Hour 3: Next Giants HC?

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg

Episode: Hour 3: Next Giants HC?
Date: November 10, 2025
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, Don La Greca
Guest: Chris Canty (throughout the episode)
Topic: The New York Giants fire Brian Dabel and begin the hunt for their next head coach

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Episode Overview

This hour tackles the aftermath of the Giants firing head coach Brian Dabel, as hosts Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, and Don La Greca—with regular guest Chris Canty—debate what kind of leader the Giants should target next, analyze potential coaching candidates, and riff on New York sports culture. The hour is packed with candid opinions, football insight, and the crew’s trademark banter.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Giants Fire Brian Dabel: What’s Next? [00:36-05:46]

• Giants’ Record: The Giants have gone 11-33 over the past three years.
• GM Joe Shane Retained: Ownership is keeping Shane, citing "a good nucleus of talent" but poor results.
• Interim Coach: Mike Kafka is named interim; possibility remains he’ll be considered during the head coach search.

Quote:
“We feel like Joe [Shane] has assembled a good nucleus of talent...Unfortunately, the results of the past three years have not been what any of us want.” —Alan Hahn (paraphrasing Mara, 00:36)

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2. What Should the Giants Look For in a Head Coach? [05:46-08:35]

• NY Is a Tough Market: Coaching in New York—"especially when you're a dumpster fire"—requires experience.
• Experience vs. Up-and-Comer: Giants (and Jets) have failed with first-time HCs recently; the panel leans toward an experienced, winning coach.
• Big Names Floated: Mike McCarthy and (if available) Mike Tomlin, Bill Belichick.
• Retreads Not Always Bad: Don points out holes can be picked in any resume, but experience often trumps rookie promise.

Quote:
“I think New York has got to wake up and realize it’s harder to coach here than it is in a lot of other places...when you're the mess the Giants are, you gotta bring in somebody with a little experience and a history of winning.” —Chris Canty [05:47]

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3. Potential Candidates: The Big, The Boring, The Out-of-the-Box [08:36-10:19]

• Mike McCarthy: Recent 12-5 seasons and playoff appearances, but only 1 postseason win in Dallas. He’s the top experienced "stabilizing" candidate per Don.
• Other Names via Chris Canty: Clint Kubiak (Seahawks OC), Jesse Minter (Michigan/Chargers DC), Chris Shula (Rams DC).
• Jordan Raanan’s List (via Michael Kay): Antonio Pierce, Jesse Minter—plus obligatory Belichick mention.
• Debate: Can Belichick and his personal life/brand fit in NY? Panel doubts it, but expect at least "outreach."

Quote:
“I’m looking for somebody to kind of stabilize things here...Will it result in a championship? I don’t know. Probably not.” —Don La Greca [07:11]
“I don’t believe [McCarthy] fits. We want to see someone—‘a leader of men’—because it’s just got to click.” —Listener Stephen [13:31]

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4. Should It Be Offensive or Defensive? [11:17-12:18]

• Modern Logic: NFL is an offensive league; develop the young QB (Jackson Dart).
• Counterpoint (from guests): Giants’ defense has solid talent but has been "failed by coaching." Perhaps a strong defensive HC, retaining Kafka as OC, is a solution.

Quote:
"There’s talent on this defense—and that talent has been failed by its coaching. So does that make you lean towards a defensive head coach?" —Alan Hahn [11:17]

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5. Callers Respond: Chemistry, Experience, and Suitability [13:25-21:00]

• Caller Stephen: Argues "chemistry" and "fit" are essential, and dislikes McCarthy for NY. Wants a "leader of men."
• Panel Response: Chemistry is unknowable until the coach is in place; even Kafka (given offensive progress and rapport with Dart) could warrant an interview.
• Caller Joe (Florida): Wants a proven head coach, not another coordinator. Points to prior coordinators failing as HCs.
• Hosts: Note many top HCs were once coordinators, but Giants might want change this time.

Quote:
"You're not gonna know chemistry and who's gonna be the right person until they're here. That's what makes this whole thing a crapshoot." —Peter Rosenberg [14:54]

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6. Expanded Candidate List and Odds Discussion [28:13-32:59]

• Fan Suggestions: Lane Kiffin (reuniting with Jackson Dart), Cliff Kingsbury, Gruden, Jason Garrett.
• Vegas Odds: Lane Kiffin tops lists (4-1), Kingsbury (5-1), Minter (6-1); McCarthy not listed as favorite.
• Hosts’ Personal Picks: Don says he won’t rush—wait to see if heavyweights like Tomlin or John Harbaugh become available.
• Jason Garrett: Dismissed as “vanilla flavored vanilla,” not a contender in the hosts’ eyes.

Quote:
"It's whipped cream on vanilla." —Don La Greca on Jason Garrett [31:42]
"He’s a leader of men, organization… doesn’t have to be an expert in offense or defense." —Don Hahn on John Harbaugh [33:36]

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7. Dan Orlovsky Criticizes Firing—Don & Canty Respond [37:13-46:12 | Key Segment]

• Orlovsky on NFL Live: Giants made mistake firing Dabel—Dabel and Dart had something, defense failed, stick together a year longer.
  • Quote: “The reality is, this defense that’s got a gajillion dollars or early draft picks had 10-point fourth-quarter leads four different times this year and they couldn’t find ways to secure the lead… I think Brian Dabel and Jackson Dart should have stayed together at least another year.” —Dan Orlovsky [37:14]
• Don and Chris Rant:
  • Dabel hired Shane Bowen as DC ("his hand-picked guy"—defensive struggles on him).
  • Dart made fourth-quarter mistakes too; offense disappeared late.
  • Dabel’s contract status (one year left); do you extend or let him coach as "a lame duck"?
  • Development for QB isn’t sole criteria for head coach.
  • Dabel is a good OC/QB coach, but not a leader of men.

