Hour 3: Mt Rushmore & Sorsby

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 3: Mt Rushmore & Sorsby (June 16, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on passionately debating the “Mount Rushmore” of New York athletes in the 21st century. The hosts weigh in with their own lists, dissecting legacy, championships, cultural influence, and position dominance. The conversation expands to callers weighing in on athlete impact beyond titles and segues into a detailed discussion about Texas Tech QB Brendan Sorsby entering the NFL supplemental draft and whether the Jets should bid for him. The latter part of the episode touches on celebrations after the Knicks’ championship win, athlete mentality, and what truly makes an athlete legendary in New York City.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Mount Rushmore of New York Sports (21st Century)

[00:53–17:06]

Parameters & Approach

• Limiting candidates to accomplishments from 2001 onward.
• Debate over whether championship rings must be a requirement.
• Consideration of cultural impact, dominance, team representation, and multi-sport diversity for the Rushmore.

Peter Rosenberg’s Four (04:34)

1. Mariano Rivera (Mo) — Cites his unmatched dominance as a closer, explaining:

   "Mo went to the all star game 13 times. 10 of them came in the 21st century... Greatest closer and not even having a peer. Jeter had peers as great as Jeter was." (03:44)

2. Jalen Brunson — Credits him for slaying "the 53-year dragon" and being the reason for the conversation.
3. Eli Manning — The “only one in the 21st century to have multiple championships.”
4. Aaron Judge — "Even though Judge didn't win, he's a singular talent... perhaps the greatest right handed hitter in history."
   (03:56)

Don’s Four (Jeter over Mo)

• Swaps Mariano Rivera for Derek Jeter:

  "Jeter's team. So even though I agree that you could make the case that post 01, Mariano is the more dominant player, to me Jeter still makes more sense to be on the Mount Rushmore." (06:15)

Alan’s Four (Inserting Henrik Lundqvist)

• Agrees with Brunson and Manning (“easy” choices).
• Picks Jeter for consistency, key championship role in 2009, and “synonymous with the Yankees.” (10:47)
• Selects Henrik Lundqvist to diversify sports representation, noting his Vezina, longevity, and making the Rangers relevant:

  "He can't walk in Times Square. He moved the needle. He's known by one name… he did just about everything else to be considered an all time great." (11:40)

Reflection on Parameters & Bias (12:40)

• The hosts agree that spreading the wealth among sports and teams is valued, but there’s honest grappling with bias and recency.
• "[A-Rod] If you took his name away and put somebody else's name on it, it's… an obvious one. But because of who it is, the history there… it's not as easy." (12:40)

Callers Join In ([17:21], [20:19])

• Jose from Connecticut: Champions Henrik Lundqvist’s larger-than-hockey presence, stirring up new fans and citywide buzz despite not winning a cup.
• Joe from Monroe: Insists Jeter is iconic enough post-2001 to be essential—“like taking Washington or Lincoln off.”
• Hosts and callers agree charisma, city impact, cultural resonance (“how they made us feel”) can outweigh missing titles.

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2. Aging Legacies, Upset & Fandom

[21:18–23:22]

• Discussing the emotional aftermath of Knicks’ championship:

  "You're a Knicks fan, you're going to be upset if they lose. But you'll be less upset than you've been any other year in history." (21:18, Don)

• Shift in fan expectations and how championship euphoria eventually gives way to hunger for more.

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3. Brendan Sorsby & The Supplemental NFL Draft

[27:48–34:58]

• Context: Texas Tech QB Brendan Sorsby suspended for gambling, now eligible for the NFL’s supplemental draft.
• The draft format: Teams “bid” future picks for rights—a rare opportunity.
• Jets’ Perspective ([29:03–31:28]):
  • Sorsby would have been a top-10 pick next year.
  • Jets (and Dolphins, Browns) are logical bidders—could jump the queue for a franchise QB.
  • Rosenberg’s take: "If you think he's good and I, all I have to do is give up a second round pick. I think he's worth the risk. But… can he overcome [the gambling issue]?" (31:28)
  • Alan raises concerns about media scrutiny, player development, and risk of distraction in New York.
  • Don ultimately pivots back toward Knicks talk: "…the jets are not the organization to take on someone with any sort of character flaws. Disaster City, Stay away from it." (34:58)

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4. Knicks’ Celebration & Championship Vibes

[35:02–38:11]

• Peter recounts attending Jalen Brunson’s victory party, interacting with players:

  "OG Anunoby, his eyes were open. He was fully awake and having normal conversation… Because if you saw him earlier in the day on Good Morning America, there is reason to believe…he was on another planet altogether." (36:00)

• Discussion of Knicks at the World Cup, team chemistry, and light-hearted banter about media appearances (e.g., OG Anunoby’s dazed TV look, Mike Brown doing "Who Let the Dogs Out" on Fallon).

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5. Athlete Mentality & Brunson’s Leadership

[42:15–45:51]

• Caller Ken: Praises Brunson’s “next play mentality”, referencing his encouragement of Josh Hart after a missed dunk:

  "...Brunson tells a story about how he went up to Hart and told him, get up and move on. And that hit me…at this level in the NBA…you see someone like Brunson…shows that mindset and leadership still matter." (42:36)

• Rosenberg and Hahn highlight the rare focus and mission-driven spirit of the Knicks team under Brunson:

  "For Brunson and this team, [a championship] was number one, two, and three on the list of the most important things they wanted to do, and it showed." (44:05)

• Alan: "He's. That's something that. Very underrated by him, very remarkable, but also in what he did in that moment… That's the part…I don't think a lot of people know about Brunson, but that's probably the secret sauce to his success more than anything else." (45:51)

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6. All-Time New York Mount Rushmore: Who Makes the Cut?

