Hour 3: Mike Greenberg & Super Bowl

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: Mike Greenberg & Super Bowl

Release Date: February 4, 2025

Hosts:

• Don La Greca – ESPN New York and New Jersey legendary voice
• Alan Hahn – Sportswriter and New York Knicks broadcaster
• Peter Rosenberg – Highly opinionated Hip Hop vet and WWE personality

Guest:

• Mike Greenberg – ESPN personality

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1. Welcome and Introduction of Mike Greenberg

The episode kicks off with Alan Hahn warmly welcoming Mike Greenberg back to the show, congratulating him on his new endeavors.

Alan Hahn [01:07]:
"Congratulations on the new show, fellas. Don, Peter, great to talk to you guys again."

Greenberg expresses his excitement about the hosts’ new chapter, hinting at future collaborations.

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2. Luka Doncic Trade Analysis

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the unexpected and massive trade of Dallas Mavericks' star player, Luka Doncic. The hosts dissect the reasons behind the Mavericks' decision, the lack of prior speculation, and the implications for both the team and the player.

Alan Hahn [02:52]:
"It's not a trade, it's a divorce. It just felt a little more personal than just simply a trade."

Greenberg questions the Mavericks' motives, suggesting possible organizational misconduct and a breach of fiduciary responsibility.

Mike Greenberg [05:03]:
"It's a terrible deal by the Maverick."

The conversation delves into whether the Mavericks undervalued Doncic due to personal biases or strategic missteps, considering his impressive record and potential longevity.

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3. Patrick Mahomes: The Modern Great

Transitioning to football, the hosts engage in a heated debate about Kansas City Chiefs' quarterback, Patrick Mahomes. Greenberg positions Mahomes among the all-time greats, comparing him to legends like Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky.

Mike Greenberg [20:03]:
"Patrick Mahomes, if he wins this game, he will have won his fourth Super Bowl before turning 30. This does not put him in the conversation with the greatest of all time."

Peter Rosenberg challenges this notion, arguing that championships alone don't cement a player's legacy, citing John Elway and others who fell short despite their talents.

Peter Rosenberg [39:05]:
"But, the guys you just mentioned… Mahomes is not even in the MVP conversation this year."

The debate emphasizes the importance of team dynamics, coaching, and the role of supporting players in evaluating a quarterback’s greatness.

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4. Super Bowl Fatigue and Team Performance

The hosts express varying levels of enthusiasm for the upcoming Super Bowl, particularly fatigue with the Chiefs' repeated appearances.

Peter Rosenberg [14:27]:
"I'm done with them. Enough already."

Alan Hahn counters by highlighting Mahomes' exceptional skills and leadership under pressure, suggesting that his ability to stay calm amidst chaos is a rare and valuable trait.

Alan Hahn [23:12]:
"The ability to just process and execute in those riotous moments, you got."

This segment underscores the emotional toll and high expectations placed on perennial Super Bowl contenders.

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5. Caller Interactions: Patriots and Draft Insights

Listeners call in to share their perspectives, leading to discussions about the New England Patriots' consistent performance and draft strategies.

Caller Henry [30:53]:
"I think it's really cool… Patriots won three out of five Super Bowls."

The hosts provide insights into the Patriots' draft picks, particularly their focus on defensive tackles, and speculate on future draft moves based on insider information from events like the Senior Bowl.

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6. Comparing Jalen Brunson and Jason Kidd Eras

The conversation shifts to basketball, where the hosts compare Jalen Brunson’s impact on the New York Knicks to Jason Kidd's revitalization of the New Jersey Nets in the past.

Mike Greenberg [32:06]:
"I feel like they obviously are not, but they definitely make their teammates better."

Alan Hahn acknowledges the similarities in cultural and franchise impact, while Peter Rosenberg admits to renewed interest in the Knicks due to Brunson’s influence.

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7. Sports Team Updates: Knicks, Islanders, and Golden Knights

The hosts briefly discuss recent performances and upcoming games for various New York sports teams, including the Knicks, New York Islanders, and the Vegas Golden Knights.

Alan Hahn [43:23]:
"Devils and Penguins at seven."

This section provides listeners with timely updates and hosts’ personal biases towards certain teams.

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8. NFL Officiating and Conspiracy Theories

Towards the end of the episode, the topic of NFL officiating comes under scrutiny as Peter Rosenberg addresses conspiracy theories claiming favoritism towards the Chiefs.

Peter Rosenberg [45:52]:
"But that last sentence kind of lost me. Then you got a little too overly aggressive, a little too sensitive."

The hosts emphasize the integrity of NFL officials while acknowledging that high-profile players like Mahomes naturally attract more scrutiny and calls.

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9. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

The episode wraps up with light-hearted banter, promotional segments, and final takes on ongoing sports narratives. The hosts reinforce their commitment to delivering engaging and nuanced sports discussions.

Alan Hahn [48:07]:
"Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts."

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Notable Quotes:

• Alan Hahn [02:52]:
  "It's not a trade, it's a divorce. It just felt a little more personal than just simply a trade."

• Mike Greenberg [20:03]:
  "Patrick Mahomes, if he wins this game, he will have won his fourth Super Bowl before turning 30. This does not put him in the conversation with the greatest of all time."

• Peter Rosenberg [39:05]:
  "But, the guys you just mentioned… Mahomes is not even in the MVP conversation this year."

• Mike Greenberg [24:12]:
  "Patrick Mahomes is playing with well below average offensive teammates... he is not half."

• Alan Hahn [23:12]:
  "The ability to just process and execute in those riotous moments, you got."

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Conclusion

In this episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg, the trio along with Mike Greenberg delve deep into high-stakes sports topics, offering diverse perspectives on NBA trades, NFL quarterback legacies, Super Bowl sentiments, and more. With a blend of analytical discussion and passionate debate, the hosts provide listeners with a comprehensive overview of the current sports landscape, enriched by personal anecdotes and expert insights.