Quotes:
"It's so lazy...an uneducated opinion...if you paid any attention, you knew...the owner said it's gotta look better....They're 2 and 8 for the third consecutive year. Year after year after year, all you do is lose.” —Chris Canty [42:10-44:24]
“Donnie, if only you could demote a head coach back to coordinator...We want you to work with this quarterback, but you’re not a good leader of men.” —Don Hahn [45:33]

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8. Fun, NY Sports as Community [26:20-28:13] (Interspersed)

• Giants’ Popularity: Hosts agree Giants are nearest in popularity to the Yankees in NY, ahead of Knicks—largely due to football’s broad appeal.
• Banter: Touches on hockey, lollipop nostalgia, and the oddness of coaching searches ("blood in the ground"/leader of dogs bit).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Bloviating screaming gas bag." —Peter Rosenberg teasing Don, who takes pride in careful points and listening (06:39)
• On Head Coaching Candidates:
  “A man who’s not only a leader of men, but a leader of dogs. A leader of animals. Creatures...” —Rosenberg, channeling a joke candidate [22:11-22:55]
• On Lane Kiffin Odds:
  “At the very top plus 400 is Lane Kiffin. At the top plus 500, Cliff Kingsbury. I don’t like that.” —Don Hahn [30:37]
• On demoting the coach:
  “If only you could demote a head coach back to coordinator. Say, you know what, you’re under contract. We’re demoting you.” —Don Hahn [45:33]
• Dan Orlovsky critique response:
  "If he knew the contract situation, if he knew what John Mara said at the beginning of this season...I think his opinion would be different." —Chris Canty [47:37]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:36 – 05:46 – Giants fire Dabel, announce interim moves, opening remarks.
• 05:47 – 08:35 – NY coaching difficulties, need for experience, Mike McCarthy/Belichick debate.
• 08:36 – 10:19 – Candidate lists, Belichick, Minter, coordinator talk.
• 11:17 – 12:18 – Offense vs. defense HC debate; continuity for Dart.
• 13:25 – 21:00 – Callers: chemistry debate, types of coaches, Giants’ approach.
• 28:13 – 32:59 – Odds, candidates: Lane Kiffin, Kingsbury, retreads, Jason Garrett banter.
• 37:13 – 46:12 – Dan Orlovsky's take and extended rebuttal from Don & Chris Canty.
• 45:33 – 46:12 – Fantasy of demoting a head coach, importance of leadership.
• 47:16 – End – Closing thoughts, banter, next steps for the team and program.

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Conclusion / What’s Next

The crew sees the Giants' head coach search as crucial—a choice that will define the franchise’s next era. Most favor a proven, experienced leader over a first-timer or hotshot coordinator, especially given NY’s unique pressures. Names like Mike McCarthy, Mike Tomlin, and even John Harbaugh will dominate discussion, with wildcards like Lane Kiffin and Cliff Kingsbury lurking.

Panel Consensus: Experience and proven leadership matter most. Despite hot takes (Orlovsky) suggesting stability with Dabel/Dart, the crew believes a change was necessary for the franchise.

Final Word:
“It’s not about just developing the quarterback. You need a leader of men—someone to run the whole operation. And those are rare.” —Don Hahn [paraphrased from multiple segments]

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Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Chris Canty]

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[Don Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. 503 in the big city with Don Lagreca and Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Han. 800-919-3776 is the number. Get involved in the conversation today. The biggest news of the day today, of course, as Brian Dabel is out as head coach of the New York Football Giants. John Mara said that he is keeping Joe Shane on as the general manager. Said in a statement, Mehra did. We feel like Joe has assembled a good nucleus of talent and we look forward to its development. Unfortunately, the results of the past three years have not been what any of us want. The results of the past three. Three years, everybody is 11 and 33. And that's the reason why the Giants are looking for a new head coach. Mike Kafka will be the interim head coach. There's some thought that he will be involved in the process, but for now, that's where the Giants are as they finish off this season. Before we get into the conversation with you and back to your calls, of course, I want to give you game time brought to you by. Tell them our Dew Irish whiskey. Because, boys, when it's game time. Okay. I like when he holds it.

[Chris Canty]

It's time. Some sort of technology. They're working with Peter back there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you mean?

[Chris Canty]

Like some kind of stretching? Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's getting longer.

[Chris Canty]

Yeah. Thumbs up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, boy.

[Chris Canty]

Way up.

[Don Hahn]

The Rangers will once again try to get their first home win. They have not won at home yet.

[Chris Canty]

No. I don't know. It's one thing to be okay, six and one at home, but they've been shut out five of those seven games.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, my God.

[Chris Canty]

Five. They just tied a franchise record. We're seven games into the home season.

[Don Hahn]

Wait, do they. They have six goals right at home? Is it six and five of Them came in one game.

[Chris Canty]

Yeah, I got five. Came in one game against San Jose and I think they scored another goal somewhere else. But how do you get shut out five times in your own building? And it's. It's the first week of November.

[Don Hahn]

I can tell you how I watched it on Saturday. You shoot it straight into the goalie's chest every time. How's that?

[Chris Canty]

I know, but.

[Don Hahn]

No, it.

[Chris Canty]

No. Well, I'm just saying. It's just odd, isn't it? And then they're the best road team in the NHL.

[Don Hahn]

Hilarious.

[Chris Canty]

So it's there.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Well, we're midway through November. Almost. And they have not won a home game yet.

[Chris Canty]

No, that's tonight. They're gonna win by seven.

[Don Hahn]

Okay. Donnie's calling it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Don Hahn]

They play the Predators. Coverage immediately follows us right here on 880 at 6:30. Note to start time, that means we, of course, have a truncated show. But Don's already predicted a win. You must listen now. But if you don't want to listen to that, well, turn on your televisions, everybody, and get ready.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

This is gonna be special. You will be entertained by the one and only Don McGregor.

[Chris Canty]

Thank you.

[Don Hahn]

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[Chris Canty]

708.

[Don Hahn]

708. Puck Drop. Donnie.

[Chris Canty]

708. Puck Drop.

[Don Hahn]

708. Puck Drop. Gracie and I wanted to be there. Gracie wanted to be there.

[Chris Canty]

I. I suggested. Wanted to get a remote from here, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. What happened?

[Chris Canty]

When I asked for things, I might as well just talk to my own elbow.

[Don Hahn]

Does your elbow talk back? No, I didn't talk back either. I. It was something we could not work out. I wanted to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It would have been. It would have been fun.

[Don Hahn]

We would have had a great time. But unfortunately, this was not going to happen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I have a hunch there could end up being. They're gonna end up being playoff remotes from the Rock.

[Don Hahn]

That's a must.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what I'm saying?

[Don Hahn]

No, that's happening, by the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's on the table.

[Don Hahn]

Playoff remotes from the Rock.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Come on.

[Don Hahn]

Well, and also do them at UBS as well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. I know.

