Hour 3: List Reaction & IKF Comments

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast – Hour 3: List Reaction & IKF Comments

Date: February 11, 2026
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, Don La Greca
Network: ESPN New York

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Episode Overview

This dynamic hour is split between two of the podcast’s signatures: first, extensive debate and listener reaction to the hosts’ "Greatest Rock and Roll Songs of All Time" lists; second, a sharp pivot into timely New York sports talk, highlighted by Isaiah Kiner-Falefa’s (IKF) pointed remarks about the Yankees, the culture of grittiness (or lack thereof) in New York teams, and quarterback questions for the Giants and Jets. The banter is as lively, combative, and New York as it gets—with the hosts challenging each other, engaging the audience, and keeping the conversation unpredictable and entertaining.

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1. Rock and Roll List Reactions ([01:36]–[19:43])

Main Discussion Points

• The hosts recap and defend their recently unveiled lists of top rock songs.
• Listeners call in with their own opinions, sparking debate about what qualifies as rock, and the generational and stylistic divides in music tastes.
• The segment highlights the challenge and subjectivity of ranking classics in such a sprawling genre.

Hosts’ Lists Revealed ([13:34])

• Peter’s Top 5: Tutti Frutti (Little Richard), Fortunate Son (CCR), Cult of Personality (Living Colour), Smells Like Teen Spirit (Nirvana), Seven Nation Army (White Stripes)
• Don’s Top 5: Johnny B. Goode (Chuck Berry), Purple Haze (Jimi Hendrix), Immigrant Song (Led Zeppelin), I Want To Hold Your Hand (The Beatles), Smells Like Teen Spirit (Nirvana)
• Rosenberg’s Top 5: God Only Knows (Beach Boys), A Day in the Life (The Beatles), Bridge Over Troubled Water (Simon & Garfunkel), American Pie (Don McLean), Knocking on Heaven’s Door (Bob Dylan)

Classic Caller Moments & Quotes

• Nick in Emerson ([05:12]):
  "The fact that there was only one Led Zeppelin song... the best Led Zeppelin song is 'Kashmir'... it's second to none."
• Host Alan ([05:42]):
  "Immigrant Song was the right song."
• Peter ([05:56]):
  "To me, I don't even associate God Only Knows with rock and roll."
• AJ in Michigan ([07:51]):
  "As someone who is relatively younger, I was introduced to rock as more of, like, the arena rock... and I was just wondering as to why [Don] was displeased with that era."
• Rosenberg ([09:39]):
  "Once MTV came, it was more like how I looked... the songs lacked substance."
• Don ([10:25]):
  "I wanted an '80s song bad. Couldn't do it. In the end, what is the impact of the song?"
• Peter ([14:23]):
  "You said we all were going to fail doing this, but I think you failed the worst of the three of us."

Notable Debates

• The difficulty of separating "rock" from "pop" and what it means for a song to be "rock and roll."
• Listeners and hosts agree that any best-of list is doomed to omission and controversy—“This was a suicide mission. We were willing to do.” ([11:36])
• Ongoing tension over softer or more genre-blending choices (e.g., Simon & Garfunkel, Beach Boys) and whether they truly fit the "rock" mantle.
• Peter ([16:34]):
  "I think I had the best list. Most people are too gutless to tell the truth, because to say that would make a lot sick to their stomach."

Listener Additions

• Suggestions for The Who ("My Generation," "Won’t Get Fooled Again" — [28:06])
• The case for "Bohemian Rhapsody," "Satisfaction," and "Freebird" as overlooked essentials.

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2. IKF’s Subtle Yankees Shade & Clubhouse Culture ([22:20]–[38:34])

Isaiah Kiner-Falefa’s Comments ([22:43])

• IKF (now with the Blue Jays) remarks he’d rather face the Yankees than the Red Sox in last year’s playoffs, taking a thinly veiled shot at his former team:

  "Looking at this staff and what we have here, it's pretty obvious... the window's open. Team's ready to go... Now, I don't know if everyone is really from the outside—I don't know if people were expecting Boston to get in last year, but I know in Toronto we were happy that they lost because... we weren't ready for Crochet and all those guys... now we've made a bunch of additions." ([22:43])

• The hosts dissect whether IKF’s comments are truly disrespectful, or just blunt honesty about the Yankees’ standing.

• Rosenberg ([23:19]):
  "He never mentioned the Yankees and Yankee fans are upset... but was he wrong?"

• Don ([23:28]):
  "Where's the lie? The Yankees... swept them in four games in Toronto. Why wouldn't you want to play the Yankees if you were the Blue Jays?"

Yankees Culture & Retaliation

• Discussion on how the Yankees today lack the “edge” and intimidation factor of 1990s teams.

• Hosts note Judge’s quiet leadership and the overall “corporate” nature of the Yankees:

  "This is the way we do things. We're buttoned up. They wear pinstripes almost like a suit on Wall Street." – Rosenberg ([35:19]) "But I think the consensus about them is all the teams know we can… we can say what we want about them." – Don ([38:10])

The New York “Grit” Question

• Comparisons to the Knicks and the idea that both teams feel “too soft,” lacking performative grit, or outward displays of toughness to inspire fans and warn rivals.
• The city’s appetite for teams “with an edge,” contrasted with the modern, buttoned-up approach.

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3. New York Giants: Jackson Dart and Quarterback Grit ([41:51]–[46:45])

Phil Simms on Dart's Playstyle

• Giants legend Phil Simms urges QB Jackson Dart to be more careful as a runner:

  "If he wants to be the quarterback of the New York Giants, then he better learn to get down when he's running the football much better... I expect Jackson Dart to be a different player taking care of himself big time this coming year." ([41:51])

• Hosts agree the narrative of Dart being reckless is somewhat overblown, contextualizing aggressive play as a rookie's effort to spark a bad team.

• Don ([42:45]):
  "To ask him to just suddenly turn into a straight up pocket passer, it’s crazy... This is who you drafted."

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4. Jets QB Discussion: The Malik Willis Option ([47:04]–[48:48])

• Phil Simms advocates for the Jets to pursue Malik Willis, describing him as the highest-upside, least-known young quarterback available.

  "If the Jets go out and get Malik Willis, I would say that's a home run. He's learned to play the game..." – Simms ([47:04])

• Hosts agree Willis’ ceiling is enticing and offers the most unknown upside among available options, compared to known quantities like Kyler Murray or Derek Carr.

