think that'll be the relationship with the next team. We keep saying Giants, whether it's Steelers or whatever.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He. I don't think he's going to have that kind of relationship with any other owner, which I think will make it a little harder for him to have that kind of an influence. Not only did the jets give him the keys to the team, he had a direct line of Woody Johnson. And they're in that back and forth. That's not good.

[Alan Hahn]

And that was your first. Right, Exactly. That was the first mistake. All right, let's transition here, if we could. We'll continue with calls on this at 800 now, 193776. I don't want to get stuck on it because there is another topic to get into. I think that is pretty interesting. And it has to do with the Yankees and it has to do with Aaron Judge. You guys know, I'm already on the record as saying that I love how Judge worded what he did when it comes to the beard policy change that the Yankees made, and it's the fact that Aaron Judge was for it. Yes, they reached out to me. Yes. We talked about it. And Aaron Judge made it clear to everybody with a notepad and a tape recorder that I wanted to let them know that let's not turn this into where we're going to start changing all of our standards. It's something he truly believes in. And he added the line that I thought was interesting about, you know, if somebody wasn't coming here because of a beard policy, they really shouldn't be here anyway. They really weren't all about it. Right. He said that for a reason. But then there's this that he said when in regards to the team that they have going forward this season and listen within again, I always love to, like, read the tea leaves of the. In between the lines and tell me what phrase you might catch in what Aaron. Aaron Judge says about his current team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Excited about the team.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, we got a group here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That'S motivated, excited to be back. A lot of new faces, definitely, you know, just around the whole, you know, infield, even outfield. But it's a lot of guys that.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, want to be here in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

New York, wanted to play for the Yankees, and, you know, we're seeing some good results out of them so far.

[Alan Hahn]

Anything jump out to either of you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I want to be a Yankee.

[Alan Hahn]

Wanted to be here in New York and wanted to be a Yankee.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a shot at Soto, and I love it.

[Alan Hahn]

And this year, think about it. Last summer was about Soto and Judge. This summer is about Soto versus Judge, and not necessarily a personal rivalry or anything like that. I don't think there's true animosity, but I do think what could these two do together now becomes which one of these guys is going to have more success without the other. There's a lot of pressure on Soto with that big contract to make the Mets a winner, regardless of all the injuries to their pitching and anything else, and the lack of a. Of a true lineup around him and all those. It doesn't matter. You got all this money. The Mets better win. And with Judge, it's still the same thing. It's the same refrain every year. Can you carry this franchise to a championship like all the other greats in franchise history before you? And the pressure's on both of them. And I just think it's a very interesting thing that he would just leave that little subtle dig of guys who wanted to be a Yankee.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's no question that's what he's doing.

[Alan Hahn]

I love it. I'm all about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I think it only has substance. If there was ever any thought that it was going to be anything other than the money, I'm coming from a Place of doing the Michael K Show for all of last year, when all we talked about. Right. Peter, was he's going to go to the highest bidder. Whoever gives him the most money, he's going to go to. So if you're, if you're a believer that, hey, he had a chance, the Yankees had a chance to sell him, and he dissed the Yankees and went someplace else, I don't believe that narrative. I believe the narrative was he went. He was going to go to the highest bidder and the Mets were the highest bidder, period. So almost.

[Don Hahn]

It's almost cute that Aaron would have believed differently.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's. So that's the thing is like, so is Aaron saying that he thought that when Soto came here that he might be able to win him over. I don't. I don't believe that for a second. I think everybody. That's why there was no contact. That's no communication. Because I think everybody knew he was a mercenary. And if you're going to be mad at anybody, and I don't. I don't. I would never suspect Aaron Rodgers would ever. Aaron Judge, we got to get rid of these Aarons, please. That's. That's the one thing why I'm hoping maybe the Giants don't sign Aaron Roth.

[Alan Hahn]

We just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We gotta lessen our Aarons here. If, if, if Judge really wants to be mad at anybody, he should be mad at the Yankees for not being the highest bidder. Because I think that's all that it was ever gonna be about. But it's a good narrative to sell. I'm with you. You know, hey, you don't wanna be here, fine. We're good. We're good without you. But does he really believe that, or is that just something you kind of sell after the fact? Because I think everybody knew that it was always going to come down to the final dollar.

