Don Hahn (2:23)

Anthony's telling us that Billy here, two of these games Saturday, Saturday's games on 1050 and Sunday on 80.

Peter Rosenberg (2:30)

How do you like that?

Don Hahn (2:32)

So we're providing a little something you want to just peek in, see how things are going in that series.

Alan Hahn (2:36)

So the Yankees right now, you know the Guardians have been red hot. They've won seven straight games. They might actually catch the Tigers, their three back of the lost column and have three games with the Tigers.

Don Hahn (2:45)

Crazy.

Alan Hahn (2:45)

So that kind of changes things up. Although you know, if that were to happen and all of a sudden the Tigers become a wild card team based on how the Yankees have played the Tigers this year, that might be a bit of an issue too. But we'll see if that ends up happening at the end of the day. But the Yankees are not losing out on falling out of the playoffs because they still have a four game in the lost column lead on the Guardians. But right now, and right now they've got a two game lead in the loss column on both the Astros and the Mariners. So right now all the Yankees are playing for home field, which is not nothing.

Don Hahn (3:19)

No, no, that's big.

Alan Hahn (3:20)

But you're, but, but you know, you're, you're in the Mets, they still have a two game lead on the Diamondbacks. However, the Diamondbacks have the tiebreaker. So that's still. The Mets still have to be very careful. But the Mets are playing the Nationals the next three games. So you figure that if you really fancy yourself to be a, a playoff team, you should be able to take care of business there. Arizona's taking on Philadelphia. Philadelphia's got nothing to play for other than trying to seed. But they're pretty. They've already won their division and it looks like they will at least get second place in the National League.

Don Hahn (3:57)

So yeah. Phillies are three games back. Right. Other one three in the lost column.

Alan Hahn (4:02)

As we speak right now they are three back of the lost column of the brewers and they're, they're 5 up on the Dodgers.

Don Hahn (4:08)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (4:08)

So they're, they're pretty much locked in. I would think. So maybe Arizona's got a chance to catch a beat Philly this weekend. So the Mets need to be careful and need to still win games. But I still think the Mets are in good shape to make the playoffs. So that's the state of baseball right now. Is it going to week three of the NFL? And Peter, you weren't with us but the way we started the show and you know you've lived it here because you celebrated a decade on this Air just a couple of days ago.

Peter Rosenberg (4:34)

You bet your.

Alan Hahn (4:35)

Is this decade of decadence that we've had here with the NFL, when I say decadence, I mean best be saying defecation.

Peter Rosenberg (4:42)

Decade of defecation.

Alan Hahn (4:43)

Yeah, it's a decade of defecation. Yes, that's what it's been because. Because the Giants have won 57 games in the last decade, while the jets have won 56. And the easy math, because it's 10.

Peter Rosenberg (4:56)

Years, sounds like five and a half games a year.

Alan Hahn (4:58)

Yes. And that's not good. And you know, both are dogs going in to this weekend's matchups. Giants, obviously a bigger dog because it's Kansas City and nobody expects Kansas City to go 03. And Tampa, Tampa's still a good team. That's two. And, oh, and they're home. Peter, we might be coming on the air Monday talking about another lost season because neither of these teams are going to be able to get up from 03. And I understand that nobody had any expectations of the playoffs, Peter, but the idea was at least try to win a couple of games early. Give yourself some hope that you can have some meaningful games around Thanksgiving. If we're sitting here on Monday talking about two. 03 teams, Peter, you know we're going to be just talking a lot of baseball the next couple of weeks because it's been just brutal here.

Peter Rosenberg (5:43)

Listen, it's a broken record. And I know everybody who listens to this show and. Or not everybody, a lot of people, and probably a lot of people who listen to the K show thought that, like, well, he's a commander's fan. He must love seeing the team stink. Guys, football is my favorite sport. And since basically the second I had my dream of becoming a sports talk show host become true, the teams that I have to cover every week are the worst, literally. And Don has said this recently and I've said this over the years, it's not just that they're bad. It's so often that they're bad and they're boring and there's no hope at this moment. You know, the Giants, I give a longer leash to and I give more of a pass to because. I'm sorry, just in terms of sports fandom.07 and 11s relatively recent, but they're still in a bad way and they've clearly lost their way. And the jets, this is the thing that makes me so nervous about the Justin Fields move. He does have a high ceiling, but at the same time, by not committing to just starting from the beginning and like, we're going to go find the kid. To me, it was a little half in, half out. Let's get someone for this year. Let's see if we can make things a little better. But the realistic question I had going into the year was will he be better than Aaron Rodgers was last year? Probably not. And we saw what they were with Aaron Rodgers last year. So Allen in that sense sort of makes Tyrod intriguing this weekend just to see if there's a bit of a different look. But where does that land you on Monday even if they win?

