Hour 3: Mets Win Opener

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 3: Mets Win Opener (March 26, 2026)

Episode Overview

This episode celebrates the New York Mets’ impressive Opening Day victory, dives into the intricacies of early-season baseball overreactions, and balances it all with lively debates on sports fandom, music genres (specifically “yacht rock”), and listener calls. With Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, Don La Greca, and a few notable callers, the hour blends big-league analysis with lighthearted banter and classic New York sports radio energy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mets' Opening Day Victory & New Team Identity

• Opening Segment [02:27]: The hosts recap the Mets’ win over the reigning Cy Young winner, Paul Skenes.
  • Audio Highlight: Howie Rose’s radio call of Brett Baty’s bases-clearing triple.
  • "This has been a near perfectly executed offensive first inning for the New York Mets with their new philosophy and new talent." — Howie Rose [02:45]
• Working the Count: The new “offensive philosophy” focuses on patience and grinding out at-bats.
  • Mets walked nine times. “Yeah, that’s working the count.” — Alan Hahn [04:11]
  • “Nine, nine, nine walks... a complete offensive effort.” — Peter Rosenberg [05:33]
• Carson Binge’s Big Debut [04:17, 05:04]
  • First Major League hit: a home run, described by Howie Rose and summed by manager Carlos Mendoza’s praise for Binge’s calm, approach-driven plate presence.
  • “He controls the strike zone, he walks, there’s a couple of walks there and then he gets a pitch that he can do damage and goes to pull side.” — Carlos Mendoza [05:04]
• New Faces Shine (except Bichette) [05:33]
  • Positive contributions from other newcomers (Robert, Polanco, Simeon), but Bichette (0-4, 3 K, 1 RBI) gets called out.
  • Emphasis on Alvarez’s health and contribution: “Another important guy is Alvarez, right, keeping him healthy...” — Alan Hahn [05:33]
• Pitching Woes Still Exist: Peralta struggled, but the offense made up for any pitching lapses.

2. Early Season Baseball Reactions & Judge Debate

• Annual Offense vs. Pitching Trends [06:55]
  • Questioning whether it’s normal to see more offense early in baseball seasons, or if it’s pitching that usually leads.
  • “Is it the hitting that's not there yet or the pitching that's not there yet?” — Alan Hahn [06:57]
• Yankees & Overaction to Aaron Judge [07:29+]
  • Discussing media and fan tendency to overreact to Aaron Judge’s 0-for-4 with four strikeouts despite a team win.
  • “Is Aaron Judge overrated? Is Aaron Judge washed up? These are things that people have been kicking around... It’s stupid. Of course it’s stupid.” — Alan Hahn [08:18]
  • “If he’s batting .099 in May or June, then we can have that conversation.” — Don Hahn [09:20]
  • Host consensus: Don’t get sucked into hot-take debates after one game.
  • Memorable line: “People debating on whether [Judge] is done is not a logical conversation I want to breathe life into.” — Peter Rosenberg [11:13]

3. NBA & Knicks Playoff Picture/Coaching Carousel

• Spike from St. Pete Calls In [11:55]
  • Wide-ranging NBA thoughts: Knicks’ chances, Celtics’ strength, skepticism about “modern NBA,” tanking teams, and comments on coaches.
  • Praise for Knicks’ center play and hopes for postseason success.
  • “I think the Knicks have as good a chance to come out of the east as anybody... these teams are going to beat the crap out of Brunson.” — Spike [13:58]
• Knicks, Celtics, and Charlotte Forecasts
  • Watch out for Charlotte, on the edge of playoff qualification with key wins possible ([14:00]).
• Coaching Carousel: Jeff Van Gundy & Tibs [14:48-16:44]
  • Discussions on which teams might pursue Jeff Van Gundy or Tom Thibodeau ("Tibs") as head coach.
  • Tibs described as a “fixer” coach—he’ll get your team right, then move on: “He’s not your forever man... he helps you find real love, and then... moves on.” — Don Hahn [16:07]

4. Drop Madness & Listener Engagement

• Drop Madness Update [18:54+]:
  • Recap of the show’s soundbite bracket “Drop Madness,” with vote counts, upsets and controversies.
  • “Anyone who votes against the children of the show hates children.” — Don Hahn, teasing Peter Rosenberg’s earlier comment [20:40]
  • Lively engagement with show drops and ongoing in-show jokes.
• Calandra’s Bakery Ticket Promo [21:44+]
  • Humorous discussion of sports-themed bakery cookies (“Just scrape off the name!”) and how baked goods can be rebranded for different fandoms.

5. Yacht Rock — Debate Over Genre & 'Cheesy' Songs

• Deep Dive: Yacht Rock vs. Serious Music [27:08-45:24]
  • Don expresses frustration with the “Yacht Rock” label, arguing it belittles genuinely well-crafted songs:
    • “It really implies it’s a genre that’s silly. And it’s not... Dirty Work is not a silly song.” — Don Hahn [27:38]
  • Alan: Most so-called “yacht rock” songs are musically rich and have depth ([28:34]).
  • Lively on-air review: “Moonlight Feels Right” by Starbuck is crowned the “cheesiest” yacht rock song due to its wild xylophone solo:
    • “That song... that xylophone literally sounds like a scene in Anchorman.” — Don Hahn [32:29]
    • “I got a hankering and the only cure is more xylophone.” — Don Hahn [34:05]
    • “If it does fall apart, the xylophone will build it back up.” — Peter Rosenberg [31:27]
  • Listener Mike calls in to clarify: the label is more about the demographic (“rich boat vibes”) than musical quality; the hosts ultimately agree.