[Alan Hahn]

Why do I feel like today is Don and Peter versus Alan? It really feels like it takes all of our takes today. The topics today have been a little bit of you guys versus me. And I'm fine with it. I'm here for it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's not intentional. It's just the way it worked out.

[Alan Hahn]

Exactly. It's a fight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm always about a good show.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. If we all agreed, it would be boring, so. But I'm just noticing the two of you that are on this lockstep on one as well, and I think you're both wrong.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, you know what? If since we're being very honest, we're laying it all on the table.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think you're kind of coming from a Yankee fan perspective. You want, you want to like this. I get it because you're a Yankee fan, but I do think it's kind of a little made up. But no, I, I coming from a fan perspective, I understand. Peter and I are not Yankee fans, so we can see it. I think with a little bit more of an open mind, I think you're kind of grasping at something and good. That's what it's supposed. That's what Judge did. Judge wants to rally the Yankee fans around. I think that's why you have that opinion.

[Alan Hahn]

I love it. And if he is, that's what a leader at a face of a franchise is supposed to do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Exactly.

[Alan Hahn]

Here's the scenario that I'm going to paint for you. I believe this is how it really went down. End of the season and all year, he and Judge and Soto were friendly, right? They talked. You saw it. It was very obvious. He praised them all the time. Post games, anytime he did something great, praised him. The two of them. It was a mutual admiration society between the two of them. Soto also praised Judge. Just how, how much he admired him and all that stuff these guys will say publicly, like, you know, I don't want to get in his business. You know, that's for him. We don't talk about it. I call bull. They absolutely talk about. Because this is what guys do. Anybody in the business, they do talk about this stuff. It does happen. And there was probably a point at some point later in the season that Judge probably said to him, listen, like, let me know what you need. What do you want from me? Like, we, we want to have you back. So if there's anything I can do, just ask, you know, really just had, you know, you're good. I said this to you, Don, when we first started the show. Remember I said to you, like, if you were going to leave, I wouldn't let you. Like, that's just how it is. You're so valuable to us. I want to, like, what is it? What's it going to take? You tell me. I'll help you. Whatever you want. Let me know if I can help because I want you to know how much I want you to stay. That's personal. Because if you don't say anything, if Judge says nothing to Soto, so does probably, like, well, he never even reached out. Like, never even came to me, like, so, you know, something happened. So I'm going to say that something like that happened. And in that conversation, Judge saw Soto kind of give him the, well, we'll see how it goes. You know, we'll see what happens. You know, it says there's going to be a lot of interest. I want to see what. What the money is, whatever it is. Judge right away was like, all right, this guy's about the money. But he's so. And that turned him off. That's why when anybody asked about it, he kept saying things like, no, no, I haven't talked to him, which we know is not true. He definitely did talk to him. So I think that happened. He got turned off by it, and that was the end of it. It was over. He knew it was done, and so that's why he is where he is right now. But he didn't want to be a Yankee.

[Don Hahn]

He.

[Alan Hahn]

He wanted to get paid, and I want guys who want to be Yankees.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think you might be right. I don't think that conversation needed to happen. They're all. Aaron Judge is smart. He knows Juan Soto now is. Was going to the Yankees. One of the top five baseball players in the game already on his third team, turned down a mega deal in Washington. Scott Boris is his agent. What more do you need after winning.

[Don Hahn]

A title, by the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They have to know in certain circles, when Scott Boris is your agent, it's going to be about going to the highest bidder.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, you do talk, though. Come on. It's been a whole season together. You know, it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think you. If. If you. If you see the writing on the wall and, you know, I think everybody knew. How did I know? How did Michael know? How did Peter know?

[Alan Hahn]

Cole knew? Cole knew also because Cole did the same thing that Juan did. He put the hat on that. That. That had the, you know what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now you're onto something. Because if I'm Aaron Judge, I'm going to go to Cole and say, what do you. What do you think of this guy? Cole, who's a leader on the team, is probably telling, don't even bother with him. He's going to the highest bidder. I got Boris as my agent. The last game that I pitched in Houston, bang, I'm wearing a Boris hat. I was done. I was going like, he's not the. If the. If he's going to stay a Yankee, it's going to be because they give him the most money. So don't even bother. I'm sure Cole told him that. Like, don't even try. Take him out to dinner if you want to go out with him. You want to hang with him, fine. But don't try to convince him to stay here. Convince Hal to give him the most money if you want to keep him here. Like, I think it's just understood that's why all these players talk about, I don't want to get in their pocket. It's a business. But they know if we know. They certainly know, but. So you think Judge is the guy, Peter, that's going to beg this guy to stay when he knows the rules of engagement?

