Hour 3: More Reindeer Games & Damien Woody

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: More Reindeer Games & Damien Woody Date: December 11, 2025
Hosts: Don La Greca (Don), Alan Hahn (Alan), Peter Rosenberg (Rosenberg)
Special Guest: Damien Woody

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Episode Overview

This episode pivots around major shakeups in New York sports—mainly the Mets and Jets—and a blend of trademark banter, strong opinions, and guest insights. The first half dissects potential Mets blockbuster moves and fan reactions, while the second half hosts a spirited segment with former NFL player Damien Woody, exploring the Jets, Joe Burrow, the AFC North, and the challenges of football culture (and Hallmark movies).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mets Rumors: Lindor Trade Talks & Roster Philosophy

• [00:55] Don introduces "Reindeer Games Mach 2"—rumors sparked about a possible Francisco Lindor trade to the Padres, maybe for Xander Bogaerts and closer Mason Miller.
  • Both Lindor and Bogaerts have long, hefty contracts. Lindor’s is a year shorter but larger in value.
  • Don: “Bogarts is a little bit older. He's not the hitter that Lindor is. ... Lindor had a tough year defensively—now, is that just an aberration or a sign of things to come?”
    ([04:56])
• Team Strategy Under GM Stearns: Stearns may be systematically unloading players he didn’t acquire, driven not just by money but by building “his guys.”
  • Alan adds: “It most likely [is] the ones that just aren’t Stern’s guys ... wants to build the team completely in his likeness.” ([08:10])
• Fan Frustration: Listeners (and friends texting Don) are baffled, feeling owner Steve Cohen’s billions and “money’s no object” claims should stave off penny-pinching and keep stars.
  • Don clarifies: “I thought Cohen, the money's no object. ...They didn’t want Pete Alonso, period.” ([07:08])
• Emotional Attachments vs. Winning: Alan questions the “forever Met” narrative, noting nostalgia shouldn’t trump legitimate improvement:
  • “You cannot overdo this. ...there's a difference between a guy who was pretty good in an era in which nothing great happened.” ([20:12])

2. Evaluating Moves Without Full Context

• Wait-and-See Perspective: Don and Alan repeatedly urge patience—let Stearns execute his full plan before panicking.
  • Don: “Can we just wait, Peter? Can we just wait to see what he does? I'll be right there leading the charge ...if I don't recognize half the guys on the roster...” ([11:49])
• On Trading Fan Favorites: Comparisons made to past big franchise moves—trading for Gary Carter, letting Don Mattingly retire—underscore that winning brings acceptance for newcomers.
  • Don: “Yankee fans who loved Don Mattingly ...found a way to embrace Tino Martinez when they won all those championships...” ([21:16])
• Championships > “Forever Players”:
  • Don: “I don't want my glory days to be ...losing in conference finals. ...I want the glory days to be championships.” ([18:10])

3. Joe Burrow, the Jets & NFL Quarterback Drama (with Damien Woody)

Scene-Setting Banter

• [27:12] The hosts rib Damien Woody about his missed "Napoleon Dynamite" viewing due to Hallmark Channel hostage crisis—a running joke on Hallmark movie overload during the holidays.
  • Woody: “My wife had told me hostage with the Hallmark Channel, so...” ([27:19])
  • Rosenberg: “This time of year kills you.” ([27:48])
• Phone Line Glow-Up: The hosts joke about Woody’s historically bad phone lines, marveling at the improvement this year.

Joe Burrow Discontent & Jets Fantasies

• Joe Burrow's Future:
  • Woody: “I think this is real. ...he's just been so beat up. ...It seems like his love of football is waning when you’re getting beat up, battered and bruised, and you’re losing...” ([29:53])
• Jets Suitability for Burrow: With draft capital and a desperate need, Woody sees the Jets as well-positioned to pursue Burrow if he does want out.
  • “...There's no team more equipped than the Jets right now. ...You have all the ammunition in the world.” ([32:24])
• Fan Calls Fuel Debate:
  • Some callers are wary of the Jets being “band-aid” chasers, wanting the team to fix ongoing dysfunction, not just import talent.
  • Host rebuttal: Trading for a generational QB in his prime is no “band-aid”—that’s the NFL’s holy grail.
  • “When you get a franchise quarterback in his prime, a Band-Aid is getting a 40 year old.” ([47:52])
• Jets/Joe Burrow Hypothetical: Multiple callers and hosts joke about “movement” (excitement) if Burrow did come to the Jets, with Marco in North Carolina exuberantly voicing he’d “give up the entire drop of 2026” for Burrow. ([50:13])

AFC North “Collapse” & Lamar Jackson Concerns

• Division Surprise: Hosts and Woody ruminate on the struggles of the AFC North (Bengals, Steelers, Ravens).
  • Woody: “To me [the AFC North] is one of the worst divisions in football. ...Lamar Jackson’s not playing well. ...Is he always going to be hurt? Has his athletic ability started to wane?” ([35:47])

The Philip Rivers Sideshow

• Rivers' Proposed Comeback:
  • Woody: “I am scared to death. ...This is disrespectful to the game ...to think a guy 44 years old who hadn’t played in five years can go out here at this juncture in the season and just play football at the highest of levels.” ([37:01])
• Alan points out desperation in these moves, both from teams and front offices trying to save jobs.

More on Football, Hallmark, and YA Tittle

• Hallmark Channel Hostage Situation: Recurring jokes about being forced to watch Christmas movies by spouses, noting the female leads are “usually a smoke show.” ([28:33])
• YA Tittle Age Revelation:
  • The crew marvels at how old football players looked "back then" (e.g., Tittle was 33 in a photo but seemed 46).
  • Rosenberg: “It had to be the bacon and cigarettes and scotch...that has to be the reason.” ([43:58])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Highlight | |-----------|--------------|----------------| | 04:56 | Don Hahn | “Bogarts is a little bit older. He's not the hitter that Lindor is. ...Lindor had a tough year defensively—now, is that just an aberration or a sign of things to come?” | | 07:08 | Don Hahn | “I thought Cohen, the money's no object. ...They didn’t want Pete Alonso, period. Now, I think they wanted Diaz to a point. But I don't think anybody was crying that Diaz is gone either. Lindor's different to me.” | | 11:49 | Don Hahn | “Can we just wait, Peter? Can we just wait to see what he does? I'll be right there leading the charge ...if I don't recognize half the guys on the roster...” | | 18:10 | Don Hahn | “I want the glory days to be championships. And my last glory day with the Mets was ‘86...I’m 57 now, so I'm upset Pete Alonso's gone, but I'll... get over it if they're lifting that piece of tin a couple of times.” | | 29:53 | Damien Woody | “I think this is real. ...he's just been so beat up. ...It seems like his love of football is waning when you’re getting beat up, battered and bruised, and you’re losing.” | | 32:24 | Damien Woody | “There's no team more equipped than the Jets right now. ...You have all the ammunition in the world to solve the number one problem...that’s a quarterback position.” | | 37:01 | Damien Woody | “I am, I'm fascinated to watch because...sometimes, you know, it's like on a highway when there's a big accident. ...But I'm scared to death for Philip Rivers, man. ...This is disrespectful to the game.” | | 43:58 | Rosenberg | “It had to be the bacon and cigarettes and scotch...that has to be the reason.” (on why YA Tittle and other old player photos look ancient) |

