Hour 3: Judge Update

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: Judge Update

Date: July 17, 2026
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Episode Theme:
This episode centers around the ongoing uncertainty around Aaron Judge's injury and return for the Yankees, explores the growing influence of AI and analytics in baseball, debates the changing soul of the sport, and takes live calls from fans reacting to New York sports news.

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Main Discussion Points

1. Weather Worries and the World Cup Final ([00:53])

• Discussion begins with concerns about air quality in the New York area, stemming from Canadian wildfires, and the possibility it might affect the World Cup final.
  • Alan Hahn: “Sunday's final between Argentina and Spain… is not concerning FIFA as the weather forecast improves.”
  • Peter Rosenberg [02:20]: “I cannot picture a world in which they did anything to move that game. It would have to be a blizzard in July.”
• Both hosts agree the event is too big to be moved unless under extraordinary circumstances.

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2. Aaron Judge Health Update & Implications ([02:57])

Judge’s Rib Injury Progress:

• Judge reports positive progress from rib imaging (“some healing”), but not fully healed. Another doctor’s opinion is sought.
• Judge’s Direct Quote: “Definitely. I don't see why I wouldn't [play again this season].”

Hosts’ Analysis:

• Alan Hahn [03:22]: “Definitely is a key word here… What I worry about, of course, and I'm sure the Yankees probably have to worry about this as well, is… can the guy get back into rhythm after three months out?”
• Peter Rosenberg [05:17]: “When someone says to you definitely… dot, dot, dot… it feels like a slight edge to me.”

Concerns & Scenarios:

• Is it fair to put postseason pressure on Judge after missing so much regular season?
• If Judge returns in September, can he realistically be expected to carry the offense in October?
• Alan Hahn [06:02]: “Your expectations are always going to be high… I want Cashman to not use Judge as an excuse for not making tough moves.”
• The hope: if Judge returns healthy but later struggles, fans should not immediately question his postseason “clutch” factor; consider his layoff.

Postseason Narrative Possibilities:

• Best-case scenario: Judge returns late, pulls off a dramatic postseason run, and changes his playoff narrative.
  • Alan Hahn [07:55]: “It sure would set up for a very dramatic story, wouldn't it? Let's say he comes back and he's fresh… and he's just absolutely mashing.”

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3. Mets’ AI Controversy: The Robotization of Baseball ([08:46])

Story Recap:

• Mets used AI on iPads to help hitters predict pitch sequences in real time.
• MLB has now banned in-game use of AI or iPads for strategic decisions.

Hosts’ Take:

• Alan Hahn [09:59]: “At what point are you like… now you're telling a batter, ‘I don't trust your eye. Do what… ChatGPT tells you.’”
• Peter Rosenberg [12:16]: “They have tried to do everything they can to make this game less interesting.”

Key Arguments:

• Turning players into robots removes the fun, intuition, and soul from baseball.
• Discussing strategy (hit and run, pinch-hitting, pitcher changes) used to be part of the game's joy — now it feels predetermined by tech.
  • Alan Hahn [13:27]: “I want a manager who knows this player so well… That’s what the sport is losing.”
• Concern that, in a future with a salary cap, teams will only rely more on algorithmic decision-making.

Notable Quote:

“Why can't we also just let the game still have a soul? Because that's way more compelling to let players figure it out, to let managers figure it out, to discuss strategy, to go with guts sometimes.”
— Alan Hahn [13:53]

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4. Fan & Caller Reactions – AI, Analytics, & Baseball’s Changing Culture

• Steve (caller) [15:05]: A retired editor, Steve laments the disappearing personality and mystery of baseball, calling the current approach “one-dimensional…there's no strategy involved.”
  • Alan Hahn [16:42]: “Some fans have kind of just been beaten down to a point… wasting my energy. They're not listening to me anymore.”
• Discussion on the “resignation” of baseball lifers, including Michael Kay’s stance:
  • Peter Rosenberg [18:03]: “People don’t want to be told… the thing you supported, the thing you got your kids… and grandkids to be into… No, it’s not that anymore.”
• Analytics was exciting when new (Moneyball era), but now every team does it and the advantage has plateaued.
  • Liam (caller) [26:01]: “It was cool when it was fresh… but now that everyone's done it, it's kind of made the game plateau.”

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5. Yankees Trade Deadline Needs ([40:00])

• Following the Judge update, discussion shifts to the Yankees’ upcoming trade deadline strategy:

  • Bullpen help (notably Mason Miller, Bednar).
  • Right-handed catcher a significant need (Ryan Jeffers, Hunter Goodman mentioned).
  • Starting pitching not seen as necessary due to upcoming returns from injury (Max Fried, Radon).
  • Expectation is for need-based, non-headline moves.

• Alan Hahn [40:54]: “These aren't going to be big headline grabbing type trades… but they're going to be moves that this team is going to need to make if they want to be taken seriously as a true contender.”

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6. Mets’ Looming Fire Sale ([42:26])

• The Mets are likely headed toward a major roster shake-up.
  • Alan Hahn: “That fire sale is going to be fun.”
  • Peter Rosenberg: “What fan… I'm sure all the Mets fans are going to be thrilled to watch all their, all the players they've known… Well, wait a minute. They've already lost all the ones they like.”
• Speculation about whom the Mets may or may not part with, and how much the possible future salary cap might impact big contracts like Lindor’s.

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7. Knicks, NBA, and More: Brief Hits ([45:07])

• Callers ask about how the Knicks should proceed after their recent success; Alan and Peter agree that depth at center remains the biggest need.

