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Don La Greca
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Peter Rosenberg
Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.
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Alan Hahn
That sounds like heaven to me.
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Peter Rosenberg
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
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Alan Hahn
Game time is brought to you by Teleportu Irish Whiskey because when it's game time guys, it's Tully time. The Mets close out their series with the Braves coverage immediately following us on 880 at 6:35 Yankees Angels this afternoon goes the Yankees Way. They win 7:3 ending their six game losing streak while the Liberty Play host to the mercury at 7 o' clock. Tullamore due the original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast matured Irish Whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew Honey during today's action. Glasses up to enjoying Tullamore due responsibly. So as I mentioned, the Yankees win, so no sense in really diving into last night. Although last night was not good. Again not being able to get a big hit. The Volpe error Allen was disturbing. Not only that's a double play that gets him out of the innings, keeps it a 22 game right. He boots it and then throws it away. They were lucky to only allow just the one run there, but still can't get the equalizer, lose their sixth consecutive. So he's not hitting, boots the ball. That costs them, you know, literally the game. And then today he was over three with an RBI ground out. So things not good for Volpe. But the Yankees do put it together. Rodon looks good. Grisham and Goldschmidt with home runs and the Yankees finally win a game for the first time in a week.
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Don La Greca
Cashman said something interesting before I think this was the after after before even last night's game because you know it's always going to be now about like the next game and the next year and they're all trying to say all the right things. And Cash called it a rough patch. Oh yeah, and he used phrases like, you know, these guys care, we're grinding through it, all that stuff. Fight well we'll fight our way through it. You know that kind of, you know.
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Alan Hahn
Like when the door said, yeah, it's.
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Don La Greca
Just, you know, that kind of rhetoric. We're playing against pros. No one's going to give us anything. We have to take it. Like, very bizarre stuff to say here because it's, it seems like that's not really how baseball works. You're not really telling me anything. You're just giving me a lot of words here. Guys will keep fighting and working and focusing. Like, I wish he would say something of substance. And it all feels like a lot of rhetoric through losing rather than just acknowledging some things, right? Like you're the general manager of the team and you have built this team. You just got to the World Series last year. It's your first sign of trouble for the season. But the sign is an obvious, hey, I know what that looks like. That's what we looked like last year and we never want to look like that again. Why is this happening? And he's using rhetoric like rough patch and hey, we're playing other pros too. No one's going to give us anything. We got to go out there and take it. But our guys work hard. It just, it felt very patronizing some of the comments he made. And I, you know, I don't know. And of course the trade deadline stuff people ask him about, he's going to say the same thing about that. But I just don't understand why that. And you, John, you said it yesterday and I really felt like you said it best. The Yankees are really terrible about messaging. They are so corporate in their responses. They sound like somebody in HR wrote a statement for you to read. And all of it has to do with keeping everything positive and deflecting away from negative and not acknowledging thing that all of us see. We're not idiots. We know what's going on. The Volpe boot. I felt bad for the kid. I really did. Because you could see it the minute it happened. You saw it in his eyes. He's already fighting it. And now that happens. The look in his eyes told me. And then he had an at bat. If you saw. And he was just an absolute, like he was a mental mess during that at bat because he's like trying to make up for it. And I felt bad for the kid. But you know what? You only scored two runs like that. That error shouldn't cost you the game, but it did because your offense has been just God awful. Now they finally break through. They do it against a bad bullpen. They were able to attack on runs late. And that was good to see. But I Just like these are the moments that kind of frustrate me about the Yankees, because as an organization, they just can't speak plainly when they aren't doing well. And that bothers me as a fan. I always feel like you're talking down to me or you just pat me on the head saying, hey, Sonny, it's 162 games. Go on, go on. Come back later when you're happy because we're hitting home runs again. And that annoys me. Just speak plainly about what's going on with your organization.
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Alan Hahn
Well, because from Boone standpoint, and even the Yankees from Cashman, when you're analytically driven, you know, these are the numbers. It's going to be okay. Everything's fine. You know, we. We've built a team here, it's going to work. And then when we get to the playoffs, it's a crapshoot. So don't blame us for not being able to win a championship. But the thing with Brian is Brian built this team, so he's not going to criticize himself. He's going to believe ultimately I built the team. If they don't win, it's not on me. They're supposed to win. I got the right players. That's always been the attitude, I think of Brian, is that, hey, we've worked really hard and we've put this team together. We believe it's a good enough team to win. Don't tell me I'm wrong on June 18th. Ultimately, we'll see. And then when you get to the playoffs, the answer is always, well, we built a good enough team over 162 to go to the playoffs. Went to the World Series last year, didn't cut the breaks. We lost. You know, we didn't go to the playoffs in 23. We had too many injuries. But think about the end of the season, guys. Peter, you've gone through it. It's always. We had injuries. There's always some excuse or that we didn't get the breaks because it's about building the 162, and they're always going to look at you. And that's why you get the impression like they're talking down to you, because in a way, they are to this effect of we're in first place. What are you worried about? We built a good enough team. This is baseball, Susan. Things don't work out sometimes, but we're still okay. We're in first place. We went to the World Series last year. Yeah, I built the good enough team. What are you worried about? There's always going to be something. And then if they, if they go and they win, well, they were supposed to win. If they don't win, there'll be some, oh, we had too many injuries, or we didn't get the breaks, or we didn't get the calls or the opportunity. There's always some excuse that, but it's never, that's the problem with this organization, Peter. It's never I screwed up. It's never, I made the wrong call. I, I, I didn't get the right player, you know? And, you know, they'll say things like, at the end of the day, it's on me, but yet all the things that you say makes it seem like it's not on you.