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [00:45] – Show proper begins, “Reindeer Games Mach 2”: Mets/Lindor trade speculation
• [04:45] – Weighing shortstop swap and fan philosophy on “penny-pinching”
• [11:49] – Don appeals for “wait-and-see” patience with Mets front office moves
• [18:10] – Debate: Forever Players vs. Championships (chat comment addressed)
• [27:12] – Damian Woody segment starts; Hallmark/holiday movie humor
• [29:53] – Woody: Joe Burrow’s disillusionment and Jets opportunity
• [35:47] – AFC North struggles, Ravens/Lamar Jackson, Tomlin/Steelers
• [37:01] – Philip Rivers’ rumored return: Woody’s “disrespectful to the game” riff
• [43:12] – YA Tittle photo/age digression and generational differences
• [45:10] – Fan call segment: Mental makeup for playing in New York & Joe Burrow
• [47:52] – Is trading for Burrow a “band-aid” or a legit solution?

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Overall Tone & Closing Thoughts

The hour blends typical New York angst, wit, and informed debate:

• Don acts as the measured, slightly beleaguered voice of reason.
• Rosenberg injects hip-hop/WWE references, fan perspective, and humor.
• Alan keeps them honest, challenging assumptions without theatrics.
• Guest Woody offers NFL expertise while blending into the mayhem, especially on the Hallmark front.

Bottom line: The episode showcases the passion and skepticism surrounding New York sports, emphasizing the need for vision and patience—even when old favorites are on the way out and new frontiers are as unpredictable as a Hallmark Christmas movie plot.

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Rosenberg]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

[Don Hahn]

This is Don on Rosenberg with you, hanging out on A chilly Thursday, 5:03 in the big city.

[Alan]

Oh, there it is. I was waiting for it.

[Don Hahn]

I was just looking for an accurate clock. I didn't want to get, you know.

[Alan]

Screw people up here, let me say that.

[Don Hahn]

But Reindeer Games Mach 2 on the show, Ben and Woods. It's a show out in San Diego, and they had got some inside dope that the Padres could be interested in Francisco Lindor. And. And this raised an eyebrow to me because I'm thinking, well, they're trying to change the culture of the team, the core of the team. There were rumors that Lindor and Soto didn't necessarily get along, but I always discarded it by saying, I don't know if anybody would want. Lindor can't move that contract. If you take a look at what Stearns has done, it's all the guys that he didn't get right. He didn't draft Alonso, he didn't. He didn't draft Nimmo, he didn't bring Diaz over here, and he didn't give Lindor that contract. But could Lindor be moved? So I'm like, oh, well, if San Diego would be interested, it would be for Xander Bogarts, who is a shortstop, who is around the same age. I think he's a year older than Lindor. I think Lindor is a better player. Both are in obnoxiously long contracts. Bogart's contract ends in 33, and I think Lindor's ends in 32, but Bogart's is not worth as much. I think Bogart signed an 11 year, $280 million contract. And what was Lindor's like, 10 years? Was it 330 hours? Oh, it was 340 something, you know, so obviously you would get back a shortstop that's around the same age, not as good, maybe a little better defensively. Because Lindor didn't defend well last year. Was that an aberration or is that a sign that things to come. And I keep thinking about what Alan said about how all the Mets have talked about is run prevention and Mason Miller, the closer who was highly coveted if you remember when he was in Oakland and the Padres acquired him. So could he be your closer and then Devin Williams can slide in to be the setup guy. You get Bogarts at a little bit cheaper at shortstop maybe adding more fuel that now there's more money in the hopper for them to be able to go out and get Bellinger to go out and trade for Skubal and or maybe even sign King. So it sounds like there's some smoke there too but maybe there is a possibility that Lindor could be next. Now I'd want to see if I can get Tatis Jr. But I'm just going by what they said and what they heard. These are the names that they threw out there. But would that interest you? Just those names guys to let Lindor go. Are you good?

[Rosenberg]

One thing you got to keep in mind, Lindor has a no trade clause that includes 15 teams but he has a full no trade clause that starts next season.

[Don Hahn]

Right. So if you're going to now, I don't know. So you'd have on the list of.

[Rosenberg]

Places he'd go, who knows. But. But you, you. I don't know if he's on it or not on it but it's a 15 team no trade clause that I guess would end December 31st if not at the end of the season. I don't know what the exact date would be but then after that it's a full no trade so he has full control over if he wants to go or not or doesn't want to go.

[Don Hahn]

Now I talked.

[Rosenberg]

That's what makes it tough.

[Don Hahn]

I've talked to a few people and it seems like it's a pretty mixed bag with the whole Soto Lindor. Some say it's nothing, some says there's a little something there. I'm of the camp that I don't really care if they like each other or not. That shouldn't matter. You know, one's a shortstop and one's an outfielder. It's not like they have to worry about your double play combination or anything like that. You know the 78 Yankees couldn't stand each other. The A's won three championships not being able to stand each other. But you know, if there is something going on in that room and if Stearns is You know, letting some of these guys go to clean that up. Could Lindor be next? If there is general interest in the Padres, would you take this package? Would you ask for Tatis? I would definitely be listening if I were Stern.

[Rosenberg]

Excuse me. You say Tatis, now we're talking.

[Don Hahn]

But that's not what they said, so I'm just going on what the report was. Does Bogarts and Miller float your boat?

[Rosenberg]

He's 33, right? Bogarts.