  • “You still need a third seven-footer. How do they get one that is capable enough to be a factor?” — Alan Hahn [46:13]

• Brief Giants/NFL tangent: cautioning Giants fans against expecting instant transformation with Harbaugh as coach.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On AI in baseball:
  “Turns the batter into a robot… Do what ChatGPT tells you.” — Alan Hahn [09:59]

• Judge’s confidence discussed:
  “He said definitely. He said definitely. Yeah, but when someone says to you definitely, right? Versus they say definitely, dot, dot, dot. I don't see why I Couldn't or wouldn't? It feels like a slight edge to me.” — Peter Rosenberg [05:17]

• On narrative pressure for Judge:
  "Is it really fair to put that pressure and expectation on him to say, like, if he doesn't play well in the postseason, we're going to tack that on to all the past times in the postseason like this?" — Alan Hahn [04:35]

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Key Timestamps

• [02:57] — Judge health update and “definitely” quote analyzed.
• [07:55] — Narrative around Judge’s return and possible October drama.
• [08:46] — Discussion of Mets’ AI pitch-predicting system and recent MLB ban.
• [15:05] — Caller Steve bemoans modern baseball’s loss of soul.
• [26:01] — Caller Liam identifies analytics plateau, the “Moneyball effect.”
• [28:31] — Clip: Aaron Boone updates on Judge’s recovery.
• [40:00] — Yankees’ trade deadline plans discussed.
• [42:26] — Mets fire sale and the potential impact of a future salary cap.
• [46:13] — Knicks discussion: need for center depth post-title run.

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Tone and Style

• Conversational, witty, sometimes sarcastic but always passionate about New York sports.
• Frequent interplay between Hahn and Rosenberg, poking fun and playing off each other.
• Direct engagement with callers enhances community feeling and grounds the show in fans’ perspectives.
• Critical but not cynical: high expectations for New York teams, skeptical of front-office “excuses.”

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Closing Observations

For Yankees fans:

• Slight optimism: Judge is healing, says he’ll return, but the timeline is still uncertain. The team should focus on bolstering the bullpen and catching depth rather than relying on Judge to be the savior in October.

For baseball fans at large:

• The episode captures nostalgia and concern for the sport’s drift from human ingenuity to algorithmic determinism. The hosts vocally defend the “soul” of the game.

Fan engagement:

• Listeners’ fatigue and resignation about analytics-obsessed baseball is palpable, but there’s still hope (and plenty of humor) that New York teams can make it interesting come autumn.

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If you’re a New York sports fan or just curious about Judge’s status, the culture war in modern baseball, or enjoy the banter of Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg, this episode is for you.

Transcript

[Alan Hahn]

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[Anthony]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

and I here until 7 o'. Clock. No Mets tonight. They only play when the weather's very dangerous. Otherwise they're good.

[Alan Hahn]

Speaking of which, you know, there was some concern about Sunday's World cup and whether or not is it supposed to get worse? Well, there was just over the weekend. I think tomorrow's supposed to be pretty bad, although then rain's gonna come in. But I'm seeing a story on ESPN.com right now that said that the World cup final is not under any threat despite the air quality warnings in the area. Sources have told ESPN so that like yes, health alerts have been issued by officials in New York and New Jersey after wildfires from Canada which are impacting large parts of northeastern U.S. but Sunday's final between Argentina and Spain at MetLife Stadium, I'm sorry, at New York, New Jersey Stadium in East Rutherford is not concerning FIFA as the weather forecast improves. So that's the feeling is that it will be less intense and might get worse overnight into Saturday morning, but by Sunday it does feel like the winds or the whatever it is that the meteorologists will explain better than I can will move the smoke sort of out of our area enough for the air quality to not be a major issue.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Remain calm.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah,

[Peter Rosenberg]

I cannot picture a world in which they did anything to move that game.

[Alan Hahn]

It'd be very difficult.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It would have to be. I don't know what. It would have to be a blizzard. I don't know what they would do.

[Alan Hahn]

A blizzard in July would be. That would be a remarkable weather event.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. So short of that happening, which I don't think is going to happen. Yeah, they're not moving this final. It's just there's too much going on, which is good.

[Alan Hahn]

And for LeBron that's very important because, you know, we can't wait any longer

[Peter Rosenberg]

with his decision because he needs to wait until he has all the attention we got to get through the World Cup.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And fanatics fest now to the Aaron Judge of it all. Judge has said that the rib reimaging showed some progress, some healing going on, but not fully healed. So we're waiting on one more Dodger to take a look out of it and see how we progress the next couple of weeks. Asked if he's confident he'll play again this season, he said definitely. I don't see why I wouldn't.

[Alan Hahn]

Definitely is a key word here. Like, that's important that he said that, that he's speaking with that kind of confidence. Or at least I think he wants to make sure it's out there. Because, look, if you know him, you know he'll do whatever it takes to play. That's important. That's what a star does. What I worry about, of course, and I'm sure the Yankees probably have to worry about this as well, is, you know, you go on a run, you try to make a run in the. In the playoffs. If he is not hitting, is it because he's just not clutched, like everybody wants to say, or is it because the guy needed the whole month of September to knock off rust and get himself back into rhythm? Because he's missed, literally. This will be, what, three months if he returns late August, early September, and we haven't seen enough. We haven't seen significant enough healing to allow him to return to baseball activities. And we are two weeks from August, so we still got to give it. And some healing is not enough healing. And it's already been two months. So if we're into the middle of August and now he's finally showing enough that maybe he could start, you know, throwing the ball flat surface, maybe he can swing a little bit. It's still going to be a while before he's ramped up to the ability to play. October is now becoming, like, your target of maybe where he starts to feel normal again. Is it really fair to put that pressure and expectation on him to say, like, if he doesn't play well in the postseason, we're going to tack that on to all the past times in the postseason like this. This creates a very weird place for him and for the Yankees when it comes to his availability? Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'll say. I'll say. I mean, it's.

