Hour 3: Monica McNutt & Guidry on George

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg

Episode - Hour 3: Monica McNutt & Guidry on George
Date: February 25, 2026
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, Don La Greca
Guests: Monica McNutt

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Episode Overview

This episode features the regular Wednesday segment with Monica McNutt, focusing on the New York Knicks' latest struggles, team chemistry issues, and broader questions about NBA team culture and coaching philosophies. The hosts also delve into a lively discussion about the current New York Yankees culture versus the era of George Steinbrenner, reflecting on leadership styles in modern sports. The tone balances critical sports analysis with banter, pop culture references, and signature New York humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pop Culture & Movie Homework (00:41–05:38)

• Wayne’s World Challenge:
  The show kicks off with friendly teasing of Monica for not knowing the “Wayne’s World” movie reference.
  • Monica: "I was three. No, thanks." (01:41)
  • Monica agrees to watch Wayne’s World and provide her own review next week, in exchange for suggesting movies to the hosts to better understand her perspective.
  • Discussion Point:
    Cultural exchanges—what films or media helped shape each personality on the show.

2. Knicks' Recent Performance & Team Dynamics (07:24–21:07)

• Unpacking Last Night’s Loss:
  The Knicks suffered an embarrassing defeat leading to calls for a possible “team meeting” and soul-searching about the team's chemistry and focus.

  • Alan: "If I was still a beat writer... I would politely raise my hand and I would say, Mike, what the hell was that?" (07:09)
  • Monica: "It is clearly necessary at this point because... I have been marinating on this since post game last night." (07:24)
  • Monica narrates a humorous incident with her hotel bathroom overflowing with bubbles—quickly turned into a running joke.

• Drop Madness & Monica’s “Bathroom” Quote:
  The hosts joke about Monica possibly entering the annual “Drop Madness” (a competition of funny show soundbites) with out-of-context bathroom comments.

  • Monica: “The hilarious picture of what happened in my bathroom. It actually smelled great, but it was quite a scene.” (21:14)
  • Monica: “I sent you a picture of my toilet, by the way.” (21:40)

• Knicks’ Consistency and Leadership:
  The team’s inconsistent performance sparks debate—lack of focus vs. deeper chemistry issues.

  • Don: "Is that just them... taking nights off?... Or is there something about their game that you should be concerned about?" (09:56)
  • Monica: "That's the thing, Don. I do not think that yesterday was about playing with your food... this, to me, is a reflection top to bottom. That's players, that's coaching staff." (10:21)
  • The group discusses how other teams like Detroit and Cleveland have clearer hierarchies and unity, in contrast with the Knicks’ confusion.

• Player Utilization and Coaching Philosophy:
  Examples of poor shot distribution and questionable lineups highlight preparation issues. (13:30–14:24)

  • Alan: "We don't see another shot until the second half and we only see one more shot the rest of the game. I can't say that's on one person." (13:19)
  • Monica: "I agree with you. Top to bottom, both on the floor and both part of the teams in terms of preparing for that game. Like, everybody was off. It was bad." (13:30)

• Celtics & Eastern Conference Picture:
  The dominance and clarity in roles on the Celtics are contrasted with the Knicks:

  • Monica: "The Celtics, the Pistons—how good they are only shines a light on the shortcomings of the Knicks right now." (15:07)

3. Coaching Styles: Thibodeau vs. Mike Brown (17:10–20:58)

• Speculation on whether the change from a “hard-driving” head coach (like Tom Thibodeau) to a more relaxed Mike Brown has impacted the Knicks’ approach and urgency.
  • Alan: "Maybe Mike Brown is eased back... I can't throttle down now. I've got to push those buttons later in the year."
  • Monica: "I do think as I’m continuing my way in covering the NBA, the assumption of veteran poise is not always safe." (19:02)
  • Dialogue about rhythm and preparation post-All-Star break; possible team need for stricter discipline.

4. Yankee Culture: Ron Guidry and the Steinbrenner Era (27:23–41:35)

• Ron Guidry’s “If George Were Alive” Quote:
  Discussing legendary owner George Steinbrenner’s combative style vs. the current Yankees' softer, more player-friendly approach.

  • Alan: "There is a much different, kinder, gentler Yankee approach, which is why they wanted Boone, not Girardi."
  • Don: "If that was the way George treated Judge, does he sign with San Francisco?"
    (Re: The pressure Steinbrenner would have heaped on star players, and whether that would work in today’s era.)
  • Consensus: While old-school pressure brought results, it likely wouldn’t fly today. Owners now avoid public criticism for fear of alienating players.

• The Evolution of Sports Criticism:
  The hosts reflect on past media experiences: abusive faxes, newsroom calls, and how social media has shifted the dialogue.

  • Don: "Anybody thinks that, like, people are meaner now than they were back then. No, they have the outlet. Social media." (37:45)
  • Peter: "You can still get a big microphone on social media and scream at the world. That is why I resent social media so much." (39:01)

5. Listener Calls & Music Tangents (44:27–49:29)

• Lighthearted musical nostalgia as the hosts discuss Foo-Schnickens, Roy Orbison, and passing down music knowledge within families.
• A caller, Richie from Huntington, brings up Knicks playoff scenarios, suggesting optimism is still warranted.
  • Plans are made to play the “win-loss” game for the final 23 Knicks games on a future episode.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Monica (on Knicks’ confusion):
  "Last night was a confused performance that does not bode well to move forward." (12:34)

• Peter (on social media):
  "Now you can not have enough drive to do any of that, not do any of the work. And if you're provocative enough... still get a pretty big microphone on social media and scream at the world." (39:01)

• Don (on coaching styles past and present):
  "I don't think players liked being treated that way back in the day. But if you wanted to win, and the Yankees were winning, all right, I'll live with it." (32:16)

• Monica (on film homework):
  "I will watch you guys this movie because I'm expanding my palate... and I don't want to hear your opinions because it'll be my take." (03:01)

• Drop Madness Moment:
  "I sent you a picture of my toilet, by the way." (21:40)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:41–05:38
  Movie banter, “Wayne’s World” challenge, pop culture and generational differences.
• 07:24–21:07
  Knicks’ road trip, chemistry issues, Monica’s bathroom story, Drop Madness soundbite.
• 21:07–21:53
  Drop Madness highlights with Monica’s “bathroom” quotes.
• 27:23–41:35
  Ron Guidry’s Steinbrenner comments, Yankees culture, evolution of sports criticism.
• 44:27–49:29
  Listener call: Knicks’ chances, “win-loss” record game preview; music tangents.