[Don Hahn]

I can't call it because the more I hear, the more it makes me think maybe Judge did actually view it that way. Which is kind of funny to me because if we really go back to Judges walk year, let's not act like Judge was giving any indication on anything. He, he was very polite, but very coy as well. And then after he took the deal where we obviously know he could have done slightly better elsewhere, he then, since then has become very much, obviously I'm here now for the rest of my career. I always wanted to be here. I want people who want to be here. But Don, he didn't play it that way himself. It worked really well for him and now he's able to say he's that guy, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He may mean it, Alan may disagree, but if I remember back during that time with Judge, like, Judge wasn't cold about the organization. He was very out front how much he loved the organization, but wouldn't commit to say he was staying. He was because he already turned down a deal and he didn't know what free agency was going to present. So I don't even know. Soto said the right things about the organization, but always was very clear to say, huh, we'll see how it plays out. Yeah, I see how it's going to play out.

[Don Hahn]

I remember some, some, some conversations with Judge that I'd say would verge on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cold, but it's two different. So you're talking about a guy that was drafted by the team. His whole career was spent with the Yankees. This guy's coming. Anybody coming in here is going to look at him and go, all right, he was with Washington, won a title, still walked away from big time money.

[Don Hahn]

But Don, do you still feel the way, do you, I'm sorry to cut you off. Do you still feel the way though, that Allen feels? Because, like, I feel the way that Allen just expressed himself, which is a very Yankee way of, like, I want people who want to be a Yankee.

[Alan Hahn]

Down to me now.

[Don Hahn]

I just don't even know that I I, I think that's sort of unique to the Yankees. Now in this version of sports, I'm not saying I don't want someone who wants to be on the team. I'd obviously prefer prefer that you want to be there than just be a hired gun. But I think that mentality is not a 2025 realistic mentality.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Did not like this album when it first came out, believe it or not. First listen, didn't love it. Now it's one of the greatest things on the face of the planet. Jason Newstead's birthday. I love Bass Player of the Event. Or third if you count it. Stain.

[Alan Hahn]

I love how Jacob balances it out. Yeah, he always finds a way to balance it out. Like. Like nobody ever feels left out of the conversation. That's great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love it. Injustice for all is amazing. But when I first heard it, I don't know. Expectations, you know, it's like I'm watching a movie. Everybody like Forrest Gump. I didn't love the first time I saw it cuz I didn't see it till hit video. So everybody was talking about, oh my God, this movie. Dear God. You know. So it's like how could it live up to that? And now it's the classic that it should be in my eyes. But you ever like listen to an album and like, all right, it's.

[Alan Hahn]

And then oh yeah, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Six or seven time. You're like this is amazing.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, there's been times like the first time around it's you know, like, yeah, that's all right. And then by the like, I mean, this is a terrible example. But I'll share it because I don't mind getting made fun of. The 5150 album from Van Halen, which was the first Sammy Hagar hated it because I was such a old school Van Halen, like, David Roth guy. And so I just. I felt it was too synthesizer, too poppy, like, to just all of it. But then the more I listened to it, the more like I loved it. And then it became like it's almost like two different bands for me. They're not the same band.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, they're not the same band. But I've had this conversation many times with people, like, and I think it's a great music conversation for like a.

[Alan Hahn]

Podcast or something we should do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is. You had Van Halen with David Lee Roth, which was. They had a hard, hard rock.

[Alan Hahn]

Phenomenal. Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In that same exact genre. You put Sammy Hagar with Van Halen, they become a pop band. David Lee Roth solo pop. Like, why? Why? What happened?

[Alan Hahn]

Right. What was that song? Dixie Rose. And he did the California Girls cover. Yeah, he got goofy too. It was like he had to. He had to prove that he could do the same things. It was so bizarre.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yankee Rose is the song you were thinking.

