Hour 3: The Mets Are Done

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg: "Hour 3: The Mets Are Done"

Date: September 15, 2025
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Summary by Segment with Timestamps

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Episode Overview

In this hour, the hosts delve into the fractious state of New York baseball—especially the Mets—debating fan expectations, mediocrity, and the agony of perennial underachievement. The conversation rolls into the Giants’ and Jets’ confounding football seasons, transitions to fatherhood moments and fandom legacy, and closes with spirited debates about game strategy, coaching, and even some parenting in NYC playgrounds.

Tone: Classic Northeast sports radio—passionate, disappointed, comedic, and brutally honest.

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1. Mets Meltdown & Fan Frustration

[00:43–08:51]

Key Points:

• The Mets’ latest collapse and the emotional fallout.
• The “miracle” culture and why Don is fed up with it.
• Critique of playoff chances: “The Mets are not good. Stop having the conversation about a run.”
• Frustration with celebrating a walk-off win amid an 8-game losing streak.
• The hosts’ desire for a dominant, not “miraculous,” Mets team.

Notable Quotes:

• Don Hahn [01:56]: "The Mets are not good. So can we stop having the conversation? I'm sick and tired of the damn conversation. Maybe we'll make a run. Stop it. You're not a good baseball team, all right?"
• Don Hahn [04:01]: "I'm tired of the miracle. I'm tired of the Amazing moniker. The Miracle. You got to believe. It's all B. I'm tired of it."
• Don Hahn [04:27]: "Even in ’86 when they were actually dominant, they still had to pull it out of the rectum like 17 times to finally win!"
• Rosenberg [08:12]: "That's the appeal. It's always been the appeal of the Mets," (on the team’s ability to never be fully out of it, frustrating as it is.)

Memorable Moment:

• Don’s impassioned rant against "You gotta believe" and the little-engine-that-could identity, wishing for the “Dynastic Mets.”
• [04:23] Don: "Can it ever be something else? How about the dominant Mets? How about the really good Mets?"

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2. Emotional Labor of Fandom & Family

[08:51–13:23]

Key Points:

• Being a sports fan in New York means enduring false hope and moral victories, not championships.
• Passing down fandom: Don’s son Marco becomes invested in Giants games.
• The tension of raising a kid in mixed-fan friendship circles (fear of Marco “going Eagles” for less homework).
• How childhood moments watching games with parents shape lifelong fandom.

Notable Quotes:

• Don Hahn [10:39]: "It was a great moment for me yesterday. My son’s watching the game with me... He wanted to go out and play football. This is a baseball kid."
• Rosenberg [12:23]: "Apples and trees, man. Like, he sees dad. And that’s what I’m gonna be."

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3. Parenthood: NYC Playground Edition

[13:23–18:49]

Key Points:

• Allen shares stories about his 8-month-old daughter Maya’s first trip to the park, including shoe logistics and playground etiquette.
• Discussion about judging other parents—“big kids” hogging baby swings.
• Parenting around safety: warnings about young kids going down slides incorrectly and common playground injuries.
• The challenge of navigating parent-to-parent social interactions.

Notable Quotes:

• Allen [15:41]: "I'm already here to judge. This is the moment that you go, 'Honey, no, there’s a little baby there. The little baby should use this.'"
• Rosenberg [18:13]: “Kids break their legs all the time going down a little bit—like, little ones.”
• Allen [18:51]: "Figuring out how to interact with other parents is going to be a lot. That's not fun because you're dealing with strangers again."

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4. Giants & Coach Dilemma: Play-calling and Frustration

[19:01–24:20]

Key Points:

• Caller critiques Giants’ coaching: not running enough, poor clock management, soft defenses late in games.
• Don and Rosenberg discuss end-of-game decision making and the burden on coaches and QBs.
• Frustration over Giants’ inability to deliver in "winning time."
• Brief praise for wide receiver Malik Nabers' performance.

Notable Quotes:

• Caller [19:42]: "The biggest problem with this team is how can you have this much talent on defense and stink as bad as...what are you doing at the end of the game dropping guys back in coverage?"
• Don Hahn [20:56]: "When it came winning time, that's the problem."
• Allen [24:20]: "Malik Nabers is him. Yeah. And that's why when he went in the first round..."

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5. Yankees Roundup & Changing of the Guard

[25:12–28:33]

Key Points:

• Yankees’ series recap: Tipping pitches and rookie Warren’s struggles.
• Shift at shortstop from Volpe to Caballero—future implications for roster.
• Prospects and the "next big thing" syndrome in the Yankees organization.
• The inevitable cycle: Each “next” prospect has a brief stint of hope, then is replaced.

Notable Quotes:

• Don Hahn [26:25]: "Caballero is going to be your starting shortstop for the foreseeable future."
• Rosenberg [26:29]: "It'd be interesting to see if they move on from Volpe in the off season..."
• Allen [27:49]: "Whoever the next one is, hopefully won't be the Martian. The next young..."

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6. Callers on Coaching & Giants' Crunch-Time Choices

[28:33–39:58]

Key Points:

• Callers reflect on the Mets’ history (quirkiness, perpetual underdog).
• Giants: Is Coach Brian Daboll done? He reportedly sounds defeated.
• Deep dive into Giants’ decision to kick or go for two late in game—Hosts debate analytics, risk, new NFL overtime rules, and kicker abilities.
• General laws of modern football: Coaches can be completely undone by singular moments.

Notable Quotes:

• Caller [29:39]: "He sounded like a man who knew he was going to be fired by the end of the season."
• Allen [33:44]: "It's 25 seconds. There's no way you're giving that point up. Take the point, right?"
• Don Hahn [35:06]: "With three timeouts and 25 seconds left, with a guy that’s got a leg that can kick a 70 yard field goal, I can somewhat wrap my mind around going for two, but because I’m guaranteed a possession in overtime, why do it?"

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7. The Kicking Era & Analytics in NFL Strategy

[37:32–47:22]

Key Points:

• The 2020s: Era of long field goals—percentage of 60+ yard FGs made now dwarfs Hail Mary success.
• Analytics now push coaches to try unprecedented kicks rather than Hail Mary passes.
• The athletic leaps in the NFL: QBs & kickers now regularly make throws and kicks once thought impossible.

Notable Quotes:

• Rosenberg [44:24]: "Since 2009, 193 Hail Marys were attempted...16 ended up in a touchdown. That's 12%...But for 60+ yard field goals—34 were made out of 114. That's 27%.”
• Don Hahn [46:43]: "The greatest quarterback in the world back when we were growing up would throw a ball like 70 yards and like dislocate his shoulder... The athletic ability—it’s completely changed.”

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8. Lighthearted Banter, Pop Culture & Sign Off

[47:35–end]

Key Points:

• The phrase “full frontal” and whether it’s appropriate for describing a radio show, leading to jokes about The Full Monty and hypothetical podcast nudity.
• Playful debate about who would pay to see the hosts naked.
• Final plugs for upcoming shows and station events.

Notable Quotes:

• Don Hahn [47:55]: "When people say the term full frontal, do they ever use it about anything except generally full frontal nudity?"
• Allen [48:25]: "You think there'd be women out there that would pay to see us naked?"
• Don Hahn [48:36]: "We can entertain in other ways, right?"

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Takeaways

• The hosts’ longing for legitimacy for the Mets echoes through all NY sports frustrations—“stop selling us hope, give us quality.”
• Parenting and sports are deeply intertwined, both as sources of joy and disillusionment.
• The evolution of sports analytics and athlete capabilities are forcing coaches—and fans—to rethink risk and reward, whether it’s field goals, Hail Marys, or how to raise “good” fans in New York.

