Hour 3: Mike Sando & Aaron Judge

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast

Episode: Hour 3: Mike Sando & Aaron Judge
Date: August 5, 2026
Featured Guests: Mike Sando (The Athletic)

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Episode Overview

This hour centers on two main themes: the much-anticipated release of Mike Sando’s annual NFL Quarterback Tiers and an update on Aaron Judge’s injury status. The lively discussion features in-depth breakdowns of quarterback rankings, opinions from NFL executives and coaches, local relevance for New York fans, and a characteristically humorous, insider segment on nicknames in sports. The show wraps up with speculation about Aaron Judge’s return and a debate on sports nicknames.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Quarterback Tiers Breakdown with Mike Sando

[00:39–21:58]

Introduction to the Quarterback Tiers

• Mike Sando explains his yearly project at The Athletic: polling 50 NFL coaches and executives to rank 35 veteran quarterbacks into four tiers.
• The focus is on New York teams and national stars, with special attention to how organizational support and context affects quarterback play.

Why Lamar Jackson Dropped from Tier 1

• Sando reveals Lamar Jackson, previously a strong Tier 1, has slipped to Tier 2:
  • Quote: “Without him being a super great threat with his legs, he's just a really good quarterback... that's why he's still top five, but they didn’t necessarily feel that he was as dynamic.” (Sando, 01:40)
  • Rushing yards halved from previous seasons, making him less of a dual threat.

Patrick Mahomes & Top Five

• Top 5 as ranked: Mahomes, Allen, Stafford, Burrow, then Lamar.
• Only four Tier 1 quarterbacks this year.

The Justin Herbert Debate

• Herbert sparks debate—some are "sick of waiting" for playoff results, yet he's still highly rated due to physical tools and potential.
  • Quote: “A very high percentage of the teams associated with the quarterbacks below him would rather have Herbert… but I don't want to hear that every year. It's too many years.” (Sando, 04:44)

New Faces and Local Quarterbacks

• Jackson Dart (Giants) lands in Tier 3: admired for charisma and arm talent, but major durability concerns due to playing style.
  • Quote: “He brings a lot of charisma… but everybody's worried about the sustainability of how he plays.” (Sando, 06:12)

Jaden Daniels’ Trajectory

• Big rookie year with Washington elevated him to near Tier 1, but lost ground due to injuries and team’s poor record in his starts.
  • Quote: “It's optimism on Jaden Daniels… he's still solidly in Tier 2 with nobody really raising anything but the durability.” (Sando, 08:09)

Geno Smith: From Seattle to the “Group of Death”

• Ranked 30th (Tier 4) after a rough season with the Raiders, but Sando suggests he was caught in organizational chaos and will likely outperform his current ranking with the Jets.
  • Quote: “He can be a steadying force for the Jets and be better than what they've had.” (Sando, 10:17)

The Role of Organization & Environment

• Half the league’s quarterbacks are in the top two tiers; organizational stability often determines whether QBs flourish or fail.
  • Quote: “What's around him is a huge thing for all of these guys… New York/New Jersey is just a tough place to play.” (Sando, 14:21)

Malik Willis & Aaron Rodgers

• Willis: roster quality will likely hold him back.
• Rodgers: Ranked mid-tier (Tier 3) due to elite mental skills but diminishing physical ability.
  • Quote: “It’s like elite processing… but it’s not really a three to me… it could be a fatal flaw for him athletically at this stage of his career.” (Sando, 17:34)

NFC East Quarterback Hierarchy

• Dak (8th overall) tops the division, followed by Daniels, Hurts, then Dart—surprising to some given Hurts' Super Bowl accomplishments.
  • Quote: “If you were an Eagles fan, how excited would you be about signing [Hurts] to an expensive extension with a raise? And I can't find too many people who really want to do that.” (Sando, 19:46)

Evaluating Success vs. Skill

• Eye test and numbers align: Hurts is successful, but considered limited as a passer; Daniels impresses with potential.
• Memorable moment recalling Daniels silencing Detroit as a rookie:
  • Quote: “What he did in Detroit. People forget. That Detroit team was killing everybody… That was an insane environment. And he walked in there and just went toe to toe, just lasers.” (Don Hahn, 23:36)

Sustainability Concerns for Young QBs

• Jackson Dart’s aggressive style poses a durability risk for the Giants moving forward.

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2. Aaron Judge Injury Update

[32:27–41:29]

Judge Cleared for Light Activity

• Yankees’ Aaron Judge gets medical clearance to start running and resistance training, slowly moving toward baseball drills.
  • Quote: “He’s been cleared to start some light activity in his progression back... slowly but surely, hopefully, starting baseball activities.” (Boone audio via Host, 32:33)

Will Judge Return This Season?