[Alan Hahn]

I feel like you can't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He said definitely. He said definitely. Yeah, but when someone says it says to you definitely, right? Versus they say definitely, dot, dot, dot. I don't see why I Couldn't or wouldn't? It feels like a slight edge to me.

[Alan Hahn]

Is that weird, you think for him? Well, the question was phrased, what do you think you'll return? Do you expect to return?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, I think it's. Do you expect to return?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, definitely. I expect it. Right. I expect it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But if you said, hey, you come into my party tomorrow, and then someone went, definitely, definitely done a new conversation,

[Alan Hahn]

why I wouldn't go nip.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What if they said it like this, you come to my party tomorrow, definitely. I can't see why I wouldn't. That's.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a. Yeah, yeah, we're going. Well, we're going. Semantics. But I'm looking at again, because we don't know. But the one thing we do know is narratives, and that's the part that I keep warning people about. You're a Yankees fan. Your expectations are always going to be high. You're going to have a high demand. I want Brian Cashman to not use Judge as an excuse for not making tough moves because, you know, you have not shown me that you have the ability to build out the bottom of the order. He has not been good at that. It's easy to chase stars, it's easy to get names. Name brand guys give me the supporting cash guys that are grinders, that are going to get into a playoff series and I'm not going to see the melt at the plate or in the field. That's what I need to see. And I haven't seen that. He's got to still find some pieces at this trade deadline so that when and if Judge returns, this is a team that you feel like in a weak American League, they should be able to compete. So I'm kind of glad that at least we're seeing some healing with Judge, because I take that takes the excuse off the table for Cashmere to go well, you know, we probably. We might not have Judge and I don't, you know, we're not going to. We're not going to sacrifice some piece. No, you like. This would be a time to go for it, especially with the uncertainty of next year and the way salary cap structures could be entered into the conversation with baseball. So that's what I want to see. And this opens the door for that. But if we get there and Judge isn't really Judge, his presence still is in the lineup, is valuable, but I don't want people to start calling him out. He's not clutch. The guy, if he ends up missing three months of baseball, shows up late in the year, and he's got to get his swing back and figure it all out in time for the postseason. I'll tell you what it would do, Peter. It sure would set up for a very dramatic story, wouldn't it? Let's say he comes back and he's fresh. His body feels great because his legs, he haven't had really run around a lot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know. I thought about that.

[Alan Hahn]

And he's a little more locked in with his swing because maybe he has to be a little bit more fundamental and he's just absolutely mashing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In other words, is there a potential bonus to him? Like there they managed to steady this thing and they. And they play well.

[Caller/Listener]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Get it together.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then they get to the playoffs and you get him back, let's say September 1st.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then he just shows up and by the time the playoffs hit, he's completely rolling. Sure, the season would end. He'd have his least impressive statistical season.

[Alan Hahn]

Who cares?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But who cares?

[Alan Hahn]

What if he has his best postseason. See, and his regular season was. Was nil. Because he was. And remember, that was a knock early on his career, too, about the fact that he got hurt a lot. So there's. There's a lot to this that's going to be fun to watch and interesting to watch. Going. Going along. Did you see this other. This Mets story?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What?

[Alan Hahn]

This is weird. This just popped up. And it's another one of these things with David Stearns. And it's also where baseball's headed that you don't have to be a Met fan to have a reaction to this. So Adam out of Vino, who pitched for both the Yankees and Met.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Alan Hahn]

But he did spend some time with the Mets. He was. He did an interview and he said that the Mets had been using an AI program that they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on on iPads to help batters identify pitches in real time. It basically is like predicting what the next pitch will be, what the pitch sequence would be, and all that stuff using AI. And why is that a story? Well, because the other day, and this kind of went under the radar because nobody really talked about it, but Major League Baseball outlawed the practice of using iPads during games to access artificial intelligence tools to use AI to shape in game strategy. So I guess teams were starting to do this, and the Mets were one of them. Okay. That they were like, okay. So when I just tell you that, and I told you already, Stearns has about eight guys that are like his. His geek squad. And he, like, they are the most valid the data scientists that he employs, and he deals with them almost exclusively. They have 26 different people that are doing analytics in that department. And he has like two scouts, doesn't talk to the scouts.

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[Alan Hahn]

He deals with these data scientists the most. And now somebody probably came up with the idea of like, you know, we can have this AI program that can predict pitches and we can really be ahead of the game. So what strategy is left that this is what we're doing. I know you're trying to win and you're trying to use technology to your advantage, but at what point are you like to like now you're telling a batter, I don't trust your eye. Do what? Do what you know, Gemini tells you to do or chat. GPT is telling you to do. And that takes away to me from what is the. One of the best things and the most compelling things about baseball. It used to be such a fun conversation to discuss strategy after a game. You know, he could have hit and run there. Why didn't he bumped him over? Well, like there was a lot of different. He could have pinch hit for this guy here. That was always a fun thing about baseball is discussing the strategy of baseball. You know, the, the ability for a batter to be down in the count early and then work like he was. He was down oh 2 and he worked a 32 count, had 9, 11 pitches, whatever it is, in the at bat and suddenly found his way with. To a walk. What a great. Like his eye, you know, was able to figure out what the pitcher was throwing and then he adjusted. By his second at bat, he was on it. Like there's stuff like that about baseball we love. And instead guys like David Stearns and others are trying to turn it completely into stratomatic where the, where the batter now doesn't have any type of mental strategy whatsoever. He's at the plate and he's just. Now, not only is it the managers being handed a lineup and being told, here's who you're supposed to put in the lineup, here's who you play today. But now the batter's being told, here are the pitches you're going to get. Be ready for these and just focus on that. It just. It's taking the soul out of the game, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's they at every moment.

