Hour 3: Yankees & Stephania Bell

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary
Episode: Hour 3: Yankees & Stefania Bell
Release Date: August 4, 2025
Hosts: Don Hahn, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Guest: Stefania Bell (Physical Therapist)

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Introduction

In this episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast, the hosts delve deep into the current state of the New York Yankees, critiquing their performance, management decisions, and overall direction. Additionally, the episode features a special guest, Stefania Bell, a seasoned physical therapist, who provides professional insights into an on-air injury sustained by Don Hahn.

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Paternity Leave and Personal Experiences [00:30 – 04:09]

The episode opens with a heartfelt discussion between Don Hahn and Ty Butler about Don's recent paternity leave. Don shares his positive experience, emphasizing the importance of taking time off to support his family.

• Don Hahn [02:03]:
  "I have never regretted anything in my life less than taking paternity leave. There's no part of me, like, it's an old school mentality that people have that is just dumb." (02:03)

Don details the challenges his wife faced during pregnancy and the traumatic loss of their pet puppy, highlighting the crucial support he provided during this period. He reminisces about traveling with his family in France, comparing his role humorously to "Clark Griswold in France." (03:05)

Yankees Performance and Management Critique [04:09 – 14:45]

The conversation shifts to a critical analysis of the New York Yankees' recent performance. Don Hahn expresses his frustration with the team's recurring mistakes and the perceived lack of accountability from management.

• Don Hahn [05:04]:
  "Why can't Boone keep the same energy with his players that he's sometimes willing to keep with the media?" (05:04)

• Ty Butler [09:12]:
  "It's less about not winning four World Series in five years and more about what the product looks like and what has become acceptable to this organization." (09:12)

The hosts dissect specific incidents, such as base running mistakes and managerial responses. They criticize Aaron Boone's handling of errors and argue that General Manager Brian Cashman's roster decisions have negatively impacted the team's competitiveness.

• Ty Butler [21:08]:
  "I think you should get rid of Aaron Boone. They need a change." (21:08)

The discussion also touches on the lack of effective leadership within the clubhouse, pointing out that star players like Giancarlo Stanton and Aaron Judge are not fulfilling leadership roles adequately.

Listener Interactions and Criticism [16:10 – 25:45]

Listeners call in to voice their frustrations with the Yankees' management and performance. Freddie from Jersey City shares his disappointment with recent games and criticizes the team's strategic decisions.

• Freddie [16:17]:
  "Why do you feel like they keep making mistakes?" (11:30)

Stefania Bell joins the conversation, reinforcing the hosts' critiques by highlighting the importance of fundamental play and expressing concern over the team's continued errors despite high expectations.

• Stefania Bell [11:27]:
  "We want to be as clean and as perfect as we can be. Without question." (11:27)

Don Hahn’s Injury and Stefania Bell’s Insights [38:11 – 46:44]

Towards the latter part of the episode, Don Hahn shares a personal anecdote about injuring his leg after climbing stairs quickly. Concerned about his knee, Don seeks Stefania Bell’s expertise on the matter.

• Don Hahn [38:53]:
  "I felt a bit of a pop. And now I can't put any weight on the leg without it hurting." (38:53)

Stefania provides a thoughtful analysis, suggesting that while it's too early for a definitive diagnosis, the symptoms point towards a soft tissue injury rather than a patellar tendon sprain as initially suggested by ChatGPT.

• Stefania Bell [40:03]:
  "It sounds like a soft tissue injury that you will recover from. But maybe it's a good idea to have somebody take a look at this." (40:03)

She emphasizes the importance of seeking professional medical advice, especially when dealing with potential ligament or tendon injuries.

Humor and Light-Hearted Banter [47:00 – End]

The episode concludes with the hosts engaging in humorous exchanges about injuries and personal anecdotes, maintaining the show's lively and engaging atmosphere. They also promote upcoming events and segments, ensuring listeners are entertained until the very end.

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Notable Quotes

• Don Hahn [02:03]:
  "I have never regretted anything in my life less than taking paternity leave."

• Ty Butler [09:12]:
  "It's less about not winning four World Series in five years and more about what the product looks like and what has become acceptable to this organization."

• Stefania Bell [11:27]:
  "We want to be as clean and as perfect as we can be. Without question."

• Stefania Bell [40:03]:
  "It sounds like a soft tissue injury that you will recover from. But maybe it's a good idea to have somebody take a look at this."

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Conclusion

This episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg offers a comprehensive critique of the New York Yankees' current season, supplemented by personal stories and expert insights. The addition of Stefania Bell adds depth to the discussion, especially concerning Don Hahn's knee injury. The hosts maintain a balance between serious analysis and light-hearted humor, making the episode both informative and entertaining for listeners.

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Transcript

[Peter Rosenberg]

On WhatsApp, no one can see or hear your personal messages.

[Ty Butler]

Whether it's a voice call message or.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sending a password to WhatsApp, it's all just this.

[Ty Butler]

So whether you're sharing the streaming password.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In the family chat or trading those late night voice messages that could basically become a podcast, your personal messages stay between you, your friends and your family. No one else, not even us. WhatsApp message privately with everyone.

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. That sounds like heaven to me. Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers activation. Hello.

[Ty Butler]

And I'm. I'm actually pretty. I feel like I don't want to sound dirty, but honored.

[Don Hahn]

Go ahead.

[Ty Butler]

Your first two hours back or your first week back. Yeah, you're hanging out with me.

[Don Hahn]

Come on, man.

[Ty Butler]

Here we go.

[Don Hahn]

It's a moment in time we're having right now.

[Ty Butler]

Type of energy we need. I love it. Paternity leave treated you well.

[Don Hahn]

I loved paternity leave.

[Ty Butler]

You was catching it from everywhere, I'll tell you that. I mean, both shows, it felt like.

[Don Hahn]

Hate, you know, I mean, felt like hate.

[Ty Butler]

Cuz you flexed it with the. The whole week, the whole month off. Four weeks.

[Don Hahn]

I want to tell you guys something right now. I have never regretted anything in my life less than taking paternity leave. There's no part of me, like, it's an old school mentality that people have that is just dumb, if I'm being honest. Like, it really is just dumb. Like, as my brother put it to me once, you're telling me that I can work 52 weeks and I can make blank amount of money or I can work 40 weeks and I can make the same amount of money. I'm sorry, isn't the conversation over?

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, but you know how it works.

[Don Hahn]

He's soft.

[Ty Butler]

He's soft.

[Don Hahn]

When I had my baby, I went back the next day.