• Judge is unequivocal about his intent:
  • Quote: “Oh, I'll be back this season. I don't know why I wouldn't be. That was always the plan to come back sooner than later, definitely. But I've never had a thought of not playing this year.” (Aaron Judge, 33:04)

No Concrete Target Date

• No specific date set for return yet.
  • Quote: “No, I got nothing for you on that yet. I just got the scan yesterday, and the minute they said, all right, we're going to start running, I said, okay, I'll see you outside.” (Aaron Judge, 33:31)

Handling Public Relations For The Yankees

• Hosts suggest the Yankees timed Judge’s positive news after a poor trade deadline and a loss, focusing fan attention on hope.
  • Quote: “Disappointing trade deadline and then a disappointing, just absolute brutal loss. And then the next day... let's make Judge available. Right. Positive update on Judge.” (Host, 34:29)

Listener Engagement

• Playful speculation on Judge’s comeback date; consensus that the team and Judge are handling the timeline with caution and optimism.

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3. Sports Nicknames & Locker Room Culture

[36:07–41:29]

Don’s “Nickname Crusade”

• Don grows adamant about not using earned/unearned nicknames (“AG,” “Harbs”), sparking a debate about the function and fun of sports nicknames.

  • Quote: “Don’s take on AG was that he didn’t earn it and that it’s not that hard to just say Aaron Glenn. It’s two syllables.” (Host recounting Don, 37:24)

• The guys riff on coaches’ and players’ tendencies to shorten and play with names, landing on the conclusion that nicknames are about endearment, not efficiency or achievement.

  • Peter Rosenberg: “His whole thing, that nickname is only about shortening the name. Like, that’s not what a nickname is really for.” (37:34)

• The segment devolves hilariously into a rundown of “Stormy” as a name in sports, entertainment, politics, and weather, connecting it to mascots, TV personalities, and even Stormy Daniels.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Sando on Herbert: “The flip side of that is I don't want to hear that every year. It's too many years. And if he was all that by this point, he would have overcome it more. He wouldn't be blowing that big league lead against Jacksonville in the playoffs.” (04:44)
• Sando on New York’s Challenges: “New York, slash, New Jersey is just a tough place to play. It’s a different stress, it’s a different scrutiny. It’s not for everybody.” (14:21)
• Sando on Hurts: “If you were the GM or you’re an Eagles fan, how excited would you be about signing him to an expensive extension with a raise? And I can’t find too many people who really want to do that.” (19:46)
• Don Hahn on Judge: “The minute they said, you know what, you can start doing some light running. Let’s. I’ll see you outside. Let’s go.” (35:12)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:39–21:58 | NFL Quarterback Tiers with Mike Sando
• 21:58–32:27 | Hosts discuss tier implications, eye test vs. analytics
• 32:27–35:12 | Aaron Judge injury update: medical clearance and optimism
• 35:12–36:07 | Judge’s return timeline speculation
• 36:07–41:29 | Sports nicknames debate, locker room stories, playful banter
• 41:12–end | Listener Q&A and closing riff on Judge’s target return date

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Tone & Style

• Language: Conversational, witty, and direct. The hosts mix serious analysis with inside jokes and personal asides, keeping things approachable for both diehard and casual fans.
• Atmosphere: Fun, knowledgeable, peppered with pop culture, humor, and New York sports culture references.

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Useful for Listeners Who Missed the Show

This summary provides a detailed walkthrough of the hour’s main content: NFL quarterback rankings and what separates “good” from “elite,” how environment impacts performance, inside baseball on Aaron Judge’s recovery, and the playful nuances of sports nicknames. Key insights, quotes, and memorable moments make it easy for both sports fans and casual listeners to catch up on everything that mattered in this lively episode.

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Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Let's get back into football. Mike Sando, senior writer with the Athletic, puts together the NFL quarterback tears. Now, when we used to say quarterback tears here in New York, it meant we were crying because we just couldn't find a good quarterback for years, especially if you're a Jets fan. But this year, two very interesting stories on the quarterback side of things. But the quarterback tiers, and we mean tier 1, tier 2, tier 3, tier 4, all based off of what executives and coaches say about 35 veteran quarterbacks in the NFL and where they rank. Peter did his tables yesterday and he has his setup, which is very similar to the tears, of course. But Mike is joining us right now to discuss what he gathered together from these executives and coaches and where they all rank, including the two local quarterbacks. Mike, how you doing? Thanks for joining us.

[Mike Sando]

I'm doing great. Yeah, I love the convo. What stood out to you guys?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Well, the first thing that stands out to me that I'm curious about is the fact that Lamar Jackson is not a tier one, but he's right on the cusp. He's a tier two. What do you gather from that?