[Don Hahn]

I. I gotta. I got a feeling.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You think?

[Chris Canty]

I got a feeling all three of these teams are making the playoffs.

[Don Hahn]

Who said three?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Anybody bring up the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

He just said team that can't win at home. We're not gonna bring them up right.

[Chris Canty]

Now, but they can't lose on the road, so that's good, right?

[Stephen]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Don Hahn]

Well, Devil's Isles tonight is a must watch not just for dawn, but just because it's probably gonna be a really good hockey team. Two. Two teams. I like to get up and down. It'll be a lot of fun. So that's on tonight at 7. O8 puck drop on MSG. Tullamore. Do the original triple distill, triple bended, triple blended, triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a telemardu or try the new Telemore Dew honey. During today's action, glasses up to enjoying telemard. So, John, I think the first question we really need to go over and there's names that we have already gotten from two of our experts we talked to today. Carl Banks, Chris Canty, about. Okay, they made the move that every fan felt like was inevitable. So now Brian Dabel's. His career as Giants coach is over, his tenure is over. Who should the next head coach be? What are you looking for in the next head coach? We've mentioned Mike McCarthy and Mike Tomlin. If Tomlin becomes available as two resume coaches, that can get you right, because that's Don. What you're clearly looking for. Yeah, you threw out the Belichick name, but really you're looking for somebody with a resume who can come in and get things right.

[Chris Canty]

I think New York has got to wake up and realize it's harder to coach here than it is in a lot of other places. Especially when you're a dumpster fire and going the inexperienced route. And you look at the four failures, right? The only one that had any kind of experience as a head coach was Shermer, and he failed in Cleveland. All right, so McAdoo, Judge Dable were all first time head coaches. The jets have gone that route really, since Parcells. Right. They've had guys that were interim coaches like Bowles and Gase, but none of them with a ton of experience and none with winning. I think when you're the mess the Giants are, you gotta bring in somebody with a little experience and a little history of winning. So, you guys, I told you that I was on the dock thinking about getting on the Belichick ship, but just hearing you guys talk and hearing what can't you see? You guys make very good points.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is what makes Don McGregor special. He's not your yo, yo, run of the mill, bloviating, screaming gas bag. He makes a point.

[Don Hahn]

Bloviating, screaming gas bag.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He hears rational arguments from his colleagues and he goes, you know what? Probably not Belichick.

[Chris Canty]

I just. You convinced me that don't get on the ship. It's not Seaworth right now. I could have, I could have said, I don't care. I'm a. I'm obliviating gas bag.

[Don Hahn]

I'm just going to go and bloviating screaming gas.

[Chris Canty]

Gas bag. And if anybody knows my history, I think Peter nailed it. But I'm going to stick to my guns. Somebody with experience. So when you look at the coaches that are available, it would be hard to say no to Mike McCarthy. Okay, now you jump me and go, well, look how it ended in Dallas and look how it ended in Green Bay. Yeah, sure, he won. Anybody can win a Super bowl with Aaron Rodgers. All right, well he's got a ring. All right. And he's a guy that without trying seems to win like double digit games in the regular season. So for the same reason I was considering Belichick, I'm looking for somebody to kind of stabilize things here. All right, and would, will it result in a championship? I don't know. Probably not. But we know that any of the other, you know, the Lane Kiffins of the world or any of the assistants that Canty brought up are gonna lead you to the promised land either. I need somebody that's got experience. The guy is one has a resume. It's easy to pick apart anybody with a resume because obviously they've been fired before. Obviously there's gonna be holes in their game and we feel like I'll go with the inexperienced guy because there's no holes that we can see. But it doesn't mean that they're there. How about the success that you could see with a retread? So of the guys that could be available doesn't have any baggage like a Jon Gruden. I know people are really high on Gruden, especially with the quarterback. But if I had to pick somebody, maybe my lead candidate right now might be Mike McCarthy.

[Don Hahn]

Mike McCarthy's last season in Dallas was 7 and 10. Before that he had three straight 12, five seasons. Now again got to the playoffs and won one out of four games that he got to play in those three seasons. So that's part of the problem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here we go.

[Don Hahn]

We are horny at the Rock.

[Chris Canty]

Horn works.

[Don Hahn]

The names that Chris Kenny, for those wondering, the names that Chris Kenny brought up that are again, this is now the, the next coordinators type. So Clint Kubiak, who's the offensive coordinator with the Seahawks, obviously a legacy coach in the NFL, put up some numbers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

For me yesterday, by the way, and.

[Don Hahn]

My God, that offense right with Sam Darnold Unreal. Jesse Minter is the defense coordinator. He was with Harbaugh at Michigan as a D.C. harbaugh brought him with him to the Chargers. That's how much he, that's how much he thinks of Minter and So he was D.C. there. Chris Shula with the Rams also in that Rams defense has been good. Those were the names that Canty brought up. Here's. Here's what Jordan Renan said with Michael K earlier today talking about early candidates to replace Dabel. And also Kay was smart enough to ask about what about Belichick.

[Stephen]

I think Antonio Pierce is the guy whose name you're going to hear in this mix. Jesse Minter, who's the defensive coordinator for John Harbaugh in Los Angeles with the Chargers.

[Chris Canty]

That's a guy I would keep an eye on.

[Stephen]

I'm not sure about the big name. Bill Belichick is an interesting one. Can you see Bill Belichick coming with his girlfriend and roaming the sidelines for the New York Giants?

[Kevin Clark]

I don't know.

[Stephen]

I just have a little problem imagining that. I think he'll probably back channel. It's be interesting to see if they.

[Chris Canty]

Do at least talk to him.

[Stephen]

I wouldn't be surprised if they at least talk to him.

[Don Hahn]

So you got to believe there'll be at least like reaching out situation there. Right. Those have an. From someone's reaching Bill. So yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean there's got to be some way to say his wife will probably.

[Peter Rosenberg]

His girlfriend probably shoot over text or a Facebook message.

[Don Hahn]

Probably just doing an idm, an IG story.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But no, no, look, and all kidding aside, things did not start out well at uncle now they're not playing the top competition. They're in the acc. But they, they, they have kind of leveled off a bit. He's won two, two weeks in a row. Now they're 4 and 5, 2 and 3 in conference play. So it's not like they're 0 and 7 or, or you know, 2 and 2 and 8 or like they're not embarrassingly bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That sounds dreamy, but it's just the.

