Hour 3: Super Bowl Futures & Jets QB Plans

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 3: Super Bowl Futures & Jets QB Plans

Date: February 9, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Network: ESPN New York

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Episode Overview

This episode is a lively deep dive into NFL Super Bowl futures, the New York Jets’ quarterback dilemma, and some Knicks/Celtics NBA chatter. The hosts debate betting odds, roster construction, and realistic expectations for next season, especially regarding the Giants, Jets, Commanders, and changes around the league. They close with pop-culture tangents around music and an Olympic moment, all maintaining their trademark banter and New York sports edge.

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Key Discussion Points

1. NFL Super Bowl Futures: Early Odds, Surprises, and Value Picks

Timestamps: 00:44–06:39

• Hosts run through the betting odds to win next year's Super Bowl, noting it's "folly" to take these too seriously before the draft and free agency.

  • Top Favorites: Rams and Seahawks tied at +950; Eagles and two others at 13:1; Bills at 11:1.
  • "It's folly. It's pre-draft. It's pre-free agency. It's stupid, but it's fun.” – Alan (00:44)

• Chicago Bears Highlight:

  • Alan calls the Bears a value pick at 25:1, crediting Caleb Williams’ progress: "What I saw Caleb do last year, I like Chicago." (04:25)
  • Both Alan and Don agree those odds stand out, questioning parity with teams like Cincinnati: "How are they tied with Cincinnati? Someone make that make sense again." – Peter (04:50)

• Underdog Mentions:

  • Cowboys (35:1), Buccaneers (40:1), Commanders (60:1), Giants (100:1), Jets (180:1), Dolphins and Cardinals (200–250:1).
  • Don jokes: "So you're saying there's a chance..." for the Giants (05:34).

2. Too-Early Power Rankings & State of the Locals

Timestamps: 06:29–09:39

• Giants:

  • Power ranked 25th by ESPN, despite new coaching staff & hope: "Playoffs for the Giants, I think there's a better reality there... I don't think that's crazy." – Don (06:39)
  • Peter would’ve placed them higher, at 18th: "Because of the new coach and the developing quarterback, I believe they would be good to be a fringe playoff team." (07:52)

• Commanders:

  • 20th in power ranks, 60:1 Super Bowl odds. "That's disrespectful... But they were terrible last year." – Alan & Peter (08:55, 08:58)
  • Hosts note the Commanders have the fifth-most cap space, lots up in the air.

• Jets:

  • Bottom of the league at 31st, with hosts debating who's even lower (Browns, Cardinals, Dolphins, Raiders).
  • Don: "Jets. Four of the top 44 picks in the draft, 80 million in cap space. But of course, it's never been about that. It's always been about, what are you doing with it?" (10:32)
  • Jets fans’ existential pain resonates: "Everything with the Jets just makes you feel like this is not gonna work." – Don (23:20)

3. Jets Quarterback Carousel: Kirk Cousins? Kyler Murray? Anyone?

Timestamps: 13:46–24:31 & 40:35–41:22

• Cousins vs. Carr Options:

  • Alan sees Cousins as more viable, particularly if released: "A veteran quarterback. Cousins could work with the young guy, not embarrass you." (14:43)
  • Don reminds, "Cousins being released is the easier thing for the jets to do." (14:52)

• Kyler Murray as a Younger Alternative:

  • Don: "It's probably a better fit for you to go there. First of all, younger, second of all, if you're sticking with Fields as well, you have two quarterbacks that can run." (15:23)
  • But Alan is cautious: "There's going to be that, well, maybe we found our guy." (16:28)

• QB Room Construction:

  • Hosts debate a trio of Cousins, Fields, and a drafted rookie, with Alan saying he can live with that combo (18:34).
  • Don is less optimistic, wary of being stuck: "Look, it's bad enough you got that extra year with Fields and now you're stuck." (19:11)

• Cousins Assessment:

  • Peter is skeptical of Cousins’ declining skills: "He is not Kirk Cousins... Something broke a couple of years ago." (15:57)
  • Alan points to statistics: "He completed 61.7% of his passes after completing nearly 67 the previous two years... That’s where the drop off is." (21:22)

• Jameis Winston Mention (fan call):

  • Don and Alan don’t hate the idea, but think he’s likely to stay as a valued backup elsewhere (40:35–41:22).
  • "If there's a team that can do it [break an optimistic QB], I think it's the Jets." – Alan (41:18)

4. NBA Roundup: Knicks, Celtics, and Alvarado's Impact

Timestamps: 26:45–35:37

• Knicks bounce back vs. Celtics after an ugly loss to the Pistons:

  • Alan: "They bounced back nicely on Sunday with a big win over the Celtics." (27:04)
  • Don credits new acquisition Jose Alvarado with changing the team's attitude and intensity:
    • "He changed the attitude of the Knicks... and that galvanized the Knicks, man." (28:23)
    • Details Alvarado's signature play—sneaky steals in the backcourt and tough defense.