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Note: Advertisements, promotional segments, and non-content sections from the transcript have been excluded to focus on the substantive discussions and key takeaways of the episode.

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

On 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers. All right, we bring you into the big five o'clock hour with Don Leggraeck and Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Hahn. 800-919-3776 of course, is the number. We'll get back to your calls momentarily. But we love having special guests on the show, people special to us, and no one more special than Mike Greenberg, who joins us right now on on behalf of espn Bet Graney. How are you? It's been a while.

[Mike Greenberg]

Han. Congratulations on the new show, fellas. Don, Peter, great to talk to you guys again. And I will not be a stranger, I think. Alan, I think I'm gonna see you tomorrow morning about 6:00. So you're gonna there's gonna be a lot more of this. But all kidding aside, congratulations. I'm excited for you. I'm excited for all of you guys with the beginning of this new chapter. And I have no doubt you're gonna do great.

[Alan Hahn]

Greeny, by the way, guys, is one I reached out to a lot, you know, giants in the business to get some advice on what to do. I mean, this is a big step for me personally, but also in just the ability to not just do a show, but also to do it with other people. Right? And no one did it better than Greeny all those years.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The man's a great point guard.

[Alan Hahn]

And so and then obviously turning it into great success on Get Up. But so and he got back like, I don't know, green. I think it was like within 10, 20 minutes, like just got back, bam. Like a three or four paragraph email. And I was like, here we go. This is what I'm talking about. So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, wait, you know what?

[Alan Hahn]

I'll greatly appreciate name dropping a guest. He's on our show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but now you're telling email stories. You're getting. That's the Greeny I'VE been learning that Alan's a bit of a casual name dropper.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, it's sweet. It's the credibility, you know, that's what it's sweet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It'll be random things like, you know, last night I'm watching the. I bumped into Greg Anthony drop. Happens all the time.

[Alan Hahn]

I love Greg Anthony. Is Greg Anthony drop worthy?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. No. A lot of yours aren't drop worthy, but they happen anyway. How dare Greeny is drop worthy?

[Alan Hahn]

Absolutely. Anyways, what else is.

[Mike Greenberg]

I hate that, too. I know. You know, Peter, I'm with you. I. I hate it when people do that. I was just talking to Charles Barkley about that.

[Alan Hahn]

Anyways, speaking of name dropping, the Dallas Mavericks decided to just drop Luka Doncic. You guys have been talking about for the last couple of days here. But just again, Granny, all the years you've been in the business, especially in the world of social media, I don't think we've ever seen a trade happen that no one. There was a whisper, nothing at this magnitude. To me, the most compelling thing is not just why they traded him and who they traded him for and the teams that got him and the fact that he's in la. It still blows my mind. Like, you know, where have you gone, Adrian Wojnowski? Because how could this have possibly been something that no one saw coming?

[Mike Greenberg]

I agree with you. The breaking the Internet spontaneous nature of this is definitely a part of the story in the modern era. I suppose that is part of the narrative of something like this. So, yes, that was quite stunning. And very quickly, the way I found out about it, this is the opposite of name dropping. Sunday was the first Sunday that I didn't have to work in six months. So on days that I don't wake up and work, I try not to look at my phone when I first get up in the morning. So I got up, I walked downstairs. There's a Starbucks across the street. I get myself a coffee. I walk back in the building and my doorman says, how about that trade yesterday? And I said, what trade? And he says to me, luka Doncic got traded. And this is what a jerk I am. I was like, yeah, sure. Like, obviously my doorman doesn't know anything about. Obviously he doesn't know anything about it. Luca Garza got traded. There's no way Luca Doncic got paid.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Stick to opening doors, buddy.

[Mike Greenberg]

I was silently dismissive of him. And in reality, he broke the news to me. Here's the part of it that is the most stunning to me. And I'll put this in the form of a question for you guys. If you were starting an NBA team today and you could choose from every human being currently walking the face of planet Earth as your first pick, would he get out of the top five? Would he be. Would you go five deep?

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Mike Greenberg]

Before you got him?

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Mike Greenberg]

Right. It would be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I might not go three.

[Mike Greenberg]

Yeah, which is. Which is what? Wembanyama? Jokic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Giannis.

[Alan Hahn]

Not Giannis. No, no. You just gave me. See, that's the thing. You just gave me two bigs. Now I need a guard.

[Mike Greenberg]

Luca, that's what I'm saying is you're picking one person. You're picking one person. You're not putting together a team. You're picking one person. How many one people are you taking before you take him? Are you taking. Are you taking at his age? Nikola Jokic. Are you taking at his age? Giannis? Certainly, I think. Wendyama. Yeah. Monica McNutt. Your friend McNutt, this morning, Alan said Sean Gildas, Alexander. I guess what I'm saying is he's in this conversation. He's 25. Not yet. He'll be 26 at the end of this month. And if. If the knock on him is that he is not in prime physical condition all the time, then in less than peak physical condition, he has been first team all NBA five consecutive years and taken his team to the Finals last season. That's one of the five players that you would start an NBA franchise with right now. The fact that you traded him for a player who, while excellent, is limited, older and injury prone, and did so without shopping him at all, without seeing what else you might get for him, candidly, I think is organizational misconduct. It's a breach of fiduciary responsibility on the part of Nico Harrison. And so what Wendy said on the show the other day, which I agree with, or that he said someone texted him, is imagine how much the Mavericks have to have disliked Luca, how much you would have to have disliked him, his act, his leadership, his aura, sort of what. What he was as the face of your franchise rejecting out for the next five years that you would be willing to make this deal. There are obviously things in it we don't know, and maybe those will come to light on its face. I think it is a terrible deal by the Maverick.

[Alan Hahn]

That's why I said it's not a trade, it's a divorce. It just felt a little more personal than just simply a trade.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Such a great point by you.

