Hour 3: Yankees & Team USA

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg: Hour 3 – Yankees & Team USA

Date: February 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

This high-energy hour of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast sees the trio bounce from lively New Jersey music debates to reflections on Yankees history, generational shifts in sports fandom, and live reactions to Team USA’s Olympic men’s hockey game. The episode illustrates the intersection of sports history, shifting cultural touchstones, and fervent real-time sports emotions—all underpinned with classic New York wit and banter.

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Main Topics & Discussion Points

1. New Jersey's Musical Icon: Springsteen, Sinatra, or Bon Jovi?

(02:02—07:11)

• Nancy’s Perspective: Peter shares his wife Nancy’s decisive take: “Sinatra left New Jersey. Bon Jovi left New Jersey. Springsteen has never, ever left New Jersey… It’s gotta be Bruce.” (02:11)
  • Nancy's lack of fandom for any of the big three is humorously noted, but her Jersey loyalty to Springsteen’s roots is clear.
• Generational Debate:
  • Alan and Peter mull over who each generation associates with New Jersey:
    • Older fans: Sinatra
    • 1980s: Bon Jovi
    • Longevity and loyalty: Springsteen.
  • Alan: “Long hair and glammy rock vibes is what makes people associate Bon Jovi with Jersey.” (05:24)
  • Don: “From the outside looking in, what would you associate with Jersey? Not what Jerseyites associate.” (05:50)
• Parallels to Billy Joel/Long Island:
  • Don: “What Bruce Springsteen is to Jersey, Billy Joel is to Long Island.” (06:33)
• YouTube Poll: Listeners vote on who’s most “Jersey.”

2. Younger Generations' View on Yankees' Legacy

(07:42—14:52; 44:07—47:26)

• Caller Jimmy (07:51): A 33-year-old says Bon Jovi feels “more Jersey” to his crowd than Bruce, reflecting generational shifts in cultural icons.
• Modern Yankees' Reputation:
  • Don laments, “The edge has been lost.” (09:19)
  • Peter: “That edge has been lost… They’re like everybody else, and that’s the way baseball designed it, with revenue sharing.” (09:35)
  • Don: “That’s why the Canadiens aren’t the juggernaut they used to be… Cowboys aren’t the juggernaut.” (10:10)
• Disconnect with History:
  • Peter tells the anecdote of Don Mattingly supposedly believing Babe Ruth was fictional (11:49, returned to at 44:07 after confirmation in Kevin Baker’s book).
  • Don: “Today’s athletes just don’t look at history the same way.” (12:48)
  • Allen: “The farther away you get from those legends, the less real it feels for the current guys.” (13:41)
  • Peter: “All generations become focused on themselves. The modern times for a lot of these guys are, hey, the Yankees are really good, but the Dodgers are really good too.” (15:00)
• Caller Steve (46:47): Reflects on how Steinbrenner revived Yankees’ history for marketing and fan engagement, especially via Old Timers Day and keeping legends visible.

3. The Mythos of the Yankees

(09:35—15:59; 49:42—51:47)

• Maintaining Standards:
  • Discussion of how the Yankees’ mystique has faded amid league parity, revenue sharing, and economic changes: “It’s harder to win… but now look at sports: salary cap, revenue sharing, hedge fund owners… Just to hold any team to the standards of the past is unfair.” (49:42)
• Changing Nature of Fandom:
  • Don: “It’s the Yankees always adjusting to the times and eventually getting it right again, being the quote, unquote Yankees.” (50:55)
  • Peter (on possible future ownership changes): “There’s gonna come a time when somebody else comes in and they will spend, and it’ll be like, ‘See, there they are, the Yankees.’” (51:47)

4. Yankees’ Current Mentality & Management

(18:34—19:52)

• Cashman vs Hal Steinbrenner:
  • Allen: “There’s also the argument that they’re losers because they seem okay with mediocrity… Cashman having a loser’s mentality.” (18:48)
  • Peter: “I think that’s a Hal thing, not a Brian thing… I think Hal, where he’s like, ‘Dude, I’m winning. Look, I’m generating a lot of income.’ He wants to win, but I don’t think he looks at it as a failed season when they’re in the black, the building’s full, and the ratings are high.” (19:05)
  • Don: “At some point, because of the brand and the history, you gotta win one and you gotta go for it… That’s the difference.” (19:52)

5. Live: Team USA Hockey Quarterfinal (US vs. Sweden)

(24:26—40:18)

• Tense Game: The show pivots into live reactions as Team USA faces Sweden in the Olympic quarterfinals.
  • Don details the pressure: “We have not beaten the Swedes in the Olympics since, like, 1960.” (32:09)
  • Allen: “There’s meddling on the line!” (32:43)
• Hockey Overtime Discussion:
  • The hosts discuss the drama and quirks of 3-on-3 overtime vs. shootouts:
    • Don: “Who wants to see the shootout? It doesn’t represent the game as much.” (34:48)
    • Allen: “I don’t want to see games end in a skills competition… this is a skills competition, but it’s still hockey.” (35:35)
  • Live play-by-play (as much as they can permit with broadcast rules) and mounting excitement as Team USA advances:
    • Peter: “Quinn Hughes… in overtime! The US advance.” (36:09)
    • Allen: “USA! USA! Nice shot between the circles. 6:33 left in overtime.” (36:12)
• Impactful Moment:
  • Peter: “I just could not look away.” (36:36)
  • Allen: “We couldn’t. We were captivated.” (36:42)
• Postgame Reflection:
  • Allen: “So the US goes to the semis, and they’re guaranteed at least a shot at a medal…” (39:44)
  • Peter: “Because if they lose in the next round, they can still win bronze…” (39:47)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On New Jersey icons:
  “Sinatra left New Jersey. Bon Jovi left New Jersey. Springsteen has never, ever left New Jersey… It’s gotta be Bruce.” — Peter’s wife Nancy (02:11)
• On Yankees’ mystique:
  “The edge has been lost... They’re like everybody else, and that’s the way baseball designed it, with revenue sharing.” — Peter (09:35)
• On the disconnect with history:
  “Today’s athletes just don’t look at history the same way.” — Don (12:48)
  “The farther you get from those legends, the less real they feel for the current guys.” — Allen (13:41)
• On shootouts in hockey:
  “Who wants to see how exciting this is? Who wants to see the shootout? It doesn't represent the game as much.” — Don (34:33)
• On the Olympics drama:
  “Quinn Hughes…in overtime! The US advance.” — Peter (36:09)
  “USA! USA!” — Allen (36:12)
• On Yankees future:
  “It’s the Yankees always adjusting to the times and eventually getting it right again… Eventually it will come back around and they will be that.” — Don (50:55)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:02: New Jersey music debate—Springsteen vs. Sinatra vs. Bon Jovi
• 07:51: Caller Jimmy on generational music ties, Yankees, and Jersey identity
• 09:35: Discussion on the Yankees’ faded edge and reputation in MLB
• 11:49; 44:07: Don Mattingly/Babe Ruth “urban legend” story
• 12:48—15:59: How younger generations relate differently to team legacies in all sports
• 18:48—19:52: Yankees’ approach: “winning in the black” versus “championships at all costs”
• 24:26—40:18: Live, play-by-play style coverage and analysis of Team USA Olympic hockey vs. Sweden culminating in an OT win
• 36:09: Quinn Hughes’ winning goal in overtime – live reaction
• 39:44: Implications for Team USA’s medal chances
• 46:47: Caller Steve on Yankees’ history, Steinbrenner, and legend marketing
• 49:42: Parity and the Yankees’ challenge in the modern era
• 50:55: Don’s view on the cyclical nature of Yankees' dominance

