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Small, the short and the tall.
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Peacemakers, risk takers for the optimists, pessimists for long distance love for introverts and extroverts, the thinkers and the doers for old friends and new Coca Cola for everyone. Pick up some Coca Cola at a store near you. This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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That sounds like heaven to me. Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New.
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York app, and your smart speakers. 502 in the big city with Don Legrec. I'm Allen on Peter Rosenberg. In the midst of a move. And so anybody that's ever moved, by the way, yes, it sucks. Like, it's exciting because you're moving to a new place. You're finally getting that, you know, the transition to a new place and you're excited about the new place. But the process of moving, Don, like my wife and I, we moved. God, what's it been, 14 years? Right? That was the worst experience because you're packing up one house and moving to another house. The packing up, the cleaning up, that whole process is messing, maddening. It's unreal. You just want it to be over. And so it's to a point now where I will never, ever look for another house. No. Yeah, they take, I always tell her, you're taking me out on a box. So I, you know, Peter's very busy today, as we understand he should be on a moving day and all that stuff. And we're giving him that time to get through all the packing and unpacking and everything else. But man, I'm telling you, unless I had to move, I have zero interest in doing it again.
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Yeah, it's a lot. And listen, it's not even like the movers, like carrying the stuff to the truck. That's all of it. That's one thing. But, but packing everything and unpacking and.
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Throwing out stuff, going through things, especially if you've been in one place for a long time. Oh, you just accumulate. And when you have kids, it's even worse. You get emotional because, like, there's certain things that go on. I'm telling you, it was, it was such a, as exciting as it was, it was such a process that I'm like, I'm never doing this again, like, ever.
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Nap. That's how I said the same thing. We moved in our house. Yeah. When I move out of this, it's going to be in a box.
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Well, we have lots of calls to get you. We have the Giants Monday Night Football tonight against the Patriots in a game that just have. Again, there's something to this game tonight, Don, that if I were a Giants fan, I'd be leaning forward in my chair. I'd be watching things. You have Jackson Dart back under center, and you have a head coach that's trying to make a case to keep everything status quo. I'll bring in a better defensive coordinator. But the offense has, for the most part this season, looked good when Dart has played, even when Winston has played well, for sure.
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And when did Winston play the last two weeks?
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Oh, after the day of firing.
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After the day of firing. So Kafka is head coach, the offense has gone well, and now you figure Dart's a better quarterback. Now, I can't imagine Dart playing better than Winston played against the Lions, but still, I still believe if Dart played against the packers, they went. So you've got your starting quarterback. You've got a coach that seems like he's got things organized. You've got rid of the defensive coordinator. So Bowen, you can't blame him anymore. And you're going up against the 10, 2 football team that has surprised everyone. But are they really 10 and 2? Are they ready for this? Or are they maybe looking past the Giants and thinking about that matchup with the Bills coming up and. And all that, and. And I think that this could be football, though.
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I don't think so.
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I don't. You wouldn't think so. Listen, I'm trying to build. I just feel good about the Giants. I. I feel like if they play the way they play the last couple of weeks, yeah, they can beat this team. Hey, they beat the Chargers, they beat the Eagles. They had the Denver Broncos on the ropes. They've had the Cowboys on the ropes, right? The Lions on the ropes, the packers on the ropes. So why should I feel any different about the Patriots right now? The question is, will they be able to close it out? That's been. That's been something they have not done. And if they don't do it again tonight, well, then that's three times Kafka couldn't do it. So it tells you that maybe he's not the guy that can figure it out. But if they were to win the game tonight and then you got, you know, the Commanders and the Raiders and the Vikings and the Cowboys left, you squeeze three wins out of there, then I think Kafka's got a legitimate chance. I still, again, I have not been told by anybody, but just reading the tea leaves, I believe he's been Given the road to get this job, and if he. If the team performs well and they win some games, I think he's got an excellent shot to get it.
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It is the path, you know, he's motivated. It is the path of least resistance for a Giants organization that a year ago, John Maris said, I don't want to keep having to turn it over. I want to give it time. Now, he gets rid of the head coach, but that's one piece that you move on from. But if you still keep it somewhat the same, especially the offense with Jackson Dart, that is certainly something that I think would be the best thing. But one thing, though, as me, as an outsider watching without the same type of emotion, is I'm watching and I'm saying, okay. Jackson Dart four times has had to be checked for a conclusion. He's missed the last two weeks with a concussion, has not been cleared. It took him two weeks to get right. He's playing in a game now. It's Monday night. You know, he's gonna be jacked up on Mountain Dew. It's good. You know, all the stuff that, you know, he is all about because he's. He's that kind of player where you could tell that when there's extra juice in a game, man, he is all for it.
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Yeah.
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So are you also watching to see. Because if you're Mike Kafka, don't you think. Look, the other thing I got to prove is not only can I use this quarterback in a way that we can win games, but I also have to be able to protect him from himself, that I have to be smart with the usage. And some people were blaming Brian Dabel with the way he used him, as if I'm so desperate to win games, I've got to have him play recklessly, which I don't think is true. I think the kid makes decisions because he just believes in himself physically, and he was able to do it in college. But even though he played in the sec, it's the NFL. It's different. You get hit, it feels different. And Dart was asked if he. What did he learn from dealing with this concussion.
