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Don Hahn
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Alan Hahn
This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Don Hahn
That sounds like heaven to me. Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3.
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Jake Aspen
On 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New.
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Alan Hahn
York app and your smart speakers.
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Don Hahn
Game time is brought to you by Telemar. Do Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time, guys. Yeah, it's Ch time. That last little one in there, literally and figuratively. American League championship series game two continues tonight. You can hear that on 1050 beginning at 4:30. Matter of fact, it's underway already. We have a score, hon. I don't think it started yet. So 430 was a lie. 430 is when the coverage is the prey. You know what?
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Alan Hahn
Give me a coverage.
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Don Hahn
Coverage I see. Starting at. I don't see coverage.
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Alan Hahn
That's the coverage.
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Don Hahn
Seattle up one game.
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Alan Hahn
By the way, we have. We are underway and it's 00, top of the first.
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Don Hahn
Well, thank you, Alan. The NLCS will get started with game one tonight and that'll be right here on 880 at 7:30. Islanders are already lost to the Winnipeg jets this afternoon five to two. So the Islanders owing three to start the season. Not good.
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Jake Aspen
Brutal.
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Don Hahn
Knicks have a preseason game against the wizards. That's at 7:30. Allen's going to be on the call for that. And the Devils are here in Columbus. That's where I am, here at Nationwide arena for a 7 o' clock face off as the Devils look to get above.500 after a win against Tampa. 5 3. And I want to thank Allen and Peter for reaching out after the game. I thought that's great because you guys got other things to do and Peter was always all the way on the other side of the planet, managed to watch. So I appreciated the feedback. It was very nice.
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Alan Hahn
It was. It was really a lot of fun, man. Like it. It was. First of all, you. I've already said it. Gracie's a big Devils fan so she had a great day of volleyball. And then afterwards we got dinner and said let's get home in time to watch little Devil's hockey. And the game was. I mean first of all, let me ask you. Nevermind. You had fun because you were calling first game, you know, regular season game. But that game was fun.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, it Was a lot.
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Alan Hahn
Like, how much fun was that? Just a call with the amount of goals that were scored. And then, of course, the frantic ending.
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Don Hahn
No, it's great because it was three nothing after one, and the Devils were dominating. And being new, Tampa was going to push back, especially after losing their home opener on Thursday to Ottawa. So they scored two. Could add more. So you went to the third period and Brat scores on a breakaway. Devils make it 5:2, but Tampa makes it 5:3. And they're buzzing. So that was a lot of fun because it's a big difference. I did the two preseason games, but preseason's, you know, of course, and. All right, TVs way different than radio, okay? So I appreciate everybody's patience. It's a bit. It's a bit of an adjustment, but I had a ball doing, and Kenny and Bryce were tremendous to work with, so I appreciated the feedback.
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Alan Hahn
There's no, first of all, no reason for criticism of anything of that game because it is the first of it. So it's the first experience, and you have to go through it and you'll, you'll, you'll, of course, make the adjustments along the way. But it was, to me, again, it sounded like you knew it for 10 years, having Bryce and having Dano and the ability to. Your radio experience came through because your ability to navigate two voices and keep the conversation flowing. And it was a very energetic, fun game. That, that was all very evident. And then that last minute, minute of madness, you were, I mean, you were so on point, which is what it's all about, right? The crescendo of a game. Take it to double zeros, you know, you get the win like that. That's exactly what I want. If I'm listening, I want to hear the energy in your voice go up, retelling me that this right now is an important part and that all existed. Now we got some goal.
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Don Hahn
Let's, let's, let's hear. I got. I got you here, Alan. All right, let's fire up goal one quickly. Come on. I'm sorry. Tell them. Or do the original triple distilled, triple blended, and triple Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew. Honey, during today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullamore Dew responsibly. Phone lines open to talk all things Jets. 1-800-919-3776. But in the meantime, in between time, Donny's first regular season goal call. Don't mind if a do Kiesher gathers It up between the circles. His shot.
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Alan Hahn
Knockdown. Gets the rebound. Save Vasilevsky rebound. Devils score.
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Don Hahn
They stuck with it and they beat Vasilevsky. And it's going to be Timo Meyer with the doubles. First goal of the game and they take a one nothing lead.
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Alan Hahn
Now a Kikim mind. It's in Tampa, so you're not going to get a crowd reaction behind him, but it was still great.
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Don Hahn
Goal number. Goal number two.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Don Hahn
From msg. Ritzler, left wing looking to go coast to coast. He finds Connor Brown, who scores on the deflection. And it's two nothing. New Jersey, Let me ask something. Done. Yes. Give me your. Give me. Give. Give me the truth, the unfiltered. Did you get. I'll explain why I'm asking, but I'm just curious. After the game, did you get any feedback from anyone? Yeah, like what kind? Like just people saying, like, hey, that was great. Good job. Congrats. I got, I would say majority positive. There was. There were negatives. I don't mean from. I mean like at work. Oh, no, Everybody was happy. They were thrilled. I was happy. Yeah. People from work. That's all that matters. People that I. People that I. That are in the business. Chico. Chico made phone calls. Peter Chico made phone calls and he said that everybody he talked to said thumbs up. See, that's a rush. I'm talking about Devil fans. Know who that is. All right, last. Let's. Let's get the one to make it four two. Here comes Brad. All alone. Break away. Jasper Pratt gives the Devils a fortitude.
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Alan Hahn
Okay, is that being recorded in the booth or something? Why?
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Don Hahn
Well, that was definitely a different feed than the like one.
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Jake Aspen
What the Devil's posted.
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Alan Hahn
Oh, the Devil's. So they said. They must have just taken that one clean because the one in the. The second goal. You hear the crowd?