• Celtics' Trajectory/Ceiling:

  • Don isn't sold on the Celtics as a true threat: "I just don't know after they made moves that were more financially motivated than they were building up the roster..." (32:39)
  • Peter says the Celtics will be “annoying” but run out of gas: "They should be annoying. It’s about how annoying that." (33:18–33:32)

5. Listener Calls and Pop Culture Tangents

Timestamps: 34:05–35:37, 35:37–39:16

• Knicks strategy/rotation (Caller 'Moose'):

  • Praises Alvarado and speculates on late-game lineups. "Alvarado is a Swiss army knife at 6, 7, 6, 8, who can play amongst the trees and guard them." (34:54)

• Music Sidebars: "Stairway to Heaven" & Hip-Hop Equivalents:

  • Hosts debate which hip-hop song is akin to "Stairway to Heaven" in overplay yet iconic status.
  • Consensus is there isn’t a direct equivalent, but "Hypnotize" by Biggie is a candidate (caller Matt, 38:32).
  • Don, after checking with AI: "Stairway to Heaven is a complex allegorical song about a materialistic woman trying to secure her place in heaven... through her wealth rather than spiritual growth." (39:16)
  • Peter: "I honestly don't think hip hop has a Stairway." (36:16)

6. Closing Tangents: Olympics & Lindsey Vonn, Show Banter

Timestamps: 41:22–42:07

• Olympics:

  • Alan laments Lindsey Vonn’s misfortune, "She’s like, ACL shmacl in a loud, loud way." (42:02)
  • Peter: "Sometimes you give people, congratulations, you played yourself, and you feel terrible doing it, but you go, how can you not?" (41:51)

• Show banter:

  • Don: "I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it’s good." (42:07)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Jets' QB Woes:
  • "Everything with the jets just makes you feel like this is not gonna work." – Don (23:20)
  • "This feels like Cousins is going to be the next jets quarterback. This feels that way, doesn't it?" – Alan (17:28)
• On Betting Value:
  • "25 to 1 with the Bears was sexy." – Peter (04:50)
• On the Knicks' New Attitude:
  • "He [Alvarado] changed the attitude of the Knicks... and that galvanized the Knicks, man." – Don (28:23)
• On Musical Comparisons:
  • "I honestly don't think hip hop has a Stairway." – Peter (36:16)

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Key Timestamps

• NFL Futures Odds Discussion: 00:44–06:39
• Power Rankings Overview: 06:29–09:39
• Jets QB Solutions: 13:46–24:31, returns at 40:35
• NBA/Knicks Segment: 26:45–35:37
• Listener Music/Culture Calls: 35:37–39:16
• Olympic Incident (Lindsey Vonn): 41:22–42:07

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Episode Tone and Style

The episode is marked by classic New York sports wit, skepticism, and camaraderie. The hosts balance cynical realism about the Jets and local teams with moments of hope and plenty of laughs. There’s a blend of analysis, personal anecdotes, and playful pop culture riffs, staying both insightful and entertaining throughout.

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For listeners interested in NFL futures, the unpredictable quarterback market, or how the Knicks are carving out an edge, this episode delivers both information and entertainment while capturing the restless optimism and sharp-tongued commentary that is the show’s trademark.

Transcript

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[Peter]

The best odds?

[Alan]

The best odds to go back.

[Don Hahn]

To go back.

[Alan]

To win it or to go the NFL championship?

[Peter]

Odds.

[Alan]

So this is to win.

[Peter]

To win the whole thing?

[Alan]

Yes.

[Peter]

How about when?

[Alan]

The whole damn thing.

[Peter]

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[Don Hahn]

I'm going Seattle.

[Alan]

Philadelphia. Their odds are 13 to 1.

[Peter]

That's got to be pretty high.

[Alan]

And that's fourth. They were actually third because there's a tie for first.

[Don Hahn]

Tie for first.

[Alan]

Right. So there's a tie for first.

[Peter]

I bet the Rams are in now.

[Alan]

The Rams are tied for first at +9.50. Seattle in there and tied with Seattle.

[Peter]

Wow. All right, we figured it out. Look at us.

[Alan]

So who is the third? Third.

[Peter]

Wait, wait. So hold on.

[Alan]

So you have the Rams, Seahawks tied a plus 950. They've got the Eagles at 13 to 1. But between the Eagles, Seahawks and Rams, there's a team. Oh, and that team is 11 to 1.

[Peter]

Is it the Chiefs?

[Alan]

No, no.

[Don Hahn]

AFC team.

[Alan]

It is a AFC team. Actually, looking at it, it's a. Yeah, it's three. And then the Eagles are tied with two other teams at 13.

[Don Hahn]

Denver Broncos.

[Alan]

The Denver Broncos.

[Peter]

The Denver Broncos no, he's looking down the list.

[Don Hahn]

No, he's got a scroll.

[Alan]

Oh, my God. Wait a minute. Why am I.

[Don Hahn]

What the hell?

[Alan]

Ding, ding, ding, ding.

[Don Hahn]

Stop it.

[Alan]

Ding, ding.

[Peter]

I guess you're wrong.

[Alan]

Broncos are 8, 18 to 1. It's another AFC, so I believe. 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

[Peter]

New England.

[Don Hahn]

Can't be New England.

[Alan]

New England is tied with two other teams with the Eagles at 13 to 1. So there's another team tied at 13 to 1. Buffalo is 11 to 1. So it's the Rams and Seahawks tied first. I should have thought Bills, Eagles, Ravens, Patriots at 13 to 1.

[Peter]

I just. Both of these teams, the Ravens and.

[Don Hahn]

The Bills, they just.

[Peter]

It's a team of such flux, though. They've new head coaches. How can you agree?

[Don Hahn]

It's still two rosters that. You know.

[Alan]

I'm a little surprised here because then you've got the Lions and Packers at 14 to 1.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Alan]

Chargers and Chiefs 15 to 1.

[Peter]

What?

[Alan]

Niners 17 to 1. Broncos 18 to 1.

[Don Hahn]

Bears. Bears.

