Hour 3: Knicks & Mark Ronson

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: Knicks & Mark Ronson (June 11, 2026)

ESPN New York | Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg

Episode Theme:
A lively, emotionally-charged discussion of the New York Knicks’ historic Game 4 comeback win, its place in New York sports lore, and how it galvanized the city. The crew is joined by famed music producer and lifelong Knicks fan Mark Ronson for an on-the-ground perspective of the unforgettable night at Madison Square Garden.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Major New York Sports Moments and Their Significance

• Comparing Legendary Moments:
  The hosts analyze whether OG Anunoby’s game-winning tip-in ranks alongside iconic local and national sports moments such as the Tyree helmet catch, Buckner’s error, Nystrom’s goal, and others in NYC lore.

  • Alan Hahn: “If they win [the title], [OG’s tip-in] will be the signature moment for sure… all the other ones that we mentioned came in signature moments of a championship, the helmet catch, the Bobby Nystrom.” (10:09)
  • Peter Rosenberg: “Was the bridge really moving? …You felt the whole floor moving. It was insane. It felt a little dangerous. But at that moment, it’s only fun.” (17:06)

• Signature Play Criteria:
  OG’s tip-in is compared to key moments in other sports, debating whether a signature play needs a championship victory to be immortalized.

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2. Social Media Misinformation & Sports (06:00-07:00, 20:51-21:41)

• Concerns About Viral Highlights:
  The crew debates whether dramatic video clips of “Wemby” (Victor Wembanyama) were real or AI-altered, highlighting growing distrust of social media.

  • Alan: “I can't take it anymore. Like I don't know what's real.” (06:23)
  • Don: “At least that [app], right? …I don't know what to believe anymore. And you used to have the verified check, but now… you paid seven bucks to have a verified check.” (06:39)

• Resolving the Wemby Debate:
  Later, after seeing alternate angles, they confirm the play wasn’t as egregious and was simply the camera angle.

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3. Knicks’ Historic Comeback in Game 4 (07:17-16:00, 26:25-37:05, 40:45-49:52)

• Fan Reactions:
  Listeners call in to share their euphoric experiences at the Garden (“The bathroom attendant on the Chase Bridge was hugging us and celebrating,” 16:00).
  Mark Ronson describes Seventh Avenue as “life-affirming,” likening it to moments of political or cultural triumph.

  • Ronson: “It felt like being at Coachella, nobody was moving. It was just a block of a thousand or two thousand people. …It was just life affirming.” (26:32)

• Analyzing Turning Points:
  The hosts and Ronson recap the moments when the comeback became “real”—the incremental scoring runs and crowd energy shifts.

  • Ronson: “At the half when [the deficit] was 27… I just looked at [my wife]… I just was like, I don’t think so.” (28:08)
  • Alan: “Once it got under 20, the whole arena’s like, we got this.” (29:43)

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4. Cultural/Civic Impact: New York City United

• Civic Joy and Shared Emotion:
  The entire city is portrayed as united by the Knicks’ improbable run, more so than even the Giants’ Super Bowl or Rangers' Cup win, due to its rare, emotional nature.
  • Alan: “All throughout the Tri-State area, there are watch parties… school children are told, today is blue and orange day. Wear your Knicks colors. Everybody’s doing it…” (48:51)

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5. The Afterglow: Madison Square Garden as Community Nexus

• Sinatra Singalong & Mass Celebration:
  After the game, celebrities, former NBA players and average fans mingled on the Garden floor. When “New York, New York” played, everyone stopped to sing together—a spontaneous communal moment.
  • Alan: “Suddenly Sinatra starts… and for a moment, everyone stopped talking and just sang. Became a sing-along. And it was such a cool moment.” (35:47)
  • Ronson: “I think I was so busy hugging anyone around me… the whole night was just, it was magical.” (35:47)
• Ronson on the Power of the Night:
  Mark Ronson likens the mood to Obama’s 2008 election night celebrations in New York.

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6. Hot Takes & Lighter Moments

• Speech Rankings Detour (01:02–05:55):
  The show opens with a riff on famous American speeches—MLK’s “I Have a Dream,” Nixon's “Checkers,” sports movie speeches (Al Pacino in “Any Given Sunday,” Bill Pullman in “Independence Day”)—playfully debated as a comic aside.

• Betting and Superstitions (11:29-15:50):
  Callers and hosts discuss gambling strategies around the Knicks’ run, with detours into family arguments and “good luck” charms.

• Celebrity Fandom Debated:
  The crew jokes about celebrities like Taylor Swift and Jake Gyllenhaal celebrating at the game, asking if their Knicks fandom is “real” or performative.

  • Peter: “They’ve been New Yorkers for 11 seconds… Taylor Swift, no matter what you say about it, she’s been at the games for years.” (44:17)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamp Highlights

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Moment | |-----------|---------|----------------| | 07:53 | Alan Hahn | “If they win Saturday or anytime during signature play, this will be the signature play. Like, like the helmet catch…” | | 16:00 | Listener John | “Everyone’s hugging everyone. The bathroom attendant on the Chase bridge was hugging us and celebrating with us— that was a moment I’ll never forget.” | | 26:32 | Mark Ronson | “It was just like, I don’t know, reminded me of, like, 2008 when Obama won the election… those rare nights when the energy is just so incredible.” | | 31:33 | Mark Ronson | “I think it was really one of those times when time stood still…There was this look around, like, did that happen?” (OG’s tip-in) | | 35:47 | Alan Hahn | “Sinatra starts. …And for a moment, everyone stopped talking and just sang. Became a singalong. And it was such a cool moment.” | | 48:51 | Alan Hahn | “All throughout the Tri-State area, there are watch parties. …Everybody's doing it. There's, there's people at work doing it. And it's. Everyone wants to.” |

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:02–05:55: Comedy segment on all-time great speeches, mixing sports and pop culture.
• 06:00–07:00: AI/viral video debate on Wembanyama (“Wemby”).
• 07:17–13:50: Comparing OG’s tip-in to Buckner, Tyree, Nystrom, and other New York sports moments.
• 11:29–15:50: Gambling stories, calls from listeners, superstition debates.
• 16:00–18:25: First-hand fan stories from the Garden.
• 26:25–37:05: Mark Ronson interview—description of the Garden, crowd energy, the tip-in, and postgame citywide celebration.
• 40:45–49:52: Debating what game/which moment will be remembered, and the place of this Knicks run in NYC sports history.