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For listeners who missed it:
You’ll get a thorough, entertaining run through the emotional rollercoaster of modern New York fandom, flavored with personal stories, analytical debates, and classic sports radio humor. Whether you’re a lifetime Mets sufferer, a Giants optimist, or struggling to navigate baby swings at the playground, this hour delivers both empathy and catharsis.

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Quick Reference Timestamps:

• [00:43] – Mets Rant Begins
• [04:01] – Don’s “tired of miracle” declaration
• [10:39] – Don’s bonding moment with son
• [15:41] – Playground parenting
• [20:56] – Coaching critique, Giants
• [24:20] – "Malik Nabers is him."
• [26:25] – Yankees’ shortstop shakeup
• [33:44] – Giants field goal/two-point debate
• [44:24] – Field goal vs. Hail Mary stats
• [47:55] – “Full frontal” comedy sequence

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

5:00 clock in the big city. Don Hahn and Rosenberg with you until seven. So much to discuss. Big five o' clock hour. Probably just getting out of work. Wanting to talk about really could be anything. The jets no show against the Buffalo Bills. And hey, hey, you know, I even, I brought it up on Friday that we get caught up on how well the jets play the Bills and they do because you have zero expectations. That's the fourth consecutive cover for the Bills against the jets, by the way. So it's not like the jets have the Bills number, it's just that they do play them better than you expect. But not yesterday. Completely blown out. Giants are entertaining, but at the end of the day, still don't win against the Dallas Cowboys. And there's so many things to dissect from that. Mets dropped two out of three in the most gut wrenching ways you could possibly do it. And then, I don't know, jumping up and down Alonzo at the game winning homer, I was like, I was disgusted.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, it's a walk off.

[Don Hahn]

No, I just, I hate them.

[Rosenberg]

You don't want to celebrate a walk off?

[Don Hahn]

No, I would walk off and just say, I can't believe I'm good.

[Rosenberg]

Like I said, just drop the bat.

[Don Hahn]

Exactly. You lost eight in a row, for God's sakes.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, they ended it.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Good. And the only reason you make the playoffs because the Giants stink. The Diamondback stink and the Red stink.

[Rosenberg]

Not so fast.

[Don Hahn]

No, no.

[Rosenberg]

Did you look at the standings?

[Don Hahn]

They stink.

[Rosenberg]

Did you look at the standings?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I looked at the standings.

[Caller]

And?

[Don Hahn]

And where are the Giants right now? The Giants are a game and a half back. Giant Mets have the tiebreaker. The Reds are a game and a half back. The Reds have the tiebreaker. The Diamondbacks are two back and they have the tiebreaker over the Mets. But you know what? The Mets are going to hold on and get clubbed by The Padres or the Dodgers? The Mets are not good. So can we stop having the conversation? I'm sick and tired of the damn conversation. Maybe we'll make a run. Stop it. You're not a good baseball team, all right? You can't hold leads, the bullpen stinks. You can't hit in a big situation and you blew a 2 nothing lead yesterday. Then Alonzo hits a walk off home run and then you're ripping the shirt off. Joe, stop it. I was disgusted by. I understand what you say. What else are you supposed to do? You're a ballplayer. It's a walk off. Yeah, but you've embarrassed yourself. You've taken a huge step back.

[Allen]

I love this team.

[Don Hahn]

All right. Shake hands. High five. Get off the damn field. All right. It's a joke. This franchise is a damn joke. But they're gonna make the playoffs. Because baseball honors average. The Mets are four games above.530. They've got the inside track being the third wild card. Yippee. The Diamondbacks are a game under and are only two back. Whippy.

[Allen]

God and Don. And don't forget, had it not been for the start of the season, we wouldn't even having a playoff conversation.

[Don Hahn]

It stopped.

[Allen]

So you I respect.

[Rosenberg]

All right? Are you on this day taking the fork and sticking it in the Mets right now?

[Don Hahn]

I can't. I can't.

[Rosenberg]

You just did.

[Don Hahn]

No, but, no, but I'm saying. Just say like and maybe they'll make a run now because if I stick a fork in them.

[Rosenberg]

Stick a fork. Do it.

[Don Hahn]

I'm just telling you. I'm not telling you what to do. I'm still going to watch every game. I don't believe in him. But what if you could choose? I don't believe in them. Okay, stop it.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

You could choose.

[Rosenberg]

That's it.

[Allen]

If you could choose right now, lose out, you take it. Are you there yet?

[Rosenberg]

You're getting a buyout on the season. Do you take the buyout?

[Don Hahn]

Well, what do I get for the buyout?

[Rosenberg]

You get to walk away.

[Allen]

You get to worry. You get to not even play the game.

[Rosenberg]

You don't have to care. You can lose.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Rosenberg]

You are not obligated to watch anything.

[Don Hahn]

No, because I enjoy. Watch. How do you enjoy watching this? No, no.

[Allen]

Even when they win by miserable with the.

[Don Hahn]

It just, I, I, I just, I just get disgusted with the whole you got to believe garbage. I'm tired of. I've said this so many times. I'm tired of the miracle. I'm tired of the Amazing moniker. The Miracle. You got to believe. It's all B. I'm tired of it. I want to build a team that's actually moving in the damn right direction instead of all this, yippee, maybe they.

[Rosenberg]

Were 11 years old as a franchise back then. They'll get mad at Tug McGraw.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not getting mad at Tug. They don't have. They are. That's all they've ever been. And the one time they were actually dominant in 86, they still had to pull it out of the rectum like, 17 times to finally win. When can they ever just be really good? You got a $350 million payroll. You went out and acquired one of the best players in baseball. You got an owner that's sitting on $16 billion. And we're still the Little Engine that could. We're still. You gotta believe. Come on. September to remember. Amazing. The amazing, amazing Mets. Can it ever be something else? How about the dominant Mets? How about the really good Mets? How about the fantastic Mets? How about the best team of baseball?

[Rosenberg]

Mets. The Dynastic Mets.

[Don Hahn]

Tired of always being the underdog. But that's. Tired of it.

[Rosenberg]

That's.

[Don Hahn]

Do what you want. I'm still gonna watch the games because I grew up watching the games. It's my team. But I'm just sick and tired of it always being about the miracle. It's always about the Hail Mary. It's like I'm watching Miracle every baseball season. Maybe we'll beat the Russians. Hey, it's our time. It's our time. I'm tired of our. It's our time.

[Allen]

I like this, Don.

[Don Hahn]

Do you understand why this is why.

[Rosenberg]

I encourage you to cash out. Cash out.

[Don Hahn]

I don't. Because that's. What do I get for cashing out? Because I'm still gonna. I'm the guy that goes to Morbid Doc. Whatever it is, the. That website. I'm the one that's got to see it because I'm a sadist. I gotta watch it. I gotta see what it looks like. Oh, and I also have a talk show. I'd like to see the team win. And I'm not saying that they could go on, because that's how baseball is, Susan. But I'm just tired of it always being about that. Let's get an owner that's sitting on $16 billion. Let's get the best player in baseball. And it's still. You gotta believe. Yo, Tug McGraw smacking his thigh.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, we can do it. It's always about the grimace or hock to a. Or some stupid yo yo thing that's gonna turn it around. I'm just sick of it. Don't. Oh, don't you get bored of it, Matt fans. Don't you get sick to your stomach oven.