6. Sports Knowledge, Trivia, and Listener Q&A

• Richard from Manhattan [34:22, 36:43]
  • Explains a pivotal moment in Northeast college basketball history—St. John’s beating Duke in 1979.
  • Shares an esoteric but true Mets stat: “The Mets won the World Series before they ever won on Opening Day.” [34:22]
  • College basketball picks: Alan and Peter both take the favorites (Duke, Arizona, Michigan, Houston) over the rest of the field ([36:56]).
  • NBA trivia: Michael Ray Richardson credited with the “high dribble” before Magic Johnson.
    • “He had a crossover, a high crossover, if you remember... but the NBA was changing at that time.” — Richard [37:41]

7. Coaching Credentials in Big-Time Sports

• Caller Question [46:20]
  • Should managers/coaches without big-league playing experience be hired in top jobs? (Prompted by the Giants’ hiring Tony Vitello.)
  • Hosts’ view: There will always be critics, but success (or failure) matters more than résumé. “The proof is only in the pudding.” — Don Hahn [47:24]
  • Warn against copycatting just one successful outlier (like Sean McVay in the NFL). Early returns shouldn’t dictate the experiment’s future ([48:01]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This has been a near perfectly executed offensive first inning for the New York Mets with their new philosophy and new talent.” — Howie Rose [02:45]
• “Is Aaron Judge overrated? Is Aaron Judge washed up? These are things that people have been kicking around... It’s stupid. Of course it’s stupid.” — Alan Hahn [08:18]
• “If he’s batting .099 in May or June, then we can have that conversation.” — Don Hahn [09:20]
• “He’s not your forever man... he helps you find real love, and then... moves on.” — Don Hahn, describing Tibs [16:07]
• “If it does fall apart, the xylophone will build it back up.” — Peter Rosenberg, during the Starbuck song breakdown [31:27]
• “That xylophone literally sounds like a scene in Anchorman in which, like, Ron Burgundy would start playing the xylophone.” — Don Hahn [32:29]
• “It really implies it’s a genre that’s silly. And it’s not... Dirty Work is not a silly song.” — Don Hahn [27:38]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Mets' Big First Inning & Calls: [02:27] - [05:04]
• Carson Binge’s Debut & Postgame Comments: [04:17] - [05:33]
• Judge/Yankees Overreactions & Hot Takes: [07:29] - [11:32]
• Spike’s NBA Call/Coaching Talk: [11:55] - [16:44]
• Drop Madness Soundbite Bracket: [18:54] - [21:14]
• Yacht Rock Music Debate: [27:08] - [45:24]
• Richard’s College Basketball/NBA Trivia: [34:22] - [38:08]
• Coaching Credentials/Lack of Experience: [46:20] - [48:01]

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Tone & Atmosphere

In classic New York sports talk fashion, the tone is sharp, vibrant, and full of wisecracks. Hosts blend analysis with humor, never shying from going off on playful tangents—from sports media hot takes to debates over the cultural meaning of “yacht rock.” The show thrives on chemistry, the blend of knowledge, nostalgia, and good-natured debate.

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This episode is a great listen for any Mets, Yankees, or Knicks fan hungry for local analysis, plus anyone who enjoys sports talk radio that’s as much about personality as it is about the game.

Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I like that it's tolly time.

[Don Hahn]

Let's see what you have here, folks. Knicks and the Hornies. That's happened on Hornets. Oh, Nike, they call them the Hornies.

[Alan Hahn]

No, they don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think they do.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

I don't know. I just saw an interview with Mike Madonna and he was saying he got drafted to the North Stars.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I can confirm.

[Don Hahn]

Who's the best player in Predator history? Don.

[Alan Hahn]

Great question. Come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the statue of him outside.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I guess they know that. Yeah, but I guess that's the answer.

[Alan Hahn]

Have you ever seen the. Don, have you ever seen the SNL skit when. When they.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Nashville Predators. And they just keep using the nickname in. In the most awkward, worst ways possible.

[Don Hahn]

The Preds are. Yes. And the devil's at 8 o'. Clock. Donnie on the call and coverage of the Diamondbacks Dodgers. That is what you dream about. 1050. Yeah. Or a Diamondback thing.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

The Islanders are playing the Stars.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, that part is official and confirmed.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, it's the Dallas sure.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Now, now the Mets just won a ball game and we have. We have a little bit of the. The call here from our good friend Howie Rose right on our 880 airwaves. Are we getting back on there at some point? No, whenever Pre post game is done whenever the post big postgame wraps. All right, here's the call from 880.

[Howie Rose]

The 01 swinging a fly ball hit to center right at Cruz. Backing up, it's over his head and goes to the wall. In comes Soto, Polanco. Him is Robert. They all score as Robert scores. Standing and going to third with a three run triple is Brett Beatty and the mets have a 4, 2 lead. This has been a near perfectly executed offensive first inning for the New York Mets with their new philosophy and new talent against the reigning Cy young award winner in the National League, Paul Skeens. Four runs in three run triple for Beatty. Four to New York.

[Don Hahn]

How do you like that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What he means by the new philosophy is, you know, working counts, fouling pitches off, making starting pitchers work and that seems to be in the new philosophy and it definitely paid off today.

[Alan Hahn]

And hit it to Cruz.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, which is not an error, but it's an error, right?

[Alan Hahn]

I mean it's totally misplayed, miss everything disaster of a play. And it worked out great for the Met. Now of course they didn't win two nothing, right? So obviously the offense was incredible, but man, that was for a first inning that was tough to watch. If you're Skeens, you turn around like, yeah, I can't wait to get out of here.

[Don Hahn]

Mets walked nine times today, by the way, in case you're wondering.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's working the count.

[Don Hahn]

Nine, nine, nine. Here's another great call from the great Howie Rose.

[Howie Rose]

First pitch, Ben shits it in the air to right field, fairly deep. O'Hearn back at the wall and it's gone. He headed off the canopy in bullpen. Carson Binge makes his first major league hit, a home run. Congratulations to Carson Binge as he gets an enthusiastic pat on the back from third base coach Tim Leeper. An aggressive fist bump from Francisco Alvarez and they're waiting to congratulate the kid in the Mets dugout. Carson Binge. His first major league knockin homer and the mets take a 10 to 5 lead.

[Alan Hahn]

Hmm, that's a hell of a way to get a debut, right?

[Don Hahn]

Absolutely.

[Alan Hahn]

That's your first hit.

[Don Hahn]

And speaking of that debut, the manager Carlos Mendoza spoke on Beng's debut.

