Hour 3: Pitch Clock Violation Situation

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: Pitch Clock Violation Situation

Date: July 22, 2026
Host(s): Don La Greca, Peter Rosenberg
Summary by ESPN New York

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around a controversial pitch clock violation called on Yankees batter Jose Caballero during an extra-inning loss to the Pirates. The main focus: whether there was a mid-game rule change regarding the pitch clock and batter's eye contact with the pitcher, confusion across the Yankees dugout, and Major League Baseball’s (MLB) ongoing efforts to enforce, amend, and communicate the new rules. The conversation broadens to include how sports adapt to loopholes, issues with MLB’s communication, and fan frustrations over Yankees’ struggles in close and extra-inning games.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Happened: The Pitch Clock/Eye Contact Violation (00:50–08:33)

• Yankees lose in extra innings; the key controversy is a pitch clock violation called on Caballero for not making eye contact with the pitcher before the 8-second mark.
  • Don (00:49): “The clock starts, you get into the batter's box, you have to make eye contact with the pitcher with 8 seconds remaining on the clock… If you do not make eye contact… it’ll be a clock violation and you will be issued a strike.”
• Debate erupts among the hosts about whether Caballero was actually in violation, as replays showed him making eye contact at exactly 8 seconds.
• Caballero is known for pushing the limits, milking the clock to the last millisecond, and irritating pitchers.

2. Is It a Rule Change or a Miscommunication? (06:16–13:50)

• Yankees manager Aaron Boone and Caballero claim there was no notice of a rule change limiting the batter's ability to delay eye contact, while MLB insists on stricter enforcement.
  • Aaron Boone (07:43): “If there is a rule change and the players and coaches don't know the rule change, that's on Major League Baseball.”
  • Caballero (09:44): “If you’re gonna make a rule, a change on the rule, at least notice us before the game. Not in the game. Like it happened today. Like, it’s frustrating for me.”
• Don and Peter criticize MLB for lack of clear communication, the potential for confusion, and failing to ensure that key impacted players and managers are properly informed.

3. Gamesmanship, Loopholes, and Enforcement in Sports (13:06–15:12)

• The hosts liken Caballero’s tactics to historical sports “loopholes,” such as Sean Avery’s distraction technique in hockey, and flopping in basketball.
  • Don (13:07): “You give these players and coaches credit. They find loopholes, and then it's up to Major League Baseball… to clog up those loopholes so they don't happen again.”
• The difference with the Yankees case is whether the rule had actually changed or if MLB just cracked down on enforcement without warning.

4. Confusion Over Who Knew What and When (13:50–20:16)

• If MLB communicated a rule change, how did the Yankees not know? Is Boone covering for a player, or was there an organizational breakdown?
  • Don (14:55): “How do you not let the team that you change the rule for know before the game?”
  • Peter (16:16): “If this were soccer… it would be like, 'This is the stupidest…' Baseball’s the king of this: arbitrary changes, things that just happen.”
• The conversation devolves into humorous frustration at sports bureaucracy and communication mishaps.

5. Extra Innings Frustration and the Yankees’ Struggles (23:49–29:56)

• A caller brings up the Yankees’ chronic poor performance in extra innings and one-run games, second-worst only to the White Sox over four years.
  • Don (24:28): “If they're digesting every number and making every decision based on what the numbers say, there is no reason a team this good offensively should be this bad in extra inning games and one run games.”
• Don and Peter discuss whether Boone is to blame and if the team's offensive approach is too reliant on home runs, rather than situational baseball.

6. Listener Calls and Classic Sports ‘Screw Jobs’ / Conspiracies (30:24–49:35)

• Listeners call in with questions about Ohtani’s gambling controversy, the Astros cheating, and infamous officiating blunders, referencing conspiracy theories and moments when rules or ethics seemed to break down in sports.
  • Ed (42:33): “The biggest conspiracy and screw job rolled into one has to be the 1972 US men’s basketball team.”
• The hosts share stories and debate whether these are conspiracies or just incompetence.

7. The Final Ruling: Strict Enforcement, Not Rule Change (48:28–50:09)

• The crew chief (Adrian Johnson) clarifies: MLB instructed umpires not to warn Caballero anymore, but to issue a violation immediately if he broke the rule, since he’s been warned all season.
  • Don (49:36): “It’s not really a rule change per se, it’s just now enforce it. We’re tired of warning you. Now we’re enforcing it.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Don, on rule ambiguity (08:33): “What’s the rule? If it’s eight seconds and he looks up at eight seconds… athletes try to get away with whatever they can get away with.”
• Peter, on the absurdity of ‘eye contact’ (05:00): “I think any eye contact as a rule is the weirdest thing I’ve ever heard for a sport.”
• Caballero, on frustration with MLB (09:44): “If you’re gonna make a rule, a change on the rule, at least notice. Notice us before the game. Not in the game. Like it happened today.”
• Don, sarcasm on communication (16:27): “Yo, but this is really dumb… we’re not talking rocket science. We’re talking about simply communicating a rule change.”
• Don, on Yankees struggles (24:28): “There is no reason a team this good offensively should be this bad in extra inning games and one run games.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:50 – First mention of the pitch clock incident and rule explanation
• 02:46 – Breakdown of Caballero’s tactic and initial replay discussion
• 06:29 – Aaron Boone's comments on the violation and suggestions of miscommunication
• 09:44 – Caballero’s postgame comments and frustration
• 13:07 – “Avery Rule” and the evolution of sports loopholes
• 14:55 – Discussion about the responsibility for rule communication
• 24:05 – Detailed stats on Yankees’ extra inning and one-run game woes
• 48:28 – Crew chief statement: it's strict enforcement, not an official rule change