[Alan]

Houston, 20 to 1.

[Don Hahn]

Stop it.

[Alan]

Jacksonville, 22 to 1. Cincinnati and Chicago at 25 to 1. Give me the Bears at 25 to 1.

[Don Hahn]

Take them.

[Alan]

Take them. Because I was going to tell you, if not the Patriots and Seahawks, who. Because I said I don't think either of these teams are going back. I would take right now. I would take the Bears coming out of the nfc.

[Peter]

The Bears, right now.

[Alan]

Now, again, it's folly. It's pre draft. It's pre free agency. But what I saw Caleb do last year, I. I like Chicago. I think there's a true whole field advantage there. I. I'm 25 to 1, man. That's good.

[Peter]

That's.

[Alan]

Those are good odds. That's going to go up, man. Or that's going to. You're not going to get odds like that.

[Peter]

If that's. If you could actually get those odds. I don't know if you could actually get those anywhere. 25 to 1 with the Bears was sexy. All right, how are they tied with Cincinnati? Someone make that make sense again.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, it's the whole thing. And it's, It's. It does always stem around quarterbacks. And who would believe in that team?

[Alan]

Cowboys 35 to 1.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Alan]

Buccaneers 40 to 1. Your commanders. This is also a good bet, Peter.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan]

60 to 1.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, 60s. I'm sorry.

[Alan]

60 to 1.

[Don Hahn]

Is that not what the Patriots were on? DraftKings. You could still get the Chicago Bears at plus 2500.

[Peter]

Plus 2500.

[Alan]

By the way. The Giants, 100 to 1.

[Don Hahn]

So you're saying there's a chance and.

[Alan]

The jets are 180 to 1.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, boy.

[Alan]

The two teams with the worst odds to win, Dolphins and Cardinals at 200 to 1. That's actually gotten worse.

[Don Hahn]

Bears got Jim McMahon, jets are 200 to 1. Dolphins and Cardinals are 250 to 1.

[Alan]

Oh, so it's changing. I'm just going by ESPN. This is our. This is the flagship.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but they're using DraftKings and they probably haven't updated since they first came out.

[Alan]

Well, because people are seeing these odds and going, man, already got movement. Because. Yes, listen, Stafford had an unbelievable year. He's a year older in a tough division. All right. Are the Lions on their way down? I think maybe yes. I think the Bears, man, with eight. I think the Bears, it feels like they're ready to take the next step. Now the Giants. Listen, 101. Why not throw it out there, right? New coach, you know, quarterback and all that. But I just think still the Eagles are the class of that division.

[Don Hahn]

Is the part with the Giants. To me, that, like, that would take something pretty miraculous. And of course, there's still a whole off season of roster moves. Right?

[Alan]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

But he's already putting together a good staff, so maybe, you know, the. They. They'll turn around. There's a lot of belief in Jackson Dart. I love that, like, Dart was there at the super bowl and he was talking about it how much like, he wants to be here, he wants to be in this game. He, you know, he's driven by it. And that's all the kind of stuff that you want from your young quarterback. But playoffs for the Giants, I think there's a better reality there of them being able to turn it around enough to be a playoff team next year. I don't think that's crazy. Where do you think, though? ESPN did their, of course, way too early, power rankings. Right. So now the season's over. As we head into the new season, where does all the teams rank now? The two teams are in the super bowl are one and two.

[Alan]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Where do you think the Giants are situated right now? In the park.

[Alan]

That much different than the odds. So I 20 Peter for the Giants, the power rank.

[Don Hahn]

Where would you put them out of 32, what do you think? ESPN's Power Rank or where I think.

[Peter]

That they would be put or what do I think they are?

[Don Hahn]

Well, where. Let's go with. Where do you think they would be put by our fpi?

[Peter]

Well, because of the new coach and the developing quarterback, I Believe they would be good to be a fringe playoff team. 18.

[Don Hahn]

Okay. 18. 25 low.

[Peter]

That's lower than I even thought.

[Don Hahn]

They're surprisingly low. I am surprised by it, but that's where they have them right now. And there's probably still work to be done, so we'll see. Where do you think your commanders are?

[Peter]

I'm worried.

[Don Hahn]

They were going From a top 10 team, I'll say 15, to a team that was out of the playoffs.

[Peter]

Well, we just saw this. They're 60 to 1, and there weren't that many teams. How many teams were lower than them on the. On the super bowl odds? Were they, like, middle of the pack, the commanders?

[Don Hahn]

60 to 1. That was about middle of the pack.

[Alan]

Right?

[Don Hahn]

Kind of second half, right. Other right.

[Alan]

Bottom half, lower. It's bottom half.

[Don Hahn]

Bottom half.

[Alan]

So.

[Peter]

So. Well, they had The Giants at 25. Commanders at 20.

[Don Hahn]

Nailed it.

[Alan]

Wow, that's disrespectful.

[Peter]

Well, listen, no one has any. They were terrible last year. It's hard. You know, no one's imaginative. Right. Like, no one. You follow what you just saw? They saw the Commanders go. Go to Detroit, win a playoff game, and then they go, all right, they're there.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Then the next year, the quarterbacks hurt all year. They don't look very good. They make major changes across the board, coaching wise. Except for they had coach.

[Alan]

Now they have goes.

[Peter]

Oh, they're going to stink.

[Don Hahn]

They have the fifth most cap space. So there's a lot still to be decided about what the team actually looks like. All right, let's.

[Peter]

Fifth most cap space, huh? Yeah, I'll take.

