Hour 3: Murray to Jets?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – "Hour 3: Murray to Jets?" (March 3, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the rumor and potential implications of Kyler Murray, recently released by the Arizona Cardinals, joining the New York Jets. Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg dig deep into both the quarterback market and the existential malaise of being a Jets fan. The trio segments the conversation between football analysis, organizational dysfunction, and fan psyche—with healthy doses of New York sarcasm and realism.

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1. Kyler Murray to the Jets: A Serious Possibility?

• News Update: Kyler Murray has been released by the Arizona Cardinals and is seeking a new opportunity where he can start, rehabilitate his reputation, and set himself up for a contract in 2027. (00:59)

• The Case For the Jets:

  • Don & Peter’s View: Both see little downside for the Jets in pursuing Murray on a veteran minimum, one-year deal, especially given their desperate QB situation.
    • "I don't see a downside." – Don (03:11)
    • "If all of a sudden the music stops and the Jets are the only chair and he's got to take the veteran minimum, I'm taking that chance because I don't see any real downside to it." – Don, (09:22)
  • Alan’s Reservations: Alan is less convinced, citing Murray’s injuries, leadership questions, and doubts about whether a quick fix solves deeper franchise issues.
    • "I think I need to take a step away from this because I really am... I'm numb." – Alan, (04:31)
    • "He has limited options. His career completion percentage is a good number…He gets hurt a lot…He's certainly not a leader of men. And by the way, he's barely 5'10." – Alan, (03:23)

• Veteran Reclamation Comparison:

  • Murray likened to "a younger Jameis Winston," a once-elite prospect with a damaged reputation possibly looking for a reboot, and to late-career Russell Wilson. (05:22)
  • Emphasis that the Jets wouldn't be relying on only one QB—a competition scenario is likely. (05:08)

QUOTES:

• Don: “I was just painting the word picture for you that maybe he doesn't want to go to be the backup. He wants to go someplace where he's got a chance to win a job, play, change his reputation...” (02:55)
• Peter: "Kyler Murray is better than Justin Fields." (12:12)
• Don: "Kyler Murray’s an actual quarterback." (12:19)

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2. The State of the Jets Quarterback Market

• Additional Options?
  • Discussion about other QB markets: Cleveland, Minnesota (considered more attractive than the Jets), Atlanta ("project-turnaround" team), Miami dismissed as an unlikely suitor. (07:45–08:24)
• Malik Willis Mentioned:
  • Alan: "Does Malik Willis now become second favorite out of all the available quarterbacks? Because Kyler Murray might...go ahead of him because of experience." (09:47)
  • Jets seen as possibly "chairless" at the music stop, in worst shape in the QB market. (09:47–10:35)

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3. Fanbase Frustration & The 'Tanking' Debate

• Fan Callers Weigh In

  • Howard (Boston): Calls wishing for a 3-win season to get a better draft pick, expressing long-term frustration. (12:47)
    • Alan: "The year before a good quarterback is when we suck...It never works out." (13:28)
  • Matt (New Jersey): Advocates for incremental respectability, not a quick “magic pill” or tanking, and favors bringing in someone like Murray to stabilize. (23:30–24:29)
  • Mateo (New Jersey): Emphatically against another tanking year, worried about lasting damage to the fanbase and business. Wants an 8-win season. (31:47–32:44)

• Hosts on Tanking

  • Don: Firmly against tanking, citing the corrosive effect on the organization, staff, and fans. (14:00–15:09, 33:48–34:20)
  • Alan: Sympathetic to both sides but recognizes the “vicious cycle”:
    • "Fifteen years of this over and over and over again." (15:35)
    • "We deserve this. Really, we deserve this." (35:45)
  • The cycle of poor timing, bad draft luck, and organizational dysfunction becomes a recurring theme—Jets can't seem to bottom out and recover at the right moments. (13:28; 26:14; 34:35+)

QUOTE:

• Peter: "This is not football. These people deserve better than this." (35:42)

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4. Organizational Dysfunction & Psychological Toll

• Ownership/Front Office Distrust:
  • Alan: "If that's the conversation, then do everybody do themselves a favor and stop being a Jet fan. Because Woody's not going anywhere, right? So let's not even talk about it then, because if Woody's going to get his fat hands in, ... you're never winning." (30:52)
  • Persistent theme: Even a promising move—a la Aaron Rodgers last year—can't escape the malaise, because the organization is seen as broken at the top. (44:57–46:04)
• The Sad Sack Cycle:
  • Alan reflects on “Stockholm syndrome” of Jets fandom, wearing misery as a badge of honor, and how the cycle of hoping for a “miracle savior” QB perpetuates failure. (41:48–46:04)
  • Don: "You're going to get what you asked for. So this is what drives me crazy. It's this stupid cycle we just keep going through." (15:35)

QUOTE:

• Alan: "It's almost like we've made an industry of being the sad sack fanbase." (44:57)
• Alan: "You really don't love football or care about your team or you love the idea of being part of something that is so miserable. It gives you an identity and everybody feels sorry for you." (46:04)

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5. Notable Quotes & Moments

• Jet Fan Identity Crisis (35:23–35:48)
  • Peter: “This is not football…These people deserve better than this.”
  • Alan: “No, we don’t. We deserve this. Really, we deserve this.”
• What Would a Murray Move Actually Signal?
  • Don: “As long as you as an organization say Kyler Murray is not my future…He’s going to use us to try to build up his numbers…He is not our guy.” (08:39)
  • Alan: "There’s not many quarterbacks that are going to be available to help you…that are not via the draft, of course." (10:36)
• The Poison and Cure (17:23)
  • Alan: “The difference between the poison and the cure is the dose, fellas.”
• Caller: Winning Not the Point
  • Howard: "For the first time ever, I am praying for a three win season. And what quarterback gives us the best chance at that?" (13:12)

