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Don Hahn
This is the Don Han at Rosenberg Podcast.
Don Rosenberg
That sounds like heaven to me.
Don Hahn
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8:80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
Don Rosenberg
5:04 in the big city. It is 5 o', clock. Don on and Rosenberg with you until 7. Then it's going to be Ty Butler filling in for Dan Grassa. I don't know if you saw this, guys. And Alan, this is kind of close to home for you. The Long Island Ducks have signed Trevor Bauer to a contract and he's going to be their pitcher for opening day.
Alan Hahn
They do this, the Ducks have done this over the years, is they brought in a lot of big names, you know, obviously guys looking for second chances or trying to make comebacks. This has been a part of Long Island Ducks history out there and they fill that stadium.
Don Rosenberg
Well, I remember the Long Island Ducks coming to Somerset to take on the Patriots when they were in the same league. And then the Patriots became part of the Yankee organization and went to Double A. But I remember, you know, the Newark Bears and the Long Island Ducks and the amazing thing is, and the Patriots did it a little bit too, is they would, as you said, to sign some of these guys just to try to get some fans. The Newark Bears were big on it. They'd bring in Jose Canseco and Ricky Henderson. And it would be amazing to just watch these guys in a tiny ballpark, you know, play. Some of them were on rehab, some of them were trying to make comebacks, and some of them just wanted to get a money grab. And now you've got Trevor Bauer back. And the reason I bring it up is not just because of the local angle with him signing with the Docs, is he never got another chance ever. And from what we can tell from the incidents back In June of 2021, pretty heinous domestic violence allegations, things like that. Nothing. He was never arrested for anything. But the fact that a guy who, I believe he won a Cy Young Award, I think it was during the COVID season.
Alan Hahn
Yes.
Don Rosenberg
And was a really good pitcher. And you see Some of the vile human beings that get second chances in sports. Nobody touched him. Nobody.
Peter Rosenberg
No.
Don Rosenberg
And the general feeling was if general managers and owners around Major League Baseball, all they want to do is win. They'd sign Haddam Hussein if it meant them to win a World Series.
Peter Rosenberg
It's a reference, all right?
Don Rosenberg
Wouldn't touch this guy with a 10 foot pole. What do they know what is out there that they know? Because you know, Major League Baseball has all the dough, right? They're doing the job, they're doing the work. So the fact that 30 teams in unison said, no, we're good.
Peter Rosenberg
We're all set here, folks.
Don Rosenberg
He's played in Mexico, he's played in Japan, now he's going to play for the Long Island Ducks. I believe he played in Korea.
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
Don Rosenberg
Alan? What now? I guess the things that he was accused of, though not illegal, where if it ever got out, you would not want him on your team. That's the only guess I had.
Peter Rosenberg
That's how it felt.
Don Rosenberg
They write. It just felt like, all right, it's nothing to go in prison for, but really do I want this guy on my team when we find out all the details of what this guy did? Now is that right? You're not a criminal and you can't get in yet. We've seen guys that have killed people, drinking and driving. We have seen guys that have cheated, we have seen guys that have beat their wives, guys that spent time in prison get second chances at all these sports. I just find it fascinating that Trevor Bauer is the one guy that never got it and now the ship sailed, right? But let's say he goes to the Long island because how old is he now?
Peter Rosenberg
Trevor Bauer?
Don Rosenberg
He is 35. 35? No, he's 35.
Peter Rosenberg
I guessed so if he's a day.
Don Rosenberg
So let's say he goes out there and every game he pitches this year, Alan, he pitches a perfect game. Yeah. And nobody signs him.
Peter Rosenberg
Are you gonna be like, how many perfect games?
Don Rosenberg
There we go. Seven.
Peter Rosenberg
All right, seven. Seven straight perfect seven or no seven perfect games.
Alan Hahn
Hasn't given up a hit, hasn't given up a walk. Just nobody can touch him. The stuff's that good, electric. This is like the rookie and you've got people.
Don Rosenberg
And I was looking at it in social media like, I'm not going to Long Island Duck games. Like he is a pariah. But there are people on the other side because there's always another side, right? Like we. Because we can't agree on anything in this country, especially when it comes to Things like this, where they're going to be people that root for him and think he deserves another chance. We open up the phones on this subject, there will be people like, how are we not giving him a chance? It's been so long now that nobody brings it up anymore. But you remember you probably did it with Bart, how many phone calls you would get back in the day. Second somebody on the Mets or Yankees gets hurt. Why aren't they calling Trevor Bauer? Why isn't Trevor Bauer getting a chance?
Alan Hahn
This was a thing I remember. Was it last year? But it's. This definitely was a thing for sure that that name came up all the time. Didn't it come up last season when the Yankees had their injuries and.
Don Rosenberg
Oh, I'm sure it did because again, if he's only 35, then it would be. You'd be 34.
Alan Hahn
Yeah, because they're just.
Don Rosenberg
He's continually gotten chances to pitch. He has pitched for, I guess he was in Korea in 23 and as recently as 25. But the last time he's pitched to major league baseball was with the Dodgers in 21.
Alan Hahn
And some people that scouts have said though that it's, it's just the stuff's not there. They've watched him wherever he's pitched and it's just there's nothing there. That's what it, that's what the suggestion has always been that it isn't as much as you think about the allegations and also his political leanings, which does also set some people off.
Don Rosenberg
But when does that ever stop someone from not getting a sniff?
Alan Hahn
Right.
Don Rosenberg
Again, now he's 35. He, you know, he hasn't pitched a major league baseball and going on, you know, six years.
Alan Hahn
Right.