[Don Hahn]

Let's see where we all think the jets will be ranked in the power rankings. It's gonna be 32 teams.

[Alan]

There are.

[Peter]

There are still 32 teams. So I'm gonna go ahead and put them at 30. 31.

[Don Hahn]

31. I thought they'd be at 32. Who do you think's at 32?

[Peter]

Arizona.

[Don Hahn]

Like, it's saying the jets are the most embarrassing franchise in the sport, but they're not as bad as this team.

[Alan]

Dolphins.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Peter]

Zona. Zona. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Alan]

Raiders.

[Don Hahn]

No. Raiders are 30. Dolphins are 29, Cardinals are 28. Who are. You're forgetting one that is also historically Browns Clown show.

[Peter]

No, Really? I don't know. I wouldn't have. With that defense.

[Alan]

That defense.

[Peter]

How can you think they're going to be that bad? They can't make any changes.

[Don Hahn]

If you have Miles Garrett, it's amazing.

[Peter]

There's no reason that you shouldn't at least be a middle of the pack football, right.

[Alan]

I can't have you last if your defense is.

[Peter]

I can't literally. People cannot score against them.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, the Jets. Four of the top 44 picks in the draft, 80 million in cap space. But of course, it's never been about that. It's always been about what are you doing with it. Right? So this is Darren Muji's show right now. They. They still need a quarterback.

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[Alan]

Is available.

[Don Hahn]

And Derek Carr is talking about a comeback. And so if you put those two on the table, which way are you going?

[Alan]

I mean Cousins played more recently. Cousins played right now. Carr would have been the pivot if they decided not to go.

[Don Hahn]

Rogers, he wanted to be here, but not with this.

[Alan]

But then the shoulder got hurt. It ended up aging poorly on both sides.

[Don Hahn]

You worry about his durability, don't you? I don't know more than Cuz you're.

[Alan]

Closer to it than me, Peter, because you had Cousins and had success with Cousins.

[Don Hahn]

But.

[Alan]

I guess you just want a quarterback and a guy that can win games. He's better than Tyrod Taylor. You don't if you do draft a quarterback, you don't want him starting right away in all likelihood, I guess. Why not? It doesn't do very much but of what's available. This feels like that's going to happen. Right. A veteran quarterback. Cousins could work with the young guy now, not embarrass you.

[Don Hahn]

Cousins being released is the easier thing for the jets to do. Carr is still. Even though he retired the Saints still own his rights. You'd have to do some type of compensation.

[Alan]

Yeah. Why bother with that? Right. So that that that knocks him out.

[Don Hahn]

And it's, you know, a guy that who knows is he ever going to be right.

[Alan]

And if you. And if and if Murray shakes free and is just a free agent. If they would you rather have him than Cousins. If I gotta give something to Arizona, then forget it. But if he shakes loose the way.

[Don Hahn]

The Cousins he's released and you just pay him what you because he's already got money in his pocket. I as much as it would make me crazy because I'm not a big fan of Kyler Murray, it's probably a better fit for you to go there. First of all, younger. Second of all, if you're sticking with Fields as well, you have two quarterbacks that can run, so you know exactly what you want to do. Your offense. Right, right. So it's a little bit smarter of a play. They've got to do something. Right. And that's why these names, as much as they sound.

[Peter]

Let me just say it's about Cousins, though. He. He something. Something broke a couple of years ago. There's a reason this slide happened. I mean, let's not forget. What was it, two full years ago, guys? He literally has one of the greatest comebacks in history. That offense from Minnesota is clicking, and now Atlanta has no use for him. So something broke. He is not Kirk Cousins. It's the same thing. I got caught up with Justin Fields. It's the same thing with Kyler Murray. There's a part of you that thinks, is there some ceiling we haven't seen yet? That maybe the right thing could be there for Kyler Murray.

[Alan]

See, that's why I'm less excited about Murray, because there is going to be that. Well, maybe we found our guy. They'll crack the code on him, he'll stay healthy, and he could be our franchise quarter. You're not thinking that with Cousins. You know exactly what he is. He's a stopgap. He's going to work with your young quarterbacks. He's going to try to win you some games and then eventually go away. He's 37 years old. When does he turn 38? He turns 38 in August, so he'll be 38 years old. But you bring in a Kyler Murray, it's going to be like Peter said, that Justin Fields, like, well, maybe we found our guy. And so every time he has a good game, it's like, we got our guy. You're not having that with Cousins. You are what you are. You're not our future. You're our present. And to get the quarterback we draft or whatever, ready for 2027, it just feels like Cousins is going to be the next jets quarterback. This feels that way, doesn't it?

[Peter]

I think it does.

[Alan]

Unfortunately, I'm not asking for movement, but I think that's a good thing. You know exactly what it is.

[Don Hahn]

Murray.

[Peter]

But no Kyler Murray. Michael.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Kyler Murray.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter]

That's not a. Not him.

[Don Hahn]

I don't. I just don't know how that works and what you do with Justin Fields, because to have the two of them is. It's two completely different systems, but Justin.

[Alan]

Fields is just, He's a cap hit. We're going to keep him because we don't want to eat the dead money.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan]

And we're going to have to have. First of all, we don't even know if they're drafting a quarterback, right? We don't know.

[Don Hahn]

I think they're going to. At some point they'll. They'll draft somebody.

[Alan]

So, so couldn't. So can't there be a world where we've got Kirk Cousins, whoever we draft, and Justin Fields is on the roster because we don't want to take the cap hit and we don't have to play the kid. If Cousins gets hurt on opening day, it pulls a Aaron Rodgers. Now we're not. Now we've got the guy that can play Fields. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Now you're. And those are your three quarterbacks for another year.