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6. Important Timestamps (MM:SS)

• [02:55] – Kyler Murray’s release and Jets angle introduced
• [04:31] – Alan’s numbness and doubts
• [05:22] – Veteran reclamation project debate: Winston, Wilson, Murray
• [09:22] – Don on Murray-as-bridge, only for the minimum
• [12:12] – Peter: “Kyler Murray is better than Justin Fields”
• [13:28] – Alan: “The year before a good quarterback is when we suck…”
• [15:35] – Alan on the cycle of misery: “15 years of this over and over…”
• [26:53] – The risk in signing Murray
• [35:23] – Peter & Alan’s existential Jets despair exchange
• [41:48] – Alan: “We deserve this…badge of honor” rant

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7. Tone & Style

• The hosts oscillate between sarcasm, earnest fan lament, and analytical breakdown.
• Callers are passionate, mostly frustrated, but with some seeking hope or incremental progress.
• The show captures the exhausting tension between rebuild, tanking, and desperate hope for respectability—a raw, honest snapshot of New York Jets fandom.

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Conclusion

This episode is a clinic in sports radio group therapy: news-driven speculation about Kyler Murray’s fit with the Jets quickly blossoms into a vulnerable examination of what it means to be a Jets fan in an era of perpetual disappointment. The trio offers both measured football arguments for and against the Murray move and lays bare their emotional exhaustion with the franchise’s narrative.

If you’re a Jets fan, this episode is equal parts catharsis and cautionary tale—a must-listen if you want to understand why no move, no matter how logical, ever feels like an escape.

Transcript

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[Peter Rosenberg]

We're still.

[Alan Hahn]

We're still doing it. You see, like, honestly, like, they, like,

[Peter Rosenberg]

we don't have to.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, at some point, you're gonna have to make a decision.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's totally time.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah, just.

[Alan Hahn]

That's it. That's it.

[Don La Greca]

I made it. Start again. Start over again. Cool, man. I made a decision, but I spit in your face, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I'm gonna lay out. It's over, so try again. I'm a layup.

[Don La Greca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Hopefully Jacob will help you out here.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, don't. That's.

[Don La Greca]

Stop it. Stop it.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I'm not.

[Don La Greca]

I'm gonna say this, all right? That anybody. This includes you, Peter. Yeah, that plays the Carlin drop. At this point, it's just me. And you can't tell me that you like Chris Carlin.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love Chris Carlin. I didn't play it there, but I will play it again.

[Don La Greca]

All right, so Jacob's got his hands up in a negative, but all of a sudden, one hand sprung up in the back of the room and it was Anthony. You can't say you've got a decent relationship with Chris Garland if you play that.

[Alan Hahn]

I love Chris.

[Don La Greca]

You can say that Love just a four letter word, but your actions say something else. It's hurtful.

[Alan Hahn]

Not me that time. Not me.

[Don La Greca]

Here we go. All right, ready? Game time is brought to you by Telemardu Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time, guys, it's totally time. All right? The Knicks visit the Raptors with coverage immediately following us on 880. At 7 o', clock, St. John's takes on Georgetown at MSG with coverage on 1050. Starting at 6:40. The Nets are in Miami to face off against the heat at 7:30. And the Devils are home for the Florida Panthers at 7 at games on TNT. That's why I'm available. Tully. More to the original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast matured Iris whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew. Honey, during today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullamore Dew responsibly. So Kyler Murray, released by the Cardinals. That'll be made official by Wednesday. He's already said goodbye to the fans. He's done and I don't think he'll be available. I think somebody will take a chance on him. But I was just painting the word picture for you that maybe he doesn't want to go to be the backup. He wants to go someplace where he's got a chance to win a job, play, change his reputation, build up his numbers. So when he becomes a free agent again in 2027, he's got a chance to make a decent living and maybe the jets could get him on the cheap. Peter and I say I don't see a downside.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't.

[Don La Greca]

But Alan, you don't seem convinced.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Allen's adding caveats. If we add caveats of. Well, if you have to sign them to extension. I'm not talking about any of that.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's the. I guess the problem there is that I'm worried about what would you know if you're representing him like this is the number one pick, right? This is not a guy you know, I know the Pro bowl is not what it used to be, but he was the rookie of the year. He has made Pro Bowls. He doesn't suck, but he has limited options. His career completion percentage is a good number. Like he can play. He gets hurt a lot. He's had those issues there. He's certainly not a leader of men. And by the way, he's barely 5 10. So there's negatives and positives.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How many options you know his agent

[Alan Hahn]

is going to look, there's going to be a team or two, that's it,

[Don La Greca]

that wants to bring him, then there's no issue.

[Alan Hahn]

And if it turns into like, like why wouldn't the Cleveland Browns want in on this?

[Don La Greca]

They might because they've got 700 quarterbacks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How many bad quarterbacks do they need?

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I know. But none of them. He'd be adding yet another like not great option to the what is the

[Don La Greca]

jets of their contract? Is he Cook? That's it. Like they'd have no quarterbacks.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, yeah, Fields is on a one year, right.

[Don La Greca]

But he's Got. You know, listen, you got so much money into the cap.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I need to do here? Because I think I need to. I need to take a step away from this, because I really am. Like, I don't have emotion anymore. I don't. I'm numb. And I keep finding reasons to, like, what could go wrong. And so I need a. I need jets fans who want this to talk me into it.

