Hour 3: Knicks Window

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg | Hour 3: Knicks Window

Date: December 30, 2025
Hosts: Ty Butler, Alex Monaco | ESPN New York

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Episode Overview

This lively hour of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg dives headfirst into New York sports culture—specifically the New York Knicks' championship window, sports fandom, and city-life mindset. Hosts Ty Butler and Alex Monaco spark energetic debate about what it takes for the Knicks to win now, how injuries affect title aspirations, and field a series of passionate, sometimes wild, fan calls about trade scenarios and team management. The pair also share fun banter about New Year's Eve in NYC, peppered with classic local humor and community camaraderie.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New York New Year's Eve: The Local Experience

• Opening Banter (00:34–06:00):

  • Ty and Alex riff on braving New Year's Eve in Times Square, New Yorkers' grit, and the city’s winter brutality versus Southern California chill.
    • Ty: “I can’t imagine waiting in line, in the cold, cover charge, crowds stepping on my kicks—that just sounds miserable.” (02:15)
  • Debate: How much would it take to get them to do the Times Square NYE "diaper experience"?
    • Alex: “Three months of Manhattan rent.” (04:42)
    • Ty: “I’m starting at, like, 250k.” (04:47)
    • Both agree even $50k wouldn't be enough.

• True Fan Hypotheticals: Would they do it for a guaranteed championship for one of their teams?

  • Knicks, Jets, Chargers brought up as emotional triggers—many would only do it for a title, not money.
    • Ty: “If you guaranteed me a Knicks championship, maybe I do it for a hundred grand.” (08:28)

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2. The Knicks' Championship Window: Time Is Now

• Jokic Injury & Ripple Effect (09:19–12:41):

  • News: Nikola Jokic’s knee injury sparks reflections on the fragility of NBA "windows."
    • Ty: “We sometimes over-exaggerate how long a championship window is open for… I now have reframed my Knicks thinking: you gotta win the championship this year.” (11:36)
  • Examples:
    • Lakers post-2020 championship injuries
    • Bucks’ Giannis and Middleton issues
    • Nuggets’ current struggles
    • Celtics and Pacers derailed by key injuries

• Championship-or-Bust Mindset:

  • Ty argues the Knicks can't bank on future opportunities.
    • “With injuries running rampant, you never know. You can't just assume you'll get back.” (11:36)
  • Alex asks about minute-management for Knicks players. Ty downplays it: “Guys get hurt anyway, no matter the plan.” (12:55–14:38)

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3. Wild Knicks Trade Calls & Fan Takes

• Call-in: Giannis for Brunson Trade (15:51–21:18):

  • Casey from Brooklyn floats a hot-take: “Jalen Brunson and Mitchell Robinson for Giannis, if Kolik proves himself.” (16:55)
  • Ty and Alex react with disbelief:
    • Ty: “That is the rare, it gets worse the longer the phone call goes.” (19:05)
    • Alex: “Kolikmania is real.” (19:24)
  • Both hosts joke about the call’s logic and suggest not sharing shaky takes on-air:
    • Ty: “Sometimes you gotta run it by someone before you call a radio station.” (21:18)

• Fan Energy, Jersey vs. NYC Attitude (21:37–25:46):

  • Tessa calls in to defend Jersey nice and roast fans who root for tanking:
    • “Anybody that condones losing, wants to lose, aims to lose, participates in bum behavior.” (23:43)
    • Both hosts appreciate her competitive spirit, noting, “This joy you have, the world didn’t give it to you.” (26:10)

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4. Listener Calls: Giants, Jets, & City Sports Spirits

• Draft Capital vs. Winning Mindset (29:57–34:55):

  • Chris counter-argues Tessa’s anti-tanking stance: “Sometimes, baby, this is chess, not checkers. The draft capital of a first pick is enormous.” (30:06)
  • The guys tease Chris’s “Morgan Freeman” voice and push back on toxic trade takes:
    • Chris: “Never again take a call from that clown proposing Brunson for Giannis.” (34:42)

• Jets’ Outlook, Giants QBs, and Kirk Cousins Wish (35:16–37:10):

  • Listeners debate next year’s Jets record and the need for a veteran quarterback.
  • Alex, on the Jets QB hunt: “You need stability in the house before you work on anything else.” (37:11)

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5. Knicks Positivity & The City’s Hopes

• Antonio from Brooklyn brings Knicks optimism:

  • “We made it pretty far last year… don’t change the identity now… 2026 is us!” (38:08)
  • Hosts find his call energizing:
    • Ty: “Antonio has me riled up again.” (38:40)

• Knicks Fan Celebration:

  • To close out, Tishawn in Teaneck rings in with big-picture optimism:
    • “The Knicks—we badass right now. Embrace it!” (46:36)
  • Ty: “That’s so cute. Knicks are all we’ve got, really.” (46:27–47:25)

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6. Knicks vs. Nets, Future Star Power (48:01–48:43)

• Quick dustup over who’s the “best” in New York:
  • Ty: “I’m team Donovan Mitchell whenever he forces a trade—he should be a Brooklyn Net.”
  • Alex takes Jalen Brunson: “I got my guy Brunson, today, tomorrow…”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the NBA Window:

  • Ty (11:36): “We keep saying it’s get to the Finals or bust… But next year’s not guaranteed… I now have reframed my Knicks thinking into: you gotta win the championship this year.”

• On the Kolik-for-Brunson Hot Take:

  • Ty (19:05): “That’s the rare call that gets worse as it goes.”
  • Alex (19:24): “Kolikmania is real.”

• On Fan Mentality:

  • Tessa (23:43): “Anybody that condones losing, that wants to lose, aims to lose, is bums. They participate in bum behavior. That’s why I always want to win.”

• On Antonio’s Knicks Hype:

  • Antonio (38:08): “I’ll be at the Garden with my son against the Clippers. Let’s go Knicks! 2026 is us!”