[Carlos Mendoza]

Yeah, the personality, who he is is super consistent. He's all for two with couple of strikeouts and he still feels pretty good about his chances. He controls the strike zone, he walks, there's a couple of walks there and then he gets a pitcher that he can do damage and goes to the poolside like that, yeah, I'm not surprised by it because of the personality there. Opening day, first big league game for him, Pack house and he just goes out there and plays his game. So

[Alan Hahn]

that's why he's on the team. That's why I made, that's why he's in the show. Don?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. And you know, a couple of runs scored. It's the home run. I thought Beatty had a great game playing DH all off season, wondering is there a place for him. Right. They go out and they get a third baseman in Bichette, is he going to move to first base, is he going to get traded? And he goes out there, has a three hit day. Yeah, Bichette, not great. Oh, for four with three strikeouts. But he did have an rbi. Robert went two for four in his debut. Polanco went one for three with an RBI in his debut. So Simeon had a two for five with an RBI as well. So with the exception of Bichette, all the new guys contributed. It was a great, great opening day. And another important guy is Alvarez, right, keeping him healthy. Yes, he went two for four with an rbi, so. And nine walks, as Peter said. So just a complete offensive effort, defensive or at least pitching wise. Peralta, not great. Just five innings in the bullpen ended up giving him three additional runs. But again, they were never really, the game was never really in doubt Once, once they opened it up, 748494. That's when some of the runs started to happen. So good opening day for both the locals. Tons of runs. Both want to know, let's go.

[Alan Hahn]

We love that. It's fun. Offense is fun.

[Don Hahn]

It does make the baseball more fun, doesn't it, when you hit the ball and the runs, the scoring now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But isn't it, you know, isn't it

[Alan Hahn]

typical early in a season where the pitching isn't. Is it the hitting that's not there yet or the pitching that's not there yet? I always forget this time of year, what's the thing that we normally see at the start of the baseball season? A lot of offense that slows down or is it the pitching is ahead of the, of the offense and then eventually that picks up?

[Don Hahn]

Well, last year, you remember last year, the Torpedo, the Yankees were cheating with the bats last year. So they were on fire. Talk about a moment in time, cheating. I mean, what a huge, what a huge story that was for five seconds, three days.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, there's the overreaction and this is a positive, I guess that the, both teams won. I mean it's just one of 162. But like listening to Michael's promo that played during the commercial break and I saw a little bit of on social media, I mean people really still kill and judge. I mean, come on know you won seven nothing. All right. He had, he didn't. It wasn't great. Four strikeouts. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, but I mean, is that what it's just basically going to be like judging him every single day?

[Don Hahn]

See what you did?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know that's what we do in New York. I get it. But if they had lost seven nothing, I could understand you're getting unjudged going over four with four strikeouts. But I, I'm looking at it as a good thing. You scored seven runs without, you know,

[Alan Hahn]

Kong getting hit and Tonight he go 4 for 4. 4 home runs for all, you know, like you just like that's what, that's how great he is.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Eleven's a nine.

[Alan Hahn]

It's always like the most recent thing. Right. And so because bad last game of the WBC and then bad opening night game and so conversation about guy who's considered one of the best, if not the best player in the game. This is what we do. And I have seen shows have topic questions such as is Aaron Judge overrated? Is Aaron Judge washed up? Like these are things that people have been kicking around so we can all say like people can't still be doing this. Yeah, they are. It's stupid. Of course it's stupid. But they're doing it because of who he is. Like, come on, it's a three time mvp. He's going to get the weight of expectations. It's just how it's going to go. Plus he's also a Yankee playing in New York and everybody, everybody hates that. So you're going to get a lot of national negative, national attention. He got booed. Walked up to the plate last night. I heard the booze. That's his hometown.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I get that because he's the enemy and what happened. Let's get around. If everybody's going to give us.

[Alan Hahn]

Not every Yankee got booed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. But if everybody's going to give a standing ovation to Jack Hughes for scoring the golden goal.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If this World Baseball Classic means something, I can understand people in San Francisco go, you know, boo and judge for going over four or three strikeouts and cost in the USA a World Baseball Classic gold medal, like so I get that. But also you're being used people and, and again, I'm not, I'm not Gonna get on Michael for Peter. But, like, all right, so people are going to use Judge, who's the biggest star in the game, to kind of create clicks and create attention by making. Is he done? Is he cooked? Is it. Dude, ignore that, because if that's a topic of conversation, you don't know baseball. You don't know Aaron Judge. You don't know Jack. So why. Why am I breathing air into. You know, just people that are just looking for attention by coming up with these dumb subjects. You know, if he's batting 99 in May or June, then we can have that conversation.

[Don Hahn]

But, guys, they also for eight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

With seven strikeouts in his last two games, counting the World Baseball Classic in game one. Oh, my God, he's done.

[Don Hahn]

Guys. He also. There may be some extra booze because of the whole spurning San Francisco.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, come on.

[Don Hahn]

It's arson, Judge, to you and me.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, that is a thing people do.

[Alan Hahn]

Really booing him, like, oh, people do that.

[Don Hahn]

The Calgary Flames still blew Adam Fox. Yeah. I mean, people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

People.

[Don Hahn]

People do that. No, but I don't. But I've.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Never mind.

[Alan Hahn]

You really think he was leaving. He was never leaving the Yankees, but whatever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They want to.

[Caller - Mike]

Boom, boom.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's great. You know who the opposition. That's what you're supposed to do. But. But having debates on that. He's done.

[Alan Hahn]

I know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ripping him for going 0 for 4 with four straight.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Golden sombrero. You don't want to see it. I get it, but look it up, man. I don't. I don't doubt that those things exist, but please don't allow yourself to be used. It's not logical. People debating on whether he's done is not a logical conversation. I want to breathe life into.

[Don Hahn]

I. We are in lockstep in that regard. That's a crazy. A guy like Aaron Judge the amount of time that you need him to perform badly before you could have reasonable concerns. It's a long time. I'll tell you what. It's not one bad game now. It's always ugly. You know, four strikeouts. It's. It's never what you're looking for for sure, but. But people are nutty.