[13:08–14:34]; [46:01–47:58]

• Brief all-time detour: Babe Ruth (baseball), LT (football), Ewing (basketball), debate over hockey representation.
• Debate over whether Islanders, Devils, or Nets can breach "Mount Rushmore" (market, media exposure, and "buzz" as deciding ties.)
  • "If Marty Brodeur played for the Rangers, there would be a statue outside Madison Square Garden and…a buzz. But…across that river, it's a different world." (47:23)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Jeter vs Mo: "Even though I agree…Mariano is the more dominant player, to me Jeter still makes more sense to be on the Mount Rushmore." — Don (06:15)
• On spreading the love: "I just feel I need to spread the wealth and if we’re going to do four, I want all four sports representative if I can do it…" — Alan (11:45)
• On legacy beyond titles: "I feel like some of these New York legends…like, look at the [Patrick] Ewing…how they made us feel…they’re still around, too." — Caller Jose (17:42)
• On the supplemental draft QB: "But the most unifying, popular team in the city won the championship…there is stuff I want to say about this, about how badly I think the jets are not the organization to take on someone with any sort of character flaws. Disaster City." — Don (34:58)
• On Brunson’s leadership: "He’s special…for Brunson, put the egos aside and…let’s go get a ring." — Rosenberg (44:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Mount Rushmore Debate Begins: 00:53
• Peter’s Rushmore List: 03:44–04:34
• Don’s Jeter argument: 05:17–07:36
• Alan’s picks and Lundqvist case: 09:15–12:27
• Callers on Rushmore: 17:21–20:19
• Fan reaction to Knicks’ future losses: 21:18–23:22
• Brendan Sorsby/Supplemental Draft Discussion: 27:48–34:58
• Knicks celebration anecdotes: 35:05–38:11
• Brunson’s mentality & leadership segment: 42:15–45:51
• All-time franchise representation/Buzz factor: 46:01–47:58

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Tone & Style

Conversational, passionate, and quintessentially “New York sports radio”—the hosts intermix serious analysis with playful ribbing, nostalgia, and candid, sometimes irreverent, humor. The show oscillates between in-depth sports nerdiness, cultural observations, and locker room banter, yielding an engaging mix.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode thoroughly explores not just "who" belongs on the 21st-century Mount Rushmore of New York sports, but "why"—with championships, player dominance, city impact, and fan resonance all weighed. The hosts (and callers) remind us it’s not always about the numbers or just the rings, but about the players who captured the pulse of the city and what it means to matter in New York—whether you hoist the trophy or just make people care.

Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don]

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[Caller Jose]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Charles Barkley]

Hmm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because I think I. I think I got mine.

[Don]

I'm fine with whatever you. Whatever you guys think. I mean, I think I have it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I want you to have your. And we'll come up with a consensus. But I think we should all have our four.

[Don]

I mean, I feel like. I feel like three of these are gonna be the same for all of us.

[Alan]

Maybe, maybe not.

[Don]

I think three of four are. I'm pretty good.

[Alan]

I'm struggling because I had parameters and now I realize that I can't follow these parameters to complete four.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you mean?

[Alan]

My parameters included a championship and I can't do that. I can't have four.

[Don]

No, not with a championship.

[Alan]

Not. Not if I'm spreading it out. If I. Two from one team. But I hate that. I don't like two from one team. I think I like representation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Since I'm locked in, why don't I give it and then you can beat it up?

[Caller Ken]

Or not.

[Alan]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. We all Agree. That's Jalen Brunson. He slayed the 53 year dragon. He's the MVP, 45 points in the game. We'll see how it ages. Yeah, but right now, how are you not on that list? The reason we're having this conversation is because of what Brunson did. So he's got to be there. Eli Manning is the only one in the 21st century to have multiple championships. So. And he's an MVP in both Super Bowls. You could argue the first Super bowl should have been the defense, defensive line, whatever, but they give it the quarterbacks. And Eli had an epic throw in both Super Bowls. I think we'd all agree. Eli Manning, the two quote unquote controversial ones is do you take Jeter or Mo? And I take Mo. And here's the reason. Mo went to the all star game 13 times. 10 of them came in the 21st century. Started in 95, 96, really wasn't established as a closer until 97. The only time he went the three times that he went to the All Star game in the 20th century was 97, 99 and 2000. Otherwise he went every year but won from 21 on. Greatest closer and not even having a peer. Jeter had peers as great as Jeter was. Jeter's claim to fame is the five championships, guys. Four of them came in the 20th century. I go Mo over Jeter and then I put Judge because even though Judge didn't win, he's a singular talent. Already we're talking about perhaps the greatest right handed hitter in the history of the sport. Broke the American League record for home runs. Three MVPs has done it clean. That's what hurts a rod. I'm sorry, I love a rod, but it hurts him in a tiebreaker.