[Don Hahn]

Fact that in the beginning you wanted to see would this thing hit, would this be this big hit and they got smoked in their first game and it's like no one's really watched ever since. Right. But that's, that's a reality. So he's not embarrassing himself at unc, but it's obviously not what you would.

[Chris Canty]

Have expected from a roster and give him respect for trying it at least. Now I've always been, you got to go with an offensive guy. It's an offensive league. You've got Jackson, Dart, you want to mature him into becoming an elite quarterback. But you wonder, you know, talking to Canty, talking to Carl, the one thing they seem to agree on, there's talent on this defense and that talent has been failed by its coaching. Shane Bowen was not the right guy. So does that make you lean towards. All right, I might be good with a defensive head coach, try to get the most out of this defense. Maybe Kafka stays as the OC because that keeps the continuity, continuity going with Dart. And then the head coach, you know, can rely on, hey, Dart, maybe if Dart's good, if he's an elite quarterback, you know, does it really, does it matter as much that you have to have an offensive head coach? Maybe, you know, try to lean into the skid here with the talent you have on defense and hope to try to improve that. So maybe I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of a really good defensive coordinator or defensive minded guy to come here. What about that?

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That's Amazon.com pickup MVP 800-9193776 let's get back to the busy phones. Everybody wants to talk about this. So Stephen and Melville, you're up next.

[Stephen]

Hey guys.

[Chris Canty]

Stephen. Hello.

[Don Hahn]

We got you.

[Stephen]

Can you guys hear me?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, sure.

[Chris Canty]

One more time.

[Stephen]

Oh, Don, please. Yeah, the head coach for the Giants. You know, what I want to say is that everyone would agree. Everyone would agree that it's very important. Important to have chemistry. I mean, people forget it easily, but once it's mentioned, like, yeah, of course. Chemistry, it's so important everywhere. And, like, the idea of Mike McCarthy, like, nothing happens in a vacuum. You can't just, like, look at Mike McCarthy and go, oh, is that. Would that guy be a good coach? You're like, you have to place him on the Giants and go, does he fit? And I do not believe he fits. We would. We want to see someone. And I. I love to hear Alan say, we want a leader of men, because it's just got to click. Everything's gotta click, and that's what the Giants need to look for.

[Chris Canty]

You're.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you're absolutely right, Stephen.

[Chris Canty]

But the thing is.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you, Steve.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think, unfortunately.

[Chris Canty]

Chemistry in the marijuana he smoked.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God.

[Chris Canty]

Another guy high as a crowd.

[Don Hahn]

I think he just had to get his notes arranged.

[Chris Canty]

The thing is that. Don't smoke your notes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, here's the thing. He's not wrong overall about what you're looking for. Of course, the problem is you're not gonna know chemistry and who's gonna be the right person until they're here. That's what makes this whole thing a crapshoot. Well, we need the perfect guy for Jackson Dart. What does that mean, the right guy for?

[Chris Canty]

You don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's a million personnel. There's 53 personnel.

[Don Hahn]

By the way, I was going to say there's this. There's 52 other players that have to also relate, otherwise your defense is going to suck again when you have all that talent on the defensive side.

[Chris Canty]

Listen, I'm not going to sit here and again, you know, wave the banner for McCarthy, but I was asked the question. There's not a lot of, you know, guaranteed names out there, but, you know, he's not the first or last coach to fail with a talented Cowboy team. And they don't win with Jerry as the gm. They don't seem to since Jimmy Johnson. Right. So there's been a lot of guys there that have gone there with. With tons of talent and didn't win. Right. So McCarthy failing there. Well, welcome to the club. A lot of other coaches failed there, and if you read Aaron Rodgers book, he got along with McCarthy. There were times they butted heads, but overall, looking back, he thought the experience was great. Aaron Rodgers is not the easiest guy to get along with. He did win there with Aaron Rodgers, the only super bowl that Rodgers has. Again, these guys have flaws. But to just say you don't think it would click with the Giants. Why. And why are you convinced that it would click with any of these other guys that have no connection? If you're looking for a pick to click, then Kafka should get a look. He's been here a while. He's interviewed with other teams. You know, the offense has worked. Does he get any credit for where Dart has matured?

[Don Hahn]

He's the play caller, you know, so.

[Chris Canty]

I mean, if you're looking for chemistry and wouldn't. Would Kafka then have the inside track for that?

[Don Hahn]

You would think so because he already knows, like, look what the offense looked like. You don't worry about that. I'll hire a better defensive coordinator and we'll go from there.

[Chris Canty]

So, I mean, can't. He said no because he's part of the problem. And I, I get why Chris would say that.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he's. His record. Yeah. He's part of the 11 and 33.

[Chris Canty]

But I also caveat of the whole thing by saying, well, what if they go five and two down the trade. Now, we know that's not going to happen. But what if they did.

[Don Hahn]

Well, they're so banged up. It's. It's Right.

[Chris Canty]

But I'm just saying that.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Chris Canty]

Wouldn't you look at him differently than if they just go07 the rest of the way?

[Don Hahn]

Next three games, like Detroit, Green Bay.

[Chris Canty]

Green Bay's next.

[Don Hahn]

New England.

[Chris Canty]

Let me ask you something. If Green Bay were to lose tonight, 30 to 3, would you be shocked?

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Chris Canty]

But would you be shocked if they won 30 to.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Chris Canty]

I don't know what the Green Bay.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you. I've been saying that all year, so.

[Chris Canty]

And the lie. Yeah. So I wouldn't think they'd beat the Packers. I think they beat the Lions. I wouldn't think they'd beat the Patriots.

[Don Hahn]

You're right.

[Chris Canty]

But what. But I don't know. Let's look. Can we see what it looks like? Maybe at the end of the season we'll go, you know, you did a hell of a job.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. I still. I think it's going to help him because the defensive coordinator wasn't finished fired either. Then I went. I might have said the defense has been the biggest part of the problem, not the offense. The offense's problem is that they just keep losing people to injuries. And we don't know the story now, of course with the quarterback. No, that's the next that I think the first thing that Mike Kafka is going to have to answer is what is the status of Jackson Dart for this coming week? Let's continue with the calls. We go to Joe down in Florida. Hey, Joe.

[Stephen]

How you doing, guys?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, buddy.