[Don Hahn]

And Lindor is 32. So they wrote Bogarts a little bit older. He's not the hitter that Lindor is. Again, I don't know how they look at the field, the, The. The defensive analytics. I don't watch Bogarts as much as I've watched Lindor. Lindor had a tough year defensively. Now, is that just an aberration or a sign of things to come? If Stern thinks it's a sign of things to come, and he thinks that maybe Bogarts would be a better defensive shortstop moving forward, that might be interesting. But I don't know if this would be enough to do it for me. Although I do like Miller and I like Devin Williams better as a setup guy. But Bogarts for Lindor, I don't know.

[Rosenberg]

No, that feels like.

[Alan]

That feels like a no for me.

[Rosenberg]

It feels like.

[Don Hahn]

And the Mets should not be. And here's the thing.

[Rosenberg]

Get 11 home runs.

[Don Hahn]

No, he's not the offensive player. But here's the other thing that's going to drive Met fans crazy, and that is. Well, you shouldn't be pinching pennies here. Like, the attractiveness of Bogart over Lindor is that he's cheaper per year. And does that give you more money to play with, to offer more money to Bellinger? More money if, like, if you traded for school and then give him a contract, go out, get King. But we shouldn't be playing those reindeer games if my owners were $23 billion.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, see, that. That's why, again, that's. I don't understand that. It's one thing, you know, we spent time talking about Pete Alonso and not wanting to go five years with Pete Alonso and 150 plus million dollars. Right, because that's first base Till he's what, 30, 38 years old, whatever it is. Well, how old are you?

[Don Hahn]

Just. He's 31.

[Rosenberg]

31, okay.

[Don Hahn]

That keeps him 36.

[Rosenberg]

Fine.

[Don Hahn]

Nothing. And he's not athletic, so he's not going to age. He's not going to get better defensively, but that's one.

[Rosenberg]

I'm just not like, I'M not fundamentally comfortable with giving him a five year deal as my first baseman for the next five years. But that's one thing. But that's not being cheap. That's just. This is how I feel.

[Don Hahn]

I'm glad you said that because Lindor is different.

[Rosenberg]

I'm not like, I don't want to dump Lindor salary. He's still a high level player.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, see that's. See, I'm glad you brought that up about the money. A lot of people are complaining. I'm hearing it from friends too.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

That I thought Cohen, the money's no object. So why didn't they just give Alonzo the five year? I don't get it. They had nothing to do with money and everything to do with. They didn't want Pete Alonzo, period. Now, I think they wanted Diaz to a point. But I don't think anybody was crying that Diaz is gone either. Lindor's different to me. If you could tell me you can improve, I want to improve anywhere. You can improve. I don't know how Bogart's playing shortstop over Lindor improves your team to me. Now, maybe he has some analytic that tells you that I'm all wet on that. But from what I know now you're bringing in Mason Miller or and Peter, all the fans that were screaming they don't want Devin Williams to be the closer. Well, then Miller could be your closer and then you do improve there at least. But that's A, that's a big sacrifice. It's short to me.

[Alan]

I mean, unless there's something else with Lindor that's not just about his play.

[Don Hahn]

But see, that's a good question too. Is there something going on in that room? And all these players have been strategically removed, A, because they haven't won with them and B, that they may be the source of the problem or is.

[Alan]

It most likely the ones that just aren't? Stern's guys, he doesn't have an affinity for, wants to build the team completely in his likeness. He's not interested.

[Don Hahn]

That's ego.

[Alan]

But that's the thing that does happen.

[Rosenberg]

But remember this, this didn't, this didn't surface in New York. This surfaced in San Diego where they're. They're also going through a recycling of their roster. Kind of sit right.

[Don Hahn]

They haven't won anything either.

[Rosenberg]

So they might be looking at the Mets and seeing the exodus of the old core, right? Nimo gone, Alonzo gone, Diaz gone. And now who could be next? And maybe they're trying to pick from the Carcass the way we do. Right. Like what we just did with Joe Burrow. Right, Right. So I don't want. And again, this is not about another radio show and all that stuff. I don't want to give too much credence to it. It's. It's still worth talking about because it's interesting, but it's. It's not something that I look at and think they've got to dump a salary because they don't want to pay it. No, that's not the problem with the Mets. The Mets are cleaning out players that they don't feel like are, at least for Stearns. Well, it's part of what they want to be going forward because they want to fill it with better players. And Stern said a couple of weeks ago that this team's going to look different. And when we get to opening day, like, it's. It's not going to be an easy process. There's going to be some moves we make you're not going to like. But when you get to opening day, you. You're going to like the roster. It's going to be better than the roster we ended the season with. That's what he said. So we got to see if he can do it.

[Don Hahn]

And now. Now. Now we go back, we circle back. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because they said they had heard the Padres would be interested in Lindor, which I raised an eyebrow because I didn't think anybody would be interested in that contract. But obviously, if they were able to shed Bogart's contract, maybe they would see it being worth it. But the whole thing between Soto and Lindor, that they did not get along.

[Rosenberg]

There was a report. Yeah, if.

[Don Hahn]

Well, then that would add fuel to that report. Right. That all of a sudden Lindor gets shipped out because Soto's not going anywhere. Right. Soto's locked in for the next 14 years.

[Rosenberg]

So you imagine if you're dismantling this team because you signed Juan Soto, and Juan Soto doesn't really like some of the guys that like. Wouldn't that be the most bizarre thing?

[Don Hahn]

It would be bizarre. Now, I'm not suggesting that Soto said anything like, you got to trade this guy, but does that motivate you as a general manager that two of your star players don't get along with each other? You get a phone call from San Diego interested in Lindor, who's the more expendable of the two? You get something that you like back. Could. Could the rift be enough for you to say I'll do it. I can make that work, but I don't.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, no, no. All I know is that. And the conversation about the Met should not be about finances. It should not be about a willingness to spend. I honestly think that this is. They have a target of play. They have players that they want, and they're going to go after them. And I think the players they want, not the players they've checked in about. There is a semantics to all this. The players they want, they won't be outbid for. They proved it last year with Juan Soto. They wanted them.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. This is.

[Rosenberg]

I. I think it's the same thing. That's why what worries me as a Yankees fan, if they really want Bellinger, they're going to get him. Because I don't think Bellinger will. And that's why I said last week, Bellinger will take less if he really wants to stay with the Yankees.

[Don Hahn]

Not way less.

[Rosenberg]

No, no. Not way less.

[Don Hahn]

Not what Scott Boris is.

[Rosenberg]

But if he stays with the Yankees and the Mets wanted him, he'll end up taking less to stay with the Yankees because there's no way the Mets are going to let themselves be outbid if they really want Bellinger. That's the. That's the domino I'm watching. Because that should be really interesting.