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5. Quick Hits & NBA Injury Update ([48:55]–[50:35])

• Don gives a rundown of Knicks/Sixers injuries and betting lines, joking about the struggle to predict outcomes with so many star players out.
• The segment closes with the usual comedic back-and-forth as the hosts lock in their picks.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the lists:
  "You just can't tell somebody that doesn't have an edge, get an edge. You gotta acquire a player that has an edge. You gotta get a manager that has an edge... you either have it or you don't." – Rosenberg ([32:48])

• On NY Sports DNA:
  "There's also a frustration with the style of personality. While the '90s teams were fun because they won a lot... they also fought. Yeah, they had dudes." – Don ([29:58])

• On what the Yankees need:
  "Like, a guy like Judge always needs a second sort of marginal guy, you know, the guy that's, like his habitual line stepper." – Don ([37:35])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Kickboxing Milestone – [01:36]
• List Reaction Calls Begin – [05:12]
• Hosts’ Song Lists Read – [13:34]
• Philosophy of Rock and Roll Lists – [14:03]
• Debate on Grit in New York Teams – [29:58], [32:46]
• IKF Comments & Yankees Culture – [22:43], [23:19], [23:28]
• Phil Simms on Jackson Dart – [41:51]
• Jets Quarterback Options/Willis Discussion – [47:04]
• NBA Injury/Betting Update – [48:55]

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Closing Thoughts

This episode, as always, is New York through and through—a rapid-fire blend of deeply nerdy music chat, caustic host-to-host ribbing, passionate caller involvement, and sports talk that marries insight with the city’s trademark snark. If you missed it, you missed classic debates (rock vs. pop! Grit vs. polish!), but the summary above will get you caught up—and maybe fired up—for next time.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Peter]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter]

Don, today was your. Today was your 500th kickboxing class.

[Rosenberg]

Yes. That was so nice.

[Peter]

I'm both impressed and I can't believe that much time has been a lot.

[Rosenberg]

That's crazy. It'll be three years in May. So I did it under three years. And thanks to Kimball, I come in and and my spot in the gym at New journey. He's got three balloons, one with a five, and the two zeros 500. He got me a bedazzled met tumbler.

[Peter]

Bedazzled Tumblr.

[Rosenberg]

Kimball, really? And the thing that makes me emotional about it is when I first walked into then it was cko, right? And now it's New Journey is he had a shirt that said 500 classes. And I'm thinking to myself, madge, imagine getting to 500 classes.

[Don Hahn]

Look at you.

[Rosenberg]

And now I got the 500 classes. But that was nice of Kimball Kimbo. Kimball.

[Peter]

I forgot about that.

[Rosenberg]

You got to meet him at the beach bash, right? Yeah, yeah. No, he's a tremendous human being. By the way, just shout out to Kimball today.

[Don Hahn]

Backing up the Smells Like Teen Spirits story. Or friend of the show. Ned Hayden, who was a great rocker back in his day, said Ad Rock's wife, Kathleen Hannah was in a band called Bikini Kill.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

She came up with Smells Like Teen Spirit. He's like it was a deodorant.

[Peter]

It was a deodorant.

[Don Hahn]

Well, it was, again, body Close enough. Whatever. But still, it was called Teen Spirit.

[Peter]

Now, I just. I. I don't want to cause any problems.

[Rosenberg]

Love it.

[Peter]

I was just in the hallway. John Winthrop was eviscerating Don's list.

[Don Hahn]

Well, eviscerating.

[Rosenberg]

I have no respect for his music.

[Peter]

And that's what he said. I said, you should come on the air. And he said, but Don has no.

[Rosenberg]

Respect for my music.

[Peter]

But it was. It was a very. It was a pure evisceration.

[Rosenberg]

No, he.

[Don Hahn]

Full evisceration.

[Peter]

I will say this.

[Rosenberg]

Be like being berated by a child.

[Peter]

I will say this.

[Rosenberg]

You just walk away.

[Peter]

The list is. It still is shocking. Not in terms of the greatness of the songs, but. But, like, I don't even consider. I know it sounds crazy. Like, I don't know. I barely consider Pet Sounds a rock and roll album.

[Don Hahn]

But it was impeachable. But it was influential.

[Peter]

No, no. It's one of my favorite albums of all time. But I'm saying God only knows. To me, I don't even associate that with rock and roll.

[Don Hahn]

But you don't think it sounds like rock. No. Right, right. That I understand.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

I was surprised.

[Phil Sims]

It is.

[Peter]

It's just Don took a very broad.

[Don Hahn]

I was.

[Peter]

You took the culture. You almost could have replaced the word rock and roll on Don's list with pop music in popular. Like, how different would the list have been if he had said popular music? I would argue, was the same list for Don. For me, mine was distinctly different than what my popular music.

[Don Hahn]

Knocking on Heaven's Door wasn't exactly popular.

[Peter]

But you know what I'm saying. But you know what I'm saying, though?

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know what.

[Peter]

You guys both got distracted because Anthony.

[Rosenberg]

I just started hearing screaming in the other room.

[Don Hahn]

The Italian goalie, and it's not. Dipiet made an unreal save on a break.

[Peter]

I mean, with. No question about it. But we're talking about the list, for God's sake.

[Don Hahn]

Right? We are talking about the list on a sports show.

[Rosenberg]

All right, let's. Let's. Let's hear it. I didn't interrupt.

[Don Hahn]

I didn't interrupt.

[Rosenberg]

I.

[Don Hahn]

We heard you through the glass.

[Rosenberg]

That's not my fault.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, no, it's. It's.

[Rosenberg]

There's a.

[Peter]

It's a lot of problems with respect to Olympic hockey. I think both have an equal place on this show.

[Don Hahn]

It's not even the U.S. we got reactions to this.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, we got reactions. Let's start with Nick and Emerson. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Nick?

[Caller/Listener]

Good afternoon, boys.

[Rosenberg]

What's up?

[Caller/Listener]

I Very much. I was really looking forward to that list all day. I can't lie. And I find myself a little disappointed for a couple reasons. Now, I don't know if you could tell I'm a younger male. I'm 33 years old. I'll be 33 next month. But my parents grew me up on classic rock, so I feel like I can formulate a decent opinion.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

Fact that there was only. The fact that there was only one Led Zeppelin song. Alan, Kudos.

[Don Hahn]

Was it the right song? Was it the right song, though? Immigrant Song was the right song.

[Rosenberg]

I could. I thought I toyed with Stairway, but I felt like there's an equal amount of people that are tired of it as much as it always ends up number one. But I hear you.

[Caller/Listener]

I'm glad. I'm glad you said that, Don. Because, Alan, Immigrant songs, phenomenal. But the best Led Zeppelin song is Cashmere between the vocals and the instrumentals, the guitar and the drums going the way they do.

[Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Caller/Listener]

To me it's second to none anyway. But I'm not. I'm not going to get on you about that.

[Phil Sims]

Whatever.

