Hour 3: Old-Time QBs

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg: Hour 3 – Old-Time QBs

Original Air Date: September 23, 2025
Podcast Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the legacy and expectations around old-time and current NFL quarterbacks, with a special focus on the New York Giants' move to start rookie Jackson Dart. The hosts reminisce about the league’s challenges of finding "the guy" at quarterback, debate how fans’ expectations have shifted in the modern era, and play a lively game reviewing the best (and most mediocre) QBs in the history of each NFL franchise.

The show’s tone is distinctly conversational, nostalgic, self-deprecating, and often irreverently funny, with the three veteran sports personalities swapping memories, stats, and playfully ribbing one another and callers.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Jackson Dart Era Begins in New York (02:03–08:47)

• Fan Reactions and Expectations

  • Giants rookie QB Jackson Dart will be starting Sunday against the Chargers.
  • Hosts advise caution and patience—"don't microwave this thing"—reminding Giants fans that legendary QBs often struggle early and require time to mature.
  • Don La Greca (04:16):

    "Are they excited because they know he's going to do well? Are they just excited that now there's relevance to an 0-3 football team? There's a reason to watch on Sunday, to now not just follow the final score, which is probably going to be a loss, but see how your quarterback's progressing, get a glimpse of the future."

• Comparisons to Giants QB History (05:51–08:47)

  • Cites slow starts for both Eli Manning and Phil Simms, who faced doubts early before becoming franchise QBs.
  • Warned against overreacting to either early success or struggles.
  • Don La Greca (06:34):

    "The guys that get off to great starts, history shows you don't amount to anything. The guys that struggle early, if you're patient, end up becoming franchise quarterbacks."

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2. Patience vs. Impatience: Quarterback Development Then vs. Now (07:23–08:47)

• Historical Changes
  • Teams used to give QBs years to develop; now, public and media pressure demand quicker results.
  • Drafting and developing talent is a process; fans need to return to that mentality.
  • Alan Hahn (08:12):

    "It takes a couple years until it hits and then once it does, as you saw, it hit for the Giants pretty big. But you don't do that today. And I kind of think that mentality has got to return. It's just harder to do..."

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3. Deep Dive: Which NFL Franchises Have a QB Legacy? (10:06–21:02, 41:20–42:42)

• Segment Overview

  • The trio goes division-by-division, playfully debating and ranking the all-time best QBs for every NFL franchise, finding that "having a true franchise quarterback" is rarer than most think.
  • Notable for the mix of serious debate (“Is Eli really the Giants’ best ever?”) and comic relief (mispronounced names, “Giuseppe Demoufe”, quips about forgotten QBs, etc.).
  • Frequent ribbing over who remembers which “old timey” QBs.

• Notable Quotes & Moments

  • Peter Rosenberg (10:06):

    "How many franchises are mid, historically, when it comes to the quarterbacks? How few of the franchises have truly great quarterbacks in their past?"

  • On the Jets' legacy:

    "The Jets? One pretty good one, if we’re honest." (10:48)

  • Hall of Fame Barometer:

    "If you’re in the Hall of Fame, he’s not mid." (Don, 10:53)

  • On Chicago:

    "Is there a true great Bears quarterback? ... The answer is no." (18:12–18:33)

  • Green Bay’s continuity:

    "They got Bart Starr, they got Brett Favre, they got Aaron Rodgers... Best so far, I think." (17:19–17:26)

• Memorable Exchanges

  • On the Dallas Cowboys:

    "When you add it up, they're actually among the better ones we've named because even in their down periods, your Romos, your Prescott's, they've had guys who can play." (Peter, 16:52)

  • Multiple callbacks and running gags about mispronouncing the famous NY deli “Zabar’s,” intertwined with the quarterback talk.

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4. Call-In Segment: Old-School Quarterback Memories (28:12–34:31)

• Listeners contribute forgotten names and trivia

  • Callers suggest overlooked quarterbacks (e.g., Roman Gabriel, Daryl Lamonica, Otto Graham, Earl Morrall).
  • Hosts add further trivia; Don recalls that Roman Gabriel coached the Raleigh-Durham Skyhawks, the only pro franchise to never win a single game (29:03).
  • Don La Greca (29:06):

    "Coach the Raleigh Durham Skyhawks of the World League of American Football. To this day the only professional sports franchise that never won a game..."

• Playful banter about just “shouting out names” at this point (30:47).

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5. (Re)Defining Greatness: The Eli Manning Question (33:13–47:08)

• Is Eli Manning Underappreciated? (33:13+)

  • Debate on whether Eli is underappreciated because he was never “the best” in the league, even with two Super Bowl wins.
  • Alan Hahn (34:53):

    “The good teams – have good offensive lines and defensive lines. That's how you win."

  • Don La Greca (35:08):

    "I never understood the Eli hate, but I really thought after all these years of bad football and bad quarterback play, we would start to appreciate Eli a little bit more."

  • Discussion: Can you find any other player in any sport whose “peak” was not considered all-time great, yet who still won multiple titles as a main character?

• Comparison Attempts (36:25–46:57)

  • Struggles to find true analogs for Eli.
  • Brief digressions into other sports (hockey goalies, Yankees core) but consensus is that Eli’s profile—never a #1 QB, yet a main piece in two championships—is extremely rare.
  • Nick in Connecticut (45:45):

    Talks about Yankees' core four, but most agreed it’s not the same; in team sports, multiple championships as a main character almost always mean “all-time great.”

  • Return to the theme: Even after years of mediocrity post-Eli, fans seem slow to retrospectively appreciate his accomplishments.

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6. Other Notable Moments

• Calling Out Omitted Names (31:02, 41:20)

  • Twitter/Listeners remind hosts about Steve Young (San Francisco 49ers), Michael Vick (Falcons/Eagles), Carson Palmer (Bengals/Cardinals), and others.
  • Peter (31:04):

    "Tell Twitter to go shove it."