[Alan Hahn]

Players are robots now. Managers robot. I mean, what was Carlos Mendoza. If this is what we're doing in the dugout, the iPad here, go look at the iPad. It'll tell you what pitches are coming. It's predicting all the pitches. This should follow. They have a ballplayer, man, let me be a ball player.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They have tried to do everything they can to make this game less interesting. And the only thing that they've done that they. It seems like they thought would make it more interesting, but they got it wrong was did whatever nonsense they did with the balls to help home runs.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So they thought that would be. And I understood what their logic was. Yeah, no, if we get more home runs, we'll be good. What they didn't realize was, is the people who like baseball. And again, this is sort of like the conversation we had about soccer. It's about being happy with what you have. The people who like baseball, they like a lot of the nerdy stuff. They want. They want to have sort of the stuff. The cultural stuff in the game. They. They want the gut in the game. They want managers who. Who get out there and make decisions. They want to see a manager standing on the mound, talking to a pitcher, making. Actually deciding things, not knowing what's. What's really being decided is being decided by an iPad.

[Caller/Listener]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just being delivered by a manager.

[Alan Hahn]

I want a manager who knows this player so well that despite the struggles he's going through, I'm like, I'm. I'm sticking with him because I know. I've seen him through this. He's gone through this. Like, that's what I want, and that's what the sport is. Is losing. And I get it. In the end, we all know, bottom line is winning. In the end, I know that's what it's supposed to be about, but if I'm Rob Manfred, if I'm any of these owners, I know winning matters.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I.

[Alan Hahn]

Of course it does. And if you can do whatever it takes to use numbers to your advantage to win, of course that's something that you want to have part of the equation. But what. Why can't we also just let the game still have a soul? Because that's way more compelling to let players figure it out, to let managers figure it out, to discuss strategy, to go with guts sometimes. Michael Case talked about it, though. Those are over.

[Caller/Listener]

Those are long.

[Alan Hahn]

We beg for it all the time. And. And baseball won't listen. They won't listen. And it's frustrating as all hell. It really is. And it might get worse, Peter, if there is a salary cap, because now you just can't outspend people to get the best players. It's maddening. But I saw this story, and I couldn't believe it. And just add this to the greatest hits of David Stearns. Now I wonder, you know what Pete Alonso really hit that home run against Devin Williams. Or was that just. AI told Pete Alonso what pitch was coming and he just knew to hit it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good old Steve in Middle Village wants to weigh in on this. Steve, what do you got?

[Caller/Listener]

I used to cover. Hi guys. I used to. I wasn't going to call because I had something about the All Star Game and whatever, but I used to be. I'm a retired editor, used to cover the tech industry and the whole thing about AI. I've thought about this for a long time and now I don't know what you said is coming to fruition. We're getting to the point I won't see it. I'm 70, I'll be 73, 20, 30 years from now. There won't be physical players anymore because you're getting that now. The manager is a middle manager. The owners are controlling everything from the owners. The. Yes, the owners are controlling everything through all of these people. It's not an athletic contest anymore. What you were saying about hit and run, bunt, all that stuff, it's all fun. I'm not old school like that. But the mystery and the, and the, and the enjoyment of the game, it's all two dimensional now, One dimensional now. There's no strategy involved or it, the games are boring. It's always the same thing. And if you question it, people like, unfortunately the Yankees and probably many others are saying, well, you don't really understand the game. Telling that the customers. Well, I'm a customer of the, of the. I was about to say a big word. Don't say I'm a customer. And they're telling me that I'm don't know the game anymore. Maybe I don't because it isn't the game that I remember playing anyway. I'll shut the hell up.

[Alan Hahn]

No, but it's Steve. Everything you're saying, though, everything you're saying, Steve, we've heard from for years from fans. And it's almost like some fans have kind of just been beaten down to a point. Like you just heard his voice, he's surrendered because you just, you know, I'm wasting my energy. They're not listening to me anymore. And those who defend baseball, I defy you to tell me why you would defend this. I defy you because it's ridiculous how many fans get so mad. Like no one will ever let you just have any criticism about their sport. They take it so personal and it's, it's you try to explain to them, like, you don't. You think that everything's fine? You know, it's not fine. Look at the Mets. Look what they've become. All because a guy said, I'm gonna. I'm gonna run a team using a computer as my main resource rather than years of experience and knowledge.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It drives me crazy, and I really relate to his.

[Alan Hahn]

What Brian does with the bottom of the order drives me. That also makes me mad. Going into a season, we have two lefty catches. Come on. You know, that's not the way to do it. It's. There's just little things they. I'm smarter than you. I know more than you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that was the part. That was the part that Steve mentioned that I feel like I've heard a million times.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is the. You know, and Michael will do this sometimes in all baseball, and you don't understand. This is what they want. It doesn't matter what you think, because this is what they want.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, Michael has that resignation in his voice, too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he does. He's not saying it because he agrees with that. It's the way. But it's still frustrating for people to hear it told to them by other people who they know love the game.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because, like, yes, Michael's right, and everybody who says it is right, but that doesn't mean it is right. He is right, but it's not right.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they don't want to be told, as the person who, like, consumes this game, that you don't know what it is yet. The thing that you thought, the thing that you supported, the thing that you spent your money on, the thing that you got your kids to be into and your grandkids to be into.

