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When did making plans get this complicated? It's time to streamline with WhatsApp, the.
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Secure messaging app that brings the whole group together. Use polls to settle dinner plans.
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Send event invites and pin messages so.
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It's time for WhatsApp message privately with everyone. Learn more@WhatsApp.com this is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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That sounds like heaven to me.
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Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3.
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On 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New.
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Game time is brought to you by Telemardu Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time, fellas.
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Yeah, well, it's. It's.
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Well, it. It's.
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It's teletime.
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It's Tolly time. Is that the Han version?
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No, that's a new one. That wasn't me.
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That's you.
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That's Don.
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That's me.
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Oh, it is you.
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Yeah, we threw a bunch around during the Knicks run. We were just so intoxicated by the Knicks run.
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I mean, a team that won some things and did some went deep in a playoff run.
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Yeah, well, there's still hope around the baseball. We'll see.
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Hope for a letter word.
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Isn't it amazing? And yet they're the one whose coach is gone. But whatever. That's neither here nor there.
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Boy. Yeah, it is weird right now. I think. I think. No, finish it. Finish it.
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Well, I'm just getting mad.
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You don't have to get all upset.
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This is our. This all goes away now. We're doing it for blanks and giggles. If we don't have sponsors, we're disrespecting these people now. God, then he gets mad at me. I said now I'm playing the role.
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Of K. Well, because now I know.
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What K went through.
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You threw it.
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Well.
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You. He. He physically accosted me. He smacked my elbow.
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Well, because you're acting up.
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I think. I think Daddy Han came out there.
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Oh yeah. You know how Daddy Han up. I'm not comfortable calling that, but I.
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Better get to the Mets. Open a series against the Padres immediately following us on 880 at 6:30. Yankees are going to continue their series against the Twins of Minnesota at 740Tullamore. Due the original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew. Honey, during today's action, glasses up to enjoying Telemore Dew response.
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Nicely done. Remember the guy that. The fast talker from like the 80s micro machine guy. It was unbelievable what he could do. All I've said. All I wanted to say was, is that we're at the end of September. When does the embargo come up on? Talking basketball? Because I've been very good. I've. I've stayed out of a lot of Nick stuff.
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No, no embargo.
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Like when do we know it?
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When would.
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There was. No, come on. There's other things going on. I understand.
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I'm not gonna force stuff into WrestleMania at Saudi Arabia. Listen, what's the matter with you?
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Listen, I. I try to think the way you do.
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If some pops in his head, he says it.
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Yeah, it's true.
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And we're talking about the Knicks. The Knicks are on our station. They're the only good team in New York or what are we doing?
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Okay, yeah, but there's a lot of interesting things going on right now.
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But let's.
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But it's not.
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Let's also be calm here because we don't know things that could pop in his head.
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I don't want like. Like a champagne explosion here either. He can throw Nicks in, sure, but.
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You know, a champagne supernova in the sky.
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I like Oasis and I just like. Apparently I like them more than they like each other.
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Yeah, but that's a shame. They should have been. They should have been an unbelievably successful band.
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I think they were fairly successful.
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Well, one. One album, basically.
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It should have.
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They hated each other to a point where they. Now they're. They're performing again.
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Well, they just hit the road, I mean.
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But you got.
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Can we be fair, though? This is a rock band that, like, you guys are almost too old to fully feel their significance. The way it hits the people my age and a bit younger, where they're like, considered like the band of that generation.
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They sold stadium.
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They went 20 years silent and then sold Stadium.
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I was driving a sportsvault listening to.
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But you were already not a kid then.
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I was what? Yeah, I was like. It was late 90s.
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I'm well aware of Oasis when they hit. And I.
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The people. I. I wasn't even quite aware of how many of like, people I know were like, are you going like. It was a religious. Yeah, for people my age, it was like religious.
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Friend of mine sent a video from concert screaming.
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By the way, I like the records of theirs that I know. No, I would go further than that one. You only like Wonderwall or Champagne Supernova.
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Oh, those are two. And then there's. Yeah, well then what's the other one? There's a third one.
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It's not. All I'm saying is. Yes, is, is when do we, like when can, when can that happen?
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Whenever you want. You're Alan.
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Ha. It's gonna bother me now. Now, now I'm shot here, I'll tell you. No, it wasn't liver that. I just, I, I can't think of the words da, you know what I'm saying?
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Don't look back in anger. Yeah, yeah.
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Don't look back in anger, I heard you say.
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Yeah. Such a great song. It was on Rock Band.
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It was, it was when rock and roll was still alive.
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And by the way, it's, it's, it's, it's two big albums for them.
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That's the only one.
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Yeah, I'm putting them all in one. You know how it is.
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No, but yes, they have more albums than that even. Yes, but in terms of when they got big, what's the story? Morning Glory.
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Right?
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That's the one we're talking about.
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Yeah, that's, that's 94.
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Yeah.
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And definitely maybe was the year before 93.
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You say if it's 93, that, that's not in my wheelhouse.
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Yeah. What's the matter with you?
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I was 22 years old.
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That's right. In the wheel, that's wheelhouse. Yeah, I guess you're right.
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I get, I, I, I, I just hear people talking about who are more in my, like in their early to mid-40s. You know what I mean? Like it hit them as kids. I don't know.