[Ty Butler]

I was back the next day. Yo, I heard Lord this morning talking about a mom gave birth and she literally had to go into work the very next day.

[Don Hahn]

I was like, is that possible?

[Freddie]

The next day?

[Don Hahn]

That can't be possible.

[Ty Butler]

Which is crazy. Maybe she added a little flavor to it, but that's crazy.

[Don Hahn]

Well, listen, I know some people, though, obviously have bad situations. That's really. But no, I mean that, like. And I know there are people listening right now who didn't have the option for paternity leave. But, like, as I've pointed out before, it's not all peaches and cream. Like, the reason I was able to be in this place in my life where I could do this is because I also went through years that were very painful where I wanted to have kids and didn't have them, as you very well know, because we talked about it. So now here I come. I'm in my mid-40s, I have my first child, and guess what? It just so happens that my primary income source comes from a wonderful company called Disney that has 12 weeks of paternity leave, which I'm.

[Ty Butler]

I'm. I guarantee you there are a lot of people who work at this company who are not aware of that.

[Don Hahn]

And that's one of the reasons I talk about it, because in, you know, particularly, like, everyone's wife's pregnancy is different, right? Some people, it seems like they just pop a baby out, and two days later, they're out like it's. Nothing happened. Well, that wasn't what was going on in my house. You know, things. It was a very challenging, long pregnancy. Then, you know, my wife lost her pup right after the baby came. It has been a very as. As amazing as it's been. And watching my wife, like, just increasingly fall in love with our daughter has been a beautiful thing to watch. It's also, in a lot of ways, been the hardest year of her life. So getting the time off to then just go get to be around and support her has been great. And also the travel and just spending time and. I was Clark Griswold in France. Like, literally had a wagon filled to the brim with suitcases, driving the fam around in France. It was a great time.

[Ty Butler]

I was worried about you, but also more concerned for Natalie because I'm like, yo, this dude is conditioned to, at every stop, have a take on something all throughout the day, mornings, you know, podcast throughout the day. And for the interim, your. Your afternoon show, he's got take after take after take. So now that he doesn't have a platform for a month, like, who's getting that energy? So I was concerned you were going to be talking her ear off.

[Don Hahn]

No, little do you know, I was still just giving takes on social media.

[Ty Butler]

Oh, you was hopping on the gram?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. I mean, listen, I got my Goldberg take, went completely crazy while I was gone. And by the way, I had people coming up to me this weekend thanking me for my Goldberg take. Cause I thought he was. I thought he sounded very ungrateful after.

[Ty Butler]

His, like, yo, I'm gonna get Peter in a rare form, like, just shot out of a camp, they call it backed up. That's what they call it backed up now.

[Don Hahn]

Don't you, don't you worry, don't you. Where everyone's just fine now. But I will say this. When I turned on the show, when I got back, Don and Alan were having a conversation. It was right when Hogan died. So I called into the show and it was. I forget who Don was on the air with. Oh, it was Jordan Ronan. And when I called in, they were having a Yankee conversation that was literally the exact same Yankee conversation I have been having here for three years, maybe more. And I'm like to think that I could have missed out on a month with my baby girl, while she is the cutest, tiniest version of herself. To have the same. No. To have the same stupid conversation about how the Yankees are satisfied with mediocrity. A conversation we've been having for years. Ty, I made the best decision of my life. Cause here we are as we sit and on August 4th, we are having the exact same conversation in 2025 that we had in 2024, in 2023, in 2022. Where is the accountability? Why can't Boone keep the same energy with his players that he's sometimes willing to keep with the media that in the case of this past weekend, he's able to keep with the first base coach? Why can't he do this with his players? Why is this team making fundamental mistakes that my high school team, when I was on the BCC Barons, wouldn't make? It's the same thing year after year. And I have to tell you, for as many times Yankee fans as I've called you, spoiled.

[Ty Butler]

Oh, I love this.

[Don Hahn]

And I've said you don't. You don't even know what it's like to root for a team that really has problems. I want to give you your moment. You are coming off of a season where your team made it to the World Series and had an inning that will live in infamy forever because of stupid mistakes and mental errors. And now in the year that follows that tie, I don't know what the stats say, but it feels like this is a year filled with more mistakes and mental errors than any year previously. You thought it would be the opposite. This would be the year they clean it up. It's been the exact opposite. They have been an utter and unmitigated disaster. And you have the right Yankee fans to be sick of what this team does.

[Ty Butler]

And every time they call the station, it's oh, you're a spoiled brat. All the winning you do. And I think you guys are losing the point, it's less about not winning four World Series in five years and more about what the product looks like and what has become acceptable to this organization. And that's not just losing, but doing so in embarrassing fashion, to the point where Jazz Chisholm gets taken underneath the dugout and you think some scolding is being done. He comes out after the game, and the reporter asked him, would you do it all over again?

[Don Hahn]

He said, yeah.

[Ty Butler]

He's like, so.

[Don Hahn]

Hold on. He was also. So what did Boone say to you?

[Ty Butler]

I mean, all he was saying is, like, what happened? And, like, how was I out and what was I doing? I told him exactly what I just told you. Like I said, I played here before I saw him. He deked it pretty well, like he was gonna drop it. I saw him watching Goldy the whole time. I looked back at Goldy, too. So I was like, okay, maybe he might. Because I'm on first base. I would want to get me off first base, too. I've done it here many times. So.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, so. So Boone just had a chat with a chitty chat. So you.

[Ty Butler]

Do you do it again?

[Don Hahn]

He would do it again. So Boone. Boone wasn't upset. He just said, hey, Jazz, what were you doing there? And Jaz said, oh, well, you know, I was trying to. I was trying to get off first base, see if I could trip because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and went, oh, cool. I was just checking. That sounds good.

[Ty Butler]

Sounds great.

[Don Hahn]

Sounds great.

[Ty Butler]

Sounds good.

[Don Hahn]

Don't worry about it.

[Ty Butler]

I love the. I love the hustle, but that's the problem, man. And I think what becomes so frustrating, which is why, like, you guys aren't able to understand it, is because usually when you're upset about something, you're frustrated after watching a game, you want to vent, and you want someone to be the blame for it. And when it comes to the Yankees, they walk around with such arrogance. It's like, who can you blame? I'm told you can't blame the manager. He's a damn good manager. How do we know that? I don't know. They went to the World Series last year.

[Don Hahn]

It's just said.

