Hour 3: Yankees Feelings & Movies

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – October 14, 2025

Hour 3: Yankees Feelings & Movies
ESPN New York | Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, Don "La Greca"

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into two central themes:

1. The Fallout for Yankee Fans as the Blue Jays fall in the playoffs, and how that affects New York self-perception and future planning.
2. "Perfect Movies" Debate, as the crew, callers, and Tessa debate which films truly bring "all the feels."

With their signature blend of humor, passionate sports banter, pop culture tangents, and listener calls, Don, Hahn & Rosenberg keep the conversation lively and relatable.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Yankees Fans React to Blue Jays’ Postseason Collapse

• Feeling Worse or Better?

  • Should Yankees fans root for the Blue Jays now?
    • Rosenberg (02:31): “I think it would make my team look better if the Blue Jays won. …It makes the Yankees look bad that the Blue Jays have lost two games at home… The guys you couldn’t touch are getting batting practice in the first two games. …I’d be red hot if I were a Yankee fan.”
    • Alan (03:19): “Not great. No, not great at all. …Seeing them getting just absolutely boat raced... is not a good look either because now it really makes you question things about the Yankees.”
  • Emotionally Avoiding the Series
    • Peter (03:19): “I have purposely avoided this series… I just—I don’t have—It’s almost like a nauseating feeling because of the way the season ended for the Yankees. I don’t want to see the Blue Jays do well.”

• Was Toronto Just Extra-Prepped?

  • Alan (04:15): "Toronto looked at the series with the Yankees as their World Series… They got ambushed, they got jumped in Toronto, and that series was over in a blink. Now that they’re in a real series, you’re seeing they're not as good as the Yankees seemed to make them look."

• Lingering Questions About Yankees’ Direction

  • Caller Chris (11:25): "I kind of want the Blue Jays to get destroyed … because that means that Brian Cashman can look at it—‘We’re not as close as we think we are. We need to make a lot of adjustments.’ That’s what I feel."
  • Rosenberg (12:00): "God bless you, Chris. It doesn’t seem like Cashman is motivated by that."

• Cashman & The Yankees’ Assessment Mindset

  • Peter (12:17): “His assessment of the team rarely feels like it’s something that he—he takes the macro view. Instead, he just looks at numbers and pretends the numbers tell me that’s not who we are, when in fact your eyes tell you.”
  • Rosenberg (14:15): "At this level, it’s like trying to convince somebody not to believe in God. If they believe, they are totally in."

Timestamp Highlights

• [02:31–06:51] – Yankees/Blue Jays Postseason Fallout
• [11:19] – Caller Chris on Cashman’s big-picture responsibility

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2. Postseason Baseball Talk

• Dodgers’ Resilience vs. Others’ Inexperience

  • Rosenberg (06:07): “The Dodgers have no bullpen and yet…just shows you how talented they are.”
  • Peter (07:03): “You can be that team that's just good every year, but when they get to the playoffs…they don’t have the experience of success that makes you believe them. They gotta show you something.”

• Postseason Stats for Stars

  • Debates Ohtani and Judge’s lackluster playoff numbers.
  • Peter (09:32): "Ohtani's postseason batting average is .200, his slugging .378, OPS .723."
  • Rosenberg (10:18): "Another example of a surefire Hall of Famer that just can't come close to duplicating those numbers in the postseason."

Timestamp Highlights

• [06:51–11:12] – Dodgers as the standard; star postseason struggles

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3. "Perfect Movie" Debates & Pop Culture Banter

• Call-In Battles for the Best Feel-Good (Non-Animated) Movies

  • Caller Dove (16:01): “I have to hold you accountable, Peter. Did you finally watch Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid?”
    • Peter (16:23): “I didn’t. …It will happen.”
  • Caller Dove (16:56): “In terms of perfect movies that give you the feels, I’d offer Forrest Gump.”
    • Allen (17:09): “I’ll push back. …It ends with you in kind of a terrible mood. Like Back to the Future hits all the feels and you’re happy at the end.”
    • Peter (17:30): “The ending, though, is very sweet. I mean, his son tilting his head…”

• Forrest Gump vs. Back to the Future

  • Allen (17:44): “…three hours. Doesn’t get, feels like it doesn’t get buried. …just interesting enough.”
  • Rosenberg (18:15): “You see the kids age… It always gets referenced in movies and television. Everybody in the world has seen this. Everybody enjoys it for—not everybody loves Forrest Gump.”
  • Peter (19:02): “Both movies have a bit of an American timeline…some nostalgia. …Forrest Gump is, like, oddly sillier. …It’s overacted.”

• Michael J. Fox’s Range And Legacy Debated

  • Peter (21:20): “You’re going to tell me that you don’t see Alex P. Keaton in every single... it’s always Alex P. Keaton, just a different version.”
  • Allen (22:01): “Tom Hanks had the advantage and good fortune of having a 40 year career.”

• Courtroom Movie Moments

  • Caller Steve (25:28): "The perfect movie ever is My Cousin Vinny. …There isn’t one wasted second of writing in that entire movie."
    • Allen (26:13): “It’s a great movie.”
    • Rosenberg (26:31): “Nothing beats a good courtroom scene at the end of a movie, right? A Few Good Men. My Cousin Vinny, you muffin me…”
    • Discusses ‘A Time to Kill’ as a standout courtroom drama.

• Why "Lion King" Gets Disqualified

  • Tessa (29:38): “Guys, what’s wrong with Lion King, the original? Who has not sang that part when the monkey held Simba up? …That’s one of the great… It just—no, it is definitely up there.”
  • Rosenberg (30:30): “The reason I will not include it in this conversation is because cartoons are cheating, right?”
  • Allen (31:25): “First time I saw Lion King was freshman year of high school with my girlfriend…very different experience.”

Timestamp Highlights

• [16:01–22:25] – Movies that give "all the feels," key arguments and side-bar debates
• [25:28–28:21] – The courtroom genre: From My Cousin Vinny to A Time to Kill
• [29:38–31:47] – Lion King, animation, and emotional “cheating”

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4. Football Talk: Giants Moves, Rookie Quarterbacks & Trade Deadline

• Can Giants Find WR Help?

  • Allen (36:09): "The Giants are now at a place if you are Joe Shane… Are you finding receivers? Are you thinking—I got to get my guy a target with Neighbors out?"
  • Peter (36:26): "Maybe you start investing now instead of waiting for the off-season."
  • Rosenberg (45:33): “Why wouldn’t you want to give your quarterback the best chance to succeed?... If there’s a receiver that shakes loose … I’m not giving up a lot of draft capital.”

• Notable Names—But Not Exciting Ones

  • Peter (46:02): “Tyler Lockett. …Tennessee’s going nowhere, right? I mean, Brandon Cooks, no… Jacoby Myers. …Jets would love someone to take Lazard...”
  • Allen (46:34): “I know a perfect destination for Alan Lazard... send him right over to Pittsburgh.”