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The ball got knocked out of my hands.
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And when you're kind of lose control.
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Of the ball, you're not really thinking.
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About bracing for the ground. You know, when I watch the whole game and it's kind of been a point of emphasis, you know, going to each game of, you know, just being smarter with the hits that I take.
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And when I look back at the.
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Game, like, there's not a Hit where I'm like, dang, I shouldn't have taking that hit, to be honest.
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Like, you know, I felt like I.
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Was making smart decisions.
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I didn't take really any unnecessary hits.
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And that was just a situation where.
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You know, you kind of lose control.
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Of your body when you fumble it and you're not really bracing for the ground. But obviously, you know, moving forward now, I got to be more available for.
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The, for the team.
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So, you know, that's obviously on the forefront of my mind going forward.
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How do you feel about that?
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I. I understand what he's saying, and I'm not going to say that it's all the way he was treated and he's too loosey goosey with his decision making. What I concern myself a little bit is with an answer he gave to a question while we were on break for Thanksgiving. I don't know if you saw this. I don't even know if we have the sound.
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What is it?
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When he was asked by a reporter, how many times have you been checked for a concussion? And he thought about. And he's like, I don't know. Now, I'm not suggesting he didn't know because he doesn't remember. I'm suggesting he knows the number and doesn't want to tell you because he's probably, probably gone in several times. So what that tells me is, is he somebody that could be concussion prone? We've seen it, right? Like, guys just for whatever reason we.
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Saw wasn't Steve Young, didn't have early in his career, wasn't that stiff.
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Yeah, he had a. He obviously was able to overcome that. You know, there's been guys that had concussion. Daniel Brier, I saw him the other night with the fling. He's the Flyers GM now. Got a lot of concussions. Early over overcame it. But you got guys like Brett Lindross who couldn't overcome.
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Right.
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And when I say concussion prone is the guys. Just look at, look at Philip Heale with the Rangers. Like every time he got hit, he's out of the game and you find he missed a couple of games. Like, is he. You just hope he's not someone that when he gets hit, a concussion's on the table.
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It could happen.
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If it's something where he just needs to correct the way he's doing things, well, then he'll correct it. He'll learn and he'll be fine. But if he's just going to be somebody that just when he gets hit, it's an issue, well, then, then we've got A, we've got a much bigger problem.
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I think this is the one you're talking about when he was asked again, because if you're a reporter, you're asking him, are you going to change the way you play?
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Right.
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So I think this is the cut you're talking about.
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The narrative's not necessarily accurate of four concussion checks. You know, I was taken into the.
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Tent for three of those times for.
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You know, things had nothing to do with my head.
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You know, that's just kind of, you.
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Know, they have their own operation of, you know, kind of how they handle things.
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So, you know, I'm still getting used to this game. I'm getting used to the speed of, you know, this level. In college, you can watch my tape. I, you know, I very rarely slid, you know, but this is a different beast.
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So, you know, for me, I got to be, you know, obviously a little bit more responsible, you know, when I'm in the open field.
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But I felt like, you know, quite.
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Honestly, I was getting better at it.
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Each and every week, you know.
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No, that wasn't it.
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That's not it. Okay.
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No, because he. Let's flat out asked, and he couldn't give the number.
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Yeah, well, that. I think that's the correcting it when he said, like, you know, yeah, four times I was checked.
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Because you go in the tent doesn't mean it's for a concussion.
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Yeah, they were checking something else. Yeah, but like, a lot of the comparisons that are made in style and everything else is Josh Allen. But Josh Allen's bigger than Jackson Dart. So like to say, hey, he should watch Josh Allen. Josh Allen still is running into people, and he feels like. Like, if I. If I get to the second level and I'm dealing with a safety, I can handle the safety. It's the linebackers you got to worry about.
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Right.
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Dart's not that big. Who is the player in the league that has a similar style that Dart could learn from, that does avoid getting hits? Like C.J. stroud. He was just out with concussion. Sit. Like. Like it's. It does happen. I know a lot of these guys that are shorter than 65 and. And not weighing 240 pounds, but I think we are.
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We're drumming up the style of play as the reason. I hope it's the reason. And not just somebody that's prone to concussions. You know, we always look at, you know, the RG3 diving head first for a first down, and that's not necessarily happening here. You got to run the football in the NFL as a quarterback, just the way it is. And every time you run for the football and you don't slide doesn't necessarily mean you should get a concussion.
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Right.
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You know, saying like, so every time you get tackled in the open field and he's wobbly getting up, it can't just be, well, he's got a slide. Well, you can't always slide.
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Right? I mean, he's got to be able to take a hit.
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He's got to be able to take a hit. Exactly. And it's not about just. Is he somebody that might be a little prone to him. I hope I'm wrong.
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Isn't that what they said about To a. What they say to. I had to learn how to fall.
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Right.
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Which is like, you've been playing football your whole life. You don't have a fall yet.
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But are those. Are those things that are deflecting away from. The real issue is that he's somebody that unfortunately, when he takes a hit to the head, he's probably gonna get concussed.
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Yeah.