[Ty Butler]

It's just said that he's a good manager. Can't blame the general manager because they go to the playoffs every year, which, by the way, factually is inaccurate. They missed the playoffs four times in the last decade, but neither here nor there. And that's what it comes down to for Yankee fans. You don't have the outlet to express your agitation with what's become of this organization that even this past weekend had two of the greatest baseball players of all time publicly on national television chastising them. And I'm talking about Jeter and Alex Rodriguez and what they said here was, Jeter, the Yankees are their own worst enemy.

[Don Hahn]

The thing that's concerning, it's not just the pit. Look, the bullpen struggled yesterday. They're gonna struggle. New team, new surroundings, it takes a while to adjust. They make way too many mistakes. Way too many mistakes. And you can't get away making that number of mistakes against great teams. It just doesn't happen. You and, you know, they had base running mistake today. We saw the guy getting thrown out at home plate. You can't continue to do it. You have to clean it up. I mean, it's that simple. There's no excuses. You have to play better. If you don't play better, you're not going to go very far.

[Ty Butler]

But it doesn't feel like the manager has that same sense of urgency.

[Don Hahn]

No. And let's, let's actually. So let's hear it. Aaron Boone had a conversation with a reporter back and forth about the constant, what feels like constant base running mistakes. You guys have had a lot of base running mistakes. Yeah.

[Stefania Bell]

Yeah.

[Ty Butler]

Why do you feel like they keep happening?

[Don Hahn]

I mean, a few days ago you.

[Ty Butler]

Said it can't happen.

[Don Hahn]

Obviously, today happens a few days later.

[Freddie]

Why does it continue?

[Stefania Bell]

Yeah, you're going to make some mistakes on the bases. I would argue with you that we're not making in, compared to the league, a number of outs advancing or outs on the base. I don't think that's, that's true. I'll dig into it some more. I looked into it a few weeks ago, but when you are the New York Yankees and you're losing and you make a mistake, look what just happened. I can show you around the league, it happened all the time. Doesn't make it okay. We want to be as clean and as perfect as we can be. Without question. Don't, don't get it twisted. Don't think, oh, yeah, it's fine. Like really good teams that are buttoned up make a mistake trying to advance or run into an out or, you know, kick a ball. We have to be better. Don't get it twisted. Okay, but, but when, when, you know, the last month we, we had a game in Toronto where we kicked it.

[Ty Butler]

Right.

[Stefania Bell]

That was a game. Okay. And that, that, that then in line becomes a story. But we got to be better, period. We have a, we have really good Players, I think we have a really good team. We haven't realized our potential yet. We got to get there. We got a couple months to do it, and we better hurry.

[Ty Butler]

I mean, come on, a couple of games. If you literally lost a World Series like that.

[Don Hahn]

I just hate considering, like, I think Boone is just a reasonable and good solid man. I hate that he defaults into a. Someone pointing out you're making a lot of mistakes. And he goes, did we. Like, you're just being obnoxious. And of course everyone knows you did. And that you're then going to play games about. Like, just to be totally blunt.

[Ty Butler]

When.

[Don Hahn]

You play a game of. I don't think statistically we have more base running errors than it. That's loser talk. That's loser talk. Winners say any mistakes are too many mistakes. We're going to work on. Why can you not say it? Who are you offending? Who is the loser? Who is the loser? Is it. Is it a Steinbrenner that's a loser? Is it Cashman that's the loser? I don't think it's Boone. I do not think Boone's default energy as a person is when mistakes are made, to go look at everyone else. They make mistakes, Ty. That's the Yankee way.

[Ty Butler]

But this is what he's become and this is what we have to listen to. So we're directing our ire at this guy who's also hiding behind. Well, it's because we're the Yankees, so it's more magnified. No, it's because the fact that you're a championship contender and since May 25, May 29, you're seven games under.500. Like, that's a big deal. The way you're losing games, the way you talk after games, it's. You put it perfectly. You left and you return. And things feel as. As similar to how you left. Because when you came back, they're doing the same things, which is a problem.

[Don Hahn]

Which. Which I'm telling you guys, if I had stayed here, if I'd been like, you know what? I thought about it. I think I'm gonna skip out. Just stay here. I think the team needs me. And all I'd been talking about was this same fakocta nonsense that. No, listen, you guys deserve. Everyone deserves better than that. This is just getting old. This is boring.

[Ty Butler]

They're. They're the bad company. It's the worst combination. They're bad and they're boring. So I think it's on the table. It's not going to happen. Managers got to go, man. General managers got to go. And I understand that that's sacrilegious considering they just came off the World Series. But how the World Series ended, to me matters. Losing the game that way. I remember. Jake, you remember this 2013 NBA Finals, the Game 6 Ray Allen game, right, that lost the spurs, they go to Game 7, they lose. Those guys talked about how in training camp, Popovich showed them footage of how the finals in 2013 ended. Did you see the spurs, how they looked in 2014? Oh, they was on a mission.

[Don Hahn]

At one point.

[Ty Butler]

They came out on a vengeance on a mission. They were not going to be stopped by anybody. Played that same team in the Finals and. And whoop them. That's what I expected this Yankees team to be. For that footage of the fifth inning to have been shown in spring training and for it to light a fire underneath them and for them to decide, we're not tolerating that because we just went through that a season ago and on a national stage, we lost a World Series. And for them to show up this year and play the same way is so infuriating.

[Don Hahn]

Let's talk to the people. Let's get started with Freddie in Jersey City. What's up, Freddie?

[Freddie]

Hey, fellas. Thank you for having me. Peter, welcome back, man.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you, buddy.

[Freddie]

You're welcome. You're welcome. I love this combo of personalities with vacations. It's like a bittersweet, you know, so. And shout out to you. I used to intern at your other station, too. I think it was before you got with the station, but I know DJ Guanito, so.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, we're done. Thank you.

[Freddie]

Yeah, for sure, for sure. So, yeah, touching on, on Major League Baseball, like talking last week with Don and Alan about this, that, like, the fundamentals is basic. As basic as it is, how are you getting thrown out at first base on an infield fly ball is insane. Like, insane. Like beyond. Like, it's wild and you know, so that is ridiculous. And it's going back. It's like, hold on, there's plenty of coaches or managers, head football coaches after super bowl loss. It's how you lose. It's how you got there. The American League is not deep at all this year. There's finally some depth a little bit with Detroit. You know, Toronto's not really going nowhere. I mean, we have to be realistic somewhere down the line. I think Detroit's going to come out the album, you know, but it's, it's, it's what's going on. Yankees, you got there's no competition yet. You went to the World Series last year. Soto's gone, and you don't know what's going on. I blame some of this on Judge, too, because he's. He's an awesome guy, best player in the game, but he's not leading the clubhouse, you know, that standard. I don't see him as that, like, leader, you know, leader of men. And they don't have a manager, that's for sure, to do that. So, like, they got to get somebody to do that. You know, the Knicks tried that a little bit with the bench and bringing in some guys, like, you got to bring in some guys to, like, bring in some personality.