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Takeaways for Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• Knicks Conversation:
  The team is at a crossroads, struggling with chemistry and clarity, and in need of both a leadership reset and perhaps a “team meeting.” Monica McNutt and the hosts deliver honest assessments but still see opportunity for a turnaround with 23 games remaining.

• Yankees Reflection:
  The legacy of George Steinbrenner continues to inform fan expectations, but the hosts collectively agree that the old iron-fisted management style is incompatible with today’s athlete-driven, emotionally intelligent sports culture.

• Signature Humor:
  The hour sparkles with in-jokes (Drop Madness), playful “homework” (film review exchanges), and a deep appreciation for both sports history and pop culture.

  • Monica’s “I sent you a picture of my toilet” is a must-hear moment for show loyalists! (21:40)

• Broad Cultural Reflection:
  From the evolution of coaching and ownership in pro sports to how media and fan voices have shifted in the social media age, this episode provides both laughter and real talk about how New York sports—and sports media—have changed.

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Next up:

• Monica’s review of Wayne’s World
• The “win-loss” Knicks game with 23 left in the season
• More Drop Madness contenders

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Transcript

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Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New

[A]

York app, and your smart speakers. 503 in the big city with Don Lagreca and Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Hahn. 800-919-3776 is the number. We'll get back to your calls. But it's Wednesday. We love talking with Monica McNutt each week. And she joins us right now. We are touchdown on the next city on this Knicks road trip. Correct.

[B]

Correct. The beautiful city of Milwaukee.

[C]

Ah, Milliwauke.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What does that mean, Don?

[D]

Algonquin for the good land. That's right.

[B]

Oh, okay, now, wait.

[A]

Now, Monica, if you could name the movie.

[C]

She doesn't know. She obviously doesn't know.

[B]

Clueless. Completely clueless.

[C]

No. Oh, no.

[A]

I thought I was gonna guess clueless.

[D]

Food, dinner.

[C]

Yeah, I thought you meant.

[B]

No, no, no. Not guessing. Clueless. I am clueless.

[C]

It's the right era. Actually, Clueless is close in era. Yeah, no, it would be the. The. The wonderful early 90s hit. 1991, I believe. Or maybe 92. Wayne's.

[A]

Wayne's World. Yeah.

[B]

Yep. I was three. No, thanks.

[C]

No, no, no, no.

[D]

You know that.

[A]

Could we get Monica to watch Wayne's World before Damian Woody watches? Napoleon died.

[C]

Well, I'll say this. Damian Woody always just says, guys, I really want to see it. I haven't had time. She just said I was three. No, thanks.

[D]

So I.

[C]

She's. She's out altogether just on that. She.

[D]

Neither would say we can't even create

[A]

a competition for her. She's very competitive.

[D]

She.

[A]

If we say. If you watch that before. D. Wood watches what we asked him three months ago to watch, she gets a prize.

[C]

Have you seen Napoleon Dynamite, Monica?

[B]

I have seen Napoleon Dynamite because we were all in, like, high school. Ish. When Napoleon Dynamite was a thing.

[C]

All right, all right. Yeah, but, you know. Yeah, I mean, honestly. Yeah, but of course she saw I knew she was gonna say yes because it's right in her era.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, it's in my wheelhouse.

[C]

But you'll like, you'll like Wayne's World. You're aware of what the sketch is though, right?

[B]

Listen, I. I'm not. Help me.

[C]

You don't even know the sketch. Wayne's World.

[B]

No. Wait, do I.

[C]

Is it Mike Myers?

[A]

Party on, Wayne. Party on.

[B]

Garth with the hat, the crazy hair and the.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes. You know.

[B]

Yeah, okay.

[A]

Yeah, schwing.

[B]

You know, all that. Course, you know, here's. I will watch you guys this movie because I'm expanding my palate.

[C]

I love this.

[A]

Terrible.

[B]

I am getting my entire takeoff next week. And I don't want to hear your opinions because it'll be my take.

[C]

Now that's. That is a really compelling thing. And the interesting thing about Wayne's World is, is. It's very. It is a timepiece in a lot of ways.

[A]

Great point.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Relatable? Not.

[C]

I just. I don't know.

[A]

Nah, nah.

[C]

It may seem. Although I think if you really lock in and like you and your husband sit down on like a Friday night, like, let's do this. Although I'm curious whether he's seen it. But if you guys really sit down and give it a shot, have a glass of wine or whatever you like to do to relax on the weekend, I recommend that as well. I wonder whether she'd like it or not because it is such a period piece.

[A]

I actually think Monica will understand me a lot better. She's like, oh, that's why you're like this.

[C]

Yeah. Just so you know. Just so you know, for the record, Monica, it's truly aimed age wise, like at me. I was 13 when it came out. Like Al was already. Alan and Dom were already in their 20s. This was a movie aimed at teenagers.

[A]

19, 20. Yeah, like this was.

[C]

This was a. It's a. It's a. It's a 12 to 16 year old kind of movie, but it's pretty damn good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What it has going for it, I will add, is that most of the movies that I was like, too young to actually watch but are considered notables from the 90s I have enjoyed in hindsight. Now I will. I'm venturing to say that this is not a black movie though. So that's like a different element.