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I'm not offended.
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Post teenager is different than even 22. Let's be honest. The music that hits you at 15 different than even music.
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22.
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My teenage years, music wise, was awful music. It's late. We're talking about 87, 88, 89. So rock. That point was great garbage.
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Yeah.
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It wasn't until the 91 when grunge started to come around. Punk and grunge back and then it was like, okay, now we got something to feel about my generation. But.
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Listen, right now, just email dhrespn at Gmail. Pops up on my phone.
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That was the story.
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Morning Glory is top five all time for me. Better than the Beatles.
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Well, that was. They're down. They thought they were the Beatles.
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Yeah, well, Liverpool they were compared to them.
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And that's what hurts, because they're not.
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Well, who is? That's tough, isn't it?
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It is tough. I didn't close out the Mets recap. Driven by Ramsey Mazda. It's the experience of driving into Mazda and buying a new Mazda from Ramsey Mazda. Choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. You know, I'm watching Baker Mayfield and I'm thinking he is the poster boy of reclamation projects, how if you get him in the right situation, it could work, right? And it's worked for him. You see the athleticism and he didn't have a great night, as Peter said earlier, only through for like 215 yards. But he was getting beat up, made it happen, had the big fourth down conversion on that drive. They win in the waning seconds on a touchdown drive. Two and oh again. And I look and I say, you know, Allen said to me that Todd Bowles, hell of a coach. Yeah, he was.
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And he was here, you know, jets.
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Looking for a coach. Todd Bowles is here. Now listen, Todd Bowles maybe wasn't Todd Bowles at the time, although he did win 10 games in his first year. Then you look at what Daniel Jones is doing in Indianapolis and it's only a couple of games, but let's face it, he's playing well. And the Colts are two. And oh, and don't be surprised if Indianapolis is in the conversation of winning that division considering the fact that Houston, the favorite to win that division are they're 02. So Daniel Jones is going to possibly be doing some really special things this year. And you look at what Sam Darnold did, he almost won the MVP last year, guys. Now we'll see what happens in Seattle. And you start to just think not to continue to dump on the local football teams, but how frustrating is it, especially with the jets, that you have not gone to the playoffs in 15 years. The two biggest problems that you've had as a franchise is not being able to find your quarterback or your coach.
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That's big usually.
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All right. And yet there's Sam Darnold, almost wins the mvp, signs a contract in Seattle. Oh, Geno Smith, by the way, also great years in Seattle, signed a big contract with the Raiders. Two quarterbacks you had. Todd Bowles was a coach for you. Todd Bowles is doing a hell of a job in Tampa. Four straight years as the coach of the Tampa Buccaneers. They start the year two and oh, like so how frustrating is it that, you know, we'll see if they get it right with Aaron Glenn. It's still very early, but like it's not like they didn't have their opportunities, Alan. They had guys in their room that played well other places Coaches that coached. Well, other places you look at Ehrlich, right, who was doing a great job as the defensive coordinator with the jets, but. But Woody had to get his fat hands on the whole thing. He had to move Ehrlich to the head coach, which did damage to the defense. And then he becomes collateral damage, right? Everybody's gone at the end of the year now Ehrlich goes to Atlanta and he's doing a heck of a job there with the Falcons. You know why? Because he's a really good defensive coordinator and the jets messed it up, which.
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Is what he is. Ulbricht, he's. What did I say? I'm sorry, Ulbricher, but I understood who you're talking about. And that is, as usual, I think, what I was saying to a friend of mine yesterday who was, you know, bemoaning the fact that for the jets, for one week, got him, and then reality hit and he's like, why can't it ever get fixed? And I said, it always starts at the top. Like, you can't change. It's got to start at the top. And the guy at the top has got to stay the hell out of the way. He can't help himself. He gets involved. But when it comes to, like, to be fair, Todd Bowles when 5 and 11. 5 and 11, 4 and 12 his last three seasons. I mean, at some point, you know, it's not working. Now, what you find out all these years later is that Todd Bowles is a good coach. Whatever was going on around him was not it. Right. He had the Fitzmagic year to start things, and then it all went downhill from there. So did Todd Bowles become a better coach after leaving the jets or did he have the right idea? It's just the jets were a mess. I think the more history tells you, you probably default to the fact that the jets aren't really a good place. But the Sam. Remember the Sam Darnold thing? The jets could have just said, sam's our guy. He was our. Right. They took him third overall.
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Yes.
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And he fell in their lap because the Giants decided to take Saquon. And then of course, he went through the typical struggles that you go through with the jets, because it's the jets and it's bad coaching and all the things that go with it. But you still saw something in him. But you were bad again and you had the number two pick in the draft and everybody believed, nope, gotta move on from him because here's your chance to get a quarterback in the draft and you don't want to pass it up because this is a great quarterback draft. Who'd they take? Zach Wilson. How'd that work out?
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No.
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How's Sam Darnold doing?
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No.
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These are decisions that you're talked into because we all did it. You know, you got to move on from Sam. You can't risk passing up on your next franchise quarterback in the draft by keeping Sam Darnold because you know, you got to pay him, but you don't have to pay him market value, but you have to pay him. And then what happened? He grew up and became the quarterback that's kind of reaching the potential that everybody thought he had when he was at usc.