Timestamp Highlights

• [34:44–36:09] – Giants future, rookie QB growing pains, Jackson Dart's development
• [36:09–47:48] – Giants WR options, trade deadline possibilities

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Notable Quotes & Moments

On Yankees’ Blues:

• Rosenberg ([02:31]): “It would make my team look better if the Blue Jays won… but I think it makes the Yankees look bad that the Blue Jays have lost two games at home…”
• Peter ([03:19]): “I have purposely avoided this series. …It’s almost like a nauseating feeling because of the way the season ended.”

On Cashman’s Reluctance to Change:

• Peter ([12:17]): “His assessment of the team rarely feels like…he takes the macro view. Instead, he looks at numbers and pretends the numbers tell me that's not who we are—when your eyes tell you.”

Comparing Movie Emotions:

• Allen ([17:09]): "Back to the Future hits all the feels and you’re happy at the end. ...It's Forrest Gump, the journey on the way out is tough."
• Rosenberg ([18:50]): “Not everybody loves Forrest Gump. ...It is a little hokey.”
• Peter ([19:02]): “Both movies have a bit of an American timeline to them. ...Forrest Gump is, like, oddly sillier. It's overacted. Bubba's overacted. Lieutenant Dan's a bit much. It's...”

On Animation and Cheating Emotions

• Rosenberg ([30:30]): “The reason I will not include [Lion King] is because cartoons are cheating, right?”

On Giants’ Trade Deadline Approach

• Peter ([36:26]): “Maybe you start investing now instead of waiting for the off-season.”
• Allen ([46:34]): “I think I know a perfect destination for Alan Lazard...send him right over to Pittsburgh.”

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Listener Interaction Highlights

• Chris from Barnegat ([11:19]): Wrestles with rooting for a division rival and the hope that a Blue Jays meltdown forces Yankees management’s hand.
• Dove (now in Boston) ([16:01]): Holds Peter accountable for movie-watching promises; launches the "perfect feel-good movie" debate.
• Steve in the Car ([25:28]): Asserts "My Cousin Vinny" is flawless screenwriting.

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Tone & Style

• Camaraderie + Candidness: Constant ribbing between the hosts, plenty of pop-culture asides.
• Passionate, Self-Deprecating Sports Talk: Emotional investment in Yankees, Giants, and Jets, with equal parts sarcasm and sincerity.
• Diverse Topics, Seamless Shifts: From playoff pitching stats, to movie nostalgia, to trade deadline speculation.

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Timestamps Guide for Key Segments

• 02:31–06:51: Yankees/Blue Jays playoff fallout
• 11:19–14:45: Callers and the Cashman/Yankees conundrum
• 16:01–22:25: "Perfect movies" and the feels debate
• 25:28–28:21: Courtroom movies and iconic lines
• 29:38–31:47: Lion King and the animated films question
• 34:44–36:09: Giants, rookie QB growing pains
• 36:09–47:48: Giants WR options, trade deadline

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is essential listening for any New York sports fan struggling with postseason heartbreak, craving honest talk about team management, or simply enjoying timeless movie debates. Whether it’s dissecting how your rival’s loss reflects back on you, wondering if Cashman “gets it,” or reminiscing about the greatest courtroom scenes in cinema, Don, Hahn & Rosenberg make it all feel like a hanging at your neighborhood sports bar—complete with laughter, jabs, and real talk.

“Back to the Future hits all the feels and you’re happy at the end.”
— Alan (17:09)

“It’s like trying to convince somebody not to believe in God. If they believe, they are totally in.”
— Rosenberg (14:15)

Transcript

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[Rosenberg]

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[Peter]

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[Allen]

Which one?

[Peter]

What do you just play?

[Allen]

That was.

[Peter]

That's Wilma. Yeah, that's definitely a Wilma. Exactly the same.

[Rosenberg]

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[Allen]

No, that really is that.

[Peter]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Tessa]

Wow.

[Rosenberg]

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[Allen]

And we could have beat Seattle.

[Peter]

So you Think so, but I, I.

[Rosenberg]

Would, I would not. Not rooting in a sense of being happy that the Blue Jays won, but I think it would make my team look better if the Blue Jays won. I think it makes the Yankees look bad that the Blue Jays have lost two games at home that the, the Mariners have been able to bash Blue Jay pitching. The guys you couldn't touch are getting a pitching batting practice in the first two games of this series. Literally, I'd be red hot if I were a Yankee fan. Like, how come I can't? Why is Seattle doing it? We couldn't do it. Now some people are so disgusted by Toronto and how they danced on your grave that you want to see them lose. And I get that, but I don't have a dog in a fight. Allen does. How do you feel from a Yankees perspective that the Blue Jays are down oh two after losing two games at home?

[Peter]

Not great. No, not great at all. I think again, am I a fraud because I have purposely avoided this series. I haven't checked the score, I haven't watched a highlight, I haven't turned the game on if it was available to me to watch because I can't. Like I just, I don't have. It's like, like, it's almost like a nauseating feeling because of the way the season ended for the Yankees. I don't want to see the Blue Jays do well. But conversely, like you just said, seeing them getting just absolutely boat raced in the first two games is not a good look either because now it really makes you question things about the Yankees.

[Tessa]

Right?

[Peter]

But the one thing I do come back on as I, you know, as a. Again, Savage got smacked around and we were told by the end he saw his arm angle just, it's just, it's as if he created something somebody hit.

[Rosenberg]

Against him in five and a third.

[Peter]

And instead he's given up five runs. I had a feeling Toronto looked at the series with the Yankees as their World Series. That was their coming of age moment. That you could tell it was personal. I tried to tell when we talked about that series going into this, what was I saying? They got to watch out this Toronto, they want that. They wanted the Yankees. They're preparing for them. And you saw they were unbelievably prepared for everything the Yankees had for them pitching wise, especially starting pitching. Every single starter smacked them around, right? And they go into this series with Seattle and that's when you just kind of saw a team that went into a series scrambling to prepare because they didn't have a whole week off. So I just feel like they were ready for the Yankees. The Yankees were not ready for them. They got ambushed, they got jumped in Toronto, and that series was over in a blink. Now that they're in a real series, you're seeing they're not as good as the Yankees seem to make them look when they matched up. And some teams just have your numbers. Some teams just own you, whatever it is. But I, I. It frustrates me even more. But I am really caught in that in between of I don't want to watch because I don't. I did not want to see Toronto thrive. But I also don't know if I like the fact that they're not thriving because it makes that loss look even worse.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know how it doesn't now. I. But I get the other side of it. You hate this team and you don't want to see them win. You probably have no feeling about Seattle if you did. That was 20 something years ago.

[Peter]

None. Zero.

[Rosenberg]

And I know you got the Cal Raleigh.

[Peter]

It's over.