[C]

In fact, I'm trying to think if anyone.

[A]

Is there even one.

[C]

Well, Tia Carrera is, is Asian gorgeous. She is not black, though. Is there a Black character in the film. Oh, no.

[A]

He got excited for me.

[C]

I thought there was.

[B]

I thought, let him be a janitor.

[C]

No, no. Well, Chris Farley plays a security guard. You'll be excited to see him. But he's not black.

[A]

He's not black.

[C]

Okay. Yeah, he is heavyset. Doesn't count.

[B]

I like this guy. I think this should be part of our.

[C]

The good land, right?

[A]

I like it because, Monica, if you have a movie, because you. You play this game with Tyler all the time, which I absolutely love, is that if you have some homework for us and you're like, fellas, you need to see this, and that will help you understand me better, then I'm all about the homework.

[B]

Okay, I'm into this now. I will say that I have decided that 2026. I literally just decided two hours ago, because I finished a book about Toni Morrison's editorship, that most of my free time is going to go to reading her books that she wrote and her edited and edited. But I will add this movie wrinkle in because I like this.

[C]

I didn't know that Toni Morrison as an editor was a thing.

[B]

She incredible. Like, the book I just finished today is called Tony at Random by Dana Williams. I wanted to finish it in January. I didn't get to it, but. No, I didn't either, to be fair. But it was really good and really compelling. Like, she edited Muhammad ali's big whatever, 900 page book thing. Like, she was on that team. Like, she was great. She did a bunch of stuff.

[C]

I did not know that.

[A]

See?

[C]

And now and then I want to see. I want to see film recommendations. Because then what we could get into, which is great, is classic black films that she recommends that maybe I've seen, maybe Alan seen. And Don, definitely no chance. That's. That could be fun.

[D]

Trying to paint me as just here

[B]

for us, you know, sharing our culture.

[C]

I love this. I'm happy.

[A]

That's what I like. That we. We all bring different.

[C]

I want Don's review of the Best man next week. You know what I mean? That's what I'm talking about.

[B]

It's a great movie, Don. It really is.

[D]

You'll enjoy it.

[C]

You really will. Donnie, you into Morris Chestnut.

[A]

But where?

[D]

I can't say I am.

[C]

Oh, yes, you are.

[D]

You remember more of a Sidney Poitier guy.

[C]

Oh, my God, that's not true. You love Morris Chestnut. We've been talking about that conversation.

[A]

Done. About how why did he run straight?

[C]

It's a bully.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Zigzag. Anyways, all of this, Monica, is to avoid talking about the topic that, yeah, nobody wants to talk about, which is frustrating. The question. Like if I was still a beat writer and the last night happened that I was sitting there waiting for Mike Brown and then it was time to ask a question, I would politely raise my hand and I would say, mike, what the hell was that? Like I would ask each player, the first question would be, jalen, what the hell was that? So Monica, what the hell was that last night?

[B]

Well, okay, let's be beat writers together as we continue this creative way of navigating today's conversation. After you ask that, my follow up question is going to be when is the team meeting? Because what like when is the meeting that we're not supposed to know about? Just let me know that it's going to happen and I'll write about it in an eloquent fashion. But it is clearly necessary at this point because what I think guys, I don't know. I don't know. I have been marinating on this since post game last night. I have to send you the hilarious picture of what happened in my bathroom. It's actually smelled great. But it was quite a scene I had never experienced in a hotel before.

[A]

Do you understand you're on radio and the word you used was what happened in my bathroom? And it smelled great? Yeah.

[C]

That's interesting.

[B]

So let me give you a little context and I'm gonna go back to the question on last night. I'm on the phone with my husband.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

I'm like, all right, good night. Go to bed. I get up to go to the restroom in my bathroom and it is overflowed with bubbles and like shampoo or something like all over my floor coming out of my toilet. But I was like, what?

[A]

What?

[B]

So somebody in the hotel got a little shampoo crazy according to the engineer. And so I had to move my room at 2:00 in the morning.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Wait, you think Monica found her way to Drop Madness with what she said?

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

How soon could we. Is it possible to hear it back before we get her off the air?

[A]

I think it's possible, yeah. Monica, you, you might, you might have made. Well, this. There's a tournament every year in March. Some people call it March Madness. It's back basketball. But there's something bigger. It's called Drop map.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's just drops. And you know what drops are?

[C]

It's just things that are things mishaps from the radio show that compete in a tournament. Like for example, earlier today, I'm going to play for you right now. Your. Your broadcast buddy Allen slipped into a Southern accent and almost a song. It sounded like this when talking about

[A]

the Knicks out five games on the road.

[C]

Did you hear that?

[A]

See, I don't think she hears it.

[C]

Did you hear it or no?

[B]

No, I heard five games on the

[E]

road, but you didn't hear.

[C]

But listen. Listen how he says on the road.

[A]

Listen, five games on the road. Do the other one that I did the other day. That's the one that she's going to say, what is wrong with you? If he was that bad.

[C]

Oh, oh, yeah. It's worrisome.

[A]

I don't know what happened. I work.

[B]

That's a unique a.

[A]

It really is.

[D]

You're concerned about it.

[B]

Definitely a regional dialect.

[C]

I didn't know it was a Long island dialect, but whatever.

[A]

It certainly is not. It might be another island, but not Long island, that's for sure.

[B]

Okay, well, I'm honored to have found my way in the tournament.

[D]

It's. It's awesome now that the Knicks are trying to find their way into the tournament and at least get to the. To the finals, but they're just wildly inconsistent. Monica. And is that just them? Peter came up with a great phrase, playing with your food. Like, just not taking certain games seriously, taking nights off. Is that the consistency, or is there something about their game that you should be concerned about?

[C]

What?