[Don La Greca]

I don't. I. But. But here's the thing. I don't see what could go wrong.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

Oh, in camp, he showed up late because he was playing video games. All right, cut. He can't complete a pass in a preseason game. Cut.

[Alan Hahn]

And then what?

[Don La Greca]

Oh, what do I get?

[Alan Hahn]

What do you got in training camp? Then what?

[Don La Greca]

Well, I mean, you obviously got to build up. I'm not saying he's your only quarterback. I brought in a guy for the veteran minimum. So what? You know, I still have. I could still have fields there, because I don't want to. You want to do what the Giants

[Alan Hahn]

did, and you bring in two guys that could start you as vets.

[Don La Greca]

You know, it's funny you bring that up. I was just going to say he's a younger version of Jameis Winston. Bad reputation. Former first overall pick.

[Alan Hahn]

He's more like Russell Wilson. Right. Later on.

[Don La Greca]

But Kyler Murray's 28. James Winston's 32.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don La Greca]

He was stealing crab legs and he was a mess.

[Alan Hahn]

No, that was in college.

[Don La Greca]

But what I'm saying is that both of them had damaged reputations. They were first four overall picks, and they looked like they were cooked. And then the Giants brought him in with almost no intention of playing them. And the next thing you know, he's doing some great things in Detroit and playing well to the point where I think the new regime is going to resign him and bring him back.

[Alan Hahn]

But Jameis wasn't a starter at that point. He was already in New Orleans like he had. He hadn't been a starter since. Since Tampa, since Tom Brady came in and understood.

[Don La Greca]

I said he's a younger version of Jameis Winston.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, Kyler has.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Kyler could be looking for a reclamation project. That's what you're saying.

[Alan Hahn]

Two of the last three years, he didn't even get to 10 games.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

He's hurt, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

So in his mind, he could believe he still has a shot to become the guy somewhere. But guess what? He's now getting cut, and it's going to be approved. Me here, and he's. He's going to go, what?

[Don La Greca]

What?

[Alan Hahn]

Better. What better place to go to prove me well but where are the other place that is so desperate for something he'll get all the coverage and this. No, no, I'm serious.

[Don La Greca]

Oh yeah, I agree.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't want to go try to prove it in Cleveland.

[Alan Hahn]

No. I know again for him there's a lot of reasons to look at the jets and think this is exactly where you want to go. Because I'll tell you the story of a guy named Ryan Fitzpatrick who the jets signed and nobody thought a thing of him because they had a guy named Geno Smith. Then Geno Smith got punched in his chin by a teammate and Ryan Fitzpatrick suddenly became the starter and then he became Fitzmagic and everybody fell in love with him. And all because he helped The jets win 10 games.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

And that's all it well they didn't make the playoffs. But that's what can happen when you go to a sad sack franchise that doesn't have anything nice is that whatever you do is exponentially bigger. And how about this New York and it's the Jets. But you could also argue go to Minnesota where they don't under. They don't know their quarterback situation and they have a great quarterback coach. They have a head coach that just works magic with these guys that go in there. That's where you go steal the job from McCarthy and then you reclimate your your career.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. So by the way the best receivers you could possibly want to throw to Minnesota is intriguing. Cleveland is not Miami.

[Alan Hahn]

So does the better.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Miami will not be interested. Miami will not be interested. They're not. They're not going from to a tongue of a lower to Kyler Murray doesn't make it literally the same situation. I want to go to an off injury undersized quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

No, that's good point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not they're not doing that. So Minnesota's probably the most daunting one you got.

[Alan Hahn]

Look at the two guys you have to throw to there. That that makes sense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Atlanta's also an interesting one.

[Alan Hahn]

A coach that that just takes reclamation projects and turns them into something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. So they can go somewhere else.

[Alan Hahn]

Well which by the way is what

[Peter Rosenberg]

you want to do if you're coming.

[Don La Greca]

Now the reason now here's I'll give you a reason why maybe you say no is because of what you said. Ryan Fitzpatrick go out there, you win 10 games. He has a phenomenal season and you

[Alan Hahn]

got to sign him.

[Don La Greca]

I got to sign him and the jets did and he played another year and it fell flat. Fell flat. And but as long as you as an organization say Kyler Murray is not my future, like we're going to use him to bridge, he's going to use us to try to build up his numbers. All right, I want to try to win some games. He might be able to do that. Good for him. Hopefully he'll sign a big time free agent contract someplace else. He is not our guy. Now if he goes out there and wins the mvp, maybe you got to, you know, reevaluate and say maybe, maybe we got to bring this guy back. Yeah, you know, and now you're in a really good spot. I mean that, that's if everything comes together. But I am intrigued by the fact that there could be something there and it's, and there's, and for the veteran minimum now, like you said, if all of a sudden it becomes a bidding war, I'm out. If he says I'm not coming unless you give me a multi year contract, I'm out. But if all of a sudden the music stops and the jets are the only chair and he's got to take the veteran minimum, I'm taking that chance because I don't see any real downside to it.

[Alan Hahn]

I get it. I could also use this to my advantage because if you'd rather go with something a little safer and you like Malik Willis and you think, does Malik Willis now become second favorite out of all the available quarterbacks? Because Kyler Murray might, might be somebody that would go ahead of him because of his experience. I mean, he's, you know, he's made 87 starts in his career, so now I can maybe get the quarterback. I kind of thought I wasn't going to be able to get because I was told Jeremy Fowler, my good friend who covers NFL for ESPN and knows a lot of stuff, he said to me, well, the jets in the quarterback game of musical chairs will be the team that doesn't have a chair left. That's what he believes. From what he's hearing, they're not an attractive place.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

And there's not many quarterbacks that are going to be, going to be available to help you, you know, that are not via the draft, of course. And he didn't think, he thought there were more needs than there were quarterbacks. But if you add him to the

[Don La Greca]

mix, yeah, you're throwing him in the mix.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe you end up with somebody that you didn't think you'd get.