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Don La Greca
Not on you. Right.
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Michael Kay
Well, I, the only thing I'll push back on what Don just said was I don't think at this point, if they won, it would be they supposed, they're supposed to win. I think it would, I think it would feel much different than that. It's, it's been too long. They can pretend they have that mantra at this, everyone knows at this point that they're supposed to win.
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Alan Hahn
Well, what am I. And I know it was a long time ago, and I don't want to hold him to something he said a few years ago, but this is coming from Brian Cashman, who said, it's not about a championship, it's about championships. So the attitude should be we're supposed to win because he's already got them, apparently on the path to win multiple championships. That's why he didn't make that move. That's why he didn't make this trade, because he didn't feel like he had to. And that's the pressure on Volpe. Guys is that not only is Volpe a local kid, not only is he playing a hollowed position that was made famous by Derek Jeter. Think of the players that they could have went out and got via free agency. They didn't because we were told we don't need to do that. Volpe's coming. And Volpe hasn't been bad. He's got a Gold glove. He hit 20 home runs his rookie year, and if you look at his numbers, they're very solid for a shortstop. But could they have gotten a better shortstop in free agency over the last couple of years? We were told that we don't need a shortstop. We got a shortstop. That's what, that's why Cashman gets hammered when they didn't have a left fielder, you know, and Verdugo's playing left field when it's like, oh, well, we don't need. We don't need Bryce Harper. We got plenty of outfielders, but I'm not. Meanwhile, for two, three years, you went actually short an outfielder.
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Don La Greca
I'm not going to hammer Volpe. I'm not going to hammer him.
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Alan Hahn
Well, I'm not going to hammer him, but at the same. But I empathize with him, Allen, because it's not just playing shortstop for the New York Yankees. It's a local kid playing shortstop for the New York Yankees. And we were told we don't need anything because this kid's going to be great and he's been good. But has he been great? Has he been what we were sold he was going to be? And I'm sure that's got a wear on him because everything he does is going to be measured not just against Derek Jeter, but against all the shortstops they could have had if they were aggressive in free agency and didn't do it because they knew Volpe was coming. They didn't want to landlock Volpe.
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Don La Greca
But again, when you have the budget that they have, you still have to have players that come up through your system that you develop and turn into starters and guys you can rely on so you could spend it in the places that you desperately need to spend it. That's a lot harder or maybe you don't have in your system. It all comes back to me. The same thing is like, is your money being spent wisely? But all I wanted to see was that the Yankees, how are they going to get themselves out of this thing? This series was already a disaster. The series against the Red Sox, the six games against the Red Sox were a disaster. And they're in a soft part of their schedule right now. And the Orioles are coming up, man, and, you know, again, like you said about the Braves, all right, hammer them and keep them down, but don't give them life. And so like, all right, so they're going to use words like fight through it and all that stuff. Okay, well, let's see more of that and we're done. Got you a good start. Not a great one, but a good one. And it just got to now keep it rolling and all this talk goes away. If a week from now they, you know, the turbulence is gone and they look more like themselves again. They are starting to hit the home runs again, I believe. What? There was one today. No, go to right. It was Goldschmidt and it was Russia. Grisham and so the home runs are starting to come back around. Like to see Judge. Judge did get a double later in the game and ended up coming around the score. But, you know, that's the stuff you want to see is just get back then into the cycle of who you are offensively, which is the best offensive team in the sport. That's. That's all you're looking for. All this stuff goes away, but it doesn't mean that when it happens for everybody out there that just wants to get mad at us because it's only June, you can't say it's only June, but when what it looks like over the span of six games is what it looked like last year when it was the worst of times, especially in the World Series, when you were mocked, embarrassed and laughed at. You can't be that team again. So when it starts to show, somebody's got to recognize it and eventually say, guys, we cannot play like that. We can't be that team.
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Alan Hahn
You don't want to know that. It's. It's lurking. And if it does happen again in a big spot, we could always remember in June.
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Don La Greca
Exactly.
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Alan Hahn
Remember that six game losing streak. So there's that. So after the game, Boone spoke. Any relief in snapping the losing streak?
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Aaron Boone
Yeah, it's great to win, really. There's no like panic or anything in that room. Like, we understand, we go through it. It's been an adverse week for us, a week in which we're pitching really well, doing a lot of things well. We've made some mistakes along the way. Broke out a little bit more here these last couple days, but definitely good to salvage one and shake hands at the end and, you know, hopefully get it going.
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Don La Greca
He's awesome.
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Michael Kay
Can I, can I still.
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Don La Greca
He's so good. He really is.
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Michael Kay
Even though they won an art great national, nightmare may be over. Anthony, during enn. Can you still get me the audio of that answer you sent us last night? Because I need to play it.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, yeah, we could do that.
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Michael Kay
Well, I just need that we need to break it down because it was, it was Boone speaking boonies. In a way, it was some of the finest boonies you'll ever hear. Oh, come on.
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Don La Greca
I like a, you know, I like a good boonies.
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Michael Kay
Well. And not everyone speaks it, you know, but we have, we have a man. I happen to speak fluent boonies. And I'll break it down to you during enn.
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Alan Hahn
Well, you know what, While we're doing that, what led Boone to the offensive success?