  • On Vick’s unique profile:

    “Vic at his best, when you watched, he was a video game. He was faster than every player on the field, had the biggest arm in the league by a mile.” (Peter, 42:34)

• Light-hearted food tangents (25:03–27:46)

  • Banter over Zabar’s black and white cookies as part of the show’s irreverent, New York flavor.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• "The guys that struggle early, if you're patient, end up becoming franchise quarterbacks."
  — Don La Greca, 06:34

• “Don’t microwave this thing, man. It’s not how it works.”
  — Don La Greca, 07:16

• "How many franchises are mid, historically, when it comes to the quarterbacks?"
  — Peter Rosenberg, 10:06

• “Is there a true great Bears quarterback?... The answer is no.”
  — Alan Hahn & Peter Rosenberg, 18:28–18:33

• "I never understood the Eli hate, but I really thought after all these years of bad football and bad quarterback play that we would start to appreciate Eli a little bit more."
  — Don La Greca, 35:08

• “In the history of the sport isn’t considered one of its greats. But yet he did it.”
  — Alan Hahn, 44:22

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Jackson Dart’s Impending Start & Fan Expectations: 02:03–08:47
• Historical Patience with QBs vs. Now: 07:23–08:47
• Which Teams Have (or Lack) All-Time Great QBs: 10:06–21:02
• Callers Recall Forgotten QBs: 28:12–34:31
• Debating Eli Manning’s Place in History: 33:13–47:08
• Missed Quarterbacks: Listener Feedback: 41:20–42:42

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Episode Tone and Language

The hosts are passionate, playful, often tongue-in-cheek, but always deeply knowledgeable. They frequently poke fun at themselves, each other, and their listeners. The conversation transitions seamlessly from sharp sports analysis to inside jokes, nostalgic asides, and classic New York cultural riffs (food, radio, sports heartbreak). The podcast feels like eavesdropping on veteran sports fans deep in argument at a classic NYC deli.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

If you missed the episode, you’ll appreciate:

• A deep, highly entertaining survey of NFL quarterback legacies—franchise by franchise, Hall of Famer by Hall of Famer (and “mid” by “mid”).
• Timely reminders (both cautionary and optimistic) for Giants fans about the difficulty and importance of developing quarterbacks—rooted in the examples of Eli and Phil Simms.
• A lighter segment with callers and hosts swapping old-school names, anecdotes, and trivia.
• Extended debate over how rare it is for a player (like Eli Manning) to be central to multiple championships without ever being considered “the best” at his position.
• Plenty of classic New York attitude and friendly trash talk.

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For those who love football history, NYC sports, or just good radio, it’s an episode full of wisdom, banter, and the stuff of barroom sports debate.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

That sounds like heaven to me. Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3.

[A]

On 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. All right, big five o' clock hour. Like you dream a little late into the five o' clock hour but for good reason of course. Again, great to see Greenie, but you can tell by the way Dom Peter like it's in him, right? Radio is in him. He loves it and misses it and he sat down, put the headset on and well he I want to talk to Jackson Dart and he really gave us, you could tell how, how into it he is. It's just fun to have him around. We need to have him around more often.

[B]

I when I was in the car and he was talking about how long we've known each other and it brought back a lot of memories of the infancy of this radio station and we didn't have any local programming and I was doing localization for Mike and Mike in the morning and he was the one person in Bristol that was completely invested in the success in New York. I mean everybody else wanted us to do well, but he was invested because he was a New Yorker and he wanted us to succeed and he was always available for us. And then once we started doing the Michael K show, he would come on, he promote, he would come on Jet games to promote in the pregame and come on call into the post game show because he knew the balance of being a professional and being a fan and he's made it work and he just has always been invested in our success and I'll always appreciate it because he doesn't have to be. He's a star. He's got other things to worry about, but he still cares about ESPN New York and I love him for that.

[A]

800 now 193776 we want to get calls going on this. We talked to you a little bit about Jackson Dart. He is going to be now your starter for the New York Giants. And for a lot of you Giants fans have been calling for this for the last couple of weeks. This is the time so how do you receive Jackson Darden? What are your expectations? Because Darius Slayton, we played it for you earlier. He's. He's warning you, like, look, it's going to take time. We got to bring him along. He's going to do fine. But don't set these expectations, and if he doesn't meet them immediately, you start giving up on him. That can't happen. So what are the real expectations for Jackson Dart as he will get the start this Sunday against the Chargers.

[C]

Well, I was going to tell Don that the second Allen sat in your chair, him and Greenie immediately had a missed awkward handshake.

[A]

Yeah, it's incredible. It must be the chair.

[C]

That's how bad things are.

[A]

It must be the chair. I don't know if it got seen because it was split up, but I turned, I wanted to give him a handshake. He is big on the fist bump and I forgot that.

[C]

Also, I find it incredible that Alan. Don manages to be here and speak at the UN Simultaneous. Oh, no, this is French President Emmanuel Macron. I'm sorry, I thought that was Alan Hahn.

[A]

Wow. Yeah.

[C]

Look at you right there.

[A]

Oh, come on. No, come on.

[C]

It's a far off.

[A]

A little bit.

[C]

He couldn't go interview Clyde Frazier right now?

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I'm going to show. I'm going to send you this picture, Anthony, on Twitter.

[A]

Yeah, let's. I'm not sure. I didn't get a good. I didn't. First of all, I'm sure it's not offensive, but I didn't get a good look at it. So I'm not quite sure, but I'm.

[C]

Sending it to you and Don.

[A]

Okay. Listen, if I could get some of the benefits of being.

[C]

You mean you also want to end up marrying one of your teachers?

[A]

Well, no, no, no. I was more talking about access and. Oh, things like that.

[C]

We know that he did that. Macron's married to one of his teachers from high school.

[B]

She's much older than him. Right.

[A]

Is that a problem?

[C]

That's how it usually goes with the teacher.

[A]

Is that a bad thing?

[C]

It's an interesting.

[A]

Is that frowned upon?

[C]

I mean, it's a little odd. Yeah. I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, it's strange.

[A]

All right.

[C]

I think she's like 12 years older, maybe.

[A]

12'S not.

[C]

I. No, it's not insane. It's just that they met when he. He was, I think in high school, and she was a young teacher. And then they eventually were married.

[A]

She groomed them.

[C]

I mean, that's it have potential.

[B]

That's an unromantic way of saying it, Alan.

[C]

That's a very legal way of saying.

[B]

But if I had to guess, guys, I would think the Giant fan base is excited now. Are they excited because they know he's going to do well? Are they just excited that now there's relevance to an 03 football team? There's a reason to watch on Sunday to now not just follow the final score, which is probably going to be a loss, but see how your quarterback's progressing, get a glimpse of the future. I think that's how the fan base is going to receive this. I think they're going to be overwhelmingly.