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Some guys can dive head first and never have an issue. That's why concussions were so difficult. I'm not defending the NFL. They completely screwed up the whole concussion thing back in the day. But one of the things that made concussions so difficult is not. They. They're. They're all different. Everybody's different.
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Yes.
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Some guys bounce back. Some guys got to stay out three weeks. Some guys don't miss a play. Some guys don't get a concussion. There are times they get smacked in the head with a hammer. Don't have a concussion, and you sneeze on them. Wrong. They get a concussion. It is such an inexact science.
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Here's all you need to know. Eli Manning, we've seen him take hit after hit after hit. Have we not? Throughout his career, his whole career, there were times where. Especially later in his career, where he took a beating. Did he ever miss a game?
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Never missed a game.
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Did he ever concussion that cost him a game? No.
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Now, the protocols were different back then, but not one time I saw him bloodied in a preseason game against the Jets. He was destroyed pillar to post in that San Francisco championship game. Never, ever an issue. But for RG3, it was an issue. Right. And that was around the same time. And RG3 had other issues besides. It wasn't concussions. It was other injuries.
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All.
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All I'm saying is that sometimes it feels like we always deflect away the real issue by saying, well, he's got to learn to slide. He's got to learn to be able to protect himself. Yes, yes, and yes. But also, is there an underlying issue to where this could be a problem? And if that's the case, then. Then there's no then. You're gonna be in trouble. Then you're not gonna be able to build around that. And I. You hope that that's not the case.
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But while you look at TUA in Miami, that's your cautionary tale. Yes. A quarterback that has plenty of talent. It's all there. But the fear of him getting hit one more time was. Was in Miami to a point where they really couldn't rely on him. And then now I think it's almost. I mean, he's been bad this year, but they've also. You got to feel like maybe all this stuff is, no pun intended, in the back of his mind.
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And that. That Bear game, which was Dable's last game, the narrative was Dable did not protect his quarterback. And then we got confirmation after that. There were only four design runs in that game. So it wasn't the issue.
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No.
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So that's all I'm saying is, is that Devil's goal. Excuse me. We got to time these. What time is it? 5:15.
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Yeah, we should remember and have a moment to be able to set up.
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So let's pay closer, because remember, we still don't even really know what play it was against the Bears. Right.
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It was the fumble. No, he'd said it.
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Yeah, but. But at the time when he landed.
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You saw his head hit the turf.
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But I remember at the time wasn't trying to brace Fusion.
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Oh, I know it was, because it.
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Wasn'T one that one big player ever said. Oh, my God, what are you doing? Yeah, you know he's going to fumble the ball. You're going to get hit. You're a quarterback. You're going to get hit.
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Yeah.
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So let's just keep an eye on it, that's all.
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All right. Game time is brought to you by Telemardu Irish Whiskey. Because, see, this is where we should have timed it with the horn when it's game time. Yeah.
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It's jolly time. Peter didn't like that. I think it's. It might age well.
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It's. It's growing on me, I got to say that.
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Okay.
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Especially when it's Red Dawn. They haven't. They haven't done the lighting yet for the game, but Red dawn special, there's.
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Red dawn, and then there's Red dawn.
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And we have Donnie's Devils and they host the Blue jackets tonight at 7. That's why he's at the Rock. And we have of course all the pre game music and all the game night staff stuff going on in the background. Always makes it fun. The Nets take on the Hornets in Brooklyn at 7:30. And as we've been talking about, Giants, Patriots, Monday night football tonight, 8:15 is the kickoff with Jackson Dart back in the lineup with the G Men, Tullamore Du, the original triple distilled, triple blended, triple cask matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Due honey during today's action. Glasses up to enjoying Tullamore Du responsibly.
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Now you probably know this, but I didn't realize it till they said it this morning, that the Knicks have made it to the knockout round of the Cup.
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Yep. Quarterfinal. Second year in a row that they've done it. They hosted last year. Remember they lost to Trey Young in the. Remember Trey Young threw the dice at center court.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That was that game.
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But see, but what I heard this morning was, is contrary to what you just said.
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What?
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That it's the third year they made it to the knockout round and they're the only team to make it to the knockout round in all three years.
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Now I will, I will plead ignorance and say that I completely probably blanked and have. I don't remember. I honestly don't remember.
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Like that's what I, that's what I.
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Was thinking because the first year was such a. Like, wait, what is this? Like, you know, you didn't know. So I, I last year stood out to me because of the Trey Young thing. If they got, if they got there two years ago. Okay, well, I'm not saying you're wrong.
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Well, now I'm wondering because was it.
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Was it the Bucks? Did they lose to the Bucks? And so I think it was in Milwaukee and they lost the Bucks. I think you're right. Yeah.
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Now, now if I got this right is one of the most, most fun I've ever had on radio. Nick's Heat.
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Yes.
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I'm doing the play by play and you're my color guy.
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Yeah.
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And that was a Cup game.
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Yes, it was.
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And they won.
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They came back from down 21 in the third quarter.
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Right? 20. Yeah. And. And it was a last second shot. Missed.
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Yep.
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And I believe that got them into the knockout round, if I remember correct. Because that was a big deal.
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Yes, it was. Yes.
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Big D. As big a deal as.
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I guess the well, as the cup can be. But they want.
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I only did seven Nick games, and that's the one that, like, really stands out.