Don Hahn (7:23)

It doesn't. It doesn't. It's they are in a transition as a franchise because you made the changes at the top. You made the new a new front office, a new head coach moving on from Aaron Rodgers means and the taking the flyer on Justin Fields. So there this is sort of a trial kind of year of who fits with the coach. Who does the coach like, what can he do with the roster that wasn't very good last year and then on top of it, it's a quarterback that is on his third team in three years. You can't ignore that, that does have his flaws that you want to see. Can he eventually take that next step as a quarterback? Can he, can he figure it out? And what you saw in week two is that the weaknesses, the marks against him as a quarterback showed again. So I don't know what you can believe in right now other than the four letter word of hope that this is a head coach that went through it in Detroit, took notes, understands it. That didn't happen overnight in Detroit. That first year was brutal. The second year wasn't great but by the end of it showed promise and that's all you got. So as much as you don't like to hear the being told be patient and wait. As a Jets fan, you have to be patient and wait. As a Giants fan, you're out of patience. The only thing you're waiting for now is the quarterback they drafted and to see if he's the guy.

Alan Hahn (8:46)

And where the Giants are is can you build off of last week all right? Winning the game seems like an impossibility. It's on national television. They never win on national television. They never win at home, they never beat a good team. There's just a lot of things working against the Giants.

Don Hahn (9:03)

So you're saying there's a chance.

Alan Hahn (9:04)

But if the Giants play well, especially offensively, then they built off of last week, you're owing three but at least like it looks like you're starting to move in the right direction. You're functioning. The jets are in a bit of a different situation because they had their moment in week one and completely threw it away by being non competitive against Buffalo. If that happens again against Tampa, you're trending the wrong way. So not only you owing 3, you're trending downward where the Giants still have a possibility because of who they're playing, that they could be 03 trending in the right direction. But at the end of the day, guys, we'd be talking about collectively our local teams being 06 and all the Jet fans who wanted to believe in Glenn and I still, there's. There's still hope that he can be a good coach. It's only two games.

Don Hahn (9:48)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (9:49)

But all of the people that wanted to have hope and all the people that wanted to believe. God, am I hearing a lot of phone calls listening to this show and others of people ready to. Ready to jump. You brought up Ira in Staten island, who has always been optimistic, doesn't think Glenn's the guy because all the damage, the scar tissue going into this season, the losses just begin to just pile up to a point where people are going to start to tap out, man. They'll watch the games. But you talk about hope, hope's gone now. And you just feel like, is it ever. Are you ever going to get out from under? How many more coaches, how many more general managers, how many more quarterbacks before you just say it's never going to happen? 15 straight years, missing the playoffs. I mean, come on. And just to have a decade where the teams have been so bad for so long, it's really. I've never remember a sport in New York being this bad for this long. Somebody's always good, right? Mets think Yankees are good or vice versa. One of the hockey teams are usually good. One of the basketball teams usually good. To have two football teams be basically tied for the worst organizations in a decade, it's got to erode the fan base. It just. There's just too many other options. When I was growing up, basketball and hockey games were barely on television. You waited for your baseball games and half of those games weren't even on tv. I had no way of watching any other team at a market. And yet still people became fans of the Dolphins.

Don Hahn (11:13)

And yep, it's crazy. The question of why are you still a fan?

Peter Rosenberg (11:21)

It's tough, man.

Don Hahn (11:22)

Question.

Alan Hahn (11:23)

I don't have to watch this garbage.

Don Hahn (11:25)

It's fair to ask, right? It eventually. Like Peter, when we were talking about this earlier, I just kept going Back to the same thing. Like it's one thing to have like it's been a couple of. A couple of bad years. You know, it's been a couple. But when you get to 10, when you are a decade as the worst or two of the worst franchises in the entire sport, that's a whole decade. Man, I've done it a long time to go to be that bad a decade. Like I remember when the Knicks finally made the playoffs, it was like they scratched the seven year itch. Like you, you know, six, seven years. That's a long time to go without making a playoff. When you go 10 for the jets, it's 15.

Alan Hahn (12:10)

I know.

Don Hahn (12:11)

Not making the playoffs and your three.

Peter Rosenberg (12:12)

Year old becomes 13. Yeah, you didn't get to have anything in there. Honestly think about that, Don. Imagine, imagine right now Marco picks his team, he's in, he leaves for college. And you guys never got to have a fun season. That. That's a shame. That shouldn't happen.

Alan Hahn (12:28)

And that's gonna erode. That's where the fan base erodes. Now Giant fans will be like, wait a minute, Don. It was just three years ago we won a playoff game. We were in the divisional round. But you got your head handed to you in that game to the point where a lot of Giant fans feel like that was. That was one of the worst things to happen to the franchise because it made him double down on Daniel Jones and kind of just wasted the next two seasons on a quarterback that they thought wasn't the guy who might end up turn around, be the guy. And you couldn't figure it out with him if he continues to win in Indianapolis. So even the one year they make the playoffs and win, I don't believe this. But a lot of Giant fans can construte it as it still was a negative. It still was a bad thing. The 2016 trip to the playoffs. All you remember from it was the boat trip and getting killed by the. By the packers and Lambeau jets don't even have a playoff run to be embarrassed about.