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Tone and Language

The tone throughout is candid, frustrated, humorous, and laced with sarcasm. Don, Peter, and callers volley between exasperation with MLB's bureaucracy and tongue-in-cheek jabs at the strangeness of some baseball rules and processes. There's a sense of disbelief at both the on-field call and how it was communicated (or not) to the team it most impacted.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The heart of this episode: a controversial pitch clock call that revealed new enforcement, poor communication, and confusion, all on baseball’s grand stage.
• MLB’s rule changes and enforcement are a work in progress—and the sport’s bureaucratic/communication challenges remain a source of fan and insider frustration.
• Yankees’ late-game woes continue to draw the ire of fans and questions for manager Aaron Boone, with the podcast’s hosts dissecting both the data and the decision-making.
• The conversation echoes broader themes in sports: gamesmanship, the perpetual hunt for minor advantages, and the need for clear communication around evolving rules.

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Transcript

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Oh I'll say.

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Mets are losing 42 to the Brewers. That game is in the bottom of the eighth inning. So as soon as the game and the post game are over we're going to be on 880 so plan accordingly there. Yankees already lost their game in extras. They always seem to lose an extra innings. They dropped this one five three. They were down three nothing. Rice hit a three run home run to tie it in the seventh, but then it got away from the Yankees as the Pirates picked up two runs in the top of the 10th and he won the game 5 to 3. But the big deal in this one Caballero again getting into it. The home plate umpire over the pitch clock. Now many may not know exactly what the rule is and here it goes that you know. The clock starts, you get into the batter's box, you have to make eye contact with the pitcher with eight seconds remaining on the clock. That way the pitcher knows that the batter is ready and he has eight seconds to fulfill his obligation by throwing the pitch before the clock expires. If you do not make eye contact with the pitcher with 8 seconds, if it's less than 8 seconds it'll be a clock violation and you will be issued a strike. That's the rule. Now maybe people don't know about the eye contact. You're only allowed the one time out. So once you get in there you've got to make eye contact.

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If you don't never knew that eye contact business.

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Never. The umpire is going to issue a strike. Quinn Walcott was the home plate umpire this afternoon and it happened again.

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Again.

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Caballero. And here is Ryan Ruko who is on the call for yes. Oh they're going to call Caballero for a pitch clock violation. You don't get to do the 34 seconds.

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Thing in the box.

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Any.

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Now, what he means by the 3, 4 seconds in the box anymore is that once you get set, make eye contact with the umpire. They're not going to give you any wiggle room. You get to under 8. Now, the problem I have with when you watch the replay, it's right at 8, so it looks to me like it's within the rules. Now, he's playing games. Caballero, he's going to milk it to the very last millisecond to play games with the pitcher, because the pitcher thinks, oh, I'm on the verge of getting a strike here. Now he makes eye contact with me and I've got to hurry up and pitch. But when you see Walcott put his arms up and issue the strike, Peter, it's at eight seconds. So what's the problem? But apparently they're arguing the fact that it's a clock violation and that once you get in the box, you're not allowed those 3, 4 seconds. They want you to look at the picture and make eye contact the second that you get set and you're not allowed to wait the 3, 4 seconds. That's what Caballero does, Peter. He gets to the plate, starts messing around, looking down, not ready. And then eight seconds, he looks up at the very last second and it irritates the pitcher. But so what if it's in the rules, Peter, that's what baseball's about. Trying to get as close to the line as possible, get away with what you can get away with. Not all you're irritating me by waiting till the last second. So I'm going to issue a strike. That doesn't seem right. Now, obviously, Boone comes out, argues, it becomes a whole thing, like it did a couple of games ago. If Caballero is playing games, Peter, if it's within the rules, I don't understand what the problem is. If 8 seconds, if waiting till the last second is wrong, well, then change the rule. But if the rule is you gotta make eye contact by 8 seconds and it's 8 seconds on the clock, then what's the issue? This seems so stupid.

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Like I said, I never heard of this. I'm completely miffed by that.

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All right, so that maybe at the

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start of the at bat we can have a conversation about. Although, can I tell you the truth, Don? I think any eye contact as a rule is the weirdest thing I've ever heard for a sport.

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That's the other thing, too, is if I'm behind the player.

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How do you know?

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And I'M looking at the back of the head of the batter. How do I know he's not making eye contact? Maybe he's looking his belt. Maybe looking at. I. This is. This seems so stupid with the clock now, though.

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What's to stop if this part of the rule isn't in place? What's to stop a batter from being out of the box until there's one second left? Jumping in the box and telling the

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patrol, okay, I've got no problem.

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That's, I guess what they're being a rule, correct.

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Whether it's eye contact, set, whatever you want to come up with with eight seconds. But Anthony, we watched it live.

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Yep.

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There was eight seconds left on the clock. Where's the violation?

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So the big issue, and we've talked about this Caballero and you know, Don, he's had this issue, issue or no issue, he's trying to gain an advantage one way or the other. He's trying to either get a ball against so that could benefit him or just irritate the pitchers. And it's working because he almost fought Santana in the first game that they played two days ago.

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That's right.

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They have gotten explanations from the league. Boone has, and everybody else today. It seems like there was a new thing in place that Ryan mentioned at the end of the call. You can't do the three, four second thing anymore.

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Meaning you can't.

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You can't sit in the box and not look at the picture. Which, by the way, if they weren't told that they have a right to be mad and James Ross and got ejected.