[Charles Barkley]

Fair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's got one championship and Judge has none. But my God, you don't think Judge has star power? Like he clicks every box but the championships, but man, it's a hard check in every other box. So to me, it's Mo, Brunson, Manning, Judge. Who are you taking out? I guess that's the question.

[Don]

When I go, I'll tell you who I'm taking out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right?

[Charles Barkley]

All right.

[Don]

You ready? Alan, you want me to go next?

[Alan]

I'm ready if you're not.

[Don]

No, I'm ready also. Tell me.

[Alan]

All right, go ahead, go ahead.

[Don]

I'm taking out Mo and I'm putting in Jeter and okay, because for a couple of reasons, I don's argument's completely reasonable in terms of

[Charles Barkley]

Mo.

[Don]

In that era and really throughout his career, but in that era was singular. As a talent like you're talking about, we can question any year whether Derek Jeter was the best shortstop in baseball. And most years you probably say, ah, maybe, maybe two, maybe three. Mo in his prime. There's no question he is the best closer in baseball every single year. It's. It's basically a guaranteed out every bat. It's. It's insane. We all watched it. We knew the feeling of watching someone trying to face Mo. So in terms of like if we base it on sheer dominance, Don would be correct. However, when we talked about the real Mount Rushmore and the way that, you know, the presidents were decided, they kind of represented different things. And so for me with Jeter, it's a combination of him being a fabulous player in the 21st century. Like, let's not deny it, he is the key piece of the 2009 championship. I went over the stats earlier, just a phenomenal throughout from from 01 to 14, literally up until his final game. The guy was the man. Right. There's no question. But to me, Don, it was about more than that. Like, because when I look at the Mount Rushmore, I'm not basing it solely on how dominant a player were they, but how much did they represent the team, the city, the sport. And to me, as dominant as Mo was, it continued to be and always will be when you look at that era, Derek Jeter's team. So even though I agree that you could make the case that post 01, Mariano is the more dominant player, to me Jeter still makes more sense to be on the Mount Rushmore. So to me it's Jeter judge for how just phenomenal a regular season player he's been. Brunson for what he's done to the Knicks and the level of clutchness and then same for Eli Manning. How do you, how do you not have the guy on who won two Super Bowls, slayed the greatest football team in history, has to be. So to me it's those four. It's pretty easy now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The only argument I push back and I'll let Alan go on the Jeter thing is. But a lot of what you're talking about with Jeter, of it being his team, were the things that were accomplished before the 21st century.

[Don]

But did it feel any different post 01? Like I was here. It's hard. It's still always felt like it's Jeter's team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Things are so difficult because you can't just take away the four championships he won in five years, they happen. It happened. But in our conversation, in semantics, but our conversation, that's not supposed to count, right? So that's what makes this so hard to do. But I just looked at it from the sheer numbers and I just, I just think Mo was a better player post 21 than Jeter was. And the championship that they won in 2009, it was a rod, it was Matsui, it was Damon. It wasn't really about Jeter in 2009. So the ONE Championship he had, it really wasn't about him.

[Don]

But again, I think, and I want to let Alan go, I think we're then getting into again, the level of great ball player that he was. And to me, while, yes, the actual play on the field is a major part of it with Jeter, to me it goes beyond that, you know, Yes, I totally hear what you're saying. And the greatness prior was certainly the most definitive part of his career. But God, even in the bad moments, Jeter just loomed so big. 030409. He was still just such a big, huge part of this city and the sport. Anyways, Alan, I'm curious now to where you fall on all this.

[Alan]

Okay, so again, we're in lockstep together on the Eli stuff and obviously on Brunson. Okay. Like, those are easy. And with Brunson, it's beyond the championship. It's, you know, again, you're talking about move the needle. Box office can't walk in Times Square. I think Brunson's reached that point three time all mvp. You got to throw in there. Swept everything this year. Won all the. Won every title and every MVP you can win. Except All Star mvp. That's the one he didn't get. But it's All Star in the Yankee. I want to put in this one. I'm going to go with Jeter. I'm going with Jeter. The first nine years of the century. He hit 308 of the nine years. Four Gold Gloves, three Silver Sluggers, all Star MVP World Series. And I think that matters because he did factor in it. And I think you can't. Also the mvp. He should have won the MVP in, oh, six. He should have more no hit more home runs. But he didn't win the war battle. It was a 15 to 13 vote. You know, somebody was like, I don't want to give it to Jeter. Right. Moreno's team didn't win. The Yankees won. They were a winning team. So like, I hate that MVP situation in 06 it takes away from it. So if you're, if you're looking at it in that. And then I'll go with what. What Peter said also is like at that point not only was he the captain, that was his team. The Yankees were him.

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It was.

[Alan]

Yankees and Jeter were. You were synonymous. So I feel like that's a Mount Rushmore kind of thing. So I'll put them there And I think the ring matters. The last one is the hardest one for me. I hate putting more than one team teammate right or team. And what I want to spread the wealth and every sports represented. So if I'm going to stick to my plan on that, the one non champion I'm going with is the guy who I think especially when you consider the sport, you rarely see this. He can't walk in Times Square. He moved the needle. He's known by one name and that's also a big deal to me and it's Henrik Lundqvist Vezina actually he was a top three for the Vezina four times. One at once was a runner up another time and then he was three. He was third two other times he got his team back to the Stanley cup final which they hadn't done since 94. Pretty damn impressive for the Rangers when you consider that kind of a run. And he was the reason like he, he was literally the reason that year. So it's 15 years that he played and was all with the same team. And so while he did not hoist the Stanley cup he came damn close and he did just about everything else to be considered an all time great. So I would put him there just because I'm the type. I just feel I need to spread the wealth and if we're going to do four, I want all four sports representative if I can do it. And that's the case I made for Henrik Lundquist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I could see that. It's a fun conversation and nobody's wrong. I just hate it when we've got to put the parameters on it.

