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Don Hahn
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Alan Hahn
That sounds like heaven to me.
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Don Hahn
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
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Alan Hahn
Game time is brought to you by Telemardu Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time, yeah, it's Tolly time. It's Tully time. We got lots going on tonight. Rangers are in Buffalo to take on the Sabres coverage right here on 880 will be underway when our show is over at 6:30. And Kenny Albert's going to join us coming up at 5:45 to talk about that because he's going to be on the call with Dave Maloney on the television side. Islanders open up their season with the Penguins at seven.
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Don Hahn
Kid makes his debut tonight. Number one pick.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, he does.
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Don Hahn
Yep.
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Alan Hahn
And the Devils are in Carolina to take on the Hurricanes at 7:30. That game can be seen on ESPN plus so it's not an MSG vehicle. That's why I'm not there. The Giants host the Eagles on Thursday night football at 8:15. And the Knicks have a preseason game against the Minnesota Timberwolves of the garden at 7:30. And Alan Hans can be a part of that broadcast.
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Don Hahn
But don't watch that.
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Alan Hahn
I will watch every second you guys.
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Don Hahn
Call tomorrow and tell Don what he.
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Alan Hahn
Missed after the Bart thing. I'm all over Telemore Do. The original triple distilled, triple blended, triple cast matured Iris whiskey. Be sure to grab a Telemore do or two. Try the new Tullamore do. Honey, during today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullamore do responsibly. It's frustrating to be a Yankee fan. And listen, I will say that I always talked about spoiled Yankee fans and I think that you should be happy that you have a team that's in it every single year. Okay, I will say that because not every team can say that. Matter of fact, no team can say that. But I understand the frustration of never seeing it come to fruition that you've got a plan and you know you're good enough and you just can't get it done. And last Year stung. And you love the pivot off of Soto to Freed and Bellinger and Goldschmidt. And you didn't have the regular season that you hoped to. Let's face it, 93 win, 94 wins was not on the bingo card. You thought you were going to run away with this division then because you played with your food. Losing a game to the Rockies this year. Right. Getting swept by the Marlins this year, you had to play on the road in the divisional round of the playoffs instead of hosting the Toronto Blue Jays. And maybe things would have been different. But still, to have it end the same way it always ends. Allen not being able to hit, leaving runners in scoring position. Yeah, we could talk about the bullpen, we could talk about the starting pitching in the series. But facing an opener in an elimination game and you scored two runs, and that's the same old song and dance.
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Don Hahn
That's what I want to say is about the same old. We always do the same old jets, right? We always. That's a moniker that's never going to go away. Because why? Because same old jets means it resembles the same thing, right? When you. When you say same old jets, what you're referring to is, is that. That's when. That's when they're at their worst. Boy, it shows. That's typical of them in this current generation of Yankees. Saying same old Yankees is not at the same level as same old jets, of course.
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Alan Hahn
No.
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Don Hahn
But it's very similar in that the way they're losing feels like the same way. And what I mean is that eight out of nine years, you made the playoffs eight out of nine years. The ending has never felt like, well, that team was just. Well, he ran into a great team. Boy, what a good team that was.
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Alan Hahn
Not even last year, like.
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Don Hahn
No, because the way it ended, kicking the ball around, making errors, like, just shooting the foot, like, it just was an embarrassing way to. You're in the World Series, going to Nesta Cortez, when everybody in game one's going, what the hell are you doing? Right.
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Alan Hahn
Mm.
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Don Hahn
So it's just. That's the stuff that, instead of just thinking, boy, gave that a run, maybe 2017, until we found out what happened. But before then, maybe it's just like, boy, that was a fun run from the baby Bombers. This is just the beginning. I remember Ty Butler used to get mad at me because I called it house money, right? Because it was such a young team. And I felt like this is the beginning. This is. You know, you always have to lose before you win. And that's what this experience is going to be for them. Watch, you'll see they're going to win one. That didn't happen because year after year it ended up being like the same way you lost, that they squelched your power lineup, that your big offense that you had all season long somehow got shut down. And every year you walked away feeling empty, like, no, there was more for this team to give. It just didn't do it. And so you also know that for the majority of those years, they kept changing out players. Yeah, there was a little bit of a core of guys. The judge is the only one that's been here for the whole thing. But you can't keep changing the players and then keep blaming the players for failing. At some point you stop and say, hang on a second. A formula that really works well in the regular season always seems to get shut down in the postseason. Why? Why does a team like the Rays find a way to shut you down? The Red Sox know a way to shut you down. This Blue Jays team knew exactly what to do. Knew exact. They had the book on you from game one. How is it that everybody else seems to know what you're going to do and how to stop what you're doing, but you run into a team that you can't figure out how to beat them? And that's the part that frustrates me. Last year's World Series we was, yes, that's a really good team. So you gotta be on it. You gotta be on it. And instead they kept making self inflicted wounds that just made it harder. And eventually you obviously lose. Freeman was unreal. I just feel like this starts to become a broken record, Don. This starts to feel like same old, Yankees dominate regular season, can't win in October. And it's different players, but it's the same result. So when it's that, you start questioning the system and the means of how they think they can win.