[Rosenberg]

Don's the guy that goes to the wake and if it's a closed casket, he's like, come on, open it up. I don't believe it.

[Allen]

I want to take a look, but.

[Rosenberg]

I don't believe it. I don't believe he's going to open it.

[Don Hahn]

That was really. No, no.

[Rosenberg]

You're that guy. I need to see it. You know what's coming.

[Allen]

Well, no.

[Don Hahn]

You know what's coming.

[Allen]

No, but it's. It's.

[Rosenberg]

You know what's coming.

[Allen]

But you can't, as a fan choose nothing over some level of a chance. You can't.

[Rosenberg]

I'm with if you know what's coming.

[Allen]

But you don't. He says he knows, but he doesn't.

[Rosenberg]

And we know what's coming.

[Allen]

They're a weird team though, man. They're a weird team.

[Rosenberg]

So you mean there is that miracle thing because. Right, but that's. See, but that's my point though is you're mad about something that makes them attractive to you.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, just it's my team because that's exact.

[Rosenberg]

But that's exactly it about them is. They never are all out of it. There's always something that happens.

[Don Hahn]

Tired of that. It shouldn't be about. It's all you got. If I'm the Reds. If I'm the Diamondbacks, then it could be about that. But I've got the. The highest payroll in baseball. I want to acquire the one of the best players in baseball. And we take a step back. Last year it was fun. It was out of nowhere then. It was supposed to be okay. Now let's win this division. The Phillies. They lost yesterday. The Phillies magic number's down to one. They're gonna clinch the division in the middle of September.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You had a five and a half game lead. Now you're a dozen games out. Woody, don't you see?

[Rosenberg]

I do see. I know exactly what this is. But it's also to me, that's the appeal. It's always been the appeal of the Mets. No, I don't want it at the worst time.

[Don Hahn]

I don't want it to be the appeal of the Mets.

[Rosenberg]

Well, you don't have a ch.

[Don Hahn]

That's what I don't want to be. The ugly duckling that turns into a swan.

[Rosenberg]

Okay, well, like I Said your option.

[Don Hahn]

Is I don't want to know. But no, but that's no option.

[Rosenberg]

Is.

[Don Hahn]

Well, how is that complaining about something that you know I have the right to complain about it as a fan, that I'm tired of settling for this. And the fans that don't know any better all get sucked in because I see them on social media. Oh, this is the turnaround. This is the turning point. Hey, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I'm still going to watch. It's still my team. But it sickens me that they still end up being the little girl with the curl, even though they're supposed to be the dominant team in this sport.

[Rosenberg]

And that's.

[Don Hahn]

Stop it.

[Rosenberg]

And that's exactly what the jets fans just went through in the last week. That same thing, the moral victory, the loss that was somehow a win. The getting drunk on hope to a point where you're just. You were set up for it. Walking into a game against the Bills. It's the same thing. For whatever reason, that's how people fan here in this town.

[Don Hahn]

Well, because there isn't a lot of.

[Rosenberg]

Winning that goes on.

[Don Hahn]

But you could still complain about it when it happens, just like Yankee fans could complain. What did you always say? Well, hey, at least you're making the playoffs every year. At least you're over.500 every year because you want to be. Be what you're supposed to be. You have the New York Yankees, you got the third highest payroll in baseball. You've got one of the best players in the game and. And that you're not going to settle for just being a wild card team. You're not going to see. You said how it looks. Well, how does it look when you're the Mets who went almost as far as the Yankees did last year. We both lost to the same team, right?

[Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

If the Mets were in the American League, they would have gone to the World Series and lost to the Dodge and they would have lost in six instead of five. But my team takes a step back.

[Rosenberg]

The difference is history shows me a standard that I'm trying to hold the team up to that I know is moot now, Right. History shows you what you don't like. That's who they are.

[Don Hahn]

I'm telling you, I'm tired of it all. I get it because that's how it's supposed to change. It was supposed to be different.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And maybe it will be over time, but right now it just. It's infuriating. Just as I get as the Giants loss was Infuriating yesterday. As much as you saw progress, as much as it was enjoyable to watch, at the end of the day, it's still a loss to the Cowboys. And now you got to sit there. Even though I didn't have any expectations for the season, it's a. It's 02 again. It's. 02 in the division again.

[Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

And it's like, what is this season going to ultimately be? And it's frustrating. And. And I told you, listen, it was a great moment for me yesterday. My son's watching the game with me and he's totally invested in watching the Giants and he's jumping up and down when they score the touchdown and he's asking me questions and I'm getting a chance to teach him the game.

[Rosenberg]

Now explain to everybody listening who might not have heard why this is significant for you for seven year old Marco.

[Don Hahn]

Because Marco's teacher gives him no homework when the Eagles win. His best friend is an Eagles fan.

[Allen]

Yeah, everyone.

[Don Hahn]

Giants stinking the Eagles.

[Rosenberg]

So you're afraid you might.

[Don Hahn]

I'm afraid he might be an Eagle fan.

[Allen]

Yeah, it's, it's teetering.

[Don Hahn]

But, but you remember the game that was the, the game we didn't see at the start. The Chiefs Eagles were the game after the Giants and the cow. And they're promoting it and they're going right to it. I'm like, Marco, the Eagles are coming on and he's watching it. And then when the game was over, he didn't want to watch the Eagles and Chiefs. He wanted to go outside and play football. Yes, he grabbed the football and he wanted to go out and play because now he's excited about football because he hasn't had anything to get excited about in his memory. Hasn't been good. So we went out, we threw the football.

[Rosenberg]

He did.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Allen]

And can you imagine, can you imagine if you'd made the mistake for some reason having him watch the jets game? It would have been the opposite. Can we do watercolors?

[Don Hahn]

What can I do?

[Allen]

That's not this stupid.

[Don Hahn]

Why the Giants, Dad? Why? He was asking me before against the Commanders, but now he was excited and he was disappointed at the same time that they lost the game. But he excited about football, wanted to go out there and play football. This is a baseball kid. He wanted to go out there and play football. Now what he wanted to do, he's like, that takes a ball and then. And he goes, then you tackle me. I'm like, listen, I can't catch you. I got arthritis in my knees. And if I did catch you, it wouldn't be good for either of us. So we tried to make. He was hiking it. To me, it was really a cool moment because that's like what I went through with my dad. My dad teaching me the game during bad Giants football and my dad being frustrated with the Giants losing and me being excited because the game was fun, you know, like, because I didn't know any better.

[Rosenberg]

When you were watching with Marco.

[Don Hahn]

Did.

[Rosenberg]

You react to plays?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I was.

[Rosenberg]

Were you into it? So he saw passion out of you?

[Don Hahn]

I was close.

[Rosenberg]

That's a big part of this.

[Don Hahn]

It's. This is how it started.

[Allen]

Peter, go ahead.

[Don Hahn]

So they sacked Prescott. And I'm like. And then he starts doing the same thing. And then he's jumping up and down. I'm.

[Allen]

Wait. Immediately doing your fast clap?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that's the fast clap. I haven't had the. That's been a while since I've done the fast clap.

[Allen]

Yeah, I mean, I see it all the time and, you know, hey, shows off at 6:00 today. You know, I mean, there's different things.

[Don Hahn]

From a football perspective. You haven't seen it in a long time.

[Allen]

He immediately then does it picks up on it.

[Don Hahn]

The fast clap. Yeah, just like all the things he's doing.

[Rosenberg]

Apples and trees, man. Like, he's. He sees dad. And that's like. That's what I'm gonna be.