Don Hahn (13:21)

Oh, Bart Scott said can't wait. And we're still waiting.

Alan Hahn (13:24)

You can't wait.

Peter Rosenberg (13:25)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (13:25)

Unfortunate that video starting to age now. Like you're looking at that. Wow, that's a. Bart looks like a different human being. Yeah, South Pal had like South Hal didn't have any gray hair.

Peter Rosenberg (13:38)

Isn't that crazy? That's how old that honestly that's 2010 was. I get a shame too because I.

Alan Hahn (13:44)

Guess it was January 2011.

Peter Rosenberg (13:45)

It would have been better if he said, I'm totally fine waiting because I'm going to be for a long time.

Don Hahn (13:53)

It's amazing. Why are you still a fan?

Alan Hahn (13:56)

It's.

Don Hahn (13:56)

Here's a. Like it's again. It just becomes. It does feel like we're saying the same thing over there. Rinse, repeat. It does feel like that we're beating the quote, unquote, beating the dead horse. What we're supposed to do on Football Fridays, boys, we're supposed to be talking about the anatomy of an upset. How do you win a game? What do they have to do? We should be having fun bringing this stuff down, but none of us can get ourselves to do it. Seriously. Because we all go like. I mean, what is it? Like, you really think they're going to beat the Chiefs? You really think they could beat the Bucks down in Tampa? Like, that's the problem is we've reached that point where we almost feel like it's not worth talking about. Like, the Mets went through an awful stretch, but yet we still can come up with compelling and reasonable ways. Even with three young pitchers, how they, you know, they still want to run. Something could still happen. This could work out because something about what they've done tells us there's some credibility to it. We can believe it. But when they. You when you say to me, like, all right, do you think just can win? No, I don't think they can win. Just having way they could, but I don't think they can.

Alan Hahn (15:01)

Just having moments recently where you could be proud to be a fan of that team, that you could wear the jacket, wear the hat proudly.

Don Hahn (15:08)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (15:09)

And it's been really hard Monday. It's really tough. But there is an anatomy, I think, for both of these teams, especially the Giants, because of where Kansas City is. Although I caution you where Kansas City is, losses to the Chargers in Brazil and to the defending super bowl champions in which they were in both games.

Peter Rosenberg (15:30)

That's right.

Don Hahn (15:31)

And they had a win in their pocket. They were making a move late in that game to win that thing.

Alan Hahn (15:36)

But, you know, the Giants have to worry about a pass rush, which they didn't have to worry about against the Cowboys. But the secondary you can exploit. I think that you can move the ball against the Chiefs. And the Chiefs, they have not really looked like the offense that we're used to. And this Giants defense better wake up, man. There's a lot of picks and money and draft picks in the trade for Burns that are invested in this defense, and it's time to get after it, man.

Don Hahn (16:00)

Yes.

Alan Hahn (16:01)

And I Was proud of them in the, in the overtime, getting a couple of stops. But overall, you still gave up 40 points in the game. You've got to be able to find a way to be able to shut down a quarterback that's really having some trouble. So I know it seems like an impossibility and so many things are working against the Giants, but you talked about a formula. There's a formula for the Giants to beat the Chiefs. Whether they'll be able to execute it or not, we'll see. But there's a formula and there's also a formula for the jets, too, because Tyrod Taylor right now is not that much of a step back from Justin Fields.

Don Hahn (16:32)

That's fair to say. It's fair to say. And it's a different look. You know, you'll throw it more now again, you know, Garrett Wilson is your best target. It's. What do you do when they, you know, they're going to bracket him? So now what? You know, how are you going to take advantage of. And who's going to step up to be that, that second receiver that takes advantage of softer defense? Those are all things that we don't know because this roster is so incomplete. But you want to hear a crazy stat?

Alan Hahn (16:58)

Yes.

Don Hahn (17:00)

Do you know the Chiefs have never beaten the Giants on the road? They've played him seven times in the history of their franchise since they've joined the. The NFL from the afl. Seven times they've played in New York.

Alan Hahn (17:13)

And let me guess, the last. Do you have them there? Do you have them listed?

Don Hahn (17:15)

I don't have them listed.

Alan Hahn (17:16)

I only have the last time the Giants beat them.

Don Hahn (17:19)

The last time they formed each other.

Alan Hahn (17:21)

In New York was before Mahomes when they, they beat. They beat Smith. So that would have been what, because Mahomes was drafted, what year he's been in the league?

Don Hahn (17:34)

10 years.

Alan Hahn (17:37)

So you're probably going back to maybe 2012 because it might have been the year that he, he was the backup and played the last game of the season.

Don Hahn (17:47)

Okay.

Alan Hahn (17:48)

I think that was the last time the Giants beat the Chiefs in. And at the time, I guess it was. No, it was MetLife. Yeah, it was after 2009, I believe that's the last time.

Don Hahn (17:57)

Okay. It's not 12.

Alan Hahn (18:02)

But I don't think they haven't beat my homes. But isn't that, like, just weird?