[Caller/Listener]

How does nobody have. And Don, I'm pretty sure it's probably not your style. Peter, I'm a little surprised maybe didn't have this Bohemian Rhapsody, not only maybe the most popular song of all time, but the way. The way it resonated through generations. And Peter, I believe you said, I forget which song that to this day, no matter how old you are, that song still resonates Bohemian Rhapsody to this day.

[Peter]

So my issue with Bohemian Rhapsody, though, in a bar. I hear you. We talked about this yesterday. Now again, maybe on Don's list, it would have made more sense in my opinion, when you. If I was talking popular music, I'd have a conversation about Bohemian Rhapsody. It just doesn't scream rock and roll.

[Don Hahn]

Well, here's also another operatic.

[Peter]

It's something else.

[Don Hahn]

And I'll, I'll. I'll defend you with this one. It had to be brought back to life in a movie 15 years after it was released to then make you go, oh, wait, that's pretty good.

[Rosenberg]

See that. That's where I went. I had. I had. I thought about putting it on my list. Thought about it, but it really was. It was a song that it was. It was a perfect storm. Like it did very well when it came out. And then it. Then it died.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And then it was resurrected with two reasons. One, Wayne's World, and then when Freddie passed away. And then it kind of. And now it's. It's taken on a life its own. Certainly belongs in the conversation. If I were to go Queen, though, I might go with We Are the Champions. Just how that is used all over the world. Anytime, buddy, somebody wins a championship. But that's why we do these lists. They're so debatable. AJ In Michigan. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, aj?

[Caller/Listener]

Gentlemen, as always, love the show. And I really, really enjoy that you guys are, like, diving into the music conversations and stuff like that. Because I'm not going to say Michael K will be talking about spring training right now, but it wouldn't be the same. But, Don, I do have a question for you, because yesterday, prefaced by, I was very much looking forward to this list, and I think your music taste definitely wasn't what I expected. But as someone who is relatively younger, I was introduced to rock as more of, like, the arena rock, if you will, the Earl Jam, Van Halen, Guns N Roses, Bon Jovi era, and stuff like that. So I can understand you not necessarily putting them as, like, top fives, if you will, but you expressed a little bit of displeasure with that era in the past and everything. And I was just kind of wondering as to why that was the case.

[Rosenberg]

Especially with, I feel like. And you know, how much I love metal. I just don't think metal resonates across the board to everyone the way it resonates with me now. So that's why I just think that as much as I love metal, most, a lot of people don't. Right. Didn't get airplay. MTV hardly ever played. The first ever metal song to hit the top 40 was mental health by Quiet Riot. Quiet Riot. Like, it took a while for people to really recognize the genre.

[Don Hahn]

So Headbangers Bald was like a separate show.

[Rosenberg]

I think people are missing it, but the fact that people missed it tells you about my feeling is, I believe once we hit the 80s, music, to me, lacked a lot of substance.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

And it felt like it was more about kind of the wham, bam, thank you, ma', am, how you look. Once MTV came, it was more like how I looked. What's the video gonna be like? The songs lack substance. It was. That's why it's like the stripper music. It's all about the hot girls. Put them in the video. Not that those songs aren't great, Whitesnake, but to me, they don't have the same relevance to me. That's why I kick it more old school. Van Halen was my favorite band growing up. I love Van Halen, right? And they have a bunch of really good songs that I could think about putting on that list. But to me, they started to lack substance as they got older. And the mtv, it just. It got corny to me. And I think I wanted more substance in my list. And I think once we hit, when MTV came in 81, I think a lot of music lacked substance.

[Don Hahn]

Video killed the radio star. I put a lot of time into this, as, you know, Don and I tried. I wanted an 80s song bad couldn't. I just couldn't do it. Because in the end, we know heavy metal, all that stuff. What is the impact of the song? Never mind the popularity of it. Did it have an impact that just. Everyone is drawn to it and the closest I could come was Master of Puppets. There was a lot of copycat off Master of Puppets, sure, for years in the metal. But in that world. In that world, and I think that people don't understand, this is not a list of our favorite songs. This was a list of songs that through research, we found to be the most influential for whatever reasons that we consider. And none of us are wrong.

[Rosenberg]

Well, the audience thinks that we are. At least for the most part. We'll see. Steve and New Fairfield, you're on espn, New York.

[Peter]

What's up, Steve?

[Phil Sims]

Hey, boys.

[Caller/Listener]

I give you effort, man. I mean, you gave a lot of thought to it. And that's a colossal undertaking.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, we knew we were going to fail going in. And so I'm not gonna get mad at any of the criticism because there's no way to be right. There's no way to win this.

[Don Hahn]

This was a suicide mission. We were willing to do.

[Rosenberg]

Great. Way to put it. It was a suicide mission.

[Caller/Listener]

There was three songs that I wondered if you gave consideration to. You guys just brought up the one. I don't think being your rhapsody needed to breathe was brought back by a movie. I think it kind of cheapened it. Just like the stupid drug commercials that they use. Every popular song you love. Great rhapsody. Just a uniqueness of it. I mean, it's. It's. There's got to be top five, top 10. I'm not ripping you guys.

[Rosenberg]

If we went to 10, I'd have it on there for sure. But five is. It's. Like I said, it's a colossal undertaking for sure.

[Caller/Listener]

And the other two, one the band I love and it's probably one of my most least favorite songs of them, but it is them and they're too huge. That they have to be represented is Satisfaction. I don't love the cons that the tires.

[Phil Sims]

You know.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah. I mean, not my favorite song. I thought that if you considered that. And thirdly, this kind of falls parallel a little bit to me with Stairway, just a monster classic is Freebird.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know if I was.

[Don Hahn]

I had Freebird on my list.

[Rosenberg]

Free. Listen, free bird. Bob O'Reilly from the whole. Like I said, Hotel California. There was a. It's. It's really. It's hard to do. I'm not looking for a pat on the back. I'm just saying that, yeah, there's a lot of people that wouldn't bother doing this because they know you're just gonna get rid of.

[Don Hahn]

You should. Like I have the paper I have in my office. There's so many crossouts of all the band that I just. Because I played the. Who you taking out and that. And so there's some good songs.

[Peter]

Does anyone have all the. The songs? Do you guys know Yours by heart? We should probably also reset these for people who are tuning in because there are people joining the conversation who missed us playing the actual song.

[Don Hahn]

I believe it's on Social.

[Advertiser/Announcer]

Did we.

[Rosenberg]

It's all over Social.

[Peter]

We. Did we put up the full list on social media?

[Don Hahn]

You sure about that? I don't see it yet, but I know because Jake was working.

[Rosenberg]

So I got a thumbs up from Anthony that it's up.