[Anthony]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's not that anymore. And why do you not just want to accept it how it is, even if you don't really enjoy the way it is? And it will be the way it was in moments. And that's one of the things that I find so odd about it is like, seems like we get deep in the playoffs, and these teams that do really well, all of a sudden they start playing baseball. The way we all watched it.

[Alan Hahn]

It's so true.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The deeper you get in the playoffs, the more it becomes what baseball was.

[Alan Hahn]

The versatility is the most important thing because series to series, your matchups are different. The way teams play the pitchers that you're facing. If you play the same way, guess what, you're easy to play against. And I look no further than the Boston Celtics. Eventually, people figure it out and they stop you. And the Yankees have always felt like that, where it's like they really only play one way. When they're at their best, they play one way. And that's again, as a fan, that's, that's hard, that's hard to deal with. I still can't get over the Dodgers mocking them after that World Series,

[Anthony]

but

[Alan Hahn]

their response was what to do the same thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, run it back.

[Alan Hahn]

And they still find ways to struggle in the field at times, and they look bad.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don will be back from his big staycation. I wonder how I'll feel about this drop playing all week.

[Anthony]

I'm guessing not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He has to appreciate why it's a great drop, though.

[Anthony]

I would think so. I would hope so. It's out of love and affection.

[Ad Voice]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, and I've said. I think he's. I think he's in key there.

[Anthony]

Alan doesn't agree with you on that. In key.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But no, Alan's. Alan thinks he's kind of pitchy.

[Anthony]

Dude.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not saying. Yeah, I'm not saying on that part. I think that part was fine. I think there were other. Other parts of the song where I don't think he could hear himself.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's. That's the. That's the excuse you're using.

[Alan Hahn]

What is that? You said it's away from, you know, the what. What could have been a. A glorious melody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you think. You think he came up short as a result of that? And you're blaming the.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I don't see. I know what you're doing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm doing.

[Alan Hahn]

You're looking for content next week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I learned this. Isn't this what reporters do? Like in the lock? You know, you go in, you say, hey, I heard that X, Y, and Z and try to have a Little conversation, you know.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. Yeah. You always go for what's. How did he react?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, we're going to find out next week.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm just asking the question.

[Anthony]

That's it.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I'm asking you.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

That's why everyone loves. That's why everyone loves the media so much. All right, let's talk to the people here about this Aaron Judge news. Judge is going to have to be reevaluated. Supposedly some improvement, but he's not all the way better. However, he says he's very confident that he will be back. Let's go to our buddy Jonathan in la, see what he has to say. Jonathan, what's good?

[Caller/Listener]

Hi, guys. Hi. I think Aaron Judge needs to put some vapor up and call it a day. And let's go. That's when men were men. Bring back the old day.

[Alan Hahn]

Put some tussin on.

[Caller/Listener]

Just kidding. There you go. You know what, man? Any. Any positive news is good news for us. For. I take it like that. I took that as great news, you know, so as long as it's not getting worse or, you know. Yeah, as long as it's not getting worse. I'm good with that. And Alan, you, as a Yankee fan, I think the Yankees should get a page from the Dodgers. Last year, most of the players came back late August, in September, and what happened in. In the playoffs, they were fully healthy, man. So I'd rather. I'd rather let this happen right now and get my guys come back freed in early September like that. They'll ramp up and we have a good, good, good October. Also, one more thing, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yo.

[Caller/Listener]

Recommend. I'm not sure if you watched this yet, man. Dark side of the Ring.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I knew.

[Caller/Listener]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I knew you were gonna say it. I watched. I've watched part one. I have not watched part. I've watched all part one, part of

[Alan Hahn]

part two, and then they have part.

[Caller/Listener]

There's three of them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, no, I heard three, two. Yeah, yeah. But there's a lot there. Thank you, Jonathan. We appreciate you, buddy.

[Caller/Listener]

Thank you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The great Jonathan in la. Let's go to Liam in Bayonne. What's up, Liam?

[Caller/Listener]

How's it going, fellas? Nice. I can breathe again this afternoon.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Say it again. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Alan Hahn]

It was definitely the smoke and all that there was different. Yeah. But I don't know about tomorrow, so enjoy it today while you can.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah. Anyway, I just want to go back to your conversation about the analytics. I think for me, I kind of identified a point maybe in like the mid to late 2000s, when, like, that whole thing was, like, fresh and it was breaking, like, in movies and, like, the media and stuff. Like, you had the documentary about the Red Sox winning that year, and they were, you know, analytically driven or Moneyball in 2012. And it was cool because, like, at the time, like, in the late 2000s is when you started seeing, like, the Rays in the World Series and stuff like that.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

And I think fans are frustrated now because, like, it was, like, fresh and it was a new perspective. But now, like, now that everyone's done it, it's kind of made the game plateau. And the same people who made the game plateau are telling everyone else, like, you're still not as smart as us, but we know what we see.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I mean? Yep. Yeah, it. That. I think that's always the problem because, look, trends are something that you see. Everybody then copies them. It's like, oh, look how they did it. Let's. Let's do what they did. And of course, it always is with the smaller market franchises that don't have to spend a ton of money. That's the, you know, or don't want to spend a ton of money. And the Rays were a great example of it. But I also think Kevin Cash was a really good manager who made a lot of decisions based on his. His baseball acumen. Like, they were. I know they were following numbers there, just like they were following numbers in Oakland and everywhere else that this became a thing. And in Boston, of course, we know that too, but I just. I just feel like all of sports uses analytics, but baseball is the one that uses it to a point where almost their players are robotic. And I think the skill is. The skill that's there is always going to be there. But the. The player IQ is still a big part of a sport, and I think it just kind of sometimes takes away the compelling part of it. And this AI thing about what pitches are coming, that really bothered me because if I was a player, I'd be mad that that gets out, because now I could second guess whether or not a clutch hit was based off of your eye, your batter's eye. Or was it you were just told what to do because the computer told you what to do?