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Tone & Style Notes

• Dynamic, conversational, lots of friendly ribbing and laughter
• Deeply knowledgeable about sports, with lived New York/New Jersey experience
• Real-time emotional reactions during the hockey game—at times distracted but authentic
• Calls and off-air anecdotes give authenticity and community feel

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a prime example of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg at their best: serious debate, generational perspective, nostalgia for legendary sports eras, and in-the-moment analysis. The show balances insightful takes (on both music and sports), fun audience interaction (from calls to live polls), and organic, must-listen radio when the game is on the line.

While some inside jokes and references reward longtime listeners, newcomers will appreciate how accessible the personalities and discussions are—especially the exploration of why sports legends, whether Springsteen or the 1990s Yankees, matter differently to each generation.

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Summary Table: Major Segments & Timestamps

| Topic | Time (approx) | |------------------------------------------|-----------------| | NJ Music Debate: Bruce, Bon Jovi, Sinatra| 02:02 – 07:11 | | Generational Shifts in Yankees Fandom | 07:51 – 15:59 | | Urban Legend: Don Mattingly & Babe Ruth | 11:49 & 44:07 | | Yankees' Brand vs. Business Mentality | 18:34 – 19:52 | | Live Team USA Hockey Game Coverage | 24:26 – 40:18 | | Overtime Heroics & Celebration | 36:09 – 36:42 | | Legacy & Parity in Modern Sports | 46:47 – 51:47 |

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Transcript

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[Alan]

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[Peter]

No. You know what?

[Allen]

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[Don]

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[Don]

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[Don]

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[Peter]

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[Allen]

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[Peter]

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[Allen]

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[Allen]

Oh, your wife.

[Peter]

On the New Jersey music debate.

[Allen]

Your wife.

[Peter]

I kind of said this, but she put it in a better perspective.

[Allen]

Well, she's smarter.

[Peter]

She said Sinatra left New Jersey. Bon Jovi left New Jersey. Springsteen has never, ever left New Jersey.

[Allen]

Wow.

[Peter]

It's gotta be Bruce. As Much as this topic kills me.

[Allen]

Why does the topic kill her?

[Peter]

I don't think she's a fan of any of you. Any of them. She liked. She liked Bruce early on, but.

[Allen]

Well, I mean, none of her type.

[Peter]

Is what you're saying. No, it's just. She's good. Not. Not making any kind of statements. All pure music.

[Allen]

Are you sure?

[Don]

No.

[Peter]

Yeah, she.

[Allen]

Well, what are you doing?

[Peter]

Why are you being that guy? I'm just telling you, it's not political.

[Allen]

No, no.

[Peter]

I was afraid of having this conversation begin with no. You were trying to twist it.

[Don]

What?

[Peter]

That conversation, Alan. Was I.

[Allen]

Was I talking about politics?

[Don]

No, you were not.

[Peter]

No, I was not.

[Don]

You were talking about.

[Alan]

And we know she's listening. This isn't right.

[Rich Eisen]

What do you mean?

[Allen]

That's even worse. We don't do this. Isn't you saying that.

[Peter]

So Nancy, who knows, as she's not a hip hop fan, knows a lot about music. She knows a lot about music.

[Allen]

Yeah. Very diverse taste.

[Peter]

And she's. She's definitely that guy. Like, if I make a mistake about something, she'll, like, make fun of me.

[Don]

Yep.

[Allen]

Love it.

[Peter]

She loves.

[Allen]

But I also know that her favorite.

[Peter]

She's not mod, I'm telling you. All right, all right. The reindeer games of her favorite baseball team or hockey. Those are reindeer games. Music. You think she's motivated by music? By looks. Who's her? Who's her?

[Allen]

We'll tell you. Her number one is, and then we'll get into it.

[Peter]

Cleveland Mack.

[Allen]

Okay.

[Peter]

All right.

[Don]

There's not a lot of handsome there. No, there is not.

[Peter]

Lindsey Buckingham.

[Don]

Not a lot of.

[Peter]

A lot of things. Not.

[Allen]

Who else? Who else at the top?

[Don]

Yeah.

[Peter]

And then Mick, Fleetwood.

[Don]

Forget it.

[Peter]

We'll fight.

[Allen]

Who else at the top? Who else up there besides Sleepwood?

[Peter]

Mac. Who else?

[Allen]

Anyone else at the top?

[Don]

What else we got?

[Allen]

It's Chris, Isaac and I. I don't think that's by. I know. But he looks. But it was. But he was sexy. He wasn't handsome. But he was just.

[Peter]

That video. There's nothing sexy about him. He dresses like it's a country and western star. Ever see him?

[Don]

And he's like 106 pounds. It's really skinny.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Allen]

And he sort of. And he sort of essayed. Who was that on stage that he made?

[Don]

Oh, that was brutal.

[Allen]

Forcibly made out with.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don]

And then. Was it Jim. Who? Was it Jim Carrey that just undressed him? Yeah, it was great.

[Peter]

And obviously the Beatles are a favorite. And George is her favorite. I would say George Is not the best looking guy.

[Don]

He's the third best looking guy.

[Peter]

Yeah, Ringo's fourth.

[Don]

We know Ringo.

[Allen]

Just listen.

[Don]

Yeah, Ringo got.

[Allen]

Ringo's homely.

[Don]

Right?

[Allen]

Respectfully.

[Don]

But he's, you know, he's Ringo. He's fun, he's a good time.

[Allen]

His name's Ringo for a great time. Come on, give him some drumsticks.

[Don]

I'm trying Ringo.

[Allen]

So Nancy hasn't weighed in.

[Don]

I'm trying to be the.

[Allen]

So she has weighed in. Nancy, a true New Jerseyite in her own right, has weighed in that the answer is it's Bruce.

[Peter]

It's Bruce.

[Allen]

The question is, if the debate was in their heart, who's most Jersey, then she would be right because she proved it with he's never left.

[Peter]

He's never left.

[Allen]

But if the question is who is most associated with New Jersey?

[Peter]

Well, then it begins like if you're an older person, you might say Frank. Now if you're somebody that grew up in the 80s, you'd probably say Jon Bon Jovi. But I think Bruce, who's been relevant from the 70s to today, but the.

[Allen]

Long hair and glammy rock vibes is what makes people associate Bon Jovi with Jersey.

[Don]

That's my point.

[Peter]

He hasn't worn his hair like that. You saw him at the Super Bowl.

[Allen]

But that's who he was. But people still picture they were all like that. They're still thinking shots of the heart. You know what I mean?