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Alan Hahn
So obviously the two people.
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Don Hahn
And that starts at the top with Brian Cashman.
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Alan Hahn
Brian Cashman. But also we can't exempt Hal from this conversation either because even though Hal's not the baseball guy, well, you're either.
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Don Hahn
Coaching it or allowing it to happen.
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Alan Hahn
Hal is the guy, the enabler of.
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Don Hahn
That's the word.
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Alan Hahn
We need to make a change here now, Brian. Maybe we got to bring somebody else in. Somebody that is of like mind but maybe has some different ideas, something fresher, something newer. You've done a hell of a job here. We appreciate it. And you're going to the hall of Fame, man. You've accomplished a lot here in your time. You started out as an intern in 1986. You've been the general manager of this team for over 25 years. But it's time. Listen, the Devils parted from Lou Lamarello. Now, that came from a change in ownership, but Hal needs to look and say that, yeah, you're great, but listen, this is not what we want and we've got to make a change. And if he's not going to make a change, Brian certainly isn't all of a sudden going to find religion. He's going to double, triple, quadruple down on how he believes this should be run. So then it's never going to change. So as much as we defend Hal, he spends money and he wants to win. That's the guy that can evoke that change by just saying, he's not my general manager.
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Don Hahn
Someone please ask Hal Steinburner the question because he's. He was criticized in the last couple of years about spending and as cheap, which is ridiculous. I'll always defend him. He is willing to spend. Him calling and saying, no, don't let Judge go, whatever it takes. We gotta call him personally. Will it. Will you sign? If we give you this, he'll. He'll up the ante, pushing the Soto thing, right? All that stuff was there. That's how. So anybody that says that he's. He's not willing to spend is that you're wrong. He is willing to spend. My question is, is his money being spent wisely? Well, that's what I want to know.
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Alan Hahn
Here's.
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Don Hahn
Is your money being spent and wisely for all?
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Alan Hahn
Getting bang for your buck is. And this is the dirty little secret that Yankee fans don't want to hear, is that maybe they don't see the failure. Maybe Hal is perfectly happy with. With Brian Cashman, because, I don't know, you get me to the playoffs all the time.
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Don Hahn
I see perfectly happy to me as an extreme. Is he. Is he content? Because eight of nine years they've been in the playoffs, 33 straight years they've had a winning record. So you're never an embarrassment of a franchise. You're not the Giants, you're God forbid, you're not the Jets. You don't go through lulls like this. You don't deal with what the Mets deal with. You don't fans that bring paper bags. You're not embarrassed. The house is full. That's all good. You're content. But even Hal Steiner has to reach a point where he's like, guys, can we get a ring? Can we do this, please? All right.
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Alan Hahn
And here's what I think would happen. If Hal said to him, I want to get a ring, Brian might say.
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Don Hahn
To him, wasn't that 2009?
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Alan Hahn
Listen, I'll get you a ring. You want a ring? I'll get you a ring. But be prepared, because the decisions I make to win that championship in 26.
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Don Hahn
Which isn't a guarantee, which is not.
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Alan Hahn
A guarantee, could come at the expense of us being as competitive as we've been for the foreseeable future. If you want, I'll trade Volpe, or we'll just release him and we'll have Cavaliero's got another year left on his contract, become our shortstop. You want me to sign Bellinger even though he's gonna be 34 years old and even though our numbers tell you that he might not age well? You know what? Okay, we'll give him the contract and make sure that he's going to be our first baseman next year.
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Don Hahn
All right? You.
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Alan Hahn
You want. You want it? All right. You want me to trade Jones and Dominguez and bring in another. I'll do it. All right? And we'll win the championship. We'll have the parade. But don't come complaining to me in 27, 28, when we were 82 and 84, or 80 and 84, missed the playoffs, because some of the decisions I'm going to make to win that championship at 26 may come at the expense of our future. I'm. I'm. I don't know this for a fact, but I believe that's what he would say, because he always said, I want championships, not a championship. And if he presented that to Hal, how would he go? I do want that championship, but I also like the fact that we go to the playoffs every year, and I love the ratings on yes, and I love the building being full. I don't know if I want to sit there in the middle of the summer of 2028 watching 100 loss team, because Hal is not going to go throw $100 million into the fold either to make sure that that doesn't happen.
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Don Hahn
I think what you're saying is missing the point of what I'm trying to make. The point I'm trying to make has nothing to do with spending more. What I'm saying is spend wisely. And what I'm also saying is the players keep changing, but the ending always looks the same.
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Alan Hahn
Right?
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Don Hahn
So that.
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Alan Hahn
Got to tell you that maybe the approach. But what he's going to tell you the approach. The approach. We're complimenting Toronto, we're to going complimenting Boston, we're complimenting Houston, right, For what they've done, winning their championships. But Houston had to tank for several years to get the picks, to get the Altuve, to get the superstar players that they got. And that meant being awful for four or five years. Right. The Boston Red Sox between championships finished under.500.
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Don Hahn
They weren't going to spend like this. You don't have to do that because you have talent. You're acting like you don't have talent.