[Rosenberg]

The votes are in. It doesn't really matter. It's not gonna make a difference. But I would think you'd be rooting for the Mariners. But it doesn't make the Yankees look good. It doesn't?

[Peter]

No.

[Rosenberg]

So I still think Seattle can lose the Series. I think Toronto maybe feels good about just going home the other series. Great game last night. Two 1. Boy, the Dodgers figure it out, man. Like, they have no bullpen and yet they. They find a way. They. They talk about fundamentals, that that base is loaded. Double play. You don't see stuff like that. That was just. Imagine if the Yankees had done that. We'd be eviscerating how dumb they are. I don't know how the Dodgers survive these things. Just shows you how talented they are. But boy, the brewers, just such a good day. They went all six meetings with the Dodgers during the regular season, and now they've lost home field advantage. And up against it tonight. Not wanting to be in the same boat is the Blue Jays if they lose tonight. Crazy postseason baseball, man.

[Peter]

Again, Dodgers got to feel like the favorite still overall by everybody.

[Rosenberg]

I really thought it was the brewers, but the Cubs tested them, so they went the distance. Dodgers.

[Peter]

And what have you watched?

[Rosenberg]

Really been tested.

[Peter]

But what have you said? You said this about the Blue Jays and it's sort of coming to fruition here. And I think you have said this about the Brewers. You can be that team that's just good every year. But when they get to the playoffs, like they don't have the. They don't have the experience of success that makes you believe them. They gotta. They gotta. They gotta show you something. They gotta prove it. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

It's been forever.

[Peter]

One in forever. That's a real thing. So when they get to this point now, this is the final four. Now you get to this point. I do think experience usually wins out.

[Rosenberg]

It is kind of cool that we have, with the exception of the Dodgers, who are defending World Series champions. So you have that and a monster. And I think that adds the element of the. The evil empire, you hate them, you want them to lose kind of deal. Brewers have never won a World Series. Haven't been to a world series since 82. Okay. That's a long time ago, man. And then you've got the Blue Jays, haven't won since 93, haven't been to the World Series since then. And the Mariners, the only team in baseball not to even make it to the World Series. Right. This is the first time since oh, one they've made it this far. And then the loss to the Yankees, that team that won 116 games back in oh one. So you do have some new faces. And it does look like you'll have some interesting stories at least coming out of the American League. But I was hoping to get brewers and Mariners just because somebody's going to win their first World Series. That'd be kind of cool, right?

[Peter]

Is cool. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And I also have, you know, teams in the world series, that one never been there. One has only once, and that was back in 1982. But the Dodgers, I still feel like when it's all said and done, they just have it again.

[Peter]

They have the star power, they have the experience. They have so much depth, they figure it out like it's all there for them.

[Rosenberg]

Is Ohtani Judge, Take a look at his postseason numbers. Now, last year he got the hurt his shoulder in the World Series. I get that, but not great.

[Peter]

I never checked two of the greatest.

[Rosenberg]

Punch up his numbers. I haven't looked at them, but just seeing him in the. But I'll say he never played in the postseason with the Angels. So the last couple of years with the Dodgers, he got hurt in the World Series. But what. Without even looking at him, for me. Well, what are. What is postseason numbers?

[Peter]

All right, so this is only two years of postseason form. So it's not like he's got the same amount of games. Nowhere near judges.

[Rosenberg]

Judge has got like a hundred. Right.

[Peter]

I can't give you home runs and rbi, I got to give you the batting average. Everything else, I'm going to be an over under batting average of.201.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, no, I think it's over.201.

[Peter]

200.

[Allen]

Really?

[Peter]

Yeah. His slugging.378.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, man.

[Peter]

OPS is.723, which is like Volpe numbers.

[Rosenberg]

Now. 23 games, but he hasn't played a ton of games.

[Peter]

Now he's walked a ton.

[Rosenberg]

He's walked 19 walks and judges walked a ton too.

[Peter]

Yeah. And 34 strikeouts, though. So 34 strikeouts and 111 plate appearance.

[Rosenberg]

When did he hurt his shoulder in the World Series Was like game two.

[Peter]

Yes. It sounds about right. The slide into second base. Right.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter]

That was. No, that might have been game three.

[Rosenberg]

It was.

[Peter]

That was it. I thought it was the Yankees. Was that a Yankee Stadium was at the end of game two in Dodger Stadium.

[Allen]

It was game two.

[Peter]

It was game two. Okay.

[Rosenberg]

So the rest of game two, three and four. So it's not like you can use the shoulder as an excuse for anything. But the last, what, two playoff games last year. So again, not the sample size of Judge, but again, another example, whether you want to throw Barry Bonds, whether you want to throw Greg Maddox of a surefire hall of Fame player that just can't come close to duplicating those numbers in the postseason.

[Peter]

Crazy. Against the Mets, in that series against the Mets, we have. He had two home runs, right? Right. Eight hits in the six games.

[Rosenberg]

That's good.

[Peter]

Yeah, but that's it. Usually the numbers come up once you highlight everything. And so they give you the whole series, but it's. It's not going to do that for me.

[Rosenberg]

So not. Listen, he's heading. He's hitting.223 games. Crazy.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

1-800-919-3776, Chris in Barnegat. You're on ESPN, New York. What's up, Chris?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. So I think it's a really interesting question, Don, about the Yankees and how.

[Allen]

I'm supposed to feel.

[Caller]

I think. I think if it's. If it's not a division opponent, I think it's an easy decision. I think you don't care. You want them to go win the World Series and sweep every series after that. But since it's a division opponent, I kind of want them to struggle also.

[Tessa]

I.

[Caller]

On top of that, I think in an interesting way, I kind of want them to. I kind of want the Blue Jays to get destroyed as well, because that means that Brian Cashman can look at it. Be like, oh, we're not as close as we think we are. We need to make a lot of adjustments and a lot of improvements. I think that's. That's what I feel, but it's a very tough question.

[Rosenberg]

God bless you, Chris. It doesn't seem like Cashman is motivated by that.

[Peter]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

Like, look, you kicked the ball around in the World Series last year, and it took you to the trade deadline to finally improve the defense at third base. You're still kicking around for most of the season. I wonder if he's influenced like that.

[Peter]

But what. What he's. What he's doing is that's what. What you would think, like, a thoughtful general manager would do that. Like, you got to assess everything. You look well. All right, how did it end for us last year? What did it look like? And you, You, You. You can't just say, oh, that's not who we are. No, that's who you were all year. And it showed up at the worst possible time. So you want to fix that. Usually you go into an off season, say, hey, what. What do we have to address? What are the areas of concern for us? Instead, it was, can we resign? Soto? If we don't, what's our pivot? Our pivot is depth. We needed more depth. That was the pivot. It wasn't to really. They did, like you said, they didn't really address the problems because what happened was you started the season off and it was all torpedo bats and great offense, and it didn't have that. The ugly head didn't rear itself until June. Then you started seeing, there we are again. And that's when he was forced to say, we got to upgrade the defense. We got to get more athletic. We got it faster, whatever it was. And then the bullpen, which are all the things. It took him that long, I know, to address it. And that's where I just wonder. His assessment of the team rarely feels like it's something that he. He takes the macro view. Instead, he just looks at numbers and he pretends that the numbers tell me that's not who we are, when in fact, your eyes tell you. Right. Her members always says, listen with your eyes. Just look at the team, and you'll. You'll get all the answers you need.