[Peter]

Nobody thinks Jersey even though they're not from New Jersey. You look at Poison.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Like they wore their hair that way. But no, but glam garbage.

[Don]

Understand this is not from a Jersey perspective. Now. I think this is right. Peter, from the outside looking in, what would you associate with Jersey? Not what a Jerseyites associate.

[Allen]

It might be more about that.

[Don]

This feels more like it's good. But who is real? Who's so Jersey?

[Peter]

But there is no that I'm. And I'm from Jersey. There is no. No. But I'm saying there's no. Let's go here. Maybe Bon Jovial show up. That's a Bruce thing. Let's go to Asbury Park. Oh, yeah, let's go to the Stone Pony. Because maybe Bruce will show up. Like there are people that kind of like go around Jersey thinking, hoping they'll run into him. That's quintessential New Jersey.

[Don]

And that's Billy Joe.

[Peter]

Better chance of seeing Bon Jovi at Vancouver than you do.

[Allen]

Well, you know what? That goes a long way.

[Don]

And that's Billy Joel on the island.

[Peter]

Right? Billy Joel.

[Don]

There's been, like, Billy Joel, like imitators who'll sit at a piano at some, you know, some piano bar somewhere in the Hamptons, just, you know, covering a couple of Billy Joel songs. And all of a sudden, Billy Joel literally will be sitting there having a drink, walk over and sit down and, like, play and let the guy sing. Like that literally does happen.

[Peter]

I always felt that. That what Bruce Springsteen is to Jersey, Billy Joel is too long.

[Don]

Oh, completely agree.

[Peter]

We have the poll.

[Allen]

We have the poll up on the YouTube chat right now. Just.

[Peter]

I can just imagine.

[Allen]

So you go ahead and vote in there.

[Peter]

Yeah, they could. Because you have. Do it this way, Anthony, because then we'll rig it. Remember we used to do with K, Michael.

[Alan]

K's a bad guy.

[Peter]

Yeah, but don't do that.

[Alan]

I put that there.

[Peter]

No, it's Bruce Springsteen, Jon Bon Jovi. And K's Frank Sinatra, Andrew Anthony Volpe. And then Volpe will win. And then we're back to sports and we all shut up with our music. Just put Volpe in there.

[Alan]

I put the pole.

[Allen]

Yeah, he's leaning in.

[Alan]

I could be out very quickly. It doesn't take much.

[Allen]

Yeah, I mean, he's in the third period.

[Peter]

All right. 1-800-919-3776. Let's jimmy in Montclair. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Jimmy?

[Caller Jimmy]

Hey. Love the show, as always. Great show today.

[Peter]

Thank you.

[Caller Jimmy]

So, as a Jersey guy, I definitely.

[Peter]

Say that Bon Jovi is a little more Jersey. I mean, I'm only 33, and I feel like a lot of the younger.

[Caller Jimmy]

Crowd is more attached to Bon Jovi as opposed to other two.

[Peter]

I do think in age, if you're. If you're 33, you're going to be probably more attached to Bon Jovi than you would Bruce Springsteen, because let's face as good as Bruce. Listen from a new music. I know he produces new music all the time. You're thinking Bruce Springsteen, you're thinking 70s, you're thinking born to Run. And that's way before Jimmy.

[Allen]

Born in the USA.

[Peter]

Right, right. And that was 1984. Yeah. So to Jimmy, who's born in three, you know, you're going to be thinking about Bon Jones.

[Allen]

And also I do want to give a nod to, you know, some of the great New Jerseyites since then. You're talking about the Red Man, Joe Budden, Queen, Latifah.

[Peter]

Latifah.

[Allen]

A lot of great. Naughty by nature, many greats.

[Peter]

Well, Shaq, he doesn't present jersey. He Was born there.

[Don]

Whitney Houston.

[Allen]

Oh, Whitney Houston. That's a pretty big one.

[Don]

It's pretty big.

[Peter]

That's, that's, that's huge.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Peter]

All right. What else you got, Jimmy?

[Caller Jimmy]

So I think Yankee fans have to.

[Peter]

Stop living in the past.

[Caller Jimmy]

I mean, the past is the past and no one respects them anymore. So.

[Don]

You'Re.

[Peter]

Jimmy, you're talking about other teams like, like the Dodgers dancing on their grave. The Blue Jays with their comment. That's what you're talking about, right?

[Caller Jimmy]

Correct.

[Peter]

Yeah, because they, they are, they are respected. But Allen, you've talked about. I don't, I don't think anybody in Major League baseball walks around big bad Yankees. Dodgers didn't. Blue Jays didn't last year. That edge has been lost.

[Don]

It's the line from Curt Schilling, the mystique and aura. Right, right. They're the dancers.

[Peter]

But, but the Curt Schilling that was back when it existed. Like if you're, if you're a 30 year old ball player that this is, this is in history books. Right? Like the Yankees, again, they've been consistently a playoff team, but as far as like championships, the Dodgers have won more championships, the Royals have been to more World Series. Like, so they're like everybody else. And that's the way baseball designed it, with revenue sharing. And guess what? If they do institute a salary cap, it's over. That's where it's going to really be, where everybody is kind of in the same boat.

[Don]

That's why the Canadiens aren't the juggernaut they used to be.

[Peter]

Dylan Larkin, Cowboys aren't the juggernaut. Right. Everybody playing in this game right now, this USA versus Sweet. They, they weren't alive the last time, the Canadians, and it was only 1993.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Peter]

So there's this mystique about them that they read in the history books. But as far as current time, it's just another team that they play. Understood based on what? And here's the thing. The Yankees are good. So they don't really have to live off of the past because they're good now. They haven't won, but they still could be good. That's why I took the.

[Don]

But if I wanted to get your attention done as a teammate, if I felt like you're a guy that just kind of puts the jersey on. Like, like you said, you're from a generation where it's like, it's the Yankees. Yeah, it's cool, it's New York and all, but you know, it's like I'm anywhere else And I wanted to get your attention. What Judge and Stanton did is the way to do it.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don]

Is to just kind of remind, you know, remind you of the jersey you're putting on and the fraternity you're in. You know, it's almost like, come walk with me out to the outfield. I want to show you something. And you bring them into. You know, I know most of you players don't come in here and see the monuments, but why don't you take a look? Because the jersey you put on, that's these guys.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don]

Like, you gotta live up to this. And you're just trying to. You're trying to. You know, you're trying to raise all the boats. Right. You're trying to get the tide up higher.

[Peter]

Absolutely.

[Don]

And that's. To me, that's. I think now I could be dead wrong. I think that was the intent here. They're both amplifying the idea that it's different here. And we need to start playing and acting this way, because lately we have.

[Peter]

It might be urban legend. I never. Somebody can call and maybe Kofi will send the article again. I don't know if it's factual, but it was out there. Could be an urban legend that when Dom Mattingly came to the Yankees, he thought Babe Ruth was a fictional character, like Casey at the bat. Like, he didn't know that.

[Don]

That he actually was a real player.