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Alan Hahn
I'm not saying that.
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Don Hahn
You got to say. I'm saying it's not the talent. I'm saying it's the style of play.
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Alan Hahn
Right? But the style of play is conducive to the end game of we go to the playoffs every year. And I don't want to ruin that by going and throwing a bunch of decisions into one year and have it come at the expense of the future. That's the only logical answer. Because otherwise why is it happening this way about this? They must love what they do. The guy has not come close to losing his job. Aaron Boone just got a contract extension. There has not been a significant change to this organization since 2017. Every year is looked upon as a failure, yet no one is held accountable. So I have to assume, Allen, they're cool with this.
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Don Hahn
Of course. Content. But it doesn't make it right. And at some point you would need a result. Here's an incredible thing. Think about this. Aaron Boone has managed what, eight years, right?
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Alan Hahn
Just finished his eighth season.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, he has. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Yeah, he's made seven playoff appearances. You know, it's the second longest run that you've made the playoffs without a World Series like that. Like, like you would think, like you've.
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Alan Hahn
Been there a lot, right? Because the mistake that you and a lot of Yankee fans are making, you gotta break through this is unacceptable. What I'm telling you is inside the offices of Yankee Stadium, it is not the disaster that you're making it out to be.
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Don Hahn
Really?
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Alan Hahn
Because if it was, they'd make a change.
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Don Hahn
Well, they aren't making a change because they believe in what they're doing. But if you listen to the captain last night post game, he doesn't sound like a guy that's content.
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Alan Hahn
All right, what was he going to do about it? You just said he's not the kind of guy that's going to storm into Brian's office and say, make Some changes. Re sign Bellinger, get me some protection in that lineup. He's not going to be that guy. So I don't disagree with anything you're saying or what the fans are saying. But when you see the contentment or how cool they are with everything and no significant change. You're telling me anybody would blink an eye if they let Brian Cashman go. Hey, listen, you've gone. Listen. 16 years without playoff success. You've been here forever. It's time to go. They're not going to do that. Why? Because they don't think he's doing a bad job.
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Don Hahn
Which is worse. The 18 years that it took from 79 to 95 without a, without a World Series championship, that you were just a dumpster fire of a franchise for the majority of that time. Embarrassment of a franchise or what could be 18 years if they don't get there next year and they've made the playoffs every year, every other year and they have a winning record every single year. Which one looks worse? Because it's almost like the excuse the.
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Alan Hahn
Old days looked worse, but you were.
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Don Hahn
Such a poorly run.
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Alan Hahn
The building was empty.
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Don Hahn
But you were such a poorly run franchise. It's like, of course, of course you weren't going to win, but this is like you're really good every year.
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Alan Hahn
Every good. Yeah, but look what comes with never win, never win. But are you doubting my philosophy or my theory that hey, I'll get you a championship, but you know, don't come crying to me if in 27 the building's half full because we're going to be a 90 loss.
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Don Hahn
You're making it sound like you have to rip up the roster or you have to overspend. You. The roster itself is fine.
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Alan Hahn
No, because they problem is it's the way.
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Don Hahn
Why are they so predictable?
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Alan Hahn
Well, because Hal is not.
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Don Hahn
You can't keep changing.
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Alan Hahn
I'm not calling Hal cheap, but Hal is not going to go out there and spend Dodger money. He's not doing it.
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Don Hahn
I have not said you have to do that.
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Alan Hahn
Right, but, but, but you're. But he's already got the third highest payroll, okay? And I don't think it's going to get any higher because he doesn't have.
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Don Hahn
Steve Cohen to try a different way. Right, but then try a different way.
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Alan Hahn
Because they're not gonna try a different way because they believe this way is working. What don't you get?
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Don Hahn
That's the part I'm trying to understand.
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Alan Hahn
How you're not supposed to understand it because you are Going off a philosophy that George had. It is a standard that George had. All we know is they're lighting cigars today. Good job, guys. Another season of sellout crowds. Another season of record ratings on yes.
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Don Hahn
No way.
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Alan Hahn
Another playoff round. Yeah, it's stinks that we didn't win the World Series, but great job, everybody.
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Don Hahn
There's no way.
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Alan Hahn
Then why isn't anybody held accountable for these failures? Why? You keep telling me it's unacceptable. No one is ever held accountable for it. So why am I wrong?
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Don Hahn
You're asking the wrong person. I can't answer that.
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Alan Hahn
All I'm trying to tell you is I want you to agree with me that they're up in their ivory tower, looking down and saying, hell of a season, boys.
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Don Hahn
I can't believe.
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Alan Hahn
Oh, shucks, we didn't win. I want to win. It'd be great if we won. Who doesn't want to win? Everybody wants to win. But they are not going to stray from their plan. Because their plan is working. Because there's also another plan besides the piece of tin that Manfred gives out. Every year there is. We make money every year. We're not an embarrassment like all the other franchises in our city are every single year. We're not the Mets who just blew it, didn't even make the playoffs this year. Going out and get the best player in baseball and not make the playoffs. We're not an embarrassment like the Giants and Jets. We're not the Knicks that they take to the streets every time they win a stupid playoff game. We're not the Rangers that have one championship in 85 years. We're winning. What is everybody complaining about? And if I'm wrong, then tell me who's out of a job because they didn't win? Who?