[Mike Greenberg]

We just have decided that, to use your analogy, we're Going to marry him for $345 million over the next five years. The Supermax, and that's it. We're going to be the Dallas Lucas for the next five years. And they decided that's not what we want. We want something else. What that is, we'll figure out, but we don't want that now. Once you make that decision, why in the world do you not, I mean, why in the world you would not then open it up to your point, because you were afraid the word would get out and then that would happen. You don't open it up to the possibility of other. Other deals. There had to have been something better out there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's the part that miffed me too. I mean, because Alan, you've been saying it all week. They wanted to keep it on the low, but I'm like, but why? Who knows what you could have got? Now, Greeny, do you believe that with Anthony Davis, who has been over the last season and a half shockingly healthy, is there a chance that the fit with him and Kyrie could mean at least immediate success for the Mavericks?

[Mike Greenberg]

Sure. So this actually I saw, I don't know who tweeted this. I would like to give credit words to, but I can't remember where I saw it. But someone posed the question on Twitter. How many championships would Davis and the Mavericks have to win for this to have been worth it? If Luca winds up being as good as we think he's going to be for a decade, like if they win this year's championship and Luca is the face of the Lakers for the next decade, was it a good deal? I think it's an interesting question because in the very, very short term, do I think there's a possibility it works? Yeah. Do I think it will know? Do I think the Mavericks are going to win the championship this year? No. I think they would have had a better chance with Luca than they would have than they will with Davis. But let's say they win the title this year and Luca winds up being first team all NBA, you know, eight of the next 10 seasons. Who won that trade? Was it. Was it worth the trade? I think it's an interesting question to kick around.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's definitely interesting, but I keep circling back to, is this just what Kyrie wanted? Wanted AD and that was it. Now, if you shop him around other places and still make the deal with Los Angeles for AD you're going to look a lot worse because now you'll know what the other packages were and still chose to go with Anthony Davis. So is this just caving to Kyrie's wishes of wanting to have ad, but.

[Mike Greenberg]

Part and parcel, if I'm understanding your question. Part and parcel of that as you've decided you are going to become the Dallas Kyrie's instead of the Dallas Lucas. And Kyrie is a terrific player, obviously. And when he's all committed and focused and into it, he's one of the better players in the league and one of the more uniquely skilled players that we've ever seen. He's not Luka at his best. He's never.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But if you've already decided, I just can't deal with him anymore. I don't want. I don't want to be in the business with him forever and I'm going to trade him. So it's not a question of do I make the deal or not make the deal. If I'm committed to making the deal and my star player wants to play with Davis, then why open it up with everybody else if I'm still going to make the deal with la?

[Mike Greenberg]

I guess so. I hear what you're saying. The only thing that jumps to my mind when you say that is I'm old enough to remember when Kyrie wanted to play with KD and then he wanted to play with.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not saying it's the right thing. I'm just trying to make it make sense. Because if I've got this player, I am going to shop him around and I'm going to give him up for the best possible deal. And when I asked Allen earlier this week, when it happened yesterday, you know, what would the Knicks give up? Basically anybody but Brunson. And I'm sure most the NBA would say, all right, there's one or two players I won't have your pick. Of the rest of the roster, they would have had to come up with something better if they opened it up. So I have to wonder, what was the motivation not to open up? Why? Because they wanted to keep it a secret. How would that change anything?

[Alan Hahn]

This is the book we all need to read. Whatever it's going to be 10, 15 years from now when it's written and then we'll know what really went on. But they're going to keep that stuff in Dallas. They'll keep that private.

[Mike Greenberg]

There's one other factor. Can I mention one of them quickly, Don? Because as I was thinking this through, you reminded me of something else that Wendy has pointed out repeatedly on get up the last two days. The Mavericks would have had no trouble resigning Luca at the end of his contract, which I believe has one more year left on it because they could offer him $100 million more than anyone else could. That's gone now.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Mike Greenberg]

So wherever he goes, it's starting now with the Lakers. They're not assured of having him forever, so they still have to make him sign there. They can't offer him more money than all the other teams in the NBA can. So this opens the door to all these other teams coming in. So maybe the answer, at least part of the answer to why he wasn't as valuable in a trade as we would all assume he is is because he is has the option of becoming a free agent. And for all we know, I have no reason to think this, but maybe he wants to be in New York. Maybe, you know, he's an international player. Maybe he's always liked the idea of playing in New York. Maybe he likes the idea of playing in a really small market. Maybe he really likes the idea of going someplace that he's in less limelight. I'm just making these things up. I guess what I'm saying is he is not guaranteed to be a Laker beyond Alan. Maybe, you know, it's next year, right. I think it's one more year left on his contract. So that's a factor in this. Also, as far as why you don't get it, you made me think of it when you said the Knicks. So the Knicks were the next going to trade everybody on their team besides Brunson. The issue with that is you run the risk of losing him in a year and now you've got nothing. Maybe that was a factor in his having less trade value than we all expected.

[Alan Hahn]

The Kawhi Leonard to the Raptors situation, that's is very similar like that. And Greeny, you just took away everything I was going to talk about tomorrow. So that's, that's literally what I was going to bring up is the fact you're on. He had the leverage and they took it away from him. Anyways, it is Mike Greenberg joining us right now on behalf of ESPN BET. ESPN BET's doing a million dollar big game giveaway where betters who opt in and place a $25 or more wager on the big game have a chance to win a share of $250,000 cash or a share of 750,000 in bonus bets. Speaking of the big game, Greeny, I'm, I'm flanked by two men who tell me they're not interested this year. Nope. They have Chiefs fatigue And they hate the Eagles. There's no really interest in this game for them at all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Proud of it.