[Peter]

All right, well, mine. Mine was Tutti Frutti by Little Richard, Fortunate Son by Creedence Clearwater Revival. It was Cult of Personality by Living Color, Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana and Seven Nation army by the White Stripes.

[Don Hahn]

Mine was Johnny B. Goode, Purple Haze, Immigrant Song, I Want to hold you'd Hand and Smells Like Teen Spirit.

[Rosenberg]

And I got God Only Knows Day in the Life, Bridge Over Troubled Water, American Pie and Knocking on Heaven's Door from Bob Dylan.

[Peter]

I listen, I'm not going to go where. I'm not going to go where our John Winthrop Went and eviscerate Don's List. I think they're great songs. Every time he says them, though, it is shy. You just hear the songs and I was like, really? None of them hit. I mean, let me say this. You said. Let me put it this way. You said we all were going to fail doing this, but I think you failed the worst of the three of us.

[Don Hahn]

This is.

[Peter]

This is. I think the world may not recover from this list. This is like, how could you. Because they're great songs, but they just feel like rock and roll.

[Rosenberg]

And you're the.

[Peter]

But they.

[Rosenberg]

But there are. They're under rock and roll are.

[Peter]

They are. But like, if you.

[Rosenberg]

If you Google greatest rock and roll songs of all time, you'll find these songs on the list. I did not break from any kind of tradition. These are rock and roll songs. To get all of these songs. When you think of the classic rock stations growing up here in New York, you know, whether it was WNEW Q104, which still plays, you know, classic rock, all these songs get played on those stations.

[Rich Eisen]

But you.

[Peter]

But multiple of the artists could be classified in another genre.

[Rosenberg]

Apparently these kids here really like the rock and roll.

[Don Hahn]

But like Simon and Garfunkel, it is up on Instagram.

[Peter]

It is up now. Thank you, guys. Simon and Garfunkel rubs up against folk.

[Rosenberg]

What is. What they call it? Folk rock.

[Peter]

And it's. And it's pop rock.

[Rosenberg]

It's like, it's all. It's all divisions of rock and roll. I mean, I didn't include a country and western song. Like, if I. If I had thrown a George Jones song on there, you could say, that's not rock and roll.

[Advertiser/Announcer]

I guess here's what it is. I.

[Don Hahn]

And yours may be no punk there either.

[Peter]

Yours may be a deeper. Maybe yours is more thoughtful. I feel on my list, when you play each song within the first three seconds of each one, you. Some part of you goes, that's rock and roll. Whereas your entire list, I don't know if any of them in the first three seconds make you go, that's rock and roll. But they fall into the genre, but they don't connote.

[Don Hahn]

I think they're all classic rock songs.

[Peter]

Bridge over, I guess Bridge over, Bridge over.

[Advertiser/Announcer]

Trouble you.

[Peter]

I don't think of it as classic rock.

[Don Hahn]

I just don't.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, that song gets played that. That, that song is. But, you know, you could go, I. I don't know, like, if I want a really soft rock song. If I played a. Trying to think of something that would have been just, no, you can't play that. You know, it's not Tony Orlando and Dawn or something like that. You know, that falls into rock and roll, too. It just, It's. It's not. You know what I mean?

[Peter]

You know what? I think the bottom line is this. I think I had the best list. And I think most of the people are too gutless to tell the truth, because to say that I had the best rock list would make a lot of the people out there sick to their stomach, so they can't say it.

[Rosenberg]

But everybody's gonna say that their list is the best. Otherwise it wouldn't be their list.

[Peter]

Well, that's exactly right. But in this case, I've been cheating.

[Rosenberg]

But I do believe. And the one thing I'm proud of all of us, because I know those aren't necessarily songs that you have your top five songs of all time.

[Peter]

Well, no, no, but I stuck pretty close to songs that I really love, except Tutti Frutti. I don't go around listening to Tutti Frutti, but I was trying to find something that I thought encapsulated the world.

[Rosenberg]

I'll tell.

[Don Hahn]

Had it. I had Johnny B. Good bumping this morning. And I was like, when you put it up high enough.

[Peter]

No, no, John. Johnny, Be Good is a great record.

[Don Hahn]

It actually sounded really good.

[Peter]

It's a better song than Tutti Frutti.

[Isaiah Kiner-Falefa]

Let's.

[Peter]

Tuti Frutti is a year early.

[Don Hahn]

I'm. I'm really curious to see how many people are. Are on board or. Or jumping off.

[Peter]

So far, not a ton on.

[Rosenberg]

Well, John Lennon called. He's on. Hi, John. You all right? What is this?

[Rich Eisen]

Richard?

[Peter]

Yeah, what's up, buddy?

[Caller/Listener]

Are you talking to John in New York? You got me on the left.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, baby.

[Caller/Listener]

I'm sorry, man. I'm just getting up from work.

[Phil Sims]

Open up my garage.

[Caller/Listener]

Trying to pull in here. Hey, you know, listen, all these people complaining to you guys about, oh, this is a sports show. Shut up.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Caller/Listener]

I know you're not.

[Isaiah Kiner-Falefa]

I know you're not.

[Phil Sims]

I love it.

[Caller/Listener]

It's great. You got a business without a lot of great sports going on here. You guys live in New York. I know you love to talk about the Knicks and everything.

[Isaiah Kiner-Falefa]

I have.

[Caller/Listener]

Whatever. Listen, you guys list are great. Very eclectic, very, you know, all around. Around the place. Who, Alan? Did you have Jimi Hendrix?

[Don Hahn]

Yes. Purple Haze.

[Phil Sims]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

Privilege. Great song. A lot of great songs from Jimmy. Listen to Voodoo Child.

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Caller/Listener]

Voodoo Child has one of the greatest openings to a song probably in the history of me. I mean, if you just listen to the way that comes in with this single and then just. They just smashes it, like, crashes in.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, well, re.

[Caller/Listener]

Listen to that. And then when they come in with the whole, like, band, just come smashing it on. That is one of the greatest, I think, openings.

[Rosenberg]

You know, I couldn't put it on the list because not a lot of people know it. My favorite Hendrix songs. If six was nine. Have you ever heard.

[Caller/Listener]

Oh God, it's a great song, that song.

[Rosenberg]

And for people that Peter will know when I, when I mentioned it to him, it's featured in Turn out to Be nine.

[Caller/Listener]

I don't mind.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, you gotta. You find the beginning of that, Jacob, because it, it, it, it's, it, it so rocks. What was the surfing movie with. There we go. Listen.

[Caller/Listener]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, man.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

Exactly.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, that. That's my favorite Hendrix song. Yeah.

[Peter]

I don't know.

[Caller/Listener]

I can't disagree with that.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Sorry to the YouTubers, but I'm telling.