[Peter]

Again, I don't know. That could be Urban Lunch, but you'd understand because, you know, guy that grew up in Indiana, but still, you know, a guy played 75 years ago, like. Like to a lot of these guys, Mickey Mantle and Joe DiMaggio and Yogi.

[Don]

Berra, because they're not around.

[Peter]

And even Nettles and Guidry and those, they don't care, like, that's their grandfather's guys, that's their dad's guys. Like, you start to get farther and farther or further or further. I guess the rhetoric away from that. It becomes like you're resting on your own. Laurel, you're absolutely right.

[Don]

And I do think today's athletes just don't look at history the same way.

[Peter]

No, they don't. We used to. But also, in fairness to them, when you start to. Disney, like Jeter, I'm sure still resonates. You know, a Rod still resonates. Matsui, that 09 team, and even go back to the 2000, you start bringing up those guys when they. Even if they show up, you know.

[Don]

Like Andy Pettit walks in.

[Peter]

Andy Pettit, I think still probably resonates but do you think any of the guys from the 70s, you think if like, you know, Lou Piniella or Greg Nettles, Ron Guidry walk in there, they'll say that Reggie.

[Don]

Yes. There's a legend about him.

[Rich Eisen]

There is.

[Allen]

He's different, but.

[Peter]

There'S a mystique and all those things. But at some point you do when you the fart, the more distance that's created, it starts to be like, all right, does it matter anymore?

[Don]

Well, it doesn't feel real anymore. They don't. The legend you like. I get what you're saying. It sort of wears off a little bit. The impact.

[Allen]

Right.

[Peter]

And. But listen, every. The Giants haven't won at the clip. The Yankees have, but the Giants have a winning legacy. But do you think any of the guys on the current team, maybe Eli Manning, but that, you know, Lawrence Taylor or Harry Carson or Phil Sims or, or even, even, dare I say, you know, Wyatt or Sam Huff, they don't resonate with them anymore. It's too far away.

[Don]

It's, it's yet. So I think I, I do think you're right about that. It'll be fascinating the next time we get like one of the current athletes, current players as an interview to ask him that directly.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don]

Think about it. The Abdul Carter wanting.

[Peter]

Well, the fact that he has four tells you he didn't get.

[Don]

He has no idea. Like, oh, I know he's great. But they all see, you would know that's. It's, it's, it's sacrilegious for you to ask for that number and you should know that. But he doesn't. And we get mad at him and he's just like, what do you mean? He's a guy.

[Peter]

What.

[Don]

Like he just doesn't understand it. That's this generation, they don't have the same regard.

[Peter]

And I don't even want to go after this generation. I think it happens to all generations because I remember, well, I remember there was.

[Don]

LeBron's doing it right now, the way he's talking.

[Peter]

There was talk about, you know, like Vince Coleman not knowing who Jackie Robinson was. It was 35 years ago. I think all. I just think it just becomes you focused on yourself and you don't think about those. They think about the modern times. And the modern times for a lot of guys are, hey, the Yankees are really good, but you know, the Dodgers are really good too. Well, it's why LeBron's are really good.

[Don]

LeBron's been doing it and he's feeding that. That A lot of guys are building off of, which is the idea of the way the game's played today versus what it used to be. You remember J.J. redick talking about plumbers and electricians, right, that. Well, he. What he was doing in the 50s. Look who he's doing it against. As if, like now we're going to just completely disparage the history of the game. And you say it so flippantly, I.

[Peter]

Know that you don't realize it starts.

[Don]

These are the pioneers.

[Allen]

These are people.

[Don]

Again, you're like, without them, you're not here.

[Peter]

But they don't think about it and they don't think about it in every sport, in every generation. They just don't think.

[Don]

You just go, always. If you parachuted me back then, I would dominate.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don]

I used to joke all the time that I was born too late, that I'd be dunking on Dolph Shays if I was like, born like the 19.

[Allen]

1901.

[Peter]

Yeah, exactly.

[Don]

You know, like, because of the athlete that I was at a short period of my time, my life. But you don't realize that if you. If I did live in that time, I probably wouldn't have been any good because of anything else that was available to me to become whatever the hell I was for a minute.

[Peter]

Let's go to Cody in San Diego. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Cody?

[Caller Jimmy]

Hey, boys. How are you guys?

[Don]

Good, good.

[Allen]

Good.

[Caller Jimmy]

So I think that a lot of this conversation revolving around the Yankees can be compared to European football or soccer.

[Don]

Okay.

[Caller Jimmy]

Like, the loyalty fans have to clubs is not predicated on winning. It's just about the, the reputation, the standards that the club represents, like by putting on the pinstripes or the crests of a, you know, Man United or, Or Real Madrid. It's not about winning.

[Peter]

Well, I think the Yankees are cherished. And that logo means something, the brand. Because of the win.

[Don]

Yes. Yes.

[Peter]

All right. Because I don't think any of these team. This is where you lose me sometimes. I think they've all had bad guys on the team. They've all made their share of mistakes. I mean, there's some organizations that are worse than others, but I'm not going to hold the Yankees up to any other standard of they've won more than everybody else. And that's why the Lakers are popular. That's why the Yankees are popular for a while. You know, the Cowboys are very popular. All based on the fact that, hey, for a long period of time they won and they set a Standard, and then the legend grows from there, right? They do it the right way and they wouldn't tolerate this and. Well, you know, listen, they know how to share a bad guy. Listen, the Yankees are no different than anybody else, okay? They had their share of steroid guys, they had their share of bad guys. They made their share of mistakes as well, but they resonate because they won a lot. And that's kind of. I can't answer to soccer. I'm not a soccer fan.

[Don]

And they've won in several decades, right?

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don]

Like, Chicago Bulls had a. Had a run of six titles in eight years. The rest of their franchise is history.

[Peter]

And the Patriots and the Chiefs, there's certain teams that have had, you know, they had their dynasty run, but not a lot before, not a lot after. The Yankees, they're kind of going through it now because they haven't won a championship.

[Don]

They've had one in every decade, but.

[Peter]

There seems to be. Every generation's got their Yankee team that won. Not everybody, or at least got to.

[Don]

A World Series every decade. Right?

[Peter]

And I do think, and just like that guy that tweeted, you know, calling the Yankees losers for not winning, you became a fan because you thought you were going to see a bunch of championships. You haven't. So they're a bunch of losers, right? But, like.

[Allen]

Well, I think there's also the argument that they're losers because they seem okay with mediocrity. And that's a fair argument. Cashman. Cashman having a loser's mentality to people, I think is a fair argument based on what he's saying.

[Don]

Meaning, I'm in the black every year, so I'm winning.

[Peter]

I don't mind that we're mediocre.

[Allen]

Here's what we win, but we don't win at all.

[Peter]

See, I think that's a Hal thing, not a Brian thing. You can. You can say that Brian's frustrating because he wants to win his way, but I think Brian wants to win because it's on his legacy, right?

[Allen]

He's the general manager and the handcuffs are given to him. He doesn't set the prices.