[Alan Hahn]

Mm.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to our friend Spike and St. Pete. Hey, Spike.

[Caller - Spike]

Hey, boys. Thanks a lot for everything. You keeping me really focused now, Alan, Peter, Don. I've seen some troubling things in the league I love the most, and I want to relate it to the. To the game I watched last night. Oklahoma City did some funky things last night. Alan. I didn't like the way they attempted to win that game. I'm not casting aspersions. I thought Tatum did. Tatum's offense has been fine. His shots a little off. He's a little hesitant on defense to test it and I understand it. And he's crashing into the Brown's team. But this league, as much as I love basketball and very few love it, a lot of people don't like the new game. I can't stand the three point shot, Give me curls, pin downs, ball screens. I like it, but I got what I have. My team looks really good at the center position. Cat's been the best player I've ever seen him play since he's been a Knick in the last six weeks. Brunson look rested. They're beating him up. And I'll tell you two things. Atlanta is on a heater, but watch Charlotte. They have two with Boston and two with the Knicks. And Charles Lee, you know who that is? Peter. He's the Hornets coach. He was the number one guy, right? Right. That's it. And I thought Missoula was this goofy crazy guy. But what Missoula did, it's a short of a miracle. But I only fear the Celtics now because I watch the Pistons. They don't have the secondary scoring Duran boot a game last night and. And I just think I gotta get Shamet back because I noticed this too. Alan, I'm talking sharp here a little bit with you over the top, if he's not squared up, he shouldn't shoot. You know what I mean? And that's been his problem. I know his knee is balking, but bottom line is I can't wait for this. I think the Knicks have as good a chance to come out of the east as anybody. But these teams are going to beat the crap out of Brunson. And give me the 10. If Charlotte plays Boston in the Knicks and they go 3:1 and they're going to get into that top six, they're going to be a bear because they picked up Colby White. What a gift.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Caller - Spike]

Chicago's tanking too. You can't even make a bet. You can't even write 20 to 1 and bet Washington and Indiana. You can't. Bookers won't even take it. It's a joke what they're doing. They've lost a 3 and 40 or something, these teams. It's disgusting.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they're fighting. Fighting over who loses more. Yeah.

[Caller - Spike]

And I think next year Van Gundy is going to wind up coaching Orlando. Not Stan, but Jeff.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow, Nice job there. They just, they just keep getting hurt.

[Caller - Spike]

That's too bad.

[Alan Hahn]

The job. I'm watching, I'm watching Toronto spike. I'm gonna see if they make a change there, because they've got a lot of talent. They don't. They're not organized. They need to get somebody in there, a veteran coach. I wonder who'd take that job.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is it. Is Jeff ever going to coach again?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't. You could see he loves. He's with the Clippers. He's up, he's coaching. He's got a lot of passion on something. He runs their defense, you know, I mean, at this point in his life, does he really want to do it? He's waited so long. I think he might just be happy where he is rather than, you know, all that. I don't know it. I don't know him well enough to know, but he's had opportunities come his way, and he's, he has not really shown a. An interest in doing that as much as what he's doing right now, which I think he, he enjoys it.

[Don Hahn]

I don't see it. I, I. Every time we have the Jeff conversation, I know it always feels like it's

[Alan Hahn]

Tibbs that I'm wondering, like, who, who's gonna bring him in? Because there are some bad teams that need to be fixed. And that's what he does. He does it well. He just seems to be that guy. He just gets you right. So. I wonder where Tibs will end up. I know he's.

[Don Hahn]

Play, Play. Give Me Dirty Work by Steely Dan that's Tibbs, you know what I mean? He's there for you. He's not your forever man, you know what I mean? He's just coming in there to get things right, you know? I'm saying get you feeling. Get you feeling good again. Help you find. He's like Dexter St. Jock walking down the beach. You know what I mean? What you cry in. But that's tips finds you. You're all sad. Waiting. Waiting to exhale.

[Alan Hahn]

Vine. Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Get you in the mood again. And then when you're ready to find real love, guess what? You move on. It's the sad part. And he just goes back down to the beach to look for the next damsel in distress.

[Alan Hahn]

Love the song reference, though.

[Don Hahn]

That's.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a good one.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, thank you very much.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right after the movie that Peter's pretending to like.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, boy.

[Don Hahn]

I can't believe he thinks I'm faking this. I can't you're gonna. You're gonna run into someone else who likes the film. It has to happen. I promise you. Promise you. Did you watch Monica's movie yet, Don? No. When would I have done that? Last night.

[Alan Hahn]

He was out. He was out carousing last night.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah, Nancy, I forgot I had

[Peter Rosenberg]

a game on Netflix to watch.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, to watch the Bert Kreischer show. I mean, the. The game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm gonna. I'm gonna probably. I wish she had told me. Dallas to Nashville. That was a good two hours. I'll try to. I'll try to pop it on tonight after we fly to Raleigh.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a short flight. Pretty sure flight.

[Don Hahn]

So this is your last true, like, road trip, right? Yes, there are a couple of one

[Peter Rosenberg]

road games in Detroit, Boston, but those are like.

[Alan Hahn]

It's there and back. Yeah. You fly home after the game.

[Don Hahn]

So as you wrap up this last true road trip of your debut season as the. As the voice of the team.

[Alan Hahn]

The voice of the devil.

[Don Hahn]

That's right. How. How have you enjoyed the road trips? Have they been fun?

[Alan Hahn]

You like running with the Devils?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah. They're. They're. It's a lot of fun. It's a. The organization and the crew. A lot of fun to hang around with. Great restaurants, great conversation. The great thing about it, it's. It's not all hockey. Like, there's other things to talk about and discuss. And cities have been really. It's great to just be a part even. There's a couple of, you know, games we didn't do because of national television. So I didn't get to go to Chicago this year or Vegas. But still, the trips have been terrific. Even this one, like Dallas, Nashville, Raleigh. Doesn't sound sexy, but it was. It was. It's a good time. Nashville's terrific. It's not that far, man. And good news we've had. I met a bunch of people that did take planes and said they didn't have any issues. So maybe we are getting better on that front. Hopefully.