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But guess what? So that's the problem mattered though if they did keep him, it wouldn't happen.
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I think you're right, unfortunately.
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But that doesn't make the decision.
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But you never have Aaron Rodgers happen. You never have all the things that happen along the way, you, you never needed to. If anybody with two eyes who worked with Sam Darnold said that kid's got something like if you had Kevin o' Connell and he was in your organization, Kevin o' Connell would say, no, no, keep him. We don't need to draft a number two.
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Don, doesn't this frustrate you though that like. Because I know the number one thing that you hate, because it sort of ruins the conversation is when you talk about a team and like ownership and curse, because it deads the conversation. Now we're talking magic and voodoo. It doesn't make sense, right? But sometimes with these teams, particularly the Jets, I think with the Giants you can. Even if it's a 1012 year rut, you can say it's a rut. But the Jets, Don, it's so many different things. It's hard not to feel cursed.
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It's the same as the Mets. When the jets are good, it's usually like some kind of voodoo, some type of like, whoa, how'd that happen?
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And then it goes away and then it. And then you're reminded the ball first and it's gone. And there's really frustrating.
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And the gaps in between are always worse. Like. Like when. Remember we looked it up the last time. Oh, is the Giants the last time they had double digit wins three years in a row.
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Yeah.
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I'm afraid to look and see if the jets ever even had double digit.
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Wins three years in a row.
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Have a consecutive.
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No. Because even the two years they went to the championship game.
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There it is. No, there it is. No. Yeah. 85 and 86.
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Two in a row.
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11 and 5, 10 and 6.
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That's it.
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And then. And then back in again. This is the name of years 11 and 3, 10 and 4. That's it. Twice. Two years, not three, two. So, you know, this is part of this is in their DNA. But that's the thing when watching Sam Donald's is you just realize that all the things that didn't have to happen in the franchise, if somebody was smart enough at that moment to say, all right, we have the number two pick in the draft. This is a good quarterback draft, but I'm going to draft somebody smaller than Sam and think that that's going to be my franchise quarterback. And then you have to go to Aaron Rodgers, because it's gotten that bad. Like, that's why franchises just continue to go through this turmoil that they go through. And it all starts at the top.
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And you can. You can look at, well, maybe Todd Bowles didn't find it till he got to Tampa, maybe. All right.
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And he worked with Hussarians and whatever it was.
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That certainly helped. And he took Casey Rogers with him to Tampa and things worked out there with the Jets. But you got Chan Gailey, who hasn't worked since leaving the jets, and then the Jeremy Bates, who. He hasn't been in the NFL since 2018. Like, there were a lot of bad decisions. Now, were those bold decisions? Were they McCagnon, like, wrong? Obviously, Mike McCagnon was the wrong general manager.
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Good point.
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Todd Bowles was able to make something work that first year. So I'm kind of lean on the side of. Maybe Todd Bowles wasn't given the best ability to work, you know, and now their offensive coordinator goes to. To. To Jacksonville and just. Josh Gizzard is the new offensive coordinator in Tampa. All right. Again, I haven't really seen what he looked like. I'm not. I'm not suggesting.
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I know you're going.
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That Keegan is gone, but his name is Josh Gizzard.
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Yeah, I gotta hear him talk.
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Yeah.
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You know where he's from?
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Tell me. Alabama.
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Oh, he's from North Carolina.
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Oh, North Cack.
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North Cackillack.
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And the town he's from.
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Give it to me. Give it to me.
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Lizard Lick.
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No. Well, he's one of the Lizards then. So. So just so you know, I'm.
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Here's your. From Lizard.
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Lizard from Lizard.
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Oh, wait, wait. The town is called Lizard Lick, North Carolina.
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Where's from Lizard Lick? Josh Gizzard.
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Yeah.
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Gizzard from Lizard.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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I need to Hear him?
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This is too good. Believe it's Grizzard.
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I know. Which kind of ruins it.
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No, no, it's still good.
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It's Josh Grizzard, but it still works fine. No, it's not as good as Gizzard, but I could still pronounce it. Gizzard.
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Grizzard.
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Can you find just an interview.
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That's right.
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Josh Grizzard, 35, God bless him.
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Yeah.
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Tell me, tell me. He weighs no less than £400.
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I saw right now.
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Is he wearing suspenders?
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He's.
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He looks normal. Ah, but that's all right, Grizzard. Sorry. But, but I got, I got the Lizard lick, right? I mean, you're from. I mean, from French Lick was bad enough, right? Yeah, but, but, but Lizard Lick. Lizard Lick, French Lick, French Lick. They named some porns after that, but like Lizard Lick. That's. That's a time.
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Let's hear his voice.
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This is Josh. It helped in practice, being able to do it and then carry that over.
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To the game and do it live over.
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Thank you.
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All right, we need to work.
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He's got a little draw, but not much.
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Got to move on with Baker. When you think about reclamation and where he, you know, he was number one pick and he actually had decent years in Cleveland, but it fell apart. They moved on from him. Right?
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Yes.
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I mean, give me a. Give me a comp. Like Brett Favre started in Atlanta. Wasn't much like. Didn't play though. Right. So what he did in Green Bay.
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He'S sort of surprised.
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Is it Steve Young? Is it. Is it Vinnie Testaverde?