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |------------|------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:34 - 06:00 | New Year’s Eve in NYC / “How much would it take?” debate | | 09:19 - 14:38 | Jokic’s injury, fragility of NBA windows, Knicks must-win year | | 15:51 - 21:18 | Fan call: Brunson for Giannis trade proposal debate | | 21:37 - 25:46 | Jersey vs. NYC mentality, anti-tanking rant (Tessa) | | 29:57 - 34:55 | Draft pick vs. winning mindset (Chris’s chess vs. checkers)| | 38:08 - 39:04 | Knicks chemistry, optimism for 2026 (Antonio call) | | 46:27 - 47:25 | Knicks’ “embrace the moment” optimism (Tishawn call) | | 48:01 - 48:43 | Knicks vs. Nets/Brunson vs. Mitchell future rivalry |

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Language & Tone

• Brisk, animated, New York directness—fun mix of sarcasm, local pride, ribbing, and sports savvy.
• Welcoming to passionate fan opinions—regardless of how wild!
• No patience for weak takes; plenty of in-jokes and city “insider” humor.

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Final Thoughts

This hour of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg delivers a full-tilt sampling of NYC sports culture: KNICKS title hunger, city toughness, and fan eccentricity. Ty Butler’s “championship-or-bust” urgency reframes the city’s title expectations. The fan calls add colorful chaos—from a (derided) Brunson-Giannis trade to a full-throated anti-tanking screed. Through it all, the hosts channel the city’s ‘right now’ attitude, reminding listeners to appreciate this Knicks window—because in New York, the future is never guaranteed.

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Hosts:

• Ty Butler – @TyDButler
• Alex Monaco – @AlexMonaco

Fan Line: 800-919-3776

End Note:
As always, the door is open (if you say thank you) for more passionate, brilliant, and berserk New York sports talk—on Don, Hahn & Rosenberg.

Transcript

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That sounds like heaven to me.

[C]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. All right, we're back. Hour four, Ty Butler, Alex Monaco fired up ESPN New York. We just talked out for me, I think a little bit of therapy of getting better as a Southern Californian on the New York streets, particularly in the winter. I was advised, be more aggressive, Ty, than the people coming at me. And you're saying don't wait for people to get off the subway. Just go right in.

[B]

Bum rush him. Bum rush him.

[C]

I'm a hold the door kind of guy, though.

[B]

Some of the mannerisms and the pleasantries got to go away. Be mean, be rugged.

[C]

Is that the. Is that what the weather does?

[B]

Speaking of look, I want to talk about the Knicks coming up here. We got a full bank of calls. Ty Butler, Alex Monaco. We're going to a 6 o'. Clock, 800-919-3776. Going out on New Year's Eve is still a thing.

[C]

I guess it's a thing. Anthony gave us an unbelievable take, by the way. I never heard that.

[B]

What's the take, Anthony? It's a one second holiday.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Unbelievable.

[C]

That is three, two, one.

[B]

Done. That is take of the year.

[C]

Larry David might give him a standing O for that.

[B]

Is that take of the year.

[C]

We're building a whole night around one second.

[B]

I just, I can't imagine. And maybe this is because I'm a father of two. So I'm at a different place in my life.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I can't imagine, like getting ready. It's cold outside. I now have to go wait in a line. A cover charge. It's crowded. People stepping on my kicks like that just sounds like a miserable way to start a new year. Just what sounds better is, yeah, I'm at home. Ryan Seacrest is my dude, one of my idols. Let him, you know, New Year's. Rockin Eve with Ryan Seacrest. And I'm not just saying that. Cause I'm a company guy that's been My man, hundred grand. Since I was a kid, always appreciated his work. So watch that with my lady. Kids would be up and go to sleep around maybe like 9, 30, 10. And then I'm good, I'm home. I don't have to drive anywhere, have an adult beverage if I wanted to. We're cooking.

[C]

Cooking. I gotta give a lot of credit to New Yorkers, though. They go out, rain, sleet or snow. A SoCal person, a little bit of rain and they're calling it a night. So lot of enthusiasm.

[B]

You got New Year's Eve plans?

[C]

I don't even have today plans. I'll figure it out.

[B]

The morning show talked about this, by the way. Like, how much money would you need as a Now this is native New Yorker stuff. I don't even think Alex would do this because I don't think. I don't think he could be bothered. All due respect. How much money would you have to be paid to do the full Times Square New Year's Eve experience? So we're talking about wearing a diaper.

[C]

That's.

[B]

Yeah, I'm talking about you got to get there. Not like, oh, like, you know, you're gonna be behind the barricades. Like, you're gonna be one of those people that's right next to your buddy Ryan, your good friend Ryan Seacrest. My guy, like, right dead center in Times Square. So we're talking about wearing a diaper. Get there at 12 in the afternoon. It's frigid. Talking about, I think it might even. It might be rain tomorrow. Like, I just. We're talking like this. The wind that. We've had 30 degrees, wind chill of 15. We're packing like multiple meals. 12 hours. Stand there for 12 hours to watch this silly little ball drop. That just tells us, oh, the calendar is switched from 25 to 26.

[C]

Do I have to be in the mosh, Anthony?

[B]

Oh, yeah, you gotta be. You'd have to. It's not. Oh, you're gonna be there for like, you're gonna get there at 11pm no, no, no. You get there at 12. Like when gates open, whenever that is, because I haven't even entertained the possibility of ever doing this. Whenever you're allowed to physically walk into Times Square and say you are gonna be here, you have to get there and you got to stay till midnight and you're freezing your ass off.

[C]

Three months of Manhattan rent, okay, That's a price.

[B]

I'm starting at like 250k.

[C]

You wouldn't do that. 12 hour shift for 50 racks. 50 racks tax free under the table.

[B]

Bro, that is a miserable experience.

[C]

12 hours, 15 hours.