Don Hahn (18:06)

That's such a weird thing though, isn't it? They play at Kansas City in 13, so that wasn't.

Alan Hahn (18:16)

I don't believe Mahomes was the quarterback but only seven times here in New York, slash New Jersey.

Don Hahn (18:22)

But have never come to the Tri State area and beaten the Giants.

Alan Hahn (18:28)

Say there's a chance that they're due say. 1-800-9193, how you feeling about your team? 1-800-919377 you asking me?

Don Hahn (18:37)

Sorry.

Alan Hahn (18:38)

Well, we'll get to it. We will get to you. Now he's, he's been ruled out of the game against the Raiders coming up on Sunday. Let's go to the busy phones, talk to Jim in Cedar, New Jersey. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Jim? Is that Cedar Grove?

Caller (18:51)

Hi, guys. Thank you for taking my call. Yes, I've been a Giant fan for a long time, about three years. Had a Hall of Fame for ticket holders. I was number two. 40 years of tickets. But I want to tell you a couple things and I was really shocked when I listened to your description of Sunday against Dallas. All you did was beat up on the offense and all the money we've spent and all the players we've gotten for defense really failed us. Scoring that many points then having them give it up right at the end so somebody could tie it up and then beat us in overtime, that was a defensive failure.

Alan Hahn (19:31)

Yeah, but they did come up with a couple of stops in overtime. Jim, that's not, not.

Caller (19:35)

We didn't need to be in overtime. We shouldn't have been in overtime.

Alan Hahn (19:38)

I gave. You gave up a 64 yard field goal. Listen, the defense has not played well. I agree with you and you scored 37 points. That should be enough to win. But to me it was a bad pick, it was a bad possession before then the defense kept the Cowboys who are a really good offensive team, they got the ball back, they got him off the field twice. And the, and the game went. And the game tying score was off a 64 yard field goal. So. And, and I'm only beating up because listen to Bowen did take destroyed.

Don Hahn (20:10)

But, but in reality Bowen did take some responsibility. Yes, he did cut yesterday. It was saying that. Yeah, could we have done more? You know, their strength are those four guys that can get after a quarterback and they really didn't do that. And he might have been a little too passive at the end when he probably should have said go for broke. Let's just, let's make sure Dak can't see anything. They did get an 18 yard reception to set that up. I also say special teams hurt you too because that run back, that was a big kick return.

Alan Hahn (20:41)

Listen, the offense won the day they scored 37 points. Their quarterback threw for 450.

Don Hahn (20:46)

But Russ throwing that YOLO was not.

Alan Hahn (20:47)

I'm just saying when it came when it came winning time. Alan, you can make the case the defense did their job. They allowed a 64 yard field goal which is how often do you it's happening more often but it's still the odds are against it and got two stops in overtime and your offense that moved up and down the field had three chances in overtime to win the game. Didn't do it right. So when it came winning everybody deserves.

Don Hahn (21:15)

Yeah but the defense did take like if they're going to have any success, you know it's going to be on the defensive end. That's why again, it's got to be a low scoring game. Hey, by the way, it was 2017 and you write about Alex Smith. The final score that game was went to overtime was 12 to nine.

Alan Hahn (21:32)

Yeah, it was an awful game.

Don Hahn (21:34)

Awful game 2017 when the last time the Chiefs came they were six and four after that loss the chief so you know but the giants were 2.

Alan Hahn (21:42)

And 8 and yeah. And then a few weeks later thanks to Kofi with the information McAdoo got fired. I knew it was I just remember trying to remember the year Silver lining well to what?

Peter Rosenberg (21:55)

To get that over with.

Alan Hahn (21:56)

Three coaches later, we still don't have one.

Don Hahn (21:58)

Still don't have one.

Alan Hahn (22:00)

I think so. A great man one time said how many chances you get? Well, at least I love that man.

Peter Rosenberg (22:06)

I love the man who said that.

Alan Hahn (22:07)

At least three.

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Don Hahn (24:18)

What a day.

Alan Hahn (24:20)

What a day. What a week.

Don Hahn (24:21)

What a day. By the way, did you guys see. I shared this the other day and it blew my mind. Next week when we get to September 30th, it's the last day that AOL will provide a dial up into its. Into the. Into its, whatever it is. Now.

Alan Hahn (24:41)

I saw that. How is that possible?

Don Hahn (24:44)

I didn't. Did you. Did you know you could still use dial up?

Alan Hahn (24:47)

I did not. I thought if you had, I would guess that that would have been gone at least a decade ago if, if more.

Don Hahn (24:56)

But yeah, it was this crazy thing that I saw and I'll read it so that we know on September 30, after 34 years, AOL will shut down its dial up Internet service. The ability to dial in. I didn't know you could. I didn't know AOL still had the thing where if you logged in, it gave you the, you know, you got mail. I didn't know that still happened. I didn't know that still existed. Does anybody. I'd love to hear from somebody that said, oh yeah, I still use it. Does anyone still dial into aol? And if you do, does it still give you the welcome?