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Maybe Vinnie, Now, Vinnie, let's not forget Tampa.
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He.
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He was a full on joke. He was a punchline. Your style is complete. Just like Vinny Testaverde. The man was a joke. You know, Vinny Testaverde's colorblind to this day. I don't know if it's true or not. It was a joke people would make, I think, because he threw to the wrong team. I still am 46. I go. Was he actually colorblind? So let's not forget the reputation around Testaverde was horrible. And then he really was solid here.
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Number one pick.
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I know he won the Heisman. He had. It was Tampa. Sorry. So I think he was probably the 1 pick.
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Kerry Collins.
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Yeah.
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But Collins at his height did go to a championship.
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But he was never what Baker Mayfield is right now, though.
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No. And even when he played well with the Giants and they went to the super.
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The super bowl, he was a game manager. Mayfield's More than a game.
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Okay, so test the verdict. The closest we can come up with again, Steve Young.
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No, he was too. He was too highly touted.
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Always Baker's number pick.
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I know, but. But when was. When was Steve Young's bad period? He just went to USFL and then came.
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That was the problem.
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Yeah.
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And then, you know. Yeah, because he was, you know, he was a bad Tampa team. Right. It wasn't. He was bad. He was just on a bad team. The one comp. And I'm. I'm kicking it old school.
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How old?
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Here we go.
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Someone with the nickname White Shoes or no, Black Lace Johnson.
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That era is Jim Plunkett. Now.
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It's almost.
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Yeah, yeah. Okay.
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Well, yeah, Plunkett. Plunkett was both, right?
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Jim. Jim Plunkett. You know, New England, you know, had, you know, some, again, nice years, considering what the era that we're in. He didn't throw for a ton of yards, but he goes. Then he goes to Oakland and he wins. He wins Super Bowls. But just looking at these stats from the 70s, guys, it's like, oh, my dear God.
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But what do we got?
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You know, 24, 57 yards, 19 touchdowns, 22 interceptions. His last is second to last year in New England. His best year in Oakland was they win the super bowl. Because they won the Super bowl in 80. Right. So. Yeah, but he only played 11 games. Still threw like 2,300 yards, 18 touchdowns, 16 interceptions. But the fact is 16.
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The interceptions.
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Yeah, a lot of interceptions. But he won. But he won. But Baker Mayfield is the. To me, the poster child for wrong place at the wrong time, go to Cleveland mess. But I give him credit because I guess what year was. It was during 2020. That wasn't during. It was after Covid, maybe 21, if you got Baker Mayfield stats up there. Allen, where he signed with the Rams on a Tuesday and they played a Thursday night game and he played in the game and played well. I'm like this kid. That's something. You walk in the room and in 48 hours you're playing a game for that.
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Did you forget like at Oklahoma, like, he had, like, he had some. He was like that. You know what I mean? Like, like, even though he's listed 6, 1, I ain't buying it. But. But he had. He had that kind of stuff about him.
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Yeah, he was 22 when he was with the Rams. He played four starts.
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Yeah.
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And he was in Carolina, made, you know, seven games, six starts. And then he's found it in 10, this guy.
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Yeah.
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You're talking about 45, 41 touchdowns last.
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Year they beat the Raiders. It was a December game. Thursday night.
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B
Thursday night, right.
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Yeah. And they, he, he threw nine seconds to go. Touchdown pass to win the game.
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B
I remember I was in Denver with the Rangers. That's watching that like at a sports bar.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It's so cool being able to catch these games with like the two hour time difference. Like the primetime games are like money.
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They were losing that game 163 early in the fourth.
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C
Oh yeah.
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Two, two late scores, but wild.
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So I'm just watching that game and seeing Todd Bowles. It just, it just frustrated you. You don't get here on accident. That to your point, Peter, about why I get frustrated about jinxes? It's like, no, there's way more evidence of incompetence and bad ownership and bad decisions and bad general managers and bad draft choices. That's what puts you in that situation. Yeah.
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C
Somebody.
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B
What happened over. Listen, what happened. But what happened with, with Rogers? What happened to Vinny Testaverde? 99 suggests that you don't get the brakes. I don't say I don't think it's jinx. I just think you don't get the breaks because bad teams don't get breaks. Good teams get breaks. We were joking about the Chiefs. Right? Like the Chiefs get the calls. When you're a really good team, you're gonna get. It's gonna seem like you get all the calls because damn, if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Right. Because they're that good. And it. And the injuries don't devastate them. So there isn't that year of oh my God, we lost this guy, that guy or whatever. It just, I think it's partial to just how you're run that.
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See, but that's part of it. When you say when you get breaks. What you also can't do in a sport that is the most parody of any other professional sport is that you can't have self inflicted wounds. And it's more than, you know, throwing interceptions. Turnovers, which both the jets and Giants experienced in the first two weeks. Right. Why they lost games was because of turnovers.
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B
Right?
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A
Right. One was Gibson, he gets cut. The other one was Wilson just going yolo one more time and it just won too many. But it's also making the mistakes running the franchise. That's the thing, the impatience, the listening to fans, too much overreacting, being too emotional, thinking you know more than you do. Right. Taking advice from the wrong people and the Adam Gase hire. Right.
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B
Like just like that's it.