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But that was an epic game. That, again, for. That was fun. For calling a game that's as fun as you could have. Right. Because it felt like it was bleak. And then everything. The worm turned. It's a rivalry game, it's a Cup game, all that stuff. It was a lot of fun. The Knicks, you know, winning that game Friday night against Giannis in the Bucks, you know, that. That showed you something. They won the pool. The group, I should say. And so that's why. But they don't host. They're playing Toronto in Toronto next week. I think it's a Tuesday. They play up there.
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I think that's a Cup.
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Yeah. And that. That's the quarterfinal. Now, they played Toronto last night, and now Toronto has had a good start to the season. But, like, when you watch them, you're like, all right, like, the Knicks should beat this team. And last night's game was them getting off to a hot start. And then the typical NBA, which. This happens every night in the NBA, team takes a big lead, the team that's down by a lot makes a bunch of threes, and now all of a sudden, it's a game. And you're like, how is this a game? It just happens. Unless you're playing the Thunder, then you're losing by 30. But everybody else, it's just the way the NBA goes. And then the. The adjustment at halftime's made, and third quarter happens, and the Knicks open it up, and it's a different hero each night. But the Knicks win again. They've won four in a row. And they're. They're. They're in second place in the East. The Pistons have had such a great start, but the Knicks have really played well of late. And something I've noticed as tomorrow night they play in Boston, and it's their 20th game. So that's your first quarter of the season.
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Now, that's the quarter pole.
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Yeah. And what's not being talked about enough is remember how, like, in the beginning of the season, I was like, oh, Mike Brown and his offense. And he wants to do this. And Mike Brown and his offense. And Mike Brown and his offense. You're not hearing that anymore.
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Nope.
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Mike Brown has said that he had to learn the team just as much as they had to learn him. And as he started figuring things out with the team, he started seeing that while he wanted to play Towns and Robinson together and have the Big front line. Towns is way more effective as a 5 and by the way, happier that Josh Hart off the bench sounded like a good idea until you realize that Josh Hart isn't as effective when you play him less. He's a guy that's more effective when you play him more. And since he's been moved back into the starting lineup, they haven't lost. And he's played out of his mind. Like, he's been great. And so a lot of opposing teams, as we talked to them before games, coaches, they're all free to tell us, hey, by the way, they're not doing that stuff anymore. They're playing last year's offense. They're playing the pick and roll stuff. They got Brunson on the ball. They're doing stuff with Towns. A lot of the same things we saw last year. They've kind of just said, you know, don't break if it ain't broke. Don't, don't, don't break it. You know what I'm saying? Who said that line, if it ain't.
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Broke, don't fix it.
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No, but, but there was a. There was a coach or a player who said, if it ain't broke, don't break it. Who was it that said that? Oh, I don't remember famously said that. And they were supposed to say, if it ain't broke, whatever, right?
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Don't.
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Don't fix it. Yeah, don't fix it. So, but Mike, Mike Brown made it clear that I don't think a lot of coaches would have done this. And he said he didn't use these exact words, but in his way, he was saying, you know what the problem was with us? The problem was me, that I was trying to change something that didn't need to be changed and that what he really needed to focus on was rotations to use the bench more effectively, because that was a bit of an issue last year that everybody talked about. But offensively, they were one of the top teams in the league offensively last year. So why change it? Why do dramatic things that these players have to adjust to and, you know, two and three start. They were kind of clunky coming out of the gate, but now all of a sudden they're on a run. Here they're 101 at home, by the way. They have the. They and The Thunder, the two best home teams in the NBA. Thunder at 10 and, oh, Knicks are 10 and 1. So I don't know. I don't know, Don, if you've ever seen when a new coach, it's rare to see a new coach with a good team, a team that already won. But how many times do you see that coach come in, try to change things because he's like, this is the way I want to play. And then early on goes, no, no, no, I'm not messing with this. And has, like, the ability, you know, the, the humility to back off, because that's kind of what I'm seeing here.
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Well, because like you said, how often do you see a coach come in and take over a really good team? You know, sometimes like, you know, Seifert had to do it with Walsh when Walsh retired. Usually that those are the circumstances, but it's so rare to see a change like that for a team that is that good.
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But didn't Seaford come in and he was already running the offense. Right. So he already knew the West Coast. He knew exactly what to do to.
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Have a guy come in off the.
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Street and, and when Jimmy Johnson was fired and they brought in.
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Oh, yeah, from college, Oklahoma.
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Yeah.
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Barry Switzer.
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Switzer, when they brought in, like, did. Switzer didn't touch anything.
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The famous thing about it, he didn't touch a thing.
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Nothing. That's the joke is that he really didn't coach the team. The coaches, the team was running itself.
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But he, we, we talked about how there's going to be a bit of an adjustment period of just evaluating everything. They were still finding a way to win games, but maybe not the clip the fans wanted to see right away. But, you know, now you hit the quarter poll, he's getting to know things. They're. They're, they're almost unbeatable at home. This is what you wanted.
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Yes.