[Alan Hahn]

Yankee Rose, Yankee Rose. That's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Again, it's not. Not that it's bad. It just. There was an edge that when they combined it, like when they all got separated, it was all lost. Crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

Just reading, just catching up on some of the Sham Sharania stuff here with the NBA. I do think we should at some point get into the Kyrie of it all and just how this, this whole Luca trade has is. I said, this way I get up, you can tell me I'm crazy, but I felt it. So I just said, I'll say it. That it's got this like, Curse of the Bambino thing feel right. You traded Babe Ruth, you know, so you trade Luca Doncic, and now not only does Anthony Davis get hurt like one half into his Mavericks career after saying I'm here, but then Kyrie Irving suffers a just a devastating knee injury last night, and they today announced that it's an acl. So he's out for the season and who knows how much he'll miss going into next season. And now, of course, Shams is saying, which is what Perk and I were saying on get up, that they're thinking of shutting down Anthony Davis for the rest of the season as well. Like, why bother at this point? Don't come back. There's nothing to come back for. And boy, does that. What a mess that turns into now for them. Short term, you still think if they're healthy next year, maybe they could be good. But then on top of it, they Announced yesterday that they're going to. They're raising ticket prices for next season.

[Don Hahn]

That timing is truly, truly special.

[Alan Hahn]

Just. I hate to laugh, but what makes you laugh can make you also cry. Like, it just. Just this trade has turned into such a big story and an immediate disaster. And then you watch Luca with LeBron, it's like two people that never knew how much, how easily they could fall in love with each other. Like how well they play together. Like right from the start. It's almost like they were separated at birth. It's incredible how the two of these guys, these two are playing. And by the way, look at the standings right now. Where are the Lakers now? Don't look now. Number two in the West.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is crazy.

[Don Hahn]

And, but, but the real loser is all of us. Because what a fun thing it was to think about that if Kyrie and Anthony Davis had really gotten going together.

[Alan Hahn]

Then they play each other in the playoffs.

[Don Hahn]

Could have gotten something special in the playoffs. And now it's. It's done. And now that storyline's a wrap.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but instead Luca goes back to Dallas in April for a game that now he's going to play against a bunch of G league guys. Like, who cares? But if I'm. If I'm him, I still go for 70. Like, why not while you can. But anyways, on the basketball front, Frank in Cleveland wants to have a chat with Peter.

[Don Hahn]

Frank.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh no.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, yeah.

[Don Legraek]

Is it just a big bad Peter Rosenberg?

[Don Hahn]

What did I do?

[Don Legraek]

Well, I mean, your comments on the Levitar podcast were insane. I don't know where you're like, if Donovan Mitchell played for the Knicks, you guys would make him have to be more than Jordan was in Chicago. Okay, say that we have no superstar.

[Alan Hahn]

Peter, you're such a big Knicks, such a big Knicks fan. I mean, Peter, you're just laughable. It's laughable how big of a Knicks fan. You are. Something. You're such a homer.

[Don Hahn]

Peter, you nailed me because I love the Knicks so much. I think.

[Don Legraek]

Okay, well, even if you don't like the Knicks or the Nets, it doesn't even matter. It's stupid to say that.

[Don Hahn]

Dude, I'm here to give you a hefty dose of reality. If you win the championship, it doesn't matter what people like me say about sex appeal. But I'm here to be honest. There is not a mainstream star on your team. There's not a dude.

[Don Legraek]

Donovan Mitchell is a multiple time all star and constantly in the MVP conversation. What are you talking about?

[Don Hahn]

He's a great Player. He's not a star, period. No one in the.

[Don Legraek]

Yes, he is.

[Don Hahn]

The average kid doesn't even know what number his jersey is, bro. He's not a star. That's it. Who cares? Just go win your championship.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know why it bothers you.

[Don Hahn]

What does it matter?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Basketball now you gotta be sexy too.

[Don Legraek]

Where you guys. It's just this thing where you guys are in a big marketing. You talk down on the little guys. We've been hearing it forever. You guys always do this.

[Alan Hahn]

You guys.

[Don Hahn]

No, I. First of all, that's not.

[Alan Hahn]

Frank, Frank, you had LeBron James and won a championship. What are you talking about? Like, come on, man. Like, you had LeBron James and you won a championship. Who's talking down to the Cavs? Who's doing that?