[Stephen]

Pleasure. Well, first of all, been a Giant fan for 50 years, more than 50, and was a season ticket hole at the old Giants Stadium, you know. But four years ago, before they hired Dable, I wanted Brian Flores as that coach. And they didn't go that route. I knew this was going to happen this season. They should have got rid of Dable and Shane last year. They didn't. And what the Giants need is a guy, not a coordinator, but a guy who has already been proven as a head coach. Someone proven out there they failed on all the other coordinators. How many more coordinators do you need?

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Stephen]

Not every coordinator is a good head coach.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Stephen]

Becomes a good head coach looking years ago when Dallas had Jimmie Johnson, North Turner and Wanstadt. North Turner and Wanstack never, never panned out as coaches.

[Don Hahn]

But you had to be fair though, Joe. There's a lot of head coaches in the league right now that were coordinators that became head coaches. I mean, would you say McVeigh with the Rams is a good coach?

[Stephen]

Oh, absolutely.

[Don Hahn]

He was a superstar coordinator. Like he had to get his first chance. I think Kevin o' Connell in Minnesota is a very good head coach. He was in a. He was a coordinator. Right. So.

[Stephen]

I know, I know. But not Giants. What I'm saying with the Giants now it's time to go a different, not a coordinator.

[Chris Canty]

Flores is very out there. But Peter mentioned that he's suing the league. So that makes things a little uncomfortable.

[Don Hahn]

Very uncomfortable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Particularly for a very conservative Original Giants organization.

[Chris Canty]

24 and 25 in his career as a head coach. However, that includes his first year in Miami when he went 5 and 11. Otherwise he closed it out 10 and 6 and 9 and 8. So there's enough there. I think if he didn't have the whole lawsuit thing, I think he definitely would be a candidate. He may still be a candidate, but I think Peter is right. I think there's a little baggage.

[Don Hahn]

We didn't hear Jordan say his name. Right. We heard Antonio Pierce.

[Chris Canty]

We heard Pierce. We heard he mentioned Belichick. He mentioned. But he did not mention.

[Don Hahn]

He didn't mention Floors. But there was another. Oh, he, he mentioned Minter.

[Chris Canty]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Chris Canty]

Mentor. He mentioned. So now these names are going to start to emerge and it's probably people that we wouldn't even consider they get popped up.

[Don Hahn]

I.

[Chris Canty]

There obviously seems to be the inexperienced guys. There seems to be a plethora. The experienced guys. There's not as many.

[Don Hahn]

Well, the good ones have jobs, the bad ones have jobs. Aren't going to get another one.

[Chris Canty]

You know, like Bill Cower is not coming out of retirement.

[Don Hahn]

It's been too long.

[Chris Canty]

I don't think Mike Holmgren is coming out.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Chris Canty]

You know, how about. I was gonna ask you, how old was Gibbs when he came back the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The second time around? I'd say early 70s.

[Chris Canty]

Now that didn't not work? No, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Relative to the time.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Things they did.

[Chris Canty]

Well, that's kind of what I was. You know, that's kind of what I was looking for. Somebody that's going to kind of get him back.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Chris Canty]

And he was in his 70s when he did it, right? Late 60s, whatever. So just not as many can. That's why Mike McCarthy feels like a strong candidate, because there's just not a lot of experienced guys you feel good about. Oh, I didn't think about.

[Don Hahn]

We didn't think about one candidate, though, Don, and I think he's upset. I believe he's calling in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, I've been listening to your program all day long. My radio down here, North Kakalacki.

[Chris Canty]

We appreciate that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Signal gets all the way down there.

[Don Hahn]

Yes, it does. Very strong signal on 80.

[Chris Canty]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You guys are on 13. 1300. I thought it was yours.

[Don Hahn]

No. You probably have us on the app.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was. Anyways, here's the one thing they've been saying all day. They bringing up Belichick, they bringing up mentors or whatever the hell his name is.

[Don Hahn]

Right. Just a mentor.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I even heard someone mention Mike McCarthy.

[Don Hahn]

Nope.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mark Holmes. All these names, but yet there's one name. A man who's proving himself throughout the league. A man who's not only a leader of men, but a leader of dogs. A leader of animals.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, a leader of creatures. Mike Vick wants to coach.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm talking about. That's who I'm talking about.

[Don Hahn]

We had some static there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A man who could. A man who can grab this organization by the throat, pick up a. A hard bottom shoe and beat the ish out of it until it understands football.

[Don Hahn]

Scored a damn touchdown.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sometimes it's that simple. But classic. Classic New York. Overlooking Freddie Kee.

[Stephen]

I don't kill you.

[Chris Canty]

You ever have to put Rocifer back in line? Ever?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I wish you hadn't brought up Roshi, for. We had to.

[Chris Canty]

Oh, no, no, don't say it.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, no, please don't say it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, we had to let him go. No, no, no. I don't mean put him down. I'm not an animal. We sent him back to the woods where he came from. Opened up the doors.

[Don Hahn]

Jordan Woods.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Send him on his day.

[Don Hahn]

Just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We said Roseefer. Well, listen, he, he, if you truly.

[Chris Canty]

Love him, you gotta let him go, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, he, he, he very seriously wounded the third child in our family. And this one, this one required surgery. So yeah, we had to let him go. But he'll be back anyways. Ow.

[Don Hahn]

He deserves it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He has blood in the ground.

[Don Hahn]

Probably should put his name on the list.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Blood in the ground.

[Chris Canty]

He does have blood in the ground.

[Don Hahn]

He does have blood in the ground.

[Chris Canty]

Probably urine as well, by the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And dog feces. It's all in the ground.

[Chris Canty]

Don.

[Don Hahn]

That was the mic drop. We should have went right to break all day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Chris Canty]

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn And Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. I know this song. This is not called the breakup song, is it? Yeah, it is.

[Chris Canty]

Yeah. Break in.

[Don Hahn]

This is Greg Kinman. Yeah.

[Chris Canty]

Always had great names for the albums. Conspiracy.

[Don Hahn]

How was this never sampled?

[Chris Canty]

Have to ask.

[Don Hahn]

Did he also do the. The. The Our Loves in Jeopardy song? Oh, yeah, that's this guy. Look at that. Donnie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Look at that.

[Don Hahn]

Can't call him one hit wonder when you got two.

[Chris Canty]

No.

[Don Hahn]

800-93776. Continue with the color. It's really amazing too. The, The Giant fan base is massive. Like if we're gonna rank. If you would not ranking as like who cares the most but in size. Let's just talk about the. The. The. The popularity of a team in New York. I still would put the Yankees first, right?

