Hour 3: Tipping & HR Derby

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary

Title: Hour 3: Tipping & HR Derby
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Release Date: July 11, 2025

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1. Introduction to Episode Topics

In this engaging third hour of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast, hosts Don Hahn, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve into a mix of current sports events, analytical debates, and lively interactions with listeners. The primary topics of discussion include recent performances by Major League Baseball teams, allegations of pitching strategies in baseball, and the implications of the Home Run Derby on player performance.

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2. Baseball Breakdown: Mets vs. Yankees Performance

Timestamp: [02:42] – [06:50]

The hosts begin by analyzing recent performances in Major League Baseball, particularly focusing on the New York Mets' performance against the Baltimore Orioles and the New York Yankees' remarkable comeback against the Seattle Mariners.

Don Hahn highlights the Mets' struggles:
"We opened the show with the Mets losing two out of three to the Orioles. A wasted day yesterday, getting swept in a doubleheader." ([02:42])

In contrast, Alan Rosenberg praises the Yankees' resilience:
"The Yankees had an amazing comeback. Only the second time since 1961 that a team was getting no hit into the eighth inning, down by five runs and come back and win the game." ([03:03])

3. Allegations of Pitch Tipping and Strategic Analysis

Timestamp: [03:31] – [07:24]

The conversation shifts to allegations that Yankees' closer, Munoz, may have been tipping his pitches, potentially giving away his use of sliders to opposing hitters.

Anthony raises the concern:
"Many people, especially on social media, were saying that Munoz was tipping his pitches." ([03:31])

Alan discusses Munoz's demeanor and skepticism about the allegations:
"You can't hear in his voice that he's just playing dumb... you could tell by his tone he's not giving that up." ([04:06])

Further analysis by Anthony points out observable patterns during the game, such as Munoz throwing an excessive number of sliders with increasing off-target pitches, suggesting mental frustration:
"You could see his frustration on a lot of the pitches, but he almost went exclusively with the slider." ([05:13])

Don Hahn adds context by comparing to historical instances:
"Andy Pettit in the 2001 World Series... some difference between stealing signs and situational tells." ([06:07])

4. Implications of the Home Run Derby on Player Performance

Timestamp: [13:34] – [35:00]

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Jazz Chisholm, a Yankees player selected for the Home Run Derby, and the potential impact of participating in the event on his performance and health.

Anthony expresses concern:
"Anthony, you and I were texting about that too... I'm going to be a little selfish here. I want Jazz Chisholm to be healthy for the second half of the season because I want him to help us possibly get back to the World Series." ([16:23])

Conversely, Alan Rosenberg defends Chisholm's participation:
"He seems like the perfect guy to do it. He wants to do it... he's such a fun guy, but I think he's refreshing, and I think he's the perfect addition to the Home Run Derby." ([14:32])

Listeners contribute their opinions through calls, debating whether the Home Run Derby enhances or detracts from player performance. A caller underscores the physical toll:
"His shoulder... the thing that concerns me the most is the shoulder he loves to do. He wants to do it." ([15:50])

Alan acknowledges both perspectives:
"I see both. I think both of you were right." ([17:02])

The debate extends to comparisons with past participants and their subsequent performance, referencing players like Josh Hamilton and highlighting the balance between personal ambition and team success.

5. Listener Engagement: Fraudulent Behavior in Fandom

Timestamp: [27:25] – [46:34]

The podcast features dynamic interactions with listeners who express strong opinions about team loyalty and professional broadcasting ethics.

Howard, a lifelong Rangers fan, challenges Don Hahn's integrity: "I'm one of those maniacs who will watch the game on TV but listen on the radio because you are so amazing at what you do." ([27:30])

Alan Rosenberg responds by emphasizing professionalism over personal fandom:
"I'm calling Ranger games. So, no, I'm no longer a [Devil] fan. I am a professional doing my job." ([41:10])

Anthony reinforces the importance of unbiased analysis:
"I'm supposed to analyze things and discuss them and explain them, and that's my job." ([44:17])

This segment underscores the hosts' commitment to objective sports commentary, regardless of personal allegiances, fostering a conversation about the balance between fan passion and professional integrity.

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6. Debate on the Home Run Derby vs. Dunk Contest

Timestamp: [30:04] – [36:05]

The hosts engage in a spirited debate comparing the allure of the MLB Home Run Derby to the NBA's Dunk Contest, evaluating their entertainment value and impact on their respective sports.

Anthony advocates for the Home Run Derby:
"The Home Run Derby has far surpassed the slam dunk contest as the best of any of the major sports All Star Weekend extravaganzas." ([33:19])

Alan counters by questioning its uniqueness:
"I find it kind of boring... it's the same thing over and over again, but it's majestic." ([33:55])

The discussion touches on the creativity, repetition, and viewer engagement of both events, highlighting differing opinions on what makes a sports showcase compelling.

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7. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [46:38] – [47:52]

As the episode approaches its end, the hosts wrap up their discussions with light-hearted banter and tease upcoming content:

Alan concludes with a teaser for a new "30 for 30" series:
"30 for 30 podcast presents a brand new original series, Chasing Basketball Heaven, available July 22." ([47:34])

The episode underscores the podcast's blend of in-depth sports analysis, host chemistry, and interactive listener segments, providing a comprehensive and entertaining listening experience for sports enthusiasts.