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And it's, it's working so far. And 20 games is not nothing. That's always where we did it in the NHL, too. Just, you know, last week when the Devils went through, it is you get the quarter pole and that's, that's. And now it's interesting because Corey Snyder actually said it for hockey. I'm sure it's for basketball. He said the grind. That's when the grind starts. Now you get after you. The, the 20 through 60 is the grind of the season. Like the first 20, you're excited. Everybody's, you know, back to play. Now once you get to game 21 to, like, game 60, that's when it's a grind. And then, Then you get the, the playoff push after that.
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We did.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.
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C
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. So Don, we have a tweet from Chris. Okay. And he says we need to get Don a better road camera. It seems like he's coming to us from a steam room with how foggy his picture looks.
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C
You know what you know because you know what happens.
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The suit looks great by the way.
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Well thank you but I wish I could see it clearer. Marco grabs the computer and I get let me see if I can clean this.
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Really your fault on it's not his fault. It's not? What is? Because if you look at the single shot. It's clear.
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Oh, but in order to get your.
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Beautiful faces somewhat proportional with one another, I zoomed on in. Thus, you have zoomed in, Don. Well, he needs. No, no, it is your fault. Here's why. No, here's why. When you. When you click on, like, the Connect, you have an option between wide front lens, front camera, and then the usual one. I. I learned this on the iPad. Use an iPad, right?
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Yes.
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Yeah. You got it. You got to change the camera.
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All right, let me see. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna.
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Yeah. X out.
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X out.
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All right, let's see.
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All right, let's fix this. What we have here, I just see iPad.
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Now, when you see where it says camera, there'll be a wide.
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I got ultra wide camera.
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You don't want that one. You want other ones.
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The other front camera, back dual wide camera.
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You want back camera.
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Front camera, Front camera. All right, let's take a look.
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He is so hot inside.
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All right, and let's see. I'm coming up.
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Everybody. Everybody pay attention here.
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I gotta back up a little. How's that? No, I can fix this.
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This I can work.
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You know what?
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Why. Why is Alan showing me this?
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Yay.
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I've never attempted or even known how.
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To do any of. I learned now, you know, when I'm at MSG and I have to do this. You guys remember, like, one of the first times everybody was complaining? The same reason, with my camera saying, like, oh, your iPad must be old and crappy. No, I was picked the wrong camera.
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Look at these.
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2.5. Do me a favor. There's two. Two old guys figuring out technology.
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What do you think? It's great, but we figured it out. It took a little while. I just want to mention, during the break, I went to see if any of the. The Columbus announcers had shown up yet. Steve Mears, great guy.
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Oh, yeah.
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Not yet. But guess who made the trip with Steve? With Mearsy?
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Who?
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J.D.
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What?
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Oh, I got to talk to John Davidson. He's doing well. Looks great. He lost some weight. He's working out. The knees are feeling good. It is an absolute pleasure whenever I get a chance to talk to John Davis.
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Can we get him to jump on a little? Two guys, one mic over there. What do you think?
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He's in prep.
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You know, he loves to talk. It's phenomenal. By the way, do you have any travel this week?
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We. After Friday's game.
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Okay.
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So we go to Boston.
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So I'm your home.
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Yeah. This is the first of three straight at home. Now the second of three of four straight.
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Oh, that's good. All right, that's good. Because as you know and I know, you're home tomorrow because for everybody that loves our show, you can join us live from NHL Shop in Manhattan West Plaza. Manhattan West Plaza is like a block or two away from the Garden. It's on the other side of Moynihan Train hall, which of course is a part of Penn Station. So it's easy to get to. Trust me, it's nothing. We're on from three to seven tomorrow, by the way. Right. And we are doing the full show then there at NHL Shop. We're going to be talking all things NHL and joined on site by the great Mark Messier. So he's going to be there. We're also going to have deputy commissioner of the NHL Bill Daley stop by and join us as well. Plus many other people. It's all powered by Game 7 apparel and headwear as they launch their new assortment in the NHL Shop nyc. So you don't want to miss our live show tomorrow at the NHL Shop in Manhattan. It's right over by Penn Station. There's a Ranger game tomorrow night at the Garden. So if you go into the game, just come early, come hang out with us for a little bit and then you just cross one street, go into Moynihan Train hall, stay out of the rain because it's going to rain tomorrow and you just go right into the Garden, nice and easy. So come and hang out with us tomorrow. Speaking of the rain, so a nor' easter is coming for those who are outside the city area. Like up like Kingston, Northern Jersey might get some snow.
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Yeah, how about that?
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And we're supposed to get some snow this winter, by the way. This is supposed to be a heavy snow winter, Apparently.
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I'm good are, you know, but my wife loves it. I'm good with the snow.
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I. I'm the same. Like, I like it, but don't like it when I have to, like, clear the driveway. But Stephanie is prepared because we always put a rink in the backyard.
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Okay.
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And have a snow blow.
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I do, but I don't use it. I'd rather shovel. Michael gets on me, thinks I'm too old to shovel.
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You have snowblower, you don't use it?
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No.
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What are we doing?
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Because I enjoy the exercise. I enjoy the work.
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Snowblower can be exercise too.
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I know, but we really haven't had. Listen, if we get a foot of snow, I'll get The snowball. We get a few inches from shoveling.
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All right, well, we go. I go dead.
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Because he was changing a tire and his heart exploded.