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Well, but you're changing the rules in the middle of. If you got to let people know this now. If Caballero knows that 3, 4 second rule, then he's playing games and he deserves the violation.

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Based on what Boone said after the game, it sounds like they don't know.

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Let's hear from Boone talking about the violation.

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I'm going to plead the fifth here. Just Major League Baseball came out with something new today, so we got to change again. How frustrating is that?

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Very, very embarrassing. Of course it is. If that was not communicated to Boone, forget the players because, you know, players, are they paying attention, not paying attention, whatever. But I'm sure if Boone was told, Boone would have communicated that with his players, make sure that they know it. If it was an email that was sent to a player, maybe he never got it in his inbox or whatever, but that has to be communicated better. If the manager doesn't know, then you can't tell me that MLB did not communicate it properly. Caballero should be allowed to test the rule to its limit. And when I saw it said 8, then there should be no violation. Now, if you're telling me you once you get in the box, well, then that's the rule. So forget the eight seconds. The eight seconds shouldn't matter if you're in the box, then you should get a couple of seconds to get set. Done. You're changing the rule. And I don't mind changing rules, Peter, because sometimes things happen.

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Sometimes rules are yo, yo.

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And it's a brand new rule. And you found some nuance. And you give these players and coaches credit. They find loopholes, and then it's up to Major League Baseball, whatever league you're talking about, to clog up those loopholes so they don't happen again. But if there is a rule change and the players and coaches don't know the rule change, that's on Major League Baseball. Aaron Boo goes on.

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He just can't do that. He can't. It's disrupting the pitcher. It's some kind of circumvention. There is a thing in the laws. But you know, I've been told very specifically over and over when we have had issues, like when I've had my conversations with the league, like, he's got to be alert at eight seconds. So that's making sure Kobbie looks up at nine just to make sure he's in. And that's very specifically what I've been told. And then today was something different and they didn't give us the heads up.

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See, this is the problem, guys. Major League Baseball sometimes can just be so stupid. What's the rule? If it's eight seconds and he looks up at eight seconds, all right, it's going to be human nature for an athlete to try to get away with whatever they can get away with. A wide receiver is going to try to see if he can push off without anybody knowing. And if he gets caught, it's a penalty. But if he doesn't get caught, good on him. Flopping in basketball, right? Everybody knows there's flopping. But if you fool the official, good on you. Everybody's trying to get an edge, Peter. That's the way it works in sports, especially sports.

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How do they change it without saying something?

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Well, that's where we're going to get to the bottom of.

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Well, that's the madness.

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We're going to have to get to the bottom of. How was this communicated? Did the umpire drop the ball Did Major League Baseball drop the ball? But I would think Aaron Boone's pretty buttoned up that if he's told that there was a rule change, not only would he communicate that to his player, he wouldn't go out and defend his player after he violated it. All right, here's Caballero. What did the ump tell you?

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He actually said that they were making no rules today. And it's on me because I was deceiving or something like that, to the picture, which doesn't make sense because for me, or, I don't know, maybe my English is so bad that I don't understand. But deceiving kind of means that you're trying to trick someone. And I'm not trying to trick someone because I do the same thing over and over. You can check my last 50 abats and see if I do it the same or not. Or check maybe 100 ABATs or 150. And then if you're gonna make a rule, a change on the rule, at least notice. Notice us before the game. No, in the game. Like it happened today. Like, it's frustrating for me.

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Listen, Caballero, own it. There's nothing wrong. It's eight seconds. I looked up at eight seconds. If you want to wait till the last millisecond and you think that's an advantage to you, do it. You know, many times there'll be guys that step outside the box, either behind the box or to the side of the box, try to get away with it. Not supposed to have your foot on the line, but you have the foot on the line. The umpire doesn't see it. So what? That's baseball. Baseball's always looking for one little tiny edge. Anything that can get you an advantage to the opponent. And if you can get away with it, you get away with it. That's the way that it is. It works in sports and especially in baseball. So he shouldn't have to apologize for that. But how do you have a rule change? The player doesn't know about it. The manager doesn't know about it. Nobody in the Yankee dugout knew about that rule. Nobody. Because they're all arguing and fighting. Then Caballero is told by the home plate umpire. Oh, yeah. That we just changed it today. Peter, have you ever.

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No, no.

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He changed the rule. Somebody from Major League Baseball goes into both clubhouses and explains the rule. And if you don't remember it, if you don't like it, if you forgot about it, that's on you. But do you really think the entire Yankee organization didn't know the rule. How could that possibly happen? Caballero on rule change against him.

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It's not the first time the league has changed the rule on me. And now they. They just call something out of, I guess no rules that I didn't get because I didn't get a notice before. Because before, whenever they were making new rules, they at least were able to tell me and I could make a little adjustment to my routine. And now it's just plain that I can't do it, which takes me out of my routine.

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All right, final in Milwaukee brewers hold on. Beat the Mets by the final score of 4 to 3. Mets scored a run in the ninth, but that's it. They strand the tying run at first and lose two to the Brewers. But back to this. I don't mind changing the rule. It's a new rule. There's nuance to it.

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You make adjustments, it'll be amended over time because we're still figuring the thing out.

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And even as long as sports has been around, there's always going to be something that pops up. Where they go, dude, I've never seen that before. We're going to have to come up with a rule. I'll give you an example. Anthony will appreciate this. Rangers Devils.

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Avery rules.