Don Rosenberg
All right, I can understand that maybe he's lost it now, but in 22, 23, that nobody, nobody brought him in for a tryout. Nobody even kicked the tires on him.
Alan Hahn
No.
Don Rosenberg
So what? And you know these owners and you know these fans, if he goes out there and he pitches well for you, they're not going to care.
Alan Hahn
No, it's true. There'll be some that do. But for the most, all anybody cares about the end result, winning, they also care like it's. I used to love Rick. Rick's. Rick D. Pietro. One of his best lines that he would always use was to say like in this, in this, for, in this case, you know, if Jeffrey Dahmer could throw a hundred mile an hour fastballs that you couldn't hit, they would say, well, he just has an eating disorder, you know, like that, that's like you'd find some way to just downplay whatever the negative is because, you know, he can win. He wins for us. And that's what we like. We like winning.
Peter Rosenberg
Right.
Alan Hahn
So the Bauer thing to me is I gotta believe that scouts, of course scouts are watching him and they're going. It's just, you know, whatever he had is not there. But it's not worth it. But not worth. It's not worth the trouble that come with it.
Don Rosenberg
What? Again, we can't even make suggestions on the air.
Alan Hahn
No.
Don Rosenberg
But what could be non criminal but be so immoral and disgusting?
Alan Hahn
Well, if you, that you're like, I
Don Rosenberg
am not and I know the allegations.
Alan Hahn
Yeah. And you, if you saw the things that were discussed about things that he did that he claims were consensual, there was consent.
Don Rosenberg
Yeah, but they were, they were.
Alan Hahn
What are you, what are you doing?
Don Rosenberg
Because the consensual part is why he's not in prison.
Peter Rosenberg
Correct. But that. So I think that it. Well, there's two possibilities. Number one, it's what we're all saying right now, which is that, yes, it was consensual stuff, but it was violent and weird. And Strand. No one's associated with it. Then there's also they, you know, MLB did the work, they did the due diligence, and upon looking in further, without wanting to, you know, blow it up, they found other stuff that maybe went beyond the pale of that and said, you know what, he hasn't been charged for those things, but we know there's other stuff out there. We're not getting near it. All are, all are possible.
Alan Hahn
And nobody watched and said, you know, the arm isn't really that impressive anymore.
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, then there's the most important part. The juice isn't worth the squeeze because he's not that valuable anymore if he's 24. We have a conversation. When this all happened, he was what, 32?
Caller/Listener
31.
Peter Rosenberg
32.
Don Rosenberg
20. We asked. Oh, yeah.
Peter Rosenberg
30.
Don Rosenberg
31.
Caller/Listener
Wow.
Peter Rosenberg
That. It did happen. I will say I have a quick,
Don Rosenberg
though he's gone to Korea. I think it was Korea. Now he's playing for the Long Island Ducks. Nobody could find it out, but the second he signed with a Major League baseball team, then we'll find out what everything is. It is kind of just. It is kind of crazy. Again, I, I don't have any opinion on it. I don't know the man. I saw the allegations. It looks disgusting, immoral, terrible. You know.
Alan Hahn
Yeah, he's not a great guy. He's not A great guy, arrogant and all those things that, you know, you just. You don't really want to welcome this into your clubhouse.
Don Rosenberg
Understood. But other things have been welcomed in that have been immoral and disgusting and heinous.
Alan Hahn
You know, Ro, it is.
Don Rosenberg
It is kind of crazy. I always felt him to be kind of the outlier where not a chance, nobody. You could have lost everybody in your starting rotation and you're not calling him. Let's go to Jeff and Pat. Jog. You're on espn.
Caller Jeff
Hi. Hi, guys. You guys are wonderful. I've been. I've been taken to my birth to the Ducks here, my birthday. Every year for the past few years, I go to see some games. There's no way I can go to a Ducks game at this point. They're making him the showcase of the season. He's opening day pitcher. He's going to be miked up. They're excited to welcome him to New York. There is no way I can go to a game and root for someone like him. Not only was he given 194 game suspension that was reduced from what MLB wanted to give them initially. So there. He's probably one of the worst domestic abusers to come into baseball.
Peter Rosenberg
Well, how do you know that? Do you? I don't. I'm not asking that to be defensive. I'm asking out of ignorance. Do we know that he is in fact one of the worst?
Caller Jeff
Well, as far as. As far as what?
Peter Rosenberg
You mean suspension,
Caller Jeff
how many domestic abusers have been suspended for that long?
Don Rosenberg
Well, not many. They all seem to get either reduced or they serve their suspension. They all come back. They all.
Caller Jeff
That's a year and a half.
Don Rosenberg
Yeah, there was no.
Peter Rosenberg
It was a.
Don Rosenberg
It was a long time. And I'm with you, Jeff. I've got no problem with you saying what you want to do and you don't want to be there. And it's disgusting. I found it so interesting. Again, not now cuz it's been so many years. But at the time when that suspension was up again, we've seen some of the worst human beings just welcomed back. Get your second chance. Be your wife. Come on back. I guess you could say Ray Rice never got another chance, but I still believe a lot of that came with
Peter Rosenberg
the fact he was older.
Don Rosenberg
If he had been younger, but even after the video, if he was 26, you don't think at some point somebody would have brought him back?