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I remember that one. That's one of my favorite ones. But we got to build the rink early if it's going to snow, because if you build it too late and then it gets all slushy, it's a mess. So Stephanie's getting on the. On the case of building this rink.
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So we have to be a cold week. So now, because I think you're good on Long Island.
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Yeah. We're gonna get rain.
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I know, but it's gonna be cold, too, this week. So maybe that's the time to get.
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That's what I mean, though. You get. Get rain. You put, you know, you fill the rink and you let it freeze over, and now it's perfect. So when we do start getting snow, you just shovel it off and it's. It's fun to skate out on that. Anyway, it's fun to talk to you at 800 now, 1-93776. Now that we got Donnie's camera figured out.
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Yeah. How about that?
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You. That's a great suit. I love the shirt. Great combo. Fantastic.
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And this is it because I put my dry cleaning in before Thanksgiving, not realizing they're going to be off for two days, so.
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So same suit, three games.
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Yes.
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So you could use it. Good luck.
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But this is it. Like, thank God I can pick it up tomorrow because I was out.
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That's all you got at home? Well, it's not. It's not a bad last resort, I'll tell you that.
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Thank you.
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Let's go back to the calls. Alan Hackensack's been waiting a bit. He wants to talk some Mike Tomlin and the Steelers. Go ahead, Al.
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Hey, what's going on, guys? Love the show. Love the show. Real quick, Don. Do you think Michael K would have threatened your producer's job for allowing that to happen for so long with the camera? So I'm gonna go into it real quick. Okay. So this is the case with my feelings with the Mike Tomlin situation. First and foremost, I want to go back to saying that he is not the gm. So we can't blame him for the GM not replacing Roethlisberger in a timely fashion when his last four or five years he was toasted the contract dealing with Watt. Once again, he is not taking gm. We cannot blame him. And these are addressing one of your earlier callers comments. And in regards to, you know, him moving to New York, I think Mike Tomlin should retire as a Pittsburgh steeler coach. I'm a 49er fan, not a Pittsburgh Steeler, but I just feel as though he should retire as a Steelers coach. And if he's to move, he should move up into the gm. GM position or front office position. Even if he left Pittsburgh, it should be for a gm.
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So you just don't want to see, you don't want to see him coach. I don't see him as a gm. I think he's a coach. I think at heart he's a coach. You know what I mean?
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Before you hang up on me, one more. Before you hang up on me, everyone's quick to talk about, you know, how he inherited this team, but no one brings up the, the, the Gruden inheriting.
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No, I always say that. No, Al.
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No.
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If you said. You say you love the show. I have said that a million times about Gruden. That was, that was Tony Dungey's team. I've said that many times.
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Last point in regards to, you know, the, the fandom in the New York Market area, no one, everyone spoke the same way about, about what's his name? Nick Bowles. You know how, how you know, he was trash and they needed to get rid of him and look at him now on campus.
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Todd Bowles.
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Yeah, I'm sorry. Todd Bowles. And they did the same thing with. Oh my God. Who left to Jacksonville to become their front office. They wanted to get rid of him before he, he won a Super Bowl. What was his name for the Giants that left to Jacksonville? Tom Coughlin. The same thing. New York needs to just be patient. They need to sit down and have a Coke and a smile and relax.
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Well, it's funny, it's funny with the Bowles stuff because we talked about that too.
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Bowles. But the problem with Todd Bowles, as much as I personally liked him and right away he had some success, but he, you know, the last couple seasons were like four and no, they, they just were, they were bad. Like you had to do something, they had to do.
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They had to do something.
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I'm glad that he landed on his feet. So being a dc, he went back, he took a step back to take a step forward, right?
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Yeah. But you know, McCagnon was a part of that. It was, it was a real tough circumstance. But you're right. After a four win season, you know, it never got better after that. 10, 6. They lost that week 17 game against Buffalo and it just got worse and worse. But it's interesting listening this Morning. Morning. Because Rick's father in law is a big buccaneer because they live down in Tampa. They're. They're starting to lose patience with Bulls. Believe it or not or they don't. They're not in love. You know what it is is that there's questions on defense, there's questions on offense. Yeah. And he's a defensive guy. And it's kind of the same with Tomlin, too.
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Were there questions earlier in the season when Baker was just.
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But, but listen, it's got. It's not the same, though, Allen. They. Well, they had lost four straight before the win yesterday.
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Yeah. But they also had. How many injuries did they have that affected them, including to Baker?
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All I'm saying is, is that it's very interesting that I heard Rick say that, that they're getting.
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No, Doc is very much in on. On the Bucks. So, you know, like, he's not, like, like he, he's not. This is not a surface argument by him. He's invested and so. But it is. I always say this, though, and you were saying it before, one man's trash, another man's treasure. How you can get frustrated with a team that is like, that stays mediocre and can't break through. And that's why with Aaron Glenn. And we'll get back to the calls. Coming up next, with Aaron Glenn, I feel like this is. I know that sounds crazy. This is the easy part. The easy part is taking a team that is a mess, just an absolute disaster. Like Kafka, the same thing. You could finish the season off and look great because you're taking something that was just a mess and you get it organized and you just get it on track. And now all of a sudden it's like, wow, you know, it's pretty good. Like, you would take nine wins a year average. If I told you an average of nine wins a year for the next three years, wouldn't you feel like, all right, that means at least you're over.500 every year and maybe one year is better than the other, but. Right. You take that and at the end of those three years, you're not taking it anymore.