[Alan]

I know if you don't put the

[Peter Rosenberg]

parameters on it then it just, it gets too crazy.

[Ethos Insurance Announcer]

Right.

[Alan]

Well if you get, if you. I'm with you, Don. Because what I fought with too is that if you, if you take the parameters away and just turn it into strictly performance. A Rod's on multiple MVPs, World Series like that, like anybody. If you took a, if you took his name away and put somebody else's name on it, it's. I mean you just, it's an obvious one. But because of who it is, the history there.

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It's.

[Alan]

It's not as easy to do, don't you think?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's. It's a fun conversation. Yeah. If we were to do all time, I think the only way to do it fairly would to represent each sport. So if you said, who is the best baseball player? Yeah, it would be Ruth.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who was the best football player? To me, it'd be lt.

[Alan]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who is the best basketball player? They probably would be Ewing.

[Alan]

Serving.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, too much time in Philadelphia. If we're being technical, I think. Would it be Ewing and hockey all time in New York?

[Alan]

In New York, Brian.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the one that really makes it very difficult.

[Alan]

Is it? Well, is it Mike Bossi, 10 years?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the one. That's way more debatable, right? Is it Bossy? Is it Gilbert? Is it Leech?

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To me, I think Leech is the greatest. Ranger.

[Alan]

Brian. Brian's on that.

[Caller Joe]

But.

[Alan]

But like, again, Mike Bossi had scoring records like you, like you dream about, like Peter would say, and four Stanley Cups. But con. Smite, like, he's got quite the hardware,

[Peter Rosenberg]

but it's just so. And we kind of touched on it a little bit. Like, let's see how it ages. But Brunson's got to be there. But, you know, let's see how things age in the sense that who could come next? Could somebody come next?

[Alan]

Well, you're putting Brunson ahead of Willis Reed. If we're doing all time. Willis Reed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I'm just talking about Finals mvp. The best.

[Caller Jose]

The greatest.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The greatest, Nick, is Patrick Ewing, and there's no net. Right. So I'm just getting back to the original conversation of our. Of our Mount Rushmore. The only way Brunson ever does gets knocked off of this is like, what's next? Like, who. Who could. Like, let's say this team, if somebody develops and they win another championship with Brunson on the team, but somebody ends up being like, we don't know, like, nobody saw Eli coming. Like I said, Phil Sims would have been on this. You know, Phil Sims was the man.

[Alan]

Things go wrong, demand's a trade. And he's only here for five, you know, seven years. Like, something like that. Like, then it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm not even talking about the negative. I'm just talking about there could be another player that does this.

[Alan]

Okay. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, as a Giant fan, Phil Sims was 21 to 25 in the Super Bowl. He won the Super Bowl MVP. And we never thought that there would be A guy come along here, Eli manning, and win two Super Bowl MVPs, right. Jets are still waiting for the next Namath. But sometimes some franchises get it right,

[Alan]

you know, and that's. That's the other part of it. But no, it's fun. It's definitely fun. Not. Not easy to do whatsoever. No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then we're not going to be able to come up with a consensus. I thought I was ready to concede if you went judge instead of Lundqvist. I was like, all right, listen, I'm outvoted 2 to 1. We'll go with Jeter.

[Alan]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But now you threw Hank in. I don't know if we can come up with a consensus. And nobody's wrong. It just makes it so much fun.

[Don]

Yeah, Hank. Hank's tough to me. Hank stuff to me. I mean, he was. Because I guess as big. As big as he was for a hockey player. I still don't think it's on the level of the other people that we're talking about for this list. And again, that gets into how we justify what should be on the list. Is it all about how dominant you were at your sport or position? Or are we factoring in your popularity or cultural impact? All the things with it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you could look at the other way, Peter, and say the fact that Lundqvist is so known in a sport that's not as known just shows you how great he was, you know? But he didn't win a championship. He did have peers. It's not like he won every Vezna.

[Caller Joe]

Right?

[Alan]

No, of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. But that makes it debatable. But I just.

[Alan]

The top three, four times is pretty.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do think.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I do think that where the Rangers were and they became relevant, all because of him. And you look, you look at the team that went to the Stanley cup final in 2014. He was by far the best player.

[Charles Barkley]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And won the President's Trophy in 2015. By far the best player. No, it's a great conversation. 1-800-919-3776. Let's get back to the busy phones and let's talk to Jose in Connecticut. You're on espn, New York.

[Caller Jose]

Hey, what's up, guys? I gotta agree with Allen here. I think we're overthinking because I don't think you have to have a title in New York to be on the face of the century. I think the buzz and who you are in New York, so obviously, to me, with like, Brunson's number. Brunson, Eli. And then I'm picking Jeter because even if. Even though Mo may have been better, Jeter was a captain. He was the face of the Yankees.