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A
Hey, Manning told me like.
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B
Well, it's mostly.
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A
What did you vet out of this whole thing? Like listening to the wrong people. Remember when it was Wolf and Casterly and they ended up hiring his guy? Their guy.
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B
Yeah. Right.
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A
Like. Like. So there's a lot of things that you do that are just bad decisions that set you back as a franchise.
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B
Steve mentioned Drew Brees because he had that start with San Diego.
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A
There's one.
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B
But he did win rookie of the Year. Excuse me? He did win the. What was he in his. In 20? In 2004 he went to the Pro Bowl. 3,100 yards, 27 touchdowns, 7 interceptions.
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A
So again, Mayfield with the Browns was not. He wasn't terrible.
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B
Didn't they actually go to the playoffs with him? Which was like something that never happened.
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A
He was. He finished second in offensive rookie of the year voting as a. That year.
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B
Yeah. And did they win a playoff game or just go to the playoffs that year?
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A
No, he went to the playoffs in 2020 with them.
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B
Yeah. Which is something that they actually.
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A
They actually. I believe they won a game.
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B
Yeah. That. That didn't happen since Belichick. Browns don't win playoffs. No avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start. Thumbtack knows homes, so you don't have to don't know the difference between matte paint finish and satin or what that clunking sound from your dryer is. With thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro. You just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates and read reviews all on the Thumbtack app Download today. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Checking off the boxes on your to do list is a great feeling. And when it comes to checking off coverage, a State Farm agent can help you choose an option that's right for you. Whether you prefer talking in person on the phone or using the award winning app, it's nice knowing you have help finding coverage that best fits your needs. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. This episode is brought to you by ebay. We all have that piece, the one that's so you. You've basically become known for it. And if you don't yet fashionistas, you'll find it on ebay. That Miu Miu red leather bomber, the Cousteau Barcelona cowboy top. Or that Patagonia fleece in the 2017 colorway. All these finds are all on ebay along with millions of More main character pieces backed by authenticity guarantee. Ebay is the place for pre loved and vintage fashion. EBay things people love.
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I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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So that. So. So the Morning Glory album that had all the hits on it.
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B
Oh, yes.
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Wonderwall, Don't Look Back in Anger and obviously Champagne Soup and oh yes, Smash Olas. Smash all the smasherooes. When you get three mega hits on one album like, that's. It's hard. It's hard to match that.
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It doesn't happen often.
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And when it does, you're legendary.
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Hitting three. Yeah. Hitting three smashes on an album.
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Triple Crown. Some might say.
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C
It's not common.
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B
It's. It's, it's.
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C
You're in. You're an off the wall Thriller territory. It's not. It's not common. You're not doing it.
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B
No, it's good. And that's why they're still relevant today.
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C
That was it.
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B
You know what, by the way?
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C
You just. You just. What you just did was the equivalent. I'm gone. It was the equivalent of interesting.
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B
No, no. Because I started the conversation. I know.
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C
But then you're ready to wrap it up. The lines are full.
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D
No.
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C
Every line is full.
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B
No, no, no, no. There is that. There is that.
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C
He went, yeah, it's good.
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B
But I started the conversation. Don't like talking about K where like you would open it, you know, scrolling in his phone.
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A
Oh boy.
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B
And interesting one, 800. I started the conversation. But still But I did say, all right, enough. It's good, because we do tend to get carried away, and we got a full bank of calls.
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A
Talk to the people.
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C
That's good.
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B
Dear God. You know what? I'm going to keep it going. How about this? Chris in the car. You're on espn. What's up, Chris?
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A
Hey, guys.
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D
How you doing? So I wanted to come. I wanted to comment about Oasis. My wife and I actually saw them at MetLife Stadium on Labor Day weekend. And let me tell you, it was a religious experience. See, I've never. I have never been at a concert where, from start to finish, from what I could tell, at least everybody in the stadium was on their feet the entire time.
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C
I heard every.
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D
Everybody was singing the song, and it was like. There were two people. I could. Like, Two people could, like. How old are you? I'm the same age as you, Peter. I'm 46.
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C
So I'm telling you something. It's.
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B
It's.
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C
I heard it was like, yeah, religious experience here.
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D
And I. My wife was telling me that she read somewhere, I think billboard.com that apparently so many people went to that concert that it was the equivalent of like a Beyonce or a Taylor Swift concert. Because I heard that's how many people were there.
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A
It was.
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D
It was. I mean, I waited 25. I waited 25 years to see that group. And I'm glad I paid a ridiculous amount of money for the tickets, because.
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C
Now we got to find out. Chris, what'd you.
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A
What'd you say?
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D
Oh, close to 800 for two tickets.
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C
Close to 800 for two.
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A
Where'd you sit?
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D
It was like the upper. Messy, But. But we had, you know, they had the TVs and everything. So it was.
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C
So what was second level?
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D
Third level?
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C
Third level.
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A
It was in God's country.
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C
It was 800 for two.
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B
But you enjoyed yourself. But it was a great concert.
- [28:54]
C
But we still shouldn't accept that. It's insane.
- [28:57]
B
It was the. It was the perfect storm of that. You know, they're reunited. You didn't think they'd ever get back together. That there's something to that, to be able to see.