[Alan Hahn]

Hopefully.

[Don Hahn]

Well, this is. So this is interesting stuff. I just went and checked the scores. We have an hour left in Drop Madness.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, so.

[Don Hahn]

So take it off. Take it all off. You know how Richard gets down is doing what it does. It's. It's dominating in a way that you would expect. Yes, Stephen. And Melville at his poop is in trouble. You suck.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pusick is.

[Don Hahn]

Is. Is rolling right now. Suck. Music over Don. Say his name now. Now. Licking the TV like it's ice cream. It's just getting its ass handed to it. I'll be licking the television screen. Licking it like it's ice cream getting crushed. You got the job.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's the.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, no, yeah. It's what makes that drop its best thing is your ass. Like no one says, just no one like saying calling someone an ass after. Yeah, it just doesn't work. Even like somehow he made something that doesn't work work. But. But again, this is where I think there's going to be some controversy in my opinion. It's very going to be interesting. Marco's Satan Johns. Satan Johns is up 11 on Ben Stiller.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're getting a lot of callers that are very confident. Ben Judicus was on. He's a little nervous.

[Don Hahn]

Jadakiss.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jadakiss, yeah. I'm sorry.

[Don Hahn]

I would be judicious.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm judicious.

[Don Hahn]

An 11 point Allen. Did you expect this sort of domination from the young Marco Lagreca team in this matchup?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, we don't know. Is dad's foot on the scale? No, that's what I want to know.

[Don Hahn]

You never know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I laid out. I laid out.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but you already made it clear the other day that for anyone out there who loves the show, anyone who votes against the children of the show hates children. You've laid down the gauntlet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no. I did not know. Asked the question.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you just asked the question. Do you hate children? Right? Do you hate the children?

[Peter Rosenberg]

We hate children. Including us.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I listen, I didn't. I didn't have anything to do with it.

[Don Hahn]

So that's what's happening right now. The votes are a little low today. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm a little disappointed, borderline disgusted. So if you're listening to the program, you need to get on the Twitter DHR on ESPN. Vote right now before drop madness is up in one hour at the end of enn, which starts of course right here at 6 o'. Clock. All right. Also ESPN New York's teaming up with Calandra's Bakery to give away a pair of tickets to see the Knicks take on the Charlotte hornies on Sunday, April 12th. You already said earlier that is the nickname for the team and you're proud of it. It's easy to enter. That's what she said. Just stop by Calendra's Bakery.

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Oh, wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Quite that. This is quite the promo we've got going.

[Alan Hahn]

This is feels like a Friday on a Thursday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'd like to beat this one, you know.

[Alan Hahn]

I bet you would.

[Don Hahn]

You know how I feel about Calandras. It gets me going. We got the beautiful Mets and Yankee cookies out there, by the way.

[Alan Hahn]

Put them in the fridge.

[Don Hahn]

The cookies. They're not away from the cake. Here's somebody get them away from the cake. The problem is they're not. They're not really fridge cookies. They're those cakey cookies with icing. They're black and white cookies, but the colors are mixed.

[Caller - Richard]

And Yankees.

[Alan Hahn]

You can put those in the fridge, though. They'll keep till Monday.

[Don Hahn]

Till Monday? You think so?

[Alan Hahn]

I think so. Alan's hoping that they last till Monday, I think. Monday we have ourselves some Mets cookies.

[Don Hahn]

And here's the beautiful part. If you're not a Mets man like Allen, guess what?

[Alan Hahn]

It's a Nick's cookie. Come on. All you gotta do is scrape off the name.

[Don Hahn]

No, you don't. Because they're just colors.

[Alan Hahn]

That's it.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Then to me, those are Knicks cookies. Those are Islander cookies.

[Don Hahn]

Those are Islander cookies, if you want. That's right. Just make sure you head over to Calandra's 234 Bloomfield Ave. In Caldwell before April 7 to enter in person. I always prefer entering in person. Brought to you by Calandra's Bakery in Caldwell, home of fresh bread, classic Italian pastries and traditions baked daily.

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[Don Hahn]

listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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for free. Oh, man, this tells a story, doesn't it? Oh, it really does.

[Alan Hahn]

He's like, yeah, I know what I

[Don Hahn]

am and it's funny, right?

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not Mr. Right. I'm Mr. Right Now.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, running. Oh, I'll be around.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on now.

[Don Hahn]

I'm a fool to do your dirty work. The thing is, it's one of those songs when you listen to the lyrics, you. It really makes you like a little bit sad. But most of the time when I listen to it, I don't think about the lyrics. You just think about the, like the, the sweet sounds of the song.

[Caller - Mike]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

But when you listen to it, you

[Alan Hahn]

go, man, who hasn't been not great Bob, who hasn't been that guy at least one time you knew you were that guy.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, it's, it's. In some ways it's great.

[Caller - Mike]

You were.

[Alan Hahn]

And you're like, hey, whatever.

[Don Hahn]

Sometimes it's great to be that guy. Sometimes not so. But then eventually, guess what? Not so great.

[Alan Hahn]

Not so great.

[Don Hahn]

Usually that's how it goes.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it's sad it. Because you, you know, it's all sad.

[Don Hahn]

You are.

[Alan Hahn]

But, but you. But you're still like, Peter and I were just that guy. What? Those guys?

[Don Hahn]

I'm sorry, we were just, we were just, you know, picking at, oh, doing that dirty work.

[Caller - Richard]

Picking at the Yankees.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, we were, we were just, we were just in what's supposed to be my gearing up for WrestleMania diet period. There's just scraps of sweets sitting on the counter. And I ended up just tasting the. I hadn't. I had yet to taste the Yankee cake. Oh, wait, which cake did I just taste? No, you like the Met cake. I tasted the Met cake and the Met cakes better. By the way, bad news on your cake cookies. They're not. They're not last until tomorrow.

[Caller - Quick Time Out]

Come on.

[Alan Hahn]

If we put them in the fridge, I always.