[D]

Why they're so wildly inconsistent.

[B]

That's the thing, Don. I do not think that yesterday was about playing with your food. How could it be after you got embarrassed last week against the team that's in front of you in the standings for the third time this season, and you're rolling into the team that's on your heels. Like, how could it be for a lack of focus? Right? I think the latter part of what you said is probably true. And quite frankly, this, to me is a reflection top to bottom. That's players, that's coaching staff. That's the entire operation needing to overhaul and back up what the owner said to end 2025 in that we have enough. Because right now, even if you on paper combined, you're looking at, what do you got? You had two all Stars this past season. You've got all NBA caliber guys. Like, you've got guys that are respected, even though they may not have. May not have been award winners in the league, but they're respected for their hustle and their grit and the intangible, all of these things. If I looked at it on paper, it makes no sense and so I will not. While these are professional athletes, I'm not going to exclude them from the human experience of just losing focus. Right? But top to bottom, you got to get it right. Because this is a performance industry. I do not think it is about the physical abilities. There is something wonky happening in terms of this team's ability to focus and pull for one another. The thing to me, besides the beating, the losses rather to Detroit and Cleveland, the thing to me that stands out is watching teams on the other end that are playing and celebrating with each other every single play. There is no confusion about how things go in Detroit, whether it's to their benefit or it will be their demise. Kate Cunningham is their number one and everybody else will get behind him and play defense.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Even now in Cleveland with the addition of James Harden. Okay, cool. Donovan's still the guy, but James Harden is going to create gravity on the floor. That's going to open it up for our big guy, Jared Allen, who as of late has been unlocked. There's no confusion about that. And so even with the case last night, Kenny Atkinson is talking about Jaylon Tyson being pulled from the starting lineup, blah, blah, blah. That kid still gets out there and goes hard, plays hard, doesn't complain about his new role. I thought yesterday, top to bottom, looks confused by literally, guys, I never do this. I wrote down most of the lineups. I stopped doing it but halfway through third quarter because I was over it. But I'm looking like, what kind of combinations are these? Top down. Last night was a confused performance that does not bode well to move forward.

[A]

And the other part, Monica, that I, we were, you know, we all did the first segment of the pregame show when you joined us and so you heard us and we were talking with you and all of us are trying to figure it out. It was after a weekend that Carl Anthony Towns had where it felt like, is he starting to figure it out? Did something click? Did something happen? Because that was the first time you saw in back to back games, especially in crunch time in Chicago where you said, okay, there's the guy that they need. Shaq told them, you've got to dominate every night. You've got to carry. You've got to have that attitude to dominate every night. And then last night, four for four, first quarter, okay, he's off to a good start. Some guys are struggling, but he's still got it going. And then we don't see another shot until the second half and we only see one more shot the rest of the game. I can't say that's on one person. I feel like that's on multiple people. Do you agree or disagree?

[B]

I agree with you. No, that's what I'm saying. Top to bottom, both on the floor and both part of the teams in terms of preparing for that game. Like, everybody was off. It was bad. Now, again, I don't want to get stuck because you still got 23 games to go or whatever it is, but it should be a stake in the ground, a seminal moment, if you will, for. We need to get this thing right before it's too far gone. The Eastern Conference is not the given that I think folks thought it was when we came into this season. This team right now has not demonstrated that I can be confident in them falling into a 44 seed and still getting back to the conference finals. Like, I'm just not confident in that. And so in order for this thing to get turned around, the first step one is identifying the issues. Now, I'm not sure if they are just personality courts, guys trying to get their numbers off. I don't know what it is, but whatever it is is not working and needs to be fixed immediately, you know?

[C]

And how much do you think the Celtics are a factor in how we view. I know I keep bringing this up, guys, but I think it's worth note. I mean, this is a. With the rumors that Jayson Tatum comes back. But even if Tatum doesn't come back, you're talking about a coach of the year, at least conversation, an mvp, at least conversation around Jaylen Brown and a team that has zero pressure and is playing so well. Do you think the Celtics have overall just changed what this conference was supposed to be?

[B]

Yes. And I give the Celtics a ton of credit. Now, I will say this. I was. I remember saying this in the off season with Melo and the guys being like, I don't know why people think the Celtics are going to be bad. They still have a core. They still got David Brown. They still got a coach. Are they better than even I thought they would be?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But again, it's a very clear hierarchy rolling in Boston in terms of who does what. And so I think a little therapy moment. My therapist says clear communication is love. Right. Like, that is how you move forward with everyone knowing exactly what they're supposed to do. Now, the second part of that obviously becomes acceptance. But yes, the Celtics, the how good both the Celtics and the Pistons are only shines a light on the shortcomings of the Knicks right now.

[D]

So what's more likely in your mind, they finish with the two seed or the four.

[B]

Yikes. Oh, Don, I don't. I'm not today. I'm not feeling great about a 2. I will be cancer.

[C]

Because.

[B]

Right. We talked about this last week. You get ready to hit the road. That's no joke. Then what is? The two home games you got over the stretch are San Antonio and Oklahoma City. San Antonio looks worlds different from what you saw in Vegas. And quite frankly, you're looking at Vegas like, was that a good night or is there a system in place that is effective for these Knicks because the system has failed them in the games that have mattered since then. So I don't know now what you still hold out hope, I think is you want to believe that you'll still be able to lean on experience come the postseason and the shortcomings of some of these other teams in terms of the absence of depth. But we all know, like we've covered sports and frankly, entertainment, anything, right. How often do you have a conversation about how talent gets. Laps will be run around talent if it is up against someone who works harder. And right now, as I.

[A]

Hard work always beats talent.

[B]

Yeah, right. Like, as I look at these teams that the Knicks are vying for position against, like the mental piece of the hard work, I don't know exactly what they're doing in the gym, but the mental piece and the commitment to their systems is far more clear and urgent than what we've seen from the Knicks in big games.