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, well, we have someone who's a real person telling us some things. That's Aaron Boone spoke in the pre game, of course. Yankees, Dodgers tonight at the stadium. Here's Boone's thoughts on judge not being ready for baseball activity yet.

[Alan Hahn]

Good that there's healing. And then hopefully we get to A point where the baseball activities start and we start ramping up, but obviously we're not there yet. So, yeah, we'll just, you know, continue to wait and let it heal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are you convinced, Aaron, that Judge will

[Alan Hahn]

be back this season? Yeah, I feel good about the fact that he'll be back, but it's just a matter of when.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How brutal is it waiting for your best offensive player?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I mean, obviously, we all want Aaron Judge back in the lineup, but as I've said, we have a lot of capable players and, you know, feel like finish. Finish the half on a. On a high note and. And we just have to continue to play well and hopefully continue to win ball games and then knowing that, you know, at some point he'll join us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, what. Honestly, Alan, you know, with respect to Boonie, not much more. He said what you say, what else?

[Alan Hahn]

Of course. Of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's not ideal.

[Alan Hahn]

Look, it's also getting Freed back. It's getting Radon back. It's. It's. It's trying to get Stanton back, who had a setback as well. So there's a lot that goes beyond the judge part of it, but you've still got a lot of games to play. You still have enough to be competitive, especially in the trash that is the American League. And this. You know, look, you got a series starting this weekend. You got two of your aces going. Cole tonight and Schlitler on Sunday, and you got two nationally televised games Sunday. Think about that. Sunday's game against the Dodgers is going to be on NBC. The Sunday night baseball.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And it's coming off of the world cup on Fox, like, which probably sports. Yeah, that's a. It's a pretty big deal. So, you know, like, there's still big games to be played, and you still got to be competitive and stay in this freaking thing and see if you can get healthy at the end of the year. I thought I forget the caller, but he made a great point. Like, the Dodgers kind of went through a lot of injuries last year and just meandered through the season and. But then when they got healthy at the right time, they hit their stride. All you can hope for is for the Yankees that you get something like that, but you got to get judged to where he's cleared to do some baseball activities. And we're two weeks from August.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Speaking of Schlitler.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A Taco Bell faces its first lawsuits over diarrhea causing contaminated lettuce.

[Alan Hahn]

I see what you did there.

[Anthony]

How about their fault, though?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's Explosive came from the farms. Explosive schlitler. You know what I mean?

[Alan Hahn]

It didn't just come from the farm. Like, apparently Taylor Farms, they have actually identified where exactly the shredded iceberg lettuce came from. Like, you know, look again. We. We have a lot of great technology we can use to our advantage. We have great investigators, and they were able to find that this is Taylor Farms. Lettuce stores that carry it include Walmart, Costco, Target, Whole Foods, all of them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why is a Taco Bell?

[Anthony]

That's what I'm saying.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

I don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

Because McDonald's also has it. Chipotle has it. KFC, Pizza Hut, Red Lobster. Why do you have shredded lettuce with red lobster?

[Anthony]

Salads.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, salads.

[Alan Hahn]

Shredded lettuce, though, maybe lobster rolls. Olive Garden and various other chains.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All the places that you go, by the way. All of this supporting an idea that I think we should all employ. Just don't get lettuce at these places.

[Anthony]

I assume that Taylor Farms Whole Foods lettuce is the same price that it is at Target and Walmart. Correct.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know why.

[Anthony]

Well, Whole Foods is supposed to be healthier, right? Yeah, but you're getting the same iceberg lettuce from.

[Alan Hahn]

You get washed, as they say, you're getting the same.

[Anthony]

Well, apparently it should have been washed a little harder.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, maybe the fourth. You need the fourth wash. You're getting the same. The same schlitler at all the places, no matter where it is. No, but yeah, this is. I don't like seeing this. And you know what, Anthony? I truly appreciate your level of defense of Taco Bell.

[Anthony]

I will defend them.

[Alan Hahn]

He's.

[Anthony]

I'll get crunchwrap. No lettuce today. Anthony's solidarity.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's how you do it.

[Alan Hahn]

You could tell him explosive Diary and he'll say, I don't care. I need my Taco Bell. I'll deal with it.

[Anthony]

Let him learn the way I learned.

[Alan Hahn]

Poor Brittany.

[Caller/Listener]

Oh, my God.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, my poor guy. Danhausen.

[Alan Hahn]

What happened now? What'd he do?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just see a post here from wwe. Join Danhausen as he leads an uncursing parade through NYC this Saturday before Saturday night's main event.

[Alan Hahn]

Uncursing? Didn't he already uncurse the.

[Anthony]

Can he make the smoke go away?

[Alan Hahn]

Can. Can he? Well, let him. Let him be at Citi Field. Maybe he needs to go around that place.

[Anthony]

I don't think you're here. Were you here for that, Alan? No, you weren't.

[Alan Hahn]

What happened?

[Anthony]

We asked Danhausen his price for uncursing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, about the monies.

[Anthony]

It was, was it, was it a million or 2 million in human monies? Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think he needed a million human.