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Tone & Language

• Passionate, humorous, conversational—even irreverent at times.
• Deeply local: heavy emphasis on New York fan culture, city identity, and “we”-ness.
• Emotional resonance: continual references to community, family tradition, personal memories.

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Memorable/Defining Moments & Quotes

• Mark Ronson (on the atmosphere):
  “It was just life affirming… those rare nights when the energy is just so incredible.”
• Alan Hahn (on unity):
  “There are school children who are told, today is blue and orange day. Wear your Knicks colors. And everybody’s doing it.”
• Peter Rosenberg (on being present):
  “There’s something about sharing a moment with other people that, you know, are just as psychotic about it… The amount of joy that everybody had…”

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Final Thought

This episode captures the life and soul of New York sports fandom at a historical peak, weaving in humor, nostalgia, debate, and raw emotion. The Knicks’ comeback is not only breaking news, but a social event, a mass catharsis shared by generations. Through both personal recollections and analytic debate, Hahn, Rosenberg, Don, and guest Mark Ronson build a case for this game—and this team—as something that will echo in the city's story forever.

Transcript

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Metzis win. They win five four over the Cardinals. So they salvage one game in a three game set. Yankees off Liberty visit the Dream at 7:30. The Dream. Where do the Dream play? You got it.

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Come on, what's it based on? Great speech.

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Oh, I have a dream. So we're talking dc?

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No, no, but you're on the right track.

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Well, he gave that speech.

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Yeah, Washington gave it there. But where's he from?

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Charger?

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Falcon, la. Wait a minute. Now you're just confused. Where is Martin Luther King from? Yeah, Alabama. There's no team in Alabama. Where is he from?

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Atlanta.

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He's from Georgia.

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Oh, the Atlanta Dream. Oh, Georgia.

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Yeah.

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No, I'm.

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No.

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Oh, Georgia. It's stupid. No, I knew there's a drop. No, because oh, Georgia. It popped it. Listen. Oh, George, it doesn't sound right to say I'm a fan, but because he was more important than just somebody I like.

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I'm a fan. I don't exactly follow him.

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I am somebody.

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I don't follow him on social media, but I like his work.

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I'm kind of a geek. Well, listen, he was a great man, sir, of course. But I am kind of a geek about well known speeches. Like, I actually had a CD of like great speeches.

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Well, I'm gonna go ahead and put this one near the top of the list.

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Well, yeah, this is. This is.

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I'm going to step all the way out of the limb here.

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But I was thrown out where he was. All right, so the. I don't care, you know what? But you know what? I want to respect the dream and say they're from Atlanta.

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I'd like to live the dream.

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Not a big fan of Atlanta though. I was there a few times. I'm good.

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Love the artist, the Dream.

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Well.

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Well, I mean, it was a tone, huh?

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Yeah, it was a little tone. There was a little tone of I'm better.

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All right. The tone was not intentional, I doubt.

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But listen, I could not be less serious. But now you bothered me because now you're taking it.

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What's the second?

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No, I know.

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I'm joking.

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I got two hours sleep, man. I'm just trying to get through here.

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Just trying to get.

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I'm riding your coattails right now.

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It was top five, top five famous speeches. Where's is I have a dream number one?

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Yeah.

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Over four score in seven years. I think so.

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Yeah. Because there's no audio, so they put it at a disadvantage.

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No, it's a great point.

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What about Churchill? Where's that one?

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Well, not America.

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That was. That's a great American speeches. The other one is Nixon's checkers speech. Checkers is the dog that was in front of the fire. But that's like a big speech. Listen, I've kind of fallen out of it in recent years, but when I was in college, I was a big speech guy, okay? And it's the gold standard. What about the gold standard?

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Where is then the luckiest man on the face of the earth speech?

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It would be there. Ruth had a good speech, too.

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It's in there. Is it in the top five or is it an honorable mention?

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What are you checking out?

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It's. I'll give you my. How about when? We'll wait.

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Tom, when are we doing this book, man?

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I know, we got to do the top.

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Come on.

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This is a great one to put in. The book will be there for sure. There's. There's that Al Pacino that inch speech from any given Sunday.

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So you're counting that. No, I'm not. Oh, because I love that speech.

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I. I've said it.

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What about Bill Pullman and Independence Day?

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Where's his speech?

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Yeah, how about Rocky to his son? You know, about how, like, they'll knock you down, but it's not how many times you fall down or the.

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Or the Rocky speech for the Russians? If I can change you, we can all change.

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That's among the

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Russian translator.

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Yeah, that's excited. That movie should have ended five minutes early. Well, I can give you. I give you a good top five at some point.

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But somebody told me that Wemby is like Drago.

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Why?

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You know, one B does give a

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little bit of Drago energy.

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He's gotten more nosily as the series is going on. Right.

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By the way, have you seen the one move? The pick.

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The.

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The video moving around today on step thing?

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Looks like he tried to break. Oh, geez ankle.

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I don't know if that's AI or not.

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You think it could be AI?

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That looked really dramatic.

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I don't remember seeing it in real time. Yeah, but that looks like something I would have noticed.

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That looked like something out of a kung fu movie.

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But the angle's weird.

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Yeah, Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Could have happened.