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Notable Quotes:

• Alan Rosenberg: "The Yankees had an amazing comeback. Only the second time since 1961 that a team was getting no hit into the eighth inning, down by five runs and come back and win the game." ([03:03])

• Alan Rosenberg: "I'm calling Ranger games. So, no, I'm no longer a [Devil] fan. I am a professional doing my job." ([41:10])

• Anthony: "The Home Run Derby has far surpassed the slam dunk contest as the best of any of the major sports All Star Weekend extravaganzas." ([33:19])

• Alan Rosenberg: "He seems like the perfect guy to do it. He wants to do it... he's such a fun guy, but I think he's refreshing, and I think he's the perfect addition to the Home Run Derby." ([14:32])

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This episode of "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" effectively balances analytical discussions, listener interactions, and spirited debates, providing listeners with a multifaceted perspective on contemporary sports issues.

Transcript

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[Anthony]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Anthony]

Can I add one more thing to tonight, please, you know, if you're interested, Knicks Summer League begins out in Vegas.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Okay, six o' clock.

[Anthony]

NBA TV if you have it. Knicks, Pistons. Now obviously nothing like the playoff series, but Knick fans love their, their little puppies. And this is like the Puppy bowl for the NBA. All the young players, not just draft picks, but all your team's young players are front and center and they get to get a lot of minutes and it's, it's that time of year. No other sport does it. I'm surprised hockey doesn't do this more, but it's like a fun off season. How much have the young guys on your team improved from year to year and you're giving them prominent positions. And if there's ever a sport that loves its young players more than the NBA, please tell me who it is. Because this is sort of like if you're a die hard fan, you love watching this. I like I said I call it the Puppy bowl. But it's fun to watch Tyler Colic, the rookie from last year, become Dotier Ariel Hook Porti. There's a couple other players as well you might be interested in, but that's on NBA TV at 6 and they're always a lot of fun to watch. So if in between the Pitches and baseball. You can, you know, last channel yourself over to NBA tv and you've covered.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It before so that people are into it.

[Anthony]

It's a fortnight in Vegas in the summer. It's, it's nothing like it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's hot, but you get. They're not playing outside. And yeah, the good news is there's.

[Anthony]

Air conditioning where it matters most. And, and by that second weekend, boy, you're shot. But I, yeah, I covered many, many of them, some on tv, some as a writer. And, you know, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Donnie.

[Alan Rosenberg]

We opened the show with the Mets and losing two out of three to the Orioles. A wasted day yesterday, getting swept in a double header. And the Yankees had an amazing comeback. Only the second time since 1961 that a team was getting no hit into the eighth inning, down by five runs and come back and win the game.

[Anthony]

That's crazy.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Pretty amazing. And many people, especially on social media, were saying that Munoz was tipping his pitches. He wouldn't throw his fastball, relied on a slider, and the Yankees beat him up. And this is a good closer. This is an all star closer that the Yankees were able to beat up on and in that ninth inning to win the game. And. But Boone was asked about Munoz tipping his pitches. Who gets the hat tip for spotting.

[Anthony]

The Munoz tell for the Munoz what? Who spotted that he was giving away that he was throwing sliders?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Munoz was.

[Anthony]

I don't know. So you're saying that that didn't happen? I don't know.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't know anything about that.

[Anthony]

You, you, you can gavel. Do you still have your gavel?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, where's it going? It's right here. I'm not gonna call him a fraud, but I will say this. Like, you don't. You can't hear in his voice that he's just playing dumb. Like he, if you read that in an article, be like, oh, he's genuinely surprised by he. You could tell by his tone he's not giving that up.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And here's why. Because then it takes away for why they came back. Like, it's almost built in. Like a built in excuse for Seattle. Like, well, we didn't really hit him. The only reason we hit him.

[Anthony]

Yeah. Cal Raleigh was the guy who said.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, and that's bad on him because it's making an excuse for them choking the game away. So I don't, I personally think that Boone wasn't. There's two things he didn't want to take away from what his offense did last night and how special that win was.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And also, I guess any allegations that, hey, they're stealing signs or something like. Because then the next question would be, well, how was he tipping it? How did you find out? You know, and then I don't think he even wanted to have to deal with that. So. No, no, they were given a bit of a gift last night, and I don't think he wanted to take anything away from the accomplishments. So I think he absolutely knew. And I believe from the tone, he knew. Everybody in the room knew he knew, but he wasn't going to give him anything.

[Anthony]

And yes, it was amazing, though, when watching it again, Anthony and I were really live. Live texting and I know you were busy, but that inning, it was bizarre because you could see, like, Anthony, back me up if I'm right or wrong here. You could see that he would. He. It was slider after slider after slider, and a couple of the sliders was so off. He threw a couple of fastballs and none of them were in the zone. One was in the hands. I forget who it was, but threw it inside. Might have been Wells threw it inside and you could just see his frustration on a lot of the pitches, but he almost went exclusively with the slider. And I think he threw one change up, if I'm not mistaken. But there was something going on with him mentally. You could see he had a lot of frustration.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But it happens, man. Bizarre happened to the Dodgers the other day, right?

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Sometimes there's a tell.

[Anthony]

Yeah, the Astros, right. It was a 15 to 1 game.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And when you see. Well, happen when you see good pitchers get hit, I mean, it was andy Pettit in 2001 World Series, right. Like, you got to explain how a quality pitcher can get that roughed up. And that's always going to be on the table. But there's a difference between stealing signs like the Astros were with the banging of the trash can, or just, hey, guy at second base, right? He's seeing something. And there's nothing wrong with finding out it's wrong. If you're using electronics or something untoward to find the information out, but it's right there in your face.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Then you've got to be able to communicate that to the hitter and then take advantage of it.