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Don Hahn
Yeah. So I was like, there's a lot. That one. That one had to be the view. That had a covidity to it. You know, it was kind of like the COVID calls back in the day. I was in the building for anybody that's kind of. Oh, because that's their dude off the Mon. Know I was there. Yeah, and a little Danico Steppage, too. God, it's not just Dave.
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Alan Hahn
I think we all need to get used to it.
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Don Hahn
But no, it was Dano. Steppage is different. You know what I mean? It's different.
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Alan Hahn
We love them. We love them.
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Don Hahn
It was so much fun. So. So thanks for the feedback from you guys, especially Peter. Across the planet, Allen on A Saturday. You guys had other things to do, so.
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Alan Hahn
No, we didn't.
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Don Hahn
It was nice that you got locked in, baby. We had you doing that. How did you, how did you get there, Peter? Just on the Internet. Yeah, I was just, I was just finding. I was just searching for clips and I was confused because I thought you traveled the day before. And then I. And by the way, you have to remember my time is so off. I'm 12 hours ahead. Right. So everything is confusing about when things are happening. But then I'm like, wait, the devil's had a game. And then I'm like, why they only pose sport? Why they only post sportsnet clips? And then I realized Odan didn't do this game. Yeah, it was, it was ESPN plus. It was a John Butcher grass vehicle. It was a booty a booch vehicle. So then, then I found it and was. Was rejoicing. Well, Jet fans unfortunately found their London game at 9:30. I guess the good news is it was over early in the sense that you still have the rest of your day to try to make up for what you had watched. There were good things. They didn't commit a ton of penalties. Right. They didn't turn the ball over. They got their first turnover of the year. Defense I thought played stellar. That's not a great offensive team in Denver, but. And listen, it's a great defensive team in Denver too. But the offense was the problem and the coach was the problem too. So obviously with the game being over early, I got to see all the stuff on social media of Glenn being eviscerated, including by our colleague here on espn, Jake Aspen, who is a tremendous talent. You know about. It's the worst coach the jets have ever had and he needs to be fired. You guys gotta cool your jets, man. Literally and figuratively. All right? They gave him a five year contract which is outrageous for a coach that has never coached before. From what I understand, they've never made public his yearly salary, but from what I understand, it's more than they usually give for a first time coach. They are invested in this guy and he's somebody that's got blood in the ground. He's somebody that came from a winning organization in Detroit that also got off to a slow start. He's not going anywhere. And as much as you don't want to do it because you've sat here as a Jet fan, however old you are going your lifetime without this team ever winning a thing and you're going to get ready for 15 consecutive years of missing the Playoffs. So I understand your patience has been eviscerated. It's dust, it doesn't exist anymore. But you got no choice here, guys. He's not going anywhere and you got to cut him some slack. He's a first time head coach. He may not turn out to be a good coach. Odds are he probably will suck like all the rest of them did. But to sit here and destroy him just because you thought this team was going to win seven, eight games because you put an unfair expectation around this team going in when they told you they weren't going to be any good. The only thing you should be upset about is that they did tell you that it was going to be different, that they were going to be disciplined and they haven't been outside of yesterday. But guys, you have no choice but to be patient. It may not pay off at the end of the day, but this guy's not going anywhere and he shouldn't go anywhere. You're only six games in. You just hope it's going to get better. Yesterday stunk and it's going to continue to stink for the rest of this year. But we have seen worse starts from better coaches. So try to find whatever patience you can.
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Alan Hahn
I agree on all points. I think he's going to end up being a good coach if he's given enough time and obviously given more talent. I think there is something to be said though about experience and the problem with the jets. As I've said many times, it starts at the top. So we can't do the coach thing. You got to keep going up the ladder. The guy doesn't want to bring in somebody with real experience. We've seen around the league teams hiring coaches that have coached elsewhere to success and then it runs out and then they lose their job and then they become available and other franchises pick them up and they tend to do pretty well. Peter knows it very well with Dan Quinn and I mean you talk about a guy that had to hear about it in Atlanta because of what happened in the super bowl and he can't get away from it. But the guy can coach, clearly. And then you can look at New England and they get Mike Vrabel who did a good job in Tennessee and then it fell apart. But he gets let go. And New England's not stupid. Yes, he's got blood in the ground, but that's a good coach. You bring him in and look what he's done. He's gotten them organized all around the league. You're seeing that there are first time coaches that do figure it out. Dan Campbell in Detroit is a great example. And of course, there's a guy that, you know, you look at Aaron Glenn, they all went through it, the losing. They start out 0, 10 1. They finished 3, 13, 1. That kind of a season is painful, but especially for bad franchises that take a long time to get it right. But they stuck with Dan Campbell even after, like, the laughing at him about the biting kneecaps and all that stuff. What were we doing with Aaron Glenn in the beginning, before the season started, with some of his time at the podium and the way he was talking to the media, as if he was talking to players, the coach speak and that kind of bravado. And we were saying, man, you got to stop. Just be yourself. You notice it at the podium. Aaron Glenn's a lot more like himself now than ever before. Yeah, he's kind of being honest. He's kind of just trying to explain it. He's being calm. That's all. Great. It just takes time sometimes. But if you want to blame anybody's organization, it starts at the very top, right? And nothing's going to change until somebody comes in here and overcomes what starts at the top in this organization.
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Don Hahn
And I really believe this was the game plan. I'm not going to say they're tanking, but I do believe winning is not necessarily the priority.
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Alan Hahn
Not yet.
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Don Hahn
Just trying to get their ducks in a row, trying to make sure who stays, who goes. I really believe this jets team is committed for the long haul with this coaching staff. So what's the long haul? Talk to me about long haul. I don't think they're going to be phased by a really bad first season. I don't. I don't.