[Don Legraek]

Trust me, I can go back to the LeBron days. There was always free agents that were rumored to come to Cleveland. And then people would say, well, you know, LeBron's there, but nobody wants to claim they'll still go out west. It wasn't what you're thinking.

[Alan Hahn]

Frank, as a guy that covered all that, isn't that why LeBron left Cleveland to go to Miami? Because he couldn't attract guys like Dwayne Wade to come there and guys like Chris Bosh to come there and other stars he wanted. He had to get a 70 year old Shaq to go there. It is. That was not a narrative. That was a real thing.

[Don Legraek]

It was for half of it. It's not for the full part of it, which isn't fair because when he did come back, there was a ton of guys that wanted to come.

[Alan Hahn]

You know why? You know, do you know why? Because they wanted to help him win a championship in Cleveland. That's why. Like, everybody loved him and they wanted to do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why can't you have it as a badge of honor that hey, we can win a championship and it not be sexy and not be a super team, that Cleveland's not a destination, but yet we still built a team that wants.

[Alan Hahn]

A hell of a job.

[Don Legraek]

Really not realize the idea that bothers people in Midwest markets. When New Yorkers talk like that, though. It's like, we know New York is the Mecca. No one's denying that. It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nobody talked about.

[Don Hahn]

The Knicks just stumbled into Jalen Brunson. No one wanted to be here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We talk about it every day.

[Don Legraek]

He feels bad in Brunson, by the way, just so we're clear. He's.

[Alan Hahn]

That's. That's great, Frank. By the way, Donovan Mitchell's from New York, Just, just to remind you of that. And Kenny Atkinson is from New York just to remind you of that as well. So you did need help from guys from this market. Okay. They, those guys understand what it, what, what the market thing's about. But you feeling like the, the, the little engine that could is great, but to take offense to it and the best part is, is just do a modicum of homework. Just, just, just all you have to do is Peter Rosenberg said. Who's Peter Roosevelt? Where is he from? Who are his favorite teams? Like, I feel like that's the laziest thing that anybody could do. I'm going to call the radio station. I'm going to call him out. And you don't even know that. A, he's not from New York originally. B, he's not a Knicks fan or a Nets fan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right, right. So, so the bias, he knows Donovan Mitchell.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on, man.

[Don Hahn]

All the things that you thought it was coming from.

[Alan Hahn]

I know.

[Don Hahn]

Just wasn't. It's just a fact. I, I don't, it's not. I don't even remember remotely mean it as an insult. There is almost sexiness in the lack of sexiness. Like, it's cool, but they have no Peter.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll say Peter. I'll say it. The, the, the, the worst thing for the NBA would be an Oklahoma City Thunder versus Cleveland Cavaliers NBA Finals. It doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good entertaining for basketball fans. But you will not get. And as I always say, this Eugene and Dolores in Idaho are not watching it because I don't know these guys. Like, that's all it is. It's just the reality of the NBA. There's going to be matchups that some people say they're not going to rate well. Just because the average viewer is not going to stop on ABC because, oh, that's Steph Curry. I know him. Oh, that's that LeBron James guy. I know him. That's a real thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mentioned this yesterday. I think anybody who listens to the show knows I grew up a Devil fan. And so that's all I'd ever hear.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a great point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was all, you know, the Devils won the cup. They ruined the league with the trap. All the ratings are going to go down in the tank as the Devils went to the final. Do you think that that upset me when I'm seeing my team win a cup? So what do I mean? Again, it's a badge of honor. It's like, listen, it's easy when you're in a big market and you can woo all the big free agents and build a super team and everybody wants to play for you, try doing it. When you're a small market team and nobody wants to go there, you can't do it through free agency. The Devils couldn't do it. Lou refused to do it through free agency, so he drafted well. He made smart trades, so it became like a badge of honor. Now, I can't help that Cleveland's perception around the world is not exactly that great, but I think maybe that was the angle. He was looking all in New York, Los Angeles, we're Cleveland. But wear it with pride, man, because it's so much easier for the big marketplaces to be able to woo. And also, like you said, do your homework forever. Nobody wanted to play for the Knicks. There was a time. Nobody wanted to play for the Yankees when George was in his really negative heyday. The laundry list of guys to refuse to play here, you know, because they didn't want to come to New York, didn't want to have to deal with the pressure. So don't make it seem like we have everything gifted us in the big market.