[Allen]

By the way, Maya is eight months old today.

[Don Hahn]

Okay. That's been eight months.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. It's amazing.

[Allen]

Eight months old, fast. And she already has a. She already has a lot of her dad's personality. It's. It's so funny every the. I mean, the zest for life that this kid. I mean, young, her dad. Because I now am a person who, you know, I'm not happy all the time, though. I'm generally fairly upbeat. But, dude, every morning, man, when I.

[Rosenberg]

Wake this kid up, it is just like happy.

[Allen]

Oh, my God, the legs shaking. Where are we going? What are we doing? I mean, she is just. I mean, it's the best.

[Rosenberg]

Dude, get my J's on. Dad. Let's go.

[Don Hahn]

We got Uncle Allen's.

[Allen]

Jordan's got Worn this weekend.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, really?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that's. I didn't notice that.

[Rosenberg]

We got these to grow into. And now she's into.

[Allen]

By the way, legitimately, it was her first time out wearing shoes. Every other pair of shoes that have existed. There have been a couple so far. She missed the. We didn't even get to put them on the feet before they Were outgrown. And I saw.

[Don Hahn]

That's the frustrating.

[Allen]

So I saw that she had an outfit that was pink, and I went, oh, hold on. Rip the box. I think I can get these on now. A bit of a battle to keep them on the feet because there was a lot of the untying, pulling the laces, eating the laces, trying to kick the shoes off. But we got our pictures taken, and she got to roll out to Central park wearing some fresh Js.

[Rosenberg]

Wait till she starts toddling around. Then we get. Then we get the good ones there.

[Allen]

Exactly.

[Rosenberg]

You start getting the ones that slip on.

[Allen]

Right. That's the next level. Next level.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

They got.

[Rosenberg]

He's.

[Don Hahn]

Marco's got the. The ones that you. You pull out, and then you.

[Caller]

You.

[Don Hahn]

You could tighten, like, the little wheel and push them back in. You see those?

[Allen]

Oh, wait, really?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, Those are tremendous.

[Allen]

You could put roller. You could put wheels on the shoe.

[Don Hahn]

Not.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, they have those, too.

[Don Hahn]

How you tighten the shoe?

[Allen]

How do you.

[Rosenberg]

He's talking about a tightening from the back.

[Allen]

Oh, without the laces?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Well, it's. It's got, like, laces inside, and you. You pull this wheel out, and then you can tighten it up, and then you put it. You pop it back in.

[Allen]

It tightens instead of, like, regular laces.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Allen]

And also, guys, you'll be happy to know I already had the quintessential Maya went to the park for the first time, and I'm like a park, like a playground. And the first time we attempted to do one thing on the playground, I already got a taste of what I'm setting up for. For the next many years of judging other people's parenting.

[Rosenberg]

Uh oh.

[Allen]

We walk over to the. Natalie. The one thing she wants to do with her, she goes, I'd really like her to do a swing for the first time. So, you know, there's the tiny swing. It's higher up, and it has the loop. It has the space for legs to go under so little tiny kids can put their legs through.

[Rosenberg]

And I like that. Let me guess. Big kid was in there.

[Allen]

The big kid's not in it yet. The big kid is holding one with one hand.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Allen]

And holding the other one for a friend with the other hand. So Natalie says, hey, could we use one of the swings? And the kid's just going to be what a kid's going to be. No, I'm saving this. This kid's maybe 7 years old. This is a swing that my guess would be is meant to be up to about three I'd say, yeah, but he's saving it. Okay. Kids are dumb, but the parents are watching. And the parents then come over and lift their 75 pound children. Then they can barely get up because they're too big to squeeze them into the swing that they don't fit in.

[Rosenberg]

Where's the other swings?

[Allen]

While watching us stand there knowing, well, no, no, this is the moment. And I'm sorry, I know I've barely parented. I'm already here to judge. This is the moment that you go, honey, honey, no, there's a little baby there. The little baby should use this baby go for a man baby should go in the swing.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Allen]

Either there's another swing or height.

[Rosenberg]

There had to have been another set of swings that are for bigger kids.

[Don Hahn]

Of course there was.

[Allen]

Of course there was. But the parents, you know, they don't want. The parents want to sit there and talk to their friends. They don't want to come in and go, no, the baby swing should be for babies.

[Rosenberg]

Not.

[Allen]

So anyways, I'm looking forward to getting to.

[Rosenberg]

You didn't want to say this is a baby swing, man. What are you doing?

[Allen]

I just put the baby in there. We just said, okay. We just walked path of least resistance. Went to another.

[Don Hahn]

See the kid. I don't want to.

[Allen]

I'm not.

[Don Hahn]

I don't want to see the dude.

[Rosenberg]

Is just say to him like this is a baby swing. You don't want this.

[Allen]

Another baby swing opened up and we got one in a few minutes. I'm new in the game. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not.

[Rosenberg]

No, no.

[Don Hahn]

I just.

[Rosenberg]

You chose the right way to go on a day where you don't want any, any issues grew up.

[Allen]

The one thing I remember as a child is my parents were very big on the. If. If your kids are doing something that is wrongly inconveniencing another younger kid, you always pull your kid aside and say, no, no, no.

[Rosenberg]

Right. Let the little kids the right thing to do.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Allen]

Like so do you just let the kids act like brats. What do we do? But I'm going to be dealing with this now for years to come and I'm excited.

[Rosenberg]

I thought because you know what? You got to be careful of going down a slide.

[Allen]

Oh, I, I was watching. A lot of our friends were there with the slide. So I was watching another Jordan is.

[Rosenberg]

Kids break their legs all the time going down a little bit like little ones.

[Allen]

I know. I, I was nervous with Gracie.

[Don Hahn]

What happened?

[Rosenberg]

He's in a cast because they were going down A slide together. But when you sit a kid, like, they can catch their leg at the wrong way and then you fold them and. Yeah, and it was like, you know, it's like soft fracture, but it's still a real thing. And you got to be. You got to be careful going down a slide with the kids.

[Allen]

It's a lot.

[Rosenberg]

You didn't know about this until that happened. It's like, oh, my God. And the doctor even said this is common.

[Don Hahn]

Use your set of mouth. It's a lot.

[Allen]

The whole thing's a lot.

[Don Hahn]

Sometimes I just wonder, like, what did I do?

[Allen]

Figuring out how to interact with other parents is going to be a lot. That's not fun because you're dealing with strangers again. You're kind of back to being like, yeah, like you're in school now.

[Don Hahn]

It's. It's a lot, but it's worth it. You hope anyway.

[Allen]

I think so.

[Don Hahn]

1-800-919-3776. Robbie in Lenox, Massachusetts. How are you, man? You're on Don Hanna Road.