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Alan Hahn
Now you're saying you got to show something like year two, we got to see something.
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Don Hahn
Well, I think or two. Here. Here's how I think it's going to work. Forget the record, don't care. But how does it look the last month of the season? Does it look better than the first? If we see what we saw at the end of the second quarter in week 16, week 17, that's going to send up a red flag that there's an issue here. So they may not be able to win games, but you want to be able to see that it's getting better. Then in year two, now you're going to want to see him put it together. So if you start Owens, if you go 1 in 16 guys and you start next year 06, you know what he's going to be in a lot of trouble. But I think he's locked into getting that second year. And I think that they're committed to Muji, they're committed to Glenn because they've gotten things wrong. They finally went out and got somebody that has connections to the franchise. He's come from a winning organization that also got off to a slow start. And you listen for things, right? Like all these. These things are not done in a vacuum, guys. When. When you hear a coach or a player say things. These things were rehearsed before the season started. And you hear Aaron Glenn talking about other coaches that he talked to that got off to slow starts. That was probably said to him when he got the job. Say, listen, we're with you, man. Don't worry about it. Remember, Bill Parcells won three games his first year and they stuck with him. Look what happened with you in Detroit. 0:10 One to start the season and you were able to turn it around. You know, and there's. There's other examples too, of it being positive. Listen, Ben McAdoo went 11 and 5 his first year and they went to the playoffs and still got fired in his second year because it was fugazi, right? Dable still coaching for his job despite being coach of the year in his first year.
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Alan Hahn
Good point.
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Don Hahn
You've got to take everything in the first year with a grain of salt. It's hard for Jet fans to do that, guys, because they've been sold this bill of goods for literally 60 years, and it's going to be a 15th consecutive year of missing the playoffs. So it's hard, man, and you don't know if it's going to work out. It may still not work out, but I believe this organization is committed to being patient. That's why you didn't hear a lot of hype during the off season. That's why they got rid of Rogers, because Rogers would have included a lot of expectations and we'll see if it works out. But, you know, eviscerate. Listen, it makes you feel better to eviscerate the team. Finally you woke up because you've been complacent for the last couple of weeks. So I'm kind of happy. Jet fans are. Yeah, that's a good point. But you're going to go back to being complacent again and it's going to stink. But it's hard. But you just. You just have no choice but to be patient. I think there's still a chance for this to work out. You can't tell On. But what are you going to do?
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, but you can't tell a Jet fan to be patient because they. They. They're going to. The response is going to be, I've been waiting for 15 years just to be relevant again. And that's a real thing. And I. And I completely understand it. So while we're. We're saying it, that's going to take time. I understand why you tell it like you guys know me. Like I. Going into the season was numb. I had no expectations, I had no anticipation. I almost just wanted to get this year over with because I don't think. I didn't think they were going to be good. I didn't think the quarterback was going to be the answer. And it's a frustrating cycle that you keep going through, that you keep waiting for someone who's going to hit as a quarterback, who's going to hit. They've gone through so many of them. So I'm not being patient. I'm being apathetic. That might be the worst feeling to have as a fan where I'm apathetic. Right. It's a sad place to be, but it's the only place I can go right now as a fan, without losing my mind.
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Don Hahn
I thought about this. I wanted to bring this up to you, especially you as a Jet fan. Now we all know why they didn't bring Rogers back.
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Alan Hahn
Yes.
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Don Hahn
They wanted Glenn to have a clean slate, no expectations. And they wanted Glenn.
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Alan Hahn
They didn't want another strong personality in that lockdown.
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Don Hahn
Exactly.
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Alan Hahn
Glenn wanted to be the only strong personality.
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Don Hahn
And that was the MO. That was the modus operandi. That's why they did that.
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Alan Hahn
Yep.
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Don Hahn
But you wonder, if you kept Rogers and Rogers wanted to stay, would it have helped? Like, it would have been another alpha dog in the room. I get that. But it would have been experience in an area that is not Aaron Glenn's expertise. Right. Could it have helped him to have another adult in the room with an inexperienced offensive coordinator? He has no experience as a head coach. Younger team. Hey, Aaron, you know, you're getting towards the end here. You know, can you be a bit of a mentor? Can. Can you help me out? You know, could Rogers have been. We thought of him as a detriment because he's such a big ego, but was with his experience, especially on the offensive side of the ball, been a help to the inexperience they had? Is. Could that have been a way they went? Might not have as far as making the playoffs, but.
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Alan Hahn
Right. But then where are you going?
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Don Hahn
Where are you going now? You're not developing a quarterback like I was all for Justin Fields when I thought they were developing them. They're not developing them. So you're not, You're. You're nothing. You're still looking for a quarterback, whether it was going to be Aaron Rodgers or Justin Fields or Tyrod Taylor. You're still looking for a quarterback no matter what your record is going to be.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Don Hahn
Yeah. So would that. Would that experience have been a help to a young, inexperienced head coach and a young, inexperienced offensive coordinator?
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Alan Hahn
Would they have had a win or two by now? I'd say yes. Would they be. Would they look different to a point where you're saying that, oh, this is a team that can make the playoffs. And the stuff that was some. Some Jet fans were whispering before the season started. I don't know if I still. I still don't know because, look, the injury to Jermaine Johnson to start the season, that was devastating. He's such a big part of what they do defensively, like losing, you know, Quincy Williams, that has hurt them. The Brandon Stevens signing was an abomination, was terrible. You can't guard anybody. So, like, defensively, they still weren't going to be as good as you thought they'd be. But again, the offense has been the problem. And as you pointed out, there was three games that they lost to by single digits that. Can you get two of them and now you're. What. What are you. Is it any different at 2 and 4?
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Don Hahn
Right?
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Alan Hahn
Is it any different? Yeah, I don't know.