[Ty Butler]

They tried that Freddy with Josh Donaldson and, you know, Marcus, like, they tried that stuff. It just didn't work because those guys weren't good.

[Don Hahn]

How'd it work out with Stroman?

[Ty Butler]

You know, it's funny. So we're watching on the yes. Network, Yankees Classics. Yeah. Marcus Stroman, who just got released a couple of days, is pitching.

[Don Hahn]

By the way, this is already. This game is a lie. Your man was not in one classic. There is no Yankee Classic with. With Marcus Stroman.

[Ty Butler]

It makes. It makes me think, oh, no hits. In no way. Oh, this was the. Oh, okay, so this. This was the game where the Yankees were getting no hit and then made that, like, monstrous comeback in the end. That was the Brian Woo game.

[Don Hahn]

That was, like, two weeks ago.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah. So we're, like, redefining what Yankee Classic is that. Is Yankees last week. I thought they were just trolling Stroman.

[Don Hahn]

I just. I just find it hilarious that it played out this way for Stroman. I'm sorry. Couldn't happen to a better guy. Yeah, he's just. He's everything I hate about Duke. Don't ever get. Don't ever forget, Duke will always give you Duke.

[Ty Butler]

The Stroman thing, I. I was rooting for him, obviously. Didn't love the stuff with K, but it just was never going to work out.

[Don Hahn]

Yo, what did you like every turn over the last year and a half? Basically every turn.

[Ty Butler]

That guy Freddie was talking about, like, an attitude. Like an attitude that punctuates a clubhouse.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yes. That you could root for that. The problem is, of course, with him, it also goes with the fact that he also has the attitude of a little itch sometimes, too.

[Ty Butler]

That's fact.

[Don Hahn]

Like, he complains when they asked him about relief, he's like, I'm a starting pitcher. I'm a start. Are you? Are you. How did that play out like, come on, man. He was, by the way, he was very lucky to get that gig. And then he got it and didn't perform well. Now he's going.

[Ty Butler]

It's funny because a couple years ago when he was mad at Cashman for not trading for him, and he's like doing the whole I'd be better than anyone on that roster pitching rotation, and he gets here and Cashman releases you because you aren't good enough. So it's a full circle moment.

[Don Hahn]

But, yeah, it. This has just been not what you want. Let's go to E in Brooklyn. What's up, E?

[Freddie]

Oh, what's up, guys? What's up, Peter? What's up, Ty?

[Don Hahn]

What up, man?

[Freddie]

I was just touching in on the Aaron Boone situation. I think you should get rid of Aaron Boone. They need a change. I always thought he wasn't a very good tactical manager from the part when he put Judge Batten first in the playoffs. That was not logical at all because all you got to do is just target the seventh, eighth and ninth hitters and then keep them off the base, and then you could pitch around Judge. So that wasn't a smart move. And I just feel that Cashman should be left alone because he. He does his job. There's a lot of other GMs in New York that are bad, like Chris Jury, who's destroyed the Rangers, but nobody want to talk about. And that's all I had to say. The Yankees would be all right. We'll be all right. Like we always are. Hello.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, we heard you call. I appreciate it. You know what the. You know what the funny thing is that people get all excited about the trade deadline, all these different moves you can make. Oh, we've got four new players. Well, the reason why you have four new players and it was such a necessity is because the general manager who's in charge of putting the roster together left you with four holes. So that's got a fall on him. So I don't understand at this point people who defend Brian Cashman, but I guess those still exist.

[Don Hahn]

They're out there. And I get it. You can make the argument. Listen, I've heard K make it a thousand times. If Brian Cashman. How many times you hear this, Anthony? If Brian Cashman were to get fired, he. He'd have a job by the end of the day.

[Ty Butler]

But that's fine. That doesn't matter.

[Don Hahn]

It doesn't matter.

[Ty Butler]

Should be employed by your team. I also question that. I also wonder how successful he would be in a Small market where he's not given $250 million to spend on his payroll and then not able to outspend his mistakes. So I've got some questions about that. When it comes to Cashman, you can't.

[Don Hahn]

Tell me that Cashman has outmaneuvered the raise over the last decade.

[Ty Butler]

You could look at a bunch of teams where you say, because, like, he's had so many errors when it comes to roster construction, they've had to outspend. And thankful to Hal Steinbrenner to give him that money, be to be thankful to him to give him that money, to be able to, you know, maneuver and outspend those. Those mistakes. So it's never going to happen. So you can. We can keep complaining about the general manager. The dude is here for life.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Anthony and Dobbs Ferry. Hey, Anthony. Anthony.

[Freddie]

Yeah, brother, I'm here.

[Ty Butler]

What's up, baby? Talk to us, man.

[Freddie]

Listen, I'm getting sick. I listen to you. I listen to the show, not you guys, because, well, Pete, I listen to you mostly. But, Ty, you fill in. You're doing a great job, by the way.

[Ty Butler]

Thank you.

[Freddie]

But how many of these Yankee fans are gonna get rid of Boone? And we got to get rid of Cashmen, and we got to send Volpe down to Triple H? Listen, guys, Yankee fans, I'm with you. I'm a lifelong Yankee fan, 38 years. I saw the good. I didn't see the bad, but I saw the good. And now we're with the. Okay, here's the problem. Nobody's digging up Billy Martin. Nobody's bringing back Joe Torrey. The Yankees are an analytically driven team. You could put in Joe Tory. You can put in Aaron Boone. You could put in Peter Rosenberg. It doesn't matter. They're told what to do.

[Ty Butler]

I hate that argument. I hate it. I hate it, Anthony, because it's lazy. It's lazy, but it's the truth.

[Don Hahn]

No, but it's the truth.

[Ty Butler]

But you.

[Freddie]

This is an Aaron.

[Ty Butler]

Okay, Anthony, you act like there is a new.

[Freddie]

I really like the way. I really like.

[Don Hahn]

Go ahead, Tash. I'm putting on hold. He couldn't hear you.