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Sean Avery stands in front of Martin Brodeur and waves his stick back and forth in Brodeurs face. And they give up a goal. Well, the league said, you know, I don't. I think we got. I think we got to put a rule that you're not allowed to do that. Nobody thought about it. Good on Avery. He thought about it. He did it, got away with it. They made a rule and it became the Avery rule. This is going to happen. Things are going to pop up where nobody thought about it before and said, oh, we got to have a rule. And Caballero took advantage of the rule. Waited till the last millisecond. Major League Baseball decided that doesn't seem fair. Let's change the rule. But how do they not know about it after it gets changed?

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How?

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He's also the only guy this consistently happens to. Let's say the memo doesn't reach every team. Don't you think that the one team that would get the memo would be the New York Yankees?

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It's so right. Anthony. The game being played today at 1 o' clock at Yankee Stadium has a guy in pinstripes that is taking advantage of this rule. Can we please, for the love of God, make sure that he and Aaron Boone know

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now?

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I Guess there is the possibility that the Yankees were like, ah, rule change. Who cares? Let's just keep doing it and see what they say. I don't think Boone would do that. It's not that important a thing to begin with anyway. How do they not know the rule changed? What else you got going on? You changed the rule, and you didn't let the reason that you changed the rule. No, he's the guy you changed the rule for. You didn't let him know. You didn't let Boo know.

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How.

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How. How could that happen?

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This is why I get a little annoyed with Michael when he starts throwing fits about, like, rules that he finds to be silly. And why don't they get it right in soccer? Baseball's the king of this arbitrary changes, things that just happen. How do things slip through the cracks like this?

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But it's one thing about the rule change. But how do you not let the team that you change the rule for know before the game?

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Hey, just a heads up, because of what you guys do, we're now doing it differently.

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Yeah, I'm telling you, we're going to call a strike if you pull this again. If you're. If you go into the box, we're not going to give you 3, 4 seconds to get set and let it milk it till there's eight left on the clock. We will call a strike on you. And, oh, by the way, they call the strike on Caballero. He misses the next pitch, strikes out. So it cost him an hour not knowing the rule. But is it not knowing the rule or not communicating the rule? I'll be very interested to see what baseball has to say. And I will tell you this, that if Major League Baseball says, we told Boone, we told Caballero, then you could. You could issue a fine. Because not only are they spitting in the face of the rule, they're claiming you didn't tell, but they're also claiming you didn't tell them.

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It's so crazy.

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But, you know, you're so right, because if this were soccer, oh, I mean, it would be like, this is the stupidest.

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Well, this is. This is why the sport could never be taken seriously.

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Yo, but this is really dumb.

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It's not good.

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Now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, because it's literally the first year in Major League Baseball this is happening. And good on Caballero for trying to get an advantage. And good on Major League Baseball for changing it and making sure he can do it. But we're not talking about rocket science. We're talking about simply communicating a rule change. And if you ever see Peter, if you ever go cover a baseball game, you're given packets of information. All you have to do is go to a certain page to find out what a guy's batting average is. After the seventh inning, when the sun is shining at a certain angle, they have every stat imaginable for all of these guys. It's analytics, Peter. So you know these managers have every stat available to them, but a rule changed. Nobody know. Nobody knows.

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I didn't know.

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I get that from my kid. I didn't know who.

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Was I supposed to say something?

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But did you, whatever your name is, we sent you to Yankee Stadium before the game. Did you tell Boone and Caballero that the rules been changed? Did you put a memo up on the board? Did you explain it to the managers? Did you call Brian Cashman? Did you talk to him about it? Did you let the Pirates know? Oh, I was supposed to do that. Well, the umpires knew. How did the umpires find out? Umpires didn't change the rule. The umpires were told about the rule. So how did the umpires know and the Yankees didn't? Come on, man. Can we get it together, guys? Seriously.

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Seriously, for the love of God, I

[C]

want to do backflip. Was that a stereo?

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Stereo.

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That was the exact same time.

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What? You and Jacob did that the exact same time.

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That's right.

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I want to do a back flip.

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Cam. Scatter.

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Boo.

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Sounding like an umpire in Major League Baseball. That's the explanation.

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Well, the umpires were the only people that knew, so.

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Yeah, but yeah, when you say to them, why didn't you mention anything to Aaron Boone and the Yankees?

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I want to do back flip. You just.

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You can't just go changing things.

[C]

How do you know? It's. It's so.

[D]

Come on, man.

[C]

Like, have you explained it to people? Like, I'm just trying, but you're not interested in baseball. You're like, well, this is a reason not to be interested in baseball. It's so blanking stupid. I got to defend the Yankees here. If you don't. If you weren't communicated the rule change, and if you watch Walcott, oh, he's excited to do it. Oh, this. He was so happy that the rule changed. Right. So he can't wait to do it. He can't wait to give him a strike. Look at me. I know the rule. And apparently he's the only one who knew. Oh, my God.

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He's all right.

[C]

Well, I just get. Because you Picked it a scab for me. Which part is that? If this happened in hockey, Michael would be like, well, this is why your sports stupid. Like, if it happened in soccer, well, this is why soccer.

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Right.

[C]

You know, because they don't know what the hell's going on. How can you have a sport where you. You change the rule and you don't tell anybody? How stupid is that?

[D]

This is baseball, Susan.

[C]

Wow. Wow. When I'm watching this unfold today, minding my own business, having lunch with my friends, like your dream. The people I work with, the people that don't lie to me, and I see this, I never thought the explanation would be, oh, the rule changed and they never communicated it to the Yankees.

[D]

We were supposed to do that.

[E]

Huh?

[C]

Huh? I wanna do a backflip. And the funny thing about baseball, it's so well covered. We'll get to the bottom of this. Did the Yankees lie? Someone's gonna find out who missed. They could have just tweeted it out. What would have killed him to do that? I think most of the players would have found out that way. Peter. Major League baseball tweeted out rule change today.