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Aaron Boone
You know, a little more patience Obviously, you got to be patient with Anderson, who's going to kind of try and destroy your timing and mess with you. I thought we were a little better in that regard last night too. Like, so carrying that in still didn't completely break through and, you know, had a chance to really have a big day, but, you know, to hit a couple balls out of the ballpark, pressure them a little bit more, you know, more guys up and down, being in on the act. That was good.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. But again, like last night, two runs, two home runs. You know, today they were able to get things going with the back to back home runs from Grisham and Goldschmidt. Although they did manufacture some runs beyond the home run. Yeah, which I think that's when honestly, not to, you know, they like to get really technical with it because they want to tell you they're seeing things that we can't see. But what I look at is, are they manufacturing runs? Are they finding something other than the home run to carry you? Because that's been the problem in the postseason for me, is that you're so reliant on the home run. The pitching gets better.
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Don La Greca
That's right.
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Alan Hahn
And the home runs aren't there. And because you're not used to moving runners over and playing small ball, you're not able to manufacture runs. Just waiting for the long ball.
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Don La Greca
Thank you.
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Alan Hahn
So. But you know, Boone always countered that by. That's what everybody does. Okay, I get it. But you know, unfortunately, they seem to do it more often than you do in the playoffs.
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Don La Greca
Better than you.
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Alan Hahn
And it's not happening. So. But, you know, you said the Orioles are coming in. I thought they'd be better. They've been miserable this year. So much like the Braves, you know, try to. Don't. Don't give them life. Don't give them reason to think that they can find a way to. To get it going, squash them and turn a six game losing streak into winning five of the next six and get back, get back to normal here, see if they can do it.
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Don La Greca
Let's see where it goes again. It is that long part of the season. I will acknowledge that. But I don't like what I saw. And I'm allowed to say it as a fan. I'm allowed to say it as an analyst. I don't like what I saw in the team. I did not get to see today's game because we're on the air. So it's not something you can really lock in on. But of course, as I do, I will watch it back just to see it. Does it look different or was it still sort of the same? They just made better contact or didn't have some bad luck, which, you know, always does happen when you go on losing.
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Alan Hahn
Well, not. But. But again, just like anything else, it's like, okay, but.
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Don La Greca
It just annoys me, Don. It annoys me that, like, you. You're not allowed. Like, I'm learning this now. You really are not allowed to have any type of just fair criticism about the Yankees during a season. The only time you're allowed to do it is in October. Apparently, like the Yankees, you just are supposed to just let them be because they're going to win. Like you were saying earlier, they're going to win the division. You know, you're big on that, Don. You were saying it with your chest. They're going to win the division. There's nobody in that division in their class. Great. But if it's. And I know you don't like this, but the standard is different. And the standard is not win the division. The standard is, are you good enough to win a championship? Last year's team was not. I don't care that they got to the World Series. We saw it the minute they got to the stage. They weren't good enough. Not just based on talent, but based on things they do, the way they operate, decisions that were made. Nestor Cortez. Nestor freaking Cortez.
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Alan Hahn
What?
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Don La Greca
The whole world said, you're bringing in who. So trust me when I say it's not about just nitpicking. I'm looking at, what does it look like?
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Alan Hahn
Right?
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Don La Greca
But it doesn't look like anything different than I saw last year. And something was supposed to, but the.
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Alan Hahn
Counter to that is, let's be honest, Alan, even if everything was fantastic and they won 120 games, you'd still be wondering to yourself, is it going to happen again in the postseason? So I'm not sure. I'm not sure you can check any boxes. I get it. It happens.
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Don La Greca
If they win that many games, you. You have seen them play at a high level. I understand enough time to think, okay?
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Alan Hahn
But there's plenty of teams that, like, just seem to go through the regular season with no problems, and then all of a sudden, here comes the postseason again. So it's something to keep an eye on. One game doesn't change everything. Just like, you know, one loss doesn't make. In the end of the world, it was six. So string it together. But what is it with.
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Don La Greca
You can't. You can't just Discuss it. Are you really, like. Are you. Is your head so deep in the sand as a Yankees fan that as you're watching some of the things that happen, Alaska, the base running, errors just completely being like. Like misplays in the field, all. I won't even put the Volpe play. That was a tough one. He did not charge it right. You saw that. He kind of hesitated a moment. That second hop got him. It ate him up. It happens. All right, but if you're. If you're telling me that you're watching all this go on for six games and your response is, you know, it's just a season, no big deal, then you're. Then your head's in the sand. Then you have the new school mentality of. I just like that they win 90 games and they're in the playoffs every year. Then maybe that's what you're about, which is what Don is explaining. What maybe Hal and the front office people are really thinking every. Every year, hey, we're making money. We're in the black. We're over. 500. Everything's great. And if we win a championship one of these years, boy, that'd be awesome. But that's not really the end game. Then you're maybe one of those fans, but I'm not. I'm looking at it as. It's been too long. They should win a championship. The guy spends enough money to build a team that should win a championship. And every. And the first time they've gotten there in forever, they booted the ball over the place. They were embarrassing. They were mocked. They couldn't bunt. They could. They were giving them places on the field to hit the ball, and they couldn't do it, and they knew it, and they laughed about it. That's the stuff that bothers me. So. So if I. If I'm gonna have sometimes some frustration about it and want to let it out and you get upset and tell me that I'm a fake fan. No, you're the one with your head in the sand. Fake fan.
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Alan Hahn
All right, let's go to David in the city. You're on espn, New York.
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Michael Kay
Hey, Dave.