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Yeah, but you know what? So what?

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But he's getting more and more nausely as this series.

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Yeah.

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I'm just saying if it's real. I'm looking at it right now.

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This B. AI.

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Doesn't that look really dramatic?

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It does.

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Yeah. You know what?

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Like nobody reacted to that.

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How would that happen? And no one reacted to it.

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Looks like he's.

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He's.

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That's like a jump kick,

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you know,

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that's a Mortal Kombat move.

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You know what?

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I think you're right. It is AI.

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I gotta tell you, it is.

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I'm watching it again and I'm pausing it.

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Does it flicker it like.

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Yeah, it doesn't make sense where his leg lands.

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It's just not. It's not.

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Yeah, finish him.

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Yeah, that's.

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It's fake.

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I can't take it anymore. Like I don't know what's real. Honestly. Again, so close to the tweet. Stay tuned.

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Oh, no, don't. I'm with you. Cannot wait to hit delete on the app. Just delete.

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Well, at least that. Right. Like Peter's already doesn't have it on his phone. Like I'm thinking of maybe just doing that. Yeah, but it does help. But it's not even like the cesspool that it is. Like, I don't know what to believe anymore.

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That too.

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And you used to have the verified check, but now. Yo, yo, TO paid seven bucks can have the verified check. So that doesn't help you. Yeah, whatever the price is. Yeah, but let's get back to the busy phone. Five o' clock hour. We saw one of the greatest sports moments in New York history. And it might be even up there in sports, period. But with it being A game four probably a little less dramatic around the country but for a Knick fan to for OG tip back we're talking this

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is Nick, this is New York moment, right? This is a good like I'm. I'd love to hear from people who want to make the comparison. Like there's some of us who are old enough to remember gets by Buckner, right? Like do you have that or the Tyree catch? I think everybody's should be old enough that that's able to call in.

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Yeah, of course.

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Like to remember that the labor at home runs a big one as well. That that Tyree catch man that that's. You got to remember just how dramatic that was. And it wasn't like you said earlier, it wasn't the game winning touchdown. It was just to keep the drive alive. And that's sort of what OG's tip is. It didn't win the championship but it keeps the drive alive.

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If they win Saturday or anytime during signature play, this will be the signature play. Like, like the helmet catch and I'd love anybody. We're going to take calls at 1-800-919-3776. If you're a fan of multiple teams, like if you're a Giant fan, is this at the level of the Tyreek catch? If you're a Met fan, is it Buckner? If you're an Islander fan, is it the Nystrom goal? Like you know what I'm saying?

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Was it Gary Myers who said this is like this is up there with. Somebody tweeted that the Tyree catch and said this is up there with that?

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Yes.

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Like I think it was Gary Myers who said that. And, and, and the reason, just the reason why I brought up Spike Lee earlier and giving me the dissertation thing was because I was trying to get to where if in Knicks history because every other shot like the Willis Reed is always number one as a moment, right? Because it won it. It was literally game seven championship. The guy could barely walk, still played 20 minutes and they won the game going away over like think about Elgin Baylor, Jerry west and Wilt Chamberlain. That's who they beat. That's not nothing. So that can't be replaced as easily. But this if you consider the greatest shots or moments like we always talk about in Nick history none of them are in the finals. I know the shots we always talk Larry Johnson's four point play conference finals.

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Yeah.

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John Starks dunk over, you know, the Bulls conference finals. Like it wasn't a lot of these, these big moments. Alan Houston's running jumper first round. So a lot of these huge game winning big moments, things that have happened, they weren't in the finals. So how does this not become the greatest moment shot. And it was a tip in. It wasn't really a shot in Knicks history. It has to be. Or do they have to win the title to make it that if you.

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Well, of course. Well, I'll tell you, I'll say this.

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Well, they didn't win the titles in the other ones.

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Right. And the John Stark stunk.

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Yeah.

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You know, none of them were in titles because they haven't won A title since 73. Willis Reed is a moment. It's not a play.

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Right, right.

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But it's a moment. No, it's. Oh, it's going to be up there. But if they win, it'll be the signature moment for sure.

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Got to be. Right.

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Because all the other ones that we mentioned came in signature moments of a championship. The helmet catch, the Bobby Nystrom. What wins against the Flyers?

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Overtime.

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You know, Buckner was game six. But you know, they won the series. This is game four.

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Now Matteo. Right. Not that's not in a final.

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I mean it's still.

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But it gets you to the final.

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But it gets you.

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But when we're talking about all time moments, though, Mato's gotta be.

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Yeah, Mato's gotta be in the conversation

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of one of the great moments in New York sports. Right?

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Yeah, absolutely. But that would be the one that isn't in the final. But still you don't win it without that moment.

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Right.

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Or maybe. Or maybe the great moment comes a little bit later.

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Like Boone's home run against the Red Sox. Does that do anything? Because they didn't. They didn't win the championship.

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To me it doesn't do anything. It's like the grand single for the Mets. You didn't even win that series.

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Yeah, okay.

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Or. Or the shot, at least that won the series though.

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Yeah, but. But Boons Boons won the ALCS and got you to the World Series.

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No, it's not.

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It just. It just ends up being.

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But because it ended. It was a dud. And then the next year, you know, it took so much sizzle off of that home run. Even. Even though in the moment. It was an epic moment.

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No, it was an epic.

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All things considered. It was burying the Red Sox once again.

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Yeah.

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Getting back to the World Series. But because of what we know after it, I think it changes it a little bit.

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Yeah. Let's go to Tyler in Thomas River. You're on. Don Han and Rosenberg. What's up?

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What's going on, guys? I got a quick dilemma, all right? So I put in a ticket, pre finals, plus $8,025 to win two grand. So the cash out now is $397. Okay, normally, 99.9% of the time, I would not cash out, but I am getting married tomorrow, and we're going straight to Italy on our honeymoon.