[Chris Canty]

Yeah, probably.

[Don Hahn]

The Giants are very close.

[Chris Canty]

The debate is it. I would still probably because it's football ball. I would go Giants over Knicks, but I think that's the top.

[Don Hahn]

Well, Knicks are such a unifier. Right? Like because there are. There's not really a lot of competition where the jets at least are pulling some NFL fans. And then you have a lot of like Steelers, Cowboys. You know, you have different fan bases in the city. That take away.

[Chris Canty]

Doesn't it feel like everybody's got a football team? It does. Everybody's got a basketball team.

[Don Hahn]

It does feel like that.

[Chris Canty]

But doesn't everybody have a football team?

[Don Hahn]

Even Peter who hates sports. He has a football team to.

[Chris Canty]

And. And that's. And that's the one that he's the most passionate about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's a football guy.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, you know that and Broadway. That's all.

[Chris Canty]

I don't meet a lot of people that just aren't that are consider themselves sports fans that aren't football fans.

[Don Hahn]

I think Griffin and Connecticut's a football fan. Would we agree?

[Chris Canty]

Oh, he's well.

[Don Hahn]

Yukon first. Yukon women's basketball. Probably the top of the list right up there.

[Chris Canty]

Then maybe it's in the Heat, Capital and Saints. I don't know what the order is.

[Stephen]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Don Hahn]

Griffin, how would you rank your. Your favorite sports?

[Stephen]

I would have Yukon basketball.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, See, I nailed that one.

[Chris Canty]

Yeah.

[Stephen]

Probably the Yankees. Then the Heat, Capitals and then the Saints.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Don Hahn]

You guys nailed it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We know everything about.

[Don Hahn]

We know you so well, Griftster. But you want to talk about the Giants and who they should hire.

[Stephen]

Yes. And my, My, My idea I told Anthony it might be out of the blue, and it might. Might really just be. Just. I don't think they'll hire him. But why try. Maybe try to reunite Jackson Dark with Lane Kiffin? I know it's out of the blue.

[Don Hahn]

It's not crazy, Griff, I think. But I'm just saying he.

[Stephen]

He has done a phenomenal job at Ole Miss.

[Chris Canty]

The.

[Stephen]

He's been able to connect with the players a lot at Ole Miss, so why not try to bring him? Maybe see if he could just start by building the culture back up as Vegas.

[Chris Canty]

Put out odds yet, guys? Is it too soon?

[Don Hahn]

I will take a look. Thank you, Griff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. Who will be the coach?

[Don Hahn]

I will.

[Chris Canty]

I mean, Lane Kiffin. I wouldn't say he's the favorite, but that's. That's definitely not out of the blue that. That he is a major contender for that job.

[Don Hahn]

Let's see. Latest odds.

[Chris Canty]

Might be a little too early, but I thought speaking out of.

[Don Hahn]

The Pacific, who do you trust here? You trust. You trust Yahoo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I only trust. FanDuel.

[Chris Canty]

I only trust.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Dial up ESPN.

[Chris Canty]

ESPN.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sorry, too soon.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, but you should. You should trust.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, is that what you just were doing? You were setting me up.

[Don Hahn]

I thought you were doing it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I wasn't. I was gonna say speaking out of the blue. I'm having a blue blow pop for the first time in God knows how long.

[Don Hahn]

I was really worried there. For sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you see the. The plate of pops they had out there?

[Don Hahn]

I did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. I'm not a big lollipop guy.

[Don Hahn]

Neither am I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But after enough time walking back and forth.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you get boredom. He's giving me the Savalas right now. Look at you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, is the valis a lollipop guy? Kojak.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Kojak.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, Kojak was always sucking on a lollipop.

[Chris Canty]

Always.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that was a big.

[Chris Canty]

That was his thing.

[Don Hahn]

I loved that show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don, he was. Kojak was an around the way girl standing at a bus stop sucking on a lollipop.

[Chris Canty]

That's it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't know that was Kojak.

[Chris Canty]

Oh, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Wow. I can't say the next line of that song, can I? Once you get started, it's hard to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Make the hottie stop.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I thought I. Stop. I used to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know what you were thinking.

[Don Hahn]

I used to think it was a different word, but okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really filthy.

[Don Hahn]

Well, we have.

[Chris Canty]

He.

[Don Hahn]

I don't who they're referring to. Let's see. Yahoo is just throwing out some names, but at the very top plus 400 is Lane Kiff at the top plus 500, Cliff Kingsbury. I don't like that.

[Chris Canty]

Tom Rock had this earlier today. Thank you. To Warren G, who sent this to me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, by the way. So Griffin.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, Tom Rock put together some.

[Chris Canty]

Yeah, but he's got. Yeah, but he just has it like Kiffin. Four to one.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Chris Canty]

Kingsbury. Five.

[Don Hahn]

Five to one. Minter. Six to one.

[Chris Canty]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Kubiak. And then like the first, like, if you quote unquote, retread would be Gruden.

[Chris Canty]

10 to 1.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Chris Canty]

Jason Garrett.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my dear God.

[Don Hahn]

Jason Garrett. God, he's here once a week.

[Chris Canty]

Oh, my God.

[Don Hahn]

No, I don't get it. Not feeling it or.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don hates Garrett.

[Don Hahn]

Really? What do you hate about Jason Garrett? We were gonna have him on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You hate him dead.

[Chris Canty]

It's.

[Don Hahn]

Let's get him on tomorrow.

[Chris Canty]

Vanilla flavored vanilla. He's just. There's nothing there. It's like. It's. It's like flavorless air.

[Don Hahn]

It's whipped cream on vanilla.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. I don't get. Don's never understood the TV appeal for me.

[Chris Canty]

Oh, that. Well, I mean, as a coach, he was. He was a. If he give me a quarterback coach. I know he went to Princeton. I know that's a big deal for people.

[Don Hahn]

So Mike Kafka is 16:1, if I got that right. And. And Flores and Belichick are all tied with him at the very bottom of this list. Again, I'm looking at tooth and see, to me, I don't rush this because there's two names that I will. I will wait to see if it shakes free.

[Chris Canty]

Okay?

[Don Hahn]

One we've already talked about. Mike Thomas. Yes. You know, the other one is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hold on, hold on. A shake free. Another shake free.

[Chris Canty]

I know the other one you're talking about. And Tom's got it at 15 to 1.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, so they're in the league.