[Caller]

Hey. Hey. What's going on, guys? Thanks for taking the call. Great show as always. You know, I wanted to talk first of all about the Giant. Give. Don. I was going to say, are you ready for Ranger season? I'm pretty close, so there's a way. The state of the. I was going to say if you're a Met fan and a Giant or jets fan. Thank God I'm a Yankee fan. But anyway, about the Giants. Look, I really, truly believe that the Giants had a better coaching staff. They would have won yesterday. Let's get to a couple things. Don, I totally agree with you. You got to kick the field goal there. You go up 16. Okay. To. Excuse me. You go up there 16 to 10, you force them to have to score a touchdown. In that case. And I'm sorry, Shane. Yeah, they did exactly right. Exactly. You knew that was going to happen, too. And look, but I want to talk about specifically a couple of plays. First of all, the problem with this coach, this head coach, they don't run the ball enough. Okay? You can't keep throwing the ball 50 million times. You also threw the ball overtime. How stupid. Run the ball. Have some kind of ideal about CL. Management is okay. This reminds me of Don Corell and the Chargers when I was a kid. Who are my second favorite team, okay. They used to try to score so fast that the defense would be on the field forever. So yesterday, I'm not taking anything away from Russell Wilson. Taking nothing away from him. And the line played generally Good. But I don't believe the Giants won the ball enough. And the biggest problem with this team is how can you have this much talent on defense and stink as bad as Shane Bowden. Shane Bowen does. I mean, what are you doing at the end of the game dropping guys back in coverage? He plays prevention. That's so dumb. Go after him. We all know about Dak Prescott. We know when guys get in his face, he has trouble. How about like it was Steve Spagnola or even Perry Feudal or even Wink Martindale. Remember that guy? Okay. If it was those two guys, they would have found some kind of blitz or some kind of package, whether it was safety or quarter, to show Dak Prescott how you lose that game. I know, but 25 seconds.

[Don Hahn]

The frustrating thing is you're right, but they got two stops in overtime, right? So. And that's how difficult that is to do. They got the two stops and like you said, why not run the football in second and third? But I get. They were having so much success and they're trying to get rid. They're trying to take advantage of that shredded secondary and all that, but it just. When it came winning time, that's the problem. That's why it comes down to coaching. When it comes to winning time, they didn't do it. It's the same like with the jets last week. And thanks for the phone call. The jets were able to run the football until they had to run the football in that second to last possession to put the game away. Couldn't do it. Three and out. They give the ball back to Rogers and Rogers, listen, it was a long field goal, but, you know, gave him the ball back. And then when they had to pass the ball, they couldn't when they were trying to get back in the field goal range. Same with the Giants. A lot of good things happened, but when it came winning time to get that one stop, when it came winning time to get in the field goal range after he got the ball a third time in overtime, you know, you couldn't do it because it was winning time. And that's something the Giants don't do.

[Rosenberg]

Don, you're not in that game without Russell Wilson. You, you, you lose that game because of Russell Wilson.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Rosenberg]

That's.

[Allen]

That's the thing.

[Rosenberg]

We could say a lot about Brian Dable, but Brian Dable is not the reason why Russell Wilson threw that ball. Russell Wilson wanted to throw that ball. That was hero ball. That was him. He was hot and he wanted to throw one more haymaker to win the game. And he looked at that moment that was for the win, remember? Like that's where they were at that. At that point. It was next, next score wins. And he threw that one up, hoping that he'd have one more piece of magic because there were some unbelievable throws that he made in that fourth quarter.

[Don Hahn]

No, he was.

[Rosenberg]

And I. That's not Brian Dable. I can't say a different coach wins this game. And you can't say a different quarterback wins the game because a different quarterback might even be in that game.

[Don Hahn]

He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because of his history.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

So if a caller wants to say, hey, they should have settled the three, I understand. There's. It's easy.

[Rosenberg]

The three did nothing scored to make it 17 and 17, 16. What's the difference?

[Don Hahn]

And listen, that's a good Cowboys offense, but you know, you get shredded for 40 points. I mean, it took a fifth quarter to be able to get to the 40, but still it's. It's a lot of points to have.

[Rosenberg]

To give a lot more about that defense.

[Don Hahn]

You know, they needed. And they've been exhausted for a different reason. They were exhausted, I think, at the end of the game against the Commanders because they got zero offensive support. And then they were exhausted at the end of the game yesterday because the Giants were scoring so quickly that they had to go back on the field right away. And they look like a spent defense. That's why I was so proud that they got the stops they did in overtime because you could see they were sucking wind at some point.

[Rosenberg]

You know, fantastic in the one. That one play. But again, you got to remind yourself they got. They overtime was forced because of a 64 yard field goal.

[Don Hahn]

It is correct.

[Rosenberg]

Overtime was forced over that. That's. That's not something that you expect.

[Allen]

Let's. One piece that we've sort of haven't even talked about, by the way. I think it was last week sometime we talked about neighbors and I think I use the word. I still believe it's on the table. He's a generational talent.

[Don Hahn]

Add, add.

[Allen]

Add yesterday to another. Another check on the docket.

[Rosenberg]

That first catch in the end zone, the back of the end zone.

[Allen]

Almost 170 yards, 2 tds. I know. Listen, Robinson's good.

[Don Hahn]

No, but that's nice to have. Yeah. No, but it's Malik neighbors. They have some Malik neighbors.

[Allen]

Is him.

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Allen]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcast.

[Don Hahn]

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[Allen]

It's Tolly time.

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

I think he was tipping that first.

[Don Hahn]

He must have been. They even said it during the broadcast like this. This seems like tipping everything they did like.

[Rosenberg]

And it wasn't like they hit everything hard. There was a couple.

[Don Hahn]

Well, the one home, the host, the home run six. Nothing was big.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. And there was one off the wall, but there was a couple like just seeing eye ground balls. I got through like, you know, like they were just placing them well, but it seemed like they were able to make contact on just about everything he was throwing. And then he settled down, which is, you know, he's been good, by the way, 31 starts for him this season.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, pretty good, right?

[Rosenberg]

That's wild for a rookie that you didn't think was a big boy.

[Don Hahn]

Numbers right there. Now Caballero's back in the lineup. And why not? I mean, listen, I don't. I like Volpe, but the kid can field. He hit, had a home run last night. I don't want to say it's the end of the Volpe era, but the door is now open towards him.

[Rosenberg]

No, no, no, no.

[Don Hahn]

Caballero is going to be your starting shortcut for the foreseeable future.

[Rosenberg]

I think you can say it.

[Don Hahn]

And he's got a year left on his another year after this right.

[Rosenberg]

I think it'd be interesting to see if they move on from Volpe in the off season, but also from last night, something that, as you would say, that's not nothing. Judge homering off of crochet. That's not nothing.

[Don Hahn]

That's not nothing because he, he looked.

[Rosenberg]

Foolish in the first two at bat. Struck out like he was a mess.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you got overpowered that second.

[Rosenberg]

Yes. But that third at bat where he, he was sitting on the breaking ball and he crushed it. That's again foreshadow to what's inevitable.

[Don Hahn]

Yankees, Red Sox, I don't think because The Yankees are 4 back, which essentially is 5 back, because Toronto has got the tiebreaker with 13 left, it would really take another collapse from Toronto to win the division.

[Rosenberg]

Toronto's got Boston for three, which again, that doesn't really help the Yankees either way. Right. One way or another, somebody's gaining. Then they have Kansas City, but then they got seven against the Rays.

[Don Hahn]

So starting tonight, you know, like, like.

[Rosenberg]

The seven get of their last 13.

[Don Hahn]

Against Yankees have an easy schedule the rest of the way. They got the Twins here, they got a lot of the Orioles, you know, so they're going to be in good shape. But I, I, I think the, either, either the Caballero era or the ERA without Volpe has begun.

[Allen]

Oh, boy.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but Peter, what are you gonna do?

[Allen]

Why do I feel like this guy's happening?

[Don Hahn]

Blah, blah.

[Allen]

But it's someone you're excited about and.

[Rosenberg]

Then it's like labor, Gary. Like it's always, it's every two years.

[Allen]

Whoever the next one is, hopefully won't be the Martian.

[Rosenberg]

The next young. Well, by the way, you, when last time you saw him in a regular basis, you don't, you know, they don't.