[Rosenberg]

And I feel like Cashman would be stubborn with the Blue Jays, too, because it's not really about the defense. The thing that Toronto does, the Yankees don't do is bat on ball.

[Peter]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

They don't strike out, put the ball in play.

[Peter]

Yep.

[Rosenberg]

Yankees don't believe in that. And if the Blue Jays go on to lose this series, how many times the Blue Jays have struck out in the first two games of this series? I could tell you nine times. All right, so Cashfield will go, oh, they didn't strike out against the Mariners. And look, they still lost. It's tough to get some, but it's.

[Peter]

Almost like Springer and Varsho, the only ones that have struck out twice.

[Rosenberg]

I don't want to make. I don't want to make light of this, but I do think it's at this level, it's like trying to convince somebody to not believe in God. If they believe in God, they are totally in.

[Allen]

It's.

[Peter]

It's.

[Allen]

It's. It's a good way of putting it. It's convincing someone of a religious belief. You can't convince them with empirical data. It's God. It's. It's. They were taught it by their parents. This is who they are. They don't care that they lose every year. This is what they believe.

[Rosenberg]

Now they. But they believe they've got the data to back it up. I guess that's the difference.

[Allen]

Wins doesn't include winning the championship.

[Rosenberg]

No, because that's all. But this is where the God element comes in. It's the numbers you want to believe, forward your theory. Like, hey, I could tell you, listen, the Blue Jays didn't strike out the Yankee Series. That's why they beat you. Cashmere will counter and go, oh, but they didn't strike out the Mariners series, and they lost. They'll always find a number that convinces them that they're ultimately.

[Peter]

Well, you can make the numbers speak any language you want them to make, by the way you use them. But, I mean, they don't strike out a ton, but they have more strikeouts than they do hits in the series so far.

[Rosenberg]

Well, that's the problem, because they're getting shut down.

[Peter]

So they're not, you know, they are drawing walks, but they're not making contact. Getting on the base pads and creating the chaos is what their strength is. And that's, again, the Yankee pitching was not prepared for them. Clearly was not prepared for them.

[Rosenberg]

Let's go to Dove. He's up in Boston. You're on espn. What's up, Dov?

[Caller]

What's going on, guys?

Formerly Dove in Huntington, but now I'm up in Boston.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, what led to the move? You're not on the run, are you?

[Peter]

Oh, no, no, no, no. They.

[Caller]

They know where I am.

[Peter]

Okay.

[Tessa]

No, I.

[Peter]

Who are they, by the Way.

[Caller]

Doesn'T matter. A little bit of work. Trans transition, though.

[Rosenberg]

Good luck, man.

[Tessa]

Thank you.

[Caller]

Thank you.

[Tessa]

1. Nicole.

[Caller]

First of all, prayers out to Nick Mangold. I mean, he's one of my favorite players from my youth growing up. And, you know, you know, Godspeed. I hope he finds a donor and gets healthy as quickly as possible. Secondly, Peter, before I talk about this movie conversation, I have to check. A few weeks ago, you promised me that you would watch Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. I have to hold you accountable.

[Peter]

Get that.

[Caller]

Get done.

[Rosenberg]

Nearly 50 hours of flights over the last week. You couldn't carve an hour and 37 minutes.

[Allen]

I didn't remember in that context to do it. I was going to watch it at home with my wife.

[Rosenberg]

It's not going to happen, though.

[Allen]

No, it's. I promise it will happen. I pulled it up. I will tell you this dope. It made it to the search function on my Roku. There it is. Oh, I watch it on that. Okay, cool. Didn't happen. It will happen. You know what?

[Caller]

I appreciate that you.

[Tessa]

You.

[Caller]

You came to the table.

[Tessa]

You took.

[Rosenberg]

I'm here.

[Allen]

I'm ready. I'm ready.

[Caller]

So, secondly, in terms of, like, this. This idea of greatest movie or the feels that you can get, Sure. I would offer you Forrest Gump. That would be one that I would throw into the conversation. In terms of perfect movies that give you the feels.

[Allen]

I'll push back on this, though. And I love Forrest Gump. It certainly gives the feels. Perfect, though. It's very long and it gets very sad. It ends with you in kind of a terrible mood. Like Back to the Future hits all the feels, and you're happy at the end. It's Forrest Gump. The journey on the way out is tough.

[Peter]

Well, the ending, though, is very sweet. I mean, him son tilting his head.

[Rosenberg]

Terrific.

[Allen]

Bittersweet. It's. It's. But the death of Jenny is tough. The whole.

[Rosenberg]

That whole party, it's. It's close, but it. It's not.

[Allen]

It's also three hours.

[Rosenberg]

It doesn't get. Feels like it doesn't get buried in. In the sense of, you know, the imitation of Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump. But you just. How, Mike. My kids watch this show a little too. I think Maya is way too young.

[Allen]

But worst, gump is only 2 hours and 22 minutes.

[Rosenberg]

It feels longer.

[Peter]

Feels like it has an intermission.

[Rosenberg]

Henry. Danger.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, okay.

[Peter]

Oh, my God. They made like a million episodes.

[Rosenberg]

It was on. You see, the kids age. It's incredible. Like, it started in 2014 went to like, 21 or something like that. And. And the kids watch it on a loop. They had a scene where one of the. Because it's a superhero and one of the kids is a sidekick. He becomes a sidekick that there's a bad guy that can go back in time and he makes a time machine and there's a reference. And, Doc, that happens all the time. It always gets referenced in movies, in television. Everybody in the world has seen this. Everybody enjoys it for. Not everybody loves Forrest Gump.

[Allen]

No.

[Rosenberg]

4. It is a little hokey. It.

[Peter]

It's.

[Rosenberg]

It's not the same as.

[Allen]

Yeah, even though I love Forrest Gump, it's good. It's great. But like. Yeah, it's just interesting enough.

[Peter]

Both movies do have a bit of an American timeline to them. Yes, they do, right?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Some nostalgia and all that stuff. Yeah, it's. It's very similar in that way, but. Yeah.

[Allen]

But Forrest Gump is, like, oddly sillier. It's overacted. His. His characters overacted. Bubba's overacted. Lieutenant Dan's a bit much. It's.

[Rosenberg]

It's a lot.