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Don Hahn
The assistant hitting coach. It'll always be somebody like that.
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Alan Hahn
The little chum that they throw the fans. That's garbage. And the only reason Girardi was let go was because he wasn't part of this philosophy. Not because he did a poor job. Not because he wasn't a good manager. He was a heck of a manager. Got him within a whisker going to the World Series with a team that probably wasn't all that good.
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Don Hahn
Very young team.
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Alan Hahn
But he didn't believe the philosophy, he didn't drink the Kool Aid, and he was out. So if I'm wrong, Alan, and all these and everybody else is right, then why is no one held accountable when they supposedly.
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Don Hahn
My theory fail? My theory. Hal's afraid. Because you know what they always do well, who are you gonna get? Who are you gonna get that's better.
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Alan Hahn
To the New York. Yeah. You said all the money, you can't find the next great general manager.
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Don Hahn
I didn't say not my job. But that's what it becomes. You bring in somebody who's like, look at David Stearns. He's got all the resources. How's he doing? And he was thought to be like the next bright superstar general manager. This is his team, his home ground, like he's a hometown team and he's come here and I had a little miracle last year, and this year's a disaster, but we'll see, right? So you don't want to take that step. The given and the known is cashmere.
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Alan Hahn
What are you saying?
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Don Hahn
And that's what he's saying. He's afraid to take a chance on somebody else who could come in and say, I know what I'm doing.
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Alan Hahn
Because while I'm looking for that guy, for all I know, David Stearns will be a genius and will lead to a bunch of championships. But in the meantime, there's the growing pains of, of a humiliation that the Yankees have not ever faced.
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Don Hahn
And then you have that regret of you fired a guy you shouldn't have fired because at least you were winning every year. And that goes back to what you're saying. That's a theory I have. I don't know if it's true, but all I know is I just want Hal Steinbrenner to tell me whether or not he feels like his money is being spent wisely.
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Alan Hahn
And for all I know, I don't think it is. Well, you don't think so, but I think he thinks so because I don't see many empty seats.
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Don Hahn
So everyone else just seems to figure out the Yankees at various times in.
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Alan Hahn
October, again playing the role of, Of. Of Brian. But Brian will say, all right, the Blue Jays were better than us this year. They finished in last place last year. We didn't. We went to the World Series last year. They finished in last place. Right. So they, Houston got all those players because they tanked the Red Sox. How many losing seasons between World Series did they go through? Bobby Valentine losing 100 games. That's never happened on my watch. Giants championships in 10, 12, 14. What happened in between and what happened since? Have they gotten a sniff since their.
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Don Hahn
Last championship's been 11 years, 16 years.
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Alan Hahn
Where are the Royals after they run the back to back World Series? Where they been?
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Don Hahn
Don't come to me.
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Alan Hahn
Tigers haven't won a world series since 1984.
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Don Hahn
And now you can pick apples and oranges.
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Alan Hahn
But you're arguing with me. You should be. I agree with Brian. Because this is what Brian's going to tell you.
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Don Hahn
But that doesn't make sense. You want to. Here's your comps. Your comps are the Red Sox, when they spend your comps. The Dodgers. Your comps are now the Mets. Your comps are the teams that spend. Don't give me the Royals.
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Alan Hahn
Okay, well, the Reds spend and then they decide not to spend and then they fall apart.
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Don Hahn
Right. Well, that. That's an ownership thing. So it just shows you that sometimes.
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Alan Hahn
And I also. And I. And Michael swears to God this isn't true, but I will go to my grave believing this.
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Don Hahn
What's that?
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Alan Hahn
I don't think Brian wants to spend money. I think he wants to win with the knowledge and the analytics. He'd love to go to Pittsburgh and win a World series with a $30 million.
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Don Hahn
That's what I want.
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Alan Hahn
Because he doesn't want the championship to look like it was bought.
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Don Hahn
Right?
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Alan Hahn
Like the allegations from the four championships of five years. The Yankees bought those championships. Look at the players they brought in. They brought in wells, they brought in Roger Clemens. That's why he fought. He didn't want the share.
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Don Hahn
There's still titles.
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Alan Hahn
He didn't want the sheriff who got the share. I know House said, go spend the money.
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Don Hahn
Yeah. Go get him. Made him wait or join George, but.
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Alan Hahn
I think George was out of it by then. Pretty much how he was still alive. But you know what I'm saying. Is it that. So that's the dirty little secret back there too.
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Don Hahn
I want the narcissist leading the franchise, winning his way.
- [21:36]
Alan Hahn
Mike Greenwell passed away. Boston Red sox from the 80s. Yeah, it looks like he's 61.
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Don Hahn
62.
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Alan Hahn
1963 to 2025. He was a heck of a player. I just saw that pop up. Red Sox just tweeted it out.
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Don Hahn
Don't know the backstory, but Don legrec is randomness. Nothing like it.
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Alan Hahn
Well, I mean, listen, man's dead.