[Anthony]

You're going to say something.

[Caller]

Anthony, belly jumping up and down kind of caught my eye in the inning and I was like, wow, he's really demonstrative getting off of second base. Why is he doing that? And then in the morning, I looked and everybody said, oh well, Munoz was clearly temping. Well, that makes a little more sense.

[Anthony]

Once they had somebody on second, like.

[Caller]

Why is he jumping up and down? And Brendan Cuddy put out a video that showed even Rice was kind of doing the same thing and jumping up and down.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You got to button that stuff up.

[Caller]

And that was at first.

[Anthony]

So he clearly, they could see.

[Caller]

He clearly saw whether it was the way he was getting set or the way that he was holding the ball before he got set. It wasn't even just second base. Everybody saw what was going on.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And wasn't there.

[Anthony]

Wasn't there a point too where the umpire stopped him and said, you have to make eye contact with the batter? There was one time he.

[Caller]

Well, that was just the whole, like when you get set now, you have to make contact with the batter before you, before you.

[Anthony]

No, no. But there was like, it was a lot of disrupt. There was a lot going on in that. And he did not look comfortable at all. No, but it was, it was wild.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Listen, I don't know how good Seattle really is, but I'll tell you what.

[Anthony]

That should have won the game.

[Alan Rosenberg]

They look fugazi to me. I mean, I mean, they've fallen out of the playoffs, but they still could very much make the playoffs. But that's, that's why again, I don't want to throw any shade at. Raleigh's having an amazing year. 36 home runs as a catcher. He's got more RBIs than Judge. And there has been a groundswell that people that maybe have Judge fatigue around major league baseball or you know, anti New York kind of thing, that think that Raleigh had a real chance of maybe winning the MVP if he were to beat out Judge in home runs and RBIs as a catcher. But to me, debate's over. I mean, you rarely get these mano a mano moments and you come in a playoff team, three game series against the Yankees, Judge versus Raleigh, he goes 1 for 11. Can't make the tag at home plate. That ends the game. Seattle completely melted down. They didn't look like they were ready for any. That's what I'm telling you, man. It's not just me saying this. I do think the National League is stronger than the American League. But there are certain teams that just can't beat the Yankees on a bet, and Seattle's one of them. And you can. And Yankee fans can call and say, well, wait a minute, I know this series, that series, Jay Buhner, all that stuff. But I'm telling you, in big moments, forget about 95. That's, that's 100 years ago. 30 years ago, actually, to the day. But, you know, like, I'm sorry, that, that's not a team that's beating the Yankees. They're not, you know, these central teams. I, I had some belief early in the year and like, oh, the Guardians look good. All the Royals look good. The Tigers look legitimately good. They're the only one, though, right now. There are teams that are, that are beaten by the Yankees before the Series even starts. And, and I, and I, I felt that way about the Guardians and the, and the Royals last year. I'm not taking anything away from the Yankees winning those playoff series. They won them fair and square. They deserve to go to the World Series. But I'm telling you, there's only one team right now in my belief. Maybe I changed my mind. That. Right. That is a good team that has no fear of the Yankees, and that's the Astros. Everybody else, I think, goes in with their knees knocking.

[Anthony]

You think Detroit, too?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Anthony]

As good as they are this year.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Listen, they're. Let's see. I want to see it. I don't care. Let them win 120 games. I don't care. You saw it from Seattle. You saw it from Seattle back in the year. Was it 2001, when they won 116 games, still couldn't beat the Yankees in the playoffs? There's certain teams that got to show me they can do it, and I'll believe it when I see it from Detroit. I'm sorry, I don't want to take anything away. They had a great end to the year last year. They're continuing it this year. They, they can flat out pitch. They're the best team in baseball right now. But I'll see it when I believe it. I'll see those guys walk into Yankee Stadium in a big spot and beat them. And there's only one team right now in the American League that I look at and say that I, if I'm a Yankee fan, that I'd be scared of. And even the Astros aren't the same team that beat them, you know, back in the day, but that team at least can walk into that building knowing they've done it.

[Anthony]

But September, September Detroit comes in in September. 9th, 10th and 11th. That ought to be something, right? That, that, that, that ought to be something.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But maybe they will, right? Maybe they will.

[Anthony]

Boy, they get a lot. The Yankees get a lot of Orioles to finish the season. My God, they got A four game set in Baltimore. Then they play the White Sox and then they do three games at the stadium against the Orioles and what a cupcake finish. I can't.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And you know what? You know, I killed, I killed Manfred in baseball for, for the Met schedule down the stretch of not playing the Phillies the last two and a half weeks of the season and not playing the Braves at all in September. I can't kill baseball. Orioles look like they were a good team. Like I thought they were going into the season.

[Anthony]

And you knew those would be, those could be hot games.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right. Baltimore's gone to the playoffs. I mean, they're another team that, you know, they'll beat the Yankees in April, you know, but let, let's see it happen when it means there's still something. I will give you this. I always fight you about the standard. And there, there is, there's something about having to go to the Bronx in October, starting to get a little crazy. Not every team's got the stomach. That's when you find out.