[Alan Hahn]

And they have been just. This has been all week. I've been dealing with this. I love greatness. I want to see greatness. I'm looking to see if we'll see history with three straight championships. There's something about Mahomes I find compelling. And they say I'm the outlier. What do you say?

[Mike Greenberg]

So, Don, let me talk to you. I've known you 20, however many years it is now 25 years. I hate the way that sounds, but it's true. What is it about the Chiefs you dislike so much?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm just done. I'm just. The fatigue of it all. I mean, I don't. I understand how great they are. I'm not going to take that away. But it's just like it's enough's enough already. I don't know why they irritate. Maybe the Patriots weren't as irritating because the Giants beat them twice. But I'm good. I saw there was a chance for a Lions bill super bowl, and I'm just getting the Chiefs again and everything that comes with it. I'm not anti Taylor Swift, but it's just all of that and the commercial, I'm just. I'm. It's enough. Enough already. And then. And I'm sorry, they get calls. They do. And they got way more calls than the Patriots got. Now, maybe again, I'm biased because the Giants beat him twice, but there's a reason why there's officials that doubt protest too much. Like, I'm offended that you're even saying that. They get called. They get calls. Mahomes is irritating. He's annoying person, nice guy, don't want to see him anymore. So I will root for them because I despise the Eagles with every fiber of my marrow. Marrow that's in the bone. That's in the bone. But I'm done with it. So deep. Done with it. I am done. It doesn't irritate. This is to the level of like having to watch Tiki Barber fumble. And they'd go to commercial and there's Tiki Barber in a commercial. Like I have to watch the Chiefs do. There's a holding penalty that makes a fourth and 11 a first and goal. And then, well, let's go to break. And there's Mahomes, or there's Kelsey, or there's a podcast or. Or there's the Fumbaruski. No, it's over. Please end it for me, please end it. They're the Macarena.

[Mike Greenberg]

I'm so glad I asked that question.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good job, Greeny. Madonna, did you enjoy when you enjoyed Kylie Kelsey on Good Morning America last week? Of course you did. Of course. It was there. And she is very attractive.

[Mike Greenberg]

I didn't see that. I understand that people are tired of them. They've had more than their 15 minutes. I will say this. I think in Patrick Mahomes we are seeing. So, Don, let's try and use the best analogy and put it in your wheelhouse that I can. I think we're seeing Wayne Gretzky in his prime. I think we're seeing Michael Jordan in his prime. I think we're seeing Willie Mays in his prime. I think we're seeing the greatest of the greatest of the greats, the people who will be reserved, the people that books will be written about 100 years after their careers are over. I think that's what we're seeing in Patrick Mahomes, and I appreciate it. Yes, he gets calls. I don't agree with you. The Patriots didn't get calls. The Patriots didn't definitely got calls. If you breathed on Tom Brady, they got calls. Superstars get calls. They do in the NBA. They do in the NFL. They do in Major League Baseball. A pitcher will get this the outside of the plate. He's a big star. Stars get calls. I feel like it's always been that way. I don't think it is disproportionately so relative to the game they play and the position he plays that Mahomes gets them. I think it is just more. More attention is paid to it now because more attention in general is paid to what's going on in sports now. And I think gambling is a part of that because people are losing bets on these things and it makes them mad. So I am not anywhere. While I understand the fatigue, I'm not nearly as tired of them as it sounds like you are. That said, the idea that I would root for the Buffalo Bills as a lifelong Jet fan is almost impossible for me to fathom. But I found myself rooting for Buffalo in that game. I was rooting for Baltimore like crazy a couple of weeks ago because I really thought Baltimore. I still can't believe Baltimore didn't beat them last year, and I can't believe they're not in this game. They are definitively the best team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would think, as a longtime Jet fan, we're the same age that you hate the Bills the least of the Dolphin and Patriot combination. In your division right now?

[Mike Greenberg]

I do, yes. As a kid. As a kid. The Bills. The Bills and the jets were a pretty good rivalry when I was a kid. And the Dolphins. The Patriots were bad. The Patriots, until Parcells got there, were too bad to hate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Mike Greenberg]

They were never a team that were really worth hating. They had that one little stretch to where they got good and they made the super bowl and they got.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, they beat you in 85 to beat the jets in 85.

[Mike Greenberg]

The really big. The really big rival of the jets in my youth was Miami. That was the team that I really hated. Which as I. And you and I have had this conversation a million times. When the Giants beat the Patriots in the super bowl, especially the first time, I celebrated like it was my own team. That's about as happy as I've been with the outcome of a Super bowl ever since. I've never seen my team in it. That's how much I've grown to hate the Patriots now. But, yeah, I'll never root for. I wouldn't. I could never picture myself rooting for the Bills. I found myself rooting for the Bills in that game against Kansas City. Part of me also just kind of would like to see Alan win it. I like him. That said, so I understand what you're saying, and I feel some of it, but I don't feel it in my marrow. I feel strong. Not quite that deep. Maybe some outer organs, but not all the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Were you being. Were you being hyperbolic? Do you actually think that he's Jordan or Gretzky?

[Mike Greenberg]

I. I think he's got a chance to be hell, yeah. I mean, I think he's. When it's all said and done, I think he's going to be the greatest quarterback that ever lived. Isn't that Jordan or Gretzky? I mean, who's Jordan or Gretzky?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, they're not Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes is not even in the MVP conversation this year. Yeah, but the problem with the. The analysis of Jordan and Gretzky is, is that maybe you could say Lebron compared to Jordan, maybe, or to. To Gretzky or Lemieux. I'm sorry, if you want to say Patrick Mahomes the best, there's going to be people that are going to say, no, it's Tom Brady or no, it's Aaron Rodgers or, no, it's Johnny Unit. It's like there. There he. There will be people a lot closer to Mahomes than Jordan and Gretzky. Well, Gretzky has No one close, essentially. Yeah. I don't think so.