- [21:58]
Don Hahn
Yes.
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Alan Hahn
I was somebody that I watched play.
- [22:02]
Don Hahn
Me too.
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Alan Hahn
Not that much older than me.
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Don Hahn
True. You're affected by it. I'm sorry, but you look great. Even for a day that you're not, like, doing a game. Thank you. Came in. You came in. You came in. You know. Nice. And you too.
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Alan Hahn
You look spectacular.
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Don Hahn
Well, I got to clean up still.
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Alan Hahn
You would have. Spoon. 1, 800, 3, 7, 7, 6.
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Don Hahn
Wow.
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Alan Hahn
Coming up, Damian Woody.
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Don Hahn
Yes.
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Alan Hahn
He would talk Some football on ESPN New York.
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Don Hahn
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Alan Hahn
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Don Hahn
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Alan Hahn
He's Damian Woody joins us at 5:30 every Thursday here on Don Han and Rosenberg. How are you, sir?
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Damian Woody
I'm well. How you guys doing?
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Don Hahn
Not great. D. Wood Yankee season's over. You know, it happens here in New York. When that happens, we all get depressed and it's time now to focus on New York football.
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Alan Hahn
Oh yeah, baby.
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Damian Woody
Oh boy.
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Don Hahn
Giants Eagles tonight. D. Wood and there's a lot. It's funny thing is, first of all, the Eagles never lose on Monday night, on Thursday night. The Giants never win on Thursday night. But yet both teams have issues. The Giants should have won that game last week, they didn't. They've got a million injuries. But the Eagles have internal stuff going on there. Are they a running team? Are they a throwing team? They had a team meeting. Do you have any wonder about tonight's performance by the Eagles or do you think this is going to be a steamroll?
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Damian Woody
Well, here's my, here's my thought process. So the Eagles aren't very good on offense. Everyone's talked about, you know, what's happening to Saquon Barkley. You know, their offense is too predictable. All those things are true. Their offensive line is not nowhere near what it was last year when they were arguably, in my opinion, the best offensive line in football. And so if you're the New York Football Giants, here's the things that you, here's the game plan. Don't give them anything cheap meaning, don't turn the ball over. Play a clean game, okay? Manage your rookie quarterback, that Giants defensive front. Get after this Philadelphia office line because you can't get after them. Force turnovers if you can.
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Kenny Albert
Okay?
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Damian Woody
If you can do those things, you absolutely can win this game. Because trust me, the Philadelphia Eagles, Even though they're 4 1, they're very, they're vulnerable right now.
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Alan Hahn
What do you think two games in about Jackson Dart?
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Damian Woody
Listen, I think he's a high energy guy. Obviously I've talked about juice, you know, all those things, you know, mobile guy, you know, listen, he got really good art and talent, all those type of things. I think the key, the big thing for Brian Day ball, you got to manage him. You got to manage him knowing that you're still developing this guy, he's still learning his pro game. So manage him, put him in positions to, to win because trust me, he's going up against a very good Eagles defense. So you got to manage him. Punting is okay. It's okay to punt, it's okay to play the field position game. But if you can play a clean game and play to your strengths, that's got to be the key, in my opinion.
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Alan Hahn
Now Slayton's out. You already got neighbors out. They went like almost 50% to tight end in the game last week. Can you go even more than that, or how do you change it up? Losing yet another weapon.
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Damian Woody
Yeah, listen, I think you got to play to your personnel strengths, right? So if your personnel, you know, strength dictate that you need to have multiple tight ends on the field, then that's what you got to do. You know, I've always said, like, this thing, you know, that's really in vogue in the National Football league right now. Two tight ends, what they call 12 personnel, you know, put that on the field, you know, get underneath center, play action pass or on early downs. You know, do all those things. Run the football, utilize the rpo, run pass option. Those are the type of things that you can do with a. With a mobile quarterback. In Jackson Dart.
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Don Hahn
Isn't that what you guys did in New England? Wasn't that always the two tight end thing?
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Damian Woody
Well, that was really, like, right after I left, so it was after you. That's when it kind of. That's when it. That's when, you know, Coach Belichick, you know, basically brought that back into the league. And then all of a sudden, it.
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Don Hahn
Just morphed from there wasn't like Algae Crumpler.
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Damian Woody
Yeah, he was. Well, he was well after me.
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Don Hahn
He looked like an offensive lineman. Playing tight end, though. He was huge. He had soft hands. He did the Saquon Giants beef. Are you getting tired of it now? He's got the documentary out on prime, and it's really mostly about him, but he does really go into detail about the divorce with the Giants, and he really does. It does make the Giants look big bad, like real bad. And it's almost like to a point. Can we just. Is it. Can we just move on?
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Damian Woody
Okay, who cares? Who cares? Like, we're over a year removed from that now. He went on to Philadelphia, obviously had a. One of the all time great seasons. They won the Super Bowl. Like, why, like, what's the point of even rehashing any of that now? Everyone knows it was a bad decision at the time. Okay, so we're. We're now over a year removed from that. So the Philadelphia Eagles are in their situation. The Giants have moved on and, and got their own situation going on. I know, me, personally, I don't care. I don't care about any of that.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, just, it's, it's just silly. It's petty at this point.