[B]

You're just angry the whole time. There's nothing. No part of that is fun. No part of that is fun. At no point do I look at you and say, hey, you having a good time? And you answered, yeah, I'm having a blast. That's like Rikers Island.

[C]

You got WI fi in there. You got stream some games, throw on some noise canceling headphones. I mean, how much WI fi do.

[B]

You have if, like, have you ever.

[C]

Been to like concerts and raves and like, everybody's on their phone and you lose service. So how much like WI Fi are you gonna have? And then not only that, new, it officially opens Times square around like 3pm.

[B]

So you have a nine hour day.

[C]

So people usually get there before that. Yes.

[B]

Morning, noon. Because it's like a mob.

[C]

No one else is doing it for 50 grand.

[B]

What's the temperature?

[C]

50 grand is not enough.

[B]

No, that's not my man. That. See, Alex, this is. This is the. This is the New Yorker versus, okay, San Diego thing.

[C]

Oh, you think you're like, oh, I think it might be fun for like, oh, 90 minutes of the nine will be fun.

[B]

No, not even that. Just like we wouldn't be. The three of us would never even contemplate this idea.

[C]

Well, not that you are. Well, you're asking for three months rent just to really lean into it. When I got the job at MSG and I had 12 days to move and I was such a San Diegan, I didn't want to have to take a long commute to work. I settled on Herald Square and I didn't even know how many New Yorkers were so passionate that I could crow hop and throw a baseball at the original Macy's with the wooden escalators. It was affecting everything, so it affected the dating life back in the day. I live on 33rd and 6.

[B]

Nice to meet you. Nice flex. Wait, so to give you, you know, a snapshot of what you would be experiencing tomorrow, basically will be the same temperature that we have today. Right now it feels like 15 degrees outside. I'm good, man. I can't. I don't want to do it. Yeah. How about thanks, I guess. Would you do it for a Jet Super Bowl? Oh, for your team to win something. For your team to win something. Like Yankees. As much as I want the Yankees to win, like, I've seen them. Lakers. Same thing. Jet Rangers. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we. Yeah, I think we're having a conversation.

[C]

Now, Knicks, Knicks, Mets, Jets, Knicks.

[B]

I tell you Knicks win the championship. But you have to for 12 hours tomorrow stand in Times Square.

[C]

It's tough when we know that I'm belief the Knicks are winning.

[B]

Okay, remove that though. I guarantee they're going to win the title. You got to stand outside in the wash. I'm not claustrophobic, but like that's with a. With a pamper on and you're just soiling yourself all day long because I mean look, look at you. Your bladder is out of control as it is.

[C]

There goes my appetite.

[B]

Well then that's a big problem for Alex too. Yeah, he's got issues.

[C]

You saw how many times I had two coffees in here. A couple waters and most of every.

[B]

Most of the restaurants go, you ain't coming in here. And it's cold, so it adds to you having to pee more.

[C]

I guess I'll. I'll do it for a hundred grand.

[B]

I do it for a hundred thousand.

[C]

Honey grand from properly dressed.

[B]

So Rangers Mittens win the Stanley Cup. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Can you pick one of your teams?

[C]

No, I'm picking the Knicks.

[B]

Knicks picking Knicks over the guys.

[C]

So you guys, he wouldn't do it. You'll do it for a quarter million, but you'll do it for the Knicks.

[B]

No, for the Jets.

[C]

Oh, for the Jets.

[B]

Jets. Come on. That's huge.

[C]

I would consider it if Spanos brought the Chargers back to Ron Burgundy land.

[B]

Just for a relocation.

[C]

That's right. That's how upset I am that the Chargers.

[B]

This is back to back days of just like odd at the Padres takes.

[C]

I would do it. That's. You're asking me what I would do. Give me the Chargers.

[B]

800-919-3776. What would it take to get you out there for 12 hours tomorrow? I've got a Knicks take.

[C]

I need it ready. I need it.

[B]

All right. So big news out in the NBA today. Nicole Jokic diagnosed with a hyperextension in his left knee. And if you're a Nuggets fan, watching that game last night, you thought, oh, this looks like it could be season ending. So to learn that he is expected to miss just a month. Sigh of relief. It's also quite interesting. He's averaging 30, 12 and 11. And because he's not probably not going to hit the minimum games requirement, he's not going to be an all NBA guy, which is just going to like this is a historic season that won't land him in all NBA. It just doesn't feel right. But I Thought about the Knicks in this, in this form, we sometimes over exaggerate how long a championship window is open for. And I could just go back the last half decade. I'm a Lakers fan. So in 2020, LeBron and AD win the championship. And I'm thinking, oh, they're going to win it again next year. AD gets hurt and the Lakers get bounced in Round 1. He gets hurt year after year after year. They don't win a championship. The bucks, Giannis drops 50 in a closeout game six. We thought their championship windows wide open.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Middleton hurt year after year after year. They trade for Dame, he gets hurt. Now Giannis wants out of Milwaukee. The Nuggets, they win the title. And I'm skipping over the warriors because that felt like. It didn't feel like they had a real championship window. A little bit of an older team, Draymond punching Jordan pool. So that had no legs to it. But the Nuggets, 20, 23, they win a championship and we're like, oh, this team, their windows wide open. Now we've had Aaron Gordon get hurt. Murray's been injured, Jokic is now hurt. Celtics, that's the next dynasty. They then get to second round of the playoffs, lose to the Knicks, and in the midst of that, Jayson Tatum tears with Achilles. So how this ties back into the Knicks is this. We keep saying it's get to the finals or bust. Like they just have to make it there. And you feel good about whatever happens happens. When I watch the rash of injuries around basketball that for the last half decade has like prematurely closed championship windows, I'm thinking next year's not guaranteed. You don't know what's going to happen. Even if they get to the Finals, we don't know that they're going to get back there. So to me, I'm changing my expectation. I'm now going championship or bust. Oh, not because. Not because I think they're one and done. But again, injuries are just running rampant around. Around basketball. I don't know that OG is going to. OG's always hurt. I don't know that he's going to stay healthy for an entire season. Cat had injury problems, Brunson, that you just never know with these guys. Right. The Celtics didn't know it. Nuggets didn't know it. Lakers, like all these teams that thought that they had wide open championship windows, they closed pretty quickly. So I now have reframed my Knicks thinking into, no, you got to win the championship this year.