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Right.
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Now you want better. Well, now show me I can win in the playoffs.
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Hey, I would like Tomlin to be the next head coach of the New York Giants if it doesn't work out with Kafka. But I'm not ruling out the possibility five years from now. I'm like, this guy's got to go, man. It's nice to win nine. Nine ten games a year. Could we win a playoff game. We were just that that's similar to Coughlin. Now Coughlin did bottom out but there were time like Coughlin was fighting even after his first super bowl, you know, he was fighting to get keep his job because they were only 500 or barely making the playoffs and exiting in the first round. Remember when they, you know. 06 Remember he was battling for his.
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Job because they players almost revolted because.
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In, in 05 they went 11 and 5 and they got shut out at home in a playoff game against Carolina and the next year they went 8, 8 and they lost on a last second field goal. Philadelphia in the wild card round and Coughlin was coaching for his job after back to back playoff appearance appearances because they had the audacity to lose in the first round. Give me that again. I want that again. I want to complain. Alan. I think Jet fans too after wild card weekend how we lost the playoff game, I, I want, I want to get back to that.
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Yeah, you want to know how that feels. And again, as a Jets fan, that's all I care about. Can I just, can I, can I sniff up. Yeah, can I sniff a playoff game?
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That's right.
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Just give me a sniff. Your call's coming up. 800 now. 193776. Don Rosenberg ESPN New York the FanDuel.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.
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C
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. All right, let's get right Back to the calls, 800-919-3776. A lot of people want to talk with us about all the different things we were talking about today, so let's continue. We Got Jose in Connecticut next. What's up, Jose?
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Hey, what's up, guys? So the last caller kind of took.
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My point about Simon.
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He hasn't really had a quarterback here. He would have Jackson dart. So if I can make a. I would say, obviously, we.
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He's coming in.
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We want to make sure that he would have an offensive guy with him as an oc, Maybe Keith Kafka.
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I think that's the only thing.
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And also I wanted to say the ones that I really don't is Mike is John Gruden. Because I keep hearing people call and talk about Gruden.
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Crazy.
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And that man hasn't had a winning season since like 2008 and hasn't won a playoff game since, like 2003.
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I can't see the sexy fans love the Gruden thing because of the character, but I don't think it makes sense.
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Yeah, I, I think people are rooting for it to work because he would have, like Alan said he'd be a character.
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He'd be quotable.
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It'd be great for us. I mean, I, I wouldn't like it as a Giant fan, but as a talk show host in New York, I'd love it because he would be giving us so much press conferences. But I'm good. I, I don't. I, I'm. I'm willing to sacrifice the radio to get the right guy in here, if you don't mind.
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Yeah, winning's probably better, right? Yeah, I'd rather win because if we're.
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Winning, we'll have plenty to talk about anyway.
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That's true. Jason in Daytona beach has something to talk about with us here. What's up, Jason?
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Hey, boys. How's it going?
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It's going probably better in Daytona than it is here. We're going to get some rain, a little nor'. Easter. What do you got down there, about 75, 78?
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I'm sitting out back with my shirt off.
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There you go.
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Tarps off, baby. I love it.
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What's your take on the. On a franchise building more. They hit on the coach early.
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Quarterback.
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Because I'm the. I'm the average. I'm the Jaguar fan that flew to Cleveland that called last week. And if you remember correctly, your jets won a meaningless game in 17. I think it was the Rams.
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We remember.
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We remember he got the talented quarterback, but somehow Jacksonville has seemed to have fumbled all of it.
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Well, and we're going to let Jason go because the signal's bad. But he's also got his. He's got the tarps off so he's all fired up in the sun. Don, would you agree with me that it does start with the quarterback but without proper coaching the quarterback, it's like raising a child. You know, it'd be a bad kid if you don't have good parenting.
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I could probably do the work for the show tomorrow, but it feels like I've seen teams with great coaches coaching get deep with okay quarterback play. I haven't seen a great quarterback overcome an average or bad coach. I think you need the coach.
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So with that in mind then do you look at Cincinnati situation? You know, a lot of people are about coaching there.
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Right.
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And when Joe Burrow's healthy, they're one of the best teams in the league. In fact, going into the season they were considered a Super bowl favorite. Yes.
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And they've gone to a Super bowl. So. Yeah, it's funny how his job's on the line when it's amazing when he.
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Gets hurt, when the quarterbacks hurt.
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You need both. But I, and listen, we're, we're a long way away from the, from the, the Trent Dilfers of the world winning Super Bowls. So you need both. Yeah, but I just feel like we've seen really good quarterbacks just not be able to get over that. Look what's happening in Buffalo. Right. And now they get there because he single handedly gets them. But they can't get over the top because I don't think they've got the right head coach. You need both for sure. But get me started with the coach and then you kind of, then you can find the quarterback. I know it's harder to find the quarterback because where do you get them? You know, free agents are usually not available. You don't make trades like that. So you got to draft them. And it's hard, but it's the hardest part. I feel like. And again, I don't, I didn't do the work on it, but it's feels like there's more examples of great coaches overcoming bad quarterback play than great quarterbacks overcoming a clueless coach.