[A]

Positive about it, I think, at the beginning. But we know how New York works. They want, you know, it's still about results, isn't it, Don? Well, can you really tell, like, you're the fan here. You're the guy that's followed the Giants your whole life, right? I know what it's like from a Jet perspective because I've seen we went through quarterback. I, I can't say it, but we go through a lot of quarterbacks. Let's leave it like that. You do, and, and it's so you just get numb to it after a while. Who's this one now? What's this guy's name? Like, I remember a moment where, like, people were excited about Mike White. So it's just, you start buying into these things because you just want to believe that at some point you're a Brock Purdy's going to happen to your franchise. Well, but so you, you, you at first hope to see something that looks right, and then after that it's like, all right, can he win? And then you get frustrated when it's thought it's the same, oh, he's a mess. He's making mistakes. You have to give it time. Do you have the ability to watch games knowing that your win is not the final score? Your win is if each game you're like, you know what? He make mistakes. But there's something there. Like, did you feel like that about Eli Manning? No.

[B]

Well, I was going to say I'm going to right now, educate the younger fan and remind the older fan. When you look at the last two great quarterbacks of this organization, that would be Eli Manning and Phil Sims, right? Both did not get off to great starts. Eli almost got killed in Baltimore, looked awful, won one game, and it was the last game of the season. Phil couldn't stay on the field. It's constantly getting hurt Lost his job to Scott Bruner. Scott Bruner brought the. The Giants to the playoffs in 1981, ending the streak. Not Phil. And then eventually Phil got healthy, got better, and became a franchise quarterback. Same with Eli Manning. But the quick fix guys remember Daniel Jones, offensive rookie of the week after he was able to get a win in Tampa. Danny Cannell wins 10 games in his rookie year, gets the Giants into the playoffs. What happened then? You know, nothing. Those guys didn't amount to anything. So the guys that get off to great starts, history shows you don't amount to anything. The guys that struggle early, if you're patient, end up becoming franchise quarterbacks. So do not judge it in real time. Just get excited about every bad throw, every interception is a learning process. And you want to just see him gradually get better. That's the fun of it. But if you. If he goes out there and throws three touchdowns against the Chargers, don't all of a sudden anoint him. And if he throws three picks, don't throw them away. Just sit back and just, hopefully he's the right guy. And at some point, you're going to start to see it happen with Eli and. And if Dart's the guy, it'll happen. Maybe not this year, maybe it'll be next year. But don't microwave this thing, man. It's not how it works.

[A]

It's amazing, though, you. You, when you mentioned the Phil Sims era, because Eli, it's a little more recent, and I. I feel even though it's, my God, 20 years ago, it's not the same as going back to what the Giants were, which I think is a little more comparable to today. When George Young took over was 1978. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And 79. Was Phil Sims his first draft?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. And you're talking about not making the players for another two years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it wasn't even the quarterback. Right. And not with him. And then it wasn't like becoming a true contender for, if you think about it, five years.

[B]

84.

[A]

84.

[B]

They went to the playoffs nine and seven.

[A]

And that was his. And that was George Young's signature draft, wasn't it? The 84 draft. Yeah.

[B]

We had Carl Banks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So think about how many years you're talking about while you're kind of like, fumbling around trying to figure it out. And today you don't get two years before the heat is on and it's time to move on and fire this guy. Right. It's a different mental. I. I remember there was a time where you could figure it out and make them like you're. You're drafting players, you're developing them. It takes a couple years until it hits and then once it does, as you saw it hit for the Giants pretty big. But you don't do that today. And I kind of think that mentality has got to return. It's just harder to do because you.

[B]

Could shrink it because you're not going to get four years with Jackson Dart. You're not going to. You're not even going to get the three years that Love got in Green Bay. But what I'm saying is, is that you just can't look at it quarter to quarter, game to game like that. So. Because it might not look great right away because. And don't be convinced off of the first. They were convinced Phil was the wrong guy. The fans used to chant Phyllis in the building. They thought he was weak. They thought and here is one of the toughest quarterbacks in football. But they didn't think he can do because they misunderstood the injuries as weakness and they thought they got it wrong. They all wanted O.J. anderson, that that was supposed to be the pick and they didn't know who. Who Phil Simms was from Adam and Eli. Oh this if you remember again in real time. Sean Marion got Merriamman, got picked by the Chargers with one of the picks. The Giants traded him that early on it looked like the Chargers got the better of the deal. They got the better players, Eli can't play. And then you fast forward two Super Bowls later ended up being the right guy. So I'm not saying wait as long as you waited on Phil. I'm just saying if he stinks up the joint on Sunday, don't come to any conclusions. And if he looks fantastic on Sunday, don't jump to any conclusions. You got to compile and let's see what it looks like at the end of the season. Hopefully it'll be with a bull.

[C]

You know what I was thinking about in this conversation? At the beginning of this conversation when you talked about Eli Manning, it made me realize, and this is a relevant conversation when talking about the two franchises in particular, Jackson Dart. How many franchises are mid historically when it comes to the quarterbacks, Just how few of the franchises have like truly great quarterbacks in their past go through that. It's a fun game to play, right? Well, Green Bay, Green Bay starting the AFC east right. The Dolphins have. We know. Got it.

[A]

But they've only had one.

[B]

But they had greasy. They had that.

[A]

Oh yeah, I'm Sorry. Although greasy, got hurt a lot.

[C]

But yes, really good ones.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Okay, Bills now have had two. Really good.

[A]

Yes, yes. The jets one.

[C]

One pretty good one if we're being honest.

[A]

Name it.

[B]

But yeah, they won with him. He's in the hall of Fame.

[C]

No, no.

[A]

If he's a Hall of Famer, he's not mid.

[B]

He's overrated. But I love him.

[C]

He's my favorite athlete to talk to in history. But when we compare him to the other ones, we'll be.

[A]

Yeah, but if you're in the hall of Fame, I think he's got to count it. So 1.

[C]

They've had one and then the Patriots have one. I'm not giving the. I'm not. Sorry. I'm not giving Steve Grogan. I'm not giving Grogan.

[A]

Well, no, no, no. Drew Bledsoe.

[B]

Hey, you know, it's interesting. You know what? Today. Today's the 24th anniversary of the.

[C]

I'm sorry, Bledsoe.

[A]

I mean he got 100 million dollar contract.

[C]

I get it. But he didn't do enough to be concerned.

[A]

He wasn't a franchise quarterback. In your mind.

[C]

We're thinking about historically. Fair enough.

[A]

All right, fair.

[C]

So you're giving him Brady AFC North. Cincinnati now has two.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

All right, maybe three.

[A]

Maybe. Yeah.

[B]

Ken Anderson went.

[A]

Yeah. Went to a Super Bowl. You could say three.