[C]

Does that change your approach with putting these Guys on more of a player friendly minutes. I don't say restriction but just a little more conscientious road trip to road trip, game to game how to roll these guys out.

[B]

But with that guys are getting hurt anyway. The guys that try to load manage those teams deal with injuries anyway.

[C]

Do you feel like this team a lot of players under tibs as we know what number one in minutes played for the starters last in bench reduction. Do you think there's I guess built in equity to these guys are more durable 10 4/5 of the league because of what they were able to do in the last couple of years.

[B]

I don't even look at it that way. And I didn't even mention the Pacers who like if you are a Pacers fan at the start of the NBA Finals last year, you're thinking, yo, we were in the Eastern Conference finals the year before. We're now in the finals. Our window was wide open. Halliburton goes down with an Achilles tear in Game 7. Miles Turner is now in Milwaukee. Your championship window. They're one of the worst teams in the NBA right now. So it's less about minute restriction and more about that's just what the league is now. Guys are going to get hurt, it's going to wreck your season. You just have no idea when it comes. So for us to pretend, oh they'll be great for five years just doesn't work like that. Because every team that won, we thought outside of the wars, we thought oh, they're going to repeat. We did that with every team and it just hasn't happened. We haven't had a repeat champion since golden state back in 1718.

[C]

I mean a lot of my feelings about how the Thunder ran the table is they ended up being the healthiest. Yeah, they stayed the healthiest against Denver. They stayed the healthiest in Game 7 against the Basers. I see what you're saying.

[B]

So I, I, I just that watching a guy who never gets Jokic, never gets hurt, watching him on the floor arriving in pain just brought to reality how delicate this whole thing is. And for us to pretend teams just automatically, automatically are going to get back just because they were there last year flies in the face of recent history.

[C]

No, you make a very excellent observation. It's, I mean, how much do you pay attention to moment to game to game with all these teams and the health? I mean it's, some of it's unpredictable.

[B]

That's what, that's what I'm, that's my point. You can't Guard against what happened yesterday. Guy stepped on his foot. There's no load managing for that. It's just bad luck of the draw. 800-919-3776 T Shawn's and Teaneck wants to talk about the Knicks. What's up, Tishawn. To Sean. Going once, going twice. That's sad. Let's go to Casey in Brooklyn. What's up, Casey?

[D]

What's up, Bucha strength. You guys have me on. I am a native New Yorker, Brooklyn born and raised. And I'm looking at the whole status of the Knicks with the Giannis fiasco. I see he bought a building in Brooklyn around Crown heights for about 27 million. It's a lot of rumblings going on about him coming either here or maybe even the Nets. But I had a very interesting cake that I was formulating in my head about how the Knicks. I'm going to get a lot of heat for this. But we're talking facts over feelings now. Everybody says the NBA is a business. We have to treat it like a business. And as every other organization does, New York has to do the same. We get now feels a little bit, but we have to get that detachment. So I was figuring out a little bit of a plan of how the Knicks, which I'm not. I'm not pro getting Giannis because I feel you're going to get the back end of Giannis now. A lot of miles, a lot of wear and tear, the durability. You're not going to get MVP on this anymore. You're going to get. It's screaming to me, Larry Johnson, Charlotte Hornets coming to the mix.

[B]

That's what it's screaming like is in my man. He's 31 years old and this season he's out averaging 29, 9 and 6. What are you talking about? You're not getting MVP. Yanis. The only reason why Giannis isn't in the MVP conversation is because his team is bad. But statistically he. He would be there if you were on a better team. He's one of the best players in the league.

[D]

No, no, I agree. I said moving forward contractually down the road with contract, with his contract and injuries and things piling up like that, I was thinking that a fair trade considering Jalen Brunson, I believe he's a top five player in the league and Giannis obviously MVP to keep the Knicks solid and not gutting their whole roster. I know I'll get a lot of heat for this. A clear exchange where you could even keep your draft picks. Maybe Jalen Brunson and Mitchell Robinson for Giannis and a couple of pieces and call it a day. You save the franchise, you keep two bigs in the. In the post. And this is all pending on if Kolik. This is a caveat. This is. This is all pending on if Colic could prove himself as a cerebral point guard as opposed to Jalen Brunson, who's not a prototypical point guard. Great, unbelievable player. Best play the Knicks have had in years. Not a prototypical point guard. Kolik showing flashes. He still has to prove himself, but maybe in January if he puts up some numbers, those thoughts might get into the Knicks head. Because Jalen Brunson, he's a physical player and he's. And he's a small guy. How much durability is he going to have moving forward the next five years? Same with Giannis. It's like a very even keel deal. I believe that it could be, you know, and if the Knicks are going to do it, I wouldn't want to do it. But if they were, and you keep Towns And Bridges and OG, you have Colt, if he could give you 18, nine, you know, five rebounds, couple of steals. More of a cerebral type. Let's say Chris Paul numbers. Not that I'm a Chris Paul fan. Chris Paul numbers. More of a general ship in, spreading the ball around, creating opportunities for people.

[B]

So. So that's the rare. That is the very rare. It gets worse progressively as the phone call continues. It just gets worse. So we're concerned. First of all, we're trading Brunson for Giannis.

[C]

Kolikmania is real.

[B]

We've watched kolik play for 10 minutes and now it's like. Well, actually, I think he can give you Brunson's production. We're concerned about Giannis's durability, so we're going to trade him to the Knicks, but in exchange for Brunson, whose durability we're also concerned about.