[Don Hahn]

Play all these guys with the exception of a judge. Right. Like they all come highly tattered. Still waiting on Jones. Dominguez has had his history, injury history.

[Rosenberg]

Junior is the next one. Because if Volpe's out.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Caballero has a year left.

[Don Hahn]

He's only 20. Right.

[Rosenberg]

But I'm saying Caballero has a year, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

So it does buy you another year. Now, now, either Lombard could show up at spring training like he did this year and really wow people. And you might think maybe he's ready sooner rather than later, or maybe he does the Jeter thing where it should give him a cup of coffee, but you wait a year and then see if he's ready to go when he's more like 21. And that buys you another Year. So be interesting.

[Don Hahn]

Let's jump back into the phone call Steve in Middle Village. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Steve?

[Caller]

Hey, Don. Gentlemen, thank you for taking the call. Appreciate it. Three quick things. First off, Don, your rant before. It's something that I think I mentioned to you guys when I called up. I was lucky enough to be in a few a few months ago that the Met's history has always been quirky. And everything that you said is my definition, or at least when I was thinking of quirky, is that, yeah, they're the little engine that could and all that other stuff.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it's enough.

[Caller]

And it's, you know, it's silly. And they granted they won the game yesterday, go out and try and win a few more games. And I got two other little points I want to make if you don't mind. The first is the day, the day ball press conference. I was driving around after the game and I heard hit. I didn't see him. I just heard what he said. He sounded like a man who knew he was going to be fired by the end of the season. I think, you know, emotionally, I think he's already gone.

[Don Hahn]

He's out of there.

[Caller]

He knows it's not going to be good and he's going to be away. That's just my take on it. I don't know about that. The second one I have, and it's a quick one. The way Kelsey is playing for Kansas City, he looks like he's already retired. Kind of like the same point. And I'll keep my mouth shut and.

[Don Hahn]

I'd love to hear, well, you know, we'll see. I don't know if he's got the weak legs because of the marriage pending marriage, but that's easy for people to say.

[Allen]

But I will say that from the beginning, from the first time I heard Dable talk this year, we've all felt he just sounds not resigned, but like he doesn't know what version of his personality to have anymore because the tough guy thing can't work.

[Don Hahn]

You said that like there's nobody to pick on, there's nobody to beat up like Daniel Jones in years past. But also if he realizes that it's going to take X amount of wins to save his job, while every one that slips through your fingers is another step towards you being out.

[Allen]

That's why that one yesterday is just right. Like the Commanders won. Whatever. You never really felt like you're going.

[Rosenberg]

To win that game, but you were in it.

[Allen]

You were in it but like at no point did fans go, we have this.

[Don Hahn]

But if you had beaten the Cowboys 1 and 1, you start thinking, all right, you go, you go.

[Allen]

We didn't get blown out by the Commanders. Then we beat the Cowboys. Now we got to play Kansas City. Whatever happens, happens.

[Rosenberg]

And they look bad, right?

[Allen]

So like it losing the way they did, that 64 yard feel, it just crushes you.

[Don Hahn]

And now you're probably the. Let's see if. You know, the Chargers beat up on the Raiders tonight. You know, now you're thinking, oh my God. Oh, and four. All right, maybe you beat the Saints, although that's not a given. It's on the road. Saints played pretty well yesterday and then a short turnaround against Philadelphia and now, now you're one in five and it's like, listen, it's starting to look like it's going to be another three, four win season. You're out the door and then the players turn on you and it just becomes a real ugly situation.

[Rosenberg]

So, well, it's the dart thing now that really is all that's left.

[Don Hahn]

Well then that then in that. But you also don't want, you want him to be ready not, hey, this is my last chance to save job and have this kid play out of his mind.

[Rosenberg]

You know, they're going to get to it eventually. They're going to move to it eventually. It's when they do it does then pique the interest. And it's really all he's got left as far as, if I can, if I can get this kid looking good, it bodes well for me because you don't want to change it up. You don't want to give him another head coach because we see it around the league and that slows the progress of a lot of young quarterbacks. Look at Trevor Lawrence, look at, look at Justin Fields, right? What he's been through other quarterbacks. So this, this allows you to buy time. So that's the one thing he's got left to hang on to, which is why he can't screw that up and he can't rush. He's got to do that the right way.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Kyle. Staten Island. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Kyle?

[Caller]

Hey, guys, just wanted to get, get your thoughts real quick on the Giants potentially going for two there when they went up 37, 34, 4 instead of taking the extra point and then playing as conservative as they did to give up the field goal. Obviously hindsight's, you know, a beautiful thing. No one Knew they were going to play as conservative as they did after they scored there. But at least if they go for two, your two options are if they make it, then Dallas needs a touchdown to score, or if they missed a two point conversion, then obviously you're not going to play as conservative to give up the field goal.

[Don Hahn]

True, but maybe if it's back to the old sudden death, lose the toss, kick a field goal, lose the game in overtime. I might think about it, Kyle. But now with the new rules where you're guaranteed a possession, I don't mind going overtime there. Right. I mean, it's not the end even if you give up the field goal. But if you go for two.

[Rosenberg]

So you're saying they kick a field.

[Don Hahn]

Goal, win the game in regulation, be like, why wouldn't I try to go to overtime?

[Rosenberg]

So you're saying 36, 34, you want to go for two.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. So that they need a touchdown to win the game.

[Rosenberg]

But if you don't make it, then.

[Don Hahn]

They, then that field goal wins the game.

[Rosenberg]

I can't fathom that decision that late in the game. No, well, you understand it was. How much time was left in the game at this point?

[Don Hahn]

25 seconds, something like that. But they had three timeouts.

[Rosenberg]

It's 25 seconds. There's no way you're giving that point up. Like you take the point, right? You know how people say take the point, take the point.

[Don Hahn]

But I can almost understand it.

[Rosenberg]

No, no, not in that, not in that situation.

[Don Hahn]

Because if you know that he's going, they're going to get in the field. There's the guy's got, the guy's got.

[Rosenberg]

A huge 25 seconds left.

[Don Hahn]

But they got three timeouts.

[Rosenberg]

It was three minutes to go, maybe five minutes and you can't stop them and you've had trouble stuff, I get it. But it's 25 seconds to go. Yeah, but take the points. You guarantee at worst, what happened?

[Don Hahn]

And that's why I don't give up.

[Rosenberg]

Anything over the top.

[Don Hahn]

That's why I don't do it. He made it. I can give up a touchdown. I'm going to get the ball back.

[Rosenberg]

Am I crazy?

[Don Hahn]

Why am I afraid? But let's just say for sake of argument, it's the old way. Lose the toss, kick the field goal, lose the game. You're not guaranteed a possession. And over you at least think about it. Because with three timeouts and 25 seconds left with a guy that's got a leg that can kick a 70 yard field goal, I can somewhat Maybe wrap my mind around the fact, let's go for the win. Because this guy's most likely going to get in the field goal range and kick the field goal to send us over to. But because I'm guaranteed a possession in overtime, why do it? So I wouldn't do it. Only if it was the old way would I even consider it. And even then I probably wouldn't do it. But Allen's saying 25 seconds. But with three timeouts, you can use the whole field. That's an eternity to get in the field.

[Rosenberg]

30 yard kickoff return was the killer.

[Don Hahn]

That's the.

[Rosenberg]

They threw one pass for 18 yards.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Well, that's it.

[Allen]

Because that, with it, with, with, with that kind of leg in this version of the NFL, you get a 30 yard return, it's basically a wrap you cannot have.