[Don La Greca]

I just think it's at bare minimum, it's another name to throw on your list of potential quarterbacks for the jets in 20, 26.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I don't. It just doesn't. It doesn't move me enough. And I don't know if it's me. Maybe it's just me. I'll be the first to admit it. This might be one where I'm, I can't see it anymore because I'm just so beaten down.

[Don La Greca]

Well, that's going to be with anybody. I mean, you're, you're not. These are slim pickings to begin with. You're, you're, you're either getting aging quarterbacks like cousins just trying to hang on another year.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don La Greca]

You're getting reclamation projects like what you have with, with Kyler Murray.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

Or you're trying to get a guy in Willis who. There's a, There's a significant amount of unknown who you're gonna have to pay through the nose for to find out. Like, so everybody's coming in and either damaged goods or a complete unknown.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don La Greca]

And it's. That's. But that's why Murray to me is attractive, because there is no, there's literally no downside.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what you're hoping for.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not wanting to have another guaranteed 20 or 30 million dollars to someone whose ceiling is right above where we can touch it from our seat.

[Don La Greca]

Fields seemed cheap at the time. It's not. This is not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is cheap. And by the way, Kyler Murray is better than Justin Fields.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

He actually hit a target.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He can hit a target.

[Don La Greca]

No, Kyler Murray's an actual quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

He can play.

[Don La Greca]

I love bringing in and all sport humbled athletes. You know, he's got everything to prove now and he's got a lot of to prove. And maybe the jets are attracted to him, if not for the money, but for the fact that, hey, I might, I might get 17 opportunities here to try to prove everybody wrong. Your thoughts? 1-800-919-3776 Howard is in Boston. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Howard?

[Caller]

Hey guys, thanks so much for taking the call. Appreciate it and hope you're all doing well. Hey, Alan, I'm in the same boat as you, man. I'm a 45 year Jet fan and I'm just sick to my stomach of what we're dealing with. But at the end of the day, what we don't need is five, six or seven wins, right? And then have to trade up our capital to move up for a better quarterback. So I'm praying for the first time ever, I am praying for a three win Season. And what quarterback gives us the best chance at that?

[Alan Hahn]

I'd resign Fields if I could cook cookies. You the best chance at that.

[Don La Greca]

They're not going to, they're not going to do that.

[Rich Eisen]

They can't do.

[Don La Greca]

Otherwise you would have let hall walk.

[Alan Hahn]

It just. You know what this is. Here we go. You want to really commiserate. This is so typical of us, isn't it? The year before a good quarterback is when we suck. The year before the good quarterback draft, it's the same thing as having the number two pick instead of the number one pick when Trevor Lawrence was there. It's just this is so us. This is who we are. We can never. The timing is never right. It never works out. So now you got to suck for another year. I know you means fire the coach, fire everybody. Misery. It, it just.

[Don La Greca]

But I'm telling you, you got to get that thought out of your mind. I, I, I get it, I understand it. It makes sense. But you talk to people around the end. You just can't do it. You just can't keep losing year after year after year.

[Alan Hahn]

I know.

[Don La Greca]

And then you're going to fire another coach and now your general manager is going to be up against it because now that's two losing seasons for him. That's two drafts that did barefoot. Because again, you don't suck in a vacuum. Right? I guess technically you do because the vacuum is supposed to suck.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well done.

[Don La Greca]

But you don't lose in a vacuum because there's gotta be reasons why you lose. So that ends up being on Muji's resume. Now, if you tell me they all collectively get together and go, let's tank. All right, let's sign the worst quarterback. Let's let Breece hall walk. Let's trade Garrett Wilson for nothing. Let's just have everybody be awful and then everybody gets to keep their job. But in the real world, building a team to try to win and then winning three games means your coaches out of a job. I think Muji would survive, but definitely would be on death's door. All those players now have another year of losing and they're going to want to get out. It just. You got, you got to start winning some games, guys. Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, as much. But that's the point though, is that, that's why I said to you last week how conflicted fans are going to be with a year like this because of what we're being told is coming in next year's draft when it comes to quarterbacks and the whole idea of the savior and then what you know, you are. And to live through another year, we. It's easy to say this in the off season, we got a tank again. But then you get to, like, late October, early November, and you're miserable and everybody, oh, all the lunatics who like to, you know, again, hijack the moment on social media, they go viral and the jets get mocked and made fun of again because look, look at. They're putting their fans through again when. This is exactly what you asked for. And this is what we're going to get. You're going to get what you asked for. So this is what drives me crazy. It's this stupid cycle we just keep going through. Oh, we should tank. We have to. We have to lose another year. We have to do it. We have to get this guy. Can't coach, get rid of him, and then get the quarterback in next year's draft. And then this is easy to say in March, it's easy to say even in June and July. But you'll get to October, you'll get to November, and then you'll start screaming and yelling again. Woe is me. The misery, all the calamity of being a Jets fan when it's this, it's literally, it's the medicine you wanted. This is what drives me crazy about this process. Fifteen years of this over and over and over again.