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Commercial Announcer
He won.
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Alan Hahn
He got the Super Bowl. Giants are a mess.
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Don Hahn
Just move on. It's over.
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Alan Hahn
I don't know why he hangs on to that. You mentioned Bill Belichick. What's your read on what's going on with him?
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Damian Woody
Yeah, yeah. Guys, listen, I just think that, I think it's time, I think, I think it's time for Bill and North Carolina to go their separate ways. I just, when you watch them, they're not even competitive guys. They're not even competitive out there. I mean, they got this big turnover on roster. You have, you know, allegedly, there's, there's turmoil with as far as the players and, you know, people in the program and is, it's just like at some point, is it even worth it? Is it even worth it to have Bill Belichick as your head coach at this point? If you, if you're UNC right now because you're talking about more things outside of the game than the actual product on the field.
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Don Hahn
Yeah.
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Damian Woody
So I just think that it's just, you know, I think it's just time to move for everyone to move on.
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Don Hahn
Do you think for him, coaching wise, like this has tarnished any chance of him coaching again in the NFL?
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Damian Woody
I think coaching in the NFL is over.
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Don Hahn
Over.
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Damian Woody
I mean, because, because who, who, like, first of all, it's not like he made a bunch of friends in the NFL.
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Don Hahn
That's number one.
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Damian Woody
Yeah. So who's there, who's there to advocate for, for Bill Belichick in the National Football League right now? Like the few coaches that, that are still in the, in the league. You know, Josh McDaniels is the offensive coordinator with Mike Vrabel. Okay. The, the. I forgot his defensive coordinators with Ohio State. Like he, like, you know, like there's not many coaches that really advocate for him right now. Yeah, Matt. Patricia, there's not many coaches that are in the league that are advocate for him. So I honestly, I think it's, I think that's over. I think the league has moved on.
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Don Hahn
And talk about Petty, like he, he won't let the Patriots do anything with the, with the program. They're not around the program, apparently. Was it Drake May wasn't allowed to be on the field or something? Like, like, it's so bizarre.
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Damian Woody
Yeah, see that, see, you know, you know that, you know, petty is the right word, but also you're hurting the kid. You're hurting a young man in the program as well.
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Don Hahn
I agree.
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Damian Woody
Not having scouts from, you know, from the Patriots organization, not having a bit like you literally hurting your own players. So, you know, it's just unfortunate that it's gotten to this point.
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Alan Hahn
I'm talking to Damian Woody, his weekly spot here on Don Hahn and Rosenberg. Jets are in London. They left on Monday. The way things have gone now, Owen Fox, five turnovers. Does it. Can it be healthy just to kind of get away, just to get away from everything and maybe play a better, more decent game against a really good team, the Denver Broncos on Sunday?
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Damian Woody
Yeah, it can.
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Don Hahn
It can.
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Damian Woody
It can definitely help to get, you know, get out of the noise of this, you know, this media market here.
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Kenny Albert
In Tri State area.
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Damian Woody
And listen, I think the biggest thing for, for the jets is a couple things. One, stop hurting yourself. Like, you give yourself no chance when you commit stupid penalties and, you know, you turn the ball over and oh, by the way, you haven't gotten one turnover in five games, which is unheard of in the National Football League. So if you just play a clean game, how about getting your hands on the football and stop committing stupid penalties and maybe you'll have a shot to win a football game.
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Alan Hahn
Do you see anything that gives you an indication that Aaron Glenn could be a good coach? Forget what he did in Detroit. Just like right now as a head coach, I'm.
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Damian Woody
Yeah, listen, I haven't wavered on Aaron Glenn. I just think that, listen, at the end of the day, the guys on the field and I spoke and I said this on Monday on get up, like, the guys on the field got to have more pride in their profession. Like have some pride in your, in the way you go about doing your business. Because I know ag. I know his message and he's steadfast on preaching the message because it's tried, true and, and it's. And it's. And it's worked in this league. But ultimately AG is not on the field. The players on the field. This is like, I could sit here and go at Ag all I want, but at the end of the day, the players out there going to make, making it happen. They have to be the ones that. That's going to be the change and.
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Don Hahn
Turn this thing around. We talked about it a couple of weeks ago, right? Like, the culture is such a. It's such a difficult thing to flip, especially with franchises that are just used to losing and everybody's used to them losing. It just, it takes forever. Let's have some fun. Oh, go ahead. You want to add one more point?
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Damian Woody
No, I'M just going. I'm just going to say, I think the one thing, my one observation with the jets is like, sometimes when you're down and you lose it, like everyone's waiting for, well, who's gonna make a play? Who's gonna be the person? Make a play? And the way you flip it is I have to be the person that's gonna go make the play. I can't wait for the next guy to do it. I have to do it. If you have a collective group of guys that's thinking like that, then things will start manifesting and stuff, and things will start happening.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, that's usually what we've seen was the type of player you need as an MV caliber player. Where we're at five weeks going into six weeks. Are you buying the Baker Mayfield playing at an MVP level? There's been a lot of luck on his side this year.