[Ty Butler]

Okay, Anthony, there's nuance to this. What people are complaining about isn't just the manager and the general manager. It's the infrastructure change, the way the operation is being run. Like your analytics, what you're pumping out. I just saw the Yankee lineup for tonight, okay? I mean, the hell are we doing? So it's not just bringing Joe Tory to this Opera. It's changed the operation. Because what we have come to realize for the last 16 years is your boy Brian Cashman can't build a championship team. Something's got to change. You have the lineup there? The Yankee lineup for tonight.

[Don Hahn]

What do you say?

[Ty Butler]

I just lost it.

[Don Hahn]

What is it, Anthony?

[Ty Butler]

We got Paul Goldschmidt batting first, playing first, Ahmed Rosario in right field. He's batting second. Cody Bellinger's in Center, batting third. Stanton is DHing now. I lost it. Yeah, I lost it. I'm sorry, but what the hell's going on? Stan is DHing. Got a Austin Slater, left field.

[Don Hahn]

Sorry.

[Ty Butler]

Jazz Chisholm.

[Don Hahn]

A.C. slater. Okay.

[Ty Butler]

And then Jazz Chisholm playing second, Anthony Volpe playing short, Austin Wells playing catcher, and Jose Caballero. I mean, what are we doing with these? With this lineup?

[Don Hahn]

What's your biggest problem with it? A.C. slater.

[Ty Butler]

Ahmad Rizer is batting second. The Yankees just got swept. These are like. Do they realize these are important games?

[Don Hahn]

That's a mod Rosario to you and me.

[Ty Butler]

I need a walk off in Yankee Stadium. I want people that want changes. You're getting your changes. Oh, my goodness.

[Don Hahn]

Weren't all of you saying you want Rosario?

[Ty Butler]

Well, if you're gonna replace people, Peter, if you don't like what one person's.

[Don Hahn]

Doing, you gotta replace them.

[Ty Butler]

You gotta put somebody in there. Now, the guy who said he'd do it again is still in there.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I didn't listen to anything you just said. Catch the show on demand whenever you want want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. All right, it is Don Han and Rosenberg. Rosenberg, Back baby. Back for my. Today's my first day back on the railroad in a month.

[Ty Butler]

How's it feel? It's the longest you've gone, I think.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, by a. By a long shot. Yeah, it's. It feels good. It feels good. This morning didn't feel good and tonight I'm going to be super tax. Last night I was out. I didn't get back from MetLife until late and then, you know, you're a bit wired after like doing the post show we did was like a big college game day like atmosphere. There's 10,000 people screaming behind us. Cody Rhodes is out there, Triple H. There's like a lot going on and then you just, like, get home and you know your wife's asleep in bed, and you're like, coming down off of that could take a little bit of time. So I didn't sleep well. And I think the lack of sleep, you know, when you feel, like, a little delirious. I wanted to nap today, but I couldn't catch a snooze. Taking care of the baby, doing the things you gotta do.

[Ty Butler]

And that contributed to your injury, I think.

[Don Hahn]

I think the lack of sleep. Cause you know, when your energy's off, your body's not doing things right.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah. I mean, I also should be like, how old are you? 40?

[Don Hahn]

46.

[Ty Butler]

46. And jumping upstairs like a kid.

[Don Hahn]

You were saying you don't even do that. How old are you?

[Ty Butler]

I'm 32. And you don't jump upstairs, do you jump upstairs? That even looks ridiculous, jumping. So I've catch myself every once in a while coming off, like, my walk up, like, jumping down, like, the last two steps. Even those kill my knees. Maybe jumping. But jumping up is like.

[Don Hahn]

Well. Cause now I think it's three steps down there. And I went to jump all of them in one. Why? Yeah, why did you do that? Wait, so you said, why did I do that?

[Ty Butler]

But you said this is something you like, customarily do.

[Don Hahn]

I do.

[Ty Butler]

I don't get it.

[Don Hahn]

Like, if I get into a stairwell, I never do one step at a time.

[Ty Butler]

I'm always around.

[Don Hahn]

No, if people are around, it's a busy stairwell. I'm not crazy.

[Ty Butler]

But I'm saying, like, you don't want to be. Like, I'm thinking about it from the standpoint of being judged. Like, if other people are able to watch you jump.

[Don Hahn]

No, I'm not jumping stairs. No, but, like, if I get into, like, an empty stairwell, I'm not doing one step at a time. I'm doing like two steps every time.

[Ty Butler]

Brandon Nimmo jumps steps going up the stairs. Yes. He would be someone who, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

So I'm a try hard is what you said.

[Ty Butler]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

This is like Guardi running it out is what I am. I'm guarding on the steps. And then. And guess what? I paid the price. And now I have to sit here tonight and hope that this gets better. And, like, I'm not gonna go to the doctor tonight or anything. I'll go to sleep, you know, you hope that you wake up and it's not barking.

[Ty Butler]

That's an anxiety sleep because you're waking.

[Don Hahn]

Up thinking, and you're going, let me put the leg down. Let Me see how it feels because, like. Like I have no athletic career to worry about, right? Like, it's not like, here's the. In one sense, it absolutely stinks to have something sort of orthopedic like this happen. In another sense, it's not the be all, end all because I don't have to go perform on my leg next week. So you're kind of like, let me just nurse it. Hope it's not a big deal, but, like, it's just a reminder I'm getting old, bro.

[Ty Butler]

And 46 is not even that old, bro.

[Don Hahn]

46, though, in terms of doing something dumb and getting hurt. Oh, you're right in the wheelhouse, though, because you. You still haven't figured out that you're not young. That's the key.

[Ty Butler]

Okay?

[Don Hahn]

You haven't figured out yet that you're not young.

[Ty Butler]

The things I used to do, I can't do anymore.

[Don Hahn]

Right now. Like, you're. You probably haven't had any moments like this. Certainly to walks. You're in the best shape of your life.

[Ty Butler]

I am. So, like, you were literally running.

[Don Hahn]

You're in better shape right now. But see, the thing is, especially with running, your time's coming. With running, it always happens. There's not a runner I know who doesn't at one point in life. My friend Judd, who's in the best shape of any of my friends.

[Ty Butler]

What's his name?

[Don Hahn]

Judd Judson. Judson. You never heard the name Judson?

[Ty Butler]

That's a funny name, Judd.

[Don Hahn]

You've never heard the name Judd?

[Ty Butler]

No, I've never heard that.

[Don Hahn]

Never heard of Judd Apatow, the director?

[Ty Butler]

I've heard. Yes, yes.

[Don Hahn]

If it does now, you're having a crazy moment, aren't you?

[Ty Butler]

All right, you got it.