[C]

I mean, you know where I stand. I like the team as is.

[B]

Man, that was a sad phone call. Like, I just got. I don't know why. I just feel sad. Like, that was sad. I was in a good mood and that just brought me down.

[C]

I'm all right. It's new. It's. New Yorkers are excited for a championship. You know, I mean, I'm excited for a championship, but I'm not jumping out the window on Tyler Kolek. Like, I'm not doing that.

[B]

All right, Anthony, you want play Leon Rose for a moment? Yeah. Hey, Leon, it's The Bucks gm. What's his name? Horst. John Horst. Whatever his name is. John, how are you? Yes, I've got a trade proposal for you. Okay. Okay. I want Jalen Brunson. I want Jalen Brunson and Mitchell Robinson.

[D]

Why won't you click?

[B]

Something's wrong. I can't hit the dump button on my phone. Oh, my God. I'll pass, but thanks for the offer. That really just happened. That had to have been like, AI because, you know, they use an AI now just to pretend like things are happening that aren't actually happening. That's. That's a real phone call. We're trading Jalen Brunson for Giannis. Jalen and Mitchell Robinson for Giannis. That made sense. And he was on hold for a bit, had a chance to process that thought, and just said, you know what? This is a great take.

[C]

I hear you, my man.

[B]

Sometimes, you know what you got to do when you have a take that you think it's a little flimsy? Run it by somebody first. Run it by someone. Say, I've got a take. And then if the person is honest with you, they'll let you know. You shouldn't be calling a radio station with that. Tessa West Caldwell. We summoned her.

[C]

Oh, she's back.

[B]

Said she had 24 hours to respond to Ted in the truck. She is back with some bars for Ted, who has smoke for her yesterday. So, Tessa, what you got to say that you instigated?

[D]

Let's.

[A]

Let's start with that. That you. Listen, Alex, let me tell you, first of all, Happy New Year, Jacob, Anthony, Alex, and Todd. But anyway, yes, he did. Listen, Alex, really quick, because I know I don't have that much time. Ty is just still salty. Like, he said. We was awesome. We had such a good time in the sweet time. Ty is amazing. He's salty because of this one time when he was on Bart and Carla's show. Me and Bart was getting on his ears. You know what I'm saying? So now that's why you instigated a call yesterday, Ty.

[C]

I heard it.

[A]

I'm like, look at instigating.

[B]

He came with smoke for you.

[A]

He definitely came. He definitely came. And I'm about to come for the juggler. He definitely came. I caught back, but I forgot it was too close to six. You know me. I'll back down. You know what I'm saying? I called back, so that's. That's why I'm calling right now. I'm here within the 24, so listen really quick, though, Alex, let Me tell you something. Everything's New York. New York, New York. Listen, come over to the Jersey side. We're kind like that. We hold doors. But then if you walk through that door and don't say thank you, that's when it's a problem. We will be like, excuse, you. Hold the door. You know, I mean, we don't look for the problems, but when the problems come to us, we solve them. So I agree with the guys, but just stand 10 toes down. Don't look like a wounded animal. You'll be fine. You don't got to look for a problem. You don't got to bump. Shoulders back. But listen, somebody bump your shoulder.

[C]

I love the Jersey mentality. Let's go.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? But that's how we are. We're very nice over here. That's why at the end of the day, like, you know, New Yorkers don't like us because we don't got to be about all of the ratchetness all the time. But bring the problem.

[B]

You call the New Yorkers ratchet. Don't do that, Tessa. We're not ratchet.

[A]

The behavior. No, stop it. Y' all talking about. He got a.

[B]

You know what's ratchet, Tessa? You know what? You know what's ratchet? Ted in the truck coming for you last night. That was rat.

[A]

All right, so let me get on to that. Let me get on to that. Listen, this is. Listen, you know me. I love all the fans. I love everybody. So I'm not about to say this to Ted and the truck as a person. I'm about to say this to his fandom. Okay? So this is not an attack on him or anything like that, but when you come for me as a fan, I'm about to shred you as a.

[D]

Fan, and I'm about to go straight for the judge.

[A]

This fandom I'm going after, okay? So let me just tell you something right now. Anybody. And I'm about to make up a word, all right? Anyway, anybody that condones losing, that wants to lose, that aims to lose, and that is pleasing them to lose their bums. They. They, they, they. They. They participate in bum behavior. It's all about bumism with them. Damn right. I was happy as hell about that win because guess what? Did Ted and the truck forget we had the third round pick last. Last year? I mean, the third. The third pick in the first round last year. You understand? What. Where did that get us? 3 and 13? Where did that get us? A guy that can't Even set an alarm clock and wake up on time. You understand? Like, where did that get us? So at the end of the day, when you still got a bum GM that we have, what is he gonna do with this Draft capital. So, no, I don't have no faith in that. That's why I don't care about no pick. But you want to sit here, Ted, the truck sometimes throw your phone through the. Whatever he said because, oh, I can't believe what Chester said. Blah, blah, blah. What you mean what I said, bro? At the end of the day, what is it? What did that third. What did that third pick get us? Then we have Malik neighbor 7 pick the year before that. What did that get us? Our freaking record is still trash. So we take a win and stop losing. Because who wants to keep eating those L's? What's wrong with that? If we drop to the second pick, who cares? At the end of the day, if we keep this gm, he's still not gonna do what he got to do for the draft. He's still not gonna do what he got to do. He needs to go. The pool is polluted, filled with Pete. It needs to be drained completely. He needs to go to. So Ted in the truck. No, bro, I don't agree with you. You're. You're. You're participating in bum behavior, and I don't know nothing about that. I stand 10 toes now. I want to win all the time. I'm super competitive. I don't care if I don't have nothing to win to win for. I just want to win. So you told us. Well, let's lose.

[D]

Let's lose.