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Caller
Yeah. Now, you definitely can have that opinion. I have the same opinion. It's ridiculous to kind of criticize someone for having criticism on the Yankees, I think, joke. And I. I'm calling up really, to talk about Judge kind of being the next Ewing once. If they continue this path of just losing in the playoffs, not winning the World Series, I'm afraid he's going to be considered even though he's better as a player, as New Yorkers, we're going to put him in the same category as Ewing.
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Alan Hahn
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Peter Rosenberg
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.
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Michael Kay
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Peter Rosenberg
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Alan Hahn
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Peter Rosenberg
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Alan Hahn
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Michael Kay
Is it. Was it that?
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Don La Greca
Are you.
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Michael Kay
If you did Never too Much by Luther be tremendous. I gotta tell you, Alan, it was.
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Don La Greca
The voice for it. I think he's got the voice for it.
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Michael Kay
You could do it, Don.
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Don La Greca
Yeah, he could.
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Michael Kay
Don, think about that. What that would do, that would reinvent.
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Don La Greca
Well, I will say it's not that song, but I'm very intrigued by the performance of the song he wants to do.
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Michael Kay
I do. I do that. We're excited about this. We're very excited.
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Alan Hahn
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Michael Kay
Yep, isn't it? It's pretty cool. By the way, Don, I have to imagine that by the time your kids and my kid grow up, they will not really know of a world where Juneteenth wasn't a holiday. It'll just be like, oh yeah, it's Juneteenth.
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Alan Hahn
Sure, right.
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Michael Kay
They won't realize that, like, look, it's.
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Don La Greca
Always been a holiday for me.
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Michael Kay
Well, yeah, and of course Alan Hounde, but for so many other people. I mean, I don't think I really knew much about Juneteenth until the iconic Atlanta episode based around it from like six years ago. I'm just being honest. Like, you know, I really didn't know very much about it. And so many holidays you go, what is this holiday about? But like this one to me, when I really understood, I went, well, what a no brainer, fantastic holiday. It is the celebration of the official end of the most vile thing about our country's history. This is a thing to have a holiday. It is literally like, this is what a holiday is for. And like our kids will only grow up in a world where that's a thing.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. And you know, I remember what was it like 30 years ago fighting for Martin Luther King Day. And I think sometimes the fight, Peter, is like, they just don't want to give us a lot of days off. Like, if this is Europe, we probably have 12 other holidays. They just don't seem to like to Hand out holidays and give people days off. But this felt like a no brainer.
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Don La Greca
Right?
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Michael Kay
And yet it was like what, 20, 20 or 21 was the first one.
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Alan Hahn
You're, you're celebrating something, you know, a wrong that was not done by us, but by, to us, but by us, you know, so it's, it's a strange feeling that it took as long as it did. But yeah, it's cool that our kids will grow up in a world where that no brainer is going to be something that they won't know a life without having that day off. So, you know, keep all that stuff in mind, not just like every other holiday where it's like, hey, I just got a day off. As Alan said, it's weird. Like on a Thursday we go back to work tomorrow. But you know what?
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Michael Kay
Well, and it stands out in that way too because is there another federal holiday that's not just thrown on the Monday?
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Alan Hahn
Right.
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Michael Kay
Every other one gets chucked on the Monday. This one follows June 19th. Right.
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Don La Greca
Isn't Veterans Day a date?
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Alan Hahn
No, they're all a date, Allen. But they all, they observe, celebrate. We observe it on Monday, so we get it. I see what you're saying here too.
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Michael Kay
Yeah, maybe they will. But at this point it's just, it's on the actual day. So anyways, to everyone who observes and thinks about it today, just wanted to give a little acknowledgement. Cool.
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Alan Hahn
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Don La Greca
Somebody was mad at me about being critical of the Yankees.
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Alan Hahn
Well, he can always call back. I guess he just didn't have a good line. Or maybe he got us scared. We'll see. Jerry in New Jersey, you're on. Don Hahn and Rosenberg.
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Caller
Hey, what's going on? Talk here. And always nice to talk to two hockey aficionados like Don and Han. All we're missing is Humpty. And Reverend Rick talked me off the edge many times. But if you look at the, you look at the 2000, I believe it was 13. NHL Draft. You talk about putting teams together. The Florida Panthers have the number 1, 2, 3 and 5 picks out of that draft. They're not going anywhere. And you know who was number six?
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Don La Greca
Wait, wait, give me the Michael Cole. Oh, I remember. Dal Cole. What's the draft again? Was that 2013?
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Caller
2013. Eckblad was one.
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Don La Greca
Yeah, I'm checking Reinhardt two. I believe Dal Cole's a name I want to forget.
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Caller
Yeah, I want to forget that name too. But he wound up being the fifth pick.
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Don La Greca
Yeah, went number one. This is some dress. See, this is why the Islanders won the draft for this year. And it's like this is the draft.
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Caller
We got nobody.
- [26:51]
Don La Greca
Kennan's number one, Barkov number two. That's a Florida pick right now. Jonathan Drum was one.
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Caller
Wasn't that glad.
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Alan Hahn
One.
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Don La Greca
No, no, no. McKinnon. McKinnon was the number one pick in the 2013 draft. Barkov was the number two pick by Florida. That's a Reinhardt. Seth Jones, he went four, obviously.
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Caller
I was on Wikipedia earlier, it had one through five and it went Eckblad.
- [27:22]
Alan Hahn
Reinhardt, Barkov, Noblad's draft. Yeah, when I punch this up here.
- [27:31]
Don La Greca
Yeah, this, this.
- [27:31]
Alan Hahn
He was drafted.