[Don Hahn]

What about Judd Hirsch? You ever heard of him? He's an actor, too.

[Ty Butler]

Rudd?

[Don Hahn]

No, there's no Judd Rudd.

[Ty Butler]

No, there's a Paul Rudd.

[Don Hahn]

Sure, that's a last name. Anyways, so Judd is one of the most athletic. He's very athletic, actually. But he's also just in great shape. Takes it very seriously. Yo, man loves to run. Got to his, like, early 40s, just, you know, broke his foot running for no reason.

[Ty Butler]

No, no, no.

[Don Hahn]

No reason, bro. No reason. And Judd has been doing this longer than you and has been in shape nonstop since high school. Varsity soccer, varsity baseball, 500 hitter, senior year of high school, starter on the soccer team.

[Ty Butler]

Broke his leg. So not even like, no, no.

[Don Hahn]

Foot.

[Ty Butler]

Broke his foot. Just.

[Don Hahn]

You're running. I said, what happened? He was like, it didn't feel like I did anything. And then all of a sudden I'm like, ow, this really hurts. And then he's like, I stopped. And I'm like, this is bad. What just happened. I'm scary. If we did a conversation right now about. Call up and tell us about the terrible old man injury you had for no reason. Our phone lines will fill up. People who stepped off the curb, they.

[Ty Butler]

Were walking their dog, chased after your dog.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, I've seen it happen.

[Ty Butler]

8Am tomorrow. Oh no, hot take Tuesday.

[Don Hahn]

You know you're talking about your morning show. Yeah, but there's also. I also got to be at 7:20. Congratulations, you played yourself.

[Ty Butler]

Oh, you. Yes, you have to give yourself the butt. But I'm saying that that segment would work. 8am tomorrow.

[Don Hahn]

We've done. Yeah, we've done that tomorrow. That on hot. We've done maybe three times. Call and tell us how washed you are. And it's always something like I coughed and blew my back out. All of these things.

[Ty Butler]

Yo, that's crazy.

[Don Hahn]

1-800-919-3776. Call up and tell us right now or the most pathetic, pathetic old man or old woman injury you had happened to you. Ty, I'm telling you, I'm not rooting this. I don't want it to happen.

[Ty Butler]

Don't put that on me.

[Don Hahn]

I don't want to put it on you.

[Ty Butler]

Life and death is in the power of the tongue according to the Bible.

[Don Hahn]

That's right. But this isn't life and death. This is just stupid. All right, let's go to Moose, has a question on the subject. Hey, Moose in Jamaica. What up?

[Freddie]

You know, this ties perfectly into my whole story. You've got a minute? Let me fill in how it tied into the Yankees in my weekend and how terrible they did and how terrible my weekend was. All right, all that considered, first things first. Peter, what in the world are you doing with a kid, a wife jumping like that? That is. It's just terrible. So yeah, I watched the Yankee game Friday and it's like, all right, I'll laugh it off, but guess what happened Friday night. I slept on my foot Friday night for like eight hours. Woke up, woke up with it numb, couldn't feel it, it was throbbing. And I had to go to my parents house to give my dad a hair. Mind you, my dad has Alzheimer's warts on his head from COVID Survived it, smoked for 50 years. God knows how he survived it. So he has irritability and all this stuff. So I'm giving him his haircut after doing work at their house. And he's starting to feel a pain where there's extra hair growing. Cut it off. And then he just said, stop the haircut. It's too painful. He almost starts crying. Meanwhile, I had my dad with a mesh shape misshape had unblended 2, 3 and 1 on the sides. And. And I'm dealing with that. I say I storm out the house, go home, put the Yankee game on, fall asleep, try to sleep off the plane. I put on the Australian dream, which you plugged in to during the Michael K show. The previous iteration. I go far as back as how many chances you get. So that's how I've been listening to you guys. And I wake up to Augusta Ramirez in his second home run of the game. The Yankees don't do anything else. Then comes Sunday and I have to deal with home run lead off home run from Grisham. Perfect, right? They're gonna salvage this series.

[Don Hahn]

What was Moose, I. I lost you. It's a bad sign when you're on the radio like you're hosting a show and you go, where am I? What am I doing in my life? What's happening? I just hear a voice talk.

[Ty Butler]

Yo, man, we.

[Don Hahn]

That was. It started out as something and then it just. Maybe it didn't. Maybe it never was anything, you know, let's bring in. We love you, Moose. That was a horrifying story. Let's bring in someone who I know won't do that, and that's the great Stefania Bell, who joins us from Chargers camp Now. Stefani is going to be here this week. It's going down. The fantasy Focus football crew live from the Gramercy Theatre in New York on Thursday. You can win your tickets go to the ESPN New York app the contest tile. You get in the building. Tickets get you free food, exclusive merch, post show meet and greet. And Stefania joins us right now. Stefania, welcome to Don Hahn and Rosenberg. It's Peter Rosenberg and Ty Butler. How are you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I am good. I'm out enjoying the California sunshine. I hate to tell you guys, there's no humidity out here at all.

[Don Hahn]

It's wonderful. It really is. It is. It's so. It's been. How long have you been there?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I've just been in California since last Friday. I was at the Niners for a couple days. I'm at the Chargers tomorrow. I'm at Cowboys and Rams joint practice. So kind of the west coast training.

[Don Hahn]

Camp tour, not Stefani. That's not bad. I will tell you, though, I hope that when you. I hope when you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good work, if you can find it.

[Don Hahn]

Exactly. And I hope that when you get here, it's the same as it's been here, because it's been. It's been pretty lovely here in New York. So you are the foremost expert on. On injuries, at least that we have access to. I mean, I don't know if you're Dr. James Andrews, but you're our James Andrews.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, well, God bless him. And he's retired now, but if you want to compare me to him, I will take it. I love that man.

[Don Hahn]

So I just got back off paternity leave. Okay. It's my first day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Congratulations.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And shout out to our company's wonderful paternity program. It's fantastic. And I get to the radio station and there are these three short steps that lead to an elevator. And for some reason, without thinking, I do the same thing I've been doing since I was probably 14, and I go to plant on my left foot and jump the three stairs. Now, Stefania, I. As of. As of two weeks ago, I'm 46 years old, all right? And I didn't realize that I turned, that I got old, but I've gotten old. And I felt on the back of my left leg, the foot I planted on. I felt behind the knee, on the left side, on the lower half of the knee, on the backside. I felt a bit of a pop. And now I can't put any weight on the leg without it hurting. Like, I can walk, I can limp, but it clearly is painful. And I'm trying to gauge. ChatGPT said it could be patella tendon sprain. What are you hearing from what I'm saying? What are you gleaning?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, so first of all, this is really also. This is totally not the way to diagnose something for anyone listening out there. Like, to just hear the patient tell you about it, not see them, not put your hands on them. But we're going to have some fun with this. Okay, let me start by saying your patellar tendon is on the front of your knee. So if this is hurting, if you hurt the back of your knee, we're already having some issues with your self.