[A]

That's bum behavior. What are you doing? Bum. So, matter of fact, go get your freaking paper bag, put it over your head, and go sit in a corner. That's what he needs to do, because at the end of the day, you don't want to win. I am tired of people wanting to lose on purpose. Stop being a loser. It's okay that you okay with coming in second. No, I want to cut first all the time. And I don't care if there's nothing to win except a bow.

[B]

Wait, Tessa. So real quick, just to recap, Ted in the truck is a bomb.

[D]

Not Ted as a person.

[B]

Head. As a fan.

[C]

Okay, let's do it right now.

[A]

I would never attack nobody. I'm a nice person. But as a fan, he's a bum. Because you want to lose on purpose, which really look like losing on purpose, Tessa. Just to get the number one draft pick for what where did it get us? What did the three inches get us?

[B]

Listen, Tessa. Listen, Tessa. This joy that you have, the world didn't give it to you, so the world can't take it away. I appreciate the call. She packed him up. How about that man? Packed him up.

[C]

Hey, I got a little better as a pedestrian too, right?

[B]

Gave you some advice. That sounded a little ratchet. Tassa. You won't call us New Yorkers ratchet. That. That was dipping in the ratchet pool. But she packed them up. Tab. What you got to say about that? You got 24 hours to respond.

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Anthony says Chris. I'm going with Chris.

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Very forgettable name he's got, but people are up in arms about that take, including Chris and Lakehurst, who chimes in on the show. What's up, Chris?

[D]

Hey, what's going on? All right, let me start with. I don't like the Chris comment. His name wasn't Chris. His name was not Chris. So I don't know what his name was, but I'm gonna let that one go.

[B]

All right?

[D]

So I'm gonna try and be as quick as possible because this is three phased, all right?

[C]

Okay.

[D]

First, I'm gonna start with my girl Tessa, okay? She's on point with one exception, and that exception is wanting the Giants to lose against Oakland. Tessa, baby. Sweetie. Mommy, this is chess, not checkers, okay? The draft capital of having that first pick would be enormous for the New York Giants, okay? We would have gotten multiple picks. I agree with you. With what? What you said about all of the draft picks. We had the third pick and last year and he can't make it to meetings. I totally 1000% agree. But baby, this is chess, not checkers. The draft capital with that first pick would have been enormous even if we took. I don't even know his name. But the quarterback is the greatest. Yes, yes. I'm not giving up Jackson Dart for him. You'd have to be out of your mind. Okay.

[C]

Why wouldn't you want any positive moment? Because I play in the other side of it, Chris. It's like if you blow the Raiders game and Dart goes, no tugs, three interceptions, horrendous, whatever, and then lays an egg against Cowboy, the Cowboys, now Giants nation is sitting here saying is you're doing the offseason quarterback thing. Is Dart the guy darts? Clearly the guy.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Wouldn't you want to see him beat the brakes off the Cowboys this week?

[D]

Honestly, no. Honestly, no. Right.

[C]

If a Joe Burrow sitting at number one overall and you get a Hall, sure. We, we positive. Mendoza's the guy at the next level. I need to see it before I believe it with him. I'm just sitting here saying I would, I would want those wins against low hanging fruit at the end of the season to have belief that Dart will take momentum into the off season.

[D]

I honestly do believe that Dart. I believe Dart is the quarterback for the Giants. He has a New York attitude. He may not be from New York, but he has that attitude.

[C]

I agree.

[D]

Okay. So he does fit in. Now everything that we're saying is kind of. What's the word I'm looking for? It's speculation. That's the best word I can come up with right now. Okay. Because we don't know who the next head coach is going to be. We don't know who his staff is going to be. We don't know what direction they're going to go in. Okay? So for right now, what we have to hold on to is Jackson Dart and draft picks. All right? Malik Neighbors. Yes. Injury prone. We can blame anything. We can blame. He's injury prone. We can blame the field, what have you. All right, everyone, we just. We just multiply injuries every single year. Okay? So pushing that to the side. If we get a haul for the first round pick, there's still a possibility for the second round pick, but it definitely would have been guaranteed for the first round pick. Going back to the Dallas Cowgirls. I would love it. I would love it. Okay. I'm a New Yorker in New Jersey, all right? Where I live, I'm surrounded by cowgirls and beagles, all right? And I even got a cheese head in the mix. It's a cheese head. Giants marriage on the block. So I even got that in the mix. Okay? So I wanted that draft capital Okay, I don't want to hear anything about old lineman because I don't know if it's the scouting. All right. I don't know what it is, but we haven't drafted a bomb o lineman since Eli was a quarterback.

[B]

Drafted Andrew Thomas. Chris.

[D]

Okay, my bad.

[B]

By the way, Chris, before. Before we let you go, are you sure your name's not Morgan Freeman?

[D]

I'm pretty much sure.

[B]

Have you gotten that? Wow. Have you gotten that before?

[D]

Multiple times. Multiple times.

[B]

Like, listen to. He sounds like Morgan Freeman.

[D]

Let me give you one more. I got to give you this one. Just one more.

[B]

Intently sound like Morgan Freeman. Go ahead, Chris.

[D]

I appreciate it. Thank you. All right, that crackhead. I need y' all to screen your calls, please. That crackhead that came out with the Jalen Brunson going for the Greek Creek trade, okay? Please screen your calls. Never again take a call from that clown.

[B]

Okay, we appreciate the call, Chris. I mean, we're just spinning the wheel of, like, what are the most offensive things we can say? Cowgirls and crackhead and. All right, Chris, we appreciate that's legal on the air. We reached it. I think Andres and Lyndhurst been waiting patiently. Would say, what's going on, guys?

[D]

Hey, what's going on, guys? I don't know if you guys are listening earlier today, man, but Jake has been. Probably had the worst take in ESPN radio history, man.

[B]

Really?