[Alan]

Are you okay with Cousins, Fields and whoever they draft as your quarterback room? I could live with that.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know.

[Alan]

I. Again, how does Fields hurt you? He's not a bad guy. I know.

[Don Hahn]

Are you telling me that Murray's not available? That no one else is a. No one else is a. Is available. This is the best you can do? Let's just say you know Mac Jones. Like, you're not doing any of that, right?

[Alan]

I mean, I guess you could.

[Don Hahn]

You could. If Mac Jones wants to come and do like one of these prove it. Sam Darnold deals, right? I don't want to be. I don't want to be. Look, it's bad enough you got that extra year with Fields and now you're stuck.

[Alan]

But your veteran is just the stopgap for whoever you drive.

[Don Hahn]

No, you're not drafting a guy. That you're saying this is our future. You're drafting a guy and you're just wondering, you know, let's see what he can turn into. I don't think you have that in this draft. But like, you're not. Like if you're using a third round pick or fourth round pick on a quarterback, you're not. I don't think you're using a.

[Alan]

No, no, because that's. That, that's silly.

[Don Hahn]

If four picks in the top 44, you got to use them to fill holes on a roster.

[Alan]

Unless somebody's there. Let's see how this all goes, right?

[Moose]

We.

[Alan]

We haven't even gone through the combine yet. They haven't had their pro days yet.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not falling for that again.

[Alan]

I'm just saying that Cousins just feels. It just feels like it's a tight.

[Don Hahn]

I understand what you're saying. It feels a fade of complete. And it all goes back to this also. He didn't want to be here the first time around. They didn't want to live in New York. They didn't want to be here. Yeah, but now he's going to have a change of heart.

[Alan]

Listen, do you want to play or not? I mean, who else is going to get signing him?

[Don Hahn]

But I need to know that you're.

[Alan]

All 38 years old. He has played a. He played. How many games did he play last year? He appeared in 10. He started eight.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

And he had a winning record, right.

[Don Hahn]

Five, five and three.

[Alan]

His more touchdowns than picks 10 and five.

[Peter]

But it's not sexy anymore.

[Don Hahn]

No. Well, it's also. Again, it's limited action too.

[Alan]

And if you played a full season, he probably throws for over 3,000 yards, probably down 10 or something is wrong. He used wrong as he's old.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Yeah. I guess he just got old and he's not.

[Alan]

Not everybody could be, you know, Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre or Tom Brady.

[Don Hahn]

But he's a savant though. Like hear him talk football. He's got that. That kind of crazy mentality about like quarterback play and understanding it. Like he does have that cerebral part.

[Peter]

But I just know Kirk Cousins very well. He's. He's not Flacco. Flacco. Flacco is not athletic in a traditional sense.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter]

Like he's obviously a great athlete.

[Don Hahn]

He's an NFL quarterback, but he's just.

[Peter]

A big boy who can still chuck it. Cousins cousin's arm relies more on an innate athleticism that he had and that has been failing him.

[Don Hahn]

That's you all better than me.

[Peter]

I'm telling you. That's his arm. His throwing style comes from his athleticism. He's not Joe Flacco. He's a different dude.

[Alan]

The big drop off to me is that he completed 61.7% of his passes after completing nearly 67 the previous two years. That's where the drop off is.

[Peter]

Wait, that was even in Atlanta. He completed 67?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Oh, no. He's always been over 60.

[Peter]

But he hit him in Atlanta.

[Alan]

He led the league in interceptions with 16.

[Don Hahn]

That was the problem.

[Alan]

But he had 18 touchdown passes and 3,500 yards in 14 games. Now you just said the key thing. Does he even want to be here? He didn't want to be here last time. No, but last time was what, three years ago when he gets more than we knew he was coming off of you know, throwing for 4,500 yards and 20, 29 touchdowns. Now, he's got his hat in his hand. That might be the only offer he gets. And he'll likely start. There may be a team that offers him something, and he'll be a backup. But with the jets, he'll probably, if he's healthy, will start all 17 games. Right? Does he want that?

[Don Hahn]

Like I said, I think the jets might be more in tune with a Kyler Murray type situation.

[Alan]

But I agree with you.

[Don Hahn]

And I think that if he shakes.

[Alan]

Free, if I got to give Arizona something, I'm good.

[Don Hahn]

Unless they. Can you do that in the NFL? Can they take. Can they pay some of the salary, or is that just a baseball thing?

[Alan]

It's. It's complicated because that has to be.

[Don Hahn]

Part of the deal.

[Alan]

They'd have to take something.

[Don Hahn]

There's no way you're thinking taking that.

[Alan]

Whole thing or you're just going to have. Yeah, you can't. You can't do that. You know, they'll never be able to move. They'll just have to release.

[Don Hahn]

Or he'll have to agree to do some kind of rework of the contract. You know, Bart always used to tell me that the salary cap is really. It's arbitrary because you can always rework deals, give you more. Oh, yeah. Front. And then you give us back years.

[Alan]

Well, you gotta pay the piper at some point, of course. And I'm not. And I'm not doing that for Kyler Murray.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Alan]

Because, you know, if I go out there and win a championship, it's a different story. But if I'm just gonna go four wins and I gotta pay the piper.

[Don Hahn]

Down the road, I just don't know what's palpable. I really don't anymore. Because again, everything just makes you sick. Everything with the jets just makes you feel like this is not gonna work.