[Peter]

But I think, and I'm not saying this is bad, but I think it exists that I think there is a part of, like, Hal, where he's like, dude, I'm winning. Look at. I'm. I'm generating a lot of income. I'm winning. He wants to win. But I don't think he. He looks at it as a failed season. When they're in the black and the building's full and the ratings are high and they win 90 games and they go to the playoffs. I don't think he's crying. That's why everybody talks about what would George do? Well, George realized that if I don't start winning, I'm not gonna make any money.

[Don]

Yeah, business is bad. But right now with Hal and everybody, business is good.

[Peter]

Business is good.

[Don]

But at some point, because of the brand and the history, you gotta win one and you gotta go for it. 09. Remember, they went for it. He went for it. Let's go. Let's do it. Sign him too. Let's get to share. Right? That's the difference is when does that happen again? I think that's what Judge is trying to suggest.

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[Don]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Allen]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter]

Oh, hold the phone. No.

[Allen]

As Sweden puts the biscuit in the basket. Under two minutes to the play. Donnie, tell us what happened.

[Don]

Oh, looks like no.

[Peter]

Mika Zabadajack. Andrew got. Andrew.

[Alan]

You'll get there, don't worry.

[Don]

Anthony.

[Peter]

Anthony. Peter Cusick was like, I can't bet him anytime. Goal scorer. That would be unpatriotic. Well, now, how do you feel?

[Don]

How do you feel?

[Alan]

Tell me you did patriotic.

[Don]

What's patriotic is win some money. That's. That's America.

[Allen]

Yeah, that's America.

[Peter]

That's America.

[Don]

Oh, let's see.

[Peter]

Wow.

[Don]

I don't.

[Allen]

By the way, it's the US Versus Sweden. It's under two minutes to play.

[Peter]

He hit his.

[Allen]

Anthony, the US has been up one nothing the entire game.

[Peter]

I don't think they pulled Markstrom yet, did they?

[Alan]

They said empty net, but I. It did. If they did, it was very early.

[Peter]

Wow, this is amazing. So a little over two minutes to.

[Don]

Go and I see that.

[Peter]

How do you feel?

[Allen]

What's the issue?

[Peter]

I gotta ask.

[Alan]

What is your problem with Hellebuck?

[Don]

He doesn't win when it matters.

[Peter]

He's just not a big game player.

[Alan]

Did you see Jeremy Swayman in the city?

[Peter]

That wasn't two minutes. A minute and a half. Yeesh, A minute and a half.

[Don]

Come on, man.

[Allen]

And this edition of the All Puff.

[Peter]

Podcast, if you're a Ranger fan that you like to be like, oh, well, at least it was a Ranger that tied it. Or you disgusted?

[Alan]

No, no, no, no. I don't. I don't care about that, to be honest. Listen, he's had a good year. This isn't going to like wake him up. I'd like Vincent Trocheck or J.T. miller to score. Might wake them up. Well, maybe. I mean, let's do this.

[Peter]

Oh, it was a hell of a shot.

[Allen]

Now real quick.

[Don]

Yeah, short side.

[Allen]

Now real quick.

[Peter]

They lose. Look at this.

[Allen]

No, no, guys, guys, no, no, no, no. Look at this.

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[Peter]

They can't see.

[Allen]

Please let me have a conversation.

[Alan]

I was answering you, Peter.

[Don]

I'm stuck. I'm sorry. I'm locked in. Right, that's all I've got my country right now.

[Allen]

Turn your mic off. I got it. So what I was going to ask you was they. They lose today? No, that's it.

[Alan]

No medal and no meddling.

[Allen]

It's a race.

[Alan]

Pretty embarrassing if we're going to be honest.

[Peter]

Who we play in Rammer, once they get to the semis, a loss, then you move on to the bronze medal.

[Allen]

That's right.

[Alan]

This doesn't bode well considering all the teams that have tied it late today have come back in the overtime and won Canada, Finland.

[Peter]

Well, because I got to tell you, when. Because I saw this with the Devils when they were trapping back in the 90s. You get that one, nothing lead, you hold on for dear life and the other team ties it. You can't ratchet back up offense that.

[Don]

You were kind of dormant like playing the prevent defense.

[Peter]

And then you just try to get it. Got to wake up again and restart the game. So there's 48.7 seconds to go in regulation. Looks like they're going overtime. And the overtime rules are the same as the NHL. They'll play three on three, so it could be over pretty quick. But it just happened as we were coming back from bridge.

[Alan]

I told you I didn't like what I was seeing.

[Peter]

Oh boy. So we'll see, man. But this is very Captain America.

[Don]

What are you about to.

[Peter]

So we're keeping an eye on this pressure on them.

[Don]

Just like the Canadians. It was tons of pressure.

[Peter]

This is on NBC, right? This is on the. They're not NBC proper. Yes, it's on NBC proper.

[Allen]

Like you dream of it.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Peter]

So I'm a big Connor Hellebuck fan, but Allen's not wrong.

[Allen]

What about Clutterbuck?

[Peter]

He did go to a conference final back in 18, but he's not known as a money goalie.

[Don]

That's been. That's been the knock is that he's really good until.

[Peter]

I still think he's the best of their options. They got a chance here. Wenberg with Wenberg. We're under here guy Warrensky Warensky, who I had is at any time goal scorer seconds.

[Allen]

Can they get one last rush here, Donnie? No, they're not going to.

[Peter]

No. So they're gonna go to overtime. Play a little three on three overtime.

[Don]

White knuckle time.

[Allen]

Now wait, hold on. Is. What are the rules here in the.

[Peter]

3 on 3, like the NHL 3 on 3?

[Allen]

Sudden death.

[Don]

Sudden victory.

[Peter]

Why don't they say sudden victory?

[Don]

Yeah, that's been a change.

[Peter]

Life just sounds more. More vinyl.

[Allen]

Yeah, well, it's. Yes, it's more violent. Yeah, exactly. Gives us something negative. Hey, you know, I didn't mention to you guys. I just mentioned off the air.

[Don]

All right.

[Allen]

How familiar are you guys with Torren Italy?

[Peter]

Just the Torino or the oh, six.

[Allen]

That's where. That's the Gran Torino. What's what Isn't there an event there?

[Don]

Maybe that is. Yeah, it's Torino, right?

[Allen]

Oh, sure. Oh, great.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Allen]

Yeah.

[Don]

I don't know if it's all.

[Peter]

I don't think they filmed the movie Gran Torino. Grant.

[Allen]

Grant.

[Peter]

I would have been odd.

[Don]

That would have been odd.

[Allen]

It was it about though the. That is the. Oh yeah.

[Peter]

Grantee is about the car.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Allen]

That's the Clint Eastwood vehicle.

[Peter]

Yeah. Yes.

[Allen]

Where he plays the bigot on his.

[Don]

Right.

[Peter]

For some reason they decided we got better taxes. We can. Let's. Let's shoot the whole thing in Italy in Torrent.

[Allen]

So WWE announced that they're having an event there in May. Oh and I am a big, big Italy fan. Never been to Torrent. I didn't know how it looks cool looking at the pictures of it. But like Natalie and I, you know, remember last year was France.

[Peter]

Was France year yes.

[Allen]

Feeling like Italy here now.

[Don]

Nice.