[C]

Cleveland has one. And how great is Bernie Kosar?

[B]

I mean, you're going to go good. If you go just let's do super bowl era. You got Sipe and Kar. And that's.

[C]

And those are both.

[A]

That's not. Yeah, that's not. You're not excited.

[C]

Pittsburgh more than one.

[A]

Yeah. Well, Bradshaw and then.

[C]

Sorry.

[A]

Bradshaw and Bradshaw.

[B]

Yeah. And. And. And Neil o', Donnell, Bobby Brister, of course.

[C]

Now Don, you and I are of the. You and I are of the. Both Bradshaw and Roethlisberger overrated to some degree camp. But they're both still too.

[B]

They're forever quarterbacks.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then there's one more.

[A]

Baltimore has one. One.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, they got one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

South.

[C]

Should we even bother Mark Brunel and Trevor Lawrence? No, we're not doing that.

[A]

I'm not. I'm not playing that game.

[B]

But Colts, you know, Johnny Unitis and Manning.

[A]

So that's.

[C]

That's. Now that's not mid. That's.

[A]

That.

[C]

That's number one so far.

[A]

And then luck, the Indianapolis Colts are in the South.

[C]

That part makes no sense.

[A]

Still doesn't make sense.

[B]

But don't have even just in Indianapolis to Be able to have Luck and Manning.

[C]

Are we willing though to. If you include United's Luck and Manning, we put that number one right now. Best quarterbacks have ever.

[B]

What you mentioned so far.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Until we get. Until we get to the NFC.

[C]

Tennessee has McNair. Great.

[B]

If you want to go back to Houston.

[C]

Warren Moon if you agree. I guess if you consider. Yeah, that makes sense.

[B]

And Dan Pastorini and what's the other.

[C]

Team for the south we did Jacksonville. Right. And the Texas. Yeah, we'll find out.

[A]

Yeah. We don't know. Yeah. So get to the nfc. So when you go to the west.

[C]

You got to do NC West.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So the Chiefs have Patrick Mahomes. I mean Homes and Dawson and Montana and Deburgh. No, no, I mean nothing.

[A]

I mean Montana is going to be. Is owned by somebody else.

[C]

Dawson. Don.

[B]

What's that?

[C]

How good was Dawson?

[B]

The hall of Famer won a Super bowl.

[A]

Super Bowl 4 Denver obviously Elway and Manning.

[C]

But you're not. You know.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know if you get Manning.

[C]

You got to count them with one franchise.

[A]

Yeah, but. But you know obviously Chargers.

[C]

Chargers.

[B]

And, and Rivers. And Rivers. Yeah yeah, you're gonna count.

[C]

Not bad.

[A]

No, not terrible.

[B]

Not bad.

[A]

Not terrible in terms of.

[B]

Oh Raiders we got Plunkett won Super Bowls and then Kenny Stabler's the best. Right.

[C]

But, but, but again neither of those.

[B]

No, there's that.

[C]

Yeah. A lot of these ones that we're mentioning we're mentioning the best ones but they're still not great. They're just the best ones.

[A]

But when they had them they did were good. That's why they were good. NFC east you don't have a great quarterback and stink.

[C]

The Giants are Sims. Manning.

[A]

You can't.

[C]

Why.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I mean why threw seven touchdowns in a game. Now he was with the 49ers before but he was the best of the.

[A]

Three 60s Manning is the most successful of the three.

[C]

Is Manning the best of the three? Don? Most successful or just most successful?

[A]

Both.

[B]

Well he is eventually going to go to the hall of Fame. Sims is not. And ya goes but part of that's probably his work in San Francisco.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Manning's the best the best ever on the franchise and he still was never the best player in the league or even close to it when he was playing. Yeah, Redskins don't even get started. There's no. It's going to be Daniel in my heart I think it's going to end up being Daniels. They really haven't had an all time great Quarterback Doug Williams historic because he's the first black quarterback to win a Super bowl. But he wasn't a great player.

[A]

He's good. He's all right. He's good. He's all right.

[C]

Good.

[A]

That's more Riggins.

[B]

And then, and we're going super bowl era.

[C]

You can't, you can't count Sammy Ball, who we just found out is 140 years old. Okay. Eagles.

[B]

In the super bowl era. It's, It's Jaworski, Donovan McNabb, Cunningham.

[C]

By the way, that is an interesting one. I, I, I consider Cunningham the best one. I mean, now McNabb went to the super bowl, though.

[B]

Yeah, but he did a lot more. I, I think he, his great success, though, came with Minnesota.

[C]

Well, that was his iconic success. His name was made in Philadelphia. And then the best year of his career was in 98. And, but so like, all right, just keep it.

[A]

Dallas.

[C]

Dallas. You got, you got a couple of good ones. You got Stall back and.

[A]

Amazing though.

[C]

Because like Danny White.

[A]

Well, but you think Aikman and really was Aikman really like slinging it when those Super Bowls or was it on.

[C]

The, on the backs of line ever Smith.

[A]

Yeah, right. But again, not taking anything away from Akum, but it's just like that's another one because it's a brand name. You just immediately think of him as a great. But in comparison.

[C]

But they do have Starback.

[A]

Yeah, that's the brand Starbucks.

[C]

The brand Starbucks, as you call it.

[B]

Romo. And I'll tell you what, Danny White had more success in the postseason than Tony Romo did. Well, that's, you know, so people can jump in this. Don't look at the stats. It's ridiculous because the eras are different. But I think Danny White was a better quarterback.

[C]

Although I will tell you, I'm going to say this as an unbiased. Not hating on the Cowboys. When you add it up, they're actually among the better ones we've named because even in their down periods, your Romos, your Prescott's, they've had guys who can play. They, they generally have a guy who can play.

[A]

They have a guy.

[C]

They got a guy. They got a guy. That's it for the, for the nfc, NFC East, North, Green Bay.

[A]

But we know they like, it's just lineage.

[C]

Yeah, they got all of them.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

They got Bart Star, they got Brett Favre, they got Aaron Rodgers.

[A]

And you know what? Jordan Love's going to be, but he's pretty good.

[B]

The best so far, I think.

[C]

So unfortunately, the Magic man gets left out there. Don. And you know, a lot of Don Makowski fans are upset, but I don't think Frank is worth mentioning.

[B]

Dickey gets an honorable mention just because of his name.

[A]

Just because of the name.

[C]

Minnesota.

[A]

Well, there's your Randall Crane.

[B]

Tarkington.