[Allen]

It's. It's great. It's great.

[Rosenberg]

But you do find people that think it's. It is a bit much overall and not as beloved.

[Allen]

Never. I have never heard. The worst I've ever heard about Back to the Future is like, oh, yeah, it's. I love that movie. I don't have heard.

[Rosenberg]

You might hear somebody like, I'm tired of it because I've seen it 500 times.

[Allen]

I never heard that. I'm sure there are people who feel that way, but I never even hear that. Who gets. I don't think people even get tired of it. It's just. It's. It's eternal.

[Peter]

No one thinks a thing of the. The high school boy hanging out with the. The old crazy professor in the big.

[Rosenberg]

Do you want to hear.

[Peter]

You know what I mean? Like, no one thinks that, like, you, like, come on, Doc. Love him. It's a just very bizarre.

[Rosenberg]

Speaking about age, Christopher Lloyd was what, like 40?

[Allen]

He was like 7.

[Peter]

Yeah, but he definitely played the part well. But. But like, that. That's a lot of. That's a lot of overacting. That was a lot of. That's a lot of extra in that movie, too. But also the Grant. The father, you know, when it is still, like, hit one of these damn kids again. Right. Like, that's a very cliche character he was playing.

[Allen]

Yes.

[Peter]

A lot of that going on.

[Allen]

It's not Forrest Gump is.

[Peter]

Everything worked out great. He, he comes back in time and now he's got a nice car and his dad's now suddenly very successful.

[Allen]

And, but that's what the whole movie is. That, that's what the movie is.

[Peter]

I understand that, but that's what I'm.

[Allen]

Saying is the character Forrest Gump is a silly cliche. The character, like that's when you think of Tom Hanks, his greatest performances. It's one of the most iconic. It's not one of the greatest.

[Rosenberg]

The funny thing about, and I guess that shows the level of actor, God love Michael J. Fox. He's not Tom Hanks. No, no, because Tom, Tom Hanks doesn't, he doesn't have to wear Forrest Gump. It is an unbelievably huge movie. You, you can think of other characters he's played. Well, that's Tom Hanks because he's Tom Hanks.

[Allen]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

You know, Michael J. Fox, he was in a lot of things, but that's the first one that you're going to think of.

[Allen]

Every movie he makes.

[Peter]

Every movie he makes, though, he's talking to the same guy.

[Tessa]

Who?

[Allen]

Michael J.

[Rosenberg]

Fox.

[Peter]

Yeah, he's the same guy. I, I, you gotta admit, he's the same guy.

[Allen]

Is he the same guy in Casualties of War?

[Peter]

He's.

[Rosenberg]

Well, well, he's, he's always the good guy.

[Peter]

Yeah, he's always, he's squeaky clean.

[Rosenberg]

Did you see Casualties of War?

[Peter]

You're gonna tell me that you don't see Alex P. Keaton in every single, every time, Doc, Hollywood, like, it's always Alex P. Keaton, just a different version.

[Allen]

I don't even think Marty McFly is a lot like Alex P. Keaton.

[Peter]

Not just, you know what I mean?

[Rosenberg]

I don't. He's a likable guy. He's a good guy.

[Peter]

Not the yuppie, I don't think yuppie, but the kid.

[Rosenberg]

It would be hard for Tom Hanks. He never played the bad guy. He could never play the punk. He could never play the bully. Tom Hanks at least played the colonel in the Elvis movie. So that came off as a bad guy.

[Allen]

That's because Tom Hanks had the advantage and good fortune fortune of having a 40 year career. If you look at who Tom Hanks was in the period that Michael J. Fox was being Michael J. Fox.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah, Tom Hanks is Tom Hanks. Yeah, he was Bachelor party.

[Rosenberg]

But you're 25 to 30. We're being unfair. Like there's only like maybe four other actors we can throw out. That even compares to Tom Hanks, right? De Niro, Pacino, the greats.

[Allen]

In fact, I would say it speaks to Back to the future's greatness that it's truly an ensemble movie of just a bunch of great, you know. You know, no one's a huge megastar in it. Michael J. Fox is the biggest star. But really, it's just a bunch of really good actors.

[Rosenberg]

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[Allen]

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don, Han and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Allen]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. That kind of mood, that kind of day. Don Hanna, Rosenberg with you till 6:30.

[Peter]

This is Baby making music.

[Rosenberg]

Gotta turn out those lights. It's making baby time. Don, Han and Rosenberg. Don't shut them off all the way, baby. Just keep him Up a little bit. I want to see what I'm doing. I want to see where I'm going. I want to get this right, cuz I love you.

[Allen]

You don't know this song either, do you?

[Peter]

He's vibing though. He's vibing right down the road.

[Allen]

That was.

[Rosenberg]

That was. It was a thing. It's another one that I had to know the history to. To vibe off it.

[Allen]

Well, it's funny cuz I didn't know which d' Angelo song it was going to be. There's so many it could have been. I thought it was going to be something actually sexier than that that I thought it was gonna be. Feels like making love.

[Peter]

No, I'm gonna end it with how does it feel?

[Allen]

You know, how does it feel? Is the ultimate in sex.

[Rosenberg]

Okay, we got that to look forward to, which is nice. Let's go to Steve in the car. You're on espn. What's up, Steve? Sexy Steve.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. I hope you can hear me because my headphones are half dying. I just wanted to say that the like the perfect movie ever is my cousin Vinny. Because there isn't one wasted second of writing in that entire movie.

[Peter]

No, he might not.

[Allen]

It's not Back to the Future.

[Rosenberg]

It is iconic though, man. Great. I. I can't put it. Go ahead.

[Caller]

But hold on. Right, like even. Even points of the movie that you probably forgot about. Like the fight he gets into. The guy, the random guy who stiffs his girlfriend. Even that teaches you about his character and how he's able to see through people's BS and understand what's going on. Single second of that movie informs the.

Rest of the movie.

[Peter]

The line, I could use a good ass kicking. It's one of the best lines ever.

[Allen]

It's a great move.

[Rosenberg]

No, it is. It's great. Listen, I just think it's more of a compliment to Back to the Future that my cousin Vinny's not there, but.

[Allen]

Right. But it's still a great.

[Rosenberg]

It is it. There are other movies that have all the feels. It's. But some. But something's got to be number one. But my cousin Vinnie was.

[Allen]

It's a nice. It's up there. It's a great. It's not making with Top. Top of the tops for me, but it's really.

[Rosenberg]

And I don't know what it is for me. Nothing beats a good courtroom scene at the end of a movie. Right. Few good men. My cousin Vinnie, you muffin me.

[Allen]

You've done the right way.

[Peter]

It's so Good.

[Allen]

Very entertaining.

[Rosenberg]

What's the one? Matthew McConaughey and Sandra Bullock.

[Peter]

Oh, that's not Mississippi Burning.