[Peter]

Well, the whole con, I could argue we should have just replayed Bad Bunnies Halftime.

[Don Hahn]

This is that bad?

[Peter]

No, no, no, it wasn't boring.

[Don Hahn]

This is all the options you have. It's the second worst team in the league, and they're in New York.

[Peter]

And nothing good's going to happen from any of these situations, unfortunately.

[Don Hahn]

But that's. I think that's what we had to. Though discuss, is we had to come up with the idea that there really isn't a great plan. There's nothing. Which is why they're 31, which is. I'm surprised, as you guys just said, they really should be 32, because at least they have Miles Garrett. At least the Browns have something. Somewhat. The jets have nothing.

[Peter]

Arizona is moving on from quarterback. Moved on from coach, too, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter]

And they're still ahead.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Yeah. I'm telling you, it's a sign.

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[Alan]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter]

Get me back in the mix, baby. Let the boring game be my team.

[Don Hahn]

Playing all right wouldn't be boring for you. Exactly.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter]

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[Alan]

So last we talked to you on Friday, the Knicks were about to play the Pistons. Who's gonna play? Pistons were coming off a miserable loss to Washington. Okay, so you knew it was a tough spot, but they got manhandled on Friday in Detroit. But they bounced back nicely on Sunday with a big win over the. Over the Celtics.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Does that make. Because now it's nine out of 10. Does Friday become a one off? Because that was the injuries. That's an angry Pistons team.

[Alan]

Those angry Pistons.

[Don Hahn]

What are you so mad about? Well, because they had lost the Wizards night before, right? No Towns, no Anunoby. And then Hart didn't play the second half of the game. But they started off, I mean, they.

[Peter]

Were, they lost from the first, what, five minutes.

[Don Hahn]

It was just, they couldn't make a three.

[Alan]

That was a tough spot.

[Don Hahn]

Ugly, ugly game. Brunson, they had him in jail. So that was a.

[Peter]

Listen, you never, you never want to lose against a team that you could have to play in the conference finals by whatever it was. 38 points. It's never ideal.

[Don Hahn]

So they're minus 69 in two games against them.

[Peter]

It doesn't make you feel confident if a series were to come.

[Alan]

But then again last year, look at against Cleveland and Chicago and Boston. But they bounce back.

[Don Hahn]

But. Right. So Friday felt like they just don't have enough dogs to take on this angry, you know, Rottweiler Pistons team, right. That just, you could tell they see the Knicks and they see blood because they feel like, you know, they beat us last year and we want to prove that we're better than them and all that stuff. So then all of a sudden, what I saw on the court in Boston was the Knicks unleashed a Rottweiler, Jose Alvarado.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Let me tell you something. When it comes to like, what does a team need at the trade deadline? And you're trying to see like, you know, what can you get? That was it this guy. Now, he played 26 minutes. He had 12 points. You know, he was good. But what you saw, what I saw was the type of game he plays, which is what he's about in New Orleans. And Stuff, right? So it's not like he had this one game where he was feeling it, his debut. This is who he is. But he changed the attitude of the Knicks, especially when Jaylen Brown was starting to kind of beast mode a little bit, get into the paint. They couldn't make a 3, but Brown kept him in the game because he could score at will going in the paint. And then Alvarado just started, like, switching off on him, and he took an elbow to the chin, drew a foul. He got a strip on him in another, you know, another situation, and then happened corner, open three. He missed it. Celtics bench, mocking him, laughing at him. And Alvarado has this thing that. Where everybody's going to get used to, where he kind of, like, plays possum in the back court. And so the other team now brings the ball up the floor. And then he runs behind you, almost like a pickpocket, and just smacks the ball away from you. You don't know he's there because you. You're not thinking. You're just bringing the ball up the floor. And he sprints behind, smacks the ball away, takes it for a layup and turns around and looks at the Celtics bench. And now he's, like, giving him. And the Knicks haven't had that kind of snarl. They haven't had that kind of attitude since Dante DiVincenzo left. That kind of a guard that just punches back. And that galvanized the Knicks man. And Mike Brown played the two of them together, he and Brunson. That's a small backcourt. Alvarado is barely six feet, but he's strong. He's tough, but he's barely six feet. Him and Brunson together, that's a small backcourt, but they get away with it. Why? Because if you're trying to pick on Brunson and get him into, like, switches, Alvarado sees it coming, and he's already got Brunson switching out, and he's covering forms. And now when the switch happens, guess who's on him? Me. Bulldog's on you. Not my star. He's already has that instinct to protect Brunson, to take. There's something different about what he brings, which I think is going to help this team. And so that game, which really turned in the third quarter, when the Knicks, when Brown was doing whatever he wanted, and all of a sudden, Alvarado had this impact that was just so noticeable. And then Brunson, by the fourth quarter, that's when he went enter Sandman, just closed the Deal fans were leaving the building and all that was left were Knick fans. And I've never heard in Boston, let's go Knicks. Chance as loud as that, not even after game one and two. Like, you know, there were some Knicks fans up in Boston for the first two playoff games that they won, but nothing like that was a loud let's go Knicks chant in that building late in that game. So that trade, remember I always told you this, trades you make at the deadline that aren't headline trades but like in April or May, somebody can say, you know, they got him at the deadline. What a great pickup that was. This could be one of them.

[Alan]

Are the Celtics in trouble?

[Don Hahn]

Yes. I don't like what I saw from them because they're so reliant on three point shot.