Peter Rosenberg
This is just a theory of mine. I'm not saying this is based on anything accurate. I have a theory when there's photo evidence and people can't suspend disbelief, like, belief of it happening, it's impossible. Like, it's. You know, Chris Brown will be popular. Chris Brown has a fan base. Chris Brown sold out MetLife Stadium for his fans. But he will never do mainstream stuff, ever. Him and the Rihanna thing that happened, I think he was like 18, 19 years old. He beat. The pictures are too bad. The Ray Rice video. They're married. He's. Ray Rice has been spending his life talking to people about this, him and his wife together. He's never coming back because the videos too jarring. Either the videos too jarring or, you know, we were able to play the game and pretend where it didn't happen if we didn't see it. But when you see it, you can't play that game anymore. So the combination, though it is crazy, though, that with Bauer in particular, this one thing really seemed to end. The only other one that I'm thinking of that ended it. Wanda Franco. That appears to be death penalty.
Don Rosenberg
Yes.
Peter Rosenberg
That he was. He was engaging in sex acts with an underage girl. Much younger. Much younger underage girl. That seems to be death penalty.
Alan Hahn
We're not going to see him. Hard to forgive that.
Don Rosenberg
Right.
Peter Rosenberg
And that doesn't seem like. We'll see, but besides that, can you. I can't think of anyone where they're completely gone.
Alan Hahn
Domingo Herman. Wouldn't he. Wouldn't he. Somebody suspended for this?
Don Rosenberg
Yes.
Peter Rosenberg
Yes.
Alan Hahn
Right. The Yankee pitcher.
Don Rosenberg
Yes.
Peter Rosenberg
So, like, was that. Was that the slapping his wife at the event?
Don Rosenberg
Unfortunately, there's so many of them. I don't.
Alan Hahn
It wasn't a team event. Right. It was, I believe.
Peter Rosenberg
Hold on, hold on. Which. This is crazy, and I am mocking this, but I'm being serious. Which one shot the pillow and which one.
Don Rosenberg
That was. That was Chapman.
Peter Rosenberg
Chapman shot the pillow.
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
Peter Rosenberg
Domingo Herman slapped the wife at the party. This is. I mean, this is such a disturbing, insane thing that this is that. And you know what? It is. And not to get all. Like, we're already in the weeds of seriousness, but, like, while we're at it, like, this does just bring up a broader conversation of us as parents needing to talk to our boys about how they conduct themselves and dealing with being upset, anger, rejection, all we. We have entirely too many men. My entire algorithm, when I get in the Twitter world, is just men freaking out and fighting. Like, we have a problem with the fact that people do not know how to conduct themselves emotionally. And we see it so often in athletes who have been praised for all of their physical attributes who are also,
Alan Hahn
if you, you know, again, athletes at that level are also pursued heavily to a point where you feel like you, you know, can do anything, whatever you want.
Don Rosenberg
But the thing that it happens.
Peter Rosenberg
No one tells you how to be
Don Rosenberg
men, but no one's doing it.
Alan Hahn
It's also a small percentage.
Peter Rosenberg
It is, but it seems high relative
Alan Hahn
to the lot of attention.
Don Rosenberg
The nuance with power is. Think about it, it was consensual.
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
Don Rosenberg
So this abuse was accepted. So at some point you say to yourself, even though you're allowing me to do this, I can't do this.
Alan Hahn
This is disgusting. You would think at some point. But again, if that's what you're into too, and there are people that are just into things that are extremely physical. If that's what you're into, fine. But you also know you're a public figure. And at some point, you've got to know that this, you know, can't go down like this. But you also know with his behavior before all this came out, you know what he was like. This guy was all over. Do we forget how much on social media he loved to go at people?
Don Rosenberg
Oh, yeah, he was a nozzle. He's a nozzle for sure.
Alan Hahn
So.
Don Rosenberg
And again, I've got no problem with people never pitching.
Alan Hahn
Yeah, I get why people will say, I'm never. I'm not going to go to a game. But for the Ducks, this is, you know, again, it's a lightning rod. It draws attention. They have a history of having. Speaking, by the way, Donnie of Pulsar. He was so I actually covered their first championship. It was during a lockout. I had stuff to do. Newsday had me go cover them. I was down in Camden, New Jersey. They won their first whatever, the Atlantic League championship. Pulsar was on that team. Kevin Baez was on that team. Like, like they get. They usually get former major league players to come play for them.
Don Rosenberg
I will tell you, not that I know the Long Island Ducks in particular. Really, what I know about the Long Island Ducks is, you know, Chris King does their play by play.
Alan Hahn
King.
Don Rosenberg
But seeing how the Somerset Patriots are run back in the day, they. They're in touch with their fan base. They wouldn't do this unless they felt like their fan base would embrace it. Because this could end you as an independently league team. If all of a sudden nobody goes to your games, you're done.
Alan Hahn
You're right.
Don Rosenberg
So I'm sure they've got. What is their building hole, maybe seven, 8,000 people. They probably have about 5,000 season ticket holders. They probably have their phone numbers, right. Probably called them all up. So we're going to sign Trevor Bauer. Not only did they sign Trevor Barr, he's pitching on opening day. They must have gotten an overwhelming response. The fans were cool with this.
Alan Hahn
Maybe we're going to see.
Don Rosenberg
Well, we're going to find out for sure.
Alan Hahn
To find out what kind of response it gets.
Don Rosenberg
Brian and Milburn, you're on ESPN New York. What's up, Brian?
Caller/Listener
I'm a huge fan of y'. All. Gotta say that, you know, I don't
Caller Jeff
really like how he got blackball, even
Caller/Listener
though he did certain heinous. In our eyes, it's people in the world that's really into that. Y' all.