[Mike Sando]

Yeah, so he was, he was very strongly a tier one last year, but he's been to most of his career. I think early on, you know, he was, his strength was so geared towards running and then he became a better passer. And when he was good at both, he, you know, really went into tier one. Now this past year was a tough one for him. I was a little surprised probably that he dropped out as quickly as he did. But it's kind of similar to like Philip Rivers, even Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, those guys were like career high twos who would sometimes go into one. But last year for Lamar, his rushing just wasn't really a factor. I think it went down to about 25 yards a game, half what he was at before, which was down from for that. So I think what the voters are telling us here, the coaches and executives is without him being a super great threat with his legs. He's just a really good quarterback and that's why he's still top five. He's fifth overall, but they didn't necessarily feel that he was as dynamic.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah, it's the rooms, I think is because five still is very good. But it's the fact that the. There's four that makes it again that's elite company and those four, for those listening again, in the Athletic New York Times, Patrick Mahomes, number one, Josh Allen, number two, Matthew Stafford, number three, Joe Burrow, number four. With Lamar starting off tier two as. As the fifth.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, now we did. I did my. I like to do my little tables every year, Mike, that are sort of, you know, sort of a similar concept.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

But you didn't talk to any executives or coaches.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is literally. This is literally me just looking and it's a eyeball test that I enjoy doing and we're very similar throughout. Now, one thing that I got a little bit of question on and I'm curious for your thoughts is there are some people who are sort of sick of Justin Herbert. And like I consistently have him. I do it as wedding table.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Madison Beer is not. Not sick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, Madison is not. And I consistently have him sitting at table two. You have him in the same sort of area. What is it about Justin Herbert, in your eyes that still deserves to be towards the top of the heap?

[Mike Sando]

I think that almost a very high percentage of the teams associated with the quarterbacks below him would rather have Herbert. Right. You would look at him and say, he checks every box of what I'm looking for in a quarterback in terms of his ability to throw. He's obviously very athletic, can run, he's a big guy. So there's no limitation in terms of what he can see. But, you know, they have not probably supported him as well as some other organizations have supported their guys. Look at a. Matt Stafford was in Detroit a really long period of time and gets to the Rams and things kind of click to another level. I feel like the Chargers, you know, people forget because they've been competitive. They've had Philip Rivers and Justin Herbert for 20 some years. They have not won a division title since the 2000s, division, since the 2000. That's really hard to do. And so I think the degree to which you like Justin Herbert is the degree to which you buy the sort of excuses that beyond the organization, his whole offensive line was basically gutted last year by injury or they haven't had the good, you know, the good receiving weapons for him or early in his career when he was doing better offensively, they were bad on defense, and so he was just sort of left with a team that wasn't really supporting him at a baseline level in some key areas. The flip side of that is I don't want to hear that every year. It's too many years. And if he was all that by this point, he would have overcome it more. He wouldn't be blowing that big league lead against Jacksonville in the playoffs. So I think he's somebody, you know, he gets. He got votes in Tier one and Tier three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Mike Sando]

Tier three is like, I'm just tired of it.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah. Tier three is, like, almost like a message being sent with some of these guys. Like you said, it's just. It's like, hey, you know, we know you're good, but you still have to show it. And that's what we're still waiting for. It's a. It's a perfect take on Herbert because he just look right, he looks the part, but we're still waiting for that moment. And the playoff moment where at halftime you're like, okay, this is going to be it. And then the second half, it's like, nope, no, it's not. And that's the part that really concerns you, I'm guessing. Rookies aren't in this conversation. So Jackson Dart wasn't on. Wasn't in any list last year. But I find it interesting that he's. He is a Tier three. What, what is, what do they see in Jackson Dart and what are the expectations about him in his first year with John Harbaugh?

[Mike Sando]

Yeah, and a lot of times the, the guys who debut in their second year are kind of lower because Tier four can be Jacoby Berset. You know, hey, he's a veteran. That's probably not going to start the whole year, or it can be. I need to see more information. No offense, you know, I'm not saying you're bad, but I'm not going to give you one of the grades. So some of these young guys get a number of fours. Like, we need to see more. I think people with Jackson Dart, you know, appreciate his ability to throw the ball. Obviously, he brings a lot of charisma to the, to the game, and so there's promise there, but everybody's worried about the sustainability of how he plays. I've, you know, joke a little bit that if you were to show him the play of Gus Farot, famously headbutting the wall and getting a concussion Dart would be like, dang, why didn't I think of that? You know, he's so enthusiastic and that yet that position is so much about managing everything, right? That understanding that you hold a lot of people's livelihoods in the palm of your hand. And so it's not just about what's fun playing ball and you know, and sometimes running down the field and you know, almost taunting guys. That kind of works better for the running backs than the quarterbacks over time. And he's been, you know, treated for, investigated a number of concussions and is it sustainable is the number one question with Jackson Dart.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, you know, obviously you don't care about my feelings because you referenced Gus Farat and you don't want to bring up any bad memories as a Commanders fan, but what are people saying about my guy, Jaden Daniels? I, you know, I, after, after his rookie year, Mike, I thought it was fair to have him literally in tier one. I mean that was what I thought we saw from him. And then obviously last year was such a huge question mark. Are more people concerned about his availability or are there people who believe maybe year one was an anomaly and he was figured out a bit in year two?