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Don Hahn
I. I just wondered if he just. Maybe he wouldn't have been a help. I don't know. But I'm not talking from the aspect of maybe you win a few games. Sneaky. Did a. No, I'm just saying that maybe. Maybe what happened at the end of the second quarter doesn't happen. If Rodgers is the quarterback, definitely doesn't happen. Not because Rogers is better, but Rogers might have said to him, hey, Coach. Yeah, and I can learn from that. Now, I wanted to bring this up. I just got a text message from Jake Aspen. He was not listening, but he was told by another person.
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Alan Hahn
Oh, boy.
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Don Hahn
What I said. And he says he never said that. So I want to get. I want to get that straightened out. I had thought I heard him say that he thought that this team could win six, seven games. Now, if he didn't say that, then I apologize. Maybe it was somebody else that said. There were people that said it. I thought Jake said. Oh, there was Jake on it you let him defend himself Because I don't want to call people out for things that they actually didn't do.
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Alan Hahn
But they were definitely people because you remember you and I would talk about this offline and I would tell you, like, I can't believe, like there's this talk about the jets making the playoffs. I can't believe this is talk about the Jets. Oh, I could think they can win seven to nine games. Like, are you, like, what are you talking about?
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Don Hahn
And maybe, and listen, if I got it wrong, but do you mind if we have Jake on? I'm full. I actually wanted to have him on earlier when I watched a video of his and just saw him sort of.
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Alan Hahn
I like in pain.
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Don Hahn
I think, I think he's just, I think he's as good a person to talk to because he's obsessed with this team to almost scary levels like an ira. But he also has, you know, a really, a sort of a professional opinion and take. So I love to hear from Jake. No, he's, he, he's really amazing at what he does and I want to get this straightened out so we have the opportunity. So Jake will join us hopefully next, unless he's got a date or something. So I expect him to be on in the next segment. Don Han and Rosenberg with you until seven here on ESPN New York.
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Alan Hahn
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Don Hahn
This is the kind of professional that Jake Aspin is. He's going to get the Comrex hooked up so we get to hear him nice and clear. No phone line, none of that garbage. So. But that takes a bit. So he's gonna do that. Coming up next, he's running the Comrex on. Does he have to like get some sticks together and create a fire? Well, not right. You probably just have to go wherever the Comrex is. He goes to the tower. He goes to like he has to go to the Tabletown. I don't know. I have very little knowledge of Jake's background other than I think he's a fabulous talk show. But I don't know where he lives in the sense of it's a mansion. Maybe he's got to go to the 13th floor in order to connect with the comrades. The jet sponsored mansion. Yeah, because he's a go getter man.
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Alan Hahn
He's a hustler. There's no question.
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Don Hahn
Because. But should hustle his way to football. One of his friends. He was not listening. So one of his friends ratted you out? Ratted me out. I want to know what this guy said. Because he sounds like a punk to me. I don't know. But his friend sounds like a bit of a troublemaker, stirring it up. And we're gonna find out as soon as Jake gets connected. Because what I said was I. I thought I heard him say he thought this would be a 6, 7 win team. But even if he didn't say that, there were people that did say that. We took the phone calls, guys, if.
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Alan Hahn
You remember, he did.
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Don Hahn
And I'm just saying, guys, maybe, but let's stop, because I. I think the one thing that we either got wrong or it just never happened was how talented this team was. I. I think we got that wrong, guys. I. I don't think there's the talent here that people assume there is. Sauce Gardner is good, but is he. Darrell Rivas. Garrett Wilson, I think is fantastic. But one wide receiver can't do it alone. And Jake Aspen has connected with the Comrex, and he's joining us here on Donna Roosevelt.
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Jake Aspen
Gentlemen, I'm on the YouTube as well. Great to see you guys.
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Don Hahn
You are amazing. Now, I want to know what your friend said to you.
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Jake Aspen
I heard, and I quote, Don, you know, I came and read the full text because it's not radio appropriate. Don is. Don is ripping you on the air for saying you want Aaron Glenn fired.
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Don Hahn
See, this is. See this? I was right, guys. His friends a punk.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, that's a bad.
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Don Hahn
That's a bad friend you got. You're in that text. Your friend didn't say that. I thought you were an amazing talk show host. Did he mention that?
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Jake Aspen
That did not come up. But I do appreciate the kind words.
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Don Hahn
Tom, you know, and guys, would you say in me breaking. Bringing up Jake, be honest, because maybe I. Maybe I don't know my own tone. Would you describe what I said about Jake as ripping him?
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Alan Hahn
No.
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Don Hahn
All right, so I would disassociate myself with this individual if I were you. But whatever. All. What I. I'm going to tell you what I said.
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Alan Hahn
No, actually, Don, you know, you should say if you want to continue working at this station, can no longer be your friend. You got that kind of power? Swing it, Don.
- [26:40]
Don Hahn
Let me get this before Nationwide arena all of a sudden decides to do the lineup again. And I, you know, he's a friend.
- [26:45]
Jake Aspen
Of Jason for being fair.
- [26:46]
Alan Hahn
So it'd be.
- [26:49]
Don Hahn
That's important information.
- [26:51]
Alan Hahn
Tell him he's out.
- [26:52]
Don Hahn
What I said, and I might have been wrong, Jake, that I thought I heard you say. Because I do listen to the station, and I think you're great that you thought this team could win six, seven games this year.
- [27:01]
Jake Aspen
I had them winning six games this year.
- [27:03]
Don Hahn
Okay.
- [27:03]
Alan Hahn
Yes.
- [27:03]
Jake Aspen
Their Vegas win total by the way, was six and a half. So I don't think I was that.