[Mike Greenberg]

Let me. Let me read you something. Hold on. I got to find it because I sent it today. I'm going to do it. I'm doing a thing on this tomorrow. Let me find the stat. He is 29 years old. Patrick Mahomes is 29 years old. And what he's about to accomplish. Damn it, why can't I find this? I want to read you the stat here. It'll be in here. Give me a second. Here it is. Patrick Mahomes, if he wins this game, he will have won his fourth Super bowl before turning 30. Let me tell you the company that he will keep. You tell me. This does not put him in the conversation with the greatest of all time. In his first eight seasons, he would have won four championships and two MVPs in the other. In the four major sports. Do you want me to tell you how many people have done that in their first eight seasons?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Mike Greenberg]

The answer is four. Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Gila Fleur, and Bill Russell.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Mike Greenberg]

Mahomes have become the fifth.

[Alan Hahn]

That's quite.

[Mike Greenberg]

If you think it's hyperbolic to say that he is starting to accumulate accomplishments that will put him with the greatest of. The greatest of the greats. I disagree.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Mike Greenberg]

But even 30 years old.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the guys you just mentioned, you know, forget the Yankees, they won every year, right? So it wasn't just about DiMaggio or Mantle. And then Guy Lafleur. I mean, Guillaflour is great. He's a Hall of Famer. He's not going to make the top 20 greatest players of all time. You have to play on the Montreal Canadiens, who won all the time. You know, there's a lot of other aspects here. So if Josh Allen was a chief, I'm sure they'd be winning Super Bowls like you. There's Andy Reid, there's Kelsey. There's a. One of the best defensive coordinators in football. Like so. Yeah, from a winning. If you want to say winner, that's where I get caught up. Greeny is that he's absolutely amazing. When he's at his best, he truly. He reminds me of Steph Curry. He plays the game in a way that we have not seen quarterbacks play it previously. He's an innovator, and for that, I give him all the credit in the world. But this year, for example, to say that when I watched him, I felt the dominance that you were getting from Jordan in the same year of his career or Gretzky in The same year of his career. I would say you'd look at that.

[Alan Hahn]

And say, I don't know, I'm going to, I'm going to jump in and just simply say in a one score game, there's no one in the league you want with the ball more than him. No one. In a playoff game. One score game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

I want that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, because you know the refs are going to give them a holding call on third down and then Jordan pushes but then all of a sudden out of nowhere through the weeds walks in like oh, Eli Manning, who not once but twice in a Super bowl had a game winning drive. Nobody would ever put Eli Manning anywhere near this conversation.

[Alan Hahn]

But I'm talking about in any game, like not just, I mean the playoffs even more. But Granny, that's why I look at Mahomes in the same light that you do is I look at somebody that is a great player who can improvise the game because that means he's highly intellectual when it comes to his own sport. And on top of it, he's a cold blooded winner. He doesn't get nervous, he doesn't have that in him. He just stays calm. And that's a skill that nobody ever really pays enough attention to. The player that can stay serene in a moment of chaos, which is what, what a football game is.

[Mike Greenberg]

So anyways, Patrick Mahomes guys, this season he's, he's playing with well below average offensive teammates. His offensive line sucks. Travis Kelce is old. His wide receiving core from the moment Rasheed Rice went down is well below NFL average. That's probably being kind. When Patrick Mahomes had Travis Kelsey in his prime and Tyree Kill on his team, he put up numbers that compare favorably with any quarterback in any season ever. And he's not any. He's not half. If you look at the modern NFL quarterback career year, he's not halfway done yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, but so what's so real quick, what's so fascinating about this conversation with football is the other guy that we talk about is the winner is Tom Brady. And who did Tom Brady have? One of the greatest coaches of all time. And who are his weapons? Have we have the greatest coaches of all time?

[Mike Greenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Agree. How often we talk about Deon Branch and Troy Brown. We're never going to talk about LeBron's coaches and I know Phil Jackson won a lot, but we're never really going to talk about Jordan's coaches. We're not going to talk about Gretzky's coaches. But in football, you Got to talk about the coach. And if Andy Reid's not there, I don't think any of this is happening, Greeny. I don't think any of it's happening.

[Mike Greenberg]

Oh, no. Andy Reid coached in Philadelphia a really long time, Don. How many champions?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he had Donovan McNabb. Maybe getting Donovan McNabb to a championship game in one super bowl is better than what he's doing with Mahomes. Yeah, I mean, go back and look at those Philly teams, Greeny. They were pretty good. Were they good enough to be 12 and 4 every year? They ran roughshod over the NFC east with Andy Reid there.

[Mike Greenberg]

Guys, the Kansas City Chiefs have lost one game that they tried.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but they can be had.

[Alan Hahn]

They tried to win, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hate them now.

[Mike Greenberg]

Everyone keeps saying they could be had.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't think it was possible. You made me hate them more. Now, how did you do it? Because he's good at what he does. Marrow. Now, I don't test for this hate.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, thank you, Greeny. A fantastic pleasure.

[Mike Greenberg]

Again, congratulations on the new show, guys. I'll be looking forward to listening.

[Alan Hahn]

I love. We'll see you tomorrow. Mike Greenberg.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All those guys up, all those national. The only one that was fully 100% invested in the success of this radio station was Mike Greenberg. Because he is. He is a God to me.

[Alan Hahn]

And now you're upset, and now he just made it and he ruined it for you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My eight levels now, it's like spinal tab. It's now gone to 11. How did he do it?

[Alan Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcast. We got lots of calls to get to because this conversation that we've had throughout the show is generating a lot of response.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This the, the.

[Alan Hahn]

You guys, it's, it's a Super bowl hate.

[Mike Greenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, it's just. I think it's off the charts, but who knows? Let's go to Lake in Washington. Hey, Lake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey guys, can you hear me?