[Damian Woody]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And that's. And I. And I know there's a lot of. I'm telling you, I'm getting texts from Met fans that I haven't heard from in forever who are like, I can't believe this is happening. I thought Cohen was different. Stearns is ruining this team. Can we just wait, Peter? Can we just wait to see what he does? I'll be right there leading the charge with all these people on opening day. If I don't recognize half the guys on the roster, if they talked Mark De Scharrick out of coming out of retirement to be the first, then I'd say, you know what? There's an issue here. If Keith Hernandez doesn't re sign with sny, so we can start at first base on opening day, as cute and adorable as that would be, I'll lead the charge wanting this guy fired. But can I at least see what it looks like?

[Alan]

I'm not being that guy Thursday. I'm just talking about, you know, something that I observed. I saw another sports personality in this town, saw a video pop up on my algorithm with, like, the picture of their face going off all angry, and it's like, goes off on Mets for losing Diaz and Alonso, and I'm Like, I don't understand how you could be a knowledgeable Met fan and go off about it. I can understand having some emotion about it. I can. I can truly understand being disappointed. I cannot understand, quote, going There it is 5:15 on the dot.

[Rosenberg]

That's the 5:15 train.

[Don Hahn]

You can set your watch to it.

[Rosenberg]

The 5:15 to Newark.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but I.

[Alan]

How could you be Alan, how could you be a smart Met fan and not be being performative? If you're going off about this, here's why.

[Rosenberg]

I was really proud of Don, because Don had the opportunity to do the live in the moment, right, and be mad about another forever Met being gone. And I know there were a lot of fans that tuned into the show yesterday hoping to hear Don flip out and give us an, you know, ed crane pool 2.0. But there's also. So, so there are. There is a reason for. Right. Because I'm this. I have, as you know, family full of Met fans, friends that are Mets fans, and I've talked to them, too. And there was. We were going back and forth with the text of how, you know, furious they were. But it's Pete Alonso, you love them. How do you not keep them? Now you don't have a first baseman. What's wrong with them? All the things that would be a frustration in the moment, and you could have gotten away with that and flipped out and you'd have a right to. And then a week later, if you end up signing, you know, Tucker and whatever it is, it gets school, then you could say, well, all right, now I understand. Now I'm happy. But I was mad last week. You had to show me something to get me back. You could have done that. But come on, if you're adulting, you're, you know, this is a process, and you want to see the process play out. And if they don't have a better roster on in April than they did in October, then you sure as hell are going to go off.

[Don Hahn]

Not that I ever have to defend myself for this, but the one thing that I do hear from people is that my rants are performative and they're fake.

[Rosenberg]

If.

[Don Hahn]

If that were the case, then yesterday would have been a perfect opportunity. I was getting requests for. People were expecting it for me to explode, and I didn't because I didn't feel a reason to. Can I wait and see what this looks like? I told. I admitted to you it was disappointing to see Pete Alonso go, yeah, but I'm not gonna have my hair on fire and the video go viral. And go crazy. And then two weeks from now it's, oh, well, look. Look at how much better this team is. But I told you, you know, not that Stearns cares, but I will lead the charge if on opening day or, you know, at. During the course of the 26 season, this team is 30 games under.500 because he didn't address first, didn't address center, didn't address this pitching staff. Devin Williams is blowing save after save. I'm going to be just as red hot as all the other Met fans, but can I see that first? And I know the Mets have that kind of, that jet history where of course it's going to be bad, you know, of course it's going to turn out to be a disaster. But just like Muji, I want to see Stearns. I understand he didn't have a great trade deadline last year. I get it. Nobody's batting a thousand, but maybe it's blind faith, but I feel like he's got a bit of a plan. Cohen is sitting on billions of dollars. You know, he's burning a hole in his pocket, but he seems to believe in Stearns and the direction he wants to take this team. And I believe. I don't have evidence of this, but I believe that Stearns cave to Cohen's wishes. Rolled the team back last year and now was justified to do what he's doing because they won 83 games and they missed the playoffs and they blew it again down the stretch. They like this team did against the Padres three years ago. You know, like they, like they did in the first half of the season the year before when they were God awful, you know, so let's. I'm not going to call them losers, guys. Like Peter's friend did in Tex yesterday. The wrestler.

[Alan]

Not the wrestler. Michael Cole. The voice of Monday Night Raw, for Christ's sake. I mean, I mean, that's not a name drop. It's the reverse name drop misunderstood.

[Don Hahn]

Because I just know I'm ignorant on the subject. If it was my brother, you can jump him because he knows I don't know.

[Alan]

Well, you got to do better.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, you know what? You're not wrong.

[Rosenberg]

All right, thank you.

[Alan]

Thank you.

[Don Hahn]

But I don't want to call them losers like Cole from Raw did. But they didn't win anything with him either. So can we see if Stern's new vision of the team wins? And if they don't, I'll be right there with him. I'll be leading the charge with the Burning Stakes going after Frankenstein.

[Rosenberg]

It's like after the jets made their moves at the trade deadline and everybody wanted to throw parades and parties for the jets and everything that happened with all these draft picks. And I said what he did was the easy part. Now you got to show me what you're going to do with. And then that's when I'll throw flowers. What are you doing with these feelings? What does it turn into? I can't just get excited over draft picks. I can't get excited about that. Just like you can't get mad about. About opening up space on your team to improve, to be better. You have to now say, all right, did you get better? No, you didn't. So that's the. It's the. It's the reverse, but it's kind of the same emotion. And I got it. In the chat. James said something that I think is actually pretty smart, might be the smartest thing anybody said in the chat so far today, and it is. In this current era of baseball or sports in general, what matters more? Forever, players or championships where they stay?

[Don Hahn]

Legends championships. Because, and I brought it up yesterday, I don't want to be the Knicks where the glory days are, losing to Michael Jordan and losing to Akeem Olajuwon. I don't want my glory days to be, you know, losing in Denver in the championship game, losing in Indianapolis in the championship game, losing in Pittsburgh in the championship game. You know, I don't want my glory days of the recent Islanders, you know, getting shut out in Game 7 against Tampa Bay. All right. I don't want the recent vintage with the Rangers where my glory days are losing in the conference final. I want the glory days to be championships. And my last glory day with The Mets was 86. Okay, I'm sorry. Glory days aren't 2000. I had fun. Wasn't the glory days to me. 2015 was fun. I was there against Kansas City. Not the glory days for me. Glory days for me, unfortunately, that, you know, the glory 86. And that was a long time ago. I was 18 years old. I'm 57 now, so I'm upset Pete Alonso's gone, but I'll. I'll get over it if they're lifting that piece of tin a couple of times.