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Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. I can't imagine Aaron Boone is going to just pretend he didn't know there

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was a rule change.

[C]

It's not that big of an advantage unless he's just covering for Caballero who didn't remember or didn't know. And Boone didn't do a good job communicating it to Jose. And Jose did admit that there is a language barrier. So maybe it was explained to him and he didn't understand it. I don't know. But got to get to the bottom of this somehow. But the Yankees do lose a game, lose another game in extra innings. 1-800-919-3776 and Mark in Jacksonville's ticked off about it. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Mark?

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Hey, good afternoon, guys. How you doing?

[C]

Good. Hi.

[E]

Hey. I was, you know, I'm a very analytical guy. And the Yankees inability to win extra innings, I went back to 20, 23 and they have the second worst record only to the White Sox in extra innings.

[C]

And, and up until this year, the White Sox were one of the worst teams in baseball.

[E]

Yeah. Now they're the second worst in extra innings going back four years now. And they're the going back to the same time frame, they're the fourth worst team in 1:1 games. So to me, that's on boon because, you know, the late part of the game is when the decision making isn't crucial. I just want to wonder what you guys thought about those stats.

[C]

Well, it's interesting. I didn't Put who to blame? Is it Boone's fault they're not winning close games? All right, let's start with the extra inning stuff. I guess because of the Manford man, are they not doing a good enough job, especially when they're home, moving the runner over, getting the sacrifice fly, winning the game that way, playing the small ball when they need to, or is it just a case of a. They don't change their approach, so now you're just trying to hit home runs when just a base hit will do it. But that would only, that would only count towards situations where you're home and the game is tied or only down a run. Like today they had to try to hit a home run because they were down two. So a two run home run would have helped. It's odd for the Yankees, who were not only one of the best teams in baseball every year, but also score the most runs. Now, they haven't scored the most runs this year, but I still think they're in the top five or six in runs scored. So they shouldn't be this bad in extra inning games. Now to the next allegation by Mark. Do you believe, Peter, that it's Boone's fault that they don't win these close games? Because managers have to make decisions in those moments and he's obviously making the wrong decisions because not winning close games. I don't know if I'm ready to

[D]

say that I mean, either, because I think it's unclear to us what they actually expect their manager to do in those spots. And I know everyone's sick of hearing that.

[C]

Well, what decision do you make in a one run game that Boone screws up? You have your bullpen, you know, the analytics of when you take a starter out, who you go to in the bull, you'd have to say, all right, he made the wrong decision. Going to the wrong guy, that would be a misplay. But as far as, you know, moving a runner over with a sacrifice, getting the batter to hit to the other side so the runner can move over. We've had, we talked about this chapter in verse. They don't play that way. It's all about hitting home runs, hitting them in the gap. But you do, you did hear Jazz say the other day, Jazz had a home run. He said, I was just trying to get a sacrifice fly and I got enough of it that I hit it out of the ballpark. So there are occasions where guys are trying to move runners over, are trying to sacrifice. But it is, it's, hey, if you're Going to sit there and analyze the numbers. When you see a team that's as good as the Yankees are supposed to be competing for a World Series, be this bad in extra innings and this bad in one run games, something's going on and it should be analyzed. Now is it Boone's fault? Is it the way they built the team? But if they, if they digest every single number and make every decision based on what the numbers say, then what are those numbers say? There is no reason a team this good offensively should be this bad in extra inning games and one run games. I mean sometimes it's just kind of a fluky situation, you know, of just hey, some, some years you win the one run game, some years you don't. But I can't jump mark those. That's very interesting to see them be that bad in those two categories and it's costing them games. They did a great job Rice with the three run home run. But let's also look at the fact that that's all they got. They got a three run home run from Ben Rice in the seventh inning and that's it. The entire game against a very average Pittsburgh Pirate team in your building. And you scored three runs in the seventh and that was it in 10 innings. The. That's all you did. So did they lose the game, Peter, because it was a close game. Did they lose the game because it was an extra innings or did they lose the game because they scored three runs in 10 innings?

[D]

Well, but hasn't that also been. When you really look at the Yankee shortcomings in general over the last seven years, is it usually that.

[C]

Well, yeah.

[D]

How many, how many games in the big moments, Playoffs is what I'm generally talking about. How many of them did you pin on? Oh, I can't believe Boone brought in so and so to pinch it. I can't believe he made X pitching. I'm not saying it never happens, but what percentage of the time it's, it's low.

[C]

If they didn't hit, they didn't hit.

[D]

That's, that's almost always what it is.

[C]

And your big guns didn't hit and very often. So what are you supposed to do? Beat him with chains? I don't.

[D]

Well, in this case, when isn't even there.

[C]

Well, that's a problem. I think it's very clear, Peter, watching this team play, they're pretty good without Judge and they can make the playoffs without Judge. They're not winning the thing without Judge. So as much as you get on Judge for not Having won a championship. And as much as you get on Judge for not hitting in the postseason, this is what the Yankees look like without Judge. A wild card team. That's what they are with Jazz, Bellinger, Stanton, who doesn't play. Stan hasn't played since April 24th. You know, we were doing April 24th, watching Knicks, Hawks.

[D]

I just gotten off WrestleMania. You guys had just done the live show. That was like 26 degrees. That's how long ago that was.

[C]

That's what's the last time stamp. And oh, by the way, he's not close to playing.

[D]

Yeah, but it's playoff G. It's not. It's not regular season G. It's not

[C]

post all star G. No, I get. We will fall him out in time of the playoffs.