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I completely agree. Speaking of coaches and teams overcoming them, Brad and Montclair has a Barry Switzer story for us. Go Brad.
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There you go.
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Hey guys.
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So when you're talking about Switzer and how he kept things the same in Dallas. So I heard Aikman tell a funny story.
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It's actually the game when they were talking about the white Wildcat back in.
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The day and how effective it was.
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With the goal line.
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And so he was saying that when Switzer first showed up, he noticed him messing with the wishbone near the goal.
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Line, like with second teamers and whatnot.
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It didn't take too much of it. And it's definitely funny, you know, Aikman was the number one player in the country from Oklahoma.
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Dropped that quarterback.
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Switzerland recruited him and said he was going to get rid of the Wisbelt.
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Whether he would have done that or not, who knows?
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But he did go to Oklahoma, got.
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Hurt, went to ucla, and it was all history.
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Anyway, he noticed him messing with the wishbone at the goal line. And Switzer, close to the first preseason game said, hey, I might want to experiment with some wishbone at the goal line because it's very effective near the goal line. And Aikman said, if you ever take.
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Me out of the game near the.
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Goal line, you can just leave me on the sideline for the rest of the season.
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And that was the end of the wishbone in Dallas. It shows you the quarterback runs the show. Thank you, Brad.
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C
It's just one of the examples of. Because I didn't have much respect for Barry Switzer as head coach in the NFL, but he did win a Super bowl because he had a great team and he didn't mess with what was working. And there's an example where the player had a lot of veterans who were like, we know how to do this, but he did win it, so you can't take that away from him. But he is definitely the exception to the. The rule that you need a great coach to win a Super Bowl.
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Let's continue with Bobby and Bill Moore's been waiting a while. Hey, Bobby.
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C
He waited till.
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Bobby waited too long. Probably fell asleep. We have Tessa and Wes Caldwell as well. Tessa on the Giants tonight. Are you leaning forward tonight watching this game? A little more intrigued because Dart's out there. It's a Monday night Patriots. How are you watching tonight, Tess?
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B
You already know. Thanks so much for taking my call, guys. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm. I'm real hyped. I don't know. I'm just like with Dan, with Don, like, I think we're gonna win tonight. I don't. I just feel real good. And yes, I'm on the edge of my feet today and I'm definitely watching. I'm not running. I do have my damn it. Doll with me just in case, but I'm not running.
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I'm just gonna watch doll. By the way, I need to see this. Damn it, though.
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C
I have one.
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B
Send it. Okay, I'mma send it. Right? I'm Send the damage off. Yo, I'm gonna send it.
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A
Watch.
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B
But I do have two comments, though. I just want to make the comment first about Kafka. Like, the narrative around him. You know, I keep hearing, like, easy transitions. He's been here. But I'm gonna be honest with you guys. I don't care about easy transitions. We know this guy. We know what he's capable of, but we know what he's done in the past, which was trash, but now he's doing right. What I care about is finding the right coach, someone who can get the job done, bringing some real win to this building, not losing five in a row in the fourth quarter, which I know the other coach, too. But I'm done making excuses about being, like, a bum losing team. Like, I'm ready to turn it around. Like, every year I come up with a different narrative of why I can make it through this season. Like, I'm tired of that as a fan. Like, I'm tired of being sick to my stomach. Now, as far as Tomlin, though, it's like, value is subjective. You know, what's worthless to the Steelers fans is probably valuable to us Giants fans. So I'm ready for them to bring in a seasoned coach who has a track record of winning, seed of winning record during the regular seasons. That's all we're asking for. We're bummed right now, so we don't even have no choice. Being stupid, talking about some Super Bowl. We're bummed and we're thriving. We're thriving off of being bumped and losers. So we need somebody that season. I. I don't want an OC I want a seasoned coach that knows how to win. And even if right now it's for the regular season. Gave me that. We're just. Just a. A passage, a passionate fan base that I just want to just win. Please. Like, tonight. That would just make my whole.
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A
That would be nice. December, a win tonight. Well, Don, that's what we tend to test. Just laid it out there. It's like, almost like you're going week to week now as a fan.
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C
Fan, right?
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A
It's all you got. There's nothing more to look forward to than week to week and then see where. Where you head when it comes to finding a head coach.
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C
And there's just something about the Patriots. You know, Belichick's gone, Brady's gone. But it's a big game. It's Monday night, nationally televised. You know, people are going to be watching, and you want to put your best foot forward and I want to, I want to see them start winning some football games. And if you beat the Patriots, then I think every there are more wins on the table. And I'm not with her, with Kafka. I'm not going to blame him and just call him trash because he was a part of the trash. Remember, Dable was an offensive guy.
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A
Yep.
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C
So I'm sure he had the last say on a lot of things that they did. But you got to start winning games. He's owing to lose tonight, you're owing three, and then you're heading in the wrong direction. But I expect a good effort tonight.
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Yeah, but we'll see where it goes because again, play well tonight. Lean a little more forward. Got some winnable games coming up and maybe you can make a case for yourself as the next head coach of the Giants. Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter.
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C
Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8.
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A
80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.
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C
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