[Alan Hahn]

It reminds me, Don, of the. Of one of your great drops when you must have taken a drink or something and you said, I wish you love this sport like I do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was my peanut phase, where the peanut. I would get verklempt because I was eating peanuts, and it just sounded like.

[Alan Hahn]

You got a moment.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I wish you love the sport like I do.

[Alan Hahn]

My favorites, because that's what that sounded like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You have to realize that in hockey.

[Alan Hahn]

I wish you love the team like I do. It's just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not about hockey, all right? Nobody get that. They have a whole league with 32 teams in markets all over North America. Just for me? Yeah, just for me. Thank you. Like, I don't. Well, I. I don't know that that was such a. Like me, like my team, like who I am.

[Alan Hahn]

No, man, Don, what you said about the Devils is how I felt a couple of years ago when the Islanders were making their run. And it. People in New York are like, oh, God, the last thing you want to see is the Islanders get to the finals. Nobody cares. And I'm like, good. Screw you in your. In your ratings. I don't care. I want a fifth cup. That's all I care about. If it's not good for ratings, I don't care. I don't want them to be America's team. I just want them to win. But for some reason there are fans that just take it so personal.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't find that like, it doesn't mean anything to me that people think like Jaden Daniels is this exciting, sexy player. Like, I don't. It does nothing for me. It only I, I love him because of how he plays the game and.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How great he is for your team.

[Don Hahn]

For, for my team.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Need the approval of other people. Be like, oh man, I'd be so psyched to watch him play. Like, oh great. Jump on the bandwagon all you want. I don't give a damn. I want my team to be good. Like Cleveland is the, is the best team in basketball. They are an incredible team right now.

[Alan Hahn]

And they're, they're fun to watch. They're really good. They're well coached.

[Don Hahn]

By the way, they're well run. Celtics off the floor on Friday. So what are you worried about exactly?

[Alan Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. I did not know this about Jacob Perry, but I'm going to tell you right now. Now, I knew he had a wide range of music. He really is very good when it comes to versatility of music. What I did not know is now what he's showing us is he definitely has a metal side to him that's a little bit stronger than any other music that I, I, I could have imagined. Jacob, admit it. Come clean. Like there's a, there's a part of you that, like, you love metal. You must. Yeah, part of me is the emo. Part of me the emo Emo. Yeah. No, come on. You know, early 2000, I was into, like, some of that rock and like, metal. Maybe a little thrasher here and there. Early 2000s, emo metal. That's like Evanescence. No, no, I mean, Evanescence is. Yeah, they're pretty emo, but that's pretty, that's what, like one or two songs I could really get with.

[Don Hahn]

What about, what about Limp Bizkit? You more like Limp Bizkit?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is that what you mean?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, Limp Bizkit was kind of in between. I mean, they're, they're, they're all right. But I mean, I really only knew Limp Bizkit from, like, WWE games and some notes.

[Don Hahn]

That was a big part of WWE at that time.

[Alan Hahn]

The best, the Best Limp Bizkit song is Get It Together with Q Tip.

[Don Hahn]

That's what Beastie Boys. You mean.

[Alan Hahn]

Is that what Beastie. That's what Beastie Boys, right?

[Don Hahn]

You took it. You see.

[Alan Hahn]

Who did. But who did?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, wait, did I make simple Close to the Sun.

[Alan Hahn]

Wait, no, no. What happened there? What was the Q tip one? I'm thinking of?

[Don Hahn]

No, no, you're thinking of Get It Together by Beastie Boys.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what the Beastie Boys. Right? That's really good.

[Don Hahn]

No, that's all. And he just mentioned. We just mentioned Beastie Boys too. That's what happened.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, okay.

[Don Hahn]

But no, now the bet. Now I'll say this Limp Bizkit, you're think. Are you thinking of all in together with DJ Premier? Cuz Limp Bizkit does have a song with DJ Premiere. And together now that's fire.

[Alan Hahn]

No, but that's good one. That's a good one too. I'm thinking Olympics get in somebody. They. They did a collab with somebody.

[Don Hahn]

They have a Method Man. That one.