[Caller Barry]

So.

[Caller Jose]

But I, I got to put Hank and, And I think, Don, you appreciate this. I didn't even care about hockey until that. Until that first that, that. That Standing cup run against the. The Kings. Like, Hank made me fall in love with the Rangers in hockey. And he's still running New York all the time. And he gets as big of a pop at those Knicks games where every time I, I've seen him, like, he's still around, he's still, like, there. You know what I mean? So I'm putting him there because I feel like he's like, he, He. He carries himself like a legend, and he, he actually, he had the town buzzing with those Rangers, a couple of those Rangers runs. So I gotta put him in there, man. So I think, Alan, I'm agree with you. I mean, obviously, there's no wrong answer. It's like, kind of like. But I think to me, those. I, I feel like sometimes we try to pigeon hole, oh, you gotta win the title. I feel like some of these New York legends, like, like, look at the E Wing. Like, it was not just the title that. That can, like, add to it, but how they made us feel. You know what I mean? They're still around, too. And my other point, I was going

[Peter Rosenberg]

to say, I think it's.

[Alan]

That's good.

[Caller Jose]

Yeah. And I think it's a shame. I told you, the screener, someone like deGrom, like, he could have been that guy, but he just kind of didn't want to be in New York and left. But if he would have stuck around, imagine he was.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Caller Jose]

Yeah. Imagine if he was on a team that went to the nlcs. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Again, Jose, that's why. That's why you need to see it age. Like, somebody tweeted, there's a few people on social media that were saying, degrom. It's not even that it was too short. It's how it ended. It just. It. Never mind. No championship. It wasn't his fault that he never got the wins because the team couldn't score for him. There were so many times they'd lose two to one. And the one run they had, he had the RBI single. But he didn't go that long in games. But there was a time where there was a buzz around him, but it ended poorly, you know, So I can't. I'm not taking anybody out. Any of the guys that we've mentioned for deGrom. And I'm a Met fan because it just didn't age well to me. The injuries, the asking out of New York. And that's got to be part of it, too, right, guys? Like, he's not. And it's a shame, but, like, he's not a guy that I think is going to be as revered by the New York Met fans as he should for how dominant he was because of how it ended. And maybe you blame the Mets for that, but I just think he didn't want to really be here. That's got to count for something, right? How you embrace your time here.

[Alan]

What did the caller say? How they, how they moved, whatever it's affected you, right? Like how you felt about. Like, that's. I think that is a part of it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Let's go to Joe and Monroe. You're on espn, New York.

[Caller Joe]

Hey, what's going on, guys? I think not having Jeter on. I hear what you're saying, Don, about the post 2001, but at. By that time, I mean, Jeter might be the most famous New York athlete. Like, it's like taking Washington or Lincoln off, in my opinion. But like you said, it's. It's personal. So I also wanted to defend you, though, because this conversation about Knicks fans, that saying they won't be mad next year if they lose in the playoffs, like, I get that it's so amazing and it just happened. But, like, you're a Knicks fan, you're going to be upset when they lose. I think that's like a crazy argument to have at all. I don't really understand the other side. Knicks lose next year, I'm gonna be upset. I mean, it doesn't take away from anything that happened this year. But, like, you're a Knicks fan, you're going to be upset if they lose.

[Don]

But would you agree with me that you may be upset, but you'll be less upset than you've been any other year in history?

[Alan]

I think. Yeah. Joe, come on. Right? Like, you don't have the same.

[Caller Joe]

But that's just Nick's fan history.

[Caller Jose]

But.

[Don]

But that's.

[Caller Jose]

But that's.

[Don]

But I'm saying that's the ultimate point. That's. Any fan is going to be upset when your team doesn't win. But if, If I'm the argument, the way the, the drop the mic for me. And the argument is if you can say, oh, yeah, but it would definitely be less than ever before in history. Yeah, so sure, you'll be upset, but it's markedly different. Than every other year, no matter what.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But now you're. Now you got it, man. And Joe, thank you for the phone call. Like then it. Not that it fades, it's just now you're a champion and now you get hungry, you get a little greedy, right? And it'll hurt. It won't hurt as much next year, but then the year after, the year after that, you know, it. The fandom is going to kick in, man. It just. It's going to. You know, the guy, the Ranger fan that held up the sign this is going to last a lifetime, was right and wrong. He was right. That you're never going to forget 94. But at some point, 94 is not going to be enough for you to go through eight straight years of his in the playoffs and the team being an embarrassment, like that's it. It's a great salve that eventually it'll always be there. It'll always be great. But then you kind of get back to business and you'd be surprised how quick you get back to business.

[Alan]

You get. Yeah, you get back to one Tom

[Peter Rosenberg]

Coughlin frigging got fired. Think about that. And you know what? I gotta be honest with you. One day Mike Brown will get fired. Yeah, we all be loved like Don Shula and Bill Parcells and pick your spot. But that's, that's how sports is, man. Like, it just. It's such a business and it's. And it sucks. I love, I love the way Peter's thinking about it because I wish it was like that.

[Don]

But it will be for a little while. That's my only point. Of course you're going to get into it. You're going to get hungry again. I am questioning whether that feeling kicks in for people next year. Yeah, I am.

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[Don]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

For game five. Did you get to see them, Alan?