Alan Hahn
Listen. Yeah, I said that, bro. This is a culture. The people there are people into this. But he's a public figure. And once you know how people are going to react to it. But that's, that's. We're in that world of judgment. And I understand what you're saying, Brian. I totally get it. And that's probably why there's this pushback about why can't he get a second chance when other people who do some things that are also questionable, they can. I just think it's also. There's a sense of who he was, attitude wise, personality wise, arrogance wise. Nobody like that. And then I'm telling you, Brian, scouts watched him and said, yeah, it's. There's nothing there for us. Like, it's not worth. And dealing with all this, if the arm just doesn't have the same pop it used to have, you know what I mean?
Caller/Listener
Can I ask you a question?
Peter Rosenberg
Sure.
Caller/Listener
Lt Lawrence Teller, the great Lawrence Taylor, best player ever played in the NFL, did the same thing. Matter of fact, worse, with his underage girl. They still worship him to this day. To this day.
Peter Rosenberg
Well, according.
Don Rosenberg
I'm not.
Alan Hahn
Rings on his finger.
Don Rosenberg
I am in no position to defend Lawrence Taylor. I've told you, the juxtaposition of me idolizing him as a football player and just being completely disgusted by him as a human being. But I guess the argument is he called for a prostitute. They sent an underage prostitute and he didn't know her age. Now, does that make it right?
Peter Rosenberg
He was simply trying to call a prostitute.
Don Rosenberg
Listen, the fact that one of the greatest football players of all time, you know, is in like a Motel 6 calling a prostitute.
Peter Rosenberg
When was this, by the way?
Don Rosenberg
It's like 10 years ago.
Peter Rosenberg
No, no, but it was. It was.
Don Rosenberg
Did.
Peter Rosenberg
What was the worst thing that happened during. Lt's playing career was just drugs. Drugs, Right. That's a major part of it. You guys can't forget lt, the hero at the time, the worst thing we knew is that he'd done some cocaine. He did not have all the other stuff in 86 or 91 during his career. It wasn't happening then. It happened after. That does matter.
Alan Hahn
Yeah, it does matter. It's in your career. Like again for Bauer and he want to Cy Young and all this stuff starts happening.
Peter Rosenberg
And as he's getting over the hill, Alan. Right. As he's getting over the hill, it starts to happen.
Alan Hahn
Yep, yep.
Don Rosenberg
Listen, we all. I, I've always felt that the popularity of somebody is ultimately what decides how we feel about them. You know, Barry Bonds is a pariah because he did pds. Andy Pettit did hgh. And it's like, oh, he was just trying to recover from, from injury. He was just trying to help his team win. Why? Because he, you know, Barry Bonds is looked upon as a bad guy. Andy Pettit's looked upon as a really good guy. Everybody loves David Ortiz. So guess what? He waltzes into the hall of Fame where if they didn't like David Ortiz, they'd be saying, hey, listen, he was on the Mitchell Report. Can't put him in. So we hold our nose a little tighter when it's worth it. And I guess for Trevor Bauer, it wasn't worth it. 1-800-919-3776 more your calls on this. Phil Sims had some very interesting things to say earlier today on Barton Carlin. Enn. Coming up at 6 down on a Rosenberg till 7 on ESPN New York.
Alan Hahn
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Don Hahn
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Peter Rosenberg
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Alan Hahn
Let's see what he's doing now.
Don Rosenberg
Yeah, now he's completely in yacht rock.
Alan Hahn
Well, but it's also weather related. Windy, right? We had breezing.
Don Rosenberg
I don't think it has anything to do with now.
Alan Hahn
I'd like to win.
Don Rosenberg
Feeling it because I told you, I think the face of yacht rock and I've been yelled at by Peter for
Alan Hahn
this is Christopher Cross. Well, why wouldn't he be the face? Well, because you could argue sailing is literally. No, it's not the yacht rock anthem.
Peter Rosenberg
No, I mean it's up there. It's on the line. It's one of them. It's. It's one of a few. But he doesn't have enough catalog to be the.
Don Rosenberg
Yeah, but his catalog is.
Alan Hahn
He just. He. How many Grammys did he win that in that album?
Don Rosenberg
It's one of the greatest debut albums in the history of music.
Alan Hahn
And it, it, I, I do think it's what motivated the idea of calling it yacht rock.
Peter Rosenberg
Now ride like that. Now that. You know what, Alan?
Alan Hahn
That's my theory.
Peter Rosenberg
Al.
Don Rosenberg
Well, I just googled it.
Peter Rosenberg
It's a great call by OWN Sailing.
Don Rosenberg
Immediately I said the yacht rock anthem. It gave me sailing as the first one.
Alan Hahn
Okay, well, it's hard work is done here, by the way.
Peter Rosenberg
Real quick. I just want to point this out though, if we're gonna be Captain Literal Man.
Alan Hahn
Hang on A second.
Peter Rosenberg
I'm not a big. I'm not a big boater.
Alan Hahn
The screen guys. I just want to just. I got an itch.
Peter Rosenberg
You're not even back from breaking.
Alan Hahn
Don't worry about it.
Peter Rosenberg
But I'm not. I'm not a big boater. No, But I don't think yachts. I don't know if you sail on the. Do you sail on the yacht?
Don Rosenberg
But that's not what we're talking.
Peter Rosenberg
I just put as yacht rock, but it's not sail rock.
Don Rosenberg
It's just the song and what Christopher Cross represents. What I've always found interesting about Ride like the Wind is you could just replace it with I like to win. You wouldn't notice the difference.
Alan Hahn
Oh, that's what Stephanie does. Changes lyrics all the time.
Don Rosenberg
But there are people that probably think is, I like to win. Oh, this?
Alan Hahn
No, no, not that. No. Because that's not. I'm sailing.