- [27:06]
Don Hahn
Far off with no, but, but my allegation and the reason I brought you up because a, it's great promotion and it's, it's attaching a name to that. There were a lot of people that were positive about the jets going into the season. Hey, maybe this team can win seven games, maybe this team can win eight games, maybe this team can go into December still playing meaningful games.
- [27:24]
Jake Aspen
But those people weren't positive, Don. The people that were positive, the people calling into my Jet YouTube show every day, these are the people who are saying 9, 10 wins or Justin Fields is going to be unlocked like Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield were. Most Jet fans realistically just wanted to see improvement, wanted to see a well coached team, wanted to see players develop and get better. To see a team that wouldn't beat itself because their head coach doesn't know how to manage the two minute drill. So the bar was very low and they're the only team in the NFL without a win right now.
- [27:52]
Don Hahn
We'll get to that in a second. But what the reason I brought you up because I do feel that a lot of the fans that are destroying the jets, maybe not you, because they're not living up to what I thought were fantasy expectations about the team because I didn't have expectations being around this team as long as I have. I don't have blood in the ground like you as far as being a fan. But you know, doing the pre and post for 16 years, they usually hype up a new coach. They usually, there's a lot of hype around the team. When they got rid of Aaron Rodgers it was, listen, we're not going to be very good. We don't want to have another alpha dog in the, in the locker room and it's going to be a slow burn here and I, you should be very disappointed in the way he's coached. He has not coached well but I think this is very early in the process. He's inexperienced and I think this was maybe not the plan, Jake, but I think they kind of felt like this was going to come and I think they're going to be extraordinarily patient with him. They give him a five year contract. From what I understand they're paying him more than they paid the average first time head coach. I think this is part of a slow burn and that fans should not be as red hot about it because I do think it comes from a place of inexperience, not incompetence.
- [29:00]
Jake Aspen
Here's what I would say, Don, all your points are valid. If Aaron Glenn himself did not complete completely alter what we thought the expectations were going to be for this team, he immediately came in, pumped his chest, talked over and over again about how this team's going to be different. They're not going to beat themselves. He highlighted the fact that they led the NFL in penalties the last two years and until yesterday, the previous two games where the jets looked awful after. Oh, by the way, he said at 03, they're not the same old Jets. They had 23 penalties against Miami and Dallas. Combine two mediocre teams at best to be kind to what the Dolphins are. Oh, by the way. And then I don't want to listen to Aaron Glenn where his first big thing is to just jettison Aaron Rodgers and act like he doesn't need him, give $40 million to Justin Fields, say he's our guy, and then talk about all the different things throughout the course of the offseason and the summer that he was going to be able to implement and just completely miss the mark with his messaging all the way. He thought this team was going to be decent. He thought this team with coaching was going to have a chance to be pretty good. That's why they, they kept a lot of the same players. They chose to bring back Jamie and Sherwood. They chose to keep guys like Michael Clemens and Isaiah Oliver. He didn't bring in a bunch of his guys from the Lions. The only guy that has any experience with Aaron Glenn is Josh Reynolds, who wasn't on his side of the ball and didn't even play for the Lions last year. So, like he thought this team was going to be better than what I think your performance presenting it as. And I had pretty low expectations. I thought they were going to be around their win total, but we'd have proof of this team being well coached. And I think he looks like he's in over his head. I mean that game today, not just any type of loss that was.
- [30:36]
Don Hahn
He might be in over his head, but the idea of not bringing in Tyrod Taylor tells me that it's kind of. I'm not saying they're tanking. I don't think winning is necessarily the priority. When you let Aaron Rodgers walk out the door for Justin Fields. You couldn't tell me you and Brad improve that team. He could say whatever he wants to say. The plan was not to improve by letting Aaron Rodgers go and bring in Justin Fields.
- [30:56]
Jake Aspen
He thought they were going to be able to get more out of the quarterback spot because they were going to have this offense that would feature Fields as a runner. And we're going to bring Tanner Angstrand over from Detroit and we're going to have this ground and pound ball control offense. And he's pushing back at reporters, being.
- [31:10]
Don Hahn
Like, and it worked in week one and now everybody's adjusted to it.
- [31:13]
Jake Aspen
But that's my point, right? They've been progressively worse since week one. And I think the Jet fan just wanted to see a team, right, to quote him, that we were proud to support. I can't say I've been proud to support no anything I've seen. In his second ever game against a division opponent at home, they got their doors blown off against the Bills. Didn't look like they belonged. As bad as Miami is, they almost went into Buffalo on a Thursday night and won New England with Rabel in his first year went into Buffalo and won. You look at Ben Johnson, he has the Bears seemingly heading in the right direction. Liam Cohen with the Jaguars, another first year coach has them headed in the right direction. Yeah, but it's one year worse than the Jets a year ago.
- [31:51]
Don Hahn
I get it. And listen, I'm talking to a fan that has been involved in this forever and you've been told to be patient and you've seen failure after failure after failure. But I could tell you Ben McAdoo won 11 games his first year. How'd that go? Right? You saw how it failed in Detroit. You saw how Bill Parcell's won just three games with the Giants in his first year. And I look back at that 83 year, they were in a lot of games. They had a really good defense, but they got nothing out of their offense. And they almost fired Bill in this first year and they go to the playoffs the next year. I'm not telling you to not feel the way you're feeling. You should feel that way. I'm just telling you, you've got to find a way to be patient because it doesn't mean he's a bad coach.
- [32:28]
Alan Hahn
Let me jump.
- [32:28]
Don Hahn
It's early. We're only six games in.
- [32:30]
Jake Aspen
I'm not saying fire him though, to be clear. I want to make it clear. I'm just.
- [32:33]
Don Hahn
I never said. You said that.