[Alan]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I'm sure, Peter, the way you reacted, you have seen them.

[Caller Joe]

You don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the number. Well, the number. I'm gonna tell you what the number is after. We've also got some other news we got to pass along to you. 24.5 million peaked at 33 million.

[Caller Joe]

Whoa.

[Peter Rosenberg]

157% higher than last year's game five. And it's the highest rated game five audience since 1998. We're talking Jordan's Bulls, man.

[Caller Joe]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Think about that.

[Alan]

So, yeah, that's the last dance.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Those are monster, monster numbers.

[Caller Ken]

Also,

[Peter Rosenberg]

John Carlos Stanton, Chris Kishner tweeted re injured his calf. Boone says he is going to have a slow week this week. Not a lot of baseball activities and not any running, so.

[Don]

Well, not any running. That's, that's a regular week, but that's no problem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's.

[Don]

But the baseball activities you'd like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's. That, that's, that's not good. 1-800-919-3776. Oh, there was a guy that was going to go after us and he hung up.

[Don]

Gutless.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gutless. Gorgeous. A bad connection, but gutless. Seems more fun to go after him right now. I know you were read hot to talk about this because it is a big deal. Brendan Sorsby has been in the news, right. Texas Tech gets busted for gambling, gets suspended two games. How he's not kicked out of college football, God only knows, but doesn't make sense. He's decided, you know what? Forget college. I'm going to go into the supplemental draft. Now, do you want to know what the supplemental draft is? It's a draft in which you will kind of, for lack of a better word, bid on one of your draft picks rounds that you have and say, you know what? I'll give up a second round pick to take him in the supplemental draft. It's happened locally before. In 1992. That's how the Giants got Dave Brown. They sacrificed the first round pick because Bill Walsh thought he was the second coming at Joe Montana. He'd be wrong, but all right. And you said this was a conversation this morning on get up about, you know, the jets still needing a quarterback.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And if they like them. And Mike Tannenbaum said that maybe a second round pick could do it. Where do you stand on that, Jet fan? Would you give up a second round pick?

[Alan]

Well, let me just take this kid

[Peter Rosenberg]

in the supplemental draft.

[Alan]

Yeah, let me draw Peter in. So Brandon Sorsby was, as you know, bet on his games and has that fight with the ncaa. So that's why he's in this place. He normally would have just played this year for Texas Tech, his third school, and the expectation was that he has the type of talent that would have made him a top 10 pick in next year's NFL draft. He would be one of the top quarterbacks available in next year's draft. So because of this battle that he's having, he has decided, all right, forget it. I'm not going to deal with the college thing anymore. I want to make myself available to the NFL. So they will have these supplemental drafts. When this stuff happens, when a player just suddenly becomes available that doesn't have any NFL background. So now it becomes how bad do you want them? Because this is now as if you're jumping the gun on next year's draft and what it'll cost you is like what Don said, a. If you now it's a, it's a weighted lottery. So the jets, who were the number two pick in the draft, they'd have the second most chances to win the lottery, but it doesn't mean they would win it. And what's also here is what Don said the jets could put a bid in using, all right, next year's third round pick. But if another team bid a second round pick, they actually would win the, they would, they would get them. So it's all, it's a lot of chance going on here and how bad you want them. So from a Jet perspective, you could get a jump on next year's draft and get a quarterback of the future that would have been a top 10 pick who's got a lot of potential and talent without having to have another bad season and finish top, you know, with a, with a bottom five record. So it takes away the pressure of don't lose that game or don't win that game.

[Charles Barkley]

Right.

[Alan]

So that's why right now the jets, the Dolphins and the Browns are three franchises everybody's looking at to see would they try to scramble and try to land a quarterback that they might have been able to get next year's draft, get them early, get him in your, your facility and start developing them now. And so that's where it is and the jets are definitely a team that would be part of this. Mike T. I asked him, he said if I'm a Jets, I do it. I might, I might wager a third round pick or even my second because I got three first. Yeah, I know you're right. And I said, is he that good? He said, yes, he's that good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, but that, but the conversation to me is if he's that good, then yeah, you do it. Why wouldn't you do it? You don't have a quarterback but you

[Alan]

know, you bring controversy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's in. Is. Does it make it worth it to take that chance? Can he overcome that? Is that something that is too deep a scar to take the chance? For me, if you think he's good and I, all I have to do is give up a second round pick. I think he's worth the risk. But God, is that something that can follow him and, and hound him and really be a detriment to his development and him becoming a great quarterback?

[Alan]

Right. Does he have a true addiction that you'd have to then guide him through and get him help and hope that he doesn't deal with this? That's one. Two is, let's say you do win the bid and you get him now he becomes a media distraction. Constant conversations, a lot of stories about it, you know, and like this. Is this. Because this would be. He wouldn't be your backup quarterback, he'd be your third quarterback. I think, I think you'd want to develop him. He'd probably whatever suspension he would have to live with if there was a suspension. Because that's what happened I think with Terrell Pryor when he was in the supplemental draft, the, the NFL honored that suspension. So would they do the same thing here? So there's a lot of question marks, but for the jets in a big market with all this media coverage, is it a distraction that is worth it to you without any guarantee that he won't have a problem, that something might not happen? You'd have to do a lot of work and a lot of research on this. But Mike T. Told me the Talent's there. He's 6 5, got a great arm, couple arm angles, he can run. He was going to be a top 10 pick in next year's draft.