[Peter]

That sounds familiar.

[Don Hahn]

And. But this is different now when their talent isn't what it used to be.

[Peter]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Joe Missoula should win coach of the year because of how they just play so hard. Right? But Jaylen Brown by himself, if you have somebody that can guard him or slow him down, they've got nothing else. Pritchard is really different. They put him back on the bench because they needed some scoring off the bench because when they made decision to go get Nick Vucevich as his expiring contract and they moved off of Anthony Simons who was giving them a lot of offense off the bench. Now all of a sudden they've got guys coming in the game and they. What are they supposed to do? So unless they're making their high volume threes, which they can do, but unless they're knocking them down at a regular rate, they're going to struggle to win a playoff series. So it's been, it's a great story. They still are a third place, you know, tied with the Knicks, but they.

[Alan]

Are still really good right now.

[Don Hahn]

But I just don't know after they made moves that were more financially motivated than they were building up the roster, I just, I don't know if they're going to be able to sustain this and especially in a playoff. I could be wrong, but they looked mortal for a half against Miami on Friday and then they looked mortal for most of that game on Sunday.

[Alan]

Yeah, Cleveland's two back over the Knicks and the Celtics. The Raptors two and a half.

[Don Hahn]

Cleveland just got it hardened and Cleveland's gonna be interesting to watch here.

[Alan]

And the Pistons have the five game lead. They're gonna win. They're gonna win the.

[Peter]

And listen, the Celtics in all likelihood, I think, I think everybody knows that the. Even if they're playing well, Alan, the most likely thing is they push it as far as they can. And at some point, it's going to be too much for them to withstand this. But they should be annoying. It's about how annoying that.

[Don Hahn]

And this is a Celtic Pride kind of year. Especially Joe Missoula.

[Peter]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Because you told. We all told them. Well, there's no Tatum. They just away. They traded away all these guys, you know, for. To save money. Yeah, they're tanking. They're not trying to win. And Joe Missoula's like, that's not what we're about. We're always trying to win. And so to their credit, they've been extremely competitive this year. But I wouldn't, you know, I really would be surprised. Any thought of a Tatum coming back and then making some kind of run this year, I think they're the team to worry about. Of course, next season.

[Alan]

Go to Moose in Jamaica. You're on espn. New York. What's up, Moose?

[Moose]

What's good, fellas? First things first, Don, if. When it comes to the greatest Ross songs of the past, if we're not starting the conversation with Stairway to Heaven, I can't have a serious conversation with. About music with you. But to talk a little bit about the super bowl outside, I did watch 2020 when there was Shakira and Jlo, because Jennifer Lopez a rod. What are you doing? Breaking her heart. But to talk about the Knicks, I look for a run of 12, two or possibly 25 in the next coming games because the schedule gets easier. And everything that Ellen said about Alvarado is correct. But even more so, look for him late in games to replace Bridges or play along with Bridges or like they'll have a rotation of Bridges, OG and Hart defensively and let Brunson and Cat work the offense because Alvarado is a Swiss army knife at 6, 7, 6, 8, who can play amongst the trees and guard them. Well, thanks for taking my call.

[Alan]

All right, Thanks a lot, Moose.

[Don Hahn]

He's a tough kid, man. And he's from Brooklyn. As you know, his parents were there. They still live in New York. And so this, you know, again, blood in the ground thing, putting on the jersey meant so much to him. He's very emotional. Going to be something to watch now. Now, they've only got two games left before the break, but they were able to get themselves right on Sunday, which was very important. So now it's nine wins in the last 10.

[Alan]

Now, Moose threw out Stairway to Heaven. Now, I don't know in the hip hop world, if there is a song that universally. Everyone's kind of sick of Stairway.

[Peter]

Denied.

[Alan]

However, whenever they come out, like, 4th of July, Labor Day weekend, you know, SiriusXM will have, like, the top 500 songs all time. It's always number one.

[Peter]

All number one.

[Alan]

And it's like one of those songs, like, you hear it, like, and then you realize, you know what? I haven't heard this song in, like, five years. And then you're like, this is a really amazing song. Is there a hip hop song like that where it's like, people are good, but you still have to acknowledge its greatness?

[Peter]

No, I don't. I honestly don't think hip hop has a Stairway. You. Alan did.

[Don Hahn]

It's funny, because as he was asking that, I was going through, like, a scenario that. No, no. I'm trying to think of something that is not one universally played and just has become like. I'm like, okay, maybe hip hop.

[Peter]

Hooray.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Peter]

That could be, like, the closest one.

[Don Hahn]

That's a good one.

[Peter]

It's a great song. But also, people play like, okay, yeah. You know what I mean?

[Don Hahn]

But like, Stairway, My Adidas, it doesn't get played a lot anymore.

[Peter]

Yeah, but that's the thing. Like, Running, Walk this Way.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, because it wouldn't be that.

[Peter]

Song, you know, and sucker MCs. But no one's, like, sick. And people love sucker MCs when you hear it.

[Don Hahn]

Well, all right. Is it the Sugar Hill Gang? That's one that feels.

[Peter]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that could be in the conversation.

[Don Hahn]

The minute somebody plays you, like, all right, all right.

[Alan]

But you got to put, like, if.

[Don Hahn]

I'm gonna do this song, that song eight minutes long, right?

[Peter]

That's right.

[Don Hahn]

15 I rapper's delight.

[Alan]

How do I not put Stairway on there?

[Peter]

You have to.

[Don Hahn]

In the top five. You don't have to do anything, Don.