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Let's talk.

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So I almost feel like. What do you guys think?

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You're. You have. It's. Listen, I don't know your financial situation,

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but we're doing okay.

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You're doing okay. You're taking a honeymoon in Italy. No, you ride this thing.

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You got to ride it.

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Yeah. Let it ride. Right? It's.

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It's.

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You know. You know, teams that are up three. One in the NBA Finals are 37 and one.

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Yeah. It took a Draymond kick to the groin.

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Right?

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Yeah. The odds are in your favor. And may the odds forever be in your favor.

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I can't imagine that I. Listen, I know you're getting married. Net, what, 375. Whatever it is, it'll be nice in your pocket, going on your honeymoon, but the two grand that you.

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Stop it. Yeah.

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The odds are way in your favor of winning. Come on.

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I wanted to know where he's going on the.

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Did he say Italy?

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He said Italy, but he just said Italy. Yeah. Now, I got to tell you guys, though, I'm a little. I'm a little worried about the bet. Do I keep betting, though? Do I bet again?

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Well, if, God forbid, they lose, you'll be.

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Are the spurs favored? They have to be, right? But it's got to be tight.

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Spurs.

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Spurs will be favored. So I didn't look yet, but I'm under 500 of my account. Should I just bet it with all that I got left?

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Here's what I know. Here's what I would do. This is all about you betting. The Knicks didn't have to be on the. It didn't have to be on the spread. Just bet the Knicks on the money line.

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You know what?

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You got to feel good about them winning this series. Right? So it may not be Saturday, but you're going to get.

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But he's going to be broke.

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Yeah.

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You see what he's saying? He's down to. I'm down to under five. So he can't. Even if they lose Saturday, he's out of money, so he can't bet another game.

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And do I bet a money line now to win even more? I bet him to cover. I've been betting to cover every night. Right. I only. I've only been money.

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All I know is I was on my brother this morning on bus.

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Did you guys fight?

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Yes. Because he says that all the credit deserves go to Danhausen for this run. He should be. He should have his own float in the parade. They should give him the key to the city. And I said, listen, if I was given the key to the city, I'd be sticking it, you know, somewhere. Obviously. That's Sirius satellite radio, so go listen to the replay of it to find out exactly what I said.

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But did you guys really get into it?

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Yeah, but.

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Love it.

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You know, my brother.

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I started this yesterday.

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It's crazy.

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I texted him yesterday and I know it was your. I said, your brother hates Danhouse.

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Yeah, and he told me that.

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And he wrote my goes. Yeah, perfect. My brother. God forbid anyone. Have fun.

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Nick Nemeth was his co host. He seemed to be nicer and more understanding. David just all of a sudden loses it. Like he explodes grenade.

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But he's. He's.

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He's a little performative. The whole thing. Was that Danhausen in with his prediction. 16 and 1, including the NHL. Because he's done it with the NHL. Apparently he cursed Vegas when Carolina won. And then he cursed Carolina. He's 16 and 1. Well, if we're. If we're. If this is the whole vibe of this going. What are you. It's I guess you 13. You've bet them every time you've bet them.

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Me?

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You? Yeah, they're 14 and 1.

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No.

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Oh, not you winning, but you. The whole thing was you bet them, they win, they're 14 and 1. So if Danhausen's getting the key to the city, according to my brother, you're 14 and 1. You can't stop.

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No, you're right. So why don't I do this?

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But I'd protect myself if I were you and bet the money line rather than the number.

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But that's not. That's a risk. That's a bigger risk. It's a bigger payout. But I could lose.

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Well, but they're going to be a dog. By what?

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No, by five. What'd you say? Five and a half points. Five and a half.

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And a half.

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Oh, that's a different.

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So what do I do If I have 387 left in my account, which I think is the number that's left. How about I put three hundy on them on Saturday to cover? If they do it, I'll have them like 687 in the account. And I put it all on game six.

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And we move on the figures. You bet and how you bet isn't the deal. The deal is just betting on the next.

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That's right.

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So you gotta bet. But how much you bet and how you do it, that's your business.

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I appreciate you letting me live my life.

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Let's go to John in Babylon. You're on ESPN New York.

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Hey, guys. Incredible night last night and groggy morning. I was lucky enough to be able to bring my dad to the game. So he's a fanatic, just like myself. He brought me into this horrible life that I've had through my 28 years. And now we have this moment together. But we were silent the entire game up until the last five minutes. Then the tears started happening. Everyone's hugging everyone. The bathroom attendant on the Chase bridge was hugging us and celebrating with us. You felt the bridge jumping up and down. Oh, that was a moment I'll never forget.

[B]

So was like. Was the bridge. Was the bridge really moving? Like, could you feel the bridge moving? I've always wondered if it got loud and rowdy enough with that bridge. Because Don knows there's certain hockey arenas in Canada that when the crowd goes crazy, the gondola. The bridge, like in Calgary, is one. The old Edmonton building, too, would shake. And it's scary. So I was wondering if that bridge did have any type of movement. So you're saying you felt it.

[D]

You felt it. You felt it going up to your head. You felt the whole floor moving. It was insane. It felt a little dangerous. But at that moment, it's only fun.

[A]

I could tell you at calling games on the bridge level, that bridge does move.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

When I called the Barkley Goodreau goal in game two against the Panthers in the Eastern Conference final a couple of years ago that it shakes. It definitely moved. And it is a little scary. I mean, the reason it moves is so it doesn't fall. You know, you'll give, but you don't. In that time, it's like it's an earthquake and everything's going and nothing you can do about it. You know, we. I'm not running off the bridge at that point. You got to go down with the ship. Got a game to call. Right? And it was over, but I had to recap it. But no, you could definitely feel that. And that is so cool you took your dad. I've told this story that one of my proudest moments of my life is the Giants go to the playoffs in 85 against the against the Niners in the wild card round and they won that game. And I got tickets. Nancy worked at a ticker broke ticket brokerage place and got me tickets and I got tickets to a Giant playoff game and drove my dad I was only was 85, I was 18 years old but take my dad to a Giants playoff game. Like I I was strutting man. I'm like and they won the game.