[Alan]

Love the piece of 10. I even heard our good friend Jake Asmon earlier doing his Love A program, doing a great job filling in for K. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Because it's too close to Christmas for him to work.

[Alan]

Oh, boy. He'll be back tomorrow. You can say right to his face, right to his face.

[Rosenberg]

Who did the who did. The who did the Mets trade for Gary?

[Alan]

Wait, hold on. I was making a point, you sob.

[Rosenberg]

I thought you were done.

[Alan]

The point was. The point wasn't Jake Asmons filling in for Michael K. No, I'm gonna give you a pass. I mean, he's great.

[Rosenberg]

Listen. No, the point was I'm half listening.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I know.

[Alan]

I know. You're dead.

[Don Hahn]

You're half dead.

[Rosenberg]

I apologize.

[Don Hahn]

I forgive you.

[Alan]

So what I was gonna say was Jake was saying, like, I forget the exact language he used, but it was something about, like, you know, a forever met. And it was like this very lofty way of describing Pete and I under.

[Don Hahn]

You're a Nike fan, by the way.

[Alan]

Yeah, exactly. And I was like, I understand how you could use that language, and I get why there'd be emotion, but just, you cannot overdo this.

[Rosenberg]

You.

[Alan]

You can't. You cannot. There's a difference between a guy who was pretty good in an era in which nothing great happened. I mean, Don, you want to talk about. I understand being sad or. I know this sounds crazy because he wasn't near nearly the ball player that Alonzo is. I would. Oh, I would almost understand being more upset about losing Daniel Murphy. At least you can associate him with getting to a World Series domestic team. Didn't get to a World Series. He was really nice player. It would have been cool to see him hit.500 as a Met. But can you really, really weep because you're moving on?

[Don Hahn]

Well, and part of the reason the whole Ed Krempole thing happened is because most of the players I was talking about were post 86, you know, and because it's been a long time. If they start winning championships, I'll get over it. Just like the Yankee fans who love Dom Adding Lee. They found a way to embrace Tina Martinez when they won all those championships. Right, Allen? You found a way to let Martinez in your heart.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, but at least because Donny retired. But answer me this, because you have to remember this, because you were young enough to have that kind of emotion as a fan. Who did the. Who was the key piece that the Mets traded for Gary Carter?

[Don Hahn]

Well, it was Hubie Brooks.

[Rosenberg]

Right. Well, that.

[Don Hahn]

That was the big. Yeah. And that bothered me. I like Hubie Brooks.

[Rosenberg]

Everybody loved him. Yeah, the young player, he was talented. He was well liked. All that stuff. And it's like to give him up was not certain. I guarantee you, while this was pre sports talk radio, when that trade went down. But I promise you that there were probably Mets fans who were not thrilled about it, now it's Gary Carter. Right. So you'll get over it. But that, that was the immediacy of knowing what you were getting. You don't know what you're getting yet. So what if you happen to get, get a player, you're like, oh, my God, we got him.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, here's the criticism that I can accept that I don't trust Stearns is.

[Rosenberg]

Going to do it.

[Don Hahn]

Okay? I, I can't, I can't get mad at you. He has a great trade deadline.

[Kevin Clark]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

You know that.

[Don Hahn]

He hasn't won a title. He hasn't been here long enough to completely earn the trust. I trust him, but I can understand fans not trusting him. But to just automatically think he's dismantled as if, as if he has no plan. His plan may not pan out. You may not like the plan, but do you really think he did all this just on a whim, not knowing what direction he was going to pivot to? Can we at least see the pivot before we criticize it?

[Rosenberg]

That's why trades are easier to assess, because a trade gives you the return and right away you can assess it. Moving off players because you don't want to pay them what they're going to get in the market. And you saying, that's not really what we want to do. And I'm telling you, last year, we all know this, last year he wanted to move on from Pete. Yeah, but, but there was the response from fans, there was the push from the owner, and there was no market for Pete. And you said, all right, we'll give him a year. That's all they did. They just went, fine, you earned another year with us. But this is a short term thing. And he had a love with him.

[Don Hahn]

And he had a great year.

[Rosenberg]

He was very good.

[Don Hahn]

But again, The Mets won 83 games. I mean, clinging to these players because our glory is 101 wins in 22 and, you know, a run, a run to game six of the League Championship Series in 24. I don't know, I'm hoping for better than that. And he better deliver on that.

[Rosenberg]

I like it.

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[Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Alan]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, time for the Damian Woody Report right here, brought to you by bet365. And one of our favorite times every week is talking to our guy Damian Woody.

[Don Hahn]

And we'll see.

[Alan]

Obviously, out of the gate, there's only one thing to ask.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Alan]

And that is how was Napoleon Dynamite?

[Damian Woody]

Guys, I have to confess.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, no.

[Damian Woody]

I have to confess. My wife was holding me hostage. Oh, no. My wife had told me hostage with the Hallmark Channel, so.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, my God. Wait a minute.

[Rosenberg]

Who takes a view?

[Damian Woody]

The Hallmark.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, though. No, no, Don, that's a real thing.

[Don Hahn]

But here's the question.

[Rosenberg]

I deal with it all the time.

[Don Hahn]

This is what I need to know.

[Rosenberg]

This time of year kills you.

[Don Hahn]

Did she eventually give it back to you?

[Damian Woody]

No, she's like. Because this time of this time of year, man, it's like, brutal.

[Don Hahn]

I know. Took it away, put in the box in the high shelf in the closet. Did she give it back to you? You do you have it working now with you?

[Rosenberg]

Oh, wow.

[Don Hahn]

Because when you're watching the Hallmark channel.

[Rosenberg]

She took it away from it's in a box.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan]

Are you talking about.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I'm talking about it.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. But honestly, talking about honestly, though, men, you know that we next talk about it Tuesday, though. D. Wood brought up something that I was going to bring up for talk about a Tuesday. We need to have this conversation. There's other men in the world now that are experiencing this. This Christmas movies on the Hallmark channel. It just like, you just stare at it going, what the hell is this work?

[Don Hahn]

Because the female lead's usually a smoke show, so you can kind of fight through there. Is that right, Damien?

[Rosenberg]

And usually, usually.

[Damian Woody]

That's very true. That is very true.

[Rosenberg]

Right? They usually child stars from the 80s.

[Damian Woody]

Yes, that is true.

[Rosenberg]

We gotta have the conversation one of these days. It's unreal.