- [27:32]
Don La Greca
Yeah, you're thinking of a different. Yeah, you're mix, you're mashing drafts together here because yeah, the 2013 draft had McKinnon at number one, Barkov number two. I'm looking for other. Like Darnell Nurse was Edmonton's pick and.
- [27:47]
Alan Hahn
So he's still there now where he.
- [27:48]
Don La Greca
Got confused in 2014, Horvat was 9 and Vancouver, you're an Islander fan.
- [27:53]
Alan Hahn
Where, where he got confused because it is interesting because 2013 and 2014, Ekblad went one, Reinhardt went two. There you go, Dry Sidle. And then Bennett went to Calgary 4. Now he ends up in Florida. Yeah, but he, you talk about them not going anywhere. Well, you know, Bennett's a free agent, Marchand's a free agent. You know, so you're eventually going to start losing players and it's going, it has to wear on you at some point. All of these games that they play, remember they went to the Stanley cup final the year before these back to back cups. So that's a lot of hockey they've played. But you know, I thought it was going to, I thought it was going to hurt him this year and it didn't. But as long as they got Paul Maurice and Barry Zito, I think they're going to be in really good shape. But at some point, didn't Zito say.
- [28:40]
Don La Greca
He thinks they can get them all back? He did say that there's a way.
- [28:43]
Alan Hahn
To do it, but we'll see. And let's not forget they were able to bring in Jones and Marshan because Matthew Tkachuk didn't count towards the cap because he was on long term ir. And so now it's going to be difficult. The cap is going up, and there's obviously some pieces that they can move, but at some point, it's going to be. It's going to be difficult to bring everybody back. Capital P in Jersey here on Don Han and Rosenberg. What's up, guys?
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Don La Greca
What's going on?
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Caller
What's going on, fellas?
- [29:15]
Aaron Boone
Hey.
- [29:16]
Caller
Hello.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, we're here.
- [29:17]
Michael Kay
Go for it.
- [29:18]
Caller
Oh, perfect. Oh, there we go.
- [29:20]
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
- [29:21]
Caller
I want to talk about the parody and the. And the Dynasty. In all honesty, the dynasty story is 10 times better if you think about it. People started getting tired of the Chiefs. Not because of the Chiefs and the greatness and the commercials and the, you know, whoopity do, all that.
- [29:36]
Michael Kay
All that crap.
- [29:38]
Caller
It was really Taylor Swift that got people tired of the whole Chief dynasty. And, you know, they were flipping to her compared to flipping back to Pat Mahomes and things of that nature. But when you have a dynasty like the Bulls, like the, you know, like the Golden State warriors, it's 10 times more captivating because it keeps people, like, blue to the tv, you know, like, people want to either see them lose or see greatness. You know, that's my logic. Because when you're seeing greatness come on, like, you know, the Yankees dynasty, the Bulls, when you see greatness, Jeter, the Jordans, it leaves a lasting impression. You know, champions come, come to go. But I'm sorry, go ahead.
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Don La Greca
No, I'm going to say capital P is for perfect, as in the call. Like, like, you nailed it. Absolutely. You're on point. Like, again, another capital P on point. Like, that's what I've been trying to say about all this stuff.
- [30:30]
Alan Hahn
It's.
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Don La Greca
It's really is about that there is something compelling about the teams that keep coming back. There is something. And what he said, too, in the beginning, like, you start to root for them. Look at the Warriors. The first warriors championship was a compelling one because it's this young team that was there, you know, their. Their. Their own big three, the Splash brothers. They were all drafted. It was a team that was on the rise. They bring in Iguodala. Like, you're watching that, and that's like, ah, that's a fun team. I love the way they play. And Curry's become a star. Then they get Durant. You're like, oh, right. Like, they win. They win two, and now they got a little dynasty going. Then they get kd and what did we do? We're like, no, hang on a second. Right? Like, now it's too much. And now they Become the villains. They win 73. You know, they win 73 games. This is ridiculous. They're too good. 73 wins in a season. Nobody's going to beat this team. But what happened? They lost. So that's the point. It's, it's. I think that all adds to the drama and the excitement of it is you can be the compelling dynasty team that everybody loves and then you become the team that now everybody starts to hate because it's. Now it's unfair and it's too much and. And now players join them and take less to play for them and now you get annoyed. So I do think it adds to it versus the who's playing this year? All right, who's this team? I don't have time to get to know this team well because it kind of.
- [31:58]
Alan Hahn
It ends up having a college feel to it because the second you start to get into these guys, they disappear. Like to the average fan, not to.
- [32:07]
Don La Greca
The die hard blood still matter in college basketball too. You know that.
- [32:11]
Alan Hahn
Right, but. But that it becomes more about the coaches. But like the players, they're one and done. So it more becomes about the coaches.
- [32:17]
Michael Kay
And all the programs. The programs tend to, you know.
- [32:21]
Don La Greca
Right.
- [32:21]
Michael Kay
Exist still. Yeah, you know.
- [32:23]
Alan Hahn
Yeah, for sure.
- [32:24]
Don La Greca
Although in college today, the only thing that.
- [32:26]
Michael Kay
Do you think the average does the.
- [32:27]
Don La Greca
Average players stay in college. They just go to different teams all the time.
- [32:30]
Michael Kay
Yeah, that too. But. But does like the casual fan really know that? It's John Shire now. The last thing they remember it was Coach K. It's Coach K. It's.