[C]

Tarkington, Tarkington, Cunningham. But that's only two years. Wherever it was. Christian Ponder, obviously.

[A]

Dante Culpepper, obviously.

[B]

Joe Cap went to a Super Bowl.

[A]

Joe Cap, Teddy Bridgewater.

[B]

Joe Cap, I think is the only quarterback ever to play in a gray cup, super bowl and Rose Bowl.

[C]

That's a good. That's a hell of a. You just pulled that very good professional. Not a lot there.

[A]

All right, Bears get the drop.

[C]

Jacob, come on. When the Bears get mentioned, there's only one name we're thinking of. Who is. Is there. Is there a true greatest moment. The bear Scott. Jim McMahon. Is there. Is there a. Is there a true great Bears quarterback?

[B]

Nah.

[C]

Jake Cutler. Rex Grossman.

[A]

Rex Grossman.

[C]

Kyle Orton. Jim McMahon.

[B]

The answer is no.

[C]

No answer is no.

[A]

Leon.

[C]

Oh, the Leon.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Rodney. Pete.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

I mean Stafford.

[B]

Bobby Lane.

[A]

Stafford.

[C]

It's Stafford. And golf. Right. It was. How great is Bobby Lane?

[B]

They're great. Hall of Famer. But you know, if we're going to conclude ya tittle, we got to include Bobby Lane.

[C]

All right. NFC West, Rams. You got Jim. Don't call him Chris Everett.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

And Stafford.

[A]

Well, Rams. If you're talking Rams, you can go to St. Louis. So you got to include that. You got to include that because they did move back and forth.

[B]

And Vince Ferragamo.

[A]

Sure, Ferragamo.

[C]

By the way, Jim ever was huge.

[A]

And then Cardinals.

[B]

Jim Hart, Neil Lomax.

[A]

Look at you.

[C]

Give me Kurt Warner again.

[A]

Right. And then, I mean, I think. Did the Niners match up with.

[C]

Oh, now the Niners are having a conversation.

[A]

Niners and the packers kind of. Are they matching up here?

[C]

Is there. Is there anything.

[B]

It's in Montana. What else are you going to do?

[C]

Yeah. In terms of true greatness. Unless you're a big Jeff Garcia guy.

[A]

No Garcia.

[C]

Kaepernick Purdy. It's been a lot of people over the last.

[A]

I was waiting for Don to give me like a, you know, you know, mud cat grange or something like that.

[C]

You know, Johnny. Johnny Blue Socks.

[B]

I was gonna say. How about the quarterback before they drafted Joe Montana was Steve Deberg, who like, literally played 30 years in the league.

[C]

Well, yeah, I mentioned Deburgh for the Chiefs.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then Montana went to the Chiefs.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Circle.

[C]

Seahawks.

[A]

Seahawks.

[B]

Is good.

[A]

Yeah, this is good.

[B]

All right, because you got. You got Dave Craig.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Moon.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Ross. Hate him now, but he would. You.

[B]

Jim Zorn.

[C]

He got.

[A]

That's true.

[C]

Every rose has its Zorn.

[A]

Oh. Oh, I'm bad for the All Star one, but you gave me that.

[C]

Sorry, I just made that one up.

[A]

I don't even think Berman used that.

[B]

This is the most fun segment we've had, like, really in a while. This is Quarterback.

[C]

There's nothing better than naming old timey.

[A]

Quarterback because Peter and I are in the 21st century, and you're, like, giving us names from, like, 1927.

[B]

I honestly, I probably could name the starting quarterback all the starting quarterbacks from 1978 quicker than I can right now.

[C]

Oh, yeah, for sure. It's built into your rate.

[A]

Do we. Do we forget any Giuseppe Demoufe?

[B]

You got the Saints. You got Archie Manning. You've got Drew Brees.

[C]

Actually, that. That's not bad.

[A]

You got Taysom Hill, but that's not what his real name is.

[C]

Tayson Prince. Tayson Hill.

[B]

And then the Buccaneers. You got Doug Williams.

[A]

Tom Brady.

[C]

Tom Brady's gone.

[B]

Brady.

[C]

What's his face? The super bowl guy.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, Brad Johnson.

[B]

Brad Johnson.

[C]

Brad Johnson. And Trent Dilfer.

[A]

Trent Dilfer.

[C]

You got Jake Delhami.

[B]

Terry Collins. Kerry Collins.

[A]

Sure, Terry. Or Kelly.

[C]

And Cam Newton.

[A]

Kerry was better than Terry.

[B]

And then. Yeah, again, Cam Newton's probably the best of all of them.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then Atlanta. Steve Barkowski.

[C]

All right, look at you. Back up, George. Backup. Brett Favre. No, you got Matt Ryan.

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[C]

And you got. Who was. Oh, Chris. Who? 90. Who's 90s? Who's 90s?

[A]

Wasn't Jeff. George.

[C]

No, not. Not for a long period of time. Quarterback.

[A]

When.

[C]

When Dion was on the team, like the Dirty Birds.

[B]

Oh, Chris. Oh, cool.

[A]

Chris.

[C]

Number 12. Why am I spacing on the 90s? Chris. Chris Chandler.

[A]

No, I don't think it was Chris.

[C]

He was there, too, but no, that's not him. Yeah, Chris Miller. It was Chris Miller.

[A]

I tell you what, everybody can join in on this conversation if you're screaming at the radio or at YouTube.

[C]

Quarterback.

[A]

All Tommy quarterbacks. We did not bring up that Tommy Kramer.

[C]

Speaking of which, we left him out in Minnesota.

[A]

Don.

[B]

Frank Gifford standing over a Fallen Frank Gifford.

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Be part of this, Eric. Oh, my God.

[A]

That was a conversation.

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[C]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[A]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Nobody told us if we had a radio show to do, so Peter brought in Don some delicious Zarbers.

[C]

Zar Zabars, Zaber Zobers. Could you be less Jewish?

[A]

Yes, I could.

[C]

You could not even.

[B]

You said zar stop presenting. You knew I was only going to be with you guys for like 20 minutes or so.

[C]

No, Don, it was sitting right there. I'm sorry. I, I.

[B]

We had a whole meeting.

[A]

These are.

[B]

I think the meeting would have went down a lot easier with some this.

[A]

Nice black and white cookies.

[C]

It's one cookie. It's like a piece of Cake.

[A]

Well, it says, you see this plural. So you must have ate one already.

[C]

No, no, no. It came in one in the wrapper, legit says cookies. I get it. What it says. So there's one in the wrapper.