[Don La Greca]

And I got news for you. As great as Arch Manning may be or whatever the quarterbacks to come out, if you've got the kind of dysfunction like you still need a coach, you still need a general manager, you still need an organization that can work, you know, I understand the quarterback is a major, major piece, but it's not going to work if it's the only thing there that works. So losing means that everything you put together didn't work again. Got to get another coach and at the same time, another general manager.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And at the same time, you have to get a quarterback who can at least play a bit to find out if you have anything that works. Because if you don't have a quarterback who can play it out at all, you don't. Can't find out anything about your offense.

[Don La Greca]

And then you've got $93 million of cap space. Nobody wants to come to your team because you know what? They. They don't know what they're doing.

[Alan Hahn]

And now you got to overpay. For. For who? It's. It's just. It's over and over again. The difference between the poison and the cure is the dose, fellas.

[Don La Greca]

I know it's it's, it's crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I mean?

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And that's what we're doing here is your. It's the poison and the cure.

[Don La Greca]

All right. Tons of people want to talk about this. At 1-800-919-3776. We've got ENN coming up at 6 o'. Clock. We've got the last call crew. We've got a full show till seven and it's Knicks basketball here on ESPN New York.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don La Greca]

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[Alan Hahn]

Let's go.

[Don La Greca]

Let's go to Matt. Matt is in New Jersey. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Matt?

[Caller]

How you doing? Thanks for taking the call. You know, real quick, I just wanted to touch on the Fitzpatrick that second season, the reason that failed. Remember, he held out at the beginning of the year. He wanted like 20 million a year and he helped. The timing was never right. When he got back, he was injured for part of the year and that's why that. That didn't work. You know, and here's the thing. There's no magic pill that's going to bring the jets from where they are to a Super bowl. But they need to get respectable and they need to do it incrementally. And if you look at Kyler Murray, is he the answer? Is he going to be a Super bowl winning guy?

[Alan Hahn]

Really?

[Caller]

I don't think so, no. But I know after 7 years, his stats are better than Baker Mayfield's. They were better than Drew Brees. And with the right offensive coordinator with stability, can he bring stability to the jets and respectability? I don't think that's out of the question. And that's the first step that the jets really need to take into building what can be a legitimate playoff threat, you know, two, three years down the road.

[Don La Greca]

See, that's. That's the logic, Matt. And because everybody thinks, like you said, whether it's, you know, a quick fix or, you know, trust the process or some Jimmy switching the system to find a Cheat code to get there quicker, you've got to function as an organization. They're not even functioning as an organization right now. Now, I'm not telling you Kyler Murray can do that. But I also could tell you that at 28 years old, he's put up some numbers. Alan gave you how many games he's played in the National Football League. My motivation as an organization, as much as this pains Jet fans to hear, is to go out there and win as many games as you can in 20, 26 or don, and you're not going to be able to get the quarterback. I. First things first. Too many times you had the quarterback. You had Sam Darnold.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

But you didn't function as an organization and he left. Maybe if you were a little bit more functioning after Rex Ryan, maybe Sanchez would have worked out better. Zach Wilson, that was a bust, all right. That was just a bad pick. But you can't tell me all these picks, Allen, were bad. Some of them were just. You weren't ready for these quarterbacks. Make sure you're ready for the quarterback, that you have a coach, you have a general manager, that you have the pieces in place to start moving forward. And you still, as much as you cringe at it, still have the ability with all these draft picks that if you love a quarterback next year, you still could trade up to get it. All of a sudden, you went from a team that hasn't gotten to the plus in 15 years that you want everything to be perfect, get the quarterback, have all the money under the cap, still have all the draft equity. Yeah, in a perfect world, that'd be great. But in order to do that, you got to continue to be bad. And that just eats away at an organization and makes it even more of a joke.

[Alan Hahn]

I think a lot of people's pushback on you there, John. Everything you said, I agree with, but as I'm trying to be a contrarian.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

The argument is. Is, like, what's one more year? It's been 15. Like. Like, is one more year going to tarnish the reputation of his franchise any more than it already has been? I mean, it has been soiled and sullied. Like, there's nothing more you could possibly do to this franchise. What you're arguing one more year. All right, One more year isn't going to kill you.

[Don La Greca]

Then what you're arguing is that the organization decides we're going to tank. We're. We're going to try not to win Muji's back, Glenn's back. Because we're going to lose on purpose.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, not lose on. No, no, you're going to lose because you're just not going to be good enough. But I'm also not going to waste money or assets on a quarterback that I know is not going to advance the cause enough to get us where we need to get right. The risk with Murray is the fact that he played. So two years ago he played 17 games, but he played eight games a year before that and five games this past season. His availability has been a major issue lately. Oh, yeah, right. But he's also, by the way, he's never part of winning. His teams don't win. He's averaged seven wins a season for seven years.

[Don La Greca]

But because of the money that you hope you spend on him.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

That pivoting away from him doesn't. Doesn't hurt you. Like, I'm not telling you that you're gonna have Cook and Murray and bring it back. Tyrod Taylor and go, okay, we're good. I'm saying that to bring him in as part of your room, have him battle for the job. Hey, best case scenario, he wins the job and he plays well for you. Worst case scenario, he's cut. Now, the reason fields was bad because

[Alan Hahn]

no way Murray stepping into that at 28 years old.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But hold on. But real, just. Just for the right. There's no way that would happen. It's like Don, they can view it that way. But Kyler Murray in this group will win the job. I guarantee it.

[Don La Greca]

He will. He will be. But I'm not. But I'm saying that you could. But you could still maybe you draft a quarterback at 16. All right.

[Alan Hahn]

So add that to the equation. Now you got my interest.