[Alan Hahn]

You know why? It's because he knows how difficult it would be. His powers are only so strong and he might actually be getting weaker after what he had to do for the Knicks. Imagine, look what that took out of him.

[Anthony]

I think he's put how many people in comatose since. Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's, it's been, it's. A lot of people are in a bad way with the cursing and the uncursing. But anyways, I just like. I can't believe Dan how's gonna be marching through the streets uncursing on Saturday

[Alan Hahn]

while it's raining, dirty rain.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He needs to uncurse New York again. Because right now we're not in a great spot.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I think we're in a great spot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Great spot to hear from Dick.

[Caller/Listener]

Allen, Peter Allen. In my history of watching basketball, the only player that I can think of that played just like LeBron James, like a bull in a china shop. Not much finess, you know, drive to the basket, full force power, beautiful body. The player I'm thinking of George McInnes. Do you remember that name from the old ABA?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I remember the name. I don't. I don't remember the player. It's obviously McGinnis is famously or infamously the reason why the knicks never got Dr. J when the Nets needed to sell him off so they can get into the aba.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, he was a whole court case. It was like the people out.

[Alan Hahn]

I remember the Knicks wanted to start. It was a huge mistake they made back then, but they made a lot of them back then.

[Caller/Listener]

And he was the first guy. ABA came from India. He left school early. That was controversial. A little after Spencer Haywood, but only a year or two after. But what a body. Just like LeBron James. I mean, you can see that. No basketball player looked like him. Fellas, I got to ask you something. I go to a Yankee game on a Sunday afternoon. Am I the only one, and I mean it, the only one in the whole stadium with a transistor radio? Nobody brings a transistor radio because how

[Alan Hahn]

can you watch your book, Richard?

[Caller/Listener]

How do you watch a ball game live?

[Alan Hahn]

You're the only one that has a transistor radio. People listen to games on their phones now.

[Caller/Listener]

Oh, is that okay? I don't hear them. I don't see them listening.

[Alan Hahn]

They have an earbud in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I Don't.

[Alan Hahn]

They're not playing out loud.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, I. By the way, I think. I think you're wrong, Alan. It would be way too delayed. I think. I just think people don't. Don't appreciate the art of it. I think. Richard, Richard, I think it's a. The end of that era. I don't think people appreciate ballpark with

[Alan Hahn]

the headset, but I would think that especially the delay is fine. All you're looking for is to hear whatever pertinent statistics or some type of information, injury information that you might receive. But I guess all you got to do is check social media instead. But if you're somebody that wants to hear the game call, wouldn't the transistor radio also be slightly delayed?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Barely.

[Anthony]

Well, at least on the Mets have actually announced this. Announced this. This year, guys in the ballpark app, which is if you guys have gone to baseball games recently, kind of how you have to get your tickets now. They have found a way that if you're inside Citi Field and everybody knows what the Geo, you know, location servicing, you can figure it out. You can listen in real time to Howie on 880.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Anthony]

In real time. So you can. If you wanted to hear how we call the game and you pop your earbud in, you can hear it at City Field.

[Alan Hahn]

Why wouldn't you want that?

[Anthony]

Now, you could go Richard's way with the transistor radio, and I can't imagine that there are a bunch of people that enjoy that around them at a baseball game.

[Alan Hahn]

Is that transistor radio that. Is that a 9 volt? Are we going 9 volt?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

And does anything need 9 volt anymore? By the way, remember that used to be like the most popular of all the batteries now? Aaa, all the Christmas stuff, I mean. And by the way, in the 80s, if you needed 6D batteries, if you wanted to get your boombox work.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, of course. Just ask. Do the right thing.

[Alan Hahn]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Radio Raheem. Was it six?

[Alan Hahn]

He might have needed eight D. I

[Peter Rosenberg]

said D. D, Mickey Ficky D.

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. The Yankee stuff is interesting because it's already starting to now you know the next step. So you have the judge news and that's good. And now it's what are they going to do before the upcoming trade deadline? You guys are going to be busy the next week with this stuff. And Mason Miller is an interesting name because they do have Bednar, but Miller's a better closer and he's available, or could be available. What's it going to cost? But still, that's critical in the postseason, as we've learned. And Bednar has been he's had moments, but he's also been a little sketchy. So that's one catcher righty catcher is going to be another part of it. Who is that is a critical need for this team. And Ryan Jeffers is one with the Twins, but the Twins just refuse to die. They're not going anywhere. Although he is going to be a free agent. So what are they going to do? Are they going to stick with them and try to, you know, be a playoff team or are they going to move them? And there's a report from George Castillo that Hunter Goodman, who's with the Rockies, that the Yankees have inquired about him. So what? Knowing Cashmen, they'll go with the cheaper, the cheaper way to go. But that's, you know, those are the things that I'm expecting the Yankees to really look in, look for bullpen help, maybe even back end. But the righty catcher thing is a huge part of the story and we know Wells has really struggled and that's going to be a big part of what they do going forward. I don't know how much more they're going to do. I don't think it's going to be a third baseman. I don't think they're going to add another big bat in the outfield. I think it's strictly needs. And one area that's not a need that everybody keeps talking about is Tarek Skubal. I never saw it as a need. I don't think they have to. Max Freed, as I told you, is. He's, he's already on the rehab front. In fact, I think it's tonight right in Scranton Wilkes Barre that he's going to start. He's going to get a rehab stint so, you know, he'll be back. They don't need starting pitching. And now it doesn't sound like the school was going to be on the move. So these aren't going to be big headline grabbing type trades. Miller would be, but they're going to be moves that this team is going to need to make if they want to be taken seriously as a true contender. That's the stuff I'd keep an eye on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's going to be an interesting week and who knows where the, where the Mets are in a week as well.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, I'm telling you, that fire sale is going to be fun.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love a Logan fire sale.