- [32:35]
Jake Aspen
Here's my opinion on Glenn, right? I think through six games he's been about as bad as any Jet Head coach I have ever watched in my lifetime. Thank God I didn't live through the coat tight years. Right? That said, the best thing I could say about Aaron Glenn, Don, is that he still has 11 games to go in his first year to show some real improvement. But if this team is sitting there with the number one overall pick, I'm sorry, I don't care how much money Woody paid him or how many years are left on his contract. We saw Robert Kraft made a tough decision and have the one and done Jarod Mayo for the betterment of his organization and it landed them Mike Brabel. If the jets are sitting there with the number one pick, I just don't think Aaron Glenn and Darren Mugi have earned the right to draft and probably ruin another quarterback that you're going to take that high. That's my big thing. I just want to see some improvement before we just say Aaron Glenn's getting year two no matter what because it's been that bad through these first six weeks.
- [33:22]
Alan Hahn
Well, your first mistake is to think that Woody Johnson is going to do something competent like that and bring in somebody that actually has experience. So we all know that's not going to happen, right? And eat money, that's not going to happen either. He's not going to do that, especially the amount of that's on that contract. But like for me, Jake, the patience thing I get. Because you can't tell a Jets fan to be patient. They've been waiting for years. The patience has always been there. But what I also think though, that we do too much, much sometimes, especially with somebody like if you know Aaron Glenn's story and you know, you know how he's worked his way up and where he's come from, coming, just deciding I want to coach, I want to be involved and starting at the bottom instead of using his, his name and his clout to move a little higher up. He was a scout, he grinded his way up. You understand that he went from a guy that with a lot of bravado walking into this job that he has suddenly lost all that bravado and now he's just kind of talking plainly to people. You could see it, the big, you know, the coach speak stuff at the podium's gone and I'm glad it is. But I also think that there are times that we will give everybody else a chance to learn, especially young quarterbacks, but we won't give a first year coach a chance to learn from his mistakes. He's made mistakes, there's no doubt about that. But you could see it in his face that he's like, damn, I did not expect that. Damn, I did not expect that. Like, you could. You could see that he's already processing his own mistakes and realizing this didn't go the way I thought it did, that he realized that I probably should have put more work on film on this team because otherwise I would have never kept Michael Clemons like, I would have never kept. There's certain players that you just know this is who they are. But you also know you can't turn over a roster that quickly. It does take another year or so. So all I'm saying is if we're going to let a coach develop, let it be a guy that actually was a jet that went through a 1 in 6, that a 1 in 15 and survived to tell the story of the good life with Bill Parcells. Like, at least if you're gonna give someone a chance, let him just get a chance to go through it, learn from mistakes and get better.
- [35:35]
Don Hahn
Jake, I'm with you though, that it's a nice thing to say what Alan just said. But if you, like you pointed out, there's 11 games left, if over that 11, you're not able to show anything head in the right direction on that chart. I see. I'm with you. I think it's very hard to then say, let's run it back again. Regardless of his history elsewhere, Peter, I.
- [35:54]
Jake Aspen
Was in Houston doing afternoon radio when the Texans went through three coaches in three years, right? David Culley, Lovey Smith. They landed on d'. Amico. Ryan's also, by the way, a franchise legend and I hope Darren Glenn would have a similar path to what DeMeco has done these last two years. We watched the Niners go through three coaches in three years before they landed on Kyle Shanahan. I understand it's not a good look to one and done any coach and I hope to God it doesn't get to that point. But Allen, you have to admit, through six games, he has been every bit as bad as Obrick, who was to me, there was no one's the worst.
- [36:25]
Alan Hahn
Coach I've ever seen.
- [36:26]
Jake Aspen
And that's how bad this has been yesterday.
- [36:28]
Don Hahn
I'm not denying it.
- [36:29]
Jake Aspen
It has to get better. Because before I just say he gets year two because he's a great jet.
- [36:33]
Alan Hahn
30 years ago, you're right about that. But it's, it's. He's not acting alone here. Again, the quarterback sucks, but that was his choice. I know he wanted it. That's his first mistake, his first mistake was saying we could take Justin Fields and turn him into something. And then the first mistake was saying.
- [36:47]
Don Hahn
I won't, I probably won't see Aaron Rodgers either.
- [36:49]
Alan Hahn
Well but I'm saying like, like not understanding that the guy can't throw. Like his throws are bad.
- [36:54]
Don Hahn
He.
- [36:55]
Alan Hahn
So every opposing defense by now in five years they know, oh, they want to run the ball with that guy. So we're going to take that away because we're going to want him to throw. You're going to, you want Justin Fields to throw. That's what you've learned. So it's all this stuff that he's starting to realize that no, that was a mistake. But again like I just, he's not acting alone here. No, him, not him not calling a play late in the first half yesterday, that was him letting you know I have no confidence in my quarterback nor this offense.
- [37:23]
Jake Aspen
They make a change at quarter quarterback because before I could have completed wide open passes to Garrett Wilson on the last drive. That was good to get in field goal range. Alan, the bar is low. I'm really not trying to be the fire the coach guy.
- [37:34]
Don Hahn
Hot take radio.
- [37:35]
Jake Aspen
That's if you guys listen to me. You know, I've never been that way. I am just disgusted rooting for this team and seeing what I've seen and Glenn promised to change all this and whether he could or not, the messaging from him, it's on him and the Jets PR staff.
- [37:47]
Don Hahn
No, there's no question and everything with.
- [37:50]
Alan Hahn
What he said, what he said.
- [37:51]
Don Hahn
That's true.
- [37:52]
Alan Hahn
Too loud in the beginning.