[Alan Hahn]

That's the one. My bad. That's the one.

[Don Hahn]

And together now is Method man and DJ Premiere.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's really good.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, we might. We might need.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, because I haven't heard that one in probably 20 years.

[Don Hahn]

And by the way, the DJ premiere remix of My Way by Limp Bizkit is pretty awesome too.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

It took me years to admit any of this. For a long time, I had a visceral hatred to Limp Bizkit. Number one, musically, didn't get it at all at the time. Number two, I used to always wear. Prior to the Fred Durst explosion, I was very big on a backwards, backwards red baseball. So you had many photos, Many, many photos of it. And then it was like, oh, what's up, Fred Durst? And I was like, all right, well.

[Alan Hahn]

Time to end of that. At the end of that. Yeah. Wow. So I just, I. I just made a terrible reference. But it shows. No, that's a bad one. But it does show you that, like, I'm all over the place to a point where my referencing gets kind of confused. It's. It's a right. I'm a mess. I'm the first one to admit it.

[Don Hahn]

What you should really take away from it was the friendship was the way I picked you up when you were down. You see that? I didn't step on your back.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it's footprints. Like, you had this. You had the opportunity to walk all over me and instead you carried me.

[Don Hahn]

You love the footprints Reference.

[Alan Hahn]

It's just.

[Don Hahn]

It's your favorite. It's your favorite, like, religious poster to reference.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I'm sorry. There's two kinds of friends, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

And the footprints friends are the ones I prefer.

[Don Hahn]

They're friends like the footprints friends. And there's friends like Michael K. Those are the two kinds of friends.

[Alan Hahn]

That was you saying that, not me.

[Don Hahn]

Well, think about it. Don't. Don. If you make a mistake on the air with Michael, he's stepping on your back every time. That is what he does. If your foot is up from the sand, he's putting his foot on the back of your head, face down into the sand.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Every moment to face off, that needs to be won.

[Alan Hahn]

But, I mean, you can understand that, too. But whatever. But it is embarrassing. But again, I can't be embarrassed, because if you knew it was the library in my head, you would say the same thing. Like, wait a minute, how do you have Paul McCartney and then right next to it, a Tribe Called Quest. That doesn't make sense.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

That's. That's what I have. And it doesn't make sense. It's not supposed to.

[Don Hahn]

It's fine. We understand, man. You got nothing to prove to us.

[Alan Hahn]

Please. At this point in my life, what do I have to prove? Griffin's in Connecticut. Griffin wants to. Now he wants to carry Peter Griffin.

[Caller]

First off, that guy is a fan of a team that is 50 and 10. Okay, let's. Let's try to wrap our head around. The guy is a fan of a team that is 50 and 10. Is he a New York Jet fan? No, he actually is a fan of a team that win an NBA title this year. And he came on New York radio to whine and complain for, I don't know. He's a fan of the team that is 50 and 10. I'm a fan of a team that had to deal with a cancer named Jimmy Butler all year. Constantly, constantly in drama and this and that. And my team is basically falling apart, basically, with the whole Jimmy thing. And I'm sitting there just really, just glad we got rid of Jimmy. He's the fan of a team that could win a title this year. And he whining, I don't get people.

[Don Hahn]

Griffin. Now, Griftster, listen.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, Griftster.

[Don Hahn]

Here's the deal, though, Griftster. You're not going to get me to feel bad for a Miami Heat fan either, you guys, in spite of the Jimmy thing, he gave you guys some. Some great Jimmy at times. And by the way, we know you well enough Gripster to know that the hockey team you root for has somehow stumbled into being the best team in hockey in competing for a Stanley Cup. See, things are going well for the Griftster these days as well.

[Caller]

Yeah, but, but, but what I'm saying is, when we went on that run to make the NBA Finals, did I come here and whine that you guys didn't give us enough love? No, I didn't.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Caller]

I just came at you guys and said things. This guy came there is why things.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're not a whiner, I will give you that.

[Don Hahn]

You're a lot of things.

[Alan Hahn]

We love things. Thank you. And I think he gave us another drop, too, by the way there.

[Don Hahn]

Which one?

[Alan Hahn]

The first. The first comment. I just got distracted by some news about the Knicks that I'm going to share in a few minutes, but there's, there's, there's something certainly there. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

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