[Alan]

No, I know, but like I said, whenever they do a list, it's always.

[Don Hahn]

I understand, but it doesn't make it right.

[Alan]

Yeah, but sometimes you just got to listen to the people.

[Don Hahn]

Whose list Is this your list or their list?

[Alan]

Well, it's my list.

[Don Hahn]

I will.

[Peter]

There you go.

[Don Hahn]

Do your list.

[Alan]

But I'm even acknowledging the fact that I can get sick of it. But then it's still a great song.

[Don Hahn]

What's it about?

[Alan]

What's it about?

[Peter]

It's the Stairway to Heaven.

[Alan]

I never took the deep dive on what it's about.

[Don Hahn]

I'm trying to figure out what's the meaning of the song.

[Alan]

Also the Countdown. 1980 was 1980. So it's an old 79 song.

[Don Hahn]

That's, that's a, that's a Tough fool.

[Alan]

In the Rain from Led Zeppelin. It is such a, it's such a departure for them and it's such a fun song. That's even got a little, little bop to it. Little Bob.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. You could sample that.

[Peter]

Yeah, I wouldn't. I, I, I'm.

[Alan]

He's good.

[Peter]

My, I'm good. My two favorite Zeppelin songs are, are Going to California and that's the way Those are my 2 favorite.

[Don Hahn]

Going to California's a good one.

[Alan]

Matt on the Upper east side thinks he has a hip hop song.

[Peter]

Oh, hey.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Alan]

What do you got?

[Moose]

Yeah, that was. Yeah, I got a phone for you. What about Hypnotized by Biggie?

[Peter]

Well, I don't think anyone would ever say it's like the hands down great. Like it's not it would ever be number one on the list. But I do agree that it's a universally loved song that makes some people go, oh, okay. Although I always really like it once.

[Moose]

You, once you hear it again, you're like, oh, damn. This song is actually pretty fire.

[Peter]

That's how I feel too. I know some people are just like, still are sick of Hypnotized. I feel like that's mostly because of the chorus. I feel like the Biggie. Biggie, Biggie. Can't you see? It just annoys people.

[Don Hahn]

It just.

[Peter]

But like, I just think the Herb Alpert sample, it's just a great beat to me. And Biggie's big. Completely good call, though. I don't hate that as a choice.

[Don Hahn]

So AI tells me, okay, that Stairway to Heaven is a complex allegorical song about a materialistic woman trying to secure her place in heaven, though her wealth rather through her wealth rather than spiritual growth.

[Alan]

Interesting.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. So it's, it's, it's living the wrong way and thinking that that's going to get you there.

[Alan]

It's, it's. There's a lot going on. That's all. But this is gonna, this is one of the greatest undertakings I've ever had. If I decide to do it this.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, wait, you might feel it's, it's too heavy lifting in the middle of a season. I mean, you're in a break. This might be just what you need.

[Alan]

I am going to get absolutely. What?

[Don Hahn]

I'll get hammered with you.

[Peter]

We love getting hammered.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, let's do it. Tully time.

[Alan]

Let's go to Lawrence he's way down in South Florida. What's the temperature in South Florida these days, Lawrence?

[Moose]

Today finally got hot again. It's about 85 degrees today.

[Peter]

That's nice.

[Alan]

All right.

[Moose]

It was cold. It was cold, though. The last couple weeks, it's been as low as 30 degrees.

[Alan]

And that's not right in Florida.

[Moose]

No. I hated it.

[Alan]

So, what do you got?

[Moose]

I wanted to bring up. I wanted to ask Alan how he felt about maybe the jets going after Jameis Winston. I think he still has it.

[Don Hahn]

I don't hate it. I don't know if he's available.

[Alan]

Yeah, I don't know why.

[Don Hahn]

I think Harbaugh made it pretty clear that he loves him and he probably wants to keep him around.

[Alan]

As a Giant fan, I wouldn't mind him backing up Dart.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, he's getting it with Dart, and you never know. You know, you want to make sure you have somebody who's capable and they love him in the room and all that stuff. Like, I wouldn't want. If I'm the Giants. I wouldn't want to let him go, but I wouldn't hate it. I mean, again, you can do worse. Then bring in somebody that's the eternal optimist. If the jets need anything, it's that guy. Imagine if the jets could even break him and his eternal optimism.

[Alan]

Well, if there's a team that can do it, I think it's the Jets.

[Peter]

Oh, for sure.

[Alan]

I don't want to steal anything from enn. Okay, but do you have any Olympics in enn?

[Peter]

Well, we love Donna. You know, one thing about me, I love the Olympics. I'm locked in. In every single way. Go ahead. You're fine.

[Alan]

I'll just. How terrible that Lindsey Vaughn.

[Peter]

Oh, no, we know what we. You know, one second. That. Don't steal. We should talk about it, shouldn't we?

[Don Hahn]

We should.

[Alan]

That's.

[Peter]

I meant. I meant to give her the button today on. On the air, and I didn't. I forgot.

[Don Hahn]

Excuse me.

[Peter]

Congratulations. You played yourself. I mean, listen, it's.

[Alan]

I still feel bad.

[Peter]

No, me, too. Sometimes the ultimate. Sometimes you give people, congratulations, you played yourself, and you feel terrible doing it, but you go, how can you not?

[Don Hahn]

Well, nature is. Was saying. No, no, you're done. Mean it.

[Alan]

She's like ACL shmacl in a loud, loud way. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don, Han and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don, Allen and Peter. Weekday afternoon, starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.