[Mike Sando]

I think it's availability. You know, he, I mentioned before that a lot of times after one year the voters are cautious, you know, and sort of taken out and don't really put him up there. But I think you could not do that with Jaden Daniels because he not only checked the box of being an effective rookie as a passer and a runner, people impressed with the passing part. That's the sustainable part people feel in the league. Not only that, then the team success. You take the Commanders to the championship game. I mean they haven't been doing anything for decades. And so I think he checked those two boxes and people moved them up to six right on the doorstep of tier one with a bet on him that he was headed, headed towards T1, that he would get there. What got revived this last year were some of those pre draft, pre rookie season concerns about the durability. He, he, that was an issue for him. I think it probably didn't help that the team was 2 and 5 in the games that he did start. Some of that could be that Cliff Kingsbury was figured out. That's kind of been a theme in his career after a little bit of, you know, a year or two or two and a half years with a team. So I still think it's optimism on Jaden Daniels. Yes, he falls to 13, but some other guys moved past him. He's still solidly in Tier 2 with nobody really raising anything but the durability. So, you know, go out there and play and. And you know you're going to be a high tier two probably.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Well, Mike Sando joining us right now from the Athletic on the different quarterback tiers 1, 2, 3 and 4. So Jackson Dart of the Giants is. Is in tier three and I think appropriately ranked. When you talk about 24th, Geno Smith is 30th. That puts him in tier four. He had two really good years in Seattle. He put up numbers in Seattle that the jets haven't seen since Joe Namath. Now, I know last year he was really bad. The team, of course he played for in the Raiders was really bad with a bad offensive line. What was Geno Smith last year after some of that success he had in Seattle? And why does he fall into that, you know, that group of. The group of death?

[Mike Sando]

Basically, yeah. So I would say his final year in Seattle wasn't as good as the year before. So there was already a little bit of a perception that, hey, it was a great story, but came back to earth a little bit to the point that the Seahawks were willing to, you know, not offer him a real contract that he liked and then trade him. Now, the Raider part is where I think they were a mess because they didn't have a clear vision of what they wanted to do offensively with Pete Carroll, who, you know, wants to win the game running the ball and playing defense, and Chip Kelly who's famous for, you know, going super fast tempo and, and playing a totally different style. And there was just a lot of conflict, I think, with the coaches there. Same thing on the defensive side. They had a holdover coordinator in Patrick Graham who wants to do things totally differently from Carroll. I think Geno Smith was caught in the middle of that and the truth is, in the middle, I think he's. He's probably rated a little bit too low. I think he can be a steadying force for the jets and be better than what they've had. Now he's still going to. He trusts that arm now. You know, he's going to. There's going to be some turnovers. He is going to put the ball in harm's way, but he's going to make some plays, too. Unless he just hits a wall physically, I would think, think that he's better than where they rated him here.

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[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

That's what I'm really watching because there's some quarterbacks that I'm looking. First of all, the fact that tier 2 is the largest group out of all the other four tiers. It. It does suggest there are more above average quarterbacks in the NFL than maybe we thought because you always feel like there's never enough quarterbacks. There's 32 teams, but there's not 32 quality quarterbacks, but above average. I mean, you're talking about more than half the league seems to have an above average quarterback. Some of it doesn't it Mike, have to do with what's around you? And I think that's what for Geno. He probably has something around him with that jet offense that I know it's hard to say jets and good. But you know there is potential with that offense because of the weapons, right?

[Mike Sando]

You're right. So there's 16 quarterbacks in the top two tiers, exactly half the league. And then there's some guys below that who you know have won a Super Bowl. Jalen Hurts or Aaron Rodgers, guys you might consider to still be, you know, pretty good. And Geno Smith fell into the top. He's really very high in the top of tier four. 18 of the voters put him in tier three.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Okay.

[Mike Sando]

If he's a low tier three or even a mid tier three quarterback, that's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the best the jets have had in years.

[Mike Sando]

Goodness.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Mike Sando]

You can win with that with decent around him.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And.

[Mike Sando]

And what's around him is a huge thing for all of these guys. The stability of your organization, we talked about even at the top. Matthew Stafford was always tier two. Well, he gets to be with, you know, the Rams, who are a good organization. He's with McVay, things settle down for him and he probably wants to play more. He's probably more excited about coming to work and he's playing longer and he's playing better. You know, I think we've seen Sam Darnold go from, you know, tough places to better places and do well. The one thing though, that I. That comes back to me is New York, slash, New Jersey is just a tough place to play. It's a different stress, it's a different scrutiny. It's not for everybody. And we have seen Daniel Jones and we have seen Sam Darnold, you know, be kind of laughed off there and go to places where Indy, not a big media market. You know, good offensive line, pretty good scheming offensive coach in Shane Steichen. Darnold go to Seattle, a long way from anywhere in the league. You know, not as much of a media presence, great defensive coach, good defense, just be asked to make some plays. But guess what? That defense is going to win some games. A lot of the games.

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[Mike Sando]

And even in Minnesota, great defense, that's how you win without being a great quarterback. You can just be average or good. You're going to win. And so, you know, the demands of that place. There's been few people, you know, Eli Manning able to kind of weather it, but not many have been able to do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You think Malik Willis stays in sort of the position he's in right now, Bottom or top of tier 4, or do you expect. Is that more just. We haven't seen enough of him as a starter and he could take a significant jump.