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C
By the way, though, I got a hunch they'll be back soon enough.
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B
No. Well, because that's the way it is now, is that everybody will.
- [29:10]
C
And they only did three markets. They did New York, Chicago, la. Yeah, yeah. So there. They would have to be nuts to not be able to make this work. I mean, they're brothers, for Christ's sake.
- [29:19]
B
Figure it out. Sometimes that's Tough, man. It's kid. You know, the Kinks don't get along with each other. I mean that. They're a super, super group. The Kinks can't get around.
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A
Kinks don't get along.
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B
No, the Davies do not get along with each other.
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A
Like, how old are they?
- [29:33]
B
I don't know. The older you think it gets better when you get older. No, believe me, these guys hunker down.
- [29:38]
A
I can't imagine they still even recognize each other.
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B
Well, that's old. Well, how.
- [29:44]
A
Never mind.
- [29:44]
B
No, it's. It's not a. You're in your 80s. It's not. It's not off the table.
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A
Still mad.
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B
That's good. At Dave at Centerport. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Dave?
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D
Hey, guys, it's Danny. Dave from center port. Alan and I go back a long time.
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A
What's up?
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D
How are you? How are you, Alan?
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A
I'm hanging in. Good to hear from you.
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D
So listen, man, it's. It's. It's another year of therapy, right, Alan? It's another year of therapy. Like, Peter talks about how important therapy is, and that's what this is. Because I should never be able to call and have a nice conversation and not be crazy and upset and have a good feeling, you know, Monday to talk or Tuesday to talk to you, man. Listen, everything that you guys just said, of course, from top to bottom with the jets is a mess. And, yes, could Bowles have been successful? Some guys have been successful. They could have been. We don't have the patience, and we never have the patience to withstand anybody going through growing pains. It's just fact. And it's the reason why I want to give Glen his chance. Right, Allen? But I'm in the same bowl again where this guy's got to learn on our dime and learn from his mistakes, and we don't have the patience for it. And this is why I was screaming that I would have enjoyed having you, the McCarthy or Pete Carroll or somebody that's not going to make mistakes that this guy's going to make. He's only prone to make the mistakes. It's only natural. I said it to Anthony when he. When he accepted the call. Anthony, what were you like the first week that they gave you the blessing to start screening calls? Must have been a nervous wreck like any one of us would have been on our first experience. So I'm done with the first experiences, man. I want to win, Allen. I'm sick and tired of these phone calls. I'm sick and tired of being Sunday meals, being rude. You know what I realized the other day, guys? That the jets are prime time games. And the Monday nighters and the Thursday night ers. You know what? I was sick of them because I couldn't enjoy football Sundays. But you know what? I'm reversing my feeling because I set myself up on a Sunday morning to make a nice big sauce and prepare meals for the family and be ready to sit down and have the football game at 1 o'. Clock. And you know what? I never want to eat on a 4 o' clock game. And I don't want to watch that 4 o' clock on an 8:30 game because the jets just crushed me. And I'm sick of being crushed, Allen. I really am, man. Like, I want to stay the course here with Glenn because I have a decent feeling from the guy. But he's going to make mistakes and that's what this week was. It was a whole cluster of mistakes that's going to happen. So all those good feelings from last week are now squashed by this week and it's going to be a grown pain. And I get it. But you know, the accuracy as well with Fields drives me nuts. It is what it is. You can't teach accuracy.
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A
Guys, this is. I can feel your frustration because it's exactly what I was trying to say last week when it was moral victory Monday.
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C
Oh, I love moral victory.
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A
Saying like this is what, what happens though. You get seduced by. You forget it was a loss because it didn't look bad. And it's true. But what he's also saying there, you have to live through this right now with Aaron Glenn and also the roster, it's not complete, nowhere near it. And the quarterback, you don't know, he's the guy you're hoping he is. You're hoping you can find some magic in a player that's already been passed by two teams. You're hoping that, but you don't know. And so you have to live through this. But what happens is, and why we're in the vicious cycle is because within two years, if we don't see something tangible, we want to rip it up and start over again. And you gotta at some point look at a guy like Aaron Glenn, see the success and the trajectory that he went on. Coming in as a scout and suddenly finding himself championship level defensive coordinator, right? On a renaissance franchise in Detroit. So okay, it's there, he's seen it. But now he has never been a head coach. He's got to go through that. But one thing that I will say is one of his mentors is Bill Parcells. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he will learn at some point along the way and figure it out. But it's gonna take time and it's also gonna make guys like him frustrated because we, as you said, Don the other day, we've waited long enough. We've waited forever. As a fan base, you're going to have to wait for something to work here. It's not going to be instant. Doesn't happen that way, not with this franchise.
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B
Well, what's frustrating is that just to disagree with the last caller is that I'm not suggesting that Todd Bowles shouldn't have been fired. You win 14 games in three years, you're not going to be able to survive.
- [34:32]
A
They were in last place in the Division 3 street.