[Don Hahn]

No, I'm telling you, anything in the

[Alan Hahn]

fridge can't be touched. That's what I was told.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's not that. It's just that the style of cookie, they're just already turning from sitting out too long like they're just getting a little hard. It's not right, you know, But I really do think, you know, like one of the. I don't know how much you guys paid attention to the big deadline announcement a couple of weeks ago about the TV show that I've created that's in development at Hulu. But we.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I have a know the best picture I've ever seen of you.

[Don Hahn]

Really?

[Carlos Mendoza]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

That must have been taken here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No,

[Don Hahn]

it was not. I don't like what you've done. It was taken by the good still photo department at wwe, but thank you very much. But, you know, the show that I'm working on is about a sort of miserable former yacht rocker who's.

[Howie Rose]

Who's.

[Don Hahn]

Who's disgusted. He will. The lead character of this show would try to fist fight you for calling it yacht rock. He's disgusted by the. By the terminology. And, and the reason I find the word the term to be like, kind of gross is because it really implies it's a genre that's like silly. And it's not. It's not like Dirty Work is not a silly song. That's a great.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, it's. It's almost like bubblegum pop. Right?

[Don Hahn]

It's worse. It's like. It's like it's a goof. It's like the whole thing's a goofy.

[Caller - Mike]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

But. But that's like when you call something bubblegum pop, you know, it's. It's unserious music that is nice. Really meant. Has no depth. So when you call it yacht rock, it almost sounds like it's a. It's like on the background. We really don't listen to it.

[Don Hahn]

No, we're being silly. And when we're drunk, we play it silly, goofy stuff. And it's like you realize that it's. Sarah Smile by Hall and Oates is not that.

[Alan Hahn]

No, but But a lot of the music, though, is. Is brilliantly written and composed. Like, a lot of it is. That's why it holds up and why it's sampled as much as it's done.

[Don Hahn]

I'm trying to think of what's the. Like, what, what, what. What do you guys think is like the cheesiest. Like, where you think the term yacht rock is actually apropos because it's like, goofy.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, man eater. Man is man.

[Don Hahn]

Whoa, whoa. Here she go.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but that's. But.

[Don Hahn]

But that's.

[Alan Hahn]

That. That's a pop song. That's not a. I wouldn't call that.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but it's.

[Alan Hahn]

Even though it's hall and Odes. Yeah, but everything they made was.

[Don Hahn]

I know, but I feel like it's still get. Still getting played in the mix. I think that's still getting in the. Yeah. Rock.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I got to think about it, because it is a great question because the

[Don Hahn]

name of the genre is such a goof. But it's hard for me to think of the songs that I. I think of being super goofy. I mean, heart to Heart by Kenny Loggins, that's not Cheeseball. It's soul record.

[Alan Hahn]

But.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I can't go for that. By hall of Notes. That's definitely in there. And that's a great record.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, no, the big.

[Alan Hahn]

Looking right now at the. At the playlist. My playlist. I'm finding the one that I know is like the one that if it's playing and people are around, I might skip.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. What's. What. Well, yeah. Do you see one?

[Alan Hahn]

Haven't yet.

[Don Hahn]

Like, what? A full Believes is an amazing song. I mean, it's not silly.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean. How about the Moonlight Feels Right by Starbuck? That's kind of.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know. I don't remember. I don't remember.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because it's got the xylophone. Yeah, you read about.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Like, it's one. No, seriously. I always. When I heard that song, I'm like, how many rock songs have a xylophone? Like a riff. It's no shredding on a xylophone.

[Don Hahn]

Jacob.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Xylophone solo. I think we can play it. It's not long.

[Howie Rose]

I want.

[Alan Hahn]

I wish I could.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's fantastic.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, it's. It really is. When. When. When Will did the. The triangle cowbell. I mean. Yeah, like, it's.

[Don Hahn]

It's.

[Alan Hahn]

That's. It's akin to the cowbell.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was a risk, you know, I

[Alan Hahn]

think we need a xylophone solo in this right here. Right here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's Fine. Peter has never heard of before. I'm sure he has.

[Don Hahn]

Maybe I have. I don't know. Starbuck.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Moonlight Feels Right.

[Alan Hahn]

It's got a lot of crazy references in it, too. Like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the xylophone is. There we go. We gotta. You gotta get to this.

[Alan Hahn]

You gotta get to this. You gotta get to the xylophone solo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's late in the song, so put it in queue.

[Alan Hahn]

Like the first line of. He's too late. He's too late.

[Don Hahn]

You gotta go back. Come on. I. I gotta tell you.

[Alan Hahn]

But this, now, it's important, because the audience is like, I gotta hear this.

[Don Hahn]

This is. It's falling apart. It's all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not falling apart. Because you know what? If it does fall apart, the xylophone will build it back up.

[Don Hahn]

Well, this.

[Alan Hahn]

There it is.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Listen to this. This guy's rocking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's not even all of it.

[Don Hahn]

No. And by the way, that literally sounds like. Okay, enough. That.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no. Play it. Prove it.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on. Come on. You gotta feel this.

[Don Hahn]

That's Anthony. No, that's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm the best thing you're gonna hear today. That's the best thing you're gonna hear today. No.

[Alan Hahn]

So good.

[Don Hahn]

Lucky.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can get lucky tonight and say it's the second best thing that happened to you today. It doesn't beat the xylophone.

[Don Hahn]

I see the child.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it won't be as big as the xylophone.

[Alan Hahn]

Don is preaching. He is preaching right now.

[Don Hahn]

I gotta tell you. And Alan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Alan feels it. He's caught the fever.

[Alan Hahn]

You kidding me?

[Don Hahn]

That song. That song, didn't I is not familiar to me at all.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, you had to make it familiar.

[Don Hahn]

The Starbucks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that's.

[Don Hahn]

That xylophone literally sounds like a scene in an Anchorman in which, like, Ron Burgundy would start playing the xylophone.

[Alan Hahn]

So when you asked. This is the song. This is the yacht rock song. That is cheesy.

[Caller - Mike]

Yeah, that.

[Don Hahn]

No, you nailed it. That is it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, there's so many reasons why the xylophone is huge.