[Anthony]

Yep. And it's not even the same stadium. Right. Like, that's the thing. The old ballpark had a different feel to it and a different sound to it. Yeah, but, but the fact that it's still, there's facade there. You're in the Bronx, you're in New York City and it's, and it's, you're starting to feel that, that, that chill in the air at night in these games. Yeah, I do think that does. And for some, I actually think it gets some, some like, you know, NBA players come to the Garden and they just, they get a little extra juice. I do also think you're going to, you'd get guys, players who come in and their eyes widen a little bit like they're like, yeah, yeah, I like this.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And also there's more attention on a playoff game, a playoff series involving the Yankees than anybody else, you know, late September even. So, you know, when, if Detroit plays, you know, in a play coming off a playoff series with the Guardians or the Royals or the Red. So whoever, it's like, yeah, there's a tension, there's more to the playoffs, but going there, it's, it's a big deal. And listen, there's been flashes like, you know, the Red Sox weren't scared of the Yankees back in the day and they've actually played the Yankees. That'd be interesting if Boston never put it together because they don't look like they're scared of the Yankees either.

[Anthony]

We haven't had a Yankee Red Sox series in a couple of years.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right. But based on how they played earlier this year, and even Detroit played well against the Yankees earlier in the year. But, but there's certain moments and I, I felt it when Seattle came in. All right, this is, this is a really nice measuring stick for them. I'm sure they were talking about that in Seattle. Right. Good team. We're a wild card team now. We've got an MVP candidate. We're pitching well, going up against the defending American League champions in Yankee State. And let's see what we do. And they wet the bed. They did.

[Anthony]

No, no, you're not wrong. So not a good series for them at all. And it ended so poorly and your best player didn't make the play that could have kept the game going. And that's a problem. Don, I want to ask you, staying on the Yankee front for a minute here. So Carlos Rodon was named the replacement for, for Max Freed. So Radon gets an All Star appearance, his second, I believe. And because Freed is not going to make an appearance because he's going to pitch Saturday and there's not enough time.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Anthony]

For him to even throw, so why bother? So that's. The Yankees get themselves, still going to have three All Stars. Jazz Chisholm was named to the Home Run Derby. Jazz has been hot lately and you know, he does hit home runs. He's not a traditional home run kind of hitter.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, but, but, but he's a flashy.

[Anthony]

Personality and he's, you know, it's good for baseball and he'll, he'll put on a show. Anthony, as a Yankees fan, doesn't like this. I don't mind it at all. How do you feel?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I, I get what Anthony's saying and Anthony, I mean, he can speak for himself, but you know, you're talking about him moving the second he's got a barky shoulder. Is that. And they, they did talk about him swinging too hard. Is this where you want him to be? Great first half of the season. Doesn't it feel like it could set up for maybe he gets off to a slow start in the second half and we go back to him being in the Home Run Derby. So I get it. But he seems like the perfect guy to do it. He wants to do it. He's such a. They were talking about during the broadcast last night about how brutally honest he is, how much fun he is to cover. He, to me, is exactly what the Yankees were hoping for when they got rid of the beard policy. It wasn't just Dropping the beard policy, the facial hair policy. It was just letting players be themselves a little bit more. And he seems to be the perfect example of that. Kind of let your hair down, be yourself. He's such a fun guy, and I can understand him irritating people because he is so much fun, but I think he's refreshing, and I think he's, like the perfect addition to the Home Run Derby. So I hear what Anthony's saying, but I also think it's exactly what the Home Run Derby needs.

[Anthony]

I agree.

[Caller]

I want him to get eliminated in the first round.

[Anthony]

Now, is this just, you know, his shoulder was barky because.

[Caller]

Yes, it's the shoulder. It didn't affect Judge when he won, and Stanton's done it. And sometimes. And I think when in Florida, people said that it affected him. But the thing that concerns me the most is the shoulder he loves to do. He wants to do it. It would be great for the sport. I'm going to be a little selfish here. I don't care about the sport. I care about me. So I want Jazz Chisholm to be healthy for the second half of the season because I want him to help us possibly get back to the World Series. And I'm not saying that he's going to get hurt. And it doesn't mean that if he gets off to a slow start in the second half, it's because of the Home Run Derby. I'll tell you what, but I have my reservation.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I'm not mad at you because don't. It didn't affect Judge because nothing affects Judge in the sense that he doesn't have to even break a sweat to hit home runs in the Home Run Derby. You worry about the guys like David Wright who it affected because David Wright was not a home run hitter. He could hit home runs. So he's really got to expend a lot of energy to be in this competition. You could see Jazz really, like, killing himself to try to win this thing, exhausting himself, and then maybe affecting the second half of the season. I get what you're saying, but I also get the idea he wants to do it. It'll add some juice to it. So have at it. So I. But I. I see both. I think both of you were right.

[Anthony]

He jumps out of his shoes and certain at bats when he.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Which they're trying to tone down. Right.

[Anthony]

But you could tell he tries sometimes to play hero ball like he did last night. He did. He did it last night. If I'm not right. Anthony, you and I were texting about that too. Remember I said like, like he's going to be jumping out of his cleats to try to hit one out here. And I think he had a fly out. He actually hit it pretty well, but it didn't go deep enough. But he, he's, he loves these types of moments. So I, I, that's why I'm with Don. I just think for baseball, he's absolutely the right guy to have there because, you know, he'll do something electric or at least try to. And if he doesn't, you know, you keep it moving. But if he does, it's kind of fun.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I get Anthony too, so. And Anthony will be right. If all of a sudden he comes back in the second half and he's over his last 20 and that people are going to point to that and.

[Anthony]

It happens all just put him at second base. Can we get Howard on here, Don?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, let's go to Howard of Massachusetts. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Howard?

[Howard]

Hey, fellas. How are you?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Good, man.