[Mike Sando]

Yeah, I think he's actually did pretty well here with 17 votes in tier three brought him at the very top of tier four. So 17 people are thinking, I'm going to. I'm willing to say he's a legitimate starter in the league. That's pretty good. When you look at the body of work, it's. It's really not that many games. So the problem there is the Dolphins gutted their roster. Terrible receiving core. They look like they're trying to stretch out a long Runway here. And the problem for Malik Willis is he's obviously not probably a top couple tier guy. He's not going to. He needs guys to help him be better. He's probably not going to make the guys around him better. So I could see that being a tough situation for him and maybe having to try to do too much and not look as comfortable as he did in Green Bay.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Also Aaron, Aaron Rodgers and where he is back with Mike McCarthy having him again tier three really right in the middle where he's ranked. What was said about Rodgers where he is. This feels a bit of a farewell tour thing with him there in that division. Like what should we expect out of him at the end of what was for the most part a dynamic career?

[Mike Sando]

I would think it's going to be a little bit more of the same. I mean he actually he improved a little bit from the year before. Maybe there's some familiarity with McCarthy that helps him. He's one that did way better in this survey among coaches than he did among personnel people.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Interesting.

[Mike Sando]

That's because coaches really value things like your acumen, your pre snap ability to know what's going on and he can still throw a great ball. The personnel people tend to be more into the physical traits and where you're at in your career and it scares the heck out of them to have a 42 year old guy who can't get out of his own way when there's a rush. Things have to be right around him from a protection standpoint and he holds the ball. He certainly did in the playoffs some instead to try to make a play as if he's younger when that thing's got to come out. And so I think that all sort of it's like elite processing still probably pretty elite arm. So he's like a one there and then he's like a four in his body's ability to carry that all out without the mobility that he used to have. And so you average it out but it's not really a three to me the way CJ Stroud as a three or Bo Nix is a three. It could be a fatal flaw for him athletically at this stage of his career.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Rogers it really is amazing right. Like because that was a big part of why he was so great of the processing, the arm, the accuracy but also the because he could get out of trouble like he did have like that sneaky good agility that, that, you know, he did use to his advantage and that when that's gone now it's just strictly. He's got to be a lot quicker with what he does just, just to wrap it up because again, we're in New York. So, you know, you focus so much on the local stuff and divisions. I'm, I'm. It's very interesting when I just. Because I wrote it down separately from the list. So if you rank the quarterbacks, which you always like to do, NFC east, which is a, you know, again, this is a tough division. Dak Prescott at number one in the division because he was very high in tier two, eighth, I believe. Then Jaden Daniels, then Jalen Hurts and then of course Jackson Dart, who's the only one that's in tier three. But it is interesting with Dak at number one and Hertz at three when it comes to that division, I know teams, it's much different. But does that even surprise you just to see that, like when I wrote it down, it surprised me to think that Hertz is considered at least the third best quarterback in that division.

[Mike Sando]

I know. Top of tier three when he's been a Super Bowl MVP and he's played great in some really big spots. I think the voters see real limitations there in his ability to function consistently as a higher volume passer. That a lot of his passing is built off of go balls and slants. And it's not like it is with Dak Prescott who is really kind of running the show up there at the line of scrimmage. Now in Jalen Hurts defense, they have about a new coordinator every year and so we'll see. Now subtract a new coordinator subtracting A.J. brown. That was obviously a headache, but also an ideal target for him. I put it this way, when people say he's too low, I say if you were the GM or you're an Eagles fan, how excited would you be about signing him to an expensive extension with a raise? And I can't find too many people who really want to do that. And that sort of tells you maybe where this is trending.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

It is. And it has a Super bowl ring. Right. Like was able to do these things, but it is when you separate. That's why I had to write it separate. And looking at it, it's not what you think, but when you reason it, it actually does make sense. It says a lot about Jaden Daniels.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I was going to say also though, if you were to take Jalen Hurts and put him on the commander's team of two years ago. Is he getting that commander's game to the championship game?

[Mike Sando]

Yeah, I don't think so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I don't think. I don't think he's winning. He's not winning games for a team. He's a really good quarterback. I don't think he's winning games for a team.

[Mike Sando]

All right, well, he has the one, you know, in the big game against Kansas City in the Super Bowl. I mean, he was awesome. He was good throwing the ball down the field. I think you're right, though, that I question how long he's going to be there at that price tag. And wow. You know, if you put Jaden Daniels on those Eagles teams the last few years, I think, you know, it'd be a. It'd be an upgrade for them.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Well, the list is how 50 executives and coaches ranked 35 veteran quarterbacks. You can see it on the Athletic. The man, Mike Sando put it all together. Senior writer at the Athletic. And we appreciate your time, Mike. That was great stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you, Mike.