[Don Hahn]

Here we go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

See what he did?

[Alan Hahn]

No, you see what he did, Don. You. You. You have a gift. You. Yes, you do. Yes, you do.

[Don Hahn]

God bless you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm listening to it during a break because I gotta. I gotta.

[Don Hahn]

You gotta hankering now, Peter, Give.

[Alan Hahn]

I. I. Do us one favor after the show. You drove today, or would you.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I drove, all right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, put it on.

[Alan Hahn]

Just cruise. It's a beautiful night. Window down. Just let it. Let it go and lean into it. I promise you it'll be stuck in your head. And you'll say, I got to put this on a playlist. I need this song.

[Don Hahn]

I got a hankering and the only cure is More xylophone.

[Alan Hahn]

That's right.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I got a hankering and the only cure is Richard Manhattan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's just lay back and luxuriate.

[Howie Rose]

Richard.

[Caller - Richard]

Is that his name?

[Don Hahn]

You tooko Richard?

[Caller - Richard]

Take it off, Peter.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, there you go.

[Caller - Richard]

Peter Allen. I'm sorry, fellas. Allen, three weeks ago I called you and said, what changed? Northeast basketball and St. John's was that game against Duke in March 1979. At that time, there was no Big East. It was called the ECAC. St. John's made the tournament by chance. Louis, we didn't think. Well, I found all this out today because Mike Vacaro wrote a whole article in the Post. Exactly what I told you two weeks ago. That was the data. And he did all his research. Reggie Carter, Wayne McCoy. But the big thing, we beat it. Duke, Spinaco and Jaminsky. I hated those guys. I hated all Duke guys. I hated North Carolina, Indiana, ucla, Kentucky. The first college team I ever liked was Al McGuire's. The Marquette team in 70. And then I love Mark Aguirre a year later. Those were like teams that were just made. I hated all those blue blood teams. Anyway, you know, there's such a big fuss about you guys. Not you, but all the announcers saying, the game's not on tv. You got to pay for it. I listened to the games today. I heard Howie Rose say the greatest thing. I knew this, but I didn't know it. He said, the Mets win another opening day. I think they're like 45 and 12 in their last 57. Anyway, he says they won his World Series before they won an opening day. That's true. The year they won the World Series, they lost to Montreal Expos with Rusty staub and Coco LeBoy. So I'll never forget that. And he was right. That was a great stat. I listened to Susan and Dave Sims yesterday on Fan. All the stations I can listen to. I don't know. Tomorrow I may listen to the St. John's game because I like John McGowan and Brandon Tierney. Now, another thing, let me ask you guys this question. You got four teams that are the favorites. Arizona, Duke, Michigan and Houston. If I had to. If you had to make a pick, those four or the field, the other 12, which would you take? Knowing the field has UConn, Purdue, all those other good schools, Illinois, Saint John's.

[Alan Hahn]

I said, did you give me Duke, Arizona, Michigan and Houston? And Houston, I'm going to take.

[Caller - Richard]

Or the other 12?

[Alan Hahn]

I'm taking that group.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, me too.

[Caller - Richard]

You're taking the fourth?

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

You got to look at recent history in the tournaments. Yeah. It's going to be somebody out of that group for sure.

[Caller - Richard]

Okay. And Alan, let me ask you. Alan, let me give you an NBA question. Who's the first player to bring the high dribble into the NBA? In other words, the 60s and 70s ball handlers always dribbled below the race, never went above the race. Who was the first ball player with a high dribble?

[Alan Hahn]

Magic Johnson.

[Caller - Richard]

I knew you were going to say that. He was one year before Magic, and he probably would have been just as good if he didn't do the illegal stuff. Michael Ray Richardson.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, okay.

[Caller - Richard]

If you remember, Magic is correct.

[Alan Hahn]

He was number two. Yeah, yeah. He was six. Six. So he tall, tall guard.

[Caller - Richard]

And he had a crossover, a high crossover, if you remember. And when I saw him out of Montana, I said, this guy, that dribble will not make it in the NBA. But the NBA was just about changing at that time. But you're right. Magic was the. Was the other one. But the NBA was changing at that time. That's why that was that. Okay, fellows, always a pleasure. Thank you, guys.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you, Richard. I don't know if even, all things considered, he would have been just as good as Magic.

[Alan Hahn]

I think that's tough, you know, but I agree. But I will say that those players from that era did look at him as a guy who was going to be the guy way better. Like he could have been a bigger star, too. Like they were a lot that. That era does talk about him in a reverence for his talent.

[Don Hahn]

I know, but like, there's. There was a period. There was a period that people can't remember anymore because Michael Jordan came along where it looked like Magic Johnson would be the greatest player who ever lived. I mean, that was, that was like a conversation that existed for a moment.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Don Hahn]

Michael Ray Richardson I've heard great stuff about, but man, Magic was a special guy.

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[Alan Hahn]

you heard the Simply Red song that uses this as a sample?

[Don Hahn]

No, I didn't know Simply Red and Believe it or not borrowed from hall of Notes.

[Alan Hahn]

Believe it or Not. It's actually a great song.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I mean, listen, you're off to a good start.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did.

[Don Hahn]

Did I ever heard it?

[Alan Hahn]

Don, you never.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I have not.

[Alan Hahn]

You need to hear it. It's really like. Just look at it. Trust me, it's really good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know if I ever asked you this before, Peter.

[Don Hahn]

No, I'm going to listen deeply and I'm going to think about it wholeheartedly

[Peter Rosenberg]

in the whole and Oats song, She's Gone.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. One of my all time favorite songs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Am I mishearing? Excuse me? Am I mishearing it or do they actually say carbon and monoxide?

[Don Hahn]

They do let the carbon and monoxide. Yeah, well, they want you to feel both.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

It's not carbon monoxide. It's carbon.

[Alan Hahn]

It's gotta both come together.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, to kill me. That's how you get there for carbon and monoxide. Carbon monoxide.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love the song, but that always bothered me.

[Alan Hahn]

So just. Just so you both know, it's called Sunrise. I first heard it in Vegas, believe it or not. And walking through off to a risky start.