[Alan]

All right, well, listen, we're all very hurt and very disappointed, but we also understand and we give up.

[Don Hahn]

I think we all collectively.

[Alan]

No I'm not. I'm not giving up.

[Damian Woody]

No, no, Don.

[Don Hahn]

Not.

[Damian Woody]

We're not giving up on this. It's just a rough time of year with. With being so close to Christmas. Yes.

[Alan]

Don, did you ever think. Be honest. Did you ever think that Damien would have such a great phone line with us every week, all year?

[Don Hahn]

It is. That's the one thing. Damien, I love you. I think you're a singular talent. You always had a bad phone line, and landlines do.

[Alan]

Yeah. And this year, the phone line's been amazing.

[Don Hahn]

So.

[Alan]

So change can happen.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan]

He has a great phone line. Now he can see Napoleon Dynamo.

[Don Hahn]

That is a good box. Try again next week.

[Rosenberg]

The lower third on our YouTube says Damian Woody, special guest. Still hasn't seen Napoleon Dynamite.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan]

Anthony's having a lot of fun now with the segments. I'm enjoying this. What do you. Let's start here. There's a few things for us to get to, but what do you make of Joe Burrows comments? You really think he ends up finding a way out of Cincinnati, or is this all chit chat?

[Damian Woody]

No, I think this is real. I think this is real. Like, Joe Burrow has been battered and bruised, and, you know, listen, man, he's been sacked, like, over 200 times, I think, in his career. Something crazy.

[Alan]

Yeah, 209 or something.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, 203.

[Damian Woody]

Yeah. He's just been so beat up. And, you know, I know people out there will say, you know, hey, you know, he got what he wanted. He, you know, he got Jamal Chase and T. Higgins, you know, got both of those guys back. But what good is both those guys if you're not being protected? You have no defense, and you just. You just hear, you know, listen, first of all, I appreciate when someone, an athlete just opens up like that and just pouring out and being honest, and you just hear a guy that's just. It seems like his love of football is. Is waning when you're getting beat up, battered and bruised, and you're losing. Which would be. Which would suck because I think Joe Burrow is like a singular talent at the quarterback position. I think he plays a quarterback position the purest of any quarterback in the National Football League.

[Rosenberg]

D. Wood as an offensive lineman. When you think about what we just said about how many times he's been sacked and the issues in Cincinnati, clearly they've been trying to build the line. They just haven't done a good job of it. But how much pride does an offensive lineman take? And it also. How much kilt do you feel when your quarterback's getting beat up like that because that's what everybody's talking about right now is he must be getting the football beat out of him like Andrew Luck did. And a lot of times it goes on you guys in that sense.

[Damian Woody]

Yeah, listen, I can only, you know, I would say this most office lineman that I've ever been around. Hate, absolute hate, giving up sex. And I'm just speaking for myself personally. There was just nothing worse. I just didn't want, I never wanted, you know, the opposition to touch my quarterback. You know, that was, that's the reason why I'm there. Obviously everyone, all linemen wants to run the football, but you don't ever want anyone to hit your quarterback. And, and I, I can't imagine those guys in Cincinnati if, you know, upon hearing those type of stats, you know, would feel good about themselves knowing your quarterback's been hit more than any other quarter quarterback over the past whatever, many, however many seasons. It's just ridiculous, you know, to, to hear from your quarterback like, man, I'm, I'm just getting the brakes beat out of me and injured seem like seemingly almost every year.

[Don Hahn]

So is it a Hail Mary pipe dream, whatever you want to throw out there that the jets can end up with him if he does part ways with Cincinnati?

[Damian Woody]

I will say this. There's no team more equipped than the jets right now. And listen, if you're the jets and you haven't been able to solve this, this quarterback situation since when Joe Namath or whatever the case may be, like you got to do whatever you can, you force the Bengals to say no. I mean, you got literally five first round picks over the next two years, you know, plus multiple second round picks. Like you have all the ammunition, ammunition in the world to solve the, the, you know, the number one problem within your, within your organization, that's a quarterback position. So you just keep offering until they say no. And, and once that's exhausted, you move on.

[Alan]

Listen, we, we talk a lot because Alan has a bit of a man crush on, on Shador Sanders. So we'd spend a lot of time on Shador and. No, it's been, it's been a great story or not great. It's been a fascinating story, I should say, with some great moments, including last week against Tennessee when he put up some big numbers. D I'm of the mindset that if you start the guy at quarterback, you have to keep him in the game in pivotal moments. I understand that it hadn't worked out on the previous two point conversion, but I just do not understand if there's nothing on the line for the team this season, right? They're just trying to develop the guy and see what they have. Can you help me understand how it makes sense to start a guy quarterback but not be able to have him in, in big goal line situations?

[Damian Woody]

You know, I, I felt like it was a stupid call, you know, on a 2, 2 point conversion to go what we call wildcat, where you literally take the quarterback, either take them out or put him at wide receiver. You got the running back in the backfield. I just felt like it was, it was a stupid call. Now, you know, Kevin Stefan has done this before. Whether it was Shador Sanders or Dylan G. Gabriel, he's done before. I just thought it was a bad call. And when your quarterback is playing, you know, kind of in a groove and playing as well as Shadow was playing, you don't take the ball out of his hand. You, you know, you let him play and let him play through things. And so, you know, for me, I listen, I look at Shador Sanders, you know, last week, that was a big step forward for him. I saw a guy who wasn't taking sacks that we've been accustomed to seeing him take, whether it's with Cleveland or his days in Colorado. He was, you know, he showed the arm talent and he showed movement. Like he showed movement within the pocket. And then obviously he scored a touchdown with his leg. So I thought it was a major step forward. And it's going to be interesting to see what this, what this young man does the last, you know, four games of the season.

[Rosenberg]

Showed movement. I had movement.

[Alan]

That's right. We know.

[Rosenberg]

You know what I mean? I've been trying to tell people like, like that's somebody that I would watch as another team and if they don't want them, I might want to bring them. Bring them in and see if I could. Because there's definitely something there to work with is to me, there's just no question about it. But D. Wood, as we look around the league right now, are you like the just. I know we're talking about burrow, so let's stay in that division. Are you shocked with that division? Are you shocked with. With the fact that the Ravens don't win at home anymore? The Steelers had a good start, but they seem to have issues. I know they did get the win last week, but the Fire Tomlin stuff's going on. Like that division was once really like the gold standard of afc. Some of the toughest football you can play. And that division Kind of sucks this year.