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[B]

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[C]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[B]

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[A]

Somebody on Twitter by the name of Buckeye HQ says he has a reverse angle of the Wemby play. And looking at does look a little different. I don't know if I'm gonna. I'm gonna just. I'm gonna retweet it.

[C]

See the one of him stepping of the stop.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I hear it. It's not AI. It's just that it's the angle.

[A]

But the. But the. There's. There's the angle from the one that everybody is showing that we think might

[C]

be him trying to kill OG in a number. Yeah.

[A]

Then there's the strain on, like, what you would have seen on television, and it does not look as egregious. You're telling me that's because of the angle?

[C]

I think it's the angle.

[A]

I don't know if you're seeing this, Alan.

[B]

Yeah, I'm watching. The other angle does show the foot doesn't go at his leg. It goes in front of him.

[A]

Yeah. So I.

[B]

So the other angle makes it look like he's going for his leg, which is why it looks. Look, he's so long and thin that everything he does sort of is jarring by the way he moves. And. Yeah. When you see it from the this other side angle, it doesn't look. That doesn't look.

[A]

And the other thing, too, and this

[B]

is creating these narratives.

[A]

This is the hypocrisy of the NBA, where obviously the one that deserved the flagrant one was in game three, the push on Brunson.

[C]

Of course.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

So the elbow to get a flagrant and the other one not. It just. It's disingenuous. Like, all right, you want to give a flagrant to both. I get it. He elbowed him in the face. But you could make the case that that was completely accidental that he hit him. Hey, you're responsible like a. Like a high stick in hockey. You're responsible for where your elbows go. You're responsible where.

[B]

But you know. But you know the truth here. Once that goes to the. To the replay center.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And the replay officials there. And we all know that this has been. He was reviewed on something he did in the previous game. I told you they are going to be strict with him.

[A]

That does not mean there isn't hypocrisy of where at the end of the day the push is nothing. Even after reviewing it, they said it's not a flagrant one or two. And then you see a flagrant one for an elbow that you can make the case was incidental. Now he's still responsible for his elbow. I'm not saying he didn't deserve a flagrant, but you look at the two plays and it's not even close which one deserved the flagrant one and for the result to be the exact opposite. This is the trouble you get into, Alan, because Tim Peel, former official in the NHL, lost his job because a mic caught him saying that he. There was a makeup call that he did because of a screw up earlier in the game. He called something to make it up and the NHL fired him. But what you're. And you're saying that basically it's the same thing. We're making up for the egregious mistake in game three by doing this in game four. It's the same thing.

[D]

Right.

[A]

It's the better thing to do is just, just call it right, man. Replay it and just give him the flagrant. And if he ends up doing something that's a problem next time, that's on him. Right. Because at the end of the day, it looks like you don't know what the hell you're doing. You're right. Why they did it, but they're doing it because of the screw up originally. Well, they. That's what you can't protect these players, man. I understand you don't want to lose Wemby and the rest of the NBA Finals, but if you end up losing him, that's on him.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. I can't get these players because he's being extra. And you got to know that what he was doing there. But the fact that no referee saw it. I told you, they talked to him and told him, all right, you got away with one, but watch yourself. And that include. And I said, and whatever he does, they're going to overreact to it as a correction. And that's what happened. So now he's got three points against him, which means one more flagrant, which, I mean, he's an idiot if he gets one more flagrant. I mean, what are we doing now?

[C]

Well, but, and that, that's, that's the thing.

[B]

I was Thinking one more flagrant would lead to a suspension. So, you know, things could happen in Game 5. He could get a flagrant, still finish the game. They could win the game, but because now they have four points, guess who's not playing a game. 6.

[C]

When they were down 29 and that foul happened, I remember thinking, all right, well, that's something good. Yeah, they're down 29 points. But hold on, one more of these and you're losing him.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then five minutes later, it's a 15 point game and we are having a conversation.

[A]

But do you see the game that's being played here now? It's all making up for what happened the last. And then it becomes a vicious cycle.

[B]

Isn't that life, though? Like, okay, I missed one, but I owe you one. And I'm going to be a little more. Like, I'm not going to. I'm not going to be as lenient I'm going to be. I might overreact now because you have already gotten away with one, and if you do another, like, it's. It's. It's just human nature, don't you think?

[A]

But it's like, if you.

[B]

If you dare take another transgression when I've already given you a pass on one.

[A]

You just said it. Why am I giving you a pass?

[B]

I didn't give you a pat. I didn't see it. So you got away with it.

[A]

But.

[B]

So if I see one now, I'm gonna overreact because replays showed me that I missed one. So you embarrassed me because I look like it. Like, think about it. If you're. That. If you're Curtis Blair, who was staring at the play, the referee, I'm embarrassed now because the whole world sees that I missed an obvious call that I should have made.

[A]

Well, we'll get more on this because Mark Ronson's nice enough to join us after a terrific Game 4 win by the Knicks. You know us, we know you. What's going on?

[D]

How's it going? Wow.

[A]

How's it going?

[B]

Yeah, right?

[A]

Tell us who's better than you?

[B]

How it's going.