[Don Hahn]

Right. But he's saying if I, if I get the four point lead now they got to score a touchdown. But you're not great in the red zone. I wouldn't do it. But I don't think it's that crazy a thought if it's the old overtime rules. But now why am I afraid to go to overtime?

[Allen]

Yeah. Because you're going to get your shot anyway.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. So.

[Rosenberg]

And you've been just lighting them up. You were lighting them up at this point.

[Allen]

Now you've been lighting them up. But the funny part is you're still not lighting them up in the red zone.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but once the Giants got the ball back the way they were moving the football, once they got the ball, when they stopped the Cowboys and got the ball, I'm thinking the game's over. They got to just get in the field goal range. They've been, they've been mowing them down the entire second fourth quarter.

[Allen]

You're thinking Russ hits Robinson for 35.

[Don Hahn]

Yards and Gano's been good. Right. So.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, here's, here's a crazy stat on Aubrey, by the way. He's for total field goals made this, this season. He's six for six. Okay. He hasn't attempted one less than 40 yards.

[Allen]

That's crazy.

[Rosenberg]

Everything he's made is 40 yards or more. And, and half of them are 50 yards or more.

[Allen]

So. By the way, we could, the idea.

[Don Hahn]

We'Ve now got, you could say he's due.

[Rosenberg]

We can.

[Allen]

By the way, we've gotten now two calls on conspiracies about kicking.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Allen]

I will say this. I think it's absurd. Now if there was a team who had a kicker whose money from 60 plus and it literally led to them changing the way they play, where all they're doing is banging field goals all day long every day. Then we could start to have a conversation because it could affect the way you approach things.

[Rosenberg]

To me, if you know you can.

[Allen]

Get it every time you're there.

[Rosenberg]

It's the playoffs that I think would be the part that everybody would now start talking about it right up at a field goal.

[Allen]

Could be ever.

[Rosenberg]

And it's like, and it's just too, it's. These are chip shots now. These are too easy. It's too easy to get points. That's when you'd notice it when a game gets stupid at the end because it's a field goal contest. Right. Just get, just get to the 50 and we'll kick field goals. And that's when. And that's when it gets ridiculous.

[Allen]

So the line now that you could legitimately hope to get to and be good is the 49.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Allen]

Midfield, at some point it could be your 49.

[Rosenberg]

Still a 62 yarder.

[Allen]

I mean, imagine you're 49, you're 48.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, well, well, wait a minute.

[Allen]

From that one could have done from your 48 yesterday.

[Don Hahn]

From 50.

[Allen]

Yeah, it's 65.

[Don Hahn]

It's a, it's a 68 yard field goal because you got the 10 yards in the end zone and you go back seven.

[Allen]

Okay, so it's 68 from 50. So I guess from your own 48, it's 70.

[Don Hahn]

We already saw a 70 yard field goal in the preseason there. As hard as that is to believe, if you would when we were growing up. Midfield, you're doing a Hail Mary. They're attempting a 70 yard field goal that.

[Allen]

Well, if you have one of those.

[Rosenberg]

Feels like a Hail Mary.

[Allen]

If you have one of those guys, you're doing it.

[Don Hahn]

And by the percentages, would you say.

[Rosenberg]

The percentage I was going to ask for this guy.

[Allen]

If you have, if you, if you're.

[Don Hahn]

Dallas, if you're Dallas, the percentage is a way higher.

[Allen]

And where are you? And you're in Dallas.

[Don Hahn]

You're in Dallas. You're in Dallas or a dome or 50.

[Rosenberg]

And yeah, Minnesota, you're inside somewhere and there's. You're kicking four seconds left. It's fourth down or whatever it is. There's four seconds left.

[Allen]

Oh no, it's way better shot than it hit.

[Rosenberg]

Your last possession and you're down two.

[Allen]

Well, let me ask you.

[Rosenberg]

Or you're down three.

[Allen]

Here's the no brainer.

[Rosenberg]

You're not throwing it up.

[Allen]

You kick. No, here's the no brainer. Tell me the last Hail Mary before the Commanders won last year. That was talked about all year. You don't hit Hail Marys. They're like onside picks.

[Don Hahn]

I will tell you, field goals happen. Yeah, I will tell you. You're right. But there's been way more Hail Marys than when we were growing up. When I, when I was a kid, I remember like, oh no, never happened. Billy White Shoes Johnson had one for the Falcons, by the way. I remember that was like the biggest deal in the world. Like you would go a decade without seeing that.

[Allen]

You know how old the story is when it has someone with the nickname White Shoes Johnson.

[Don Hahn]

That's how you know is the Ahmad Rashad for the Vikings against the Cowboys. Remember that one?

[Allen]

No, but I remember.

[Don Hahn]

Yes, but you've seen it because they.

[Allen]

Were going wait, that's still going to the early.

[Don Hahn]

I'm telling you that they didn't happen. Now they happen. Football's whack.

[Allen]

Remember Roger?

[Don Hahn]

Football's whack. Roger should say it's not crack cracking whack.

[Allen]

Football's whack. Rogers basically had two in one game in the the playoffs that year when he had them back to back.

[Don Hahn]

That was right. You never saw twice in one, you.

[Allen]

Know, so it's, it's a different era.

[Don Hahn]

And then you had the, the giant one against Rogers and then the Packers. Yeah, there's, there's, there's been a bunch in the last 25 years and then the 25 years before that it was like hardly ever 1-800-9193776 being a big enn coming up at 6. Take you up until 7 o' clock here on Don Han and Rosenberg on ESPN New York. Now there are a lot of reasons why people buy at Ramsey Mazda. It's their selection, it's their customer service and it's their savings. Lisa New 2025 Mazda CX90 Turbo select for 249 for 24 months. Start shopping now at Ramsey Mazda.com choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. Call 833-853-2970 for details. Vin S1225248 MSRP 40,000 even zero security deposit ends 9:30. 25.

[Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Allen]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Rosenberg]

Catch whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don Hahn]

Get ready for the new Monday Night Football experience with the ESPN New York Couch cast when the jets take on the Dolphins for the Week 4 matchup settle in on the couch and join the old cast with all of your favorite ESPN New York personalities for instant reaction, unfiltered commentary, and behind the mic banter, stream live on your on our YouTube page. From kickoff to the final whistle, Grab your snacks and watch the game with the pros. It's the ESPN New York couchcast, presented by Calandra's Bakery and driven by All American Ford Auto Group, the number one Ford Group in the Tri State area. Shop All Americanford Group.com. it's on Monday, September 29th, starting at 7:00pm on ESPN New York, ESPN New York's YouTube channel. I'm hearing that Jacobs Pickles is involved in this too, right?

[Allen]

I just. I just heard that name get thrown Catering.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know.

[Rosenberg]

Please.

[Allen]

Should I make a phone call?

[Rosenberg]

I mean, we should try if we have to sit through a Jets talk, by the way.

[Allen]

And you know what? Because I was gonna say. I was about to say something.

[Rosenberg]

Well, Calandra's gonna take care of business. Business as well.

[Allen]

Well, calendar, that's one thing, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that's everything.

[Allen]

That can be everything. They do sandwiches. They do dessert.

[Don Hahn]

They do everything. Oh, then the pizza.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. It's the least we could have to sit through a Jets Dolphins game. So come on. Come on now.

[Don Hahn]

That seems somewhat sexy at the start of the season. Come on now. It's like, thank God for the old painful.

[Allen]

It went.

[Rosenberg]

You might want to watch us. Only way more entertaining.