[Don La Greca]

All right, well, but however it is, is that you're going to have to bring in somebody that can play quarterback for you in 2026. You don't have that right now.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, you do. You could. You could. You could make the case that Justin Fields, we paid him for two years, he's going to play for two years. We're going to draft a guy and that's what we're going with going forward. And then next year where we are, we'll do it again until we get it right.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

That you. All I'm saying is you could make the argument. You could make the case for doing that for. For kicking it down the road just one more time into the. Into a draft where there should be. There's expected to be a better talent pool of quarterbacks. I agree. It's a Risk. And I agree that at some point you've got to drag yourself out of the mud.

[Don La Greca]

Well, you're not doing it with Justin Fields, I'll tell you that.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you're not. You're not.

[Don La Greca]

And I don't know. Not saving his job with Justin Fields,

[Alan Hahn]

Kyler Murray, like, think about it. The Cardinals are paying him to go away. They drafted him.

[Don La Greca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

They're done. They're done because he hasn't turned into what they needed him to turn into as a number one overall pick.

[Don La Greca]

And they're ready to move on.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. So that's why. It's just that there's something that doesn't feel right about all this.

[Don La Greca]

Well, that's. That's. But every. Everybody. Atlanta was done with with Kirk Cousins, right. When you got Justin Fields, the Bears were done with. The Steelers were done with them. After the Bears were done with them. All the quarterbacks are going to be available to you.

[Alan Hahn]

Or Giants were done with Daniel Jones.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah. You know, and. And listen, and Willis will. The reason Willis is attractive is because he's landlocked because of love.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

You know, so.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but he was already given up on by his. The team that drafted him.

[Don La Greca]

Right. And now, you know, and that's going to cost you a fortune because there's going to be tons of teams. They're going to be offering him lots of money and the starting job.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, this is not an easy thing. And if I had better trust, I feel better about whatever decision they're making. But the problem is there just is no trust here right now.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah, but I think that Muji, even though it's only been a year, you don't. Other than reputation of the organization, the history of the organization, there's really no reason not to trust Muji.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not him. It's the guy above him.

[Don La Greca]

Well, then you're dead. No, honestly. Then you're dead. Because if that's the conversation, then do everybody do themselves a favor and stop being a Jet fan. Because Woody's not going anywhere. Right. So let's not even talk about it then, because if Woody's going to get his fat hands in, I'm just going to give you a little secret. You're never winning. All right? So all we can do is talk about the football of it all. I don't have an answer for Woody, but if you're worried about Woody, you have every reason to be worried about Woody, and he's not going anywhere.

[Alan Hahn]

I know.

[Don La Greca]

So it's like banging your head against the wall and expecting it not to hurt.

[Alan Hahn]

That's why I'm numb.

[Don La Greca]

At some point the first time, I'm like, oh, you banged his head. You okay? Second or third time, like something's wrong with Alan. He's banging his head against the wall.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. You know, that's what it feels like to be a Jets fan. Just so you know.

[Don La Greca]

First time, shame on you. Second time, shame on me.

[Alan Hahn]

Correct.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What about third time?

[Don La Greca]

Unconscious.

[Alan Hahn]

No. Third time,

[Don La Greca]

let's go to Mateo in New Jersey or on espn.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, Mattio, Mario.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, listen. We cannot tank another season.

[Don La Greca]

We cannot.

[Caller]

I. I stopped going a year ago because of the way things were going. I did not go this year at all. I know a lot of season ticket holders that were just giving away their tickets. They are going to lose a ton of money if they gonna. If they try to tank again because there's just nobody gonna. Nobody's gonna come back. We gotta take Simpson at 16 if the Browns don't take them. And we gotta get a vet if it's not just the Fields, Kyler Murray or somebody else.

[Don La Greca]

Well, that's the plan. But you're.

[Alan Hahn]

You're right. So. So Kyler Murray is someone. Matteo that you would be okay if they did something again. A very similar to Justin Fields type deal, right? A one plus one. You'd be fine with that.

[Caller]

I want to win eight games. I want to win eight games.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Don La Greca]

Now, whether. Whether Kyler Murray can do that for you or not is obviously debatable, but that's. That's the plan. I'm really glad we're getting some phone calls on this, guys, that it's not like, go get Geno Smith. He stinks. We're going to lose again and then we'll be able to get our quarterback. I like the mindset of let's put together the best team possible. I got Breece Hall. Right. I got Garrett Wilson and let's see if we can do. And we got an offensive line that wasn't too bad. I'm not. I'm not telling you. You're going to the playoffs.

[Alan Hahn]

That's.

[Don La Greca]

That schedule's a beast. But guys, you've got to function. And Woody Johnson's a billionaire, but he's right. Another year of nobody going to your games. Another year of the only time you're sold out is 70% of the building is rooting for the other team. Yeah. How long? Come on, how long? Man, the Buffalo Sabers, for people to don't follow hockey, look like they're going to snap the streak of 14 consecutive years, missing the playoffs, which means that the jets will stand alone as the longest streak without going to the postseason.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Congrats.

[Don La Greca]

I understand what Alan said.

[Alan Hahn]

We are the champ.

[Don La Greca]

Hey, what's another year? Well, just another year that. Because another year comes at the expense of another coach, maybe another general manager. And all this cap space, like, why would I want to play for the Jets? And listen, eight wins, seven wins doesn't wipe that away. But just show me, you know, what the hell you're doing. Unless you could pull off what the Giants pulled off and go out and to get the best available coach, which you might be in a position to do if you tank again. But who's the next John Harbaugh that's available? So. Mike Tomlin?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I mean, you got to wait a year, probably.