[Mike Sando]

Thank you. Really enjoyed it.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

It's really like, think about it like I wrote it down, Peter. This is your division. This is Don's division.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right, the division of Don, as it's known.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

But in all honesty, because if I said to you Josh Allen, Drake May, Malik Willis and Geno Smith, you're like, yeah, that's about right. Right. Malik Willis and Geno are really like, they're right there neck and neck about what they could be. But Dak and then Jaden Daniels with Jalen Hurts, who feels like the Mora. Like, even if you say with Dak Prescott, stat wise, we know that Dak has put up some numbers. But success wise, wouldn't Jalen Hurts be the most successful quarterback in the division?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Hands down, easily. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not even close.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

But yet third best quarterback in the division according to people who would know which is personnel and coaches if you drop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But doesn't that.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Like, this is not Mike's list, everybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but this is what he was

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

told by people who make decisions like this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But doesn't that. Which by the way, does speak to how strong the tables list, if we're being honest is.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I mean, you were pretty close because we're pretty close.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that's literally just my hunch versus the experts all talking. But. But when I test you watched a lot of all those guys.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I love watching the quarterbacks play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I test. Doesn't. Doesn't it tell you he Is third. Like watching him play the game, doesn't he looks like the third best?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

The funny thing is too, because it's been two years and it's like the absence of it, you kind of forget. You have to remind yourself what Daniels looked like as a rookie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

And by like December, when you're like,

[Peter Rosenberg]

yo, every time you're playing them, you're like, oh God, what's he gonna do? What's he gonna do?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Like, he's good. And then what he did, I'll never forget what he did in Detroit. People forget. That Detroit team was killing everybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Defensively they had killers like that. That was a tough team. And he didn't even flinch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

And the story gets like. And that environment, you remember that Fort field, you remember how loud it was?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like that was. That's his rookie season.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yes. That was an insane environment. And he walked in there and just went toe to toe, just lasers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And now they get. And now they got smacked up by the Eagles. But the Eagles were a much better team besides the ball.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah. The line of scrimmage too. They beat the hell out of you. But that's the thing. So you forget because last year, as you said, was such a fall off year because of the injury and what Mike said. And he's right. What everybody's saying is, is okay, like he's. His availability is something you got to watch. But lastly what he said about Jackson Dart, everybody is literally what we've been talking about. The concern that people have about him is the sustainability of his play. And the Giants understand that. No, we can't have him try to get an extra yard, but we also can't tell him, don't be who you are. So I think that's what these personnel guys and coaches are probably saying. The way he's got to play is the way he's got to play. Problem is, if he keeps taking hits, how long can he play this way? That's a huge part of it. And that's going to be something again to watch this year with the Giants.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show, demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My real summer is next week.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

You actually start your summer.

[Caller or Guest]

That's right.

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll be in the pool.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

So, I mean, lounge. If you don't come back, by the way, with a tan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I'll be tan.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

You better be.

[Caller or Guest]

You better come back a little like me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know if that's reasonable.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

No. Do you burn? What do you do?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it depends if I. I was tan, actually, a few weeks ago, I had a little bit. My problem has become holding the tan. I'm not holding it. It's not, like, lasting. They all catch it for, like, the week that I'm out there, and then, like, I get back for three days and it's kind of gone. I'll. I don't burn. If I do the proper precaution, then I get a nice, nice tan.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But in. As I've gotten older, if I sleep on it, it's bad.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Well, what do you do after, when you get out of the sun? How do you get it to stay set? Oil.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't use oil. I'm rubbing oil myself. Moisturize. Okay, that'll help. Well, does that help?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

It does. That's the most important part.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oil.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not rubbing oil on my body.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

No, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Last week, I made the mistake of,

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

like, right before hot oil, a little wrestling.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, right before.

[Caller or Guest]

There.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's funny you bring that up right before Finn Balor's match at SummerSlam.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I had to ask him a question because I was doing a report. No, no. Allen would fight this. This is for work.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Oh, no, he was working.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was doing a. Not work.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah, come on. It's a job. He was doing this job.

[Caller or Guest]

I don't know the way it sounded. It was like you were talking to him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you're right.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

It did sound like we're friends. We're talking off camera now, so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I went up to him. So I do these reports, and I'm gonna tell you guys the truth. I try. Even though wrestling is the world of pretend.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't like to do a report where I fully am making it up. I like to go to the talent and say, hey, how do you feel about X, Y, and Z? Does this fit what your character is doing? Yeah, I feel like I'm more like in this kind of zone so I can give A report that's at least based on what they are saying their character is.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not the writer. I don't want to make the thing up for you.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah, that's smart.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I asked him, what do you think about going like this? Okay, cool, cool. See you later. Made the mistake of patting him on the forearm.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do not understand how these dudes get in the ring covered in that much slime.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah, it is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It took me 20 minutes SAE 30 to get my fingers like dry. I wiped, I used, I used sanitizer. And it's yo, like I don't know how, like they, how do they, how do they not just drop each other when they touch? Like they're so slick. It's in he. Not everyone's the same. Now Finn, by the way, is chiseled from granite, right? So if you were him, he wears small trunks and he's covered in oil. And I'll be honest, if I looked like him, I'd probably do the same. I mean he's the man is physically perfect.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm just like. So you're telling me if he hits a high cross body on someone that's just all grease all over them? Because Kevin Owens in that match. Kevin Owens ain't greasy.