[Howard]

Oh, cool. So I heard, I started listening a while ago. You started talking about the Chief and his family and the kid pitching last night.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Howard]

And whether or not, you know, how the family thought about being Yankee fans all of a sudden. Is that right?

[Anthony]

Yes.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, there was, there was a lot.

[Anthony]

Of talk earlier, I guess on the station earlier about it. I think, I think even they, they had him on. Right. They had Cam on. Was it Barton, Carlin Collins? He said that it's not, it's not something for him. The Yankees meant something. And they made it sound like he really wasn't a die hard Red Sox fan. Like, like the Red Sox pitcher who made a big deal about saying he'd never pitch for the Yankees.

[Howard]

What's the, I think the kid may be really, well, media trained. That is a guy that's done that for most of my life with athletes. I get it. I happen to be at the Needham police station today and ran into the Chief. We call him the Chief, by the way, because nobody can say the last name without a full pond ball.

[Anthony]

Neither can Don.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, right.

[Howard]

So the whole town, the whole town is on that. They are die hard Rodson fans. Absolutely. And I said, like, how do you handle that in the Inside Scoop? And he said, look, if you noticed, the whole family was decked out in navy and white, but the Chief was the only one actually wearing a Yankee logo. He's wearing a Yankee shirt of some sort. Everybody else was wearing navy and white out of deference to all their friends and family back home, they could not go the mile and wear the Yankee garb, despite the fact that the team gave them garb to wear.

[Anthony]

Well, I like this.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I do like that.

[Anthony]

Now, that's how you do it, I think, Howard. Right. Like, I actually respect that. That's good intel from.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I respect it. But listen, I. I'm all about the front. I'm telling you, if Marco became an Eagle, and I hate the Eagles. Let's.

[Anthony]

Let's keep it on the. Let's keep it on the baseball thing because, you know, he's. He's already a talented baseball player, right? Yeah. So he's got, you know, he's got a little something going. So let's just say he becomes a Philly, and he's making his debut in Philadelphia. Are you wearing red?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm going to Philly. I'm walking into the building with a full uniform and stirrups. I love it because it's your. It's your son.

[Anthony]

You're a Mets fan.

[Caller]

Dave would be disgusted with you.

[Anthony]

You hate the Phillies, right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I was giving the. I was given the Eagle example because I. I hate the Eagles.

[Anthony]

Well, I know you hate the. Well, that's. That's fine.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I'm just to give you that. No matter how much I hate a team, no love for the Braves. I hated the Cardinals back in the day, you know, because as a Met fan, you've got, like, 100 teams you hate because, you know, divisions change, and there was always a bunch of teams. But if Marco ever became a professional baseball player, I'm all in on whatever team he's playing for. Call me a fraud, whatever. It's my son, you know? Stop. What could be better than that? What could be, like, as great as it would be to see the Mets win a World Series? Haven't done it since 1986.

[Anthony]

I was.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I was a freshman in college the last time they won. Wouldn't my son winning a World Series be better than that?

[Anthony]

No. No. Your son getting an at bat.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, but. But I'm saying.

[Anthony]

So he's officially in the record books forever as a major league baseball player, right? Like, that's. That's. That. That matters. Anything after that, Don, is gravy. Anything after that is gravy.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But how. I just. I. How can you not. It's your son, you know, I agree. So I. But I'd be a fraud. But I think I'd be doing it for the right reasons, because, like, what a toolbox you would be. Seriously, like, imagine you would just say, this guy is absolute. Like, it's the biggest.

[Anthony]

Yeah, you're Dave Rothenberg. You love your team more than you love anything else in the world.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Craftsman tool shed garbage. If I walked into Citizens bank park from Marco's debut as a Philly, you had a Mets hat on against the Mets, and I'm rooting for the Mets and pumping my fist when Marco struggling. I should be carried out by my hair and beaten by every Philly fan. The guy that threw up on the kid, the guy that looked like crack when he was walking around in Santa Claus at the vet. Andre Waters come back from the dead and beat me senseless. If I did that now, I'd be able to say, hey, I'm no fraud. No, but you're the biggest tool. Piece of garbage. Walk at the base of the kid. I'd rather be a fraud.

[Anthony]

Now, wouldn't this be a hilarious Seinfeld episode? Kramer has a nephew, right, that he's. He's known since he was a baby. And the kid's making his debut as a Red Sox, and Kramer's a Yankees fan. They go to the stadium, and they all want to go because they feel happy for this kid. And Kramer refuses to cheer and, in fact, wants to see him strike out like. Like, you know what I mean? That's an episode. And you could see a character like Kramer just losing his mind and just being in denial, and the rest of them just can't understand it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Nancy's listening. Now. Nancy's a big Giant fan, and she's got no love for the Phillies either.

[Anthony]

Okay?

[Alan Rosenberg]

They had some big. They had the playoff series in 2010. She hates Philadelphia. She just texts me and says his mom would be flipping out. It sounds like Nancy would have more of a struggle than me.

[Anthony]

She'd have a harder time. Well, you know, I'll tell you this. So Zach played his junior hockey, was with the. The Pal. Islanders. The Islanders.

[Alan Rosenberg]

They.

[Anthony]

They wore the whole jersey. The whole thing. The exact uniform that the Islanders wear in the NHL. Right, Right. And so he had stuff. He had jackets. He had the whole thing. She would never wear anything. None. She's a range fan. She would never. She supported him. But she would never wear the Islander logo on herself.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, she would. If he became an actual Islander.