- [37:53]
Don Hahn
Well, no, absolutely. And I said it at the time I thought, you know, the, the abuse of the media because it get. I really do believe Jake and you may know better than me that I, I, I felt like whoever was going to be the head coach of this team was going to have to get on board that Rodgers was not coming back. I, I think that was Woody saying we're not bringing him back. And then what because of the whole new sheriff and town mentality with Glenn was I'm going to take ownership of all these decisions that I'm the one that wanted Rogers gone. I'm the one that wanted Justin Fields here. For all we know, Justin Fields was just to make Garrett Wilson happy and trying to give him a new contract. I think that's probably the downfall too of trying to take ownership of this being how much to Vibrato. If I admit anything, I believe he probably thought this job was going to be way easier than it's been.
- [38:37]
Alan Hahn
That's right.
- [38:37]
Don Hahn
And probably did not realize how much damage had been done by the previous regiment and how much work he was going to have to do. But I think fundamentally, we agree. Jake and I said it earlier in the show, it's got to look better. It may not look better, wins and losses wise, but if you see the mistake in the second quarter yesterday happen in week 16, week 17, then I'm totally on board because that means you're not improving, you're not getting better. But let's see how the next few weeks go. Cut down on the penalties. Right. They finally got their first turnover. I know it's not a lot, but it's a step in the right direction and we'll see. All right, promote yourself. When's the next time you're going to be on?
- [39:12]
Jake Aspen
I'm on every Sunday. It's me and Mike Tannenbaum. And by the way, you want to talk about Awkward Radio? So Mike T. Obviously assisted in Woody hiring Aaron Glenn. And I'm killing Glenn on the radio yesterday. How is he not going to tie Rod? Because we're on the air doing the show as the jets are playing a game in London at 9:30 in the morning. We're on 8 to noon every week together, Mike and I. So that was awkward, but we got through that.
- [39:32]
Don Hahn
I love it. I love that.
- [39:34]
Jake Aspen
But yeah, so that's. That's what you guys can all hear me. It's called. It's called New York Game Day. Mike t. And myself, 8a to 12p every Sunday.
- [39:42]
Don Hahn
How hard is that, by the way?
- [39:43]
Alan Hahn
Delete that friend out of your contacts right now. Just delete them.
- [39:46]
Jake Aspen
Done.
- [39:47]
Don Hahn
I had to go through this a lot, you know, through my career of having a big game going on while I'm doing a show. Like, how did you handle doing a show and your team's on so stressful.
- [39:58]
Jake Aspen
It's. You feel like you don't get to really watch every play the way you would if you weren't trying to multitask on the air. And you got to think about everything you're saying because it's a public position that you're in. Right. I felt like I was missing things. And the problem was too, Mike was doing the show out of Bristol and he was ahead of where I was.
- [40:17]
Alan Hahn
Doing the show from home.
- [40:18]
Jake Aspen
So he's. I'm in the middle of talking. He's like spoiling what's coming and if it was a good or bad play, I'm now like, forgetting what I'm supposed to be Saying. And I'm looking at the screen and we got 30 seconds to go till whatever play, play that he's going ooh and ah about on the radio. So it was. It was not fun yesterday, Don. It would have been fun and all worth it.
- [40:33]
Don Hahn
But you hear the difference, Don, is that unlike Dave Rothenberg, Jake, who's just as obsessed with the jets, he's a professional. He was able to do the job. He didn't have to say no. He didn't. You know, he didn't call in sick because the jets are right. He went and did the job he had to do.
- [40:49]
Alan Hahn
I poured gasoline on the microphone and then lighted on fire. Fire in the middle of the show.
- [40:55]
Don Hahn
I miss. I mean. I mean this in the best way possible. Jake, you're. You're a bit much, but I love you and I think you're. You're doing an amazing job, and I'm glad that this little awkward moment got us on the air together, and I'm looking forward to doing it again. Man.
- [41:09]
Jake Aspen
Don, you know I love you. I love you, Alan and Peter as well. I've. I've been listening to all you guys for, you know, as long as you've all been on the station. I mean, besides maybe Don. I started listening to Don in 2006 on the old K show. So an honor to join you. Anytime you need someone to commiserate about the Jets, I'm here doing it. So whatever you guys need.
- [41:26]
Don Hahn
Thanks, Jake. Thanks a lot, Jake. And that was kind of a rite of passage at the Super Bowl. You'd have to pop on his show in Houston, and Michael and I would always do it, and Peter did it later on. He's. He's a great talent. It was fun to get him on.
- [41:38]
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- [43:01]
Alan Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
- [43:04]
Don Hahn
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
- [43:06]
Alan Hahn
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- [43:13]
Don Hahn
So there's other things besides football with the jets, we got the Giants. They played Thursday. Local hockey teams underway. Alan, not good for the Islanders.03 star.
- [43:25]
Alan Hahn
Not good.
- [43:26]
Don Hahn
Shavers look good, but, you know, and what's going to be a very, very competitive division. All these points count, man, and you're not getting any. The first three games is really tough. Although that's a good Winnipeg Jet team. It is.
- [43:38]
Alan Hahn
But like Don, it just, just watching. They had a good start to the game, but they, they just have the same. It just becomes the same thing year after year. And that's the part that's frustrating. The only thing worth watching right now is the kid Schaefer. He. He's just really, really. He. He's exciting to watch. And that's, that's all I got going.
- [43:56]
Don Hahn
For me right now there. Yeah. Devils one and one. They had a big win against Tampa. See what they do against an upstart Columbus team that a lot of people are high on. And the Rangers are two and two. And it's odd. Now it's going to go home. Their own two at home got shut out both games. Although they played fabulous last night. I got a chance to watch it because it was on the NHL network and I thought they played great, but Quick was terrific. But unfortunately for them, Charlie Lindgren was better and they lost one nothing. But they were talking like moral version.