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[Peter]

Now how far is that food? Milan.

[Allen]

Milan is 90 minutes and Florence, which I feel like we'd have to make the trip because I love it. And we're gonna be. Is four and a half hours, but we could split that. Split it into two hour. Venice. I've never done. Let's see.

[Peter]

That looks cool.

[Don]

I really want to go to Venice.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Allen]

Natalie's been to Venice. I've never. Natalie's been everywhere. But Venice is. It's four hours.

[Peter]

Also.

[Allen]

Unfortunately different direction than Florence. You never don. Have you done Italy at all?

[Peter]

No, I've never done Europe.

[Allen]

How have you never gone to Italy?

[Peter]

Never.

[Don]

Your name is.

[Allen]

Yeah, no, but his name's Donald. Marco Lugreck.

[Alan]

Nancy doesn't fly.

[Allen]

Okay, well then Drugger, then throw her on the plane.

[Don]

Mr. T didn't like to fly. They got him in a plane.

[Peter]

Are we.

[Allen]

You going to be able to.

[Don]

I mean, it's the first. First pull I could come up with.

[Allen]

I mean, what do you. Don't you don't you want to go? I mean, your dad. Your dad literally got off the boat. He didn't speak. No, he's born here. Grim. Or your dad was born.

[Peter]

Dad was born here.

[Don]

Oh, Grandpa's off the bus.

[Peter]

Grandpa, Grandma and grandpa off the boat.

[Allen]

Your dad didn't speak a lick English. A true Italian.

[Peter]

Yeah. And he went to Italy when he was in. In the navy and.

[Allen]

But. But never took you guys back.

[Peter]

Northern Italy. That's why blue eyes.

[Don]

Okay.

[Peter]

And my brother more like the help. 20. What is it? The 21.

[Allen]

23. And me.

[Peter]

23. Andme. Oh, 6 and 1 and it says that he's from Switzerland.

[Allen]

Oh, right.

[Peter]

Sure.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Because that's how close to the border. Listen, over time has that border maybe shifted?

[Allen]

Sure.

[Peter]

And bloodlines kind of changed a little, you know, that's how Northern Italy.

[Allen]

No one knows what's happened. No one knows whose sister in law was hooking up.

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[Don]

You go on a ski trip, things happen.

[Allen]

Yeah, exactly.

[Peter]

We were at war. Yeah. They didn't keep, you know, sister in law, whatever name. It all counts.

[Allen]

You could always say we were at war.

[Don]

Tony Clark could say that, right?

[Allen]

I'm not sure.

[Peter]

The overtime is underway.

[Allen]

Wait, that's it.

[Peter]

They play well. They go right to three on three. The difference is they play 10 minutes.

[Allen]

Yeah, but they jump right to it. No break.

[Peter]

Then they'll go right to a shootout. If they do not decide this, I.

[Allen]

Don'T like to start for the US I already don't like it.

[Peter]

Well, it's all about possession.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Peter]

And if you don't have a puck. But now the US has the puck.

[Don]

Who we got?

[Peter]

I gotta tell you.

[Allen]

Here we go now. I do like this.

[Peter]

Hold on. No, the most fun that I have calling games is the 3 on 3 on 3. Overtime.

[Allen]

Can you give us a taste?

[Peter]

Can we risk it? No, we can't risk it with the Olympics.

[Don]

We gotta lay out. We gotta lay out, though. Let them go.

[Allen]

We don't want to be great.

[Peter]

They would.

[Don]

Yeah, we don't want to be great, but it's not even our network. People need to know what's happening.

[Peter]

First of all, it's the Olympics, so.

[Allen]

All right, who has the radio rights? Anybody?

[Peter]

I think somebody would come in here.

[Alan]

Iheart, if I'm not mistaken, pull me right out.

[Allen]

Right.

[Peter]

I don't even think it'd be a letter. I think that they would just.

[Don]

The guys in suits would walk right in the room, pick you up and drag you out.

[Alan]

The noises you heard yesterday, they come through the ceiling.

[Allen]

What if.

[Peter]

What are the rules?

[Allen]

That he starts doing it as the jackhammer starts in 15 minutes.

[Peter]

That should change everything.

[Allen]

Oh, this is exciting, though.

[Peter]

It's very.

[Allen]

The US and Sweden in a 11 tie at OC or the chance. What are the semis.

[Don]

We have not beaten the Swedes. Beaten the Swedes in the Olympics since, like 1960.

[Peter]

1960, right.

[Don]

Because in 80, that was a tie.

[Peter]

Adam. As anytime. Goal.

[Don]

Where are you?

[Allen]

I thought you can't call it them. Well, I didn't.

[Peter]

I just.

[Allen]

You said a name.

[Peter]

I can't say.

[Allen]

But in hockey. In hockey, saying a name means a lot.

[Don]

It does.

[Allen]

It's not the same as commentary in another sport. You say that.

[Peter]

They gotta tell you.

[Allen]

You don't like how it looks, right?

[Peter]

No. Oh, he fell. I just can't. It's so hard to do a show. I can't look away.

[Don]

No, I can't.

[Allen]

No. It's three on three hockey in the Olympics.

[Don]

People are going to have to.

[Allen]

There's meddling on the line.

[Don]

We're going to get you through it. We can't get play by play, but you'll know from the tone of our voices. All right, this should be illegal. Agree or disagree?

[Peter]

Kick them out of the zone. What Alan's talking about is usually, see on three on three hockey, they. The team with the puck will take it out of the zone and kind.

[Don]

Of start over and then do it.

[Peter]

And the NHL is considering making that illegal.

[Don]

Yeah, backcourt.

[Peter]

Because it does kill Also takes a lot of the fun out of it.

[Don]

And it kills time, which we don't want to do that.

[Peter]

Zabanajad, who tied the game late, has the puck back behind. I thought you're not.

[Allen]

You're not allowed to do that. You can't stop.

[Peter]

I'm not doing it in the traditional sense.

[Allen]

No, you did it.

[Peter]

I'm talking right now. Breaking it up a little bit.

[Allen]

You got to do what he's. You got to do it. Alan.

[Peter]

Larkin has the puck. I didn't tell you where he has it.

[Allen]

What do you do?

[Don]

There he is. There he is. Why are we going five hole?

[Allen]

I got a good look at it.

[Don]

That's the second time Now, Peter, your.

[Alan]

Thoughts on a red line backcourt violation Just for over. I like that in this type of situation.

[Allen]

Well, it's interesting you say that. Only done in the three on three.

[Alan]

Well, no, no, no, it's not done at all. Oh, you mean like just playing the reset on power plays. You see it a little bit, but there's still four guys on the ice.

[Allen]

Yeah, I'm going to say you don't really see it much though, in.

[Don]

In full, but it's a full on strategy and it allows you to do a line change while possessing puck. And they have to be careful because if they try to line change like.

[Allen]

You can now, you can scorch them.

[Don]

But it just. It's almost like it stretches the ice and the game slows down and you're like, come on, come on, come on, let's.

[Allen]

But at the same time, it's like.

[Don]

Dragging it three on three.