[D]

It was just the craziest thing, you know? I mean, obviously, game one, Cleveland was insane, but this was just people walking around Madison Square Garden going like, this is the greatest night of my life. Like, I overheard seven people say that on the way out. No one knew how to leave the Garden. Like, we were all just so dumbstruck. And then walked out onto 7th Avenue for a little while. And then when you got to, like, 28th, where like, the people started climbing lampposts. It felt like being at Coachella, like there was like nobody was moving, Nobody wanted to move. It was just like a block of a thousand or two thousand people. They just were, like, happy to just stand around. And it was just like one of those, like, I don't know, reminded me of, like, 2008 when, like, Obama won the election. And just like New York is just like those rare nights when the energy is just so incredible. You just, like, you just. It's just life affirming. What.

[C]

So I was saying earlier, Mark, like,

[D]

I got very deep, very quick.

[C]

No, no, you went no, by the way, that's what you're here for. Um, the. Listen, if you. If you didn't watch the Knicks all year, the last couple of years, you would find what happened last night absolutely shocking. If you've been following them closely while it was absolutely, like, incredible and an unbelievable. It wasn't an utter shock. I. I watch. There's a reason no one left the building. There's a reason no one's TV turned off. Did you believe in the third quarter that they could really make a run?

[D]

I'm embarrassed to say, like, at the third quarter, yes, and when we got it to 1815. But the point at the half when it was 27 and my wife looked at me, she's a huge fan and we watched a lot of the games together. She's like, can we do this one? And I just looked at her and I just was like, I don't think so. This one, I know that's terrible, but I just have to be honest. Of course we've seen, you know, we've seen miracles. It's not even miracles because this team, the resilience in the way, you know, we chip back at stuff, and it's incredible. You know, the other thing is, like, I think, like a lot of Knick fans for the past couple years, the last two playoffs, who feel like, we've earned this, we deserve this. And I think it was the first time, like a couple of weeks, weeks ago after maybe San Antonio Game one, I was just like, what am I talking about? They deserve this. I know that's such a stupid thing to say that. It was the first time I reframed it, like, I don't deserve this as a 35 year, you know, plus fan. Like, these guys deserve it because they're absolutely incredible and their heart and resilience, and they're like, never say die is just one of the greatest things I've seen. In any professional sports team.

[B]

It's amazing because we all had the same. What you just said. We all had that same emotion at halftime when it's 27. And just the way they looked in the first half and there was a sense of, you know, we've seen them make come. Like Monica said, Monica McNutt. We were together during the second quarter and then after I was doing drop co worker.

[C]

She's becoming the legend, though.

[B]

You know, you're right about that. And so. But we both had that feeling of they've made 20 point comebacks before. We just saw one, you know, eight, eight games ago in game one of the Eastern Conference finals. 22 points. That was a crazy comeback. We saw them last year against Boston, but we both were like. But this, like, this feels that. This feels like it's too much, you know? But Mark, once it got under 20, the whole arena is like, we got this, like. I don't know if you felt that there was a. We got this. Once it got under 20 that I started like laughing at the overconfidence coming from a Garden crowd just over a couple of buckets down.

[D]

There was one point, there was one point where there was like a roar. When we cut it to like, I think it was 49.71. And I'm like, the Garden is like starting to come alive because we. We've cut it to 22. Like that is bananas. And then it was this. That was just back and forth. And then in the fourth it was like 15, but then it was 20 again with nine minutes. You know, it just. They. And they kept hitting things, but no, but as soon as it got that 15 felt like this is really within reach. And knowing our Knicks and what they do, then it's like this is fully within the realm of something that, that we have done or that this team has shown us like many times now.

[A]

Mark, there's two stages to it. There's the comeback and then there's what OG did. So, like, what seems more unbelievable, the fact that they've come back and we've seen this team come back before. But for. How have that Brunson miss turn out to be the tap back in?

[B]

What.

[A]

What to me seems more improbable.

[D]

I think it was really one of those times when time stood still and it took probably 10 seconds after that or maybe five to really sink in what had happened. Because my seats were a little bit also behind, behind the backboard. It's not like you're watching on TV and you can you have like There was this look around, like, did that happen? And then I obviously got home, and I rewatched the second half, and I watched. I watched that play 80,000 times on my phone. I think that was just this. It was just. It was just incredible. It was like a mixture of. Yeah. Like, just brute willpower, grace, finesse, strength, luck, you know, all of it. But it was just. And it was just OG like, it's just. You know, he's just. He's. And the way he was at the press conference after, he's just, like, so, like, demure. And we talked about it last time I was on the show and how he's just so humble and, like, what the hell, man? That guy is just. He's just a gift to the city.

[C]

And. And I. I brought it up earlier in the show, but I really think you cannot underscore. There are so many different pieces here that made this game what it was. But they couldn't get past 15, Mark. And then Cat hits that, falling down three to cut it to.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And to me, that's. That's got to be on, like, the top five, because you really got to break it down like that top five moments that sort of turn that thing, you know?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. And then the Alvarado 3 to cut it to 4, because we couldn't get past that. 7, 9, 11. Yeah, Cat. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. It. They were just. There were so many different moments. Of course, you know, that. That led to that point, but it was the. After it was over. What you were saying earlier, Mark, that's what I was kind of feeling, because I'd never seen the court filled like that normally. Like, again, security doesn't want anybody on the floor. They're quick to clear the floor off. Most of the time, they got to break, take the court up and. Because the ice is underneath it or something's coming. But it was filled with people, and I mean, famous people and former NBA players. Like, it was a who's who all over the place, and no one wanted to leave. And I'm wondering, did you hear when Sinatra came on how everyone's just saying, oh, yes, yes.

[D]

Yeah, I. Yeah. And I was like, oh, that's. Now you think. Now I think about. I'm like, I can't believe Wu Tang didn't do a second set. It's just. I felt bad for them. Nobody wants to go on at halftime. You know, with all that expectation down 27 is such a thankless task. And it was funny seeing on the tv, watching it later, like, Brunson High fiving Matthew, man, and everyone on the way out. All the things I couldn't see in the arena, but I can't remember. It was such a blur. I know I stayed for a while. I can't remember if I heard Sinatra. I was like, did I leave too early? Did everybody run on the court? What did I miss?