[Don Hahn]

You, like, that's why I had to put Hendrix on my list. And, and that's a great. Again, like I said, all on the Watchtower to me is like, that's my favorite Hendrix. But Purple Haze, the sound and the.

[Rosenberg]

Stories, Foxy lady, those are the ones.

[Don Hahn]

But, but it just, that changed. You could see that was the time everything turned and people started using the guitar in a different way and starting to use it more with like a studio, you know, production to make it sound different, edgier. That's why I felt like it was influential.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on end whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rosenberg]

A lot of good Queen songs now. Isaiah Kiner Falafa former Yankee, former Yankee.

[Don Hahn]

IKF to you and me.

[Rosenberg]

Current Blue Jay yeah. So camps are opening, pitchers and catchers reporting, and everybody's talking about the upcoming season. And here's what IKF had to say. Throwing a little shade at the Yankees.

[Isaiah Kiner-Falefa]

That was the biggest thing is just I wanted to win a championship. I got close last year and didn't work out. You know, looking at this staff and what we have here, it's pretty obvious that, you know, team, the windows open, team's ready to go. So I'm excited to, to see the young guys grow and really contribute. And yeah, I mean I don't know if everyone is really from the outside. I don't know if people were expecting Boston to get in last year, but I know in Toronto we were happy that they lost because, you know, we weren't ready for crochet and all those guys. So, you know, it's cool to see like, you know, Connolly early step up in the postseason. Now we, you know, made a bunch of additions. So it's going to be fun to watch and you know, I think we're going to do very well now.

[Rosenberg]

He never mentioned the Yankees and Yankee fans are upset because it was almost saying like, yeah, we'd rather face The Yankees than the Red Sox. But was he wrong?

[Don Hahn]

Where's the lie?

[Rosenberg]

They owned him in the regular season, right? Swept them in four games in Toronto. Like, why wouldn't you want to play the Yankees if you were the Blue Jays?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, the Yankees. Yankee pitching staff was decent, but they. They didn't have a Boston hat. And I get it. And here's the thing, though. There's no hesitation to throw. Like, even if that's lightly throwing shade, there's no hesitation because there's no concern about retribution.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, exactly.

[Don Hahn]

You know what I mean? Like, you can say it and even, like, later on, like, pass it off because, you know, like, think about this. You have to be careful in certain circumstances to. To, like, you don't want to wake the sleeping dog, right? Like, you don't want to do anything that's going to suddenly trigger a team that you would be afraid of. So you. You're very careful not to say things about certain players because you don't want them suddenly going, oh, and then you know how maniacal they are about getting you back. The Yankees are not that team. We've learned that. Right. They're. Exactly. Their captain's a great human being and a great player, but he doesn't really believe in any type of intimidation other than winning, which is, you know, it's the gentleman way to do it. But it also will lead to teams like the Dodgers saying what they said after the World Series.

[Rosenberg]

They know they could say it because what are you going to do about it?

[Don Hahn]

You're not going to do anything now because.

[Rosenberg]

And some of it's just like that, you know, taking the high road. So Boone spoke and he was asked what he thought about what IKF had to say about rather facing the Yankees than the Red Sox in the postseason last year.

[Don Hahn]

I guess he was right. A little surprising to hear IKF say that, but whatever, that's fine.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, does it bother you at all?

[Don Hahn]

Not really. Honestly. I mean, you gotta play who you play and whatever.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, I think he was a little aggravated by it. We'll take it back that it was IKF that said it, but that's kind of what the Yankees do. They take the high road. You know, back in the day, Roger Clemens would probably throw inside on ikf.

[Don Hahn]

Don't go that. Quarterback CC Sabathi.

[Rosenberg]

CC Sabathi would definitely do that. Yeah, but nobody on the Yankees are going to do that. Garrett Cole, I don't know.

[Peter]

They.

[Don Hahn]

Garrett Cole?

[Rosenberg]

I don't think so.

[Don Hahn]

No. Maybe.

[Rosenberg]

But I don't. I Don't think that.

[Don Hahn]

I know.

[Rosenberg]

He had that.

[Don Hahn]

He had that bad moment with Demers. I know.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Just, you know, I think he was.

[Don Hahn]

Trying to be funny. And across that. Well, it backfired. I don't think he was being soft. I think he thought it was like almost a joke. Like just made a joke of it and it backfired. I don't, I. I don't think Eric Cole as a pitcher is soft. He's very opinionated. He's got. He has a lot to say.

[Rosenberg]

Well, but again, words don't mean anything. Create a chip on your shoulder. Have it be bulletin board fodder. When's the first game that the Yankees play the Blue Jays in the regular season?

[Don Hahn]

Circle it. What did I say last year?

[Rosenberg]

It should be circled anyway.

[Don Hahn]

What did I say last year going into training, spring training.

[Rosenberg]

Well, what the Dodgers did to you is your motivation.

[Don Hahn]

I'd be red hot. I would want to, like, I would think that what you need to do is get. Gather the group and just before we even get to work, fellas, we're on a mission because this is what they think of us. And this whole year, our whole mission is going to be to make sure that that image, that reputation, whatever it is that people think of us is gone. Right?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

We're going to be the hardest working team. We're going to be this, whatever it is you want to say. We're not going to take any crap from anybody because enough's enough. We're damaging the brand. We're not letting that happen. Clearly that didn't happen. But they got out, great start. Got off some win like it was. The sense was we quiet the critics by winning. That's Judge. And by the way, that's Jalen Brunson.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Your two best teams in town right now are both led by gentlemen.

[Rosenberg]

Right. And that's true.

[Don Hahn]

Don't believe in the idea of knuckling up. They are like, I'll shut them up by beating as long as you get it done. But you got to beat them.

[Rosenberg]

Their first meeting is May 18th. What do we do now? Listen, I understand that the schedules made in September the year before, so they didn't know that they were going to face each other in the playoffs. But why are you not facing a divisional opponent? Yankees, Blue Jays, you know, in September when you were putting the schedule together, that those teams were, you know, going for it last year to win the division and you make it wait six weeks into the year was the first game on what, March 26th.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I'll tell you what, I'm happy because you'll at least have one or two points back. No, that's.

[Rosenberg]

That's true. But by the time we get to May 16th. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Who knows?

[Rosenberg]

Good luck. Remember any of this stuff.

[Don Hahn]

Good point.

[Rosenberg]

JC And West Islip, you're on ESPN New York.

[Caller/Listener]

Yes. Guys, I'd like to add two songs by the who. The first one is My Generation. There's no punk without that song. And it made what the Stones and the Beatles sound like kitty music at that time. That's how cataclysmic and iconic. That was great.

[Rosenberg]

So.