[Rosenberg]

No, but that's. I was gonna say that, too.

[Peter]

Like that. Yeah. Damn it. Come on, man.

[Rosenberg]

It's right there. But Luckily, I've got IMDb up and I'll be able to find it.

[Peter]

He's so quick.

[Rosenberg]

Peter. You lay up.

[Peter]

Which also was very.

[Allen]

I don't remember the name, but it was like.

[Peter]

It's that same kind of story.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, but it's. It's the same kind of story because it's in the south. But it's.

[Allen]

Don. I'm sorry. Look at the TV. Is ov. 150 years old.

[Rosenberg]

Yes. Because he gets.

[Allen]

He was gray when he was 30, by the way. It looks like. So all day on that tv, it was Bobanovich and now Ovechki. It's the same person. Oh, my God. Talk about a face only a mother could look at.

[Peter]

Easy.

[Allen]

Good God.

[Peter]

Eastern Europeans have been through a lot.

[Allen]

Ovius had lived a charmed life. He's been rich for 20 years.

[Peter]

Yes. You know, time to kill.

[Allen]

Time to kill.

[Peter]

That was then, by the way. Intense movie.

[Rosenberg]

You should see. You haven't seen it, Peter.

[Peter]

That's very good.

[Allen]

I'm gonna kill.

[Peter]

I have.

[Allen]

You switch vibe of the court scene quite a bit. We started out as my cousin Vinnie.

[Rosenberg]

No, but very different court. But. But still, it's. There's something about a courtroom scene when justice is done right.

[Allen]

That hits that way more satisfying than real life courtrooms.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I think that's probably why it does. Although I can't honestly say that I've ever been on trial. Let's try to avoid that if we can.

[Peter]

That would help.

[Rosenberg]

Would he agree with that?

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Allen]

Have you got. You got. By the way, if you want to see a. You want to see a. On someone's head. What?

[Peter]

Excuse me.

[Allen]

Go take a look.

[Peter]

I want to dump that. Please do.

[Allen]

Please take a look at the president of Argentina who's been all over the Internet today because he's with Donald Trump. You have never seen a head of hair like what's going on with this guy.

[Peter]

But you. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Just had to find it. Yeah. The way.

[Allen]

What do you mean? That was exactly the right word.

[Peter]

Tight.

[Rosenberg]

I was just saying somebody took it back. It might have been the right word back, you know, while your dad was writing. The speech is for. It's just governed.

[Peter]

It's just no longer the right thing to say.

[Allen]

Little Miss Muffet. Just saying it's a real head of hair this guy's got.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, in a court of law to bring it all back, you would be found innocent of saying something.

[Allen]

Phil, I didn't mean anything by it.

[Rosenberg]

But the reality is you did. Okay, I can't get on board with this. But she's a friend of the show. Tessa and Wes Caldwell. You're on ESPN New York.

[Tessa]

God. What do you mean? Thanks so much for taking my call. What do you mean you can't get on board?

[Rosenberg]

I can't.

[Tessa]

What do you mean? My favorite movie?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, your favorite movie. What? What is your favorite movie? That's got all the feels.

[Tessa]

Guys, what's wrong with Lion King? The original? I mean, who. Who has not sang that part? When the monkey held Simba up. Come on.

[Rosenberg]

But I'm not. I'm not.

[Allen]

It's an all time classic.

[Rosenberg]

I'm not throwing cartoons in the mix. Right?

[Tessa]

Tell me you're not gonna let Maya watch that when she get a little older. Like it's a movie that you're gonna take 20 years ago.

[Allen]

It's an all time classic.

[Peter]

Every dad does it with his baby.

[Allen]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Every debt holds it up every day.

[Rosenberg]

Yes, movie.

[Tessa]

But you didn't do it. The twin told the baby up like that.

[Rosenberg]

Of course I did.

[Allen]

Everyone's had the moment.

[Rosenberg]

I gotta tell. I throw him in the air.

[Tessa]

But that's one of the great. It just. No, it is definitely up there.

[Rosenberg]

But the reason I will not include it in this conversation is because cartoons are cheating, right?

[Allen]

You can do whatever you want.

[Rosenberg]

Because I know. I do think there's something about the acting that sells it. In a cartoon, you could do whatever you want. Because I did see the whole remake where they did the live action. It's not.

[Peter]

Did you ever see it? Well, if you take. If you take Marco to the Broadway show.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Peter]

I went with Zach. That was a school trip.

[Rosenberg]

You saw it, Tessa.

[Peter]

Yeah, I want to Broadway.

[Tessa]

Yeah, I did. Yeah, it was good.

[Peter]

I took. I was a chaperone for Zach's class. Okay, fifth grade. Whatever. I went with him, sat with him, watched it. Got emotional at the end.

[Allen]

Oh, I bet.

[Peter]

Like, it was powerful.

[Tessa]

It's good. But Don is right. Cartoons do cheat. Like, the way they make their eyes look, and you're like, oh, my God. Like, even Puss and Boots, when his eyes got real big, like the crying eyes, I was like, holy smokes.

[Allen]

First time I saw. Let me tell you one thing. First time I saw Lion King was freshman year of high school with my girlfriend at the time. Very different experience than ever.

[Tessa]

Peter was cheating with that one.

[Allen]

No, you want about cheating with the experience.

[Tessa]

He's definitely trying to get some hugs.

[Allen]

That was. That was a different kind of experience. That was a hell of an experience.

[Rosenberg]

Did you wear it on your head? That's what I would ask.

[Allen]

You know what?

[Rosenberg]

This.

[Allen]

You know. Oh, go ahead, Tessa. Sorry.

[Tessa]

I'm so sorry, guys, because I was about to say something else.

[Rosenberg]

I moved.

[Tessa]

But I just have to say this. I'm telling you guys on Friday, I'm not joking. I know, Peter, you was around the world. But on Friday, I literally was about to, like, jump out the window because, you know, a lot of giants says we couldn't call in, and I'm, like, even trying to dial into YouTube, and, like, I couldn't even do it because my hands wouldn't even let me do it because it was just like. I'm like, we finally have a moment if we can't even call the radio. I was about to shoot on my ph off, so I'm very happy that everything is fine. But I do want to comment on two things really quickly. Every time Jackson Dart grabbed that ball, I'm gonna be honest with you. I was so happy, but I had my fingers over my eyes because I was so scared, like, is he gonna get hurt? So I love his style. I love what he played, but I'm very nervous. Is that gonna last?

[Rosenberg]

Like, Tessa, the answer is no, it's not gonna last. And people will tell you about RG3. Head first, diving for first down. Fans love it. Buildings pumped up, but did the last two games. We talked about it when you were away, Peter. The last two games. He's in concussion protocol. You're on your way to now missing games and missing time.