[B]

It was literally anyone that was in proximity of the court and it was a who's who. I mean, it really was like, honestly.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And yeah, it just was milling about and everyone was like, almost like it was a. It felt like a meet and greet. Like, I'm seeing you from across the court and now we're gonna get to see each other and talk. And everyone just gathered on the court now. ESPN is also setting up five different desks for five different shows. And then there's NBA TV sets up their, their show off to a side as well. So there's also production setting up. But what I was, what I was saying was once that all happened and now it's just a lot of people out there, there's still music playing. Suddenly Sinatra starts. New York, New York. And for a moment, everyone stopped talking and just sang. Became a sing along. And it was such a cool moment. I couldn't get my phone out fast enough because it was one of those things like you gotta, you got to record this to believe it and remember it. And it just got the, you know, the start spreading the news, I'm leaving today. And then everybody got back to talking. But it was kind of cool.

[D]

That's so cool. I think I was so busy hugging anyone around me and just like, I just, I feel like I heard that song, but at that point, maybe I wasn't looking at the court, but it was, the whole night was just, it was magical. I mean, obviously now I have to close it out, but it was just, yeah, incredible.

[C]

Any more, any more trips to San Antonio? Are you done?

[B]

Good question.

[D]

I'm really tempted. Like, I just, you know, it would be amazing to be there. I remember watching everybody there in Cleveland in Game 4 and they closed it out and just being like, oh, man, I should have gone. But I cleave. I mean, one great game in San Antonio and if not, I just want to be surrounded by like, Nick fans that I love and just be here and then go climb a lamppost.

[C]

Well, at least you're already tall, so it's not.

[B]

Come up 7th Avenue and meet up with us once we get off the post game. Because we are. If they win Saturday night, we're going to have a party.

[C]

Yeah. But think about how much harder it would be Think about how much harder it would be for Bill Peto to climb the lamppost than Mark.

[B]

Well, we can give him a boost.

[D]

Mark, let me know if there's a good place to watch it. Yeah. Thank you so much. And it's honestly so thrilled to get to come on the show and talk to you guys.

[A]

Oh, it's our pleasure, man. Thank you so much.

[B]

Great to talk to you, Mark.

[C]

The great Mark Ronson, ladies and gentlemen.

[B]

Excellent.

[A]

It's so weird. Like, you know, we've talked about this with football. Like, I can't be. Even if they're of, like, mind. I just don't feel great about being around people. The tension. I'd rather just be by myself, but they go that long. I can kind of understand wanting to be around other Nick fans, but I think if he goes to San Antonio, he can find a place where there's gonna be a bunch of Nick fans.

[D]

There's.

[C]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[B]

But there's something about, I think, sharing a moment with other people that, you know, are just as psychotic about it. You know, like, there is something cool about that. Just the. The amount of joy that everybody had, and they all just want to look at each other. Like, everybody's just said, like, can you believe that? Can you believe that? You know, that kind of stuff was just being said.

[A]

Oh, for sure. After everyone.

[B]

So it was cool to share that.

[A]

I'm just saying, like. But in the. In the game itself, I think I'd rather be by myself. And then as soon as they win, then, you know, join up with people and talk about it. But, like, in the moment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, sometimes it's a little. I just. We've talked about it before. I just. It's not my thing. But I understand being around everybody once you do win.

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[A]

I can't speak for what would happen if they clinched in Game 6, but it can't be any better than last night, right? I mean that you can't win a game like they won it last night. Coming back from 29 points down. It would probably be a similar experience with a fans celebrating the championship of the trophy presentation and all that.

[B]

Yeah, the court wouldn't be filled with people like it was. That was. That's what made it kind of cool. Was it after the game how the court was just filled with people milling about? It wasn't players in a stage and all that stuff. Although somebody said just bring out the Larry O now.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

You know. No, no, but hand it to him and let's go.

[A]

But if you go to San Antonio on Saturday and they win the game and it's a nice game and a good game and you just win, you win by Five or six. But there's no tension convention you had in game four. Game four is going to be forever remembered.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And the example of that is the 86 World Series of the Mets. Game seven was tremendous. They were down three. Nothing had to fight back to win that game. Some really special things happened. Strawberry hits a home run, but all anybody talks about is game six because of the way that it ended. So 50 years from now, no matter how the Knicks win the championship, and if they win, win, all they're going to talk about is game four. And history will remember that as the moment. Like the US Beating Russia was not the gold medal game, but it's the only game anybody ever talks about from the Miracle on Ice. Right. Them winning the gold medal. So unless you. And I can't imagine you would get another win as special as what you got last night. So that certainly is the.

[B]

Is that how the movie ends? The movie ends with this game and then Mike Brown going like, yeah, we went on to win the title and of course we were losing by 15 points in the third quarter. But as we've done all year, the guys came back. You know, like, you have that kind of narrative as they show celebration.

[C]

It could very easily happen that way.

[A]

And if that happens, and I'm sure in Boston, I mean, is there anything after being down three, nothing against the Yankees and winning, like they swept the Cardinals in four.

[B]

But that's Fever Pitch, the movie.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Fallon and Barrymore were making that movie as the playoffs were going on. They were. They were shooting it expecting the Red Sox to lose because it was going to be him as the Red Sox fan, like being heartbroken again, but because he's found her, whatever. And then they won.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So they. So they had to flip the script. And the movie ended with them celebrating the World Series. But they didn't show any of those games. It almost was like, fast forward.

[A]

No, they fast forwarded through the whole thing. But it's. It's pretty amazing in that Fever Pitch. This goes back, I guess it was 05. I think the movie came out. It was supposed to be Rocky. It didn't matter that they lost. That's it. He got the girl.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You know, and put the Red Sox end up coming back once.