[Allen]

Don't you need a little bit of a slowdown?

[Don]

No, should be go, go, go.

[Allen]

I mean, it's just so hard.

[Alan]

In the beginning, that's what it was.

[Don]

It was phenomenal.

[Alan]

It was. He missed. You missed. Come down the other way. You missed and then somebody scored.

[Don]

Remember that time the Flyers just stayed behind the net like for a minute. Wouldn't come out with it.

[Allen]

Like, how long can you last doing three on three?

[Alan]

Gotta be some quick line changes and you're gonna be smart. Line changes.

[Don]

Look. Oh, don't get a chance.

[Peter]

I'm telling you. You know, they don't have a problem with the ice. The NHL is eventually going to go to 10 minute overtime.

[Don]

I think you're right.

[Peter]

Who wants to see how exciting this is? Who wants to see the shootout?

[Don]

Just Quinn.

[Peter]

Quinn Hughes is like just playing with the fuck between the circles.

[Allen]

Don, that's a great point. Like, who wants to rush this so you can get to a shootout that is unrepresentative of the game.

[Peter]

Now, it doesn't represent the game as much. Yeah, but it's fine. But it's a lot closer than the shooter.

[Allen]

It's a lot closer and it's fun.

[Peter]

But how long does the shootout take?

[Don]

How long does the shootout take?

[Peter]

It could take a while.

[Don]

Two to three minutes. Five minutes. Right. So five more minutes on overtime. It can't hurt anybody.

[Allen]

Well, they just.

[Peter]

But the argument has always been they can only do the dry scrape after regulation. And can the ice take another 10 minutes of play? Well, they're doing it in the Olympics with world class players and bad ice, bad arena. I'm sure it was not even finished when the Olympics started.

[Alan]

If we dusted off the binder that Don and I created on the defunct game of conduct podcast, we'd be all for everything you guys are saying. Even if you got the 10 minutes, just make it ties again. I don't need the shootout. I'm all set. I don't want to see.

[Allen]

Yeah, the shootout.

[Don]

It's. It's. I don't.

[Alan]

I don't want to see. I don't want to see games end in a skills competition. Now, you can make an argument this is a skills competition because it's really not traditional hockey.

[Don]

But it's still hockey.

[Peter]

But it's still passing. You're still checking.

[Allen]

Oh, no, this is definitely still shooting.

[Peter]

It's so much closer to what a traditional sense.

[Allen]

Oh, now Alan's sick that the US Went out of the zone.

[Don]

Sick.

[Allen]

Well, guess what? They messed up too.

[Don]

On side.

[Peter]

They're on side, but they get to, like, start over. And you shouldn't be allowed to do that. But you are. But I do think that's something that might change.

[Allen]

The biscuit.

[Peter]

And a basket. Quinn Hughes.

[Allen]

Quinn A.

[Peter]

In overtime, the US advance.

[Allen]

USA. USA.

[Peter]

Nice shot between the circles. 6, 33 left it over.

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[Peter]

And then they just show. Sweet. So close as they show Savannah.

[Don]

Gracie's texting me.

[Allen]

That was fun.

[Peter]

That was fun. And you know what we could have ignored? I just could not look away.

[Allen]

Sorry, but you said we could have ignored it. No, you couldn't have. You literally used the wrong word.

[Peter]

It was just too much.

[Allen]

You should have ignored it. We couldn't. We were captivated.

[Don]

Can you see what Gracie says? She said let the last line.

[Allen]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Poor Mark.

[Don]

Poor Markey because she's a Devil fan.

[Peter]

And Jacob Markstrom's the Devil goaltender that gave up the goal. He gave up two goals. He couldn't have Done anything about that? It's three on three. Quinn Hughes is a world class player.

[Allen]

How about this? I actually prefer, I think the soccer shootout to the hockey shootout.

[Alan]

I don't disagree with that at all.

[Allen]

Because the soccer thing, even though it's very hard and stadium act against the goalie, there's a level of drama to it that's different. And also soccer simply, your body can only take so much and now you're getting to the point where they just cannot go off.

[Don]

Can't run, right?

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Allen]

Like you had, you had 30 minutes to 90 minutes. These guys have now run 12 miles. You have to do something. In hockey, as hard as it is, there are line changes. You can keep going and make this work. Ten minutes is not that long.

[Peter]

Quinn Hughes gets his first of the tournament.

[Don]

Oh, that's a pretty good one.

[Peter]

Matt Bold. And Austin Matthews get the assists at 327 of overtime and the USA advance.

[Allen]

There you go. So the US went to the semis, goes glove. Well, you called him, you said, why does he keep going? 5 hole, went glove side and gets Marky.

[Don]

You got to know your scout, you got to know Markey.

[Alan]

Now Peter, your guy. A lot of concern why Sid left the game.

[Allen]

Yeah, they won.

[Alan]

They won. But he left and he's going under imaging. They don't know what's going on with that.

[Don]

The knee bent under his leg when it was. Who took him down.

[Alan]

It was Goodis.

[Don]

It was Goodis, right?

[Allen]

Yeah, that's. That's not what you want.

[Don]

So now we have us.

[Alan]

No, I keep getting it mixed up. It's. It's Slovakia. US Slovakia. Because two plays, three and one place. It is Canada. Finland, which is not going to be. Finland's not going to be easy. Canada, Finland, Finland.

[Don]

So. But the gold medal still potentially could be us.

[Alan]

The only way they face each other.

[Peter]

Now, Mike Sullivan has been very aggravated because every time that plays it's at 9:10 local time. 3:10 here. Because of course they want the United States to at least get a chance to enjoy the hockey at a decent time and not like watch clock in the morning. But Mike Sullivan thinks it's been like exhausting for them to play so late in the day till really late is a pretty late time. But I'm assuming that it's going to be 10:30 and 3:10 again.

[Don]

When is that?

[Peter]

Friday we have the times. Yeah. 3:10. United States play Slovakia at 3:10 and what's the time?

[Don]

10:40Am 10:40 on USA. That one's on USA. And US will be on NBC, NBC proper.

[Peter]

So it'll be another 9, 10 start. But hey, listen, Mike, if you win against Slovakia, you'll have an 8:00am start, which will be a 2:00 clock start. So you finally will avoid the three, the 9:10 start. But by then 3:10 here in the United States. But it'll be the gold medal game.

[Don]

So, so on our show Friday, we're going to do this.

[Peter]

The US because of this win, the US does put themselves in a position to guarantee at least a shot at a medal because if they do lose in the next round, they could still win a bronze medal because the losers of the semifinal games will play each other early in the morning on Sunday in bronze medal game. So at least they've guaranteed themselves a shot, not, not a medal, but they guarantee them a shot at a medal. So US Moves on to take on Slovakia on Friday and we'll do this all over again on Friday.

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[Don]

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[Allen]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don]

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[Allen]

It's so hard.

[Peter]

It's. It's it hard.

[Don]

At a watch party with the Pistons playing Knicks. He will be insufferable. But I would hope that we pack this bar so that if the Knicks get a little bit of revenge here after two blowout losses in Detroit, that Knick fans can let Bart have it. Let him hear it because he's been chirping, man. He's been crowing all year and he's got every right to. Is it really good this year?