[Allen]

It went from K. Adams to Michael K in two. It went from.

[Don Hahn]

That's a great.

[Allen]

It went from one K to the.

[Don Hahn]

Other K. I mean, it's not nice preseason.

[Allen]

Oh, my God, it's Kay Adams.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Allen]

Week three. Oh, my. That's Michael K. I mean, great broad. They're both great broadcasters, but not all equal.

[Don Hahn]

And we. We have. Okay, we have Michael. And the season.

[Allen]

We do have Michael.

[Don Hahn]

We have Michael. Listen, we talked about. You're looking forward to seeing Dave. I'm looking forward to seeing Rick. Michael is great because we don't get to see Michael all that often, but we see him more often than we do the morning show.

[Allen]

That's true.

[Don Hahn]

This could be. This is gonna be a really good time. Now, how blue could we work?

[Rosenberg]

It's.

[Allen]

It's because I could work.

[Rosenberg]

Blue is you two. It's like.

[Allen]

I wouldn't think.

[Don Hahn]

No, but it's really about the company, how far we can go. Like, I don't think there are any restrictions FCC wise. It's just a matter. I'm just saying we're watching football. We're having fun.

[Rosenberg]

I can't. I can't be responsible for something that I say during a Jets game.

[Don Hahn]

I want to. I want to be relaxed, too. I might wear, like a jumper or something. Like pajamas, something relaxing. How about slippers?

[Allen]

What do you. Hold on.

[Rosenberg]

Why don't you go way back?

[Allen]

I want to go back to a jumper.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, jumper. What's the jumper?

[Allen]

Like a romper?

[Don Hahn]

Like a big. Like a. Like a onesie, you know, you're gonna.

[Allen]

Dress like Fozzie for bumpy babies.

[Rosenberg]

Butt flat down on a onesie. Or just go straight underwear like you used to back in the day. It's a couch. See those looks? Those aren't sticky couches, right?

[Don Hahn]

They're like.

[Rosenberg]

They're like cloth, so they won't stick to your legs.

[Don Hahn]

We're gonna be very relaxed. Well, this is gonna be a lot. You should definitely, if a bare minimum, just check out to see what it looks.

[Rosenberg]

Just to see Don in the romper.

[Don Hahn]

Well, we'll make it.

[Allen]

We didn't know. You didn't know that was happening, did you?

[Don Hahn]

I didn't know.

[Rosenberg]

So. So I. I looked. Some stuff. You got a stat because, you know, Reddit has all the facts. So since 2009, 193 Hail Marys were attempted going into this season.

[Don Hahn]

How many?

[Rosenberg]

193.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

16 ended up in a touchdown. That's 12%.

[Don Hahn]

12%.

[Rosenberg]

Since 2010. So, I mean, basically the same type of place. All right, but give or take a year, there were 11460 yard or more field goal attempts made. 34 were made. 27%.

[Don Hahn]

Jeez, that's crushing it. Now let me ask you this. What defines a hail marriage? It's got to be the last play. It's how many yards.

[Rosenberg]

Last play of a game. I believe that's. That's how it has to be.

[Don Hahn]

But with no time distance, too. Like, it's not a Hail Mary if you're at the 10.

[Rosenberg]

Well, yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure we all.

[Allen]

My guess would be beyond 50, right? Maybe it's beyond 40. Although that's hail Mary, Jace. But. But it's right there. Beyond 50 is true Hail Mary. What do you think?

[Rosenberg]

ESPN? Let's see. ESPN had a story about Hail Marys.

[Allen]

Okay, but in your mind's eye, first.

[Rosenberg]

Hail Mary in Pro Football was December 28, 1975. Cowboys trailing the Vikings. Final seconds of a divisional round playoff game. Roger Staubach. Staubach just lined up at the 50 yard line, said, make a move, go.

[Don Hahn]

Deep, and just Threw it up then that was the. Oh, who was. Why am I fetching on his name?

[Allen]

Don't. Don't hurt yourself.

[Don Hahn]

I want to hurt myself.

[Rosenberg]

You know it.

[Don Hahn]

I know it.

[Rosenberg]

Yes. Nailed it.

[Don Hahn]

That yeah wasn't it was Drew Pearson against the Vikings. So it wasn't the Ahmad Rashford. I thought it was your. So the Billy White Suze Johnson had to be like 77, 78. Gotta have Billy White shoes there.

[Rosenberg]

But I don't. They don't have a list to me.

[Don Hahn]

To me, the Hail Mary, you can't run around like 40. You can run around, right? You're heaving it up, they're waiting for it to come. It's gotta be beyond.

[Rosenberg]

Since 2009, the average Hail Mary pass has traveled 44.7 yards past the line of scrimmage according to ESPN Stats & Information.

[Allen]

So by the way, that can still look like even further though because 44 pass line is scrimmage. Maybe it's 55.

[Rosenberg]

And much like kickers, quarterbacks throw it way farther today than they did back then. Let's be honest, quarterbacks arms like you're seeing guys do things throwing the football.

[Don Hahn]

It is amazing, right?

[Rosenberg]

So it is a little bit different.

[Don Hahn]

Just like kickers, the greatest quarterback in the world back when we were growing up would throw a ball like 70 yards and like dislocate his shoulder. They'd come out the next game, they'd have a black armband they'd be honoring in memoriam. It is amazing.

[Rosenberg]

He'd throw it his other arm.

[Don Hahn]

The athletic ability that it's completely changed but still so.

[Rosenberg]

So the 27% versus 12%, as long as it's within three points, you're going to start to see teams probably consider rather than a Hail Mary.

[Don Hahn]

Well, the analytics are the thing, right?

[Rosenberg]

60 plus yarder and see what happens.

[Don Hahn]

So the analytics tell you it'd be a no brainer to kick it. Yeah, if the score is right. All right. Enn's coming up next. Looking forward to that.

[Allen]

It's a doozy too.

[Don Hahn]

We got lots going into that. We're taking up a little 7. I know we've been off at 6, 6:30 a lot recently, but full frontal today till 7 again. What's the matter with that?

[Allen]

When you say full frontal it's just, it's such a. Well, let me ask a question. Is that said other places or we only say it here to describe a radio show?

[Don Hahn]

First of all, I don't do things based on the percentages that's used other.

[Allen]

Places that's not what I mean. I mean, when people say the term full frontal, do they ever use it about anything except generally full frontal nudity?

[Rosenberg]

They're just expecting us to be doing cnn.

[Don Hahn]

I'm a fan of English comedy. It was used by Monty Python, I believe it was, in the 199096 vehicle, the Full Monty. 97 maybe. So that's what I say. And as I say, so if you say, oh, that wasn't used other places good. No, no, that's not what I want to be a groundbreaker. Listen, this is all I got, man.

[Rosenberg]

So this is literally all the Full Monty all the way to sell, right?

[Allen]

Full monty, full month, full frontal.

[Don Hahn]

You think there'd be women out there that would pay to see us naked?

[Allen]

No.

[Don Hahn]

Did you see the Full Monty? I think we do. I think we're better, right?

[Allen]

Well, we got Allen, right?

[Rosenberg]

What does that mean?

[Don Hahn]

We can entertain in other ways, right?

[Allen]

I don't know.

[Rosenberg]

Hey, it can be comedy that entertains too.

[Don Hahn]

We'll catch you through on Don Hanna Rosenberg on ESPN New York.

[Allen]

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[Rosenberg]

467-369 thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Allen]

I don't want to know to how.

[Rosenberg]

The sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.