- [32:40]
Don La Greca
Dude, they keep showing Coach K on the sideline anyway, he's sitting courtside and they'll show him a million times that a John Shire. But yeah, I mean there's. There's still some of that, I guess.
- [32:48]
Alan Hahn
Right.
- [32:48]
Don La Greca
But.
- [32:48]
Alan Hahn
But you know, the Golden State warriors were that team that you kind of forgot when you listed all your NBA teams before. Before they got together and started winning and all of a sudden these became household names. You got to know them. As Alan said, it became like a great story to the point where then he started to hate Draymond Green and Yep, yeah, Curry kind of got under your skin with his stupid mouthpiece and like then all of a sudden they became irritating. Same with Kansas City. Mahomes is a great story. Kelsey's a great story. Now it's like, ah.
- [33:16]
Don La Greca
And then what do we do? We make fun of. We make fun of Mahomes voice. We get annoyed with the Taylor Swift up. Did you see Kelsey talk about this? Might Be an enn. Talk about, like, he has no interest in the AFC championship ring they were going to give. Right.
- [33:31]
Alan Hahn
Get that?
- [33:32]
Don La Greca
Like, he didn't want. And then it turned into the only ring that he really wants is the one they give the Taylor Swift. You guys aren't picking up on that?
- [33:42]
Alan Hahn
No. I'm big, but I think it's corn pone. And I don't care. Yeah. You know, but I don't care who he can marry. He can marry a dog. I don't care. Like, I. That's the thing that bothers me about. I don't care about Taylor Swift. I don't care about. I don't hate Taylor Swift. I just don't care who these guys are sleeping with. Married to what music they listen to. I just care about them playing ball.
- [34:05]
Don La Greca
Right. Because you don't care about them being celebrities.
- [34:07]
Alan Hahn
But when I was saying dog, I don't mean a woman that looks like a dog. I mean. But he need to explain to people. But I'm just saying, like, everybody got caught up, Peter, in us hating Taylor Swift when we were, like, against the Chiefs. No. Had nothing to do with her.
- [34:21]
Michael Kay
She.
- [34:22]
Alan Hahn
They only show her, like, three times during the game.
- [34:24]
Michael Kay
Yeah.
- [34:24]
Alan Hahn
I don't care about what became irritating or just everybody caring about what was going on off the field.
- [34:30]
Don La Greca
Yes.
- [34:31]
Alan Hahn
I care about what's happening on the field. I really never cared about what happens after. Like, Lawrence Taylor is my favorite player. I never read his book about the fellas and his life after football. Didn't care because he wasn't a football player anymore. So what do I care?
- [34:47]
Don La Greca
I'm telling you, there's something in sports that's about that, and that's why you're a sports fan. And unfortunately, a lot of this stuff is not geared towards you because you're already an addict. You're in. I don't need you.
- [34:59]
Alan Hahn
Right. But I have to listen.
- [34:59]
Don La Greca
I'm trying to get other people in. And some people who aren't really die hard sports fans, but they like celebrity drama and gossip and all that stuff. So I create that for them. And now they're in, too.
- [35:08]
Alan Hahn
Well, that's the thing, so. And that's what moves the needle. That's what creates ratings. It's not the die hards. It's the people that parachute in.
- [35:15]
Michael Kay
But also, there's another thing that's not just the casuals, though, that makes sports fans different. Don Allen likes the sports that he likes and likes them a lot.
- [35:24]
Don La Greca
Mm.
- [35:25]
Michael Kay
There's a reason, though. He doesn't really drift particularly into more sports. Whereas someone like me can get hooked into more sports based on the stories that exist. You know what I mean? And yet. And Don can be locked into baseball for 162 games a year. Whereas for me, that would be like I committed a crime. And when they. The only punishment they can come up with.
- [35:46]
Alan Hahn
Alan and I are monogamous. And you're, you're.
- [35:49]
Michael Kay
Yeah, I'm sweet.
- [35:49]
Alan Hahn
You're having an orgy every day you.
- [35:51]
Michael Kay
Just rope for you the same thing every day.
- [35:54]
Alan Hahn
No, you're a group grope sports guy.
- [35:57]
Michael Kay
Yeah, I'm into golf this weekend. I'm into UFC next week. Oh, the tennis is on. Give me the tennis.
- [36:05]
Alan Hahn
Yeah, sure.
- [36:07]
Michael Kay
Now car racing too far. Like now, now gone too far.
- [36:11]
Alan Hahn
No, it's like Eyes Wide Shut.
- [36:13]
Michael Kay
I'm not anti.
- [36:13]
Alan Hahn
Honestly, nascar, we got to do like a sports version with Peter of Eyes Wide Shut. Like that's, that's, that's his.
- [36:20]
Michael Kay
It's everywhere.
- [36:21]
Alan Hahn
But no, I could, I could see you in the right circumstances being into a Formula one race.
- [36:26]
Michael Kay
Oh, no, I could. I started the show and it just, I didn't have time and it didn't grab me immediately. I know people love the show. I have a friend of mine from the D.C. area who texted me this weekend to wish me happy Father's Day. And I'm like, oh, thanks, man. What's going on? He said, I'm in Montreal at F1.
- [36:46]
Alan Hahn
Yeah, that was last weekend. Yeah.
- [36:47]
Michael Kay
Because my teenage daughter, he has a 17 year old daughter, watched the show, fell in love with F1. And fortunately he has wealthy in laws who brought the whole family and took them to F1 in Montreal. So he was like, I never thought there'd be a world where my little girl would be dragging me to F1.