[Don Hahn]

I just want to say, I know

[Alan Hahn]

it's risky, but that's why I'm boldly telling you this, because I know. I believe in it. I believe when you hear it, you'll be like, I actually like this because it. It like I just heard it walking through a casino. I'm like, what is that? Oh, that's hall of Notes. No, it's not. Who is that? And then I did Shazam. And I'm like, oh. And then I. I loved it. So.

[Don Hahn]

All right, well, we're gonna hear it. We're gonna get a little listen coming. Oh, maybe in ENN we can hear that. I have a call here from Mike in the car on Yacht Rock. What's up, Mike?

[Caller - Mike]

Hey, guys. First time calling ever.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Welcome.

[Caller - Mike]

Ever. I think you're misconstruing the term yacht rock.

[Don Hahn]

Go ahead.

[Caller - Mike]

Yeah, in as much as it's more of the listening group that comprises yacht rock rather than a label of cheese.

[Caller - Richard]

It's.

[Caller - Mike]

You're talking about like the older crowd who doesn't really listen to the heavy stuff, but enjoys a good boat, is out there and likes to listen to

[Alan Hahn]

the smooth jazz like we do.

[Caller - Mike]

Well, no, it's not a cheese thing.

[Don Hahn]

It's more of a.

[Caller - Mike]

An age group.

[Don Hahn]

Well, wait, here's the thing. Mike. So Ballard reached out.

[Alan Hahn]

Mike, are you new to us? Because you know how much we love yacht rock first and foremost.

[Don Hahn]

And Mike, just so you know, listen. So Ballard Reached out to me. Ballard reached out to me too, also saying he thinks I'm misunderstanding it because yacht rock is about rich and sort of the vibe that it connotes where you'd listen to it all that. I'm not. I'm not disagreeing. I'm not disagreeing to the origins of why the terminology is what it is.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

What I'm saying is it as a term has evolved and it's become a labeling of an entire genre. And regardless of what the intention was or what the imagery was behind it, to me, the connotation has become silly.

[Caller - Mike]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

It does it. It makes it feel like a. Less like, you have to remember these guys, these were artists who considered themselves either people who did rock or made soul or made R and B. Like, these are guys who the term didn't exist. So to have the term then made, and it encapsulates all of this music when that genre didn't exist at the time. To me, it sort of makes a really good genre of music feel a little silly. You know what I'm saying, Don?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, I think what they're. What they're saying, we're both right, Mike, in the sense that the upper class, hoity toity yacht people listening to the music aren't listening to it for the heart of it or the meaning of it. It's just good background vibes.

[Don Hahn]

If you're on a boat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Right. So if you went out there and you wrote a song that's supposed to mean something.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's lost on these people.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

That.

[Caller - Spike]

That's.

[Don Hahn]

That's it. So it's not really. It's just my belief was the character who I made up despises the term. And I could. I could easily see. And I know, Right. By the way, that's not. That's not a fully made up thing. There are. There are artists who are a part of.

[Alan Hahn]

Who was it on the documentary that. That cursed out Steely Dan? Yeah, I hung up on him. Didn't want to talk to him because he.

[Don Hahn]

Donald Fagan will literally not talk about.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's who it was. It was Fagan. Right.

[Don Hahn]

Donald Fagan will not talk about Yara. He's disgusted by it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, you know. You know what?

[Alan Hahn]

It's offended.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like the. The people in the Brat Pack taking offense to that because it's almost like, well, you made goofy kid movies. You're not really an actor that should be taken seriously. Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Don Hahn]

Like, even though the fans, like, no we love the Brat Pack. It's like, yeah, but I don't want to be called the Brat Pack. You know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah. All right. I know we have to break in a second, but I'm sorry, there's so many people. Steven in Houston. What did you want to say, Steven?

[Caller - Mike]

What's up, Peter? Hope you're doing well, man.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks, buddy.

[Caller - Mike]

Hey, first thing I want to say is I have a humble place for our guy Richard.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Caller - Mike]

I just need him to just slow down. Richard has a lot of great things to tell us, but I feel like if someone chasing him, I don't know, like, I'm just begging him to just slow down.

[Caller - Richard]

For me, that.

[Caller - Mike]

That's my first thing. And my, my, my second question is. So I found out yesterday, Tony Vitalo. Hopefully I'm saying his name right, the new manager for the San Francisco Giants. Yep. Right. Never played in major league, minor leagues, all of that. So they hired him from Tennessee. And, and I randomly just put a tick tock post about, you know, they hired some guy with inexperience and people are attacking this guy after losing one game. And so my question to you guys, I have a different opinion, but I'm gonna leave it to you guys. Do you guys think that in high stakes, big time sports, should guys who don't have the technical quote unquote experience in that sports be given such types of opportunity? And I'll leave it with this. Think about Steve Kerr, think about Mike McDonald. A lot of these coaches never had official experience in the job, but they've done just fine. I'll leave it at that. Thank you guys. Have a good day.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks, David.

[Alan Hahn]

It's interesting.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, well, it's particularly funny. People would get bent out of shape after one game. But like, the fact of the matter is these things always have critics at first, but the proof is only in the pudding. And we have seen guys who don't have the experience as players have it work out in many sports. Less common in baseball.

[Alan Hahn]

That's an out of the box hire, obviously. Right. But we have seen out of the box of Tennessee. Yeah, like, he was strictly a college manager, college coach, but we have seen this done before. It's. It's not, I don't know, like, it's

[Peter Rosenberg]

too deep to get into.

[Alan Hahn]

It really is. Because what happens though, is you. What I think the dangerous part is is when one hits like, like the, the Sean McVay thing hits, it's like, then you get the copycat stuff and you know now everybody wants to hire a young coach or everybody wants to hire that. Like, you can't always do that. Some things are just special and that proves itself over time. I think one game out of 162 is probably not going to determine whether or not this guy can coach or manage at this level.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

I don't want to know how the

[Alan Hahn]

sauce is messages made, man. I just want to know it's good.

[Don Hahn]

Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

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