[D]

That's all you need. He's done frozen. Caveman Stanton.

[C]

But, you know, at what point do you get with Stanton where you keep opening the fridge and not still gotta wait. You keep sticking the knife in to see how deep it goes. Like, how much more. How much more you have to throw. Or the fork, like frozen. Still need two more inches before he start out. Let's go. Let's go to Naz, who's in Queens. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Nas?

[E]

Hey, guys, I have two things you. You guys may have left off the list and one question. So what about Ohtani getting caught gambling, throwing his interpreter under the bus, and MLB covering for him?

[D]

You know what?

[C]

That's not nothing.

[D]

And it's gone away really nicely, hasn't it?

[C]

It certainly has.

[E]

And a bigger one. What about the Houston Astros cheating scandal?

[C]

Well, here's the thing. Thought about that too. Now, the reason. What's interesting is Naz is. And I'll let you do the Ask the question is that it was just they got caught, but baseball decided not to do anything. It wasn't even a conspiracy theory. It was like, no, we're good. We'll fire all the managers, players, because they told us the truth. We didn't do anything. It was just, I thought, a mismanaged situation. The conspiracy theory, though, Nazi, is the wire. Did Altuve wear a wire in. What was it? I guess 19, when he hit the home run off of Chapman. And all of a sudden, when everybody's pulling off their jerseys, he's holding onto the jersey, doesn't want anybody to take the jersey. That's the one, man. That's a good one.

[D]

Well, that's the. That's where you get really into conspiracy, because some of it's not conspiracy. We just know it to be true. Right, but the jersey, the conspiracy.

[C]

That, that, that's a good one. As. What's your question?

[E]

Okay, so I guess you could consider this potential conspiracy to. What if MLB did send the Yankees a memo about the rule change and Aaron Boone didn't get it or did it or failed to let his team know. Is that a fireball offense?

[C]

I don't know if it's a fireable offense, Nas, but it's definitely get called on the carpet. Like if I'm Brian Cashman. I was saying, Aaron, I, I saw the email. You didn't see this. You didn't know about it. How do you not know about it? But then I could turn around to Brian Cashman and say, well, Brian, why didn't you make sure Boone knew? And, and it's not a fireable offense, but I think you get a talking to.

[D]

And also if you didn't hear anything, like I want proof, you kind of need to tell. Show us how you didn't hear anything. I want a screenshot of the inbox. There's no email. Did you check your spam? No. Someone check your spam? Well, someone. It wasn't in promotions.

[C]

Let's think about this for a second. Let's use baseball logic, all right? They go over everything before the game. They play the game like several times before it's played actually to figure out what are you going to do here? What are you going to do there? You have meetings. Hitters have meetings with the hitting coach. Pitchers have meetings with the pitching coach. Boone has meetings with everybody. At no point in the four hours before you're there at a game, somebody doesn't tell Caboro. By the way, be careful with the 8 second eye contact thing because they changed the rule today. That one, that one slipped through. Right. The starting pitcher has four pitches and he likes to throw a curveball when he's up in the count. Once you had all those meetings but nobody mentioned, oh, by the way, they changed the rule. We might want to pay attention to this, guys. We might want to go over. Somebody should get, get Caballero in here, explain to him he can't do what he was doing before.

[D]

Well, how recently was he doing it?

[C]

The other day. Well, they got rained out yesterday.

[A]

He does it every day.

[C]

He does it every year back. What's today on Monday?

[D]

It was Monday.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

So you're saying you called on the carpet for something by Monday?

[C]

Yes.

[D]

The rule has changed between then and now.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

It led to a near benches clearing Brawl on Monday.

[D]

Some will have some explaining to do.

[C]

I gotta be honest with you. I would not be surprised if they got it like Tuesday night.

[A]

Did they check spam?

[D]

That's my joke. But you didn't hear me do that.

[A]

No, I didn't hear you do that.

[D]

But Anthony, you know I don't listen

[A]

to you on the show.

[D]

I just got mail. I literally just said, do you check promotions, updates?

[C]

There's something gotta be there.

[D]

Someone did it.

[C]

Are you two. They're too young for aol, right? No, I had an AOL that's right around.

[D]

Yeah, but you get. You guys.

[C]

No, but if I go really big on mail, you don't know what I'm doing.

[A]

Yes, yes, absolutely.

[C]

I know what dial up and everything.

[A]

No, like we, me and Jacob heard that man say, really?

[C]

I was good.

[D]

Dial up.

[A]

Lose the phone. Parents mad at you that you're taking the phone away because you gotta plug it in.

[D]

Hold on, hold on. Let me do some math. What year were you born?

[A]

94.

[C]

92.

[D]

94.

[A]

No, that's Kern's 92, Jacob.

[D]

So you were born 94, Anthony.

[A]

Yeah, last I checked.

[D]

So in 04 you were 10.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And it was still a dial up.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Thing.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

Apparently.

[C]

Now the other one, because you remember the other one, it was there was you've got Mail.

[E]

Right?

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

And the other one that I like was Files. Done.

[D]

Files Done's bait.

[C]

I'm surprised they know that.

[A]

I used to have the paperclip. Our little friend. Yeah.

[C]

Here's what you don't.

[A]

He was a little shady though, that guy.

[C]

Here's what you don't know. And this was it when this was a day at sports for when I came in and we all gathered around it as if it was

[D]

fire.

[C]

I get the invention of fire. Hot fire. Prodigy.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Prodigy was the art. My first delve into the Internet. The rapper. No. Or no. Not the band. Boom, boom, boom boom boom boom, boom, boom.