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, sorry.
Don Rosenberg
Sorry. But right, Jacob. I like to win to be free again. I like to win to be free. Like, if it fits, it works.
Alan Hahn
I think you should re. I think you should write, like, a weird Al Don legreca version of Ride like the Wind should.
Don Rosenberg
Right.
Alan Hahn
I like.
Don Rosenberg
I wouldn't hate that now.
Alan Hahn
I think you should do that, Don. And. And then perform it at beach bash.
Don Rosenberg
Now, really, Michael McDonald is more the face because Michael McDonald is singing backup on, I think, every yacht rock song, even the. This one. The Ride like the wind.
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
Don Rosenberg
A long way to go.
Peter Rosenberg
Such a long way to go.
Don Rosenberg
Really. I think he sang back up more than he actually sang on songs that were his. Amazing.
Peter Rosenberg
Well, the funny. The funny part is it's all pretty good.
Alan Hahn
Residual.
Peter Rosenberg
I want to show Alan. I want to show Don something.
Alan Hahn
I want to show I'm not there. I don't think this is the day for you to show him.
Don Rosenberg
You know, sometimes my glasses.
Peter Rosenberg
You know, sometimes
Alan Hahn
I'd want to be there, too. Peter. I'd feel left out.
Peter Rosenberg
Sure. You know, sometimes I think Alan's, like, just over the top. Like, I'm just like he was with Rick for too long. Infantile sex jokes. But that was legitimately funny. And then you followed it up nicely, so. That's not what I'm teaching. Don't. I'm gonna show Doc. This is something he's incapable of learning, Alan.
Don Rosenberg
But I'm.
Peter Rosenberg
Do it. I had an opinion, and it's based on a lot of love and solid knowledge of the music. You both presented points, and I am going to concede the point and say I think you're right. Sailing does make sense as the quintessential yacht rock song. Don, that was called losing an argument. That was called conceding a point.
Alan Hahn
This is a big no, Alan.
Peter Rosenberg
This is important. I don't know. I don't think it'll do anything. I don't think it will, but it can be done, is the point.
Don Rosenberg
I have done it.
Peter Rosenberg
Well, I'll talk no with Nancy. We know you do it every time. Every time. The Washington Generals. Yo. Do you realize, Alan, that's part of why we'll never beat Don in an argument because he's never won one in his house.
Caller/Guest
That's the problem.
Don Rosenberg
Ever. That's right.
Alan Hahn
He needs to win somewhere. He's a Seven nights. He's the boy bully that beats everybody up in the schoolyard because when he goes home, his big brother's kicking the
Don Rosenberg
crap out of that street.
Peter Rosenberg
That's exactly right.
Alan Hahn
Like I'm taking it out on you.
Peter Rosenberg
He doesn't even. We were just talking to the break. He doesn't even try.
Don Rosenberg
No.
Peter Rosenberg
He gets home, she says, then he goes, you know what? You're right.
Alan Hahn
And listen, by the way, you've just given in, huh?
Peter Rosenberg
I'm pretty. Listen, I'm not exactly, you know, I'm not no Great War general. I'm no general so myself. The great General.
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
Peter Rosenberg
One of the greatest general.
Alan Hahn
So what wars did he win anyway?
Peter Rosenberg
Well, any. Every war. The only thing is, the only general I respect more, he left the family and he removed General from his name. He, of course, is sir Sesame. And I believe that, you know, because they're obviously related.
Don Rosenberg
Yes, very.
Peter Rosenberg
Sesame and the general are very related.
Don Rosenberg
Very close.
Peter Rosenberg
As I've gotten older guys, I used to be a SO guy. And after I read the story and heard what happened and tasted the slight difference, I've become a Sesame man myself.
Don Rosenberg
Guess what? I'm getting Chinese tonight.
Peter Rosenberg
That's all you needed?
Don Rosenberg
That's all I need.
Peter Rosenberg
He's in, folks. It's all. What is your Al. What is your. If you can choose one item.
Alan Hahn
I used to be a general. So, okay, I moved to Orange.
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, oh, by the way, that's the third cousin. That's the other family. That's the half brother. Is Orange. Orange.
Alan Hahn
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Orange. Orange is a good friend. But I. Every now and then, though, I will visit Sesame. I love every now and then just to change it up. Change up oranges. Orange is like a. That's a reliable friend.
Peter Rosenberg
Can I tell you, though, all of those dishes? The general. The great general.
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
Peter Rosenberg
Sesame, Uncle Sesame and Cousin Orange. All of them make me. Asian orange, if you will. All of them make me feel like such a. As Ray would say, such a slop. A pig. It's the. Cause you not only have. It's fried breading covered in sugar sauce that we lay on top of a bed of rice.
Alan Hahn
Sure, why not? More sugar.
Peter Rosenberg
So, like, I feel when I'm doing Chinese food, I'm like, I'm not gonna be terrible. That's when I do a chicken with broccoli or a beef with. To at least not do the breading. At least the breading's out.
Alan Hahn
Yeah, but see, you do that and when it's over, you're like, I'm not satisfied. I know it doesn't hit today.
Peter Rosenberg
It doesn't hit.
Alan Hahn
It's doing it.
Don Rosenberg
You go all.
Alan Hahn
You got to be all in or don't bother.
Don Rosenberg
Let me ask you this, then.
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
Don Rosenberg
Sweet and sour chicken. Is that like Chuck. Happy days. Where is he among the brothers.
Peter Rosenberg
It's a great.
Alan Hahn
Ever saw his face and then he all of a sudden just disappeared. They killed him off without killing them.