[A]

And with that, there's something that we discussed at the very beginning of the show, a point that Peter brought up because you can't escape the idea that this, this team, you know, went on a run last year, that we have seen them at times play really well. The core of this group, they made a coaching change last year, the years before they had a hard driving coach where every game mattered. We play for tonight, we don't worry about tomorrow, whether it's a back to back, you know, road trip, tired, doesn't matter. We're. We play for tonight. That's how Tom Thibodeau coached the team, drove them. Mike Brown seems to have a different philosophy where. And could that sort of be this, that, you know, the hard driving coach is gone and maybe Mike Brown is eased back in the middle of the regular season thinking, I can't throttle down now. I've got a way to live. This is a veteran team, I gotta push those buttons later in the year. I'm trying to find the optimistic take on this, but is it as simple as maybe just a difference in philosophy. And that's what we're seeing. Yeah, I don't like it either. I best I could do.

[B]

I sent you a picture of my toilet, by the way.

[C]

Sorry.

[B]

Okay, Wait.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Okay, focus.

[A]

Oh, my God. That is.

[B]

Isn't it crazy? That is.

[C]

Wow. It almost looks romantic.

[B]

I told you guys it was nuts. So I was actually talking to my husband about this last night, who's also on basketball, and he's like, this is classic. Year after Tibbs. He's like, I was in Chicago, Like, I remember dudes immediately after Tibbs was gone complaining about how soft Fred hoiberg was. And like, same thing in Minnesota. Like, Saunders comes in, like, this is not regimented. This is not the one thing that I will say I remember. Was it after. It was in the post season, the Philly win? Isaiah Harnstein actually gets the block that I think people forgot was a part of finishing that win, because you get the crazy shots with Diva Chenzo and all that. But I remember that post game so vividly because Isaiah said we knew what the play was. Tibbs does a great job of preparing us. That is not a compliment that I have heard. I don't know if that means it is or is not happening, but in such a pivotal moment, that was sort of a theme that we had heard under Tibbs. Be that as it may, here you are right? And so I think it is maybe not wise to assume just because you have a veteran group that they don't need to be pushed. I love our guys. I think they are great men, great dads, fiances, husbands, the whole bit. Friends, like, I love it. But I do think as I'm continuing my way in covering the NBA, the assumption of veteran poise is not always safe. Right. Like, you've been around, like, some guys are supremely talented, some guys have worked their butt off, and that is who they are. And so I think we probably are looking at a combination of that. The more I think about it, I'm wondering if they lost, took one too many days off over the All Star break. And they are very much a team that needs to stay in rhythm, and we're still trying to rev it back up to that old rhythm. There's a lot of things at play here, but I definitely think with every coach, there are the things that you admire about them, and they're the things that become their challenges. And so here we are, the decision to make a new coach the rest of the way. And this is where you lean on the experience of Mike Brown in terms of being a part of organizations that play deep into June. Okay. I fully see who these guys are. It is now time to kick it up a notch. Like let's go.

[A]

Go.

[B]

Because you need to be peaking to play your best basketball by the time April 18th rolls around when the playoffs start.

[A]

Well, lucky for you, you get two days off in Milwaukee. How about that? And unlucky for them.

[B]

I can't wait.

[A]

You have son.

[C]

That's nice.

[A]

Unlucky for them. You know, one of these days is going to be a tough practice. Clearly after a game like that. So we'll see what the results and.

[C]

And before we let you go, Monica, here is the potential drop for drop madness for Monica earlier. Let's see how it came out.

[A]

Here we go.

[B]

Okay. The hilarious picture of what happened in my bathroom. It actually smelled great, but it was quite a scene.

[C]

That is.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Slightly trouble.

[A]

That is. That's one out of context. That is. That could.

[B]

Context.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Winner.

[A]

That could be a sneaky. Sneaky.

[C]

It's gonna get surpassed by what she said later in the call.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Because. Yeah, I think she said, I'm gonna send you a picture of my bathroom.

[A]

Here we go.

[B]

I sent you a picture of my toilet, by the way.

[C]

No, there it is. That's the winner of the two. That's the cleaner.

[B]

I sent you a picture of my toilet, by the way.

[A]

Yeah, that's it.

[D]

That.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's.

[C]

That's the one.

[A]

Monica, good luck in drop madness.

[C]

So funny.

[B]

Thanks, guys.

[A]

We appreciate you later.

[D]

That's a very late entry.

[A]

Enjoy.

[D]

Wayne madness is just weeks away.

[B]

Yeah, I got my review on Wayne's world.

[A]

All right.

[C]

All right. Next week.

[D]

I have confidence she's got some travel. Like, I don't think she'll watch it with her husband on a Friday night. Doubtful she'll watch it, you know, coming back from Milwaukee or.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Trip.

[C]

Yeah, I think she'll like it. I do. And I think you guys would love a trip to the NBA finals.

[A]

Yeah.

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[A]

All right, Donnie, so we've talked about this off the air for a couple of days now and we've been waiting for, you know, a good opportunity to do it. I think now is the best time and this is, of course, something we hear a lot from Yankee fans of a certain age, a certain vintage. Sure. I think I'm in that generation that does a lot of this. If George were alive. Right. None of this would happen. Well, Ron Guidry did that. He had an interview with Bob Clappich, I believe, and I call him the Clap. The Clap, which I don't think he likes, but we'll call him.

[D]

Why would he.

[A]

Would you.

[C]

It's powerful.

[A]

How about the Clapper?

[C]

Clap Off?