- [34:34]
B
What happened is they kept John Idzick for two years. 8 and 8. Then they had the four win season. They bang Idzig, they bring in McKagnon. McCagnon was the wrong guy. So my suggestion is that it's not just about do I have the right coach, do I have the right general manager? Because if I got the wrong general manager like Aaron Glenn might be the guy. But if Muji's not the guy, then Glenn's not going to win and Glenn's going to lose his job. So that's where an owner and an organization has to determine where is the problem. And when I see Todd Bowles coach, it looks like he wasn't the problem. When you look at the history of Mike McCagnon, it ended up being Mike McCagnon was the problem. So you got to get that right. Now, I'm not suggesting they should have kept Idzig more than two years, but when you're going through general managers the way they do, if you get that right, then the coach can't win. If you don't get the coach right, then the quarterback can't win. It's all connected.
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C
Can we repeat?
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A
Yes. And can we go back to what continues to be the issue that I asked woody about this 10 years ago and the answer I was given, I didn't love. It's. Once again, there's certain franchises where you can lead by committee because it's a strong, stable franchise with a great foundation and you don't have to worry about the one voice anymore. Then there's franchises like the jets who desperately need one person, one voice, one standard. Everybody follow me. And the jets haven't had that Rex did it in the beginning it worked. Everybody got caught up in the energy and they followed him. And then it all fell apart when Rex got a little crazy with some of the drafts and it just didn't work out. But in the beginning you felt it, right. Bill Parcells in the late 90s when he came in after the Kotite disaster, what happened turned around fast.
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B
Why?
- [36:20]
A
Because everybody knew who was in charge that guy. And Woody Johnson doesn't believe in that. And so when you mentioned McCagnon and all the different Idzik and all these different people, there was no one that was a true bona fide leader that said this is how we're doing because.
- [36:33]
B
That'S that everyone's follow me and a lot of other organizations are doing it too.
- [36:36]
A
Maybe it's going to be that now.
- [36:37]
B
The whole It's a collaborative, right?
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A
Everybody's got to say it makes you.
- [36:41]
B
I need somebody to grab the reins.
- [36:42]
A
And maybe Aaron Glenn can be that at some point because he does have that kind of voice. But he doesn't have enough resume right now.
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B
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A
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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C
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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A
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe. Subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
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B
You know why you think that? Because it's the third one and you don't hear it as much.
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C
It's the least popular.
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B
But it is very good.
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A
So this was on Rock Band that that like we used to this was like all night we would do this and this was the best song to do because it's fun to sing and it's got all the different instruments in it and if you nailed it by the end of the you remember playing rock.
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B
Yeah, I, I, I, the Rock band. I had a couple of different versions. There was like I had a Kiss one.
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A
Oh yeah, we had a Beatles one. That was great.
- [39:47]
B
Was there was really. Yeah, well, the Beetle Rock Band, we got it. We were. We were in Long Beach Island. It was one of the only times I've been going down the shore for 25 years where the whole week was a washout. Like every day it rained.
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A
So you were inside, had to find.
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B
Something and he said let's, let's go. And we got it with the, the drums and the guitar.
- [40:05]
A
It was just so much fun.
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B
We still have it. We try to. It's a little bit much for the kids now, but I think they'd be totally when they get a little bit.
- [40:12]
A
Older, they might like when I hear.
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B
Oasis or I hear any of those like 90s because there's a channel on SiriusXM called Lithium, which is 90s alternative and grunge. So whenever I hear those bands, it takes me back to driving from North Jersey to Long island to go to Sports Phone every day Listening to those musics, like, dreaming that I'd be doing what I'm doing now. It's like. It's really cool to just go back.
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A
To that because I can relate.
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B
It was. It was totally relate. Music can do that more than anything. Food and smells and stuff. But Time Machine just takes you back Exactly. To a period that just makes a lot. There's even some songs that aren't Christmas songs, but for some reason, they remind me of Christmas because that was the first time I heard it. You know, it's just. It's amazing what music can do for sure. All right, let's get back to the busy phones, full bank. Let's go to Subi in Midtown. You're on espn newer. Hey, guys.
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D
You guys think that Lindor doesn't have one good streak in.
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B
And we all know he's a streaky hitter. Well, good.
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A
Changes everything. It's true.
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D
How much money? He doesn't have one little streak that he hasn't had in the past month. I mean, he's done, like, over 16 slumps. And we're paying this guy who's turning 32.
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B
Why are you building around him first? Building around someone else, like a Boba.
- [41:27]
D
Who you can get in free agency.
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B
And clear the table of his money.
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D
And maybe other players like McNeil just clean the swamp. That's pretty much it. That's.
- [41:36]
B
What do you do? But you're not moving that contract. That's the problem. You're probably not moving Nimmos contract.
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A
Where are you putting them, though? You're putting them at second.
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B
Yeah.
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A
What are you doing with them?
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B
I understand what he's saying now. If you want to say. I want to. I got to get better players around Lindor. It is very maddening how streaky he is, but you're right. Maybe these last 12 games, he catches fire. The Mets win 10 to the 12 and solidify a playoff spot, and everything's great, and they carry it into the postseason. But, God, that. That inconsistency just is the same thing with Stan. Like, Stan could be so hot.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But now he just can't. And you know, when Stan's off, like, he. He's missing pitches by, like, two feet. He's just completely guessing. Well, it's a low.
- [42:18]
A
It's the low out of the strike zone that gets him, because when you make a mistake, he crushes it. But if you're pitching consistently out of the strike on him, he'll fall for it. How old's Machete?
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B
26.
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A
He's still that Young, right?