Don Rosenberg
The sweet and sour is a great.
Peter Rosenberg
Sweet and sour. Are brothers. Sweet and sour and orange. I'm sorry. Are brothers.
Alan Hahn
Yeah, I would agree with that. Sweet and sour is sort of like the gateway drug.
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, yeah. It was my first one. It's the gateway, but I don't like how they fry the sweet and sour.
Don Rosenberg
That's different.
Alan Hahn
Yeah, like it's tempura.
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, that's what it is.
Alan Hahn
It's more temporary.
Peter Rosenberg
It's more temporary style. You're right.
Alan Hahn
I actually it. It's delightful. If you just want a snack.
Peter Rosenberg
Just a. You just having a quick snack on some. You know what I mean?
Caller/Listener
You get.
Alan Hahn
You just get. Yeah, you get a pint of.
Peter Rosenberg
Now, I want to. I want to ask you guys.
Don Rosenberg
Yes.
Peter Rosenberg
Have either of you indulged yourself many times in a version of. People call it different things, but I believe the original version of it is the Grand Marnier. Shrimp,
Alan Hahn
Grandma.
Caller/Guest
Well, if you were invited to the bacchanal. We had.
Peter Rosenberg
Whose.
Caller/Guest
You took us, Peter.
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, to Chun Li.
Don Rosenberg
Yes.
Caller/Guest
At Chun Lee.
Peter Rosenberg
Is theirs called a Grand Marnier?
Caller/Guest
I think that's where we got it.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, that's where we got it.
Caller/Guest
That's the only place I know it exists.
Peter Rosenberg
Sorry.
Alan Hahn
When was this.
Caller/Guest
You weren't a part of this.
Peter Rosenberg
This is pre.
Don Rosenberg
You. But it was the K time.
Peter Rosenberg
This was. This was when I was. There were several things. I think. I don't remember if Don. I Think Don and Michael were offended that they weren't invited, even though Michael
Caller/Guest
was, I think, on the road. And Don said it would be nice to be asked, but I still would have said no.
Peter Rosenberg
And then I was also. And then Don killed me all afterwards because I didn't pick up the entire tab too.
Alan Hahn
Oh, my God.
Caller/Guest
Yes. That.
Peter Rosenberg
It was like nine people. It was like nine.
Caller/Guest
It was all the producers. JJ Devaney was brown sure there.
Peter Rosenberg
Of course. What?
Alan Hahn
Are you kidding me?
Peter Rosenberg
Do you even know?
Caller/Guest
I was just asking a question.
Alan Hahn
Sometimes he just appeared and you're like, wait.
Peter Rosenberg
And as now, maybe Don would change his tune, though, because since that meal happened, Don has indulged himself and enjoyed a meal at Chun Li and seen how ridiculously expensive.
Don Rosenberg
Oh, my God. I don't know.
Peter Rosenberg
And it's been up since then. It has went up.
Caller/Guest
I don't know if we had the Grand Marnier shrimp, though, when we went with Don.
Peter Rosenberg
What they are. What they are though, is they take big, crispy fried prawns and they drench them in a Grand Marnier flavored, like, sweet white sauce.
Caller/Guest
You need a toothbrush.
Peter Rosenberg
It is so. You need a toothbrush. Oh, it's so damn delicious. Yo, we are getting for the record, do you know how many people in this great state of ours, the Tri State, are going to be ordering Chinese food because of this conversation?
Don Rosenberg
Anybody that was on the fence now knows exactly what they're going to have.
Alan Hahn
It's so funny because we're taking Gracie out for her 18th birthday tonight.
Don Rosenberg
Oh, really?
Caller/Guest
Happy birthday.
Peter Rosenberg
Happy birthday, Gracie. What's the choice here?
Alan Hahn
Well, it's her favorite restaurant, Mateo's, so we're going there.
Peter Rosenberg
Okay.
Alan Hahn
But the problem is after this conversation, I'm like, I'm not feeling chicken parm anymore. I know I can. They don't have it on the menu, but I might have to order out. Just bring it is mine. If, like, they'll all have, you know, Italian. But mind if I get.
Don Rosenberg
There is something about talking about Chinese food.
Peter Rosenberg
I have respect, Alan, if you bring your own Chinese takeout to Mattel.
Alan Hahn
I couldn't do that today. He'd throw me out. Throw me out of the place.
Peter Rosenberg
That would be something. If you did.
Don Rosenberg
It would be. That would quite the move.
Alan Hahn
That would Kramer move. Yeah.
Peter Rosenberg
That would remind me of the time I was a child and our dear friends and neighbor who is a year older than me, Ari Lippman. We went A litman, not R.A. lippman. I don't know why that's so funny. My Family's defined as so funny that you just said that. Ari. His name is Ari.
Alan Hahn
But you said ra.
Peter Rosenberg
Did I say ra? Did he say Ari?
Don Rosenberg
It didn't sound like.
Peter Rosenberg
You heard Ari. Right?
Don Rosenberg
I heard Ari.
Peter Rosenberg
Ari Litman. Yeah. He's not R.A. dickey. It's R.A. lippman. No, Ari Lippman. We went to a restaurant.
Alan Hahn
Sounded like a financial advice.
Peter Rosenberg
We went to a restaurant called El Torito, and ari, at, like, 12 years old, ordered a hot dog.
Alan Hahn
Of course.
Peter Rosenberg
From El Torito.
Don Rosenberg
Marco.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. No. Would Marco still order a hot dog anywhere he could?
Don Rosenberg
We went out to lunch. He doesn't like bread. He's not a carbs guy.