- [44:26]
Alan Hahn
Victory like, like if we play like that, more times than not, we're going to win that game. And they were, they thought they found their game and even though, even though you lost one nothing.
- [44:35]
Don Hahn
Well, I mean, Sheldon Keefe, the Devil's head coach, was saying it today like there's going to be. And Dean Evanson said it as well, the head coach of the Blue Jackets because it's early, that's. There's going to be games where you outplay the opponent and lose. And there's going to be times you don't deserve to win and you win. But, you know, the Rangers felt like they can build off of something like that. And they've got Connor McDavid coming in tomorrow to the Garden. We'll see if they. Ctv, can feed off of that. Now, you got the Knicks tonight.
- [45:01]
Alan Hahn
Yep.
- [45:01]
Don Hahn
Knicks, Pistons and Madison Square Garden close. Wizards. I'm sorry.
- [45:05]
Alan Hahn
Yep.
- [45:05]
Don Hahn
Same thing. Don? Well, I, I was gonna say. No, the Pistons could actually be good. No, I know they're very good, but. So how many more preseason games left and what could we expect tonight?
- [45:16]
Alan Hahn
Well, it's two. I, I don't think nothing's official, but, like, this is that. So they played three. Then you have this one. You know, the one Friday night is going to be like the dress rehearsal for the season. So I do feel like tonight might be more of a, you know, the bench depth kind of thing and like letting some other guys play because, you know, he's played the starters in the first half of the first two games. He took them into the third quarter in the game last Thursday. I just feel like if, if there's going to be one where he even said, you know, he's going to make some decisions on what he wants to do with players in this game. So this might be one of those guys who have an opportunity to make the roster. This is your night to watch.
- [45:57]
Don Hahn
And in the baseball guys, that's a bad loss for the Blue Jays. You know, when I was watching the game on Thursday, I guess was, whatever. No, I'm sorry. The game on Thursday, Friday night, when the Mariners won in 15 innings, like, throughout the game, all they were saying is, oh, right now, the Blue Jays are salivating back home. You know, they're, they're going to get a fifth starter. They're going to get a team that's worn out, bullpen's worn out, and they got shut down. Outside of the Springer home run. That's a tough loss to start the series. They're not done. It's the best of seven now. But that's a tough loss when you've got all those advantages in game one and you got a lead and you lose. That's a huge win for Seattle. Huge.
- [46:36]
Alan Hahn
It's. It's a, it's a massive win. But it also shows you, again, if you're a Yankees fan, the Blue Jays had had your pitchers, starting pitchers, they had their number. They knew exactly what they wanted to do. Their. They were prepared for that series. Things completely changed when it comes to Seattle because that offense that looked unstoppable against the Yankees was completely shut down. Right?
- [46:59]
Don Hahn
Yep.
- [47:00]
Alan Hahn
Like it's as simple. Klapich had a great interview with Don Mattingly, who's obviously the bench coach in Toronto. The stuff he said about the Yankees and how they matched up well with all the starters and how they had success throughout the regular season against the Yankee starters and that success gave them that confidence going into that series. It was so telling. But there's a couple of quotes here that if we have a minute. Can I share them?
- [47:24]
Don Hahn
Sure.
- [47:24]
Alan Hahn
That really stood out to me from Mattingly to Clapich. And one, one of them was the Yankees. This is Mattingly talking. The Yankees are built for home runs. But what comes with that, A lot of swing and miss. So Mattingly pointed that part out and then he also talked about the thing everybody wants to do is play good defense, catch the ball, get good pitching, prevent runs. So it depends on how you're built. Everyone wants the same things. It's just the Yankees have always been built on power.
- [47:53]
Don Hahn
Yeah. And this on the heels of Joe Torrey's comments about the team, which don't surprise me because remember, Joe wasn't all in on the analytics.
- [48:00]
Alan Hahn
I'd be careful about what you saw on Joe Torre on social media because I think, I think there was a meme put out there.
- [48:06]
Don Hahn
Oh, really? That is 100% not really.
- [48:08]
Alan Hahn
Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that, that got around. Somebody made that up and never. There's no credit at the bottom. And then the more you look into it, Joe tore would never. I'm glad Joe Tory works for the league. There's no way he would say, say.
- [48:20]
Don Hahn
Yeah, it seemed odd, but you know.
- [48:21]
Alan Hahn
Yeah, listen, but everybody got excited because they wanted it.
- [48:24]
Don Hahn
They wanted on the road. I see that. But yeah, that's a bad job out of me. I'm glad you were able to catch that. We were stopped, Don. You were stopped.
- [48:31]
Alan Hahn
We, we wanted it to be true.
- [48:33]
Don Hahn
No, I, I, I don't, I didn't carry the way. I just saw a quote and I got, I got, I got sports pickled. You know what you got? You did. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm leaving at 6:30. I, I, I'm, I, you know what? I deserve to be on the last.
- [48:45]
Alan Hahn
I'm out too. Peter. Peter, you take it home.
- [48:47]
Don Hahn
Wait, you're both, you both are so.
- [48:49]
Alan Hahn
Disgusted with, so disgusted.
- [48:51]
Don Hahn
I'm disgusted with myself.
- [48:52]
Alan Hahn
Enn. And that's it. I can't.
- [48:54]
Don Hahn
Alan's disgusted with me. We're both out. 6:30. Done. But the exciting thing, Peter, is, is that you've got ENN coming up next.
- [49:01]
Alan Hahn
Oh, yeah.
- [49:02]
Don Hahn
I'm not. I would have left now, but I'm not missing ENN now. You bet your ace. You know there's no ENN like after you go literally around the world enn. That's right.
- [49:13]
Alan Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Hanan Rosenberg Podcast.
- [49:16]
Don Hahn
I don't want to know how the.
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