[Don]

I, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say, well, I think, I think this has been a good discussion. I think ground has been covered. I think the degenerate who is probably not going to end up being a Jet was a nice Chat and we should go back to the team that broke the 53 year drought in his world champions until Thursday at 6 o' clock when they kick us off.

[Alan]

Supplement draft probably won't take place till July. So that.

[Don]

That's why. So you're saying we have even more time to talk about.

[Alan]

We are early but because he just announced going to make himself available. This is something that if you're a Jet fan, you should pay close attention to. And I thought. I personally think. And I know I'm a Jets fan, but I personally think this is like one of these things that this is part of the service we provide is to just put this name out there, put the situation out there. We did it. Keep it in mind.

[Don]

I think we did a great job with it.

[Alan]

But you don't find this compelling at all.

[Don]

Next week, the jets are desperate to find future cool. The jets don't exist. New York Knicks next. I mean, I'm just being like, guys, I'm not a programmer. I get it. I'm not a programmer. But the most unifying popular team in the city won the championship. Until I am watching soccer at Calandra's on Friday at 3. If it's not, you know, a Hall of Famer, God forbid, has passed away. I don't know what words should be coming out of a mouth. That's not New York Knick basketball. It's all just opinion. There is stuff I want to say about this, about how badly I think the jets are not the organization to take on someone with any sort of character flaws. Disaster City, Stay away from it.

[Charles Barkley]

No interest.

[Don]

But I would save that for next week. That's just me personal.

[Alan]

There's my guy. Now you're. Now you're.

[Don]

No, I have thoughts, but it's Knicks time.

[Alan]

But you don't want to do. All right, you want to hear Nicks? Here's some Knicks. Deuce, McBride, McHale, Bridges and OG Anunoby. You know where they are right now?

[Don]

Hold on, let me take a guess. It's three. It's 5:39. At the soccer game at the World Cup.

[Alan]

They are. They're at the World Cup. How's that? The hardest ticket to get. Hardest place to get. And there they are. Three of them.

[Don]

Just love Chopper. How do you think they got there?

[Alan]

I don't know. It's a great question.

[Don]

But it's done. By the way, I think France.

[Alan]

Same exact outfit he's been wearing for the last three days.

[Don]

I'm here to report to everybody. I will give one bit of information from last night's fiesta where I saw the team.

[Alan]

Tell the new audience again. Tell the new audience.

[Don]

It's five, it's 5:30. Good friend of mine, Skyler Astin, phenomenal actor, star of the Pitch Perfect films. He is very, is friendly with the Brunsons in some way, I think, particularly Jalen's sister. And he was invited to this fiesta last night and his beautiful wife Chloe was unable to go. And he said, peter, would you like to join me at Jalen Brunson's celebratory event? And I said, I think we have a drop. You bet your ace is what I said. So went to this party, shout out to Spin King, great music, great vibes, team was there, got to chit chat and say hello, congratulate everyone. Was just sort of a fly on the wall and had a good time. But I am here to report that Og Anunoby, his eyes were open. He was fully awake and having normal conversation with like he was emoting. He was like a living. Because if you saw him earlier in the day on Good Morning America, there is reason to believe, Don, that he took something that if they gave it to you in the parking lot, you'd want to test it out. It was, I don't know if you saw the face that I'm referring to Alan, but he looked like he was on another planet altogether.

[Alan]

He was giving me Weekend at Bernie's vibes. He was giving dead. I mean, yeah, it was a Jace.

[Caller Barry]

He was.

[Don]

They, they asked him a question. George Stephanopoulos and Strahan asked a question and I think it was kind of directed towards Og and he just completely ghosted and the whole team just looked over at him and fell out laughing because like he just was on another planet. The only other funniest thing I think I saw yesterday and the clips I saw of Fallon were tremendous. Spike Lee was on there, was awesome. Wu Tang crushed it, all that. But I think my favorite, my favorite part, they had them all out together and Mike Brown came out and did the who let the dogs out again? Don. The look of embarrassment and cringe on the faces of the play of Katie and Jalen as coaches singing who let the dog Alan, it's like legitimate. My dad is here.

[Alan]

Oh, that's 100% what it looks, embarrassment. And if you

[Peter Rosenberg]

lost Alan, he had a microphone mouth.

[Don]

Don, have you ever seen someone fade themselves out mid conversation has been quite the day.

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[Don]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Don]

Oh, Conversation's been had.

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It's out There who will be playing an hour before and an hour after the show. It's all brought to you by Spike Dade Boost Mobile, Miller lite Fanatics Fest NYC and the New Jersey Lottery. Must be at least 21 years of age to enter. Alan, you were going to say something and then you had mic issues. I don't know, some may call them performance issues. Wow, your mic.

[Alan]

Time for everything. It was before the moment was lost. It was about what happened on Fallon. But now I'm. I'm now caught up in what. What song choice this is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's an interesting choice. It's.

[Alan]

Oh, boy. Outside the box.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Caller Jose]

Not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not LL Cool J outside the box.

[Alan]

Like, it's Rob outside the box.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's rock. But is it?

[Alan]

Is it, Is it, like, what? Can I guess an era? Can you give me an era?