Peter Rosenberg
Not a carb. Okay.
Alan Hahn
For him.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. It's a good start.
Don Rosenberg
He'll get two hot dogs for lunch.
Peter Rosenberg
What is he. What is he dipping them in?
Don Rosenberg
Nothing.
Alan Hahn
It's a choice. So then we go out.
Peter Rosenberg
Careful. I'm gonna need him. I'm gonna need him to work on this habit, though, before high school, because the joke. The jokes are gonna pick up.
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
Don Rosenberg
And then we go to dinner.
Peter Rosenberg
Two more hot dogs. No.
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
Peter Rosenberg
You gotta stop this.
Don Rosenberg
And Nancy's like, you had hot dogs for lunch? He's like, but the place that we went to, like, but they make a really good hot dog.
Peter Rosenberg
Make a good hot dog.
Alan Hahn
Of course.
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, my.
Caller/Guest
You have to tell him what happened to K when he wouldn't stop eating hot dogs when he was on the beat.
Peter Rosenberg
And what happened.
Caller/Guest
It became a problem.
Peter Rosenberg
Well, he only ate hot dogs. That's right. Yeah, you do. Hot dogs are. And they're also not great to like. You don't want to make your base, your diet around the hot dogs.
Don Rosenberg
No, I get it.
Alan Hahn
But probably not.
Don Rosenberg
He's eight and metabolism is through the roof.
Peter Rosenberg
It doesn't exist anymore.
Don Rosenberg
All right, more your calls on 1-800-919-3776. Ian at 6. Take you up to 7, then it's Ty Butler on ESPN New York.
Peter Rosenberg
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Caller/Listener
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Don Rosenberg
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Alan Hahn
It's Brian. An hour before he died, he was on the phone arguing with somebody.
Caller/Guest
This might be a hit.
Alan Hahn
You want the truth? They just want a conviction.
Don Rosenberg
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Peter Rosenberg
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Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.
Peter Rosenberg
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
Don Hahn
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
Don Rosenberg
All right, let's take a few phone calls as we get to the 6:00 clock hour and a big CNN. Let's go to Claude in Queens. You're on ESPN New York. Hi, Claude.
Caller/Listener
Whoa, what's up, guys? I'm more of a shrimp with lobster sauce guy. My wife 20 shrimp for 10 bucks.
Alan Hahn
Oh, that's not terrible.
Caller/Listener
Yeah, but it's kind of suspect. But I was calling with my that guy Thursday. Whatever. But I can't stand that guy. Not that I can't stand it, but it's really annoying when that guy calls Friday or Thursday after 3pm and tells me he's got an emergency and he needs my help and I got to do this for him and my whole plans just totally change because he's that guy. Peace out, fellas.
Peter Rosenberg
Thanks, man.
Don Rosenberg
I appreciate it.
Alan Hahn
He didn't name the guy.
Don Rosenberg
I named the guy.
Alan Hahn
But you know what? If it's a close friend, you're there, aren't you?
Don Rosenberg
Yeah, but it's. Does sometimes cross a line. Oh, yeah, like, enough already.
Alan Hahn
Yeah, I get it. But if, you know, like, look, Don, you have a good friend. They got a project going at the house. He needs a hand. You're going, of course.
Don Rosenberg
But if like every week you find yourself, you're.
Alan Hahn
Yeah. Then it becomes a bit.
Don Rosenberg
All of a sudden, a month later, he's got a new addition to his house and he got free labor and you feel like maybe.
Alan Hahn
Maybe a line was crossing, don't you? Now, you don't hesitate when you know you've got some work around the house that you got to get done.
Don Rosenberg
True.
Alan Hahn
And you need a hell extra hand. You know, I don't even hesitate to ask you. You owe me.
Don Rosenberg
Well, we'll see if he reciprocates.
Alan Hahn
All right.
Peter Rosenberg
I just had a dream I saw Ben Stiller last night.
Don Rosenberg
A dream.
Alan Hahn
Dream of Ben.
Don Rosenberg
Where'd you see him?
Peter Rosenberg
I forget where I was, but like, I was telling someone about the show and I was like, oh, look, there's Ben Stiller. He could tell you about the show. And Ben Stiller was like, yeah, I love the show. I don't know if that would be true, but in the dream, it happened.
Alan Hahn
Speaking of him, we do need to get him on before the playoffs, right?
Peter Rosenberg
I mean, you'd be the connect.
Alan Hahn
Yeah, we probably have to work on that. Tracy, you want more? You want Tracy Morgan or do you think. Do you think I. I've told him you got to come in studio because. Yeah, I think in studio he's a lot better than on the phone. Right? He. I think he'd be much better if he's just sitting there with us just doing. Being Tracy Morgan.
Don Rosenberg
I think everybody's better in person, but I think he would definitely be better.
Peter Rosenberg
I love Tracy. I've had him on at hot a million times. A million times. Sorry, we've only had him twice, but I don't. He's not going to stay on the rails. Like, that's not what Tracy does.
Alan Hahn
We don't want it. We don't want that.
Peter Rosenberg
But then you need him. That's why you need him in person.
Alan Hahn
That's why I said in studio.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. Can't be on the phone. It wouldn't. It wouldn't hit. Right.
Alan Hahn
Agree. Okay, we'll get to work.
Don Rosenberg
Alan.
Caller/Guest
Guys, speaking of food, did you see what I sent you in the group, and I don't know, look, this was posted today. I guess it could still be April Fools.
Peter Rosenberg
All right.