[A]

Yeah, the Clapper, right. It's a hockey nickname. Anyway, so in the column that he wrote, in this interview with Guidry, the quotes are basically, George would have found a way to match the Dodgers. Whatever they did. He would have done better if they signed one star. George would have signed two. He would have tries his. Tried his best to stop what's going on. And then he also said something that this. Because that part is what fans say and all that stuff. And, you know, it's easy to say when it's not your money, because the money's different. As Don has pointed out many times, it's different money than it was in the 70s and even in the 90s. But this is the part that caught my attention, fellas, because what's different around the Yankees now that George isn't around one way or another? He said you'd be looking for the newspaper every morning to see what George had to say today. It's a really. It's really calm, meaning. In the clubhouse when I was playing, there was always tension. Guys were always looking over their shoulders like, what's next? He said, it's actually boring this way. The players today don't have to deal with the tension. They've never experienced that. But George knew what he was doing. He'd wait to see if you'd stand up to him, because if you had the guts to do that, then he knew you weren't afraid of anyone. That's the kind of player he wanted on his team, end quote. So let's do away with the heat over. He'd outspend the Dodgers part, because I think that's. We know that might not be true.

[D]

Right. Or might not be able to.

[A]

That's what I mean. Because, again, it's just different money we're talking about. But the second part, I kind of think he's onto something here. There is a much different, kinder, gentler Yankee approach, which is why they wanted Boone, not Girardi, which is what Cashman's about. No negative publicity. No one says anything Negative about players we don't criticize or condemn. Right. Judge is very much like that too in his approach. And here's the question. Is that part of the problem here? Is it maybe because there isn't a sense of urgency, a real one, not the typical athletes, of course we want to win. I. We all know you want to win. But is there a pressure to win the way it was and what worked for many years, the right years anyway, when George was the owner. Am I crazy to say at least there might be something to this theory?

[D]

Oh, there's definitely something to it. But I think it's strategic because I didn't ask you this when we talked about it. So I'll be interested to hear your answer and Peter's answer too. Sure. If you remember the old George, he was very, very critical of players. Don't you think he might have had something to say to the newspapers about judges struggles in the postseason?

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Especially around contract time?

[A]

Yes.

[D]

And don't you think he probably would put a lot of pressure on to be better in the postseason? Maybe he'd make comments like well, maybe if 99 hit some home runs we would have won that series.

[A]

You mean Mr. May as he once referenced Dave Winfield.

[D]

Exactly. So I ask you this question. If that was the way George treated Judge, does he sign with San Francisco?

[A]

Great question. That's why I think it's fair to say that what we're learning here, because it's a great point you make up make here because maybe this is now the moment that the generation of Yankees fans who keep saying if George were alive have to realize that if George were alive it wouldn't work today. That that was a bygone era. Sparky Anderson, Earl Weaver, Billy Martin, you can't, you can't manage that way. You can't coach that way. And players today don't accept that, that type of treatment, it doesn't work anymore. Well, and that's. It's just reality now. It's reality.

[D]

I don't think players liked being treated that way back in the day. But if you wanted to win and the Yankees were winning, you'd like. All right, listen, I'll, I'll live with it. But I think one of the reasons Hal, who was around during that time, that was his dad. Yeah, he was around. The team probably looked at and go, we've got to change our ways here because we can't be as heavy handed because of revenue sharing. There are other teams that can spend money. It's already an inordinate amount of pressure to play in New York with all the media and all the scrutiny and the history, I don't want to apply the screws even more and make these players not want to play here. And when you look at the way players are now, where they have their own podcast where they can make the statements they want, you think they're going to want to hear an owner calling you Mr. May, calling you a bum, saying, you need to be better? Like, the fans love that because they're thinking the same thing. That's why they love George so much. But you think these players would stand for that?

[A]

No. No. Again, I do think it's different. There was a time, Don, again, you and I are closer in age. You played high school sports. You understand, like what. There was a different approach that coaches had then that you just knew was part of the deal. Like Donna. I mean, you. You probably have at least one time in your life experience a coach just tearing into you.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

In front of everybody.

[D]

I will remember it until the day I die.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I was at first base, Ground ball to the second baseman. Instead of getting in a rundown so that the runner that hit the ball the second week be safe, I decided to see if I could run through his glove and knock the ball out. But I ended up being an easy out and ended up being a double play. And I remember my. My dad went to all my games, and my dad was like, yeah, you know, you should have gotten into a rundown. And I think the coach got aggravated that my dad beat him to the criticism, and he just said, don't ever do that again.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

The manager, Coach o', Brien. And it shook me, like. And I'll to the fact that that happened when I was probably a sophomore in high school. So we're talking. It happened, what, 40 over 40. And I still sticks with me.

[A]

Yeah. In the moment. Yeah. You relive.

[C]

Wait, wait, real quick. You were the man on first.

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[C]

Paul was hitting.

[A]

He was the runner.

[D]

Balls hit in front of me to second base. The idea is I should have stopped, get him to chase me back to first, and that would allow the guy to hit the ball to be safe at first base. Instead, I tried to knock the ball out of his hand. So I was out instantaneously. And he just threw the ball to first base.

[C]

Oh. And still got the double play.

[A]

Got double play. Yeah.

[D]

Easily got the double play.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And. But still, it was a different world by me.

[A]

It's a different world now. When you see a coach raise his voice at a Player. What's the first thing everybody does?

[D]

Hey, what did we say to Dable when he was chewing out Daniel Jones?

[A]

Yeah. Like, it becomes abusive and you. Well, and so that's why the idea of George doing this today, like, first of all, let's just. Let's just take it simple. Today's world, we have. There's a lot of. In the major sports, there's owners. Some of them have a lot to say. Some of them love talking to the media. Name me one that comes anything close to what George was in his day. You can't.

[D]

Maybe Jerry.

[A]

Jerry's as close as they can.

[D]

Probably coming across more as the GM when he does that than the owner.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

He's not like a.

[C]

As much as we make fun of

[A]

Jerry, he doesn't tear into, like. You remember what he called Hideki Arabu? You can't do that.

[C]

No. Today there's no comp to that.