[Anthony]

Yes, she would. Well, who knows? She wouldn't do it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Listen, you know what? I'm not gonna say. Something popped in my head. I'm not gonna say. All right, I'll tell you guys during the break. But I was. I hope it's good how men are different than women, but I'm not gonna go there.

[Anthony]

I gotcha.

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[Anthony]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

All right, let's talk to Joey and Montclair. You're on ESPN New York. What's up Joey?

[Howard]

Gentlemen, amazing show as always, but I do think we got a little off track. So with the approach of the judge, may I approach the bench to recalibrate for our Friday?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Okay, go ahead.

[Howard]

Just to set things clear for the integrity of this fantastic show and the listening audience what non fraud looks like. I am a lifelong die hard Ranger fan and Don, you are by far my favorite radio personality of all time. I'm one of those maniacs who will watch the game on TV but listen on the radio because you are so amazing at what you do.

[Anthony]

Wow.

[Howard]

I want nothing but immense success for you, but I want the Devils to fail miserably. Sam Rosen from 2000 to 2010. That's what I want for you. Hall of Fame broadcaster and the devil never to sniff the playoffs.

[Anthony]

Joey, I got it better for you. Think Mike Breen from like 2003 till 2017 or 18 or whatever, I, you.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Know what I mean. Nothing but respect for you, man. I, I, I respect it. I do. I hope you're wrong, but I respect it.

[Howard]

Honestly. Best wishes. You're a great guy, great opportunity. So happy for you like everybody else. And just if we could turn this not into a Devil's program, I would appreciate that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Thanks. No, you don't have to worry about that. Listen, we talk more hockey than anybody else and anybody. The Devils will get their due when they're supposed to, but it's not going to become Devil Central either. But we talk hockey. And if, and if they're worthy of talking about, they'll be worthy of talking about. But if they end up like he's hoping, then there probably won't be much conversation, but then we'll.

[Anthony]

But we'll be talking about you and your broadcast, though.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I hear what you're saying. Yeah, I hear what he's saying, though. I can understand that. Because that's kind of like. I guess the compromise would be for the scenario that we painted before we went to break, like, Marco's a Philly wish, nothing but success for him, but have the Phillies be awful. But that's hard because I don't think I'd want my son to be on a bad team every year, you know? So it's. It's tough. But like I said, there's nuance to all this. Of course, let's not take the fun out of fraud.

[Anthony]

But the whole. The whole point of fraud, of the fraud Friday was everything that we were getting from a lot of people along the way, which is people that. Friends of theirs that they know have bounced around. They're the. They're the butterfly fan. It's like whatever suits them in that moment. And we're going to call that out fraudulent behavior.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right. Because all it is is. It's selfish behavior is what it is.

[Anthony]

Yeah. It's what's best for me.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But it's not being selfish to say, well, my son plays for a team I hate for. No, for that team. That's.

[Anthony]

That doesn't count. It's also like 0.5% anyway. You didn't. You never get those. No. So.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But, you know, or a job or something. I would just, like, I'm sick of this team losing. I'm going to go root for a team that's actually winning. That's fraudulent behavior. Let's go. Speaking of which, how about Marco in North Carolina? You're on espn. What's up, Marco?

[Howard]

Hi, Don. Hi, Alan. I understand the point that Anthony made, but I disagree with him. Honestly. I think for a player like Jazz is actually invigorating playing the. Sorry, I'm blanking right here.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The Home Run Derby.

[Howard]

The Home Run Derby. And I think that the. If he's gonna get in the final or as well win, he's gonna.

[Anthony]

A boost.

[Howard]

That guy loved baseball and he loved being in this kind of spot. And I. I disagree with him in the sense that, yes, I understand the concern about the shoulder, but I think it's gonna. It's gonna get a major boost out of this.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, maybe, maybe not. I mean, I. I understand where. Where Anthony's coming from. Maybe it gives him a boost or maybe he Struggles. I get what Anthony's saying, but here's where I'll take it. Why tick off one of your players, Right? Like, he wants to do it, so let him do what he wants to do. He's. He'll have fun doing it. And that. That, I think, from a Yankees perspective, why not give him that kind of latitude? Right.

[Anthony]

He wants to be a star so bad.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah. So let's let him do it.

[Anthony]

Enjoy it. Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I. But you understand where Anthony's coming from, though.

[Anthony]

Yeah. Because you're rooting out of fear. You're. You're rooting with concern.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That crazy a thought, though, guys. Got a barking shoulder.

[Anthony]

We've seen it happen. We've seen it happen. So it's not. It's not. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Let's go to Joe and Chappaqua. You're on espn, New York.

[Howard]

Hey, Donnie. Pucks in Hollywood. Thanks for taking my call.

[Alan Rosenberg]

What's up?

[Howard]

So I agree with Anthony 100%. I want jazz eliminated in the first round. And do you guys remember a Brayu when he was with the Yankees after the Phillies? Did he get. He had, like, a tremendous first half. And then after the All Star break, I think he was in a Home run Derby, and he, like, couldn't buy a home run.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Hmm. But there's plenty of guys, like, I always go to David Wright. David Wright, not a quintessential home run hitter. And it seemed to affect them. They don't want him swinging too hard. You're gonna have to swing hard then. He's got a bad shoulder. It is exhausting. That's what usually knocks you out of the box is, like, all the home runs you have to hit. It's exhausting, all those swings. Yeah. So I get the apprehension. And listen, Anthony's not a guy that cares about the home runner. I get. So it does seem like a lot to possibly sacrifice for something that, at the end of the day, doesn't matter. Listen, it matters only because there's nothing happening that Monday. So we got to watch something, right?