[Don La Greca]

You know, again, it's. I. I understand we have built up. The quarterback is the end all, be all. But there's other things that got to work right in order for that quarterback to excel.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where's my music again?

[Don La Greca]

Oh, interesting.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, sad music this is. No, no.

[Don La Greca]

You know what? I. I hope that was a joke.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here, let's start.

[Don La Greca]

Let's start it over again. I wanted it started cleaning.

[Alan Hahn]

Start it. Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jets fans, I'm sorry that we're doing this again. Now it's Kyler Murray. Every year, we're talking about whether or not you can sign Kyler Murray for the league minimum to be your bridge guy, to maybe win you as few games as possible so you can hope that next year you get a quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

The guy asked for eight wins. He wanted eight wins.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sorry.

[Alan Hahn]

That's our bar. Can we just do eight?

[Peter Rosenberg]

This shouldn't be. This is not football. This is not what it is to root for a team, hoping that you can somehow put together enough of something to encourage other people to come help you make your nothing into something that's not. What is this, Don? This isn't football. These people deserve better than this.

[Alan Hahn]

No, we don't. We don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, you do.

[Alan Hahn]

We deserve this. Really, we deserve this.

[Don La Greca]

Oh, that's an interesting take. I'd want to hear more from. From Alan when we come back.

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[Caller]

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[Don La Greca]

Brian Pata, senior defensive lineman from Miami

[Alan Hahn]

gunned down the key to this case. It's Brian.

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An hour before he died, he was

[Alan Hahn]

on the phone arguing with somebody. This might be a hit. You want the truth? They just want a conviction.

[Don La Greca]

Being placed under arrest. We had a killer amongst us.

[Rich Eisen]

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[Don La Greca]

Listen now.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don La Greca]

I gotta check now. We're back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, this is Tribe. This is Tribe called Gwen Safe.

[Don La Greca]

But they could be involved in a commercial like that. I don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. Cuz that song. That's not a real song.

[Don La Greca]

That.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're the one that tricks you.

[Don La Greca]

The. The song that tricked me was not a real song. J.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no, no.

[Alan Hahn]

That was an optimum commercial.

[Don La Greca]

I know it was an optimum, but

[Peter Rosenberg]

no, the song was like.

[Alan Hahn]

It was made for that. Like the zip recruiter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's an optimum song.

[Don La Greca]

Interesting. It sounded good. Like it sounded like something you might

[Peter Rosenberg]

want to spend time with.

[Don La Greca]

Well, not necessarily. It sounded good, but I didn't like it. Can both that. Can that be true that you didn't

[Peter Rosenberg]

hate it, but you also wouldn't go

[Don La Greca]

meaning it just sounded like it was professionally done. That this was something that might actually be a song that gets airplay that people pay money to see performed. But I don't like it. You get what I'm saying, Allen or no yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Because it's happened before.

[Don La Greca]

Well, apparently were the last show to have it happen, too.

[Alan Hahn]

There's been other commercials though, where it's like the, the whatever the music is in the commercial, the quality of the song feels right. Radio quality doesn't sound like a cheesy commercial song.

[Don La Greca]

No offense to this sponsor, but it wasn't like I was stepping on Cars for Kids. All right. Cars for Kids didn't fool me.

[Alan Hahn]

No, that'd be.

[Don La Greca]

You can't get up from that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are we still, by the way, are we still playing Cars for Kids?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

On our air. Absolutely still.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. Almost every other break. 1-877-cars-for kids.

[Don La Greca]

And he knows this why?

[Alan Hahn]

Because it's just, it's, it's, it just, it creeps into your ear. It's an ear just gets in. You get infected. I think we dropped in another six the other day.

[Don La Greca]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Don La Greca]

So I'm just saying I didn't get fooled. Biden.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you won't be fooled again.

[Don La Greca]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Fool me once, shame on you.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not getting fooled again.

[Don La Greca]

Let's go to Griffin in Connecticut. You're on ESPN New York. Hi, Griff.

[Caller]

Hey, guys.

[Don La Greca]

Hey. Is everything all right?

[Caller]

Yeah, I was, I was just in the middle. I was watching the expedition game, so I was in the middle of listening and I forgot that you called me.

[Alan Hahn]

So I'm good.

[Don La Greca]

You called us. All right. We haven't gotten to that point of the relationship where I'm calling you. Oh, I see. What you.

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[Don La Greca]

No, it's all good. You know what you called my fault for engaging.

[Caller]

I, My, my point was Kyla Murray is I could be wrong. But wasn't Kyler Murray. The big thing that he had problems is he couldn't get on the same page with Marvin Harrison Jr. The star receiver that they drafted.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Caller]

So I'm wondering if you have him here, can he get on the same page with Garrett Wilson, who is supposed to be your star receiver?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know, but that's what I'm.

[Caller]

Little wonder.

[Alan Hahn]

I think in Arizona there was also issues with the receiver himself. Motivation stuff. Yeah. I don't think it was all on Kyler.

[Don La Greca]

No. But that draft pick was around. All right. This is going to save Murray and it's all going to come and it never did because there's a lot.

[Alan Hahn]

And I'm not saying I've heard that he's. He's like a little silver spoonish and. Yeah. It needs to be, you know, that wasn't just a quarterback issue. That was a wide receiver.