[Caller/Listener]

And number two is Won't Get Fooled Again by the who. Daughtry Scream and Townsend's lyric, which is one of the most quotable in rock history. Meet the new boss.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

Thumbs up. Great group. One of my favorite.

[Rosenberg]

There's got to be a way to be able to put the who, the Rolling Stones. It's tough. It's. It's a really, really tough list. Would you want to say about Boone?

[Caller/Listener]

Well, basically about. Boom. What is he gonna say about this? This is just the same old thing from him. He's very political, and we get the same thing in and out from him every time. Unless they change managers, we're not going to get something different. And what did kind of fulfill. Say that was that controversial?

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Caller/Listener]

Match up well against Crochet. Period. End of story. And match up very well against the Yankees. So. The Yankees. I'm a Yankees fan, but they deserved it.

[Don Hahn]

No, you're right.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, and the same thing last year, too. Like, listen, the Dodgers danced on your grave.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Because they were the world champions. Now, the Blue Jays weren't the world champions, but they went to the World Series. They went to game seven.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, they went.

[Rosenberg]

They're now the team to beat.

[Don Hahn]

They went to the ultimate. Right.

[Rosenberg]

They were right there in one of the great World Series of all time. They did what the Yankees could, right? They tested the Dodger.

[Don Hahn]

They went toe to toe.

[Rosenberg]

No, IKF did not say anything wrong.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

But there's enough there for Boone and the Yankees to be like, all right, we'll see. That was last year. Now it's this year. We'll see. I think Boone was a little taken aback by it, but you're right. He's careful. Be careful. Take the high road. Don't give. Why not?

[Don Hahn]

You're the Yankee way. If we don't stoop to that level. But I think the fans have reached a point where, along with the frustration of the style of play there's also a frustration with the style of personality. You know What? While the 90s teams were fun because they won a lot and they won championships, they also fought. Yeah, they had dudes. Well, like, if you didn't. You didn't mess with that team. Like, they. They didn't take any crap.

[Rosenberg]

Especially. Especially the 96. Not, you know, when Daryl was there. Like, Strawberry really was a major influence.

[Don Hahn]

But that tone was set by then.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

And so there was that sense of, you don't.

[Peter]

It was also a different league.

[Don Hahn]

No, you had guys in the. In the bullpen that were ready to go and, you know, you know, Clemens, when they got him later in the run like that, you didn't mess with that team. This Yankee team with Aaron Judge does feel like a team that you can. You can start stuff with that way. But if you remember as a fan, you're like, come on, guys. Like, show something.

[Rosenberg]

But when you remember when Strawberry left and they got. And the dynasty started, the bill. Yeah, they did get a little passive. I mean, listen, Pedro had his way. He knocked Jeter out. They didn't answer the bell a lot in. Because Tory wasn't that way. You know, so once Strawberry left, they kind of lost their edge. They were so much better than everybody else. It didn't matter.

[Don Hahn]

Wasn't the whole Zimmer thing. Wasn't that after the fact?

[Rosenberg]

Well, look what it took to get to that point. But remember, Jeter was knocked. Pedro knocked Jeter out of a game. They never retaliated. They never threw at anybody. They got mad when they got thrown at.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Did they go after anybody?

[Don Hahn]

You also remember it. Not in recent years, but the last couple of years, the Yankees got hit more than anybody else because they crowded the plate. So their whole thing was, we're aggressive. We're gonna show you that you can hit us, and we're still gonna crowd the plate and make you uncomfortable. But I'm just saying, it's sometimes, you know, sometimes in sports, you need to be performative, sometimes a little theatrics just to, like, let people know. And also, your fan base. Your fan base needs to see something. Like, there's a pulse with this team that goes beyond, hey, we had eight home runs today, so of course we won, right? Like, no, we.

[Rich Eisen]

We.

[Don Hahn]

We grind this one out. This team grinds. Team plays hard.

[Rosenberg]

Peter's right. In the sense that it seems like sports is getting away from that a little bit.

[Don Hahn]

Unless you're in Detroit.

[Peter]

Yeah. I mean, except for.

[Rosenberg]

Just look at the reaction that that happened. Exactly.

[Peter]

Look at the reaction.

[Rosenberg]

It was like, bill, God. You know, people clutch pearls. Now, when all of a sudden you start throwing at people and you start clearing it, it's the politically correct way to kind of just, all right, let's play it out. Let's not get upset. That's why I think if there's ever a team that's just like, hey, I'm not going to take it, that that's an edge that they can create, because I don't think anybody really has that anymore.

[Peter]

But you gotta.

[Rosenberg]

You gotta mean it. You just can't tell somebody that doesn't have an edge, get an edge. You gotta acquire a player that has an edge. You gotta get a manager that has an edge.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

You just can't all of a sudden say, oh, play with an edge. You either have it or you don't.

[Don Hahn]

But it's also the balance, because there's the teams that you say are too passive, and then there's the teams that you like because they play with an edge, but then that edge costs them because they do something that ends up getting them penalized, and it costs them the ability to win in the playoffs. 97, Knicks, a great example. Right. That was a rough and tumble team. It was a really good team. And they fell for a tactic that cost them suspensions at the end of a series that they had full control of and ended up losing. And so there's a delicate balance of, We're a tough team, but it's not like we have to walk with our chest out and prove it every single time. But everybody knows. Yeah. You don't mess with those guys. And I feel like the Yankees haven't really shown that.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, but.

[Don Hahn]

And the Knicks haven't shown it either.

[Rosenberg]

In defense of the Yankees, when the Dodgers did it, they were better. They beat them.

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Rosenberg]

Now the Blue Jays are doing it. Why? Well, they beat him. You know, so there is a humbleness, I guess, to. We just got to start beating these teams. All right?

[Don Hahn]

Then we can. We can grow.

[Rosenberg]

We'll get that. We can crow once we get that. We haven't gotten there.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, no, I know.

[Rosenberg]

You know, because that's the thing, is that these teams are dancing on our grave because we're dead. Let's not have them dance on. Let's beat them. Yeah, but let's. Let's do.

[Don Hahn]

But you get what I'm saying, right? Like, there's also a way in the regular season you can play that just makes people inspired by the extra effort and the. Just put a Little more adrenaline into what you're doing that goes beyond jogging around the bases when you hit home run and glaring into the dugout.

[Peter]

It's funny, last night when the Knicks lost, the way they lost, I was like, it's crazy. This city over the last whatever amount of years has just been this consistent inconsistency where, like, even the teams that are good. Right. Like the Knicks and the Yankees are on the good side.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

And they will have periods where they make you believe.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

And then they appeared. They just like, why can't we have anything? And part. And one of the things they both miss is in a big spot. Are you going to show up with that edge, that attitude, that thing? It's what you talked about hoping Alvarado brings to this team, the Knicks team. But, yeah, the Yankees, since. Since really Brett Gardner left, has not had someone who really does that.

