Hour 3: Ratings, Billy Joel & Simulations - Don, Hahn & Rosenberg

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Don La Greca (0:00)

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Peter Rosenberg (0:34)

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Don La Greca (0:35)

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers 503.

Peter Rosenberg (0:44)

In the big city. Don on in Rosenberg. Take you up until 6:30 here on 8:80 and then we'll go over to 10:50 for the rest of the show till 7 for Knicks Pacers. We've got Mets, Dodgers, we got Yankees, Rockies. So much going on. OKC's up 20 in their best of seven series out west and it looks like the Thunder are going to represent the Western Conference in the NBA. Looks like the Florida Panthers are on their way to another Stanley Cafal. How do we get there, guys? Like how Allen's the only one that can honestly answer this. Peter maybe you could for your time with the Penguins, maybe the Celtics, but when the Knicks, when, when the Rangers, when the Yankees got too many teams in this town. Yes, rattle off four championships in five years. Like I don't know what that's like. As a fan, I've been very fortunate to see my teams win championships. But like when you are in a groove where you just can't lose, you saw with the Islanders when you were growing up to 19 consecutive series wins. I don't think anything like that's ever going to happen again. The closest we came was the 11 straight that the lightning had a couple of years ago. But you know, the Panthers are on their way to, you know, go to a third straight Stanley Cup Final. What is that like to just to be in that groove? Like this is where the Knicks are trying to get to. This is where the Mets and even the Yankees right now trying to get back to or the football teams, God forbid. But like what's that like? Alan I root for a team that just has a groove where you just.

Don La Greca (2:07)

Know they're going to win and they always find a way. So I had it in two different stages of my life. Like you mentioned, I was Nine years old, really. When the Islanders started their run, I was actually eight, technically. But when they, when they. Their first cup in 1980. And I, you know, my parents are huge hockey fans. They're a Ranger. I told this story a million times. 79. When they lost to the Rangers, my parents were happy. And I just saw, like, how dejected the Islanders looked. And I made this connection of, wait, we're from Long Island. Aren't we supposed to root for them? And I felt bad, bad for them by how dejected. I didn't know that they had won the President's Trophy. I didn't know any of that stuff. I just saw them upset. And I saw Long island on the crest, and I was like, isn't that what we're supposed to be doing? So then I just, well, I'm rooting for them. And then they won four in a row, and it was five straight finals appearances, which you have to keep that in mind, too. They lost in the finals in 84. But as a kid, you don't know everything. So you just everything. You're like, wow, we're going to beat them. We're going to beat them. Like, you always just felt confident. I never, ever worried. I didn't have this panic. It was always. You were just waiting for the big moment because you knew it was going to happen. Bossie was going to score that goal in under a minute. You know, you just knew it was happening. And even when Morrow scored to beat The Rangers in 84, I, I, like, by then I was, what, 14 years old? I was laughing. Thirteen years old. I was, I was cackling, laughing because I'm like, my guy that can never lose. Like, I just laughed because it was absurd at that point. The Yankee thing was, I was a grown up. I was in my 20s, so that was one that was, you know, 98 felt like a dream. But there was always that you can't have a regular season like that and not win the World Series. Like, oh, my God, you got to win the World Series. And we all know that wasn't an easy run, especially when they ended the regular season, you know, 99 felt, I think, the most comfortable. And in 2000, it was like, you can't lose to the Mets, you know, like, so there was some. There was still some anxiety to it, but every time they'd find a way. Yeah, you just laughed like, my God, this team is insane. Like, they just so good.

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary
Episode: Hour 3 – Ratings, Billy Joel & Simulations
Release Date: May 23, 2025

Hosted by ESPN New York’s Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg, this episode delves deep into the complexities of sports ratings, the enduring legacy of Billy Joel, and the intriguing possibility that we might be living in a simulation. Packed with expert analysis, spirited debates, and engaging anecdotes, the trio offers listeners a comprehensive look into the intersecting worlds of sports, music, and technology.

1. The NBA Playoffs: Knicks vs. Pacers

Overview: The episode kicks off with a heated discussion about the ongoing NBA playoff series between the New York Knicks and the Indiana Pacers. Don, Alan, and Peter analyze the teams' performances, strategies, and the broader implications for the NBA’s competitive landscape.

Key Points:

Current Series Standings: The Oklahoma City Thunder are leading their best-of-seven series, poised to represent the Western Conference. Meanwhile, the Florida Panthers are on track for their third consecutive Stanley Cup Finals appearance.
Dynastic Teams: The hosts draw parallels between historical dynasties like the Islanders’ 19 consecutive playoff series wins and current teams that seem to be on similar trajectories, such as the Yankees and Panthers.
Knicks' Resilience: Alan shares a personal anecdote about his childhood fandom for the Islanders, highlighting the emotional investment and unwavering support fans have for their teams during dominant runs. He reflects, “I never, ever worried. I didn’t have this panic. It was always... you were just waiting for the big moment because you knew it was going to happen” ([02:07]).

Notable Quotes:

Peter Rosenberg: “You can’t keep a team together. Look at Tampa.” ([04:38])
Alan Hahn: “They have depth, they have length, they have everything that you want to counter what they do.” ([45:06])

2. Sports Ratings and Market Influence

Overview: The conversation shifts to the critical role of television ratings in shaping the NBA’s future. The hosts examine how market size and team popularity influence viewership and, by extension, the league’s strategies.