[Anthony]

It's.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's summer Monday. There's no sports.

[Anthony]

I tweeted it today. It's. The Home Run Derby is. Has far and away surpassed the slam dunk contest as the best of any of the major sports. All Star Weekend, you know, extravaganzas. The Home Run Derby is still a very compelling watch. Way better than the dunk contest.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Thank you, Joe. But it let me push back on it.

[Anthony]

Okay.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I think it's compelling because there's like literally nothing else to watch. I don't find it entertaining. I kind of. I kind of find it kind of boring.

[Anthony]

It's boring. Yeah.

[Howard]

It's just.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's. It's. Some of the home runs are great, but a lot of times it just like it's the same thing over and over again, but it's majestic.

[Anthony]

Some of these are just moonshots. And it gets exciting when a guy gets into a rhythm and starts hitting him.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But it doesn't happen a lot. Sometimes it's always the one guy that's.

[Anthony]

That's. That. That has a look. And Chris Berman used to add to it because.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It just got a little redundant at times. So who was the. Was it Hamilton? Hamilton, The Texas Ranger? That Yankee Stadium? Josh Hamilton. That's right. Josh Hamilton.

[Anthony]

Yeah. That was a show.

[Alan Rosenberg]

There's certain moments that are. Judge had some, you know, bombs when.

[Anthony]

When, when he did it and Alonzo did, too. Alonzo. The times, the two times he won it. The first one he put on an absolute.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But honestly, I. Listen, I can't tell you what to like. If you find it compelling. You find it compelling.

[Anthony]

It's better than a dunk contest.

[Alan Rosenberg]

One thing I will say about. But here's the thing. Yeah, it's better than the dunk contest, but that's not really saying much. All right?

[Anthony]

But the dunk contest used to be the gold standard when it comes to, like the All Star Week. It's why there is a Home Run Derby.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But there was creativity in the different.

[Anthony]

Why the NHL felt like they had to do something Saturday night.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You know, like Cedric Ceballos wasn't the most compelling basketball player, but he'd be creative with his dunks. And so there'd be different things, you know, so it kind of got creative and then it got corny. Right? There's always the moments, but whenever there's the skills competition in the NHL and the NBA, there's competition. There's other things going on. We're talking about the dead of summer. The only thing the networks are playing or game show recreates. So you got nothing. So you watch. You know, that's why I think the All Star Game does so well for baseball, is because it's got no competition.

[Anthony]

NBA All Star Weekend, All Star Saturday. There's nothing going on All Star Saturday.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But there could be others. But there's college basketball. There's hockey.

[Anthony]

No, actually, I don't think they do a lot of college basketball on All Star Weekend. But. But I get your point that it's middle of the summer, and there's really not much happening on a Monday night in the summer. But I just feel like as a watch, there's something way more compelling about it. I don't know. It's way more than the. Than the dunk is way more.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I. But again, I don't think that that's saying it's. It's all right. But again, I'm. I'm 50.

[Anthony]

So you're not watching. Are you telling me you're not watching it?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Like, I mean, I might watch it because Marco might want to watch.

[Anthony]

Okay. But it's for kids for sure.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I'll tell you what, if I'm not watching before, whatever, I don't know what's happening Monday. But if I'm not watching, it's not something I'm going to run, like, to the computer and see who's winning. You know what I mean? I'll find out after the fact.

[Anthony]

It's like, I don't care.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I get, you know, from that standpoint.

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Don Hahn and Rosenberg with you till 7 o'. Clock. 1-800-919-3776. Lot of fraud today on a Friday. So why don't we go to Jose in Brooklyn who's on ESPN New York. How are you Jose?

[I]

Good evening Don Allen. Oh man. So I'm here to go out and prom, you know, fulfill my promise and to put the great Dongwu Greco on fraudulent Friday trial. And I know you've already beaten this case but with the fact that there's new evidence and the fact that all these pressings are saying you're a lifelong Devil fan, I'm here to just challenge on the fact that you did once renounce your devil fandom and I know that it's a dream job. And by the way, congratulations, I am very proud of you and I was moving by what you said which was you can love someone, you can care for someone, but you can still call them a fraud. So in my opinion as a Devil's fan, who does remember that 2000 that, that Marty Brode last Stanley Stanley cup finals run where he lost to the Kings. I still remember of Don Juan McGregor's analysis and saying the devil's only one or the devil's. The main reason that they won was because the Rangers were too tired from being in two previous game seven series. And as a, you know, lifelong, you know, big Marty Brode fan and, and the reason I love that run is because that was the run that Marty Brode did it without Scott Stevens, Ben Neda Meyer and all the great defensemen that he had and he would kind of like putting that, you know, Jagir, you know, you know, kind of runs run and I thought it was marvelous what he did and that was why you know me as an irrational Devils fan at that time still call you Mr. Don Juan McGregor a fraud. I know I could be wrong but I'm just be putting it out there. And by the way to all the people everyone know I always see Don McGregor, I always chat with him, I always go out there and I'm not afraid to speak to people, speak to people in person. So and Donald Greco has always been gracious and always has been fun and the reason that I can go out and call up and feel comfortable in challenging him on air is because of the fact that I know he doesn't take it personal.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No. Thank you for your time, Jose. I also disagree if you're going to call me like the anti fan because my analysis was that the Rangers were hurt by playing two game sevens in 2012, leading into the Devil series. How does that make me a fraud, Allen? Even if I'm a die hard fan of the team, I can't analyze the sport.