[Allen]

He's got to find the balance. He's not a runner in the way. He's not Jaden Daniels. He's got to find his. Baker Mayfield. That's where I think Jackson Dart would hope to be as a runner. Now, if you're trying to find something in your life, think about Amazon pickup, all right? It's the ultimate convenience play, because Amazon, you already have it, okay? But Amazon pickup takes the convenience to the next level. If you're pressed for time, you're on the go. Like, you know, I am crazy. 93 jobs, baby. @ home, I have things delivered to an Amazon locker, right? Amazon lockers and counters are located near you. No matter where your day takes you, the package is ready when you are. So if you're busy running around, work, family, baby, whatever it may be, for you. You're on the move. Amazon pickup like me will give you that flexibility to grab what you need between jobs, between things, between errands. Alright, maybe the baby's napping. Run out real quick and grab it. It's simple. Order online at checkout. Just choose the pickup location that's most convenient. You get an email confirmation when it's ready with instructions to pick it up quick, secure and always at no extra cost. Check it out for yourself. Go to Amazon.com pickup MVP to learn more. That's Amazon.com pickup MVP now real quick, Don. I know. I feel like we're going to keep having this Jackson Dart conversation about him as a runner. Isn't it funny how much nuance there is to the running thing? Like you look around the league and you see the guys who do it and who does it really well and can exceed at it. And with dart you see his ability to run but what he hasn't developed yet is the timing and know how of when to run. He's reliant on it at this point because you're still seeing those possessions when frankly I can tell he drops back. He's not making it through his progressions and he's 1, 2, it's getting too close. I'm out. And over time you hope he gets more comfortable. They give him the time and he picks his spots because I just don't see him being able to run all the time.

[Peter]

Right now he's playing college ball because the system that they have is what he's comfortable with from college.

[Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Peter]

And so his instincts right now are what he did in college, which is literally all that stuff. He was, he was running over people, running into people like that's just who he was. What he's learning and will have to learn is that the NFL, these guys are actually bigger than you and they're going to hurt you and your team doesn't want you to get hurt. As they evolve the playbook, I do think that stuff will curb more and watch in film, but he's just got to survive this early part. This is the piss and vinegar part of a rookie quarterback who has legs. He's going to. Josh Allen went through the same exact thing. I imagine Dable watches going, yeah, I've seen this before and we know we.

[Allen]

Got what is, what is Dart. 6,000, 263.

[Peter]

Yeah, he's not as big as Josh Allen's 6 5, like 230.

[Allen]

He can literally run people over.

[Peter]

Yeah, he is, he has stiff armed, you know, defenders but he also has tried to jump over people. Remember, he had to learn the hard way. Got to stop doing that. So I think it's just because Dart right now is going full muscle memory. And what he's doing, because this is what he played in college.

[Allen]

And because as dominant as you could be in college, every week, what you're up against is the biggest, fastest, best of everyone you would see in college. That's every game, every team, no matter who you play. The question is, will he develop into a guy who can sit back there in the pocket in the NFL and be able to sling, which we know it's rarefied air. There just aren't that many guys who can do it.

[Peter]

You know, we need to do. When we come back, the Giants are now at a place that if you are Joe Shane, trade deadlines coming. Are you finding receivers? Are you thinking to yourself, I got to get my guy a target with neighbors out?

[Allen]

Yep. No name.

[Peter]

Maybe you start investing now instead of waiting for the off season.

[Allen]

It's an interesting thought. Is there that team who has a piece that's going absolutely nowhere? Don't you hear Wilson?

[Peter]

Well, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying guys like him, we've already took. We've already knocked some teams into relegation.

[Allen]

Right.

[Peter]

We should start again. The buzzards start circling, start picking at the. The carcass.

[Rosenberg]

But there are guys there. I like Slayton holding on to the ball. I'd like Hyatt to get open the rest of the year. That's for sure.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Allen]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter]

Don Han, Rosenberg. We'll get back to your conversations in the call at 800-919-3776.

[Allen]

Where does this song make you want to hang out?

[Peter]

In the bath. You know what I mean?

[Allen]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter]

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They had a bathroom.

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[Rosenberg]

Johnny, we're excited. Tomorrow I'm gonna go to Sirius and I'm gonna record my DJing experience on Ozzy's Boneyard. Thanks, Dallin. Huh? Yes.

[Allen]

Oh, there you go.

[Rosenberg]

We got my 10 songs.

[Peter]

Now, how hard was it for you to pick your 10?

[Rosenberg]

I'm still doing it.

[Peter]

Oh, you haven't done it yet?

[Rosenberg]

No, I've. I've been doing.

[Peter]

It's. It's very difficult. I started with. I think I had 18. I had to get it down. I had to get nine in. And for me, getting nine in is like my favorite thing.

[Rosenberg]

Now, did you record it?

[Peter]

But it was. It. It was hard to do nine.

[Rosenberg]

Did you recorded it?

[Peter]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

Now, did they play the songs or you just recorded the drops and. And.

[Peter]

Yeah, yeah, you do. Yeah, you just do the ins and outs.

[Rosenberg]

Because I might want the vibe of hearing the song.

[Peter]

I did too, but it takes too much time.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, probably.

[Peter]

But when they put it together, like, the editing is phenomenal. And the first time I heard it, I was driving up to see Zach, and it just happened to just see. It was a Sunday morning. I'm like, let me just see if it happens to be. It was on.

[Rosenberg]

Oh.

[Peter]

So I got to hear it start to finish, which was unreal. It's. It's a. It's out of body experience. Because when I talk radio, it's fun music, though.

[Allen]

That's the vibe.

[Rosenberg]

Different. When I was in college, I had my heavy metal radio show, and I still have all the cassettes. They're in those little briefcases. I don't even know. They probably all disintegrated at this point. It was, you know, 30 something years ago. But I don't know if you did this, Peter, when you. When you DJ'd in college, it was almost like I was making my own mixtapes. So I'm playing all these great songs. Then I would, then I would throw the cassette in when I'm driving around. Except, you know, I'm narrating basically my own mixtape of the songs that I love. So maybe that would kind of take bring back memories. Hopefully it doesn't air like between three and seven. Hopefully I'll be able to tell them to put it on.

[Peter]

It's going to have several times.

[Rosenberg]

I would think so. So I'm looking forward to that. I'll get you the schedule, what errors, but I'm going to be doing the work tomorrow. Love it. Looking Forward to that. 1-800-919-3776. Let's get back to the busy phones. Let's talk to Danny in center port. You're on ESPN New York.

[Caller]

Hey guys, thanks for taking the call. I'm going to try to stay calm, Allen, because, you know, a lot of times please do. Really worked up and I, I would love to just have a football conversation with you guys. But all sincerity aside, I'm being really sincere here.

I am.