[Caller or Guest]

No Kevin Owens, but he is after.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He is not greasy.

[Caller or Guest]

Now if Kevin Owens did grease up, I would be like, what are we doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. Yeah, Isn't that funny? So wait, only the muscle bound guys grease up.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I'd have to see like, why. Oh, okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I think only the really muscle bound guys grease up.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah. Because it's a little more like it. It's like when you wax a car, certain cars, you want to see it because you got the lines. You got, the car has a certain curves and lines. So again, put it up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Put a little extra like at the end of Back to the Future a biff put an extra coat of wax on the truck. Marty wants to take it up to the, to the lake for the weekend.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

It's why again, a sports car like has all those lines and stuff. So when you wax it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh yeah, it just. But if you got, but if you got a, like a big old truck that you're just using to get Lincoln

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Continental, it's like, all right, it's shiny, but whatever. Yeah, right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think calling KO The Lincoln Continental here is fair.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

It's fair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Welcome back K.O. god bless him. So happy's back.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

God bless. All right. Speaking of welcome back, Aaron Judge spoke before the game today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, we got some Judges.

[Caller or Guest]

Yes.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

So not only do we have the update from Aaron Boone, if you missed it, he said this, he's been cleared

[Mike Sando]

to start some light activity in his progression back.

[Caller or Guest]

So with that getting outside and doing

[Mike Sando]

some running and some resistance stuff in

[Peter Rosenberg]

the weight room, and that'll roll into

[Mike Sando]

slowly but surely, hopefully, starting baseball activities.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Starting baseball activities slowly but surely, which is good. And anytime I hear him say that he's running, I always think of Forrest Gump running.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was running.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Aaron Judge was asked, now this is the big question, will you be back this season?

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, I'll be back this season. I don't know why I wouldn't be. That was always a plan to come back sooner than later, definitely. But I've never had a thought of not playing this year.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Never had a thought of not playing. I didn't think he would ever think that way. The player is always going to believe he can come back.

[Caller or Guest]

There are worse cuts than that. I tried my best.

Yeah.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

No, well, there's a lot going on there. BP got some music. Does Aaron Judge have a date circled on the calendar where this is when I want to be back?

[Caller or Guest]

No, I got nothing for you on that yet. I just got the scan yesterday, and the minute they said, all right, we're going to start running, I said, okay, I'll see you outside. Kind of forced him on that one. But no, hopefully whenever we get a game, you guys will be somewhere on the list. That I'll let let you guys know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're so funny.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

You guys will be somewhere on the list. Hey, listen, give us those.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don laughs I know what you're looking for, Jacob.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah, you know it's there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what we need in the

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

meantime while he finds it. Is this the first? Because you were the one that kept saying imaging. Why are we waiting? Why can't we have more tests?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, let's take a look already. For God's sake.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

We have the tests. And he said, he just said there was more tests. And after the test, they looked at and they said, you know what? You could begin running. He can start running. That's good. And he said, I'll see you outside. He's ready to go. So what can I do next? Okay, I'm doing it. This is really a very smart thing the Yankees are doing, by the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which part?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Well, disappointing trade deadline and then a disappointing, just absolute brutal loss. And then the next day after that game, it's, hey, we're bringing the kid up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

And then there's the game last night and the Kid follows the script, and now we give you that, and then you know what we're gonna give him today? Let's make Judge available. Right. Positive update on Judge. They might have known this two days ago, right?

[Mike Sando]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And didn't even think it was that positive, but, like, relative.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Let's keep this in the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Somewhat positive.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Keep this in the pocket for a second. Let's keep this in the pocket. Stretch this out a little more. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not a bad idea.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

And so this makes sense. And so for Judge, always plan on coming back. Not a surprise. And the minute they told him, you know what, you can start doing some light running. Let's. I'll see you outside. Let's go. Right. And then when all the reporters thought it was the reporters, he said, you know, the target date. Yeah, this is really what it was.

[Caller or Guest]

I got nothing for you on that yet. I just got the scan yesterday. And the minute they said, all right, we're gonna start running, I said, okay, I'll see you outside of forced him on that one. But no, hopefully, whenever we get a game 10, you guys will be somewhere on the list. So I'll let.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let you guys. It's done at his best. It's truly done at his best.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

You guys will be somewhere on the list. You guys will be somewhere in the list. Like, hey, we're at the very top of that list.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God, that was good. You met. By the way, you missed some vintage Don last week.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

What was last week?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Last week you missed some vintage. Vintage Don. He.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I'm really curious, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was really. He was really adamant about hating nicknames.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Wait, what was that about?

[Mike Sando]

He just.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

So what is it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because what he does for the nickname,

[Caller or Guest]

Remember we played that game started with ag. He doesn't like calling him.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I heard Harbs. I agreed with the Ag. Ag thing. I remember hearing that because he said he didn't earn it right. He's like, can you win a game?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm like, but he's probably had that nickname since he was a player.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

He's been AG. Since the 90s, he's been AG. He's always been AG.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now Harbs is a bit of a reach. I'll be. I'll be.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I think Harbs has been Harbs for years.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't know that. You never heard Harbs.