[Damian Woody]

Yeah, it's one to me is one of the worst divisions in football. And you know, it is, it is shocking because you look at the two blue bloods in that division in Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Listen, I think one of the things that's, you know, I don't know if not a lot, not enough people are talking about is Lamar Jackson. I know Lamar Jackson is hurt, but Lamar Jackson's not playing well.

[Rosenberg]

He's not right.

[Damian Woody]

And so, you know, which is kind of shocking considering, you know, he's a two time league mvp, could have been a three time league mvp and he's not playing well. And, and it's just a question of, okay, what does this look, what is this going to look like moving forward? Lamar, Lamar Jackson, is he always going to be hurt? Has his athletic ability start to wane? Like where, where do we stand with Lamar Jackson? And obviously in Pittsburgh, you. They push all their chips in with all the moves that they made and we don't even know if they're going to, you know, be if they're going to have a winning record this year. Like, there's no guarantee they're going to have a winning record this year. So, you know, and what's the status of Mike Tomlin gonna be after this, you know, 20, 25? So this is, there's just a lot of questions within this division.

[Don Hahn]

Are you excited or scared for the possibility of Rivers playing Sunday?

[Damian Woody]

Listen, I am, I'm fascinated to watch because it's almost like sometimes, you know, it's like on, on a highway when there's like a big accident. Everyone's want to look at it and see, you know, wow, what's going on over there. But I'm scared to death. For fellow Rivers, man, I am scared to death. Like, this is, to be honest with you, Don, this is disrespectful to the game of football to think a guy 44 years old who hadn't played in five years can go out here at this juncture in the season and just play football on the highest of levels. Think how arrogant you have to be as a, as a person to think, oh, I can just get up off the couch without playing in five years and go out here, you know, and play at the highest level. Not only play at the highest level, but he's playing the Seattle Seahawks.

[Alan]

I know. That's the part that I.

[Damian Woody]

For people who don't, for people who don't watch the Seahawks out here, the Seattle Seahawks has one of the best defenses in the league. Like their pass rush is, is a menace. And so we're about to see this whole thing and I'm just truly fascinated to watch it now.

[Alan]

Do you think, see the Rivers part doesn't surprise me because football player, I get how players think they can ball though. I'm watching some throws here from practice today and he may change his mind, but I don't know. To me it's almost the Shane Steichen thing that bothers me more. Like I get that's your man, but that's really. You really think that's the best way to have your players believe in this team? That to me surprises me even more than the player thinking he can do.

[Damian Woody]

Just goes to show the desperation of this whole operation right now. I mean think about it, think about what's, what's transpired this year. You traded two first round picks in the Sauce Gardner trade. The reason you did that, part of the reason you did that obviously get to get Sauce Gardner who, who by the way is injured but more important. But the bigger point was you like you push your chips in on Daniel Jones and so Daniel Jones is going to be out probably until next year sometime. And so like now you're organization, you're in free for all because you've lost four straight games. I believe you're falling behind. The, you know, the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Houston Texas are right there. And now you, your best recourse is to call a 44 year old Philip Rivers like that reeks of desperation and people trying to save their jobs.

[Alan]

Well, Damon, you brought it today. You didn't see, you did not see Napoleon Dynamite, but you brought the ruckus today.

[Don Hahn]

Never will.

[Alan]

And no, I think by, how about this, by the top of January, can we consider a view. Can we actually realistically get a review of Napoleon Dynamo?

[Damian Woody]

We, we, we, we can absolutely do that. Like I said, the holiday season, it's crazy. These, I blame Hallmark, I blame Hallmark for all these movies and, and, and you know, and like listen, I can't win the battle with the wife. That's just not going to happen. I'm just trying to, you know, keep my head above water with these movies.

[Alan]

And we all are.

[Damian Woody]

I'll be able to get, I'll be able to get Napoleon Dynamite in.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, A Crown. Christmas is not exactly the movie you want to be, you know, sitting through instead of Napoleon Dynamite.

[Alan]

But it's where we are.

[Rosenberg]

But it's, unfortunately, this is where we are.

[Alan]

Damien. Thank you, friend.

[Damian Woody]

All right, thank you guys.

[Alan]

Guys, by the way, I just literally.

[Rosenberg]

It's a real thing.

[Alan]

By the way, I thought I saw throw from from Philip Rivers on Twitter and it's a gag that people are posting of Pete Carroll in practice throwing balls. Yo. And the funniest one that I just saw, there are all these things about Philip Rivers and there's one that I see that says Philip Rivers about to cook on Sunday. And it has a picture of someone wearing the Colts jersey. It says Philip Rivers, blah, blah, blah. Like, it looks like a fantasy thing, but it's Joe Biden wearing a Philip Rivers jersey.

[Don Hahn]

Oh no.

[Rosenberg]

I still want to remind people that the famous YA Tittle picture, he's younger than Philip Rivers.

[Alan]

That's like the sign of like, when it's over.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it's your Tittle, but he looks like he's 67 years old. I think he was like 38.

[Rosenberg]

It's like, it's like that famous photo.

[Alan]

It's your Tittle.

[Rosenberg]

He looks right, 65 years old.

[Don Hahn]

I gotta find out his exact age.

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[Alan]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Rosenberg]

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[Alan]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Now, now go ahead.

[Alan]

Sorry.

[Don Hahn]

In the famous photo of ya tittle in Pittsburgh you title he's 38 years old but so everybody can feel like they could participate. And Peter, you as well and Alan go to Wikipedia and check out YA Tittle. And if you go to YA Tittle on his Wikipedia page his picture is a football card of when he was a 49er. So let's just assume for sake of argument it's his last year as a niner and it was taken in the summer going into the season at training camp. That picture that you're looking at is a. Of a 33 year old man.

[Alan]

Absolutely wild.

[Rosenberg]

No chance. It had to be the bacon and cigarettes and scotch.

[Alan]

It's a different era.

[Rosenberg]

Like just those three things that dominated men's lives from the 40s up until the 70s. That has to be the reason.

[Don Hahn]

It has to be because you look at any, any baseball player in his 30s from like the 50s and 60s, they, their faces look like catcher's mitts.

[Rosenberg]

They're.

[Alan]

They're. It's a different type.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know if it's all sun.

[Alan]

We don't understand. We can.

[Rosenberg]

It could be a 2 right. There's no look at Peter.

[Don Hahn]

Peter's a really good looking guy.

[Alan]

Thanks.

[Don Hahn]

Right. Very well put together.

[Alan]

I try.