[Anthony]

That's your job. I'm wondering where it was he said that you renounced your Devil fandom.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I never renounced. I just said that you got to put that to the side. I'm calling Ranger games. So, no, I'm no longer.

[Anthony]

You're not renouncing it. You're just. You're being a professor. I'm working now, right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I mean, especially like I. Listen, believe it or not, like, one of my best friends in the world is John Stark and he got me into the Devils and he had a problem in 2012 of, you know, me working with the Rangers and they're in the conference final and all that. Like, he didn't get it. He's not in the business. He kind of gave me the business for it. And I had people like, why weren't I. Why wasn't I pounding on the glass when Henrique scored when I was down there? Because I was right there when it happened. It's like, you don't get it. You just don't get it. Yeah, I'm working for the Rangers. I'm not a failure anymore. I am a professional doing my job. And I got. I gotta be honest with you, I grew up a Devil fan, but I'm still gonna be a professional. Like, just because I was a Devil fan, I'm now, I'm calling the game. I'm gonna call the Devils the same way I called the Rangers, the same way I would have called the Islanders if I got that job back in 2016. I'm gonna call the game the way the fans are gonna want it to be called and do the best job I can for it. But it's not like even. Even under those circumstances, not quite like being a fan. Like, I can, I can root for them now because it's the team that I'm working for, but I'm still a professional, you know, and if. And I'm. And if I have an opinion on this show that might go against them, like Michael has to with the Yankees, I'm going to analyze it as somebody that knows the sport, not just, you know, a fan that's just going to just be 100% always on the side of the Devils and everything that they do. If they make a trade and I don't think it's good, I'll probably say, I don't know if I would have Made that trade.

[Anthony]

You have to. You still got to be genuine.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I never understood why people believe that being a fan means you also have to be an apologist for the team and agree with everything that they do. It's kind of like, you know, being in this country, you know, does it mean I have to agree with everything that happens? I still love the country, but there are times I might disagree.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

With certain things. And. And as a fan of a team, like, I'm a fan of the Mets, but I'll be the first one to call them out.

[Anthony]

Was.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Am I supposed to just agree? Well, the same with Mendoza taking Peterson out because I'm a fan and I can't criticize my own team. I never understood that.

[Anthony]

I'm glad you're saying this, because I've tried to make this point many times, too. When. Whenever. It's like those of us who work for team broadcasts. And so right away, it's like, oh, you work for the team. No, I work for the network.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Anthony]

And the team approves that. I'm somebody in the. They have the right to say, yeah, we approved that he could be on the broadcast. And they did that back in 2011, when I left the newspaper business and went into it. And I'm forever grateful for it. But anybody that's followed me knows my track record. If I don't agree with something that the team does, I'm not just going to be. Well, I'm a company man, so whatever it is must be good. I've been on the record many times of saying I don't like the fact that Tom Thibodeau was fired.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Anthony]

Do you think that was an uncomfortable place to be when there I am at the training center interviewing Mike Brown. Do you think, you know, like, anybody was going to give me crap about. Nobody said a word.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No. Because they know you got a job.

[Anthony]

Professional, by the way, your role, especially my. It's analyst. I'm supposed to analyze things and discuss them and explain them, and that's my job. But they also respect the fact that I'm. When I'm at espn, I have a job to do there as well. Now, do I make it personal? Do I scream and yell and carry on like a lunatic? Do I. Do I stomp? Do I. Do I do all the calamity and all that garbage? No, I don't do that. Because I also would never do that anyway. But, like, Don, the same thing with you. If something's happening in the game and you're calling the game and I mean, Doc has done this. Sam has done this. We know Mike Breen does this. Ian Eagle, they. All the greats do it. If, if the team is not playing well, it's your job to. To point that out. Right. Just like it's Kenny Danico's job to also explain why this is. This is not right. This is going poorly. So, you know, this is New York. We do it differently here. We don't pull a broom out and say sweep. And in June.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I've said this many times. You know, 20 years working for the Rangers, 16 working for the Jets. I was never called on the carpet for anything.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

All I was ever asked, all they ever asked me to do. They never, never told you to shill for the team, never told you how to analyze or how to do it. All they ever asked was just be fair.

[Anthony]

Yep.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You know, I remember Greg Buttle telling me that, you know, the offensive line doesn't suck. Yeah, they're struggling.

[Anthony]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I'm still saying they're struggling. I'm not gonna tell you. I'm not gonna pee on your head and tell you it's raining. Right. That it's. I don't think people would appreciate that. I don't think the team would appreciate having announcers sugarcoating everything. You just be fair. And if the team's lost 10 in a row, I'm sorry, you're not gonna be able to come up with much positive if that's happening. And I'm glad you also distinguished the difference. Don't work. Never worked for the Rangers. I worked for msg.

[Anthony]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You don't work for the Knicks. You work for msg. I don't work for the Devils. I work for msg. But those teams do have a say on hiring you. But. So there's all they have, though. Everybody thinks there's an agenda. There's not.

[Anthony]

No, it's.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's opinion.

[Anthony]

It really is amazing to me. And it's the one. The one like you. You were given that the one piece of. Not advice, but more or less guidance I was given was don't make it personal. Your. Your job is your job, and everybody understands that and respects it. And there are times that I've said things where players been mad at me, players have come, have said things to me where even, like, coaches haven't been happy with me, like, oh, that. That does happen. But that's just. This is what we do. My answer is always the same thing, that when you play well, you'll know.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

I'll tell you like that's just how it is.

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