[Peter]

Yeah, I guess.

[Don]

Man, shut your hole, man.

[Peter]

So Kofi comes through again. We love Kofi.

[Don]

Love Kofi. Love Kofi.

[Peter]

There is a book that came out called the New York Baseball and the Rise of a New City by Kevin Baker. And in Kevin Baker's book there is a quote, it says Mattingly was a rookie. He was being shown the locker room. The clubhouse guy says that was Babe Ruth's locker and Mattingly said, you mean Babe Ruth was real? So this would have been what, 1982?

[Allen]

I hear you, by the way, because Babe Ruth feels religious at times.

[Don]

There is a legend, but you grow.

[Peter]

Up in Indiana and you're a baseball fan. But, you know, it's, it's odd, but it kind of just tells you. And nobody's gonna say that Dom Mattingly was a stupid guy. Dom Mattingly didn't love baseball. But these things, they don't, I shouldn't say they don't age well, but it's like, you know, when you don't have a lot of footage and you have pictures and then, you know, the Casey at the bat, like, things can just get like. I don't know, is it real? What's real? What's not real? You know, we're in New York, so we're inundated with it, Right? And we grew up watching Yankee games. And even if you watch Met games, you know, you hear about the records and see things. If you grew up in Indiana and you didn't have a baseball team to follow and you just played the game, you heard the name, but you don't know what's real or not. But that's kind of. So it was an urban legend, according to this book that actually happened. 1-800-937. You seem to be like, in a way about that.

[Don]

No, because that one's got me. How could you not know? Oh, it's, it's like one of the most famous names in sports.

[Peter]

Right.

[Don]

You could find somebody that's never even, like, has no interest in sports whatsoever. Right. And if you ask them, name one athlete you've ever heard of in your life. Babe Ruth, probably Right. Five names you'll hear.

[Peter]

But if you never saw any footage and you didn't follow the game and you thought it was just a made up story. Made up story. Like I said, Casey at the bat.

[Don]

Yes.

[Peter]

Like, like that's a fictional story.

[Don]

I think Aaron Judge is Casey at.

[Peter]

The bat come to life.

[Don]

Of course, we don't like it when the mighty Casey has struck out.

[Peter]

Yeah. Then the mighty Casey has struck out.

[Allen]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Paul in the Bronx. You're on ESPN New York, Paul. Hi, Paul. I think we lost Paul. He was on hold for a while. Hopefully he didn't fall asleep. Probably did, but he said a Yankee fan base was entitled, so that was what he's going to comment. Please call back Stephen Queen. John, espn, New York. Hi, Steve.

[Caller Jimmy]

Hi, Don. And hello, gentlemen. That whole thing about, you know, World Series or bust, you know, I'VE been a fan a long time. When Steinbrenner bought the team, The Yankees were a.500 team at best. And they couldn't really do much the first couple of years they were playing. Steinbrenner sold the legend of the Yankees. Not the legend, but the history of the Yankees. And all those people were still alive. And by the way, that Don Mattingly story. I've heard that story years ago. I think Phil Rizzuto even said it once on one of the broadcasts. It is true.

[Peter]

Okay, but.

[Caller Jimmy]

To get. Yeah, exactly. To get back to my point, people like Phil Rizzuto and all the other players. Steinbrenner loved the Yankees. I believe the boss did. And he really was a one was smart in this way. He sold the Legends, all those retired numbers, and then everything else like that. He kept on doing the Old Timers Day forever. I mean, that's part of the. The marketing. And one little other point I didn't mention to your producer. I went to a Yankee game for the first time in years to fill in. And there was a nice family, four people all dressed. You know, the kids are dressed up. They're like 5, 6, 7 years old in Yankee outfits. And we're talking. And I was saying I was an old Yankee fan. I hadn't been to the stadium in a long time, blah, blah, blah. And he said, isn't this wonderful? This is where the Legends played. I said, which legends? And he mentioned Mickey Mantle and all.

[Peter]

That stuff you had.

[Caller Jimmy]

No, those were tourists from New Orleans. Wonderful, a nice family. They believed the legend. You know, it's kind of like that movie with John Wayne. And I forgot what it is. I'm getting off my point. Anyway, that's what I think is happening. And the younger people, younger people, people in their 30s and 40s and 20s are spending so much money to go to games they expect the Yankees to win because they have had the money. Now they don't have as much money as the other two teams. I'll shut up.

[Peter]

Now, you look at the history of the Yankees. When there was no draft, they were the best. Then the draft came in, and then there was a little bit of a lull in the mid-60s for the Yankees because now things kind of evened up a little bit. And then the Yankees figured it out, and then they started to dominate again. And then free agency hit. And when you look at free agency, when it hits in the. In the mid-70s, you know, the Yankees won in 76, 77, took advantage of it, but then other teams were able to grab players, and then they kind of evened itself out again. And then you went through the 80s where they didn't win as much. And then there was the big market, small market. Yankees were the big market. They started to win again, and then they put in revenue sharing, and then other teams started to win a little bit. There's always the ebbs and flows.

[Don]

It's just.

[Peter]

It's harder to win. The Yankees have always been the gold standard. They always kind of set the standard. But now take a look at sports. Salary cap, revenue sharing, hedge fund owners coming in, buying teams, just throwing tons of money at a problem where all of a sudden the Padres can afford Manny Machado. Right. That can happen. Before, the Padres are always. They lost guys, now they're able to jump into it. And it's just to hold any team to the standards of the past. It's just unfair. When these commissioners have all done what they do to try to bring parity and even things up a little bit. Like they think that the commissioners all are hoping for. Dodgers, Yankees and Lakers, Knicks. No, the commissioners want parity. They want the smaller market teams to excel. They want all the owners to make money. They don't want teams to move. They don't want teams to die on the vine. Silver wants to see the Sacramento Kings be good. And the Memphis Grizzlies.

[Don]

Absolutely.

[Peter]

And the Oklahoma City Thunder be good.

[Allen]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Yeah, that's exactly it. And every rule they try to implement is to help all the owners make money and have a chance to win.

[Don]

But it's also, like you were just saying, it's the Yankees always adjusting to the times and eventually getting it right again. And being the quote, unquote Yankees. Right. The standard. The Dodgers have sort of taken that as the evil empire, the team that everybody just is trying to compete with but can't. And it's David versus Goliath when you play them. And I still think that's why. I think fans get frustrated, because you know that a fan would say, well, that was always us. Now we're not that team anymore. And so you're frustrated by it. But it doesn't mean that what goes around comes around. Eventually it will come back around and they will be that. And there's gonna come a time where somebody, whether it's Steinbrenner, just realizing it's time to sell and, you know, get as much. He's gonna get how much? 20.

[Peter]

Like, yeah.

[Don]

So that day will come, and then the day comes when somebody else comes in and they will spend because. And then it will be like, see, there they are. They're the Yankees. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Allen]

I don't want to know how the.

[Don]

Sausage is made, man.

[Peter]

I just want to know.

[Don]

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