[Freddie]

Diagnosis, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

ChatGPT sucks and he pays for it.

[Ty Butler]

That's the problem.

[Don Hahn]

And I pay. I pay 20amonth for that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Well, this is. And what's funny, you know, I'm a physical therapist for those who may not know I'm a physical therapist. I practiced in sports medicine for 20 years before I went to the media. So I am very familiar with hearing patients tell their stories. Usually there's a little embellishment. I'm not going to lie, you know, because people don't want to think they got hurt doing something silly. So I give you credit already. So just owning up to the nature of how you hurt yourself. And also, as far as being old, this is how we find out we're old. If you try something you've been doing for a long time and it doesn't work anymore, you pull something, you sprain something, you stretch something, you tear something, this is your. This is the memo to tell you that maybe we don't jump off research.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Going forward.

[Don Hahn]

Stefania, can I call you? I know you're a physical therapist and not a doctor, but Dr. Bell, I think that's a good, really reasonable assessment and I'm willing to commit to not jumping stairs anymore.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think that's important.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, so what, so what do you think this could be now? ChatGPT lied and this is not, this is not a patella.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To be fair to ChatGPT, I don't know what you put into it. Spitting out an answer. Sometimes the person asking the question may not give the correct information. But be that as it may, it's. There are a lot of potential problems. I thought you were going to tell me it was more down in your calf because I will say that there's a. Like when you hit mid-40s and you're pushing off, it's very common for men in particular at that age to get a strain of the medial calf. And you usually feel that though in your calf itself. Not up by the knee, although it attaches at the knee. So you could feel something there as well. Well, and we, you know what, there's sort of a saying we call that middle aged man injury because it happens. Like, I can't tell you how many guys, if you're out playing tennis or racquetball running and they feel a pop in the back of their calf. It's. It's actually tennis like, but called middle aged man injury.

[Don Hahn]

And now when that happens, though, it would have been.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tell me that.

[Don Hahn]

But maybe it is. But maybe it is that because, like, first of all, also, Stefani, I'm not very bright, so it is possible that it's like more calf. To me, it feels, it's like right on the side. If I were to be honest, it's not quite back. It's the direct side of the leg. And I will say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or actually at the knee. Like, the knee's pretty high. Are we talking lower? Near where the calf muscle is?

[Don Hahn]

It's below. I'm looking at it right now. It is directly below my knee on the side, but it's only a couple of inches below the knee. Ty, you're looking right like.

[Ty Butler]

Like below his knee. Like, I would say an inch below his kneecap, but to the side.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. You know, you're. You're. You have hamstring tendons that attach in that area. If that's on the inner side of your knee, your MCL is there. But I usually wouldn't get hurt doing that kind of thing. He said he was on the push off, so. Tends to make me think it's something muscular. Again, really hard to say without seeing you, but I'm gonna throw out there that it sounds like a soft tissue injury that you will recover from. I'm just gonna be positive and say that. But maybe. Maybe it's a good idea to have somebody take a look at this.

[Don Hahn]

I think you pretty much nailed this thing right on the head.

[Ty Butler]

So we. When we first saw him limping and he described to us the injury, I or I, A couple of us thought it was the mcl. Like, we thought definitely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

MCL sounds like you're in the right area. That's a good. Usually mcl don't tear that way. Usually it's a blow. Like when you see guys get hit on the outside of their knee and then he bends inward. Or a plant cut injury. You know, when you have instability in your knee, like an ACL injury, you see the MCL will go with that. But otherwise, if it's contact injury, usually it's from a direct blow the outside of the knee that causes the MCL to tear. It'd be unusual for it to go that way, but.

[Don Hahn]

Well, let me ask one last thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hamstring tendons that attach there. So, you know. Okay, something there.

[Don Hahn]

Here's my last question for you, Stefani. We really appreciate this. And again, Fantasy Focus podcast. It's all going down Thursday night, Gramercy Theater. Tell me this. If it was something that, like, was severe and would require surgery, do you think it would be more intense than what I'm dealing with? Which is like, it's annoying and it's painful, but I was never, like, in super intense pain.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's really hard to say because maybe you're just one of those really tough people who have, you know, maybe you're one of those Guys who plays hurt, you don't complain.

[Don Hahn]

That's right. That's me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, and get the job done regardless. And so you. You might be playing through something that could be worse than you're letting.

[Don Hahn]

But if it were. If it were a tear or something that requires surgery, would that normally be something that's pretty debilitating in the moment.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. You can't go by that all the time. You really can't. How many times have you guys seen. We used to say that when a player tore their acl, they couldn't walk off the field. Now, players got in better shape, better muscle development, better neuromuscular.

[Ty Butler]

But he's not in great shape.

[Freddie]

Thank you.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Ty Butler]

Well, that's not a good comp because he's not in great shape.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not a good comp. But point being, like, people can walk off with those injuries, and sometimes you think, well, it can't be that bad. And then, lo and behold, it's something that's worse. The net.

[Don Hahn]

Net here is I should probably. As good as you are, you think I should get it checked out?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I really should. Because. Because in fairness, if we're being totally honest, you know, all kidding aside, you really want somebody to be able to put their hands on, you know, and evaluate it. So asking you questions in person, being able to feel it, put you through a battery of tests, that's the preferred.

[Don Hahn]

Stefania, we truly appreciate you. We hope you have a great time in Los Angeles, and we hope you have an even better time when you get to Gramercy Theater on Thursday. Thank you so much for making some time for us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you guys for having me, and I hope to see a lot of people out with us on Thursday night's fancy football season. Everyone, come get all your questions answered. We'll hang out. These shows are always so much fun. We stay and talk to every single person who wants to hang out with us. So please come. We'll see at the Gramercy Theater.

[Don Hahn]

All right. We look forward to it. Thanks, Stefania.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you, Ty, for pointing out that she shouldn't confuse me with someone who's in shape.

[Ty Butler]

Oh. Because I just don't. No, no.

[Don Hahn]

It's misleading.

[Ty Butler]

She was using the comp of, like, you know, Micah Parsons. He's able to walk off after an injury.