[D]

Not. Not the rapper or the band.

[A]

That I don't know.

[C]

So there's a Prodigy and a Prodigy.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Prodigy is one of the great rappers of all time. And the Prodigy is your Prodigy.

[C]

That's the day I hip hop people. Not you. But I've known hip hop people that make fun of me liking the Prodigy because apparently they're like a joke. Is that true?

[D]

A joke?

[C]

Ryan Hurley told me that one time. Like, you don't like them. They're a joke.

[D]

I don't think he knows that they're a joke.

[C]

He's speaking out of school. Well, how do you speak out of school? It's his opinion.

[D]

Yeah, but he doesn't have the. The information.

[C]

Did you like him?

[D]

No, but, like, not. But it has nothing to do with. But they're not hip hop at all. I mean, they were like real techno, like electric, electronic and a real.

[C]

So you would industrial, like what? The Prodigy.

[D]

Smack my.

[C]

Well, I don't think you should say that. Well, you know, that didn't go over. It was dumb.

[B]

Don't worry about it.

[C]

I wanted to say it, too, because that I. That's one of the.

[A]

What is happening today.

[C]

That's gall. Unmitigated.

[A]

It's comfortable.

[C]

Super unmitigated gall. Or wait, hold on real quick.

[D]

We're not on the radio, right?

[C]

These guys are programmed to just treat everything that we do as dumpable.

[A]

I can't put that out on a podcast. The name of the song, anything that I would dump, I wouldn't put out on a podcast for you. I'm trying to protect you.

[D]

Listen, I appreciate it. I'm not ridiculing you. I'm just telling you, like, so be

[A]

better at your job. I understand, but.

[D]

No, not that either. But the powers that would be, who'd make a decision would be like, oh, yeah, I know that song. Of course, not saying anything. It's just the name of the song.

[C]

But the powers that be don't know that song.

[D]

Yeah, they do.

[C]

You think John Winthrop knows that song? Absolutely. That's a good song. That whole album is good. You don't like that at all?

[D]

I never and I never. Is this weird? I didn't take the song as being a literal meaning of what the word

[C]

is, but it's still being said. There wasn't talk about female dogs.

[D]

How do you know?

[C]

Because I've heard the song and I don't. There's nobody barking. You think he's smacking his dog around?

[D]

Well, I don't think he's smacking his girl.

[C]

I don't think he is either. But he still says that. Well, you don't in the one comment of the name of the song, be able to explain to the world, well, he doesn't really mean it that way.

[D]

Listen, I've had a rough couple days with my line of comfort.

[C]

I'm listening to the song now. I've never heard of it before. No, you never heard this, but come on.

[D]

I'm surprised you like this, though, Don.

[C]

You make no sense. Find out that there's. The whole album is great. It's been a while. Since I've listened to it. This is mint sportsphone, Earl. Like 93, 94. I'm just blowing this song up. I'd have the CD driving to Sports Mall, making $8 an hour, paying more in tolls than I did making money. I was making bologna sandwiches listening to this.

[D]

The song caused considerable controversy because of its title and explicit video, of course, which depicted scenes of drunken and drug fueled sexual assault and violence. Oh, well, you know what? It's not Agent Gray, Frank.

[C]

I'm not laughing at the meaning of the song. It's just that Peter thought that. No, no, no, mean. That's exactly what they meant.

[D]

Just in case you were. It was banned by the BBC and only an instrumental version was played on BBC one. The lyrics were defended by the band who said the lyrics were being misinterpreted. The song actually meant doing anything intensely.

[C]

Well, you know what I mean?

[D]

Like, you know what it says? You know, like when you say, I'm going to make this homework my. Don, you hear me?

[C]

I hear what you're saying.

[D]

That's what they meant.

[C]

I hear what you're saying. They were from England.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

That's why being banned on the BBC was not a good thing. Fat of the Land was the album. Oh, Yeah, I have it. 97. I thought it was a little earlier than that. Really.

[D]

That wasn't their first album, but.

[C]

Oh, Fire play Firestarter when we get fired. Fire starter, Fire Starter when we come back. Firestarter. Breathe is good, by the way.

[D]

Don, I just want to point out again, Don makes no sense. The stuff that he likes, the stuff that. There's another version where he goes, this is garbage. This is complete garbage.

[C]

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[C]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[D]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[C]

Catch the show on demand whenever you to want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. 1-800-919-3776. Ed is in New Jersey. You're on ESPN New York. Hi Ed.

[E]

Hey guys, how you doing?

[C]

Good, how are you?

[E]

The the biggest conspiracy and screw job rolled into one has to be the 1972 US men's basketball team.

[C]

Well, that was just as poorly officiated as anything has ever been officiated. Like is it a conspiracy theory or is just they were really bad at what they did?

[E]

It's also there was an off field official whose last name is Jones who ran from the court down to the court from the stands and told them to replay the three seconds over and over again until the Soviets won. To this day that team will never accept those silver medals.

[C]

No, and rightly so. It's a great I think HBO did a doc on it. Thank you Ed for the Florida phone call where they're like sitting in a vault someplace because they just Refused to take it.

[D]

Oh, I got another one.

[C]

It was so bad. But again, is that a conspiracy theory or just. You know what? We're just really bad at what we do and we don't care what people think because somewhat hidden. This wasn't even hidden.