[Alan Hahn]

We got.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Hi. Well, first I just want to start off and just say thank you. I'm. I'm born and raised in Northern Idaho, but all my sports teams are on the east coast and shows like this really help me stay connected. So I want to appreciate you guys. Cool, man. One thing I want to push back on is, look, I'm a Patriots fan. I'll say that up front. So obviously my opinion on the whole Chief situation is going to be a little unique. I am a big Brady fan and anything that pushes Mahomes over that edge is not something I want. And so yeah, I'm definitely rooting for the Eagles. I think the 3P is really cool. But one thing I think is also really impressive and I love to get your thoughts on is, you know, the Patriots won three and six in five years.

[Mike Greenberg]

Sorry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I think it's really cool that or I think it's about as equally as impressive in like the age of the NFL where players just are moving all the time that they were able to stay consistent and you know, three out of five they won. And so one, I'd like to. I just wanted to point that out. And then to yesterday, Alan, you were talking about some insider info that you had gotten from the Senior bowl about draft picks, and you talked about picks one through three, and I was wondering if you had gotten any sort of inkling about the way that the Patriots we're going to draft it for. I assume they'll go tackle, probably Will Campbell, something like that. But I didn't know if you had any other thoughts or got any more info. But, yeah, thank you guys for the call.

[Alan Hahn]

You got it. I got to remember, it was. What was it? It was Matt Miller who put together.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they had a defensive tackle going to the Patriots.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it was the one from Michigan. Right. That student. I believe that's. That's what it was there. I mean, it always feels way too early to talk draft, and we haven't gotten super bowl yet. To me, what was compelling about that mock was all the information that was gathered at Senior bowl. And it seems like the run on quarterbacks that we get every year had kind of chilled out a little bit. And the idea that Cam Ward could fall to third to three to the Giants speak some volumes. And maybe the Giants get their guy, but maybe it's also a guy that not everybody feels like you got to get. Let's go to Henry in South Carolina. Henry. Henry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Henry. Henry. Hank.

[Alan Hahn]

Henry. Hey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey.

[Mike Greenberg]

Sorry about that, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hate to derail this fantastic Mahomes.

[Mike Greenberg]

Conversation, but I had a. I had a jail in Brunson appreciation day.

[Alan Hahn]

So.

[Mike Greenberg]

Going back North Jersey guy here moved south. But I. I recall and look back fondly on the days of when Jason Kidd invigorated energy into the New Jersey Nets back in the day. And Alan, I wanted to ask you if you think that the Jalen Brunson era here in New York is a. Is a. Is a decent comp to that, because.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I feel like they obviously are not.

[Mike Greenberg]

The same in terms of their play, but they definitely make their teammates better. And they've certainly, you know, Jalen Brunson.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Coming to the Knicks now has made me really interested in the team again, along with your coverage as well. And I don't know, I'm like, all in on the Knicks.

[Mike Greenberg]

I feel the same way as I did when Kidd came to the Nets. I didn't follow the team to Brooklyn.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I'm a fraud in that way.

[Mike Greenberg]

But I just wanted to get your thoughts on that.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it is a decent comp. Although, you know, kid came into the League with a lot more fanfare than Brunson. Now Brunson was a college player of the year and won a national championships, but was still a second round pick. You know, Kidd was considered a. He was a lottery pick. He was somebody that, you know, teams were trying to build with and you know, the Nets made a bold move. That was a. Speaking of trade, star for star. I believe that was kid for Marbury.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Like that's a. That was a star for star kind of trade.

[Mike Greenberg]

That was kid Marbury.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. There's one that you could argue was, you know, two big names. But his. Its impact on the franchise, Henry, I think is what you're saying and I'd say it's very comparable. Kid got there and suddenly there was just a different standard and a different way they carried themselves. There was a credibility that had been long lost, that was gained. Those Nets teams were very good and obviously they got to back to finals. But I think it's fair to say the impact. Henry, thanks for the call. The impact when it comes to. On culture, on franchise, you could argue that that was definitely there. Dave in the car. What's up, Dave?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, how you doing guys?

[Mike Greenberg]

I just want to say that the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Whole argument with that Mahomes thing has to do with age. I'm 62 years old.

[Mike Greenberg]

If you take John Elway and put him with Andy Reid and those guys, he's doing the same thing in my opinion. Same thing with Brady, same thing with Joe Montana. One comment to make about the Knicks was you, Alan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The 94 team, if they played this year's team, I'm not going to say blowout. No.

[Mike Greenberg]

They're going to win the game 100%. You can go player for player, anything you want to do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They destroy them on the boards.

[Mike Greenberg]

They would kill them.

[Alan Hahn]

Which team are you talking about? You're talking about the. You're saying the 94 team would be 94.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nick team would beat this team, this year's Nick team.

[Mike Greenberg]

I'm not saying blowout.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm saying definitely.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean that's a bigger. It's a bigger team. Yeah, let's go by rules too. But that's a bigger team. So I can't argue with you. That's physically a bigger team.

[Mike Greenberg]

Yeah, I mean it's a bigger team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm saying you said one time.

[Mike Greenberg]

That, you know, this is the best.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Team since I saw 73.

[Mike Greenberg]

I was only 10 years old, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I saw the game.

[Mike Greenberg]

I still haven't Frazier, Monroe, the whole nine thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm saying the 94 team, in my opinion, was a better team than this year's team.

[Mike Greenberg]

Just my opinion.

[Alan Hahn]

I kind of gotta say, look, that was my wheelhouse, that team. I mean, that was my. That 93 and 94, those are my favorite teams. I just, I love those teams. But they were, they. We forget now, time always goes by and we forget the flaws. That team had flaws. Their offense was not pretty. Like, it really wasn't. It was a very. It was a very kind of plodding offense. That was a lot of pick and roll, a lot of posting up. You know, it was not an offense. That was a lot of ball movement. And, you know, if you played faster against them, you struggled like they struggled when you played fast. And I just, you know, but I'm with you. But look, by the way, like to say that, I mean, Elway was coached by Dan Reeves, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, what are you saying? Like, I put Elway with, with the Chiefs? Is that what he was saying? Like, if you put Elway in that situation, wouldn't he be in the same level?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, they were great teams, but. No, but great running game, great coach. Yeah, well, great coach Dan Reeves, he went to. Was it five Super Bowls, didn't win any of them.