Key Points:

Rating Discrepancies: Alan points out that while their network ratings are declining, TNT is enjoying higher viewership due to more competitive and engaging games. He notes, “There's no press release saying that Thursday's game two got a record, you know, 8% more viewers than last year” ([13:01]).
Impact of Team Movements: The hosts discuss how replacing popular teams like the Rangers with less-followed teams like the Hurricanes can lead to significant drops in viewership, citing a “33% drop” when the Eastern Conference Finals moved from ESPN to TNT ([13:12]).
Conspiracy Theories: Peter entertains the notion that the NBA might be manipulating outcomes to sustain high ratings, though he acknowledges this is speculative. “If some, if there is a, like a literal jump ball over some things, there's a lot of people that are invested... to continue to get these ratings” ([15:28]).

Notable Quotes:

Don Hahn: “Vegas had the Knicks at four and a half for Game one. Right. Favored, yeah.” ([06:59])
Peter Rosenberg: “It’s business. We like to see the Knicks do well.” ([14:58])

3. Stanley Cup Finals Predictions

Overview: Delving into hockey, the trio speculates on potential Stanley Cup finalists, considering team performances and market appeal.

Key Points:

Likely Finalists: Predictions lean towards Dallas and Florida, balancing team performance with marketability. Peter suggests, “What do you think it looks like it could be? Oh, it looks like it's probably, considering where he is, it's going to be Dallas, Florida” ([15:22]).
Market vs. Performance: The discussion highlights the tension between a team's success on the ice and their market size's influence on making it to the Finals. Peter argues that teams like Dallas can boost ratings more effectively than Edmonton, despite Edmonton’s star player, Connor McDavid ([15:35]).

Notable Quotes:

Alan Hahn: “The Thunder are up 20 and they're up 20 in dominating fashion. Last night.” ([12:08])
Peter Rosenberg: “If he was with the Kings, obviously, the Rangers, the Bruins, Blackhawks... It would definitely help the sport.” ([17:47])

4. Billy Joel: Legacy and Relevance

Overview: Transitioning from sports to music, the hosts engage in a reflective discussion about Billy Joel’s enduring influence and his recent challenges with health issues affecting his tour schedule.

Key Points:

Comparing Legends: Alan and Peter compare Billy Joel to Bruce Springsteen, noting their different approaches to music and public personas. Alan remarks on Joel’s everyman appeal, citing a memorable interview line: “I went from doing gigs where you were just hoping somebody show up to now, you know, you're filling a big stadium, but you come home and still you got to take out the garbage” ([30:08]).
Music Analysis: The conversation delves into Joel’s songwriting, contrasting hits like “Uptown Girl” with Paul Simon’s “Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes,” highlighting the lyrical and stylistic differences that make each artist unique ([27:50]).
Fan Engagement: The hosts share personal experiences with Billy Joel’s concerts, emphasizing his cross-generational appeal and the enduring popularity that keeps fans engaged even decades into his career. Alan comments, “Every single seat available in that building, full 360 view. It was absolutely jammed” ([31:26]).

Notable Quotes:

Alan Hahn: “He just takes you through history, but he doesn't give any opinion on it.” ([29:37])
Peter Rosenberg: “The man is 75 years old. There were still hot chicks everywhere in there. I was like, what is going on?” ([31:19])

5. Simulations and Reality: Are We Living in a Simulation?

Overview: In a thought-provoking segment, the hosts entertain the idea that advanced technology suggests our reality might be a simulation. This discussion blends sports probabilities with philosophical musings.

Key Points:

AI and Simulation: A caller introduces the concept of Google’s AI generating lifelike videos and extrapolates this to suggest a high probability that humanity exists within a simulation. He states, “There’s a 99% chance that we’re in a simulation right now” ([41:20]).
Aligning Events: The hosts debate whether improbable sports outcomes, like the Oklahoma City Thunder’s unexpected dominance, could be evidence of simulation control, questioning the randomness of such events ([42:45]).
Scientific Curiosity: Peter, with his passion for space, ties in the uniformity of planets and the uniqueness of Earth’s life forms as potential indicators of a simulated universe. He muses, “How are all of these planets perfectly round?” ([43:03]).

Notable Quotes:

Don Hahn: “How’s there no they? There’s no they.” ([43:46])
Peter Rosenberg: “There’s got to be a they.” ([43:51])

6. Listener Call-ins: Personal Stories and Debates

Overview: The episode features engaging listener call-ins, where fans share their personal sports experiences and engage in spirited debates with the hosts.

Key Points:

Fraud Segment: A caller named Dave expresses confusion over his loyalty shifts in baseball fandom, questioning if rooting for certain teams makes him a fraud. The hosts reassure him, emphasizing the fluid nature of sports allegiances and the shared passion among fans ([35:00]).
Passionate Support: Joey, another caller, passionately defends the Oklahoma City Thunder’s invincibility in the playoffs, prompting a lively debate about their true capabilities versus perceived dominance. Despite the hosts’ skepticism, Joey’s fervent support underscores the deep emotional connections fans have with their teams ([44:12]).

Notable Quotes:

Don Hahn: “You’re on ESPN New York. What’s up, Joey?” ([43:59])
Peter Rosenberg: “If one of these. They came to earth tonight and told me, Don, the Knicks are going to win...” ([45:55])

Conclusion

In this multifaceted episode, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg expertly navigate the intersections of sports dominance, media influence, musical legacy, and philosophical inquiries into our reality. By blending personal anecdotes with analytical insights, they offer listeners a rich and engaging exploration of topics that resonate beyond the confines of traditional sports commentary.

Notable Moments:

Knicks' Strategic Play: Alan Hahn’s insights into the Knicks’ game strategies and their potential to influence the series outcome.
Billy Joel’s Everyman Persona: The heartfelt reflections on Billy Joel’s relatable nature and his enduring appeal across generations.
Simulation Theory Debate: A captivating segment where the hosts ponder the likelihood of our existence within a simulated reality, sparked by advancements in AI technology.

Listeners who tune in without prior knowledge will find this episode both informative and entertaining, offering a deep dive into the subjects that define modern sports, music, and speculative thought.

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