[Caller or Guest]

I'm gonna ask Bart in Baltimore. He has. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You sure?

[Caller or Guest]

There was a quote from a guy last week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I told you another guy called him Harb.

[Caller or Guest]

Yes. And a person within the Giants Asked a Ravens player what they can expect from practice, and they said, Harbs is going to work them hard.

There you go.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Well, by the way, can we work him hard?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can we agree it's still not a good sounding nickname?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

No, let's just agree with that.

[Caller or Guest]

That's fine. Yeah, that's fine.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

But that's. Again, they shorten everything, as you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But Don's very.

[Caller or Guest]

Don, like, wants to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don's offended.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah. But Don's take on AG was that he didn't earn it and that it's not that hard to just say Aaron Glenn. It's two syllables.

[Caller or Guest]

You.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the rich, by the way, that's not how nicknames work.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

His whole thing, that nickname is only about shortening the name. Like, that's not what a nickname is really for.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's an endearment.

[Rich Eisen]

It's.

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It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a way to just be.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah. It's to show that we're not formal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's it.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Like. Yeah, I love harps. It's great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Donnie Pucks.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Right. Rosie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We love Rosie. We love Donnie. But he was very. He was. Would not back off of the nickname thing.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

How do you feel?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm good. Listen, sometimes. No, no. I'm. I.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Well, does it like. Like when Boone does this? Okay. Remember we played that game?

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, yeah.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

What's he going to call this guy? So I'm curious, like, Ramos, what's he gonna call him? Is he calling a Healey?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do I think. Do I think Boone goes a little far with the next.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

He really. He has fun with it.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah, but the one. He. Who.

Who is the.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

It's like. Like, you can't. Like, what are you doing with. With.

[Caller or Guest]

Like we did. I think Ryan Weathers and his name, Stormy. And Don. That was the one that Don loved.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So Don loves Stormy because he thought it was creative. He said, you know what?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

He must also have known that. I don't think he made that one up. Who had to have been a thing he didn't know. Stormy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who made it up? Boone.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

You think Boone made that up? Or do you think that's just something that everyone's always called him? Everyone's always called.

[Caller or Guest]

Who's coming up with Stormy in that locker room.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Well, I don't know now. Locker room.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't see anyone who's capable of storming. That is a good one, though.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Stormy. Why is that familiar?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Kylie and Travis have a kid named Stormy.

[Caller or Guest]

No, that's right.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I'm not saying that's wrong. I'M just saying that's not what that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What you remember Stormy Daniels?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Why does that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that might be a porn star who the president had an affair.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah, there it is. Don't know if that's the nickname I would want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It took hell of a second.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

A minute. You know I'm not in that world.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not in that world.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Why would Stormy be like a notorious nickname?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Stormy. That's a big one. I feel like.

[Caller or Guest]

Isn't there an NHL ringside reporter for ESPN named Stormy?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Stormy?

[WNBA Advertiser]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I thought.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I thought there was a mascot named Stormy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It sounds more like a mascot.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

That's not the Carolina Hurricanes mascot.

[Caller or Guest]

No Stormy. No Stormy. Norman.

Well, yeah, you're right too. Carolina Hurricanes is Stormy.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Stormy. Okay, good call. How about that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then there's a reporter. There's a Stormy reporter too.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah. She's done games with. She did games with Bob.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And don't forget we love Bob. And don't forget if you want to go back to the golf wall. Golf War.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Golf war.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Storm and Dorman Schwarzkopf.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

There's that too. But what about Storm Field? Frankfield's son Meteorology. Oh yeah. Locally.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Storm Field's a good hell of a name.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I mean he kidding me?

[Don Hahn]

Of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Put you right in the game.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Put you right in the game. How do you get the job? Look at his name. When do we think Judge let's come up with a date because he said there's no date targeted right now. But he intends on coming back if he's right now starting to run outside as they said and doing some things that will eventually slowly lead him up to baseball activities. What's the target date for Aaron judge? Anthony had September 13th as the over under.

[Caller or Guest]

That's actually the Mets subway series weekend too, by the way.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

Yeah, it's not going to happen. Maybe it would.

[Caller or Guest]

Minnesota. September 14th.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

That's what he's going And Malik Neighbors will be in uniform the day before.

[Caller or Guest]

I've already played.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

I'll be good and you'll win your bet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now there's no bet for that anywhere, is there?

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

No but if they're.

[Caller or Guest]

I'm sure I'm one of the prediction market. You could probably do something with that. Probably not on like the the draftkings of it all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Got it.

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

So if there's. All right. So 800-919-3776 if there is a date that you want to circle. He's not circling one yet but he said once I have it I'll let you know. Is there a date that you have that you're like, it's got to be by this day. What is it?

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the

[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.

[Don Hahn]

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[Host/Interviewer (likely Don Hahn or co-host)]

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