[A]

One. Well, there's half now.

[C]

Well, yeah, but. So the problem is, Don, I forgot to bring it out when you were here. Now, Alan had a piece like a gentleman. Yeah, but the other two freakazoids. I work with Anthony.

[A]

How quick was Jake to say no?

[C]

Jacob, he's like, I don't like cake.

[A]

This ain't cake, man.

[C]

You don't like a black and white cookie?

[A]

You gotta love these.

[B]

Listen, black and white cookie, I've had cake of Js.

[A]

There are better cookies than black have. You need a zarburz.

[B]

That's your problem.

[C]

No, honestly, can you tell. Taste the zabar.

[A]

You need to. You know why? Because I've had the black and white cookies before that are cakey and like, they're not this. I've also had the light like black.

[B]

And white cookies for. From like the regular deli initially.

[A]

Bro, you need, you need.

[C]

Come on, Jacob, will you do the right thing?

[A]

It's soft, it's moist.

[B]

Right now.

[A]

It's.

[C]

Come over here and get this. He's coming.

[A]

Get some.

[C]

And in fact, I want you to sit in the greeny seat and I want him to eat a piece like a gentleman.

[A]

Have some zarbers. Get over here. It's.

[C]

Please call it Zabar. Now listen, now why. Why does Anthony just have to shoot everything down that we all just. He never wants to have anything.

[A]

Sit down.

[C]

Sit down like a gentleman.

[A]

Get on camera. Enjoy this.

[B]

No, you know that, that's. That's the key word with that. That's the problem with Anthony. He doesn't enjoy things. We had lunch today and listen, he.

[A]

He.

[B]

Remember Andrew Gunling used to have like the sandwich on the burger roll?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's kind of what Anthony does. And he just scarves it down. It's sustenance to him. Like he doesn't want to sit down and savor the flavor. Enjoy. No, he just scarfs it down. Just because you need to eat other. Otherwise you die. You can't scarf. It's something that I. You. I enjoy eating. I don't want to be distracted. I want to be able to taste it and enjoy. Doesn't enjoy things.

[C]

This isn't your everyday bodega. Black and white.

[A]

Come on, admit it. No, certainly not. This is way better.

[B]

You know what? There you go.

[A]

Was I lying? I might Need.

[B]

I might need a pack to take home.

[C]

Take the rest of it.

[A]

All right.

[C]

I don't need this. You know, Allen's thin waistline. Can't have more of that. You're done though. You're disciplined. Take that in the other room. I'm sure Anthony won't touch it. God forbid he enjoy a delightful treat on the Jewish holiday. I brought something from Zarper's as it's known to share with the people.

[A]

Zach Zarba makes them. Zach Zarba, Exactly. Now we know. Remember?

[C]

You remember, right?

[A]

Remember he refereed at the the Jewish Center Eastern Parkway.

[C]

I remember that.

[A]

He was the crew chief. He's a Brooklyn guy. Used to call games at the Jewish center in Eastern Falkland. It's the best drop.

[C]

It's the best drop in the history of the state.

[A]

God bless you, Spike. We have calls, so there are some old timey quarterbacks that we may have forgotten. So let's get to these calls. 800-919-3776. Geno in Rockland. Gino, who do you have for us? I'm an old guy and I was an I'm a Giant fan for years.

[C]

And I always watched the NFC back in the day. Roman Gabri, the LA Rams.

[B]

Very good one that a good one. Gabriel, who became. Here's some trivia that'll just drive my two co hosts like this is already.

[C]

That one beyond me. You know what he was the.

[B]

He's.

[C]

I know. Dylan Gabriel, current backup quarterback for the Browns.

[A]

Any relation?

[C]

No, I don't know.

[B]

Coach the Raleigh Durham Skyhawks of the World League of American Football. To this day the only professional sports franchise that never won a game. Their their expansion season. They didn't win a game and then they folded.

[C]

Wow, Don with another great stat.

[A]

That is unreal. Don, you've been won again. All right. Ed in New Jersey has one for us. Ed.

[C]

Ed, how far back do you want to go? As far as you want. No, no, I'd prefer to living. People could remember that they exist.

[A]

Well, I, I, I was going to.

[C]

Go couple like Otto Graham, the only Browns quarterback to win like multiple titles. Frank Ryan, who won it with Jim Brown, Bob Warfield and Norm Van Brocklin. Oh, these are reasonable.

[B]

Yes. John Brody never got any better.

[A]

Nicely done, Ed.

[C]

Don't eat your phone, buddy.

[A]

Yeah. Didn't mention autogram before, did we? Larry of West Orange. Larry, Larry.

[B]

Larry.

[A]

Hey, guys. Hey.

[C]

We forgot about Don Meredith and Daryl lamonica.

[B]

Yeah, Daryl lamonica was good.

[A]

I couldn't think of lamonica's Name fast enough. I was like, in my head, like, there's a name I'm not thinking of. And that was it.

[B]

Yeah, that was. That was a good one. I don't remember that one, you know. You don't remember that one?

[C]

No.

[A]

Raiders, right?

[B]

Yeah. Old time Raiders.

[A]

Yeah. Would you guys consider Earl Moral since he led two teams in the Super Bowl?

[B]

You know, Earl Morrow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He was the one that replaced Gracie.

[C]

In 72, and he was also united in 69.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Well, didn't he start the. The super bowl against the Jets?

[B]

Yes, he was the starting quarterback.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And he was also a giant. And that was at the end of his career.

[A]

Yep. Somehow you always end up a giant. Thank you, Larry.

[B]

It is.

[A]

That was actually fun. Those are fun.

[C]

There was a purpose originally. Now it's just names. We're just saying.

[A]

I was just coming up with.

[C]

We showed Rich Gannon no love in the Raider conversation. Went to Super Bowl. Hell of a player. Hell of a player.

[A]

Twitter's brought up something troubling. Oh, here we go. Do you guys forget Steve Young?

[B]

No, no, no.

[C]

Tell Twitter to go shove it.

[A]

It was Montana. And yeah, like, we. That was like, easy.

[B]

One person.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

When you mentioned it, too. Yeah. I said the two quarterbacks.

[A]

You only said one name, but you.

[B]

Said obvious is two quarterbacks for San Francisco. So a lot of people.

[A]

A lot of people heard Jeff Garcia and said, no joking about that. No. What we were doing was almost assuming. We don't need to say it. Everybody knows it.

[C]

Right. But then we were trying to think.