[Don Hahn]

And He's. He's a 46 year old man. Mm. And you're telling me and Peter's also someone follically challenged like ya. Yeah.

[Alan]

Me and Yitiddle have that in common.

[Don Hahn]

And that I look at Peter now and then I look at the picture of a 33 year old ya tittle and I say it makes no sense. Peter is 13 years older than he is in that picture.

[Alan]

Can you send the picture to the group? Something that is insane. I see things like that all the time. And I go no way. I don't think I'm just seeing myself that way. I really look younger than these people who are in their 30s back then.

[Rosenberg]

It's crazy.

[Alan]

All right, let's talk to the people.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

Dave's been on hold for a long time. Dave, what do you got?

[Damian Woody]

Taking my call. I wanted, I want an opinion on, on this subject that's just scrambling in my head now that you guys mentioned Burrow. The Mets are cleaning house. Some of the big deals in New York team history where guys just never seem to work out Outside of Messier to the Rangers and Jackson to the Yankees. This is a heavy jacket to wear in New York it doesn't matter how talented you are. So when I look at a guy like Burrow, who mentioned retirement before this recent press conference, who hinted at kind of checking out already from the NFL, do you trust the jets organization to really vet this guy? Meaning I think they should have a shrink in the room when they start talking about making a deal to make him a jet. Because these guys talk a big game and their numbers look great. When they put this jacket on, when they're on that disastrous turf out there in New Jersey and they're trying to play and they're dealing with these New York fans, all that other stuff goes out the window. All these cigars and all this other stuff. I mean, are we vetting these guys.

[Don Hahn]

Properly before we bring them in here? All I'll say is this. I believe there's less desperation from Muji and Glenn than there was with Douglas and Salah. When they made the deal for Wilson, I think they saw they were up against it. They drafted a quarterback second overall. It blew up in their face, and they were trying to save their jobs. I don't get that from these guys. I think they're on stable ground. Glenn's in the first year of a five year contract. I. I'm not saying they can't screw it up, guys, but I think it comes from a less desperate place than it did when they went out to try to get Rogers. And of course I think they're going to vet him. It could still blow up in their face, but they're. They're not going to be all giddy and hand them the key to the city the way they did with Rogers.

[Rosenberg]

I'm with you, Don. Like, that's why I said earlier when we did have the borough conversation, what did I say? I said, you better know everything. You've got to be doing your due diligence now. But, I mean, Joe Douglas didn't get desperate. And until he realized that he whiffed on Zach Wilson.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Kevin Clark]

Yeah.

[Alan]

Yeah, that was a big whiff. Let's go to Reese in Syracuse. Hey, Reese. Welcome to the show.

[Damian Woody]

Hey, thank you for taking my call.

[Alan]

Of course.

[Damian Woody]

I just had a. I just had a quick thought. I'm a lifelong jets fan, follow the team pretty quickly, and I just feel like all these conversations about Joe Burrow, it's just kind of a band aid because they're not dealing with how definitely dysfunctional the organization is and fixing it. They're just trying to get all these band aids, and that just always ends in disaster.

[Don Hahn]

But that's not A Band Aid. When you get a franchise quarterback in his prime, a Band aid is getting a 40 north. A 40 year old. Right.

[Rosenberg]

That, that's your Band Aid, to be fair.

[Damian Woody]

But he is very accident prone and there's a lot of things with the jets and the turf and everything. So it's just kind of understood.

[Rosenberg]

All I'm saying is, is that when you the way out of purgatory in the NFL is when you find the quarterback. And that's one way or another. And that's, I think, what we're trying to do here. He's in his prime. Everybody seems to be really afraid though, of the injury history, which most of it is related to the fact that he's not well protected on the field.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

You know, and this all. And then of course, the turf keeps coming up with the jets.

[Don Hahn]

Like that's supposed to change in 28. I, I, I. Don't you think you changed the turf? Joe Burrow asked you to.

[Rosenberg]

Please. What do you want to play on Joe Sport Court?

[Don Hahn]

We'll do it.

[Rosenberg]

I don't care what.

[Don Hahn]

Whatever he wants to play on, we'll play on. Listen, I appreciate, I appreciate Reese. She's a Jets fan. She's damaged, I get it. But you can't have that old. Well, don't Dr. Don't take a, a quarterback. First of all, they'll screw it up. Don't trade for a quarterback. They'll screw it up. Like if you always think they're going to screw it up, then there's never, you're never getting out.

[Rosenberg]

I know that's how a Jet fan feels, that every time you make a swing, it's not going to work out. Which is, I think, why so many fans just want to find a, want to draft the quarterback and hope it turns into the, you know, the stud.

[Don Hahn]

You've been waiting. Tried that, didn't they?

[Rosenberg]

Oh, well, it did not do it.

[Don Hahn]

Well, as bad, Peter, as bad as it went with Rodgers, they've gotten it way more wrong in the draft.

[Rosenberg]

Oh my God, Yes.

[Alan]

Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know how you get it more. Well, yeah. At least they got one year from Rogers where he played serviceable quarterbacks, which is better than Wilson, who really never gave him a full year of serviceable anything. Let's go to Marco in North Carolina. Hey, Marco, what's up?

[Damian Woody]

Hey, guys, how are you?

[Don Hahn]

Good, man.

[Damian Woody]

I get to my point. I wanted to be that guy on a Thursday. And I had a big problem with what happened yesterday with Frank from Masapikua. And the fact that he basically physically threatened you to fight you. I would like to see if he had stones to go to. Go and say that to Bart Scott. Not that I'm now thinking that you would whoop his ass, but.

[Don Hahn]

He'S a Long island guy. We're gonna be in Long island tomorrow. Let's see.

[Damian Woody]

Yeah. But for Joe Bar, I'm completely the opposite of the last two people that call. If there is, as Buddy said, there is a way to go and get borrowed. Go get him. 4, 5, 6. Given the entire drop of 20, 26, I don't care. He's a generational talent. He won out of Cincinnati and to be honest, he comes behind our line with Garrett Wilson and Breeze. If they're going to bring him back and it's going to give me movement and guys, he's better. He want to be in New York. He's better be in New York. Financially will make sense for him to be in New York.

[Don Hahn]

Something I've said a lot but never meant it in this way. I love Marco.

[Alan]

I know. Marco, you're welcome anytime. I look forward to the drop of it's gonna give me movement.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Come. Come out to come. Where'd he say he was from?

[Alan]

I don't know, but come out North Carolina.

[Don Hahn]

I don't care. Get on a plane. We need you.

[Alan]

That was something right there. He brought it, man.

[Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

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