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Damian Woody
No, absolutely. Think about this. Think about this now, Alan. Coming into the season over the last couple of years, Baker Mayfield is. Led the league in touchdown passes. Over the last two years, he's. Think about this. His last two offensive coordinators are now head coaches. That's how well he has played down in Tampa. So Baker is the thing I love about Baker. He's playing his best at the most, at the most important time in games. And so that, to me, is what, like, that's what it's all about. When we talk about MVPs and these awards, it's about moments. People think about the moments. And Baker Mayfield seems like every week has moments that just like, yeah, that dude, he's that guy.
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Don Hahn
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
It's pretty, pretty amazing when you see the turnarounds of Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones and Baker Mayfield that just sometimes it takes the right team. It just takes the maturity for it to all come out. Now you got a little something going on. So they got a big day, right? You got the Giants and the Eagles. You got all the baseball playoff games going on. Alan Hans working a Nick preseason game.
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Don Hahn
I know what he's gonna be watching that.
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Alan Hahn
Well, you got Islanders, Pens, man. Penn's coming off a big shutout win against the Rangers. What are you watching tonight, man?
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Damian Woody
I'm watching. Well, obviously I gotta watch the Thursday Night Football game because. Because I'm doing Postgame Sports center with svp. But, bro, I got, I got my setup, I got myself. I'm watching a little bit of everything. You listen, Don, you know, I love my Islanders. I'm watching everything. I'm watching. I got my eye on A little bit of everything right now. By the way, this is the best time of year in sports.
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Don Hahn
Oh, yeah.
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Damian Woody
In my opinion, this is the best time of year.
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Don Hahn
Yes. We have, we have days today. We have. Because of preseason. We have all four going tonight right now.
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Alan Hahn
It doesn't count as a sports equinox.
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Don Hahn
No, it's not the equinox.
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Alan Hahn
It's just preseason.
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Don Hahn
But we do have all four tonight. That's pretty cool when you consider that there is which is tremendous.
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Damian Woody
And oh, by the way, I'm loving the fact that the Yankees are now.
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Don Hahn
With my Red Sox, you know what going it's unnecessary.
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Alan Hahn
Hey, by the way, family members that you have in your house that are Yankee fans are talking about.
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Don Hahn
Hang on, Laker fan. Did you hear about LeBron and the sciatica injury? Like, like if nothing screams old man, like, oh, my sciatica is acting up.
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Damian Woody
Hey, listen, listen. You're going too far now. You're going too far. No need, no need to assault me with that, with that Lakers slander right there.
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Alan Hahn
No, we love you, D Wood. We'll talk to you next week.
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Damian Woody
All right, Take it easy.
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Alan Hahn
All right, that's Damian Woody, his weekly spot at 5:30 every Thursday on Don Han and Rosenberg. Now Jordan Ronan was on dpa tro in Rothenberg and getting ready for this game against Philadelphia tonight. Again, Slayton out neighbors done for the year. Jordan, who's darkin to throw the ball to.
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Jordan Ronan
What we're going to see is a lot of two tight ends like we saw the other day. I mean that's what the Giants have healthy right now. I mean, Daniel Bellinger was their leading receiver in this last game. Theo Johnson caught a pair of touchdowns. We're going to see the Giants run a lot of two tight end sets and three tight end sets. And they ran it 42% of the time the other day. I think it might be over 50 in this game. And you know they're very short on wide receivers right now. So Jalen Hyatt played some didn't even notice he was in the game.
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Don Hahn
Right.
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Jordan Ronan
You know, he just runs deep and occasionally will just chuck the ball up to him. Even if the the guys are back.
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Kenny Albert
There.
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Jordan Ronan
That'S when he gets the ball. It's wild. But yeah, I think we're going to see a lot of two tight ends and a little bit of mix of Jalen Hyatt, little Jordan Humphrey, Bo Collins alongside Wandell Robinson.
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Don Hahn
Dart loves Theo Johnson like the two of them.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, for sure.
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Don Hahn
You could tell, like he finds him in the end zone. So it is something to watch.
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Alan Hahn
Now Tracy's questionable. So Jordan, is he going to play? Yes.
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Jordan Ronan
He has no injury designation. So we're going to see Tyrone Tracy. I don't know in what kind of role. I think it's we're going to see him in sort of a split type role with Cam Scatter Boo maybe. So Scatterboo's not taking so many hits and preserve him long term here. I think that that's probably best for everybody with the way he plays. I think it's actually a good combination because Tyrone Tracy has that more home run hitter ability where Cam Scatterboo brings that. You know, I'm going to lower my head and run through you hammer.
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Alan Hahn
Now this is usually the type of game where the Giants have the throwback where it says Giants on the helmet. Is that what they're doing tonight?
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Don Hahn
I don't know. Are they, Anthony?
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Alan Hahn
It feels like that because you know what, they don't win in prime time and they don't win with those uniforms.
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Don Hahn
So going Kelly Green.
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Alan Hahn
A lot of people love the the Giants tonight getting a seven and a half.
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Don Hahn
Something's got to give you lot.