[Rosenberg]

That's been the Yankee negative is. They're very corporate.

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Phil Sims]

We.

[Rosenberg]

This is the way we do things. We're buttoned up. We're. You know, they wear pinstripes almost like as a suit on Wall Street.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Now, that's why Jazz, I think, was such a breath of fresh air. Right. But then what happens? Yankee fans complain. Hey, that's not what the. We don't do that here.

[Don Hahn]

It's not the Yankee way. Yeah, well, that's. But that was Judge, remember.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I know.

[Don Hahn]

Judge did the. We don't do that here. And Judge, I think, is the one that is sort of the gatekeeper of all this, because he's the one that. You see, I've seen it almost seems like he holds teammates accountable quietly more than he holds opponent accountable for what they do. He's more about that. Like, this is.

[Rosenberg]

It does feel that way, and I get that. But even though the team may not be able to strut because they haven't won anything, Judge can. Because Judge is the best player in the game.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Or at least in the conference. You know him, Ohtani, whatever. But he can kind of walk around with a chip on his shoulder and nobody's going to say, who are you? No, who are you? He's Aaron Judd.

[Don Hahn]

That's why I'm waiting for him to get to a point in his career where he realizes his stature in the game, not. No pun intended, and that when somebody on the other team is acting up or running their mouth and he happens to be on second base and maybe it's the second baseman, in a quiet moment before the next pitch, he just turns to him and goes, hey, by the way what you did there, that was, you know.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Just so you know, he does glare.

[Rosenberg]

I'm setting him.

[Don Hahn]

He does the look into the dugout thing when he's rounding third.

[Peter]

Yeah. But if that's. Let's be honest. If that's the most that we can pull out, there's not a lot there.

[Don Hahn]

That's what I mean. I haven't seen him. I've seen him look before, like, have a conversation with.

[Rosenberg]

And the funny thing is, he can rag doll half the league.

[Don Hahn]

Yep. Easily.

[Peter]

But it's not him. It doesn't matter whether you can or not.

[Don Hahn]

He's never been there. That's not a bad thing.

[Peter]

No. Will. Another year of jazz would be being here another year. Can that do it? Can that give you.

[Don Hahn]

He's kind of like one of these, like, you know, his mood depends on the day. He's not consistent enough to be that kind of.

[Rosenberg]

No, he's not. But this is the best.

[Peter]

Right. He has, like, spunk, but he's not, like.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but only when it's going.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

He's not a guy that, like, is. Every day it's the same. You're getting the same grit.

[Rich Eisen]

Right.

[Peter]

Draymond could be over 11. It's the same Draymond.

[Rosenberg]

He's getting ready for 11. He's not.

[Peter]

Doesn't match.

[Rosenberg]

But, you know, you are what you are, and it's working for Judge. But you make, you know, a little bit of something, which is. Wouldn't be off, but it's also why.

[Don Hahn]

Like, a guy like Judge always needs a second sort of marginal guy, you know, the guy that's, like his habitual line stepper.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Like, you kind of need that to balance it.

[Rosenberg]

You do, for sure.

[Don Hahn]

So it's like, you know, that whole thing, you got a problem. You know, what are you gonna do about it? Oh, no. When I get mad, he takes care of him. Yeah. Not me. No. You don't worry about me. You gotta worry about him. And that's, I think, also, you know, Stanton is a big, strong guy, but we know he's not gone. It's not. But he's respected, but he's not going to die. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

So they.

[Don Hahn]

They. I don't want to say the Yankees come off as soft, but I think the consensus about them is all the teams know we can. We can say we want about them. And I think there is a bunch of the fan base that just wishes they had a little more grit to them. Yeah. And not allow some of the stuff that's being said I just think as a fan you take that stuff personal and you wonder do the place take it as personal as I do for sure.

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[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

Getting reminded and people make a Good point. Like IKF is probably motivated to say it because of TVs on now, of course, but it doesn't make it any less aggravating for sure. Phil Sims spoke oh on Bart and Carlin today and the great Phil Sims commented on Dart's aggressive playstyle.

[Phil Sims]

If he wants to be the quarterback of the New York Giants, then he better learn to get down when he's running the football much better than he did last year as far as that. And I think it's an easy correction. I think he's kind of standing up for himself right now. But the coaches, you know, listen, John Harbaugh, no matter what you think of him, he's a tough guy. So he's going to here's what we're doing now. If you don't want to do this, then we'll put somebody else in there and that's how you get through to it. So I expect Jackson Dart to be a different player taking care of himself big time this coming year.

[Rosenberg]

It's interesting that that that seemed a little aggressive from Phil. Like, I don't think it's an issue to the point where you're going to have to bench him.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Rosenberg]

Now he's going to end up benching himself because now he's going to go sit in a tent because he got a hit to the head and now can't play for like a series. But do you really ever think it did ever get to a point where you're like, we're going to have to.

[Don Hahn]

Sit this kid down?

[Rosenberg]

No, I didn't think so.

[Don Hahn]

No. And again, this is who he is. He has to learn to adjust. But to ask him to just suddenly turn into a straight up pocket passer, it's crazy. Josh Allen has to learn it. Lamar Jackson had to learn. Everybody has to learn it. He will learn it. But this is who he is. This is who you drafted. And it's a mistake to suggest that he has to make a dramatic change.

[Peter]

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

[Don Hahn]

I feel like I know what Phil's trying to say. I just think he was a little aggressive in saying it.

[Peter]

Yeah, people just sort of overdo it with this thing.

[Don Hahn]

If you don't do it, we're going to sit.

[Rosenberg]

I'm surprised. It's a constant conversation. It really is.

[Peter]

He's not a small guy. This can be handled.

[Don Hahn]

And you know what? So Stephen A. Had an interaction with him at the super bowl at some event, and he stopped to see him. And Jackson Dart was very polite. And all Stephen A said was, you know, you take care of yourself and Jackson darts. Yeah, I got it. He goes, no, seriously, he's like, we need you. And he's like, we need you out there. And he's like, take care of yourself and Jackson Darts. Like, no, I hear you. I hear you. I know I will. Then Stephen A's point to his head like, we need you out there. And he's pointing to his head. It was like, Stephen A. Was even trying to, like, tell him how important it is. Everybody. It's like, if you're Jackson Dart, everybody you see, he might go, like, go get gas, right? He might go to Wawa. And you're gonna get somebody going, hey, you know, you gotta slide more, right? He's gonna hear from everybody now.

[Peter]

And I really.

[Don Hahn]

It'd be a funny commercial, though, if you had, like, everywhere goes right before. It's like somebody. He's about to make contact, he just slides.