[A]

You can't.

[D]

It's so.

[A]

It's a different world now.

[C]

You know what I think?

[D]

A player, even the players don't like being chewed out by the manager or the head coach. They would accept that more than an owner calling you a name, calling you Mr. May or a pussy toad.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

They'll be like, I don't need this. I'm getting out of here.

[A]

Said fat toad again.

[D]

We talked about this, Alan. You. You were a writer when that story.

[A]

Oh, we had to. We had to put dashes.

[D]

How do you spell.

[A]

You had to.

[C]

We.

[A]

We at Newsday put dashes in. We couldn't write it out because.

[C]

Yeah, what the hell, you can.

[A]

You can't write it.

[C]

So print.

[A]

We had to use dashes. Yeah, that was a big. That was a big meeting, an editorial meeting about what to do.

[D]

I don't know, because how do you spell posse?

[C]

No, I don't think there's any need to even Scope.

[A]

He already did. He tried it.

[D]

No, but I mean, that's not the way you spell the other word.

[A]

Right. But it doesn't matter because when you're reading it, not enough people would know what he's referencing.

[C]

Yeah, I think either.

[A]

So we had to go with dashes.

[C]

Hey, you spelled that wrong.

[A]

Oh, please.

[C]

I probably would take posse myself as a. Oh, wow.

[A]

I did not know that. I. I was a clerk back then. So the calls we would get at the news desk. There's some wackos out there. And you know, what you say? I know it's hard to believe. Right. So you would. You would take a call and they would just wanted to just complain to you. We were always told, just let them complain and then hang up.

[D]

Right.

[A]

So you would hear people just go on and on about it.

[D]

Yeah, because for people who don't know that before social media, and for people that didn't want to wait for the editorial section of the New York Times.

[A]

Right. To write your letter to the editor, they would call. Yeah.

[D]

I don't know how they get the number to the radio station. I used to get abusive faxes at wfa.

[C]

No way.

[D]

No, I, I. Because one time I. In 96, I was working at the Fan, and I said on the air that maybe Todd Head can deserve the Cy Young over Andy Pettit. And I got nasty faxes from a guy. Facts, stats and every.

[A]

Facts, Nasty facts.

[C]

I said, he had them. I gotta bring him in one day. You still have it?

[D]

Oh, yeah. I kept them.

[A]

Of course you did.

[D]

Because anybody thinks that, like, people are meaner now than they were back then. No, they just had. They have the outlet. Social media.

[C]

Right.

[D]

Back then.

[C]

You had to re. At least back then, though, you had

[D]

to do the work.

[A]

You had to work for it if you wanted. If you wanted to. If you wanted to spew your crazy, you had to work.

[C]

Well, but that's basically that to me, in a nutshell, is kind of my issue with our entire business is that you may not like what Don has to say or Alan has to say or certainly what I have to say.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And we're all just sports fans to some degree who love it. But what makes us yo yos different than other yo yos was that we loved it so much that we went on a path of reckless abandon to get to these microphones so we could be the ones to talk about it. And forever there was a privilege that came from that work. If you were in a situation where you, you were able to do that, you were, you know, we were all fortunate. You know, none of us, none of the three of us came from abject poverty where we, you know, we had parents who supported us. We were able to pursue our dreams, go to school, whatever our path was, and we earned this then with our hard work. Now you can not have enough drive to do any of that, not do any of the work. And if you're provocative enough.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Still get a pretty big microphone on social media and scream at the world.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That is why I resent social media so much.

[A]

It's.

[C]

In some cases, it's no work. And still.

[A]

You get what I said yesterday, you see? Yeah. In a nutshell, now Some people on

[C]

social media do work and they put together a channel and they actually do some ready for this, but some don't.

[D]

How about this? Like, there's a. There's a ounce of respect that I do have for Lyons because he made the effort to get the stopwatch out. He actually made the phone call, did the work, and he could have sent that in a tweet and be like, all right, yo, yo. But he did the work.

[C]

No, Andy called and he was willing to have the yo, yo, and called

[D]

again because you know how many people, like, you know, type vitriol and then they just, like, you know, halfway through, they're like, this isn't worth it.

[C]

But no, he went. You.

[D]

You find out what the fans. Facts is not actually print something, copy something. Go look up stats and then send the facts.

[C]

Also, we may have to revisit. Nnn. I'd like to. Guys, if it's okay. I need to REVISIT the last 25 seconds of the Lang apology call because it's one for the books.

[A]

The way he turns.

[C]

You're making up with your wife and you're going, honey, I'm so sorry. Ultimately, I should have just woken up last night and taken care of the baby because you had a long day. And, you know, even though I also had a long day, I should have done it. But I. I think we would both agree that if you think for one second that your day was as hard as mine, you're out of your freaking mind.

[A]

Right, right, right.

[C]

But I'm sorry.

[A]

Right?

[C]

You know, like, it's.

[A]

It was insane. Yes.

[C]

Absolutely insane. We got to revisit.

[A]

Which made it. Which certainly made it fun. Enn top of the hour, of course, your calls at 800-919-3776. Of course. On whether or not, like, what Guidry said again about George and that whole thing, I mean, are you ready to let it go? Because what we just discovered, it might be time. See us live, by the way, from the Irish exit at Moynihan train hall, Friday, March 13, before the semifinal round of the big east tournament. Stop by before heading into the Garden or before your commute home. We're right there. We did it. Last year was a lot of fun. You never know who's going to stop by. Don Han Rosenberg live from the Irish exit at Moynihan train hall starting at 3pm Friday, March 13, just steps away from Madison square Garden and of course, Penn Station. It's brought to you by Schweppes above the Rim. Refreshment Feel the madness and refresh your game with a Schweppes Seltzer or Schweppes Ginger Ale, Sam Adams and Sun Cruiser Vodka Iced tea available at Jack Doyle's and John Sullivan's. Must be 21 or older to purchase. Please, of course, drink responsibly.