[Chris Canty]

John Harbaugh.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks, Don.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was looking at.

[Don Hahn]

I was looking at Peter, seeing if I could.

[Chris Canty]

No, he's already. He's on his lolly.

[Don Hahn]

He's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no.

[Kevin Clark]

Excuse me.

[Don Hahn]

He's got the gum.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm in the gum mode.

[Don Hahn]

He's in the gum.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, the blow pop works. I'm done.

[Don Hahn]

Peter sucked it right to the middle and now he has the gum.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right. Sucked it dry.

[Chris Canty]

Now, I don't know if that was necessary at all. And I'm sure I'll hear that again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

At 6 now, by the way, but Harbaugh. I put Harbaugh at maybe even Less of a chance, Tomlin.

[Don Hahn]

Really.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. By the way, they're doing what you said they would do, Don. The Ravens are turning around right there.

[Don Hahn]

Well, watch, the only reason tonight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why tonight?

[Don Hahn]

Isn't it tonight?

[Chris Canty]

No, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you think an NFC matchup affects the Ravens, sure.

[Don Hahn]

No, I thought there's only one tonight. What did I miss this weekend? Never mind. Look, I was busy this weekend at.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A basketball game, but either way, they're turning it around. I don't see Harbaugh leaving.

[Chris Canty]

It's a nice thought.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't see it.

[Chris Canty]

But that's why I, I think, because I don't think he's going to shake loose. If he did, he would be at the top of my list.

[Don Hahn]

I agree. And talk about it like, first of all, this guy was a special teams coordinator.

[Chris Canty]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

This was not a. He's not an expert on either side of the ball. What? He's an expert leader of men organization.

[Kevin Clark]

Right.

[Chris Canty]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

He, he's. This is the type of coach you're looking for, where I don't have to be an expert in offensive defense, but I know how to run people, and that's why he's been there and lasted so long.

[Stephen]

So.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, so you don't think there's any. Like, if they have a poor finish to the season, for whatever reason, you don't think they'd make a change? Because there were rumors in Baltimore early in the season that maybe it's time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hear you. And the playoff thing does get frustrating.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, the Ravens are a level ahead of the Steelers. The Steelers aren't making the playoffs every year. The Ravens make the playoffs every year. They come up short in the playoffs every year, but still, they're just generally so good.

[Chris Canty]

There's a little. Listen, this is, this is bold. But I, I, I would think the hope that that dart can be Lamar Jace. Right. Like, that's probably the feeling. I mean, that's the. But I'm saying from the type of like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, Jace, you said it's not that.

[Chris Canty]

Big, but I'm saying of a guy that's going to use his legs and then get better with his arm.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You hope that he would be a tier two version of that. That's what you'd love to see.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Chris Canty]

Oh, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Chris Canty]

What are you gonna do?

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Chris Canty]

I think it says here it's about FanDuel.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that's why we were talking about. See, this is odds.

[Chris Canty]

It needs to be.

[Don Hahn]

It was.

[Chris Canty]

We were.

[Don Hahn]

We were there. We were so there. No odds. We were talking about odds. Yeah. If you look at your schedule.

[Chris Canty]

Hold on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but. Well, I just want you guys to know that it doesn't match up to what's on the paper.

[Don Hahn]

Okay?

[Peter Rosenberg]

My 530 here says Amazon, but they're telling me it's FanDuel. So I'm going to tell you about FanDuel. Please trust them.

[Don Hahn]

Please show me.

[Chris Canty]

Show me something.

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[Chris Canty]

You don't go Tootsie Pop. What do you mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

If it. If it was there.

[Don Hahn]

No Tootsie Pop. No way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I like a Tootsie Pop.

[Don Hahn]

You do?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure I do.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, God.

[Chris Canty]

I found out this weekend that Marco does not like a Tootsie Roll, which bothered me because I think they're fabulous.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Fabulous is strong.

[Chris Canty]

We went. We went to see the. We went to the Blaze up in Sleepy Hollow on Saturday after the Devil Game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It sounds like you took them to, like, a gay club somewhere. Which, by the way. Listen, I don't care.

[Don Hahn]

Hey, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was Vito there?

[Chris Canty]

Like, Van Cortland's man Manor. They've got, like, you know, all the pumpkins, like, with dinosaurs, and it's really cool.

[Don Hahn]

Nice.

[Chris Canty]

So the Headless Horseman was there, made an appearance. Oh, handing out Tootsie Pops. Now, Marco was so disgusted by it, but he ran to throw it away because he didn't want the Headless Horseman to know that he didn't like his.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course.

[Don Hahn]

Because otherwise he's coming to get him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Got to watch out for that, actually.

[Chris Canty]

That's a smart play.

[Don Hahn]

You know, actually it's a smart play. I want to, I want to get Don angry and then make him wait a whole break.

[Chris Canty]

Oh, I like this.

[Don Hahn]

All right, so as we'll get to calls as well. 8993776 Dan Olofsky, our resident contrarian on NFL Live, oh boy. Said the Giants made a mistake.

[Chris Canty]

I'm of the belief this is a mistake by the New York Giants. It was clear that the quarterback and head coach had something going together at least in this production, performance and hope. The fourth quarter leads are obviously something that you're sitting there and you know killing yourself over. This team lost its best player and then they lost probably their second or third best, certainly offensive weapon in Scatterboat. The fact that they had built these leads should warrant something. And the reality is this defense that's got a gajillion dollars or early draft picks had 10 point fourth quarter leads four different times this year and they couldn't find ways to secure the lead either. And so as much as we want to sit there and say Dable didn't get it done, a lot of the high prized defensive talent didn't get it done as well. I think that Brian Dable and Jackson Dart should have stayed together for at least another year.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Don, I, I think, I think Jacob, this is like Emmy winning performance today when it comes to DJing, he's really.

[Chris Canty]

Put an effort and he always puts in an effort. But today, above and beyond my, this.

[Don Hahn]

Is like the play. Like if you put this playlist together, the theme is, is very obvious. I mean, this is we won't be fooled again. And that's exactly what a Giants fan is hoping for. All right, I have to now give you this opportunity. You have been frothing at the mouth. During the break you heard Dan Olofsky saying it was a mistake for the Giants to let Brian Dave will go because he and Jackson Dart have a connection and you don't want to mess with that and mess with the young quarterback. So your result, your response is what?