[Alan Hahn]

And that was the knock on Elway. He could never win.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But also they were a major underdog in every super bowl they played in. We look at the Bills losing four straight Super Bowls, you don't think that's an accomplishment to be able to be that consistently good and then being the only game that they were favored was the Giant game. They were underdogs against the Cowboys and the Redskins. And the same thing with those Bronco teams. Those Bronco teams were the best in the afc. Unfortunately, the NFC was a dominant conference at the time, but he went to four Super Bowls, lost them all. But it wasn't his fault. He didn't have a ton of talent. You can't name that many great players with Steve Sewell, you know, Bobby Humphries. Like, there weren't a lot of great players on those Denver teams, but we put so much on winning. So Mahomes is so much better than John Elway because John Elway only won the two at the tail end when he finally had a running game at Terrell Davis. And by the way, that's going with penalties matter, by the way, because that's not. Forget how one of those Super Bowls ends. Those penalties matter because, Don, that's. That's why I have to make a big deal. The penalty if the penalty is the reason you end up winning one of those Super Bowls and now that's the reason you're a better quarterback than the next guy. That's a tough argument. Listen, John Elway is every bit as good as Mahomes. No, don't tell me the stats, because that was 35 years.

[Alan Hahn]

But I don't think we're doing the physical talent, because physical talent, it's probably Elway with everything, the stature, size, the arms, all that stuff. I mean, you could even say Dan Marino if you want to say the greatest to ever play the position.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

But might not be a guy who's even won a Super Bowl.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So because he's won all these Super Bowls at such a young age that we're going to put him up there and Joe Montana's got to be there because he was 4 for 4. Well, Terry Bradshaw was also 4 for 4. Put him up there like John Elway, if given the right circumstances, would probably have a bunch more rings. And isn't it telling that he finally won two rings at the tail end.

[Alan Hahn]

Of his career with a running game with.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He finally had Terrell Davis, who's going to the hall of Fame. He finally had some really good players around him, and then he finally went. So you're telling me that. That John Elway was better than the Elway that lost the fourth super bowl spree? No. Fair point, silly. Like, I understand it's all about the championship, but can we have some nuance and realize that, hey, Mahomes is very lucky to land with Andy Reid. If he had been drafted by the jets, he'd be on his fourth team right now. And we'd say, why Was Mahomes drafted 10th overall?

[Alan Hahn]

And then there's Peyton Manning, who wasn't considered a winner because he could never get past Brady finally does. And the, and the second super bowl he won wasn't really on his arm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he's a passenger on that one. But the year before that, he throws for over 50 touchdowns in Denver. Flacco throws a bomb, you know, and his defense gets caught on a Hail Mary and they lose that game. It's. There's a lot of other. I just. I'm not going to call Mike Greenberg lazy. I'm just saying it's such a lazy take, that because he's won these Super Bowls, he's automatically better than all these other quarterbacks.

[Alan Hahn]

I think there's something to be said about, as I said, in the world of chaos, that you could be so serene and so on point Mentally, I'm telling you, the physical talent, it's all on the same level.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you know what?

[Alan Hahn]

But the ability to just process and execute in those riotous moments, you got.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To give credit where credit until he faced the Buccaneers and he's running for his life. And it all, all that went away because they played a team that was better on that particular day. Right? So come on, man. I know the quarterback's so important, but he's. That's why like basketball is different. LeBron James can take a team, grab it by the lapel and just drag them right through a game. Play 42, 43 minutes, take every big shot. But you got to be on the right team as a quarter, as good as you are. And by the way, if. If Steve Spagnolo doesn't come up with the play call that he does on that Bill's drive to end the game, the Bill Cake doesn't drop the ball. The Bills go down and win the game. And we're not even having this conversation. But instead that doesn't happen. And now. Oh my God. Mahomes is going to three peat. He's amazing. Just a lot is getting heaped on. Is he one of the great quarterbacks of all time? There's no question. But don't give me all the Super Bowls as the mic drop on why he's so much better than the Elways of dead. You don't want that to be the last of the world.

[Alan Hahn]

Unfortunately, history is written by the winner. That. That's a. That's a reality. But I get it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You be above that.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't want it to be the last thing said but not the first thing said. But it should be in the comments.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But when you have a four hour show, can't we also have the nuance of digging a little deeper than just showing the rain?

[Alan Hahn]

Which I think we have though. Damn right when you consider all the other things that he's accomplished. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. All right everybody. The Superbox Bonanza 6. Each qualifier will take home an ESPN prize pack. Have a chance at one of 10 Superbox prizes. So our caller number today is Dennis Podvin. That's right. Google it. Call our number Dennis Potvin right now at 888987 ESPN. 888987 ESPN. Select the box for the big game with a chance to win $250 in the first and third quarters, 500 at halftime, and a final score payout of $1,000. All brought to you by Tully Mordew. Irish Whiskey Sloman Security and Security Dodge stop 24 [e-mail] during their President's Day sales event. You know what I mean when I say Dennis Poppin, right, Don?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, but I've lost my confidence. And I can picture him.

[Alan Hahn]

Cinco.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really?

[Alan Hahn]

This is same as Jaden Danes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I didn't. I didn't.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, we already picked five, so I figured why not run it back? Threw it out there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Rewind selector. God. Great player.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, my God.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was always talking to him when.

[Alan Hahn]

We were being down in Florida, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And even in Ottawa.