[Don Hahn]

You're saying I'm not like Michael Parsons?

[Ty Butler]

You're not Michael Parsons. No one's confusing you for Micah.

[Don Hahn]

No. Well, he's a good talker, though, too.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Ty Butler]

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[Freddie]

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[Freddie]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Ty Butler]

No, I need a vacation.

[Don Hahn]

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[Ty Butler]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

Go fix this. Oh my. Nobody 2, rated R. Holding in theaters August 15th. Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast. I didn't listen to anything you just said. Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. This does not feel good. The walk. And I'm getting a click sample. It's clicking. There's a click every once in a while. You know, the click. I mean, what I mean that little click feeling like it's n. I. I.

[Ty Butler]

Understand what you mean. You look worse than you did when you first got here.

[Don Hahn]

The limp did. Yeah, well, I'm trying to walk intentionally. Gingerly.

[Ty Butler]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

To be. To be careful.

[Ty Butler]

Now. How soon does this become annoying for Natalie?

[Don Hahn]

Because tonight.

[Ty Butler]

Okay. Cuz it's like I got to deal with two kids, two babies and then you're not helpful.

[Don Hahn]

Well, and also like, you know, do I need help with the dog?

[Ty Butler]

Oh yeah. That's another thing that's, that's. It's always weird when your partner is like annoyed with you because you're injured.

[Don Hahn]

Have you ever. What's your worst injury?

[Ty Butler]

Well, the last. It wasn't an injury. I remember I went for a run and I ended up with this blister. And like the worst part, under the crotch. Like under the crotch area. Uh oh. And I couldn't do Anything. Like, I literally couldn't do anything. So now we have the kids and she's stressed out and she was annoyed with me. I'm like, how could you be annoyed with me? I'm literally in. Writhing in pain.

[Don Hahn]

You said it was a woman, right?

[Ty Butler]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And you said. And you're the man, right?

[Ty Butler]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

And there are kids, right?

[Ty Butler]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

And you were able. Not able to do as much. Well, this is. Come on. So like this, listen, it does hurt. And I am limpy and like, right now I just bent my. Like my knee is bent underneath me. I can do it. It doesn't feel great. I wonder though, if it'll just like, feel better over a couple days. Like, I strained it and it just gets a little better. But, like, it. I am feeling a click when I walk. What's up with the click?

[Ty Butler]

You keep asking me that click, bro.

[Don Hahn]

And I know it feels like. It feels like I'm asking about your people.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, it was like, I want to give you. Because you look concerned.

[Don Hahn]

I am concerned.

[Ty Butler]

And you're looking at me like you trust me and I want to give you an answer.

[Don Hahn]

I'm going to sing. I just sunk lower. My seat. Well, no. So I can rest my foot on the ground, though, instead of this ain't dumb.

[Ty Butler]

All kind if you can. At some point, I think they're gonna be streaming the shows, like, throughout the show, like the entirety of supposed to. This looks dumb. Awkward. Well, I feel like I'm sunning you.

[Don Hahn]

I'm sitting very low. I'm sitting very low. Are you excited for enn?

[Ty Butler]

I am. Is this an Anthony Pusick driven?

[Don Hahn]

Are you kidding me? Of course it is.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, man. He does a wonderful job. Yo, there are a lot of people, man, I ain't gonna hold you taking shots. A lot of people on the Internet.

[Don Hahn]

Anthony does a better ENN than you. Blah, blah, blah.

[Ty Butler]

He's got to have the full time, full time gig.

[Don Hahn]

I just tried to move it. It didn't feel good.

[Ty Butler]

Anthony, doesn't that feel. Is Anthony there? Doesn't it feel awkward when people say.

[Don Hahn]

You'Re better than the people on the show?

[Ty Butler]

This. This sometimes happened to me when some. Sometimes people will, in complimenting you, like, rip someone else that you work with. Well, it's like, what would you like me to say to that? Exactly?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Ty Butler]

So weird. I appreciate that. You do a good job.

[Don Hahn]

That's all you. Because what you do is to call me and go, hey, listen, Peter, I've been talking to the people they want, by the way, you have to understand at this point. I don't care.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, you're secure. I mean, you good.

[Don Hahn]

I said this to Anthony.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think.

[Don Hahn]

I am much more transparent than I get credit for. I came to Anthony right away and I said, when? Back on the K show days, they made like 19 different intros for enn when I was gone. And I'm like, nah, bruh, that's my segment. If I'm gone, it's still ENM with Peter Rosenberg. Someone else is filling in. I think that made sense at the time cuz I was on a show full time that my name was not on. So you want to stake your claim on something. That show was partially mine and there was no proof of it except ENN with Peter Rosenberg the second we got here. I don't care anymore. It's Don, Han and Rosenberg, baby.

[Ty Butler]

Whatever you want to do ahead, host the segment. So you don't, you know, I don't care.

[Don Hahn]

No, that makes no difference to me. This is the show.

[Ty Butler]

I like it.

[Don Hahn]

What's up, boo?

[Ty Butler]

So I'm looking forward to it.

[Don Hahn]

Why won't you click?

[Ty Butler]

No, it is clicking.

[Don Hahn]

That's the problem, Don. That's the problem. This is my. This is my knee every time I walk.

[Ty Butler]

Click.

[Don Hahn]

Click. All right, let's take a break. Calling all football fans, by the way. Enter the ESPN New York Survivor Pool for a chance to win up to $5,000. Make your pick each week of the football season to find out how you stack up against your friends and favorite ESPN hosts. Be careful. One wrong pick and you're eliminated. The last one standing will take home the title of the second annual ESPN New York Survivor Pool Champion and 5,000 bucks. Enter now on the ESPN New York app powered by Splash Sports. Next right here on ESPN New York. Talking about defense a bunch this baseball season. A good defense is important for your business. Also. Listen, the truth is 1/3 of businesses will unwittingly turn over their sensitive company data to thieves this year in an instant. Your customer files, bank accounts, everything is compromised. And you won't know until the million dollar ransom demand hits your email. Preventing data turnovers is why your business needs Thrive, the leading managed security services provider in the U.S. now, it all starts with a comprehensive Thrive cyber risk assessment. Thrive security analysts identify security gaps and deliver proactive solutions to help keep your network healthy and protected. Listen, it's not a matter of if, it's when. So ask yourself, are you ready? Get your no obligations, security recommendations and consultation. Your business relies on it. Visit ThriveNextGen.com that's Thrive. NextGen.com ESPN thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.