Peter Rosenberg (25:38)

What about. And you gotta get files.

Don Hahn (25:39)

Done files.

Peter Rosenberg (25:41)

Welcome.

Don Hahn (25:42)

Remember welcome. You got mail.

Peter Rosenberg (25:44)

Nothing worse than when you were like hyped for mail.

Don Hahn (25:48)

Oh, and it was welcome. And then nothing.

Peter Rosenberg (25:50)

And then nothing. And you just see that sad empty mailbox.

Alan Hahn (25:53)

So sad, so sad.

Peter Rosenberg (25:55)

What a nightmare.

Alan Hahn (25:56)

That was why I remember Cofield probably tweet us the date. Okay, but it wasn't like maybe 20 years ago when they finally said that they, they got rid of the TV antennas and I was like, they still did that. It kind of had that same feel to it. Like, God, there must have been. They must have kept it going. There must have been enough people that they had to keep it going. And that sound when you try to dial up.

Don Hahn (26:22)

I just. Like I said, I didn't know dial up modems still. That was still a thing.

Alan Hahn (26:26)

That is crazy, man.

Don Hahn (26:28)

And you could still do it. And did it still have that staticky sound and all the pinging and all that? See, again, there's a whole generation has no idea what that life was like unplugging your phone and plugging it into your PC just so you could get on the Internet for a few minutes, until mom and dad were like, what are you doing? I got to use the phone. And you had to log out.

Alan Hahn (26:48)

If I had to. If I had to guess the year, the last time I used it was probably. It was in the 2000s. Dial up maybe like, oh, two.

Don Hahn (26:58)

Like, using your LA. Like, I remember as a reporter, probably using a laptop, but I remember just.

Alan Hahn (27:03)

Home, like, not at work or anything, but, like, at home, still having the dial up, probably until, oh, two. And then. And then there was. So that's still like 23 years ago.

Don Hahn (27:16)

So they're shutting it down, which probably means no one's using it, right? They probably have, like, just negligible amount of people are using it at this point that it doesn't make sense to continue to carry it. But I find it amazing that it just, even to this day, still existed. So if you're using it, you have until September 30th, and then you need to get into the 20th.

Peter Rosenberg (27:34)

Every time there's an announcement like that for something, it's always, you can't believe the thing is still gone. There was another one recently, too.

Don Hahn (27:41)

What can you compare it to technology that changed the world that is now obsolete? The telegraph. Like, nobody used a telegraph, right? That's. That's normal.

Peter Rosenberg (27:52)

There was a. There was a cable. There was another thing I recently heard that they stopped doing. And you were like, really? I just can't remember what it was. Okay, listen. We lived in a very interesting time, by the way. I mean, the craziness is just getting going. So I always thought that the amount of technological change my parents saw, my parents being both born in 47 and 48 respectively, that I was like, man, the amount that they saw the world change, I'll never be able to understand it. And now I'm starting to think we're gonna understand it more than I think.

Don Hahn (28:31)

We'D even like to probably think about your grandparents. Like, my grandmother lived till 90 and she died in 2000.

Peter Rosenberg (28:40)

Oh, 1910 to 2000.

Don Hahn (28:42)

Well, but the thing is talking about the horse and buggy, like they didn't have a car.

Peter Rosenberg (28:46)

Okay, but let's go, let's go. Let's go a step further, though. If you were. If you went 19, 20, 20 mm to 2010, go.

Don Hahn (28:58)

Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (28:58)

Then you made it into iPhones, full social media definition. People walking around staring at their phones like psychopath. I mean.

Alan Hahn (29:05)

Yeah, they got it all. Well, you wonder.

Peter Rosenberg (29:09)

We'll just see robots come and take over the world and that's it.

Alan Hahn (29:12)

You wonder with the AOL thing whether, like, there was like, they did some. Somebody came in, they need some kind of reorg going on. Somebody just fixed the glitch. Because, like, somebody probably said, I sent. I could have sworn I sent an email in, oh, five to shut this down. Nobody did. And like, nobody went back to check. I just assumed it was shut down. Oh, we did an audit and we've seen that we've. We've invested like $2 million over the last two decades into something that's all that nobody does anymore. Like, did they just forget it was there? Kind of like the gym membership that you, like, you forgot you're still paying into because you never went like, something like that. It just, it just seems odd that there'd be still people on dial up. But let's get back to the football, which is kind of like dial up a Jace. Right. Well, they're. By the way, this weekend.

Peter Rosenberg (29:59)

No, no, by the way, this weekend. For me. I have another comp this weekend. It feels like I'm going from like a cable modem to dial up.

Alan Hahn (30:05)

Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (30:06)

Respectfully to Marcus Mariota, who by the way, has been good when he's played for the Commanders, but obviously just a very different situation to go from someone who does the things that Jaden does still win.

Alan Hahn (30:17)

So don't worry about it.

Peter Rosenberg (30:17)

You think so? I mean, but here's. Can I just say what I hate about this spot?