[Chris Canty]

It's so lazy. Because first of all, I didn't realize you can run out of an end zone for a safety on first take two. I know he did that in the NFL, but it's almost the equivalent.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That is strong.

[Chris Canty]

It is so it, Listen, I mean he came out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh my.

[Chris Canty]

No, it's, it's, it's, it's an uneducated opinion of what it is because first of all, if you paid any attention, you knew that going into the season the owner of the team, John Maris said it's got to look better than it's looked when they won only three games last year. They're 2 and 8 for the third consecutive year. Okay, so coaching matters when you're trying to build up a record. Okay, yeah, their defense has been God awful. But another thing I need to inform him on is the fact that that was his hire. Shane Bowen was his hire. Wink Martindale isn't here because of Brian Dable and he wanted his hand picked. Guy from Tennessee was Shane Bowen. So the fact that you're blaming it all on the defense and he's right, the defense has been awful and they've been poorly coached is also on the head coach. And those games weren't all blown by the defense. Remember, we gave him a, we gave him a pass. But Dart had an ill advised pick in Denver, a play that never should have happened. They should have ran the ball and forced Denver to call a timeout.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Chris Canty]

He decided to throw on third down and the kid got picked off.

[Don Hahn]

All right, and they blame the kid.

[Chris Canty]

The offense also has disappeared late in these games too. And the defense has been awful. So he's right about the defense. But man, come on to sit there and say they made a mistake now if you want to say they made a mistake doing it now, not waiting till the end of the season. That's what I thought he was going to say. But you can't watch this Giants team and believe that they're fairly coached. And if you want to tell me the whole tired narrative of oh, but look what he's done with the quarterback, that's a reason to keep your job when year after year after year all you do is lose. And when the quarterback is playing well and you still lose. Come on, Man. And on top of all of the ignorance is the fact that he has only one year left on his contract after this. So let me ask you, were you going to extend them or were you going to have him coach as a lame duck? So what are we doing, man? What are we doing? Dan's tremendous at what he does. He whiffed on this bad, real bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know how. How you could look your fan base in the face and frankly, the locker room at the end of this season in which, let's say guys, they'll have minimum four games that they blew it in the fourth quarter, minimum. We're not. We're barely halfway done. There could be one or two more. And you're going to turn around to your fan base who's paying money for tickets and your players who are risking their asses every week and go, we're going to trot back out the next thing next year. And to your point, Don, you can't have them come out and be a lame duck. So full extend them. How could you do it? How could you do it?

[Chris Canty]

No, you can't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What has he proven that would make him worthwhile since he got here?

[Chris Canty]

Don't you say? And I feel like a broken record. And I do apologize for all that. I. Listeners that listen a long time, they have to hear this again. But the development of the quarterback, that's enough to keep your job. Is that all there is to coaching? Is just making sure your quarterback is good? Listen, I would hire Brian Dabel as a quarterbacks coach or even an offensive coordinator in a second. I think he's proven himself as a really brilliant offensive mind. The one thing he can't do is be a head coach in the league. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's plenty of brilliant guys. I wish they could not be a head coach. John Coryell was a great offensive guy, not a great head coach.

[Don Hahn]

Donnie, if only you could demote a head coach back to coordinator. Say, you know what, we're demoting you. You're under contract. We're demoting you, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Like if you could do that. But you can, obviously. But it's like. Because you know what, we think you're really valuable as the coordinator. We want you to work with this quarterback and continue to do what you do. But we just. You're not a good leader of men.

[Chris Canty]

And you know what's going to happen? I'm telling you what's going to happen. Book it. Is that he's going to get a job somewhere as an oc and that team is going to do well, and people are going to go, oh, look at just another guy that left the Giants. It did well. I would expect him to do well as an oc.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a totally different. The bottom line is he needs help.

[Don Hahn]

He needs big help.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Perhaps better help.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

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[Chris Canty]

Now. Give me a second here, because I threw the word ignorant out and unfortunately, fragments get back to people. And Dan's a good guy and he works with us and he's a teammate and all that stuff. When I said ignorance, I mean ignorance on the subject because there were just too many holes in his argument that if he knew a little bit more on it, I think he might have a different opinion on that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're saying if he covered it every. This was the only team he was covering every week, not every team in the league. He might view it.

[Chris Canty]

If he knew the contract situation, if he knew what John Maris said at the beginning of the season, if he watched every game the way I've watched every game, I think his opinion would be different. Now I understand it. Was that on first take?

[Don Hahn]

It was on NFL Live this afternoon. It was a quick take.

[Chris Canty]

Very, very quick. NFL Live. I'm sorry. But listen, everybody's entitled to their opinion. I'm sure there's a lot of opinions that I give where I'm misinformed on and I would want to be told if I was, I think, given that information. I believe his, he, I believe his opinion would be different.

[Don Hahn]

All right, well, right now as we, as we consider all that, it's time to give you a game time brought to you by telling my dew, Irish Whiskey.

[Chris Canty]

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[Don Hahn]

Because, boys, when it's game time. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It'S time. It's totally timed.

[Don Hahn]

I gotta say, even that one feels like it just kind of gets longer, doesn't. Oh, these have all been altered somehow some way. This is getting stretched out. The Rangers are going to try again. Can they get their first win at home at Madison Square Garden? Tonight they'll take on the Nashville predators, who are 5, 8 and 4 and by the way, 1, 3 and 2 on the road.

[Chris Canty]

There you go.

[Don Hahn]

So there's an opportunity tonight. The coverage of that immediately follows us right here on 880 at 6:30pm so we have ENN and then you have Rangers hockey. Don is in New Jersey, as you know. He's at the Rock. He's got the Devils and the Islanders at 7. How about the Devils? They haven't, they haven't lost at home yet. They are seven and oh, can they make it eight and oh, hello. Already 11 wins on the season and Monday Night Football Eagles and the packers.

[Chris Canty]

Just saw Brendan Burke. He's like, you know you are allowed to call games that are losses at home. Hopefully it's not for a while. Hopefully it's not tonight.

[Don Hahn]

It's not what we do. You and I, Don, we don't call losses at home. Neither one of us. Telemardu the original triple distilled, triple blended, triple castman shirt. Irish Whiskey. Be sure to grab a Telemore do or try the new Tully Mordue. Honey. During today's action, glasses up to enjoying telemurdu responsibly. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the.

[Don Hahn]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

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