[D]

So, yeah, his take was the jets will win eight to nine games next season and I'll be driving my car to work. Yeah, he said that. And Jordan Renan told him, like, are you crazy? Like, how do you see that happening? Only one thing I could see happen is they sign Al Harris as a defensive coordinator. Devin Lloyd is a free agent at the end of the year. You could try to sign him. You have $90 million in cap space. You go get your Jaquan Briscoe, Al Harris can start bringing his guys in from Chicago. You get Jaquan Briscoe at $12 million a year, and then you get like a stopgap quarterback. You get April Reese, but still your off. It's just not going to happen. It's the Jets. I'm a diehard jets fan, and I don't see that happening. That's what I wanted to get. Your.

[A]

Your take.

[D]

God, because I don't know what Jake was thinking. He even thought that at the beginning of this season, at the beginning of this season, Jake thought that the jets should win seven to eight games.

[A]

I'm like, dude, when do you see that?

[D]

The roster is terrible. The roster is terrible. He thought they should win seven to.

[A]

Eight games this season and he thinks.

[D]

They'Re going to win eight to nine games next season.

[A]

Well, what are we doing?

[B]

They're not. They're not going to win eight to nine games. And Andres, I appreciate the call. I'm actually going to be hosting with Jake from 3 to 7 on Friday. The team doesn't have a quarterback. Not sure if they have a head coach. And I'm leaning toward they don't. And all of that is being factored into what we project for them to be next season. Obviously we'll have a draft and free agency, but that's before we even get to the part where the schedule is going to be infinitely tougher because you go from the 7th Theseus to having to play AFC West, NFC north in a division that is going to have a league MVP in Drake May and then the league MVP from two years ago in Josh Allen. That doesn't add up to eight to nine wins for me.

[C]

You know what that sounds like?

[B]

Sounds like Kirk Cousins.

[C]

Sounds like an adult in the room is needed. Baby, we need to go get Kirk Cousins.

[B]

Antonio calling from bk. What's up, Antonio?

[A]

What's up, guys?

[D]

Happy New Year, first and foremost. Ty, get busy. Alex, nice to meet you. Welcome to New York.

[A]

You feel me?

[D]

Just, you know, just waltz right in the train. So we just lost, right?

[A]

Don't even worry about anybody, bro.

[C]

That's it.

[D]

We on punch clock.

[A]

With that being said real quick.

[D]

Is my man, you know, Pusick is that dude. But I gotta say about the Knick situation, first and foremost, we made it.

[A]

Pretty far last year. Correct to the Eastern Conference against the paces.

[D]

And the problem was because Tibbs, right, the coach. So we switched up on the coach.

[A]

And we got Mike Brown.

[D]

So why are we going to change the identity now if we made it that far?

[A]

And the complaint was about the coach.

[D]

Tibs, you know, with. With using them extraordinarily too much, whatever.

[A]

The case might be. Now that we got Brown, he's using.

[D]

The benches, utilizing them now like we got a chemistry going. I'll be at the Garden with my son against the Clippers. Let's go, Nick. Happy New Year. 2026 is US and that's it.

[A]

I believe we die.

[D]

Let's get it, Alex. Welcome to New York.

[C]

Let's go, Antonio. I'm fired up.

[B]

See, I was sad after the phone call that we got from Allegedly his name is Chris the Brunson Friatis. Now I feel good Again, Antonio has me had me riled up.

[C]

I can't wait to not wait when I step on the subway next. Well, he said and report back.

[B]

He said it's punch o'.

[C]

Clock.

[B]

You know what that means, right? Be about that action.

[C]

I got no shot. I got no shot. Taking the Antonio Energy. What's the over under on that?

[B]

Alex, if we set the over under.

[C]

At a half, I'm not making it back to the stage. Take the under.

[B]

Ye have little confidence, man. Quick question for you.

[C]

Yup.

[B]

So I'm watching Tyler Schuck play very well for the Saints. They're five and two in their last seven games. Nice little story, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

All of a sudden he's the favorite to win Offensive Rookie of the Year. And maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought I saw Jackson dart, I don't know, beat the Eagles. Beat your Chargers. Play very well in that Denver game. Played very well against the Eagles the second time around. And yes, took a dip against Minnesota. But on the season, 13 touchdowns, five interceptions, he's north of 2,000 yards, 63% completion percentage. Why is he not in the conversation for Offensive Rookie of the Year?

[C]

You're telling me this has been a fascinating race here. Talk about a full 48 full 60 minutes for NFL. But I mean, if Jackson Dart goes for four touchdowns, beats the Cowboys, which you're predicting.

[B]

By which I am.

[C]

I don't know about four touchdowns, but I do have the Giants money line over Don Science over the Cowboys. If I. If can I make the case at 22 to one small sprinkle. I call it breakfast money, utility bill money on dart. If Tyler lays an egg, they lose to the Falcons. He looks horrendous. Let's say he, he has a Stafford game but doesn't bounce back. Couple of pick sixes, whatever, and then dart cooks. I mean, can we get behind a late finish?

[B]

I don't think it's going to happen. Because.

[C]

Because do you feel 22 to one's a little disrespectful?

[B]

Yeah, it feels. So where is he on the odds? Like 22 to 1, but right, compared to like.

[C]

Well, it's Tyler and then it's.

[B]

The. The receiver for the receiver for the.

[C]

Panthers, McMillan and then it's Trevion Henderson and then it's a Buka and then it's dart and then it's gentle.

[B]

So he's got no shot. I mean, with a week left to go on the season.

[C]

If you're what Travillon splitting carries a book hasn't done anything in six weeks.

[B]

Big game for the Bucks.

[C]

Huge game for the Bucks.

[B]

He goes for three touchdowns against the Panthers.

[C]

It's really hard to give a rookie of the year to a guy you didn't even see to the second half of the season. It's wild.

[B]

I think Jackson Dart should be getting more love for offensive rookie of the Year, especially because he lost his number one receiver. He's not throwing a Chris Olave. He lost his lead back. His coach was such a disaster. He got fired.