Caller/Guest
But tomorrow, of course, is Yankees opening day at the stadium. Yeah, so they wrote at Yankee Stadium on. On Twitter. Happy National Peanut Butter and jelly day. Oh, this home stand. You can get our limited edition peanut butter and bacon jelly burger.
Alan Hahn
Sorry, bacon what?
Caller/Guest
Double beef patty, cheddar cheese, miso peanut butter sauce, Melinda's habanero berry bacon jelly, sliced pickles, crispy fried onions, brioche bun. Would you try that?
Peter Rosenberg
No, no, I'm good.
Caller/Guest
Oh, found the number, by the way. Kris Kirschner put it out on the Athletic for free. The price of The Judge Burger. $22.
Peter Rosenberg
All right, all right.
Alan Hahn
We're right there.
Peter Rosenberg
Closer. It's not 99, at least.
Caller/Guest
I'm probably good on the burger, too, by the way.
Alan Hahn
I would definitely get the burger, but this, this. No, no, it's.
Don Rosenberg
It's excessive.
Alan Hahn
This. This is. This is a bastardized version of peanut butter and jelly.
Peter Rosenberg
Why? I just don't know. Why did baseball decide our sports? Not very popular. We're going to start serving disgusting food. We think this will solve the problem. I don't understand, Alan.
Alan Hahn
This is literally like, let's take all the things that we have in the. In the fixin's bar and just throw it on in between two pieces of bread.
Peter Rosenberg
This should work. We know we're having a tough time getting people to come to the game. We're thinking if we offer them disgusting and expensive food items.
Caller/Guest
I'm not against bacon jelly.
Alan Hahn
You know, come.
Peter Rosenberg
You're not against what?
Caller/Guest
The bacon jam. Like, bacon jam is delicious.
Peter Rosenberg
What's bacon jam?
Caller/Guest
It's essentially. I don't want to sound. It's jam with bacon pieces in it.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, like jam. Like, like, like, like, like jam. Like fruit jam.
Caller/Guest
You do the salty sweet. It does work for some things.
Peter Rosenberg
I see that. Okay.
Caller/Guest
Peanut butter sa the burgers.
Peter Rosenberg
Kind of imagine. I'm good.
Don Rosenberg
It all sounds.
Alan Hahn
It's a warm afternoon. It's the second inning. You are. You are devouring this. What would you say about sixth inning? We got a problem.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
Don Rosenberg
Obviously you can't take bites out of it, so you're going to need to knife and fork it. You're sitting there and it's in. It's in your lap. Do it in my pants.
Peter Rosenberg
You're going to have to stand at one of the, like, standing table somewhere. It's a pain in the ass.
Alan Hahn
And then it'll be a. Then later, it'll be a pain in the ace.
Peter Rosenberg
You know what?
Don Rosenberg
Go to a day game. Go out to dinner like a gentleman.
Alan Hahn
Right?
Peter Rosenberg
Don't even bother with.
Don Rosenberg
Yeah, let him stop it.
Peter Rosenberg
No, you want a hot dog? Get a hot dog.
Alan Hahn
The whole idea of the hot dog and the, and the Cracker Jacks or the popcorn is the fact that it's very. That's right. It's, it's, it's user friendly at a ballpark.
Peter Rosenberg
I don't remember the song saying, buy me some peanuts and a peanut butter jelly bacon burger.
Don Rosenberg
Not that I remember a simple Cracker Jack sauce.
Alan Hahn
It was actually in the original song, but it just. They couldn't find, find a rhyme, so they just took it out.
Don Rosenberg
Buy me some peanuts and helmet nachos.
Peter Rosenberg
Well, that's.
Caller/Guest
You do love the helmet nachos.
Peter Rosenberg
The helmet nacho at city, but that's portable. That, that makes sense.
Caller/Guest
I saw one with the Texas Rangers where there's a sombrero and there's nachos
Don Rosenberg
on the top of it.
Alan Hahn
That's really the sombrero that you can wear after you're done using it as a nacho holder is, is brilliant.
Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.
Peter Rosenberg
I don't want to know how the
Alan Hahn
sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good here.
Don Hahn
Mo More of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.
Hour 3: Trevor Bauer and Chicken Dishes
April 2, 2026
This episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg centers on two main threads: the controversial return of Trevor Bauer to New York baseball via the Long Island Ducks and a passionate, comedic debate about the merits and pitfalls of classic American-Chinese chicken dishes. The hosts and callers tackle both topics with the show's signature blend of candor, humor, and spirited New York attitude.
[00:44–18:35]
“If Jeffrey Dahmer could throw a hundred mile an hour fastballs... they would say, ‘well, he just has an eating disorder.’”
— Alan Hahn, [07:11]
[29:54–36:44]
[41:42–44:53]
Yacht Rock Debate
([25:04–29:51])
Tangentially, the crew debates whether Christopher Cross’s “Sailing” is the ultimate yacht rock song, and Alan jokingly suggests Don should write a parody called “I Like To Win.”
Childhood Food Choices
Peter and Don recall “Ari Lippman ordering a hot dog at El Torito” and Don’s son Marco’s two-hot-dogs-per-meal phase.
Ballpark Hot Takes
The hosts lambaste over-the-top stadium foods, calling for a return to simplicity (“buy me some peanuts and a peanut butter jelly bacon burger” mocked as a lost lyric).
Hour 3 of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg deftly weaves between the social, ethical, and personal—moving from a thoughtful, sometimes biting own on the state of American sports and scandal, to the lightness of food debates and nostalgic riffs on music and family. The hosts’ chemistry and signature New York sensibility make even the tough topics brisk, bracing, and entertaining for sports fans and casual listeners alike.