- [37:08]
Alan Hahn
But here we are. But that's the closest they'll race in Texas every once in a while or Indy. But like to go to the Montreal. I would do that. That would be cool. And then I would like. I love Monaco. Monaco every Memorial Day weekend.
- [37:19]
Don La Greca
Yeah.
- [37:19]
Alan Hahn
Now of the. Because I.
- [37:21]
Michael Kay
The one that gets you in. That's the only alt sport you're really into.
- [37:25]
Alan Hahn
Yeah, pretty much. But did that start with Nancy?
- [37:29]
Michael Kay
That started with Nancy. Right?
- [37:30]
Alan Hahn
That started with Nancy for sure.
- [37:31]
Michael Kay
Now which driver was she in love with that led to this?
- [37:34]
Alan Hahn
Rusty Wallace.
- [37:35]
Michael Kay
There we go.
- [37:36]
Alan Hahn
But I don't think had anything to do physically.
- [37:38]
Michael Kay
I'm gonna look him up and be the judge.
- [37:40]
Alan Hahn
No, you'll see he does put up a picture of him with Dave Eddie And Patrice Breezewa. Rusty's losing, but he's not bad people, though.
- [37:50]
Michael Kay
Can I just say this, though? He's not bad. No, I don't think Rusty Wallace is. I listen. He's. He's a certain vibe.
- [38:02]
Alan Hahn
He's not bad.
- [38:03]
Michael Kay
I think Nancy could like him.
- [38:05]
Alan Hahn
No, she does, but not for the reasons you think.
- [38:08]
Michael Kay
I don't know.
- [38:11]
Alan Hahn
Because you think my wife and my mom are at the Eyes Wide Shut party again.
- [38:15]
Michael Kay
This is such a horrible thing. This is not true. I just happen to think she's fallen in love with a couple of teams because of a couple of handsome players. It's happened before. Oh, we got a break. They want us to shut up.
- [38:29]
Peter Rosenberg
Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.
- [38:33]
Michael Kay
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
- [38:34]
Peter Rosenberg
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
- [38:42]
Don La Greca
Jake is hitting them today, though.
- [38:48]
Alan Hahn
You know, it's. I just wonder if Paul, like, sits there and like, when he wrote that song in his 20s.
- [38:53]
Don La Greca
Yeah. He was like 24.
- [38:55]
Alan Hahn
And he's thinking about 64 and like, how long are that is. And he just turned 85. He's 21 years clear of that now.
- [39:03]
Michael Kay
Crazy, right?
- [39:04]
Alan Hahn
It is. Yeah. It is pretty crazy.
- [39:06]
Michael Kay
And I think about that when I listen to a lot of stuff. But when I listen to Father and Son by Cat Stevens, who wrote it as like a. Such a young man. And now he's cat's probably 80.
- [39:23]
Don La Greca
Here goes Anthony again, going. Yeah, time passes. It happens. Oh, wow. Good reference there.
- [39:31]
Alan Hahn
Yeah. Al Stewart always gets confused with Cat Stevens even. He even joked about it in his similar voice.
- [39:36]
Don La Greca
But Al Stewart had two really good hits.
- [39:39]
Alan Hahn
That was Passages and A Year of the Cat.
- [39:41]
Don La Greca
Year of the Cat's a great song.
- [39:42]
Michael Kay
Well, that's why. So is that why people that'll do it?
- [39:46]
Alan Hahn
I think that because you're the cat about cat statements. I don't know.
- [39:50]
Michael Kay
I don't even know who this person is. You're talking about time, man.
- [39:53]
Alan Hahn
Time passages. And you've heard Year of the Cat.
- [39:57]
Michael Kay
Have I.
- [39:59]
Don La Greca
What is it? First on a morning from a Bogart movie in a country where they turned back time. It's like, unbelievable writing in that song.
- [40:07]
Alan Hahn
Yeah. And he opened for Dom McClain, and then the kids saw him down the shore a couple of years ago.
- [40:11]
Don La Greca
What?
- [40:13]
Michael Kay
The list that these kids have seen right here.
- [40:15]
Alan Hahn
They have seen Don McLean.
- [40:17]
Don La Greca
Oh, yeah.
- [40:17]
Alan Hahn
Drop Stewart pretty. Can you told a story about, like, he was on a plane and he's being recognized and people are Looking at me, saying, oh, boy, I'm gonna get hit with. With an autograph or something. So they get off the plane and this couple comes up to him, can we get a picture with you? And they snap a picture and they're, like, giggling, and they walk away.
- [40:36]
Michael Kay
It's like, oh, we got a picture with cat Steven. Oh, that's tough.
- [40:41]
Don La Greca
There's not that they.
- [40:42]
Alan Hahn
They don't look anything alike. It's just for some reason, like, there's. That. There's. There's certain athletes like that. Right. Al, we talked about this years ago on the K show. Like, there's certain players that you confuse with other players.
- [40:53]
Don La Greca
You see them and you think they are someone else.
- [40:55]
Alan Hahn
Yeah. Just for some reason.
- [40:56]
Don La Greca
Give me a name. Give me somebody. If you give me an example, I might be able to then start playing that game.
- [41:03]
Alan Hahn
Oh, God, I wish I couldn't.
- [41:05]
Don La Greca
All right. No.
- [41:07]
Alan Hahn
Just fell out of my head.
- [41:08]
Don La Greca
All right.
- [41:09]
Alan Hahn
Because there's Carl Everett, and then there was somebody else like Carl Everett.
- [41:13]
Don La Greca
Well, these aren't. That's very random.