Don Hahn (30:20)

Sleep on the Raiders, man.

Peter Rosenberg (30:22)

See, here's what I hate about the spot. You have to win.

Don Hahn (30:26)

You have to win.

Peter Rosenberg (30:27)

You don't get any credit for winning. You have to beat the Raiders. If you lose to the Raiders, we start the beginning conversation. Truly of all. Right, well, they lost to the packers, that's one thing. But this team isn't what we thought they were. You have to win this weekend.

Alan Hahn (30:40)

And it's. Listen, you might get bailed out by the Rams beating the Eagles, and that might help the situation a little, tipping your hand on. But if you're one and two and they're three and, oh, it's. That's, that's a, that's a tough spot to be in going into week four. Let's go to Joe and Chappaqua. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Joe?

Don Hahn (30:55)

Yeah, hold on. Hey.

Caller (30:57)

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking a call.

Alan Hahn (30:59)

Always.

Caller (31:01)

So I was thinking, say the Giants have another miserable season and wind up with three wins and decide to move on from the head coach. Where are they going to go? I mean, I think they got to go back to someone that has experience, coach experience. Instead of these first timers, do you try Bill Belichick and his craziness, or do you try to get, like, Gruden back?

Don Hahn (31:24)

You know, it's. You know, it's funny, Joe, it's saying Belichick a year ago wouldn't have sounded as crazy as saying it now. Only because of everything we've seen in the last year and how things look down in Carolina, you know, like, there's something about Belichick that doesn't seem the same.

Peter Rosenberg (31:45)

How about this, though?

Caller (31:46)

What about Gruden?

Peter Rosenberg (31:47)

Yeah, look, how about we, how about we come to the now, truly. And is there a world in which Tomlin shakes free? Because if Mike Tomlin's available next year, if they, if that doesn't go well and they move on, you, you back.

Alan Hahn (32:00)

Up the brink structure.

Don Hahn (32:01)

First thing you do there is a.

Alan Hahn (32:03)

Relationship between the two organizations. So I could see the Belichick. He's gonna be. He's gonna be, what, 74 next year? Couple of years removed from the NFL. I just, I. First of all, I think now, if you're telling me you're blowing it up, I don't want Belichick to do both. And yeah, I don't think Shane's gonna have any appetite of bringing in, you know, a 74 year old. There's. It's a reclamation project. Right. So is Belichick gonna be here for the next three years? I don't, I don't. I don't. I'm not saying it's impossible. I don't think they'd want to do that. Gruden, at what point are you removed from the controversy like the Giants want that?

Don Hahn (32:41)

Well, at what point also does he have the track record that tells you it's worth doing that? You know, look, going to Jim Harbaugh and everything, you know, that comes with that, like, you know what he was at Michigan, obviously. But that, like, that's a brilliant move for. For a franchise like the Chargers. Right? It's a brilliant move because track record tells you this guy's a great coach, regardless of how sometimes he could be. A lot to deal with. Gruden's track record isn't a guy that comes in and fixes franchises and wins a lot at the super bowl was based off somebody else's team. Fair.

Alan Hahn (33:17)

Yeah, no, right. Like, it's fairly fair.

Don Hahn (33:19)

So, like, I don't know if that's. Like you're going for a brand name versus give me a guy that I know when he comes in, turbulence is gone, standard is set, and everybody knows his resume and everybody understands that's the guy. Because the Chargers, with Staley, they were. They had talent, but they were a mess because, you know, he was trying to be too brilliant and all the fourth down stuff. They didn't have great leadership. He comes in there and everybody has to say, all right, Chargers gonna be good now. There's no question the charge is gonna be good. So what kind of coaches. I said Pete Carroll would have been a great choice as well. And I think it's a great choice for the Raiders. I just don't know who's there, who's available. Tomlin's a perfect name, but he's got to shake free. Who else would be. Who else is coaching right now that might be at the end and you could get. That can help flip it. There aren't many of those guys. That's. That's the problem. Where the Giants are, there aren't. And at the time, Dable looked like the perfect guy because of what he was able to do in the past as a coordinator. But it's. It's easy to be a coordinator. It's hard to be a head coach in this league.

Alan Hahn (34:31)

Let's go, Danny. In Centerport. You're on espn, New York.

Don Hahn (34:35)

Hey, Danny.