[Alan Hahn]

Great talk there for a little bit. Game time. Did you get Donnie?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Wow. I used to just casually talk to Dennis Popvin.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catching a name drop for that. Oh, do you not say that you said it right? Well, I didn't have to say he said it, and I just kind of climbed the board. But I didn't say.

[Alan Hahn]

Am I a bad influence?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. Is this an influence when someone is being talked about and you mention that you saw them? That's not a name drop. Yes, it is. I'm not saying it's bad. A name drop is. You know, I was talking to Dennis Poppen the other day.

[Alan Hahn]

He told me randomly, just bring it up randomly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why? Did they create the. Well, no, that's what you just said is a more aggressive. Okay, so there's degrees. There's levels, degrees. That was a tepid.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, if I told you, like, Chuck D just texted me during the break to tell us the show, but I'm now name dropping, even though I'm letting you know that he loves the show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the opposite of Michael, where I got a text from someone. He wouldn't tell us who it was. It says, don, you're. You're an idiot. Like, why don't you tell me who it is? He would never tell us who it was.

[Alan Hahn]

Really? Like, it's a big secret.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I want to know who's talking about.

[Alan Hahn]

I think he likes that, though. He probably likes the fact that you don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, he's into it.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He knows the people that he friendly with, people that I despise.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's probably why he doesn't want you to know. Game time, brought to you by Telemar Dew Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time, it's telly time. Nick's back in action. They're up north to face the Raptors in Toronto. Coverage begins immediately following us right here on 880 at 7pm on MSG as well. Me and Bill Peto in the studio today, Fellas. Devils and Le Penguin at seven. Peter, that's your team, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I'll be dialed in.

[Alan Hahn]

The kid.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just kidding. I won't care.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, Nets host. What kind of fan are you? Not a good one. Nets in the Rockets. At least he admitted.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, not in February.

[Alan Hahn]

7:30.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's in the Rockets again.

[Alan Hahn]

No, remember the Rockets were last night.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Against the Knicks, beat the Rockets in Houston Saturday.

[Alan Hahn]

And remember Emo Doka called them like a low level team or something like that. Yeah, yeah, there's that. Right. They get to see each other again. And he was furious about the way they talk about the Rocket. That's a bad loss for them last night at the Garden. Even though Peter's a fraud, I'm not on my phone while watching Knicks at the studio. I'll be watching Islanders and the Golden Knights.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Barzell might be done for the rest of the regular season. That's. That's a gut punch.

[Alan Hahn]

He took a puck off then. Did you see that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I didn't.

[Alan Hahn]

That looked painful. You know, like it's the side of the. There's no padding. Yeah, that's on the shin guard. It's just absolute disaster. So anyways, islanders, Golden Knights, UBS 7:30. And that is, oh, by the way, at The Garden tonight, St. John's 12th ranked St. John's taking on Marquette, 11th ranked Marquette.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's not.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

You wanted to get into the officiating thing, right?

[Alan Hahn]

I think it's just something we can get into real quick here if you want to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We can save it for six if you like. I just, I have it up here. Go ahead.

[Alan Hahn]

I was going to play Goodell.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do it.

[Alan Hahn]

And this is Roger Goodell. Yesterday on this whole theory, this conspiracy theory, the Chiefs just get all the calls. Well, this sort of reminds me, reminds.

[Mike Greenberg]

Me a little bit of the script, right. That I write a script. And I have the script for the entire season. Listen, you know, I think from a.

[Alan Hahn]

Lot of those theories are things that.

[Mike Greenberg]

Happen in social media and they get a new life. As you say, it's not your theory, but it's out there. Nobody wants it to be their theory. And so I understand that. I think it reflects a lot of the fans passion and I think it's. It also is a reminder for us how important officiating is.

[Alan Hahn]

And I think the men and women.

[Mike Greenberg]

That officiate in the NFL are outstanding. They have the highest possible standards. That's ridiculous theory for anyone who might take it seriously. But at the end of the day, you know, it's something we always have.

[Alan Hahn]

To continue to work on.

[Mike Greenberg]

How do we make our officiating better?

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, fine.

[Alan Hahn]

I would expect him to say that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But. But fine. He, he wasn't outrageous. He defended the allegations. I'm fine with that. Here's where the league loses me the the NFL Referees association, which is their executive director, is Scott Green. So Scott Green in a statement said Commissioner Goodell's comments that it is ridiculous to presume that NFL officials are not doing everything possible to make the right call and every play is spot on. Officiating crews do not work the same team more than twice each regular season. If it ended there, I'm great. This is where it gets a little crazy. It is insulting and preposterous to hear conspiracy theories that somehow 17 officiating crews consisting of 138 officials are colluding to assist one team. Dalf protests too much. Like that's where you kind of like now you're being overly aggressive like you were. Fine. But insulting and preposterous when we've already seen a major league umpire lose his job because he was sharing his betting app. But that was yesterday. We've seen an NBA official lose his job for point shaving allegations. Right. So do I think the NFL is conspiring to have the Chiefs win? I don't. But that doesn't mean that there have been bad calls, that officials sometimes are swayed by the greatness of Mahomes or any other great player and that there isn't something going on where it seems like every third and long where there's an incompletion. Whoop, there's a holding penalty. You're kind of holding your breath for it. So you could tell me, oh, Josh Allen had more defensive holding penalties when he threw. I get it. But that last sentence kind of lost me. Then you got a little too overly aggressive, a little too sensitive.

[Alan Hahn]

It was. Yeah. It was as if you could have just stopped there, but you kept going, which made it seem like, you know, you're angrier than you should be about this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did I get that Shakespearean quote correct? Is it?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Doth protest too much, right? Doth.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. You don't use the word doth often. That's the spot.

[Alan Hahn]

The Old English. We don't like to bring it back. But Don did, and so Don did. Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app.

[Alan Hahn]

And your smart speakers.