[Don La Greca]

Here's the thing. I don't think it's going to work. I'm just saying. But for $1.3 million, if that was the opportunity, then I'm giving it a try. Now we got honors. The tease. Outland. You said a mouthful before we went to break.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don La Greca]

That Jet fans deserve this.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, we. And I say we. Yeah, it's not Jet fans. It's. It's. We deserve this because we put up with it. Because it's almost like now it's become our badge of honor. And it does disgust me. And I don't like, look, and when I say we deserve this, it's probably most of us who have a voice in this. It's not a lot of the hardcore fans who just go to games and, you know, root and go home and consume all the content. But to me, the content really, really has reached that point of we are insufferable as a fan base because it, it's like I just said before, we are in this vicious cycle of woe is me, and then we need to keep losing and then woe is me for losing, but we need to keep losing. We grab onto the idea that losing is all we really are and all we can be. And we're hoping that someday the losing has this miracle turnaround that leads to something great. And I'm trying to think, in the NFL of a franchise that was God awful forever and because of losing landed something or a player that changed all the fortunes. Can you help me with that?

[Don La Greca]

So a team that.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean bad bad, not like bad for a year, just always bad.

[Don La Greca]

Well, the always bad teams like Cleveland can't find the quarterback, jets can't find the quarterback. Now Detroit finally got out from under it when they traded for the quarterback or traded for the.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they didn't suck to get the quarterback. They were bad. They had a good quarterback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, right. They were just bad.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they were just bad. And they got a coach. They did the trade. Right. So that doesn't fit in the same equation. No, I'm talking about, you know, like again, winning the lottery. My God, this guy walked in and all of our fortunes. Because the last I had was when Aaron Rodgers talked about the Lonely Lombardi and I thought, boy, this guy gets it. But that's. That was supposed to change the fortunes. And you know, I think of the event. I love the Avengers, you guys. I probably hate those movies. I love the Avengers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not there.

[Alan Hahn]

Hawkeye says this. Don't give Me hope. Plea, for the love of God, God, don't give me hope. And I think that's the life of a Jets fan. But we just keep doing this, and it's almost like we've made an industry of being the sad sack fan base that just. Again, you're yelling, oh, the calamity. It's like, as if they win, it'll take away from that. And that's what makes me mad. And as jets fans, you shouldn't stand for that. You shouldn't accept that. You shouldn't be celebrating that part of the fandom. People that call up saying, we should keep losing, it's better to lose. Like, that's the part, I think that's when I say we deserve this because it feeds into Woody Johnson being a bad owner.

[Don La Greca]

Well, those fans do, but there are so many fans that they go because they love the team. They go because they have a good time.

[Alan Hahn]

Those fans are salt of the earth, and I love them all.

[Don La Greca]

You're right. But the guys.

[Alan Hahn]

You know who I'm talking about.

[Don La Greca]

I know those are usually people that don't go to the games, that are easily distracted, that they're young, so they haven't suffered as much as other people have. They were willing to just throw seasons away to just to find the easy way.

[Alan Hahn]

They're loud about the misery, too. They're loud about it. Like I said, it's this ridiculous badge of honor thing. And it's like that. I hate that that represents what jets fans are, because I have gone through it. I have looked and you see stuff about the jets, and everything is always a fan who is. And everyone just looks at the poor fan like. Like. Like this. This. This poor orphan. Like you were saying, don, that's not football. Like, I'm sorry. Peter was saying it like, it's not football. Like, you're playing the music and I'm sitting there, I'm saying to myself, this is who we are. We are the charity case.

[Don La Greca]

Every year, it's.

[Alan Hahn]

It's like. And it's almost like some people, this is the Stockholm syndrome. And it's. That's why I say, like, you almost embrace it too much. So people calling. I had. Jets fans were mad at me. You don't get it. They have to lose. They can't be good. And I'm going, what's wrong with you? Listen to what you're saying. They have to find a way to be better. They have to find a way to show progress. You have to advance the cause at some point to where you Start to believe this thing's heading the right direction. Otherwise, what are we doing? So that's why any Jet fan that believes in losing more and being just as bad this year, because you have to be just as bad or worse to get a top pick next year. I mean, you really don't love football or care about your team or you love the idea of being part of something that is so miserable. It gives you an identity and everybody feels sorry for you. And you can't be like that. You cannot allow that. And you can't give Woody Johnson a pass for another year of being bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, well then if that's the case, then if you. Then. Then we should be talking about going for it for real, shouldn't we?

[Alan Hahn]

There is no go for it, though. There's no one to go for.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No go for Malik Willis. Give it a shot. Give someone a shot with a ceiling.

[Alan Hahn]

Have I. Was that not the first name that I was falling in love with at the end of last season? Sure I do. But then I talked to friends of mine and that know the NFL and they tell me, no, you don't have

[Don La Greca]

a chance because you're a broken franchise. You don't know what they're doing. They're like, why would he there. That's what I think about it. Miami's a mess. Right. They haven't won a playoff game in a quarter century.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. Right.

[Don La Greca]

And yet that's more attractive to go

[Alan Hahn]

to the Jets, Miami.

[Don La Greca]

That's what all your losing kids does. It corrodes it diseases to the point where now all this cap space is not going to matter because who the hell's going to want to go and play there?

[Alan Hahn]

That. Which is why Rogers was the glimmer of hope.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And everything he said and the Camelot, that was that preseason.

[Don La Greca]

But that.

[Alan Hahn]

And then the Achilles snapped.

[Don La Greca]

And that was just one of those things that just happened. It wasn't anybody's fault.

[Alan Hahn]

It just happened.

[Don La Greca]

We're talking about all of the other dysfunction. The reason that you had to get Rodgers in the first place was because you whiffed on Zach Wilson. So it wasn't that Rogers was the bad pick, the bad move. It was that you were forced to make that move because of all of the dysfunction that led to that.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. Just want to know what's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter. Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.