Caller (34:36)

Hey, fellas. Happy Friday. Thanks for taking the call. You know, a couple of points I wanted to make. But, Don, you struck a nerve with me a couple of minutes ago, and you said it perfectly. And you know, as a suff jets fan, okay, I'm not looking for a pot of gold right now, man. You know, Don, just like you said, I want to be proud of my team. I wanna. I wanna enjoy, you know, the games after my game. I want to enjoy waking up Monday morning and being proud of my team and talking to my boys at work and hooting it up, you know. Alan, you notice, right? You know how hard I bleed Don, I walked into Shea stadium as a 7 year old kid. I'm 55, and I've had nothing, man. I've had nothing but a 50 hands of glory to make me a fan. You know what I mean? It's so disheartening. So. So my points are this, okay? As far as Justin Fields is concerned, in my eyes, okay, we have to go back to him the minute he's ready to go back, because this season is all about if Glenn can coach, can Justin Fields be the quarterback or what? And is the OC real. That's number one two as far as Glenn is concerned. I believe in him. I do. But he has to get a handle on this team. He has to pick the guys that he knows he's looking for and, and, and create what he wants. He has to weed through what he was given and figure it out. It's going to take some time, just like you said, Alan. Right, but we don't have the time. And you just said it, Alan. You know, for us, Pete Carroll would have been great. Mike McCarthy would have been great. They come in with a culture, they come in with a standard, and everybody believes what they're doing because they have a resume, but we're not doing that. So we have to deal with this. But God almighty, Don, you perfectly. I just want to keep my flag on in front of the house for all 17 games and not want to rip it down and be embarrassed and get abused by my neighbors who walk their dogs every day and say, how the heck could you hang this flag? I just want to be proud of my team and I can't get it. And that's why week one was so important. Fellas, we talked about it two weeks ago. They had to come away with a win like that. That's a game and a statement that you're making the team feels good, but no, we don't, because on the back end, we get crushed by the Bills. And here we are all pulling our hair out of our heads saying, is this what we have to deal with again? Is this what we're going through again? Because we don't have the patience. But I'm sticking it out. I just want to. I just want to be proud of my team for once, guys. It's so frustrating. Alan, you know, I'm happy for you, Peter. You finally made the turn and you have respectability and you're proud of it. That's all I'm looking for, man. It's all I'm looking for. Let me enjoy a Sunday or Monday Morning. For God's sake.

Peter Rosenberg (37:16)

By the way, I know we're in separate places, guys. I'm sorry. That's well put together. It's fair. I feel you in your soul. I feel you. And it feels like it'll never happen. It's such a. It's a helpless feeling, too, because you can't kick them. You are the moron with the flag outside your house. I've been that guy. People are mocking you. It's the worst. So I want to say good for you, but it's not good for you. But I feel you.

Alan Hahn (37:46)

Well, speaking of not good, it's Peter's picks. The only benefit is he only has to make two today. He's still looking for his first win, but he was in a similar place last year, and look what happened.

Don Hahn (37:59)

What happened?

Alan Hahn (38:00)

He was able to get off the.

Peter Rosenberg (38:01)

Mat, and he passed the mat, and then we restarted in the playoffs. I won the playoffs.

Don Hahn (38:06)

Right?

Peter Rosenberg (38:06)

And then I won the playoffs, but it's. It. This is tough. I'm in a tough spot right now, guys. I'm looking at the board. Yeah. I'm like, I'm Daniel Jones, by the way. Daniel Jones. Who's seeing ghosts? No. Zach.

Don Hahn (38:18)

Sam.

Peter Rosenberg (38:18)

Sorry. I can't remember which loser it was. Oh, I'm so sorry. No, I, I, I'm seeing ghosts right now, guys. Every pick on the board, I go, I don't know. I don't know.

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Peter Rosenberg (40:12)

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Caller (40:13)

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Don Hahn (40:13)

These are the Don, Han and Rosenberg pro picks.

Caller (40:18)

There's football.

Alan Hahn (40:22)

That's football. Yeah, we got the picks and Allen is our leader. And entering week number three by a point over me. Peter, as we outlined, is 0 for 7 to start the season after losing last night's game by a point and a half.

Peter Rosenberg (40:40)

It was never close though, let's be honest.

Alan Hahn (40:42)

No, there was a. There was a. There was a couple of moments. Okay. Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (40:46)

Late in the first half, before the second, the tying touchdown by Miami felt there was a chance there they could have a field goal to go up 10. Instead, the game was tied. But I'm lost, guys. I'm lost.

Alan Hahn (40:59)

You'll get there. You'll get there, but you're gonna have to wait because Alan's our leader and Allen Hahn is going to go first.

Don Hahn (41:06)

Well, let's see. My one point game is going to be taking the Saints and laying the seven and a half. I mean, sorry. Taking the Seahawks. I'm sorry. There you go. As the home team laying the seven and a half against the Saints team. Spencer Rattler hasn't won a start yet as an NFL starter. The Saints are not good. It's tough to play in Seattle, as we know. And so I just feel like that's an easy one. That's my survivor pick too, by the way.

Peter Rosenberg (41:32)

Oh, me too, buddy.

Don Hahn (41:33)

Survivor guy.

Peter Rosenberg (41:34)

I think we're in lockstep again, me and you.