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C
Oh yeah.
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B
I don't. Yeah.
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A
Toronto. Toronto has a boatload of money. So they could pay him to, you know, because they, I mean you think you want to keep this team together? They've tried to say. They tried to get Soto. They're willing to like it'd be interesting. Would he really leave there Oba shot.
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B
Is gotta be 27.
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A
27. All right. So you give a guy like eight year deal. He just got. Vladdy just got paid too. What did he get?
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C
He got his bag.
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A
Right.
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B
Well, I think Toronto, they're gonna start to keep. Keep these guys. And also Toronto is. It's not Montreal, all right. It's not like when the NBA went to Vancouver. Like Toronto, it feels like a US City. Listen, there is issues with the taxes and all that. The money's not the same value and coverage. But as long as they're winning, it's actually a really perfect spot to be in. It's like being a Ranger in New York. Like it's a good team. They got tons of fans. But you can hide.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because you're the fourth sport. Like in Toronto, they love the Blue Jays. They care about the Blue Jays. But you know it's not the Maple Leafs.
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A
Right.
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B
Right. So you know that you, you probably certain places you can hide. It's a cosmopolitan city.
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A
A lot like New York there though, because the Raptors are not good anymore. Right. So you're really going to get. Leafs are just going to dominate 12, 12 months out of the game.
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B
The Leafs. Yeah.
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A
But the Blue Jays with what they're becoming and they make the playoffs and.
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B
Go on a little running around long.
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A
We have seen Toronto, when they have a good baseball team, they go crazy.
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B
Now they go nuts. Yeah.
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A
So it's still. But they've got a lot of money to throw around.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because you know, Bichette's a guy that if you're the Yankees and you really are serious about moving on from Volpe and you don't know what George Lombard Jr. Is going to be, you know, that's, that's what you do, but don't see it.
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B
Let's go to Dan and Sarah Toga. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Dan?
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D
Hey, what's going on guys? How you doing?
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B
Good.
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D
Let's call it. Call this show what it is. It's a sports show. Discuss. It's a music show disguised as a sports show.
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B
You know what I mean?
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D
What are we doing here?
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B
It does.
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C
We don't have anymore. Although we should bring it back Because I enjoyed it, but that's point by day.
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D
That being said, I have a question. Music related. I'm going to give you two bands of two artists and, and you just tell me who's more iconic in their respective genres. I'm going to give you the Beatles and the Stones and I'm going to give you Tupac and Biggie.
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B
I, I, Peter would have to answer that.
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C
But the question was, the question is which is more.
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B
Who's more iconic?
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D
Yes. In this specific genre, like Stones and Beatles for rock.
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C
But, but I think that's pretty easy. Well, for rock, I don't know. Don, do you see any differentiation between like rock and just popular music? That's, Yeah, I think of the Stones as being maybe more impactful for rock music, but the Beatles more impactful for popular.
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A
They were, they were pop, you know.
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C
I don't think of them.
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B
But here's, here's the thing about the, here's the thing about the Beatles and we're gonna get into the weeds.
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C
Here we go.
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B
Yeah, they were bubblegum pop. They started and then sergeant Pepper came out and everybody's minds just blew up.
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A
Like.
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C
Exactly.
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B
It would just, it changed everything. Everybody wanted to be like them. It was just so influential. And then everything after that became like rock. Like the Rolling Stones are just a really good rock band and have been for 60 years. But they're, to me, they're number two. And I don't think there's really anybody. You want to say that we had this conversation too, like the whole Led Zeppelin. But those are the two and nobody's touching him. I, I gotta think there are other people along with Tupac and Biggie. Jay Z's gotta be in the conversation. Right?
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C
There are. And Biggie and Tupac are really challenging because culturally, meaning, remove the music. Just talk culture affected the world.
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B
Right.
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C
Tupac's bigger than Biggie. That, like from a cultural. Literally, like you go anywhere in the world and there'll be children. He's Bob Marley. Like, it's, it's just sort of different. Yeah, but then there's within music. Then you have a different conversation.
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A
To be fair, this is a half hour conversation.
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C
Yeah, yeah, we know what.
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B
He dropped the music bomb.
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A
Yeah, but he complained about the music.
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B
And then he dropped the ball.
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A
It's a great question, but. Oh, no, that's not what.
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C
He wasn't complaining.
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B
Oh, that was his compliment.
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C
Saying that it's really amusing.
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A
Too much to solve in. It's too much. A quick answer.
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B
No, but like Tupac and Biggie now, like it's not even about the music. Right. You can, you can find people that are wearing their T shirts and you know, they probably don't know anything about it.
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C
I would argue that Biggie has stayed still very much about the music. And Tupac, it's about what he represented as, like he was so much more than that. Yeah, his, his as a figure Tupac was, is like mythical. You know what I'm saying?
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A
Yes. Totally understand it. You know what it is? It's almost like Kobe.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Kobe became after death was so much different than just a basketball player.
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C
Exactly. And for that, by the way, like he'll always mean something different than LeBron or D. Wade or whoever else from the era.
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A
It's amazing.
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B
1-800-9 1, I'm throwing out the number out of habit because we've got ENN coming up. Don Hanna Rosenberg on ESPN New York.
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A
Well, hold on.
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C
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