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[A]

All right. Little Foo Snick is there for you because apparently that album, on this day, Jake said.

[C]

What did I miss? What'd he play? Lashmoove.

[A]

No, not Lashmoo.

[C]

True Fu. Snick.

[A]

No.

[C]

Ring the Alarm.

[A]

Not Ring the Alarm. True Fushnik. Oh, yeah, okay.

[C]

It was True Fu.

[D]

I was gonna say. Did he play something on the album?

[A]

Yeah, he did.

[C]

Okay. It took a while. We got there. So, Jacob, how do you know Foo Snick? That is so random. He's.

[A]

I told you. He's got a wealth of knowledge and a great ear. Usually it happens when I just like one song and I'll take a deep dive and then I find out same either conversations with, like, you know, my friends or, like, older siblings about. No, my brother's really tapped into music, so. Oh, really?

[B]

Like, passes down, like, when I play,

[D]

like, Ice Cube or, like, anything from.

[A]

How old's your brother?

[C]

44.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah, he's an.

[A]

He's.

[C]

He. Your brother is your unc.

[A]

Wow. Just about. Yeah. I'm a big bro.

[C]

Yeah, he's a big bro. Big bros, unsteady and what's it.

[A]

What. So he's. Is he just into music? Does he work in music? What's the deal? He used to be into music.

[B]

Now he does like construction.

[A]

But he's, like, heavy into music from, like, Frank Sinatra to, like, you know,

[D]

NWA and Ice Cube, everything.

[A]

Guys describing me.

[C]

Yeah. Sounds like that sounds very Alan Hannah Love. Now.

[A]

Now, you might get along with him. Queen's guy. I guarantee you I'd get along.

[C]

Ballard. Ballard reached out to me, by the way, when we were having the Orbison conversation.

[A]

Orbison.

[C]

And he was like. He said, Orbison's a God in music.

[A]

I got. Actually, he said.

[C]

He said.

[A]

He's.

[C]

Rolling Stone ranked him the 37th, like, greatest American musician of all time.

[A]

37.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So. So our good friend Ned Hayden, sure. Who loves to listen to the show.

[C]

We Love Ned.

[A]

He's CBGB's guy. He was in a ton of bands and all that stuff. He wrote a great book about grunge that I gave to Don after I'd done reading. Anyway, Ned said Roy was Johnny Cash's best friend. Lived next door to each other. The Beatles watch Roy record oh, Pretty Woman, Back from the. In the back of the bus on tour in England. Like, he just. He gives me this whole history about Roy Orbison.

[C]

Yeah, Orbison's even bigger than I real. I knew was big. I didn't know he was, like, considered a God.

[A]

He said his last album, Mystery Girl, was great and had a hit. You got. Oh, yeah, you got it. You remember that song, right?

[C]

Oh, everything you want, you got it. He was 100 years old when he dropped that. And by that, I mean 50.

[A]

Half that. He said, there's a. There's a documentary, Black and white knight and see all the stars that wanted to play with him. That's how much he was revered. Wow, you gotta love that. All right, calls here real quick. Before enn. How about Richie and Huntington? Richie.

[B]

Hey, boys.

[D]

Long time. What's up?

[B]

Actually, Don, I think we would appreciate this. I've been on a seven best games. I listened to Animosity like, three times from beginning to end already.

[C]

I think I speak for all of us. And I said, we're not exactly sure what you said. Can you talk?

[D]

Sorry.

[C]

Maybe Here we try again.

[B]

No, I. I have my earphones. Hold on one sec.

[A]

Oh, there it is.

[B]

Is that better?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

There we go.

[D]

No.

[B]

So what I said before was. Don, I was. I've been on a seven Dust binge. I listened to Animosity like, three times, beginning to end, because it's so good.

[A]

Seven.

[D]

Seven times seven.

[B]

Well, seven does. Three times I didn't listen to.

[C]

Nobody said there'd be.

[A]

Madison.

[D]

Yeah, we got you.

[A]

Okay. All right.

[B]

Yeah. No. So, guys, I wanted to talk.

[D]

Maybe.

[B]

Alan, I'm kind of trying to talk you off a ledge a little bit because I get your pain. And I. I saw the Nick game, and I'm not, like, numb, not upset, but I'm. I'm. I'm a little disappointed, but I can't give up hope yet. So I'm just gonna cut to the chase real quick. If I can say we're probably still mathematically in. Because, Alan, I think you've already said it. We hit the fourth seed when, you know, we make it to the Eastern Conference finals, get to Guess who we're playing? Probably the Pistons.

[A]

Right? Right.

[B]

So I kind of want to do that.

[A]

If you get the four seed, you're not playing them in the finals. You're playing them in the second round, Right?

[C]

Correct. Yeah.

[B]

In the second round.

[A]

You don't want.

[B]

So I don't want that. You're absolutely right. So I kind of want to play this game with you because we have 23 games left, and it's kind of appropriate because it's not. It's not that much. We're going to bring the Michael K show back. I want to play the. Win, loss, win, loss, loss, loss.

[C]

Oh, we love that game.

[A]

Oh, wow. For 23 games.

[D]

23 games started.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

23 games.

[A]

Well, Richie here, the unfortunate thing is we can't do it it now because ENN is coming up in three minutes. So I'll tell you what, this could be something we do because there's two days before the next game. Maybe we can get to it tomorrow. All right, so call back tomorrow.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But one thing I did notice, Peter, the. The 5:15 out of Newark. We did not hear it today.

[B]

5:27.

[A]

It was. It was at 5:27.

[C]

Yeah, they were delayed today.

[D]

I was actually. We were in break when it happened.

[A]

Well, that's what 52027 represented, I believe. Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[C]

I don't want to know how the

[A]

sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter

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