[D]

Okay. And here's another boxing one you forgot. And he mentioned it because he wouldn't. They wouldn't accept the medal. Don.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Roy Jones, 1988 Olympics in Seoul. Absolutely dominated the South Korean fighter and was given the silver medal. Like, I mean, pillar to post destroyed him. And the game was in. And it was in. And Don, again, easy to figure out the conspiracy. It was in Seoul, Korea. They gave it to the Korean fighter. He was completely robbed. Again, you can decide whether or not you think that was.

[C]

You know, I was.

[D]

Did you see the video? There was a video moving around recently. About 10 months ago. The fighter who won the gold Medal showed up 10 months ago and gave Roy Jones the gold medal.

[C]

Really?

[D]

That's right.

[C]

Well, that was nice of him.

[D]

From that is. Let me do some math. That's 38 years ago.

[C]

Yes. 1988.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Gave him the gold medal. I want him to have it.

[C]

You probably heard this story, you've heard all my stories. I don't know whether it's because you just have an amazing memory or I just don't have very many stories.

[D]

I think both are on the table.

[C]

But I did a show with Wally Matthews in the infancy of this radio.

[D]

Wally and the key.

[C]

Wally was on remote in Vegas for boxing. And I was back at the station

[D]

doing the show like you dream.

[C]

And he had Roy Jones Jr. On next to him. Sitting next to him on in Vegas.

[D]

Real quick. That's RJJ to you and me.

[C]

Yeah. And I asked Wally, who. Salt of the earth, hair trigger though. And also a guy that can't possibly play any game.

[D]

He doesn't suffer fools.

[C]

Correct? No. And he brutally, honestly, and I didn't know Wally well and this is a bad thing to do as a co host, I asked him, while he's sitting next to Roy Jones Jr. Does he believe Roy is the best pound for pound fighter in the sport? This would have been 02 feels pretty safe though.

[D]

Oh two, it feels. It feels like the conversation I'm going to say in that moment in time, you're talking about Roy Jones, Felix, Trinidad James, Tony.

[C]

So it's not a bad.

[D]

But I still would have thought no.

[C]

And I think it was because while he's like, how dare you put me on a spot like that afterwards or

[D]

the moment he said it afterwards.

[C]

Well, he said it on the air and then gave me an earful after. Like, why would you put me in that spot? So clearly the answer was, no, he's not.

[D]

Because otherwise, if it's easy, then you just set him up with a nice, easy layup to compliment.

[C]

That's what I thought I was doing.

[D]

Right? That's what you.

[C]

You thought you were doing. I'm not in the. I'm not any kind of fight expert, but 20 something years ago, I knew how good Roy Jones Jr. Was.

[D]

Right.

[C]

And I figured it was safe with him sitting there. That calling him the. Because that's what everybody was calling him. Like, that's where I get pound for pound when I talk about Dave Rothenberg. I Picture Roy Jones Jr. When I say it.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

That was always the way they described him.

[D]

That's right.

[C]

Right. Am I wrong?

[D]

No. So now I don't know the timeline of. Had he just like, lost to Antonio Tar versus no, that was years later.

[C]

No, no. This was right in when the wheel. So I thought it was a layup, but I guess Wally, who was a boxing expert, either thought it was inappropriate to ask, even though it was obvious or it wasn't obvious. Let's go to British. Who's in Jersey?

[D]

You're on.

[C]

Don Hanna, Rosenberg.

[G]

Hey, what's up, guys?

[C]

Hey, how are you?

[E]

Good, good.

[G]

So you guys have brought up UNLV basketball a couple of times. And every single time it just breaks my heart because after that, 91 championship or no black, the loss of the championship, nothing has been the same for that program. And it's been really, actually sad to grow up around. So I'm Vegas born and raised, and I covered the team during the Dave Rice era. That was supposed to be this huge comeback and this huge thing. Him and Stacey Augment both come back and it was the biggest dumpster fire I have ever been a part of. I've ever witnessed so much backstabbing. And again, I mean, the program just has not been the same since then. We had Lon Kruger for a little bit. He made a couple of runs. His son actually was the coach in recent years before Josh Passner just took over that couldn't even get people riled up. The program has completely died. It's so unfortunate, the fact that you guys have brought it up a couple of times. It just shows how powerful that loss was. It has had long lasting effects.

[C]

Yeah, it's been. I mean, it's. That's not. It's not yesterday either. Britain, thank you for the call. It must have been something to follow that team. But yeah, it is over. Want to throw this in before we got enn Brendon Cuddy, we got a quote from the crew chief today who was Adrian Johnson. He wasn't the home plate umpire, but he was the crew chief. Said Major League baseball told umpires not to issue a warning to Jose Caballero and instead issue a violation to him immediately if they felt he broke the pitch clock rules today. Pool reporter, which was him, asked was Caballero warned prior to the automatic strike. Here's the rub, Peter Johnson said he's been warned all season. Ah, here we go. We were instructed not to warn him. We were instructed to violate him. That's what it is. It's a violation. So they're playing the game, you're playing games. So we're not gonna. So it's not really a rule change per se, it's just now enforce it. We're tired of warning you. Now we're enforcing it. But my problem is when they enforced it, it was at eight seconds. So it wasn't a violation to me. Right.

[D]

They jumped the gun. That's what you're saying. Right.

[A]

And the Yankees are claiming that the rule changed. They've done their song and dance.

[C]

This is the misunderstanding. The rule didn't change. They're just gonna now enforce it. So that's the change. But the fact is, is and maybe the wiggle room of you know what, we're not gonna give you these 3, 4, 7.

[A]

I think that's the problem.

[C]

But it's not a rule change. It's like now we're gonna enforce it. You've been busting our you know what, now we're gonna bust yours. But that's just not the way you do business. But anyway, thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

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