[B]

They were like, oh, well, let's go with this. Yeah.

[A]

So they're kissing on the field and all that stuff like. Because if you remember, nobody knew about the movie. So the Red Sox beat the Cardinal. I remember watching the celebration.

[B]

What's Fallon doing?

[A]

What is Fallon doing? What is he kissing Drew Barrymore like, what's going on there? And then you see the movie like a year and a half later, like, oh, okay, now it makes sense.

[C]

Let me hit you with a hot take real quick and just take a second.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

A lot of people who don't know better are going at Taylor Swift and calling Fraud after seeing her celebrate. I think because I saw a celebration video. I'm not saying this is true, but I'm saying you would have a much better case if you want to call Fraud on the videos I've seen of Jackson Darton Camp Scatterbo.

[A]

What would I do celebrating?

[C]

They've been New Yorkers for 11 seconds.

[B]

He's been to a lot of games.

[C]

Oh, no. Listen, he clearly likes having a good time, getting some beers and hanging out courtside. But I'm saying Taylor Swift, no matter what you say about it, she's been at the games for years.

[A]

Let me, let me tell you, I

[C]

can't believe I'm defending someone who wore a shirt that said Stevie Nicks with a K on it and brought a friend with a shirt that said, I

[A]

didn't hate that shirt, but just wear a regular shirt.

[C]

I will tell they sell bootlegs on the street. They're great.

[B]

Oh, they paired up as. They paired up as friends. Let's all make shirts. They'll make cute shirts with cute sayings on them.

[A]

That's sometimes the moment. Maybe sometimes you're celebrating the moment because what you're celebrating is that you were there to see it live.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now I go back to when the Giants beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. The Tyree catches. All right. I'm in the Redskins suite.

[C]

I remember.

[A]

And when the Giants won the Super Washington Redskins at the time, their owner, Darrell Green, maybe the greatest redskin of all time.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

All right. Bernard Shaw from cnn. Oh, yeah. Michael K. If anything, they, they hate the Giants. Right. They're in their division. People high fiving and hugging each other.

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Yeah.

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Why? Because we just saw one of the greatest moments in football history. The Giants beating the undefeated Patriots. That's what you're celebrating.

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So let me ask a question.

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Yeah, that's a good point.

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So let me ask you a question. They go on to win the whole thing. This Nick team. Does the OG play surpass Tyree?

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How can it?

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Tyree was 11. Tyree was seven or 11. Seven.

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That was the first one. That was the first one. That was the undefeated. That was the undefeated Patriots.

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But for the rest, I know that's tough. I Know, but it's still only 17 years removed since their last Super Bowl. It's not 53 years.

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So are you're adding the context?

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Yeah, Context matters.

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Alan exclusive sack though too. Manning should have been on the ground on that play.

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There's a lot of things going on in that play. There's a lot of things going on in the OG play too.

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Well, that's true. There was no box out. Wemby's away from the basket instead of getting into the paint for a rebound, Harper and Castle jump instead of hitting the body, thinking they can out jump people. A lot happened.

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But hold on. Yeah, there's another thing too though. It's called a 29 point comeback. That, that caps off so you can't remove that consciousness.

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So You've got the 29 point comeback. 29 point comeback. It closes out. There's 1.2 to go. I mean there were several other plays after the helmet catch, but the helmet and it's the Super Bowl. So basically it's game seven, right? They. There's no. And there's Eli, who's a stationary target all of a sudden, you know, becoming Patrick Mahomes. Elusive, elusive. And then the ball was caught. Watch that replay. How in God's name is he able to keep it pinned to the top of his helmet?

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It makes sense.

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It still doesn't make sense. It's still.

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It's still a great conversation though, Al.

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I love it. And, and I again, we threw in some others as well because I still go, you know, Mookie Wilson flying down for the first baseline is also part of the reason why Bill Buckner can't make that play. Right.

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Bill Buckner shouldn't have been in the game.

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Well, and then there's. Right, that's all the context of that. So that's what makes that dramatic. And then for me also the Richter save on Bure, like I know the Matteo, you don't get to the final. But the context of 54 years and all the things that could go wrong, and you're used to it going wrong and then you have a moment like that where your goalie has to make this a miracle success. That's a great moment too.

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But let me ask you a question about, about both of those places. I was in New York for the Super bowl no. 7. I was not around for the Stanley cup in 94. But tell me the actual game, the feeling in the city leading up and

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to and after which which game seven,

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Comparing all of them, the best of the best up against right now. Is the whole thing better than this and getting more like. Because to me this is the biggest thing I've ever been around in sports.

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This surpass.

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To be Fair, the Redskins 91 team in Washington. As Don you always point out, one of the greatest super bowl teams in history rolled the whole year. They, the everyone talked about the Redskins bandwagon. They took over D.C. guys, it's not like this. It's every block, every, every old lady, every race, every, everyone's wearing Knicks every day. And then you have the 29 point comeback and then you have the tip

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in when you fire all up. Alan, I think you are making, you're making a great point because all throughout this is not just a Manhattan thing. All throughout the Tri State area, there are watch parties. There are school children who are told, today is blue and orange day. Wear your Knicks colors. And everybody's doing it. There's, there's people at work doing it. And it's. Everyone wants to.

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My boy, my boy Blake, who I do evolve with for wwe. We had a taping today in Stamford. We were in Stamford. He arrived last night. He told me that last night there were in Stamford. The people poured into the street in downtown Stamford and we're going nuts.

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Tri State area, it's a whole area because it's the one team.

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Because it's just the one. That's the one team. It's the one. It's a small town so it's so difficult to compare, you know, what's happening now to like 94, like 30 years ago. They the watch party.

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I was told, I was told it felt big.

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Well, right. Excuse me.

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That is a drop, folks.

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What else?

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That is a drop. Oh, wow.

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