[A]

Of another one, and that's what we were trying to do is find one more from the past. I thought Dom was going to give us some old, like. Like, what would be a typical old school 49er quarterback name.

[B]

Was it John Brody?

[A]

That's a pretty good name.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

John predates me.

[A]

Right. But you know, like, play for the 49ers. You got to have some kind of name. John Brody. Definitely would be that kind of name.

[C]

John Brody. Brock Purdy, bro.

[A]

Look at that. Mark in Connecticut talking about Jackson Dart. What's up, Mark?

[C]

Hey, what's up, guys?

[A]

Geez, I could have grown.

[C]

I could have grown a beard during.

[B]

That freaking segment that took forever.

[A]

Most of the guys we talked about.

[C]

Yeah, that's right. And are growing a beard underground.

[B]

You got a giant franchise, right.

[C]

You got a giant franchise that just lived through the freaking Tommy Cutlass era and Daniel Jones. So, I mean, what's the worst that can happen?

[A]

Starting Jackson Dart.

[C]

The guy I feel like has more piss and vinegar than the last five giant quarterbacks combined. Well, a lot, but a lot bad can still happen, unfortunately. Mark.

[A]

Yeah. He's not ready to risk.

[C]

Football's a risk. Every snap is a risk.

[B]

But you don't want to hurt. Here's the one thing that he has going for him more so than Zach Wilson did. He played a ton of games in college. Right. He played, like, north of, like, 45. Like, he played a ton.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So I. Listen, I'm excited about it. If he's ready now, I don't watch practice. I don't know if he's ready or not. If he's ready. I mean, we were definitely.

[C]

We were excited about Tommy DeVito.

[A]

Well, that was. Mark, that was on you for being excited about Tommy DeVito.

[B]

You were excited about Tommy DeVito, but if we broke Tommy DeVito, you wouldn't have cared. Yeah, because they didn't draft Tommy DeVito. They didn't trade back into the first round to bring in Tommy DeVito.

[A]

No, I got. I got.

[B]

You know, is like the GI Joe. Don't care if he got wet, got stuck in the gutter, didn't matter. Yet a ball with him. We're hoping that one you don't want to take out of the box because it stays mint.

[C]

I love D line, but the guy was a.500 quarterback for his career. I mean, stop.

[A]

Mark, Mark, Mark.

[B]

Did we not see how bad the Giants were down the stretch? That they can't find another quarterback? That maybe it wasn't all Eli's fault?

[A]

Can we not do that, though, Mark? Can we not do the. The. Yeah, but about Eli Manning. He's the best quarterback your franchise has ever had. What.

[B]

What we not.

[A]

Can we not do that? He was. When it mattered most, Mark. He was at his best. That's all that matters. So what. What his regular season record was. Who cares? He also played for a million years, and he somehow went through the worst of times with the Giants and still ended up 500. My God, look at it now. That's almost like, incredible achievement that he. His. His record wasn't destroyed because he was playing for the Giants. That after the last Super Bowl. Look at the. The dysfunction that franchise went through.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And yet somehow he still managed to finish with a 500 record. That's an accomplishment. So let's not try to. Let's not belittle what Eli Manning is. Please. I'm not.

[C]

I'm not belittling at the years. The years he won. He had the best defensive line, the.

[A]

Best offensive line that's usually how a team wins. That's how number one receivers well, but that's how a team wins. I'm Sorry, did the 49ers with Joe Montana have no offensive line, no defensive line whatsoever to speak of no receivers?

[B]

I really thought guys, the good teams.

[A]

Have good offensive lines and defensive lines. That's how you win.

[B]

I never understood the Eli hate, but I really thought after all these years of bad football and bad quarterback play that we would start to appreciate Eli a little bit more.

[A]

I guess not.

[B]

Well, that's just one caller but I, God, I long for those days again.

[A]

Honestly, seriously, do you think it's also generational? If I was too young to really recognize what I was seeing in Eli and the Eli I saw was, you know, was the guy at. In Green Bay when everybody else on the banana boat like is that.

[C]

But if you got to appreciate the super bowl, how can you ever be.

[B]

Mad at the guy?

[A]

Oh my God.

[C]

I get it. Listen to say Eli Manning is the best quarterback in the history of franchise. I get it. It's not dead sexy like having Joe Montana, but the guy won two Super Bowls. He kept you relevant every single year.

[A]

Can you compare. You want to have more fun, Don? Compare Eli Manning to Giants history, to another player in it like who had great success within the franchise but isn't considered an all time great like in any other sport. Can you think of anyone where it's like the player himself in comparison to his position isn't one of the all time greats but yet found a way?

[B]

Wow, that's a good question.

[A]

It's hard to do, isn't it? Because usually when you win multiple championships and you're one of the main pieces, you kind of end up being an all time great.

[C]

I mean that's how it goes.

[A]

I can't think of any. Like I'm trying to think like Chris Osgood in Detroit, but he win multiple. I thought he only won one there. Right.

[B]

I thought it too because I thought.

[A]

I thought Hosick had the other one the other day and then before him was Vernon.

[B]

Yeah, this Mike, Vernon's a good one too. Yeah, you know, but yeah, that's. Yeah, you'd have to think about that.

[A]

Yeah, well, we can do that. And we have calls.

[C]

800 now.

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193-776. Plenty to do more with you Don in the background with the music is this is.

[C]

No, this is tremendous.

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This is hockey.

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This is really hot.

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It's as hockey as hockey down at.

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In n coming up at 6 Mets are in Chicago. So that's why you get a full frontal from us. And I mean we might as well get used to this boys. You know the days of Met game getting knocking us off the air at 6:30 and sometimes 6. I mean this is the last week of the regular season and there might not be any more Mets baseball then.

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Then we'll have the occasional knockoff from Nicks. Nicks or Ranger or Rangers.

[A]

Rangers sometimes have seven o' clock puck drops.

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Right.

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Rangers a lot, a lot.

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It's the rain. It's the Knicks that are unreliable.

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Yeah, there's. It's the Rangers 7:30.

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So Rangers that deliver for you sometimes that suit who delivers you.

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But it's like you don't want to be here. It's like you don't want to be here for the extra half hour.

[C]

I. I'll tell you, I listen because I'm honest. I love the show at 6:30 it feels like when it should end. And 6:30 to 7 is always feels like a bit of a slot.

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CNN feels like the perfect way to close a show.

[C]

Correct. And then it's like, hey, come back and talk to us more people.

[A]

Yeah, let's like it's like you sit around like oh we're still here now.