- [41:15]
Alan Hahn
I know, but it's usually. No, it always has to be somebody random.
- [41:18]
Don La Greca
It's gotta be random. Yeah, because I thought it's like, somebody random who looks like somebody famous.
- [41:23]
Alan Hahn
Not even that they look alike. It's just that they're so similar that you confuse the two.
- [41:27]
Don La Greca
You forget which is who. Okay.
- [41:29]
Alan Hahn
And I can't remember. It was Carl Everett and it was somebody else, but if I could think of the other. But you'd be like, oh, yeah. There's. There's something about the two of them that. But. Okay, Dan and Saratoga. You're on espn.
- [41:41]
Michael Kay
Hey, Dan.
- [41:43]
Caller
What's up, guys? What are you doing?
- [41:45]
Don La Greca
Hey, Dan. Good.
- [41:45]
Michael Kay
How are you doing the show?
- [41:46]
Don La Greca
How you doing out doing a show?
- [41:48]
Caller
I'm chilling. My buddy Lorenzo, named after Lorenzo Neal, remember?
- [41:52]
Alan Hahn
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [41:53]
Don La Greca
Sure.
- [41:54]
Caller
What's going on, guys? Hey, since you. I have a quick. I want to pivot to music. You guys are just talking to music. I'm gonna give you two bands. You tell me which one's better.
- [42:01]
Michael Kay
All right?
- [42:02]
Caller
I think it's a really hard. Hard one, too. I'm gonna.
- [42:05]
Michael Kay
Let's take our time, everyone.
- [42:07]
Alan Hahn
All right, go ahead.
- [42:08]
Michael Kay
All right, go ahead.
- [42:10]
Caller
Fleetwood Mac or Genesis?
- [42:13]
Michael Kay
Fleetwood Mac or Genesis? Oh, man, this is so tough.
- [42:18]
Don La Greca
I gotta go with Mac. Got it.
- [42:20]
Alan Hahn
Wow. You know, I probably would, too.
- [42:22]
Don La Greca
Yeah.
- [42:22]
Alan Hahn
But it. And you know what's so. You know what's so interesting about both of those bands is there's two distinct periods. Yeah. Because there was a There was Fleet, believe it or not. There was Fleetwood Mac before Stevie Nicks. And then there was. And then there was when you had Peter Gabriel in Genesis. And then how they really took off after he left and Phil Collins became the Voice. God. It's. That's no easy answer, man.
- [42:50]
Michael Kay
I personally listen, in my own personal life, I listen to more Genesis than Fleetwood Mac, but that's just me.
- [42:58]
Alan Hahn
Yeah, I think.
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Caller
Yeah. I'm giving you the. To give me the totality. What do you think is better one more quick. In terms of their solo career and the band. I'm giving you Bill Collins and Genesis. Or I'm giving you Sting and a Police.
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Don La Greca
That's good.
- [43:16]
Michael Kay
Sting. I. I personally have. I. I think he seems like a lovely man. I don't have a lot of use for Sting solo music.
- [43:27]
Don La Greca
You're out of your mind.
- [43:28]
Michael Kay
I'm just saying.
- [43:29]
Don La Greca
Feel the dreams of gold.
- [43:31]
Caller
I'm sorry.
- [43:32]
Alan Hahn
He was a monster.
- [43:33]
Michael Kay
But.
- [43:34]
Don La Greca
But solo. He. He has.
- [43:36]
Alan Hahn
But I think he was a big solo artist.
- [43:38]
Michael Kay
No, no, but I'm saying. But Sting. No, no, Sting's bigger. There's. No. Sting's bigger on both counts.
- [43:42]
Alan Hahn
He's.
- [43:43]
Michael Kay
That was where I was trying to get to, was that even though I'm not a Sting guy, I'm here to tell you he's bees bigger.
- [43:48]
Alan Hahn
I bet.
- [43:49]
Don La Greca
But.
- [43:49]
Alan Hahn
But I bet you Phil had more hits.
- [43:53]
Michael Kay
More solo hits. That's. That's.
- [43:55]
Alan Hahn
That's possible.
- [43:56]
Don La Greca
If we're going to stay on this topic, I know we have to go here. I'm just going to throw it out. So you'll love this. Land of the 80s asks this question on social media.
- [44:05]
Alan Hahn
Okay.
- [44:06]
Don La Greca
Where do you rank Freddie Mercury all time lead singers? The 80s is like 40 years ago.
- [44:12]
Alan Hahn
Really. Actually more amazing voice. I don't. The only front man that I would even compare him to would be David Lee Roth. Now, David Lee Roth wasn't a great singer, but the combination of voice and romance. Yeah, it just. The note heard around the world from. From 1985. Remember?
- [44:33]
Don La Greca
From. What was the concert called?
- [44:36]
Michael Kay
You're right there, pal.
- [44:37]
Don La Greca
No, just had a glitched.
- [44:40]
Michael Kay
Glitch out.
- [44:42]
Don La Greca
Was it Live Aid?
- [44:43]
Alan Hahn
Live Aid, yeah. And then they still played in arenas all the time with the. With the mouse, which I think is disrespectful, but still funny. Yeah, but he held that. They held that. No, he. No, he's. Freddy's amazing. I like what we just did there.
- [44:58]
Michael Kay
I enjoyed it.
- [44:59]
Don La Greca
I mean, we got a lot of good Sting solos here, boys.
- [45:03]
Peter Rosenberg
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
- [45:07]
Don La Greca
I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good.
- [45:09]
Peter Rosenberg
Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.