I am an organ donor and a type O. And before I hang up, if somebody in the station, if you could keep me on, give me that information again because there's nothing more in my life. I would love to do something to help out. I actually hit golf balls with Nick Mangold for about an hour on a range in Tampa and he is the nicest guy in the world. He plays golf with no golf shoes. He is the sweetest guy you could ever want to meet. I'm being sincere. I could get choked up saying it right now. If I can get home and talk to my wife and she would approve that. This is something in my heart that I would sincerely consider. I lost a really close family member to an organ issue and I became an organ donor immediately after I went through that. So I'm all on board. So if somebody could give me that information before we hang up, I would.

[Rosenberg]

Danny, what I'm going to do is when your call's over, so I'll let you make your point about Aaron Glenn. We're going to put you on hold and Anthony will give you that information. Okay?

[Caller]

I appreciate that, Don. So listen, man, you know we knew what we were getting into, right, guys, when we took on Aaron Glenn, all right? We knew where the risk it took. We knew what we were getting involved with a first year head coach. He's going to learn. He's going to take his lumps, right? I'm not Being delusional here, okay? There's no way I'm going to start pressing the issue that he needs to be replaced. And the offensive court coordinator is a mess. Let's be honest here, guys, and serious. Let's have a conversation. I'm not looking through rose colored glasses here. By, by all rights, right, Week one, you could have snuck out a win. You got, you got beat. They blew an egg against Buffalo, of course, but they were in a lot of these games. They got a break in Tampa, but they were still in the game and had a chance to make a stop to win the game and they couldn't do it. They lost on a last second field goal to Miami. Dallas was atrocious this week. They played hard and did not give up. So to hang this guy out to dry is insane. He's got them. Listen, I'm not giving him a pass. The penalties are a joke. He doesn't make them. He doesn't fumble the ball though. It's his players that are fumbling. Is he not 100% right yet? No, he's not. But to start talking about getting rid of him and he needs to be evaluated. Come on, man, he's a first year coach. He's had them in games.

[Tessa]

Right guys?

[Rosenberg]

He's got to be evaluated. Danny, I think he could be evaluated and you can criticize him. That's the only way he's going to learn. But they gave him a five year contract. Danny, you don't have to worry about it. They did not give him a five year contract. And now Woody Johnson, as rich as he is going to sit there and eat the last four years of the contract and then bring somebody else in and pay them similar money, if not more money. No, he's at least going to get a couple of years here. I'm not saying it's going to work.

[Allen]

I won't say at least two full years. Well, if he, if this year's bad, we don't see the signs of improvement. They start next year.

[Rosenberg]

Bad.

[Allen]

He's gone.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I, the reason I would bet on two full years is I don't know if he'll fire another coach in the middle of the season again because that just creates a ton of dysfunction.

[Allen]

I, I maintain now if he's. They don't show improvement this year. If they go 1 in 16 and show nothing. I'm telling you, there is a chance.

[Rosenberg]

It will end well if you go, you know, all in five to start the next season.

[Allen]

You don't think there's. If the right person were to become available in this off season. Now it seems like Mike Tomlin's off the table. Right. Like that was a cute thing we were talking about. That's out.

[Peter]

Why would he, why would he come here? Yeah, why would of all the jobs he could have this one.

[Allen]

Because to win in New York. Oh, it's a dream.

[Peter]

Stop it.

[Rosenberg]

You don't have to pay for a meal coming off. You know, you'll have the first overall pick. But it doesn't look like it's going to be any kind of slam dunk as far as the quarterbacks coming out are concerned. No, I, I, I, I think and I, and I don't think it'll be 1 in 16. I know it's 06 now. You've been in too many games Alan to all of a sudden they're just gonna, this is gonna be the way it's gonna go the rest of the year.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Mark my words, they will have one significant win this year.

[Peter]

Yeah, he's kind of I, I, I'm not all doomsday. I'm more doomsday at the very top of the organization. I'm not doomsday about everything but you know, like I, I, you know Mel, Mel's got his big board out. You know we see the quarterbacks there. You start, you know you're going to start paying attention now to quarterbacks as this is the right of passes for every jets fan. Every year it seems is what we do about once we get to about Halloween we become big time college football. Now we love college football consumers but can I drag us though back to the real quick here please to the Giants and wide receiver search conversations like do we feel there should be some urgency on Joe Shane about what, you know, what they do before the deadline and should they consider if there's a wide receiver to get.

[Rosenberg]

I got to see who it is. But why wouldn't you? Well, wouldn't you want to give your quarterback the best chance to succeed? Now I don't know what it'll cost. I'm not, you know, giving up a lot of draft capital for it. But if there's a receiver that shakes.

[Peter]

Loose, Shefty feels there's going to be a very busy trade deadline line.

[Rosenberg]

Okay. Why not? Because it's all we talk about. Of course.

[Peter]

I mean look, the names I'm giving you, you're not going to fall.

[Allen]

Give me something sexy.

[Peter]

Tyler Lockett.

[Rosenberg]

I mean not bad, not bad at all.

[Allen]

I'm not, I don't have movement.

[Peter]

Pete Carroll loved him Right.

[Allen]

Yeah. Well, it was a little while ago, but.

[Peter]

Yeah, yeah, but I mean, again, Tennessee's going nowhere, right? I mean, Brandon Cooks. No, you know, that's. That was once Jacoby Myers. Right. Like, that's what you're getting here. And of course, the jets.

[Rosenberg]

Will.

[Peter]

Would love for somebody to take on Lazard, but, you know, I fear the Giants. I don't know.

[Allen]

I know where you could. I know a perfect destination for Alan Lazard.

[Peter]

Yeah, we do, don't we?

[Allen]

I think I know a Play. The old 412 buddy sent him right over to Pittsburgh. Yeah, we know exactly where he go, by the way. No disrespect, he's been fine, but that's why he came to this team.

[Peter]

But that's that, like the best you can do here, you know, tight ends.

[Allen]

Which, you know, they've not had.

[Peter]

Yeah, but. But I think we know he loves Johnson, right? That's. They have that connection. And the other one's. He's not terrible.

[Rosenberg]

They'd be good. But Bellinger's been good.

[Peter]

Bellinger, That's. I keep. Again, I. Behringer.

[Rosenberg]

I agree with Tom Behringer.

[Peter]

Tom Behringer, excellent. Right?

[Rosenberg]

So.

[Peter]

But I mean, think of some of these. Like, the Joker would be a very interesting pickup. That would be.

[Rosenberg]

But again, that's going to. But you got to.

[Peter]

It's like either. Can you get a tight end? Can you get, like. I don't know if you need a running back help as much, but I just. If you could find either a tight end or a wide receiver that can just upgrade you a little bit and give the kid at least another target that tells your team, hey, you know what? We're all in. We're trying to win now. We're trying to do something here. We believe in this kid. We believe in what this team can be. Agree or disagree?

[Rosenberg]

No, I. I just feel like as much as possible.

[Peter]

Got to make them all right. So that's all I wanted to say.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.

[Don Hahn]

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