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And by the way, 6:30 to 7 you know there can be a lot of 637s where it's Rosenberg radio. So you got. You got Alan.

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Apparently today is a Han Solo.

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But today's a Han Solo, I was.

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Told so that could be interesting. In the meantime, lots of calls here to get you before we get to inn. So let's get through as many as we can because apparently there is a name when we're going through franchise quarterbacks that we definitely overlooked. Brando and Queens, your first up with this one. Hey, what's going on guys?

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So you guys missed Mike Vick.

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Yeah, we sure did. It's just awesome. Palmer in Arizona.

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Ensign. Well I'm not giving him Arizona. Yeah, but Palm Cincinnati conversations.

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So since that you got Burrow, you got Anderson, Boomer and Paul Palmer was good.

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He was good.

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He just got the hell out of there.

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Boomer won an mvp.

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Yeah.

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And Burrows, one of the best in the league when he's healthy.

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That's, you know, considering it's a franchise that is a complete disaster. That's. That's a pretty good.

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Although it's funny because Palmer and Burrow both with the injury problems.

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Well, if you're Carson Palmer, you're telling Burrow, get out of there.

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Yeah. You think of Vic is an Eagle or a Falcon.

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Well, it's so Falcons. The right answer, but really in Philly, dude went on the road and what beat Green Bay in the playoffs. They did big stuff with Philly.

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In Philly, the Falcon quarterbacks we talked about. Matt Ryan, I guess would be number one.

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Yeah.

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Because he had gone to a Super Bowl. Chandler went to a Super bowl too, but I don't think he was that great.

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But they both. But could we be honest? They both pale to Vic talent wise.

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And Vic. Vic did go to Lambeau and win a playoff game when no one ever did.

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Ever.

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He sure did.

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And he was.

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Oh, that's a good one.

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You talk about jump off the page good. No, Vic was jump off the page good.

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Vic at his best when you watched, he was a video game. He was faster than every player on the field. Had the biggest arm in the league by a mile.

[A]

He was Tecmo Bowl Bo Jackson. He was.

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Exactly.

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That's what he was.

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I've said the exact same thing. He was Techmo bowl boy Bow in real life.

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You said that. That's the first thing I thought.

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Watching, you're like, well, no one else is able as their characters can't go as fast as him.

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He would just be gone.

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You think you have him and he is gone. And then on the run, he could literally on the run. Chuck at 60 yards.

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Yeah.

[C]

Nothing. It was just crazy.

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Kevin in the UPS truck with an old timey qb. What do you got, Kev?

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Hey, how's it going, fellas? First time, long time since COVID Oh.

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Don'T make my last thinking.

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An old inside the NFL quarterback there, Donald recognized this one. Len Dawson for the Chiefs.

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Oh, yeah.

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He brought up Lynn Dawson.

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I think.

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He'S number two in Kansas City for sure. I mean, my home's.

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Thank you.

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Kevin number one, but yeah, Len Dawson was brought up, no question.

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All right. Aaron in Bayonne. Aaron. Hey, y'.

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All. What about.

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What's up?

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Love the show. You guys are great. Hans, question before about, you know, with.

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Eli is It's really a tough one.

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But are we talking about people that have won and you know, Eli with their mvp?

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Yeah, yeah, it's, it's. You've, you've won multiple and yet you never were considered the best at your position ever, even though you have multiple titles as a main character.

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Oh, yeah, that's.

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That's a tough, that's hard to do. That's what Eli Manning is. If you really think about it, that's what Eli Manning is. He is a main character in multiple championships with the same franchise and yet in the history of the sport isn't considered one of its greats. But yet he did it.

[B]

Well, he'll be considered one of the great when he goes to the hall of Fame. He eventually will. But. Right. Never. I mean, top five.

[A]

Forget his position.

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At his position.

[A]

I think about goalie, a pitcher, you know, the point guard, center, you know, like I can't think, I'm trying to think.

[B]

Even the one that comes to mind and he's going to go to the hall of Fame. But I don't know if you ever considered him the best goalie in the league. But Jonathan Quick's got two titles.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right. He's got over form the winningest American goaltender ever. But that's crazy. Is Jonathan Quick an all time great?

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No.

[A]

Wasn't he though, in his time the best. One of the best in the league though, right? I thought he was considered one of the top five in the league.

[B]

He might. I'd have to go back. You know, he's still playing now. He's 39.

[A]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. You're going back when they probably.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

I'm probably 2012. Yeah, it's possible.

[A]

All right. Because I don't think Eli was ever considered the top five quarterback in the league in his prime. Was he?

[C]

Eli, top five.

[B]

Take a look at that. 08 season, the year that Plexigo shot himself.

[C]

No, he had big numbers.

[B]

He had big numbers that year. But it's interesting. It can't be anybody in the NBA. Right. Because if you win multiple titles, you're a star. You're going to be an all time great.

[A]

Nick in Connecticut. Nick, what do you got?

[C]

I got members of those late 90s Yankees. Only two of those guys are in the hall of Fame with the core four. And then if you include Bernie too, you got three guys there that were some of the best. The best players, not the best in the league.

[A]

Main. Yeah, main character guys. Right. That, that definitely contributed to winning. What do you think? Don, does that work for you? Because again, I still, it's, it's hard to like, those teams were really truly team. There wasn't a one guy that you're like, oh, they don't win. You got Mariano and Cheater, both hall of Famers, both considered top three in.

[C]

Their position of all time.

[A]

Well, I mean, Matt Moe is the best of all time. I don't know if Jeet is considered a top three shortstop of all time. No.

[B]

But he went in with like 99 of the vote.

[A]

Yeah, I know. Yeah.

[B]

But. Yeah.

[A]

What.

[B]

So it's. But when you have Jeter and you have Mo.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It was tough for. It's tough for a pitcher. Right. Because you don't get to make that many a pitch appearances. But like, Jorge Posada was an amazing catcher, but how, how low down the list do you go when you're talking about, like, reasons they won? Like, you got. There's just so many guys. There were. There was such a great team.

[A]

Such a great team. Yeah. They had so many guys contribute.

[C]

Yeah. Their next tier, like, think about it.

[A]

Scott Brocius and the run he had in the World Series that year in.

[B]

98, like, baseball's hard, man. That's really difficult.

[A]

Yeah. Well, this is, this is fun. The calls keep coming in on this at 800 now, 1933776. So we'll keep going with that, but we certainly have ENN coming up. Like you dream of, Peter has been preparing for the last three hours, getting us ready for a big enn. But first dong, there are a lot.

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