[C]

You're telling me. I'd actually be fascinated.

[B]

He's throwing a Anthony. Anthony has him getting a max contract this off season. Wanda Robinson. More lies. Lies upon lies.

[C]

We almost made it.

[B]

I want to see Jackson Dark get offensive rookie of the Year. I think we he's not going to win it. He's too far down the list. And we've got one game left to play. Another feather in the cap for old Joe Shane. Yeah, Joe Shane.

[C]

I don't know, but it's crazy because it's like it was a buka. Tyler Warren was even in the first half of the year conversation. It's completely.

[B]

I've never seen after Daniel Jones and they all fell off. Who saw that coming? Because Jonathan Taylor was an MVP candidate.

[C]

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[B]

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[C]

Unbelievable. On the ones and twos.

[B]

He's got the feel of the city. Unlike Casey. Casey doesn't have a feel for the city with his Brunson, Brianna's take. People are mad. And once that gets, you know, put on and it's on social media now. So hit us, hit us up at DHR on espn once that starts to make its rounds.

[C]

You're upset.

[B]

No, that's actually not the next clip we put up. We put my Jokic the Yokich thing that you thought that was a good take.

[C]

Look, I love the championship mindset. I think the, the angle you were talking out is important to, to factor in. I mean, how many teams could have been but weren't because of hell? So keeping that in mind is very important.

[B]

It's been fun, man.

[C]

Dude, Absolute blast.

[B]

We're on our last legs here. Final hole. By the way, happy birthday to both LeBron and Tiger Woods. So you've got the greatest golf player ever, greatest basketball player ever, both sharing a birthday. That's pretty cool.

[C]

That's very cool.

[B]

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[C]

Hung in there. Let's go.

[D]

My apologies earlier there. I, I, I just wanted to, like, have a, like a celebratory moment for our Knicks going into the new year. We bad, right? I, I'm, I'm a longtime Knicks fan and, like, I'm enjoying what Brunson and the rest of the team is doing and how competitive we look and how we are at the top of our conference.

[B]

Oh, that's so cute. Yeah, that's so cute. Say hi. Say hi. Say hi to the little one for us. That was very adorable.

[D]

Yes. So, no, that's, that's all I, I wanted to be. Like, listen, you know, the Nick, the, the Giants aren't great. The jets aren't great. But our Knicks we badass right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And let's. Let's go. Let's. Let's embrace that. And there's people. I know the mayor put like, you know, names on streets and people had a tolerance and. But we do what we do and let's continue to do it. I love everything that they're doing. Mike Brown has come in. We didn't lose any momentum and. And I didn't. I didn't have a problem with dibbs. But our mem. We have. We still have our momentum going. I love that we're deep into the bench.

[A]

That's great.

[D]

Let's go.

[B]

20, 26. Let's go.

[C]

Great omen.

[B]

Yeah. Listen, he's right. Yankees want to celebrate. Mets ma. Rangers ma. Islanders ma. Like we can. Jets and Giants are worse than ma. We've got the Knicks now. The Nets are playing very well. Shout out to them.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

I'm team Donovan Mitchell. Whenever he gets to, you know, his point of the career where he does the whole. I want to be traded again.

[C]

Are you the first person on I'm going to Brooklyn.

[B]

I'm the first person at the stadium.

[C]

You got to claim that.

[B]

I'm claiming it. I'm claiming it.

[C]

He's a. He's a Mets fan.

[B]

He is a Mets fan. Which supposed to be a New York Knick now. Once he gets that trade request going, he should be a Brooklyn net.

[C]

I think you're right about Cleveland.

[B]

Now we have a battle for who's the best player in New York. Is it Donovan Mitchell or is it Jalen Brunson?

[C]

Wow. Getting out of here, stirring the pot.

[B]

That is fun.

[C]

I got my guy Brunson today, tomorrow.

[B]

The next day, of course. Where do you work again? Shocking. You take Jalen Brunson.

[C]

I'm a lefty loyalist.

[B]

So you would go with Donovan Mitchell. This has been fun, man.

[C]

Lot of fun. Ty. Appreciate you, man.

[B]

Next time we do this, the Yankees will have signed a free agent. That'll have happened.

[C]

I hope so.

[B]

Knicks might be the one seed because they're a game back at Detroit. The Giants maybe will have a new head coach. So there's a time you got any New Year's resolutions? We got two and a half minutes here.

[C]

I got one. Regarding the jets signing a veteran quarterback.

[B]

Oh Lord to correct believe you did that man. Cass, he was so.

[C]

I stand by the take.

[B]

He was so frustrated.

[C]

I just all wanted to do was.

[B]

Talk Nicks and you. You hit him with Kirk Cousins.

[C]

I need to talk this through. The guys won more than 80 games.

[B]

I know the 126 yards last night.

[C]

You can't bring a young like wow.

[B]

Do you.

[C]

You just. It's similar. Like you have dysfunction. You have to bring in stability to the house and then you work on.

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Going on your team. Got relocated from San Diego to la. You don't know anything about stability.

[C]

I don't but I can observe.

[B]

Any New Year's Eve plans.

[C]

Work on my hamstrings. Stretch.

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Are we getting sexual here?

[C]

No, I'm talking about.

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I am. Okay. Is this was like.

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What do you got? You got something for me home with.

[B]

The kids and the wife chilling.

[C]

But you got. You got a marathon on deck next year.

[B]

November. Let's go. That's just 2026. I'm running a New York City marathon. Incredible.

[C]

We know who the real grown man.

[B]

Is here on the way airways Alexmonaco. That's where you can find him at Ty D. Butler is where you can find me. Happy holidays. Happy new year to all of you out there. Shout out to Jacob. Shout out to Anthony Pusick. We will talk to you soon. I'll be back tomorrow morning with Bart Scott. So so long. Until then right here on espnyork and espnyork app.

[C]

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