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Late 60s, early 70s? I'll get you the exact year of the song.

[Caller Ken]

Oh, wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

While we're doing that, Ken White Plains is back. He's the guy that I said, oh, he was gonna go after Alan and I, and he dropped and let's go. Allegations were thrown out, but he's back. What's up, man? Hey, guys.

[Caller Ken]

Hey. Love the show. Been listening since 2009. Alan, love you. Yeah, I wanted to make. I wanted to say something about Jalen Brunson that stood out to me. You know, we talk a lot growing up in sports about being a good teammate, not being a ball hog, picking people up, shaking hands, all that stuff. Next play mentality and as kids like those sound like simple lessons. But what's remarkable is seeing Brunson still living those values at the absolute highest level of basketball. He told the story the other day after Josh Hart missed that dunk. I think it was game four and Hart had his head down. And Brunson tells a story about how he went up to Hart and told him, get up and move on. And that hit me because at this level in the NBA, the speed, pressure, physicality, the best players in the world, where you think talent is a separator, you see someone like Brunson shows that mindset and leadership still matter. And for me, that's. That's where he really sets him apart, you know, from so many other athletes I've seen today. And, of course, being a Knicks fan, it's just remarkable and something special to see. And I didn't want this, you know, the post championship, you know, you know, exuberance to end without at least me getting a chance to share. So I appreciate you taking the call?

[Caller Barry]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No problem. He's special. And you know what makes this team special?

[Caller Joe]

Let's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's be honest, okay? Not every athlete's destination, their. Their mission statement is to win a championship. Some of them do it because they want to get rich. Some of them do it because they want the personal fame of being the greatest. This team, it felt like especially Brunson, mission statement was a championship.

[Alan]

Put the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Put. Put the egos aside, and for Brunson, put the money aside and let's go get a ring. And I can't fathom in my mind that that wouldn't be the mission statement for every athlete, but guys, you know, it's not. Some guys are perfectly happy to make their money, be famous, get the girls, get the. Get the commercials, get. Get the glory and be. And yeah, they'd like to win a championship, but it's not the most important thing. For Brunson and this team, it was number one, two, and three on the list of the most important things they wanted to do, and it showed.

[Alan]

And the mindset thing is. Is a real thing. And I know some people roll their eyes sometimes when you do mindset stuff, there's a, you know, there's a part of. There's. There's those of us who stop on all those, you know, memes and read them and. Or listen to them and think about it, and there's people that are like, this is waste of time. But mindset does really matter a lot in sports and where your head's at and how you can handle any type of adversity, how you get through the adversity moments where you. Your nerves are shot, all those things. And I. He's. That's something that. Very underrated by him, very remarkable, but also in what he did in that moment, which is, again, a phrase now I'm always going to use next play energy, which is something that. That's what they're about. Okay, so you made a mistake. He said, I've never been afraid to fail. And it's a real thing with him. Never been afraid to fail. He. Just because you make a mistake, all right, next play, that mistake is erased. If I now do something great on the next play, you totally forget about it. And so he was telling Josh, all right, that happened, but we still need you to do something great. So let go of that so that we.

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[Alan]

You can do something great. That's the part, I think, that I don't think a lot of people know about Brunson, but that's probably the secret sauce to his success more than anything else.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Barry in la. You're on espn, New York.

[Caller Barry]

Hey, guys, thanks so much for taking the call on the. I just wanted to chime in a little bit, you know, on the Mount Rushmore stuff. Sure, Alan. I totally agree with your four, because I do think you got to go, you know, 21st century, you got to go different teams. The one thing when you guys were talking about all time, and I think this is gonna probably irritate a bunch of you guys, I don't think you could put the Islanders, the Devils or the Nets in New York Mount Rushmore. You know, I think you have to. If you're to win a championship, I think you have to be down the canyon of heroes. And if you're going to hold your Stanley Cups like on the Henson Turnpike,

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think that's not. Listen, here's the. Here's.

[Alan]

I know what he's trying to say, but market is still market.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's like yo, yo's who think, you know, including Buffalo, the Sabres and the Bill. No, come on. It's in the market. And the Devils and the Islanders and the Nets are in the market. But one of the, one of the criteria for at least me, and I think you guys agreed was the buzz. And as much as Alan loves the Islanders and I love the Devils and, and there are net fans out, you know how big a deal you have to be to create a buzz. If Marty Brodeur played for the Rangers, there would be a statue outside Madison Square Garden and there would be a buzz. But you know, seven miles away across that river, it's a different world. If Jason Kidd was doing with the Knicks that he did with the Nets,

[Alan]

no doubt there'd be a buzz. Yeah, it's just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the reality. And I accept it. And I think Islander fans accept it too. I don't think it has anything to do with the, you know, not being in the Canyon of Heroes or Hempstead Turnpike.

[Alan]

I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is what it is, man. I mean, it's a, it's a smaller version of what's going on. It doesn't make it unimportant. It's just that, yeah, it's hard to create the buzz.

[Don]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, and the Devils and the Islanders have had players that are every bit as good, if not better than anybody that's played for the Rangers or the Yankees or the Knicks or the Giants. But it just, it is what it is. You know, you're. You're not. You just don't have. You don't have the fan base to create the buzz, so that's where I would look for it.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Don]

I don't want to know how the

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I just want to know it's good.

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