[Alan Hahn]

You do?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh yeah. What fan? I'm sure all the Mets fans are going to be thrilled to watch all their, all the players they've known.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, wait a minute. They've already lost all the ones they like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, most of them, Peter.

[Alan Hahn]

Nobody's. What do you mean? Who are you going to be upset with if they move on from who's left that you care.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I guess on the. I guess the list of five that we know they're supposedly keeping.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Ewing and Benj are the guys you don't want to lose.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Anthony]

I think there's got to be some. If Alvarez goes, there's probably some people that like Alvarez.

[Alan Hahn]

I liked him. I'll tell you what, he had a nice night last night, didn't he?

[Anthony]

Sure did.

[Alan Hahn]

He first came up, it seemed like they found their catcher for the future. And then it just. It just didn't. It didn't hit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Also, I will say, I think there. I know that people are disappointed. I'm sure there are people who still like Lindor, I think, and will be bummed about it. And even if they think it's the right move or like, oh, I hate

[Alan Hahn]

that it turned out well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, and if you listen to Ken Rosenthal, he might not go at all.

[Alan Hahn]

It all depends, I think, on the future of Major League Baseball salary system.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I think it's going to depend on. And I'll tell you what I told you in other leagues I've covered when they've done this and gone to a cap system, there's been some sort of amnesty provision that you can get out of a contract that you feel is an albatross or one that just won't fit for you and gives you some wiggle room. And that's your question. If you're the Mets, who would that guy be? It's not going to be Soto. Maybe it's Lindor. You get out of that contract, then you don't have to worry about. Then he just signs with somebody else. He still gets his money, but we're still some of it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the earliest we would get to that would be the summer.

[Alan Hahn]

The summer. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, this offseason, the winter, and

[Alan Hahn]

then who knows how long. And you might be right, though the first thing you said was not maybe a Freudian slip. Could be summer by the time they've come to a deal. In agreement.

[Anthony]

Peter, ready for another MLB CBA negotiation about.

[Alan Hahn]

Imagine the spring, where thoughts of playoffs in the winter sports and baseball collective bargaining.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, but at least you have the other sports and maybe a Knicks team that's competing again. God willing, one of these hockey teams is doing something.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe Don and his devil's going to run. He doesn't have to worry about his Mets because he's too focused on that. That'd be great. Distract you from all that. And by the time we turn our eyes, our lonely eyes to baseball. They're ready to play. Finally, in July.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's go to Kenny online.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't have to watch an All Star game, which is nice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right. You'll get your dreams. Yeah. Kenny, what do you got?

[Caller/Listener]

Oh, man. My question is with. Well, first of all, everybody been wishing for orange and blue skies. So, you know, we got orange and blue skies for the Knicks. You know, that's.

[Alan Hahn]

Orange sky was orange last night, I'll tell you that. Kenny,

[Caller/Listener]

Do you think the Knicks should do to keep the. Keep the championship rolling? And then, Peter, what is your app so I can follow. So I want to get the. You have a wrestling app that I want to listen to. What is it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I have a wrestling. What do you want to listen to?

[Caller/Listener]

No, you don't. Don't you have an app? I remember you talking about an apple, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

An app.

[Alan Hahn]

You have an app.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Caller/Listener]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

It's called Cheap Heat.

[Caller/Listener]

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You can find it anywhere. Yeah, it's on. It's on SiriusXM on Fridays, repeats on Saturdays. But you can find it wherever you find podcasts. Cheap Heat.

[Alan Hahn]

There you go, Kenny. So there's that. Thanks, Kenny. Moves.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, what moves, Alan?

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, I think you've kind of maxed out on moves to. To this point, and now you're waiting to see how things shake out. And look, can you get a good, capable second or third center that could help you feel like, okay, you might have lost Mitchell Robinson, but you were able to make up some of what he brings. I think. I think that just sets them up to be, you know, the team to beat in the East. I think they really already are. But size matters in the postseason. It matters in a lot of things in life, but it's to me, for the Knicks. That's the one thing about them that does concern you, Drummond, you know, can be picked on defensively, towns get into foul trouble. You still need a third seven footer. How do they get one that is capable enough to be a factor?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's go to Dave in the car. What's up, Dave?

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, what's up, guys? I just want to bounce this off you. I bounced off a few other calls shows earlier, but I got Giants friends and I'm telling them they need to pump the brakes. I. I think that Harbaugh is a Hall of Fame coach, but a lot of that has to do with having one of the most elusive players in the league on your sideline. More elusive than Barry Sanders, Michael Vick, and Gail Sayers. All right, no super bowl, but you had a super player on your team for a long time. Andy Reid didn't get a Super bowl too. He got a super player. You're on a Giants team right now with everything and expertise he's bringing over from the Ravens. Pump the brakes. You're putting Dart out there. Scatter. Boo. No one is elite on this Giants team. No one. Now, they can round in the form and get coached up. But I really think the expectations for the Giants even in five years, I think people need to slow down and understand this might be more than a little bit more of a painful process, especially if Lamar Jackson wins the super bowl without having hardball on the sideline. Let me know your thoughts, Dave.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll tell you what, because we got E N coming up. I, I love this and I want to do this at 6:30 after he and.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, you're gonna remember that.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's. Let's put a pin in this because I got a lot to say to that. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the

[Alan Hahn]

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