[Peter]

No, that's a great. There is. There's some product that makes perfect sense.

[Don Hahn]

There is something funny he could do. But.

[Peter]

But it's. It's a.

[Don Hahn]

But it has to be everywhere he goes.

[Peter]

It's a. It's a silly thing, though, to some extent, because what you drafted is not the single greatest pocket quarterback of all time.

[Rosenberg]

No.

[Peter]

You drafted a guy who's got a really good arm, and he also knows when to move it and get out of there. It's part of what makes him who he is.

[Don Hahn]

He's athletic and control.

[Peter]

That's what he is.

[Rosenberg]

I'm not saying Phil falls into this category. I think Stephen A. Smith, I think, certainly does. If you're on a national level, you're not watching the Giants every game. The team stunk. But what you're catching is, hey, this kid's pretty good. But, you know, four times in the tent, they show highlights of him, you know, diving head first. If you watch the Giants every day, this isn't the first thing you think of. It's in the conversation. I get it. But I think it's a lot of national people. All of a sudden, he just got pigeonholed and, oh, he's the guy that dies headfirst he's the guy that's irresponsible with his body. That's not the case.

[Peter]

Yeah, no, but when you're four and.

[Rosenberg]

Eight as a starting quarterback and the Giants are out of it, you know, on Halloween, then what are you doing?

[Peter]

And a couple of you have to remember in a couple of those games, you have a rookie quarterback playing on a bad football team who desperately wants to have positive moments and wins. So there's desperate moments where you're going to dive head first to get a first down because you desperately want to secure your first win.

[Don Hahn]

Another good point.

[Peter]

You can't just would take a knee on those plays. He's a rookie.

[Don Hahn]

He's trying to be.

[Rosenberg]

And I. Yeah, and I think there was the commander's game late in the season where he went to the tent and it was shown on the replay. His head never got hit.

[Peter]

Yeah, it just went.

[Rosenberg]

It just. It's too much already. It's become too much of a narrative. Phil, how can Dart avoid the sophomore slump?

[Phil Sims]

You know, you're going to be a different guy the second year. It's going to look different to you as a quarterback. Everything look, it's true, it does look slower. And now you got a little look at the, the game plan or whatever I want to say there, and you should improve, you know what's coming and you should be able to adapt to it better this year, of course, than you did last year. But listen, overall, Jackson Dart adapted about everything in every game. I don't think I watched one game and went, wow, he played really bad. No, usually well, he played good. And the rest of them was like, well, he played really well. There's no doubt the Giants got a franchise quarterback in Jackson Darth.

[Rosenberg]

Now he'll have to adjust to a new, you know, coaching staff and all that. But listen, it's a thing, right? Sophomore slumps, a thing. And we'll see if he experiences any of it. But Vegas doesn't think so. They're supposed to double their win total according to them. Now to the Jets, Phil, which quarterback should the jets look to acquire?

[Phil Sims]

When I look at the New York jets and see some of the hires they got, I don't know if they're looking for a guy like Tyler Murray. I think they're really looking for, you know, maybe a poor man, Sam Darnold or something, I would say this. Malik Willis a couple years ago down in Tennessee showed everybody what we have seen since he's been in Green Bay. But they moved him. They wanted Levitz, who They drafted in the second round, so they let him go. And we saw these last two years when he gets in the game, how good he is. Now, if the jets go out and get Malik Willis, I would say that's a home run. He's learned to play the game. When he was in college, he looked over on the defense. Soon as the ball was snapped, he took off running and it worked really well. But now he makes great decisions. He stays in the pocket until you make him leave. Maybe the biggest thing is his arm. You know, I studied him in college, and his arm is much better in the pro game than I ever thought it would be. So I would say go after Malik Willis. He'll fit the coaching staff and what I think they'll probably do on the offensive side.

[Rosenberg]

I like that.

[Peter]

I do think Malik Willis is the most exciting option available. Do you. Would you guys agree?

[Rosenberg]

I don't disagree.

[Peter]

The most potential untapped ceiling that we have not seen.

[Don Hahn]

Definitely the most interesting.

[Peter]

Yeah. Like you. You could go into it and go, do we have someone?

[Don Hahn]

Maybe they got him right there, too. He's in the floor. That whole system where you can't do that.

[Peter]

Respectfully, we know. We pretty much know Kyler Murray's situation.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. And Cousins. And Cousins.

[Don Hahn]

We definitely know Derek Carr if he comes back.

[Peter]

Derek Carr is a bit of a wild card, but, you know, what you imagine is he's gonna be a. Probably a version of the last Derek Carr. We know who that is. Malik Willis is the only one who, like. Yeah, we don't know what the best happened.

[Don Hahn]

You get my attention for sure. Right. So it'd be interesting. It's going to cost.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, see, that's the other issue, too. It's going to. It's going to cost rather than just, you know, plucking a free agent like you would with Cousins.

[Don Hahn]

Can I give you a quick NBA injury update? Here we go. What do you got? All right, tonight, Knicks at Sixers. Right. We'll have the coverage right after our show at 7. We know Ananobi is out again, so he'll be out. The Sixers embiid out. That's interesting, right? Quentin Grimes also out. We know Paul George is out because he's been suspended from the. What's the right word? I don't want to say the drug thing, but he had used a banned substance.

[Peter]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

So he's out. One more thing. Paces are in Brooklyn back to back. Right. All their guys are out. So last night, I was going to.

[Rosenberg]

Say the Nets are going to win.

[Don Hahn]

By Third, last night there was money on the table.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, there's no money.

[Don Hahn]

And Rick Carlisle's like, get this one and you can all have tomorrow off.

[Peter]

I'm going to look at the next one.

[Don Hahn]

And these guys went crazy last night. No McConnell, no Nemhard. No N.E. smith. No Seattle. All of them out.

[Rosenberg]

This is, this is a milk crate with a T shirt over it.

[Don Hahn]

Real quick.

[Peter]

So give me your guys, give me your guys.

[Rosenberg]

Pick on the line. Oh, that's seven and a half.

[Don Hahn]

Seven and a half.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. No, they're coming off a win against Chicago. Pacers aren't playing anybody. Second to back to backs.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not going any higher than five.

[Rosenberg]

Seven and a half.

[Peter]

Well, are you playing? Game show rules. It's six and a half.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, I'm out because I went over, but.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but you're right there.

[Peter]

That's now the Knicks line. Knicks are minus two and a half at the Sixers.

[Rosenberg]

Really?

[Peter]

That's appealing to me.

[Don Hahn]

Minus two and a half second even back to back.

[Peter]

Yeah, but they. People expect this Knicks team to be a team that doesn't lose two in a row. That's what you expect.

[Don Hahn]

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