Don Hahn (41:35)

Okay. All right. That's. So that's my. That's my one pointer, my two pointer. There's not a lot of good games, guys, and like there's a lot of close ones that are difficult, so I'm trying to find ones that I feel good about. I don't really feel great about this one, but I'm actually gonna Take the Atlanta Falcons and lay the five and a half on the road in Carolina as my two pointer Atlantis better than maybe most people thought they'd be getting. Good quarterback play, very good offense so I'll take them as my two pointer. I'm not a big big believer in Carolina even at home. My three pointer three three three three thank you. I love that drop. Green Bay Packers I will lay the seven and a half in Cleveland against the Browns. The packers have the longest active streak in the NFL against non division opponents. They've won 11 straight so they they handle out of division well out of conference as well. Packers are legit. We know this. The Browns offensively are not and that Packer defense going to eat so give me the packers as my three point play.

Alan Hahn (42:48)

All right Allen, outstanding job. This is a tough week as you mentioned. I'm going to go feel on this because the stats kind of favor Carolina. Falcons are a five and a half point favorite on the road but I like this Falcons team and even though the Panthers have covered 8 of their last 10 games I still believe that I'm getting less than a touchdown. I like this Falcons team. They showed me a lot on national television last week. I think they go in win by more than a touchdown over the Panthers as my one point play. The other ones kind of feel too because the Jags are favored by a point and a half right. So basically you're picking the winner here. I think the Texans are better than just starting 03 and when you look at the history of Lawrence versus the Texans in his eight starts against the Texans he's got a quarterback rating of 39. So I think the Texans get well in Jacksonville getting the point and a half. So I let the Texans is my two point play. I like that Allen. I agree with you. The packers are special and the Browns are not and The Browns are 7 and 15 against the spread over the last three seasons as a dog. So and that's exactly what they are. The Dogs are dogs. So I've looked the packers it's a lot. It's a hefty number I know but I, I think they can win by two scores. So I'm with you. I'm going to go with the packers as my three point play. So Falcons favor by a five and a half in Carolina, my one point play, the Texans getting a point and a half in Jacksonville, my two point play and the packers as the hefty seven and a half point favorite as my three point play as I love all three road teams with My picks. One, two, three point play.

Don Hahn (44:30)

Well, I like that Texans play, by the way. That, that, that's one of my, my cover fives. Taking the text. I didn't make it one of my point games, but I did put that on my cover.

Peter Rosenberg (44:42)

Well, no one cares what my picks are. Let's be honest. Only so you can avoid them, I would assume. But how about this? I'll go right against both of you guys. Liking that. Give me the Jaguar for my one point play.

Don Hahn (44:53)

Oh, wow.

Peter Rosenberg (44:53)

I think we might actually be on to something with this Jaguar team. Less of an indictment on the Texans and more me going with the home team. Short number who I've been impressed by. Yeah, I'll take the Jaguars. My one point play. And I gotta tell you, man, I'm starting to think this Rams team might actually be legit. And we know that they were a fierce, fierce dog when they came into the playoffs last year. Of course, that bad weather game, I thought about this. I like the Rams to cover the points. I think they keep this close. I think it's a battle. Otherwise I'll come in, you know, absolutely cursing the tush push on Monday. But I do that anyway. So give me the Rams in my two point play. And as Allen mentioned earlier, I'm on board with him. Give me Seattle as my survivor pick.

Don Hahn (45:35)

Okay, Seattle, what's your survivor?

Alan Hahn (45:37)

Don, There was, there was a glitch in the system. I'm out.

Don Hahn (45:41)

What?

Alan Hahn (45:43)

I had the Broncos in week one, but for some reason there was a glitch. It knocked me off. So they gave me the Steelers in week two because I couldn't get on the system and the Steelers lost. So.

Peter Rosenberg (45:54)

So you're out on a technicality is what you're saying.

Alan Hahn (45:56)

I'm out on the technicality, but I'm not going to to complain. I also, I have the Rams on my cover five. I'm just. That hook scares me. But I do, I do like the Rams as well. Get ready for a new Monday Night Football experience. It's going to be a lot of fun. The ESPN Couchcast when the jets take on the Dolphins for their Week 4 divisional matchup. Settle in on the couch and then watch the old cast with your favorite ESPN New York personalities. For instant reactions, unfiltered commentary and behind the mic banter, stream live on our YouTube channel and watch from kickoff till the final whistle. Grab your snacks and watch the game with the pros. It's the ESPN New York Couchcast, presented by Calandra's Bakery Jacobs Pickles and driven by the all American Ford group, the number one Ford auto group with huge locations throughout Jersey. So Monday, September 29th, starting at 7pm on the ESPN New York YouTube channel. So we're gonna get to see Michael Rick D Pietro. They're already talking smack. Should be a lot of fun. Really looking forward to it. I heard that Carlin is actually gonna be coming back from Vegas. He's got the Raider game that Sunday. He's gonna be coming back on a red eye.

Peter Rosenberg (47:11)

Wow.

Alan Hahn (47:11)

Vegas. To be there dedicated and you know.

Peter Rosenberg (47:14)

He'D rather stick around in Vegas and play 18 on Monday. But he cares.

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So we can maybe put food on his, on his chest as he's sleeping, something like that. But we're going to have a lot of fun. I'm really looking forward to it.

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The visuals, like, don't you think the visuals alone on this couch cast are going to be worth having a second screen experience?

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