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Alan Hahn
You feeling it tonight?
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Don Hahn
Definitely not feeling all right.
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Alan Hahn
Well, you got time.
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Don Hahn
The giants are owing 10 on Thursdays. The only winless team.
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Alan Hahn
Only winless.
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Don Hahn
The Eagles are 10 and 1. I think something's got to give. Maybe you know the last time the Giants won on Thursday night. How far back can you go?
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Alan Hahn
You know what, I'll answer that when we come back. I'm going to think about it because I don't want to keep Kenny Albert waiting.
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Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Alan Hahn
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Don Hahn
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
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Alan Hahn
MSG Networks has the Rangers Sabres game tonight with a 6:30 pregame show and 7pm puck drop. It's also the first broadcast with the new duo of Kenny Albert and Dave Maloney on the call for MSG Networks. After working 20 years together here on ESPN New York, they're now together again on television. It was a great decision by MSG to promote these guys to tv. Was an honor working with them for all of those 20 years, filling in for Kenny doing pre and post. And I'm so happy that you guys get your first broadcast tonight in Buffalo after ESPN snatched up the opener. But let ESPN take the dog. Three nothing Penguin win. Kenny, you get to call the first win of the year in Buffalo what's going on, man?
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Kenny Albert
Well, we're here in Buffalo tonight and Donny, first of all, congratulations. Great job during the preseason. So it'll be a lot different for both of us this year with Dave and I moving over to the TV side after 20 years and you were such a big part of it. You know, we loved having you as our teammate doing so many games and the pre, the intermissions, the post game. So have a great season with Ken Danico, but as far as the Rangers broadcasts are concerned, you know, so thrilled for Dave. You know, Sam Rosen. Obviously his retirement was announced prior to the season and Joe Micheletti did not announce his decision until after the season. So to take Dave with me as well is such a thrill and we can't wait to get started tonight.
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Don Hahn
The rules are though that now you and Don can't be friends because Rangers Devils like we don't get along. So that's, that's how it has to go from here. But I have some trivia for you, Ken. Before we went to break, I asked Don a question about tonight because you, you, you know a lot of NFL Giants Eagles tonight. And I said that the Giants have.
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Damian Woody
Are.
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Don Hahn
Oh and 10 on Thursdays in the last 10 seasons. Okay, can you tell me when their last win came and who it was against on a Thursday?
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Kenny Albert
Wow, that's a tough question.
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Don Hahn
Come on.
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Kenny Albert
Have to go back and.
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Don Hahn
Well, you're really good at this. Well, you know, it'd be 2015.
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Kenny Albert
They have not had a good record on the, on the prime top games, that's for sure. Who was the last one against Washington?
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Alan Hahn
Okay.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, that's always there.
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Alan Hahn
That was always their safe haven for so many years.
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Don Hahn
Right. Yeah, I thought you might know you generally have an incredible encyclopedia of memory about things like this and I thought you might have that one stored, so I figured I'd give it a shot.
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Kenny Albert
Well, if you have any trivia about NFL games in London, I was just there this past weekend.
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Don Hahn
That's right, you have all of it.
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Kenny Albert
Might be better. Better with some of the London.
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Don Hahn
The last time an 05 team went to London and won.
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Kenny Albert
Well, I know that that's certainly what the jets are looking to do this weekend. They're Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, where I just was on Sunday. So it's been a rough start, obviously, but we had the game against Tampa Bay a few weeks ago and you know, just really impressed with Aaron Glenn through the years. Did a lot of the Lions games when he was the coordinator. So I think he'll get it straightened out. You know, he was the first to say that it'll take time when he took over.
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Don Hahn
Yep.
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Kenny Albert
Not sure anybody expected them to be 05 at this point. You know, a couple of last second losses. You know, the crazy play in the Tampa Bay game that I was at the block field goal.
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Damian Woody
They take the lead.
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Alan Hahn
Yep.
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Kenny Albert
You know, unfortunately there was too much time left on the clock, you know, from a Jets standpoint, and the Bucks went down and won that game. But he'll do a good job though. Those the two coordinators in Detroit, you know, Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn, such a big part of the Lions success. So hopefully good things ahead for the Jets.
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Alan Hahn
Are talking to Kenny Albert here, getting ready for the Rangers and the Sabers and a lot of changes to the Rangers roster. What's the ceiling for them this year? Do you think they can make the playoffs and you think they can even maybe be a top three seed in the metropolitan department division?
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Kenny Albert
Definitely think they can make the playoffs for sure. I mean, last year was obviously a down year, you know, for so many players on the team coming off the year before the President's Trophy and, you know, reaching the conference final for the second time in three years. But I certainly think they can be a playoff team. And as you know, Don, you know, once you get into the playoffs, anything can happen. So much is based on your health at the time, goaltending, the matchups, who you wind up playing. So, you know, as you know, you've been around Dave Maloney as much as I have over the last 20 years. And Dave always says, you know, a, it's not easy to make the playoffs. Only half the teams do 16 out of 32 and only one team is the winner at the end. But they have a great coach and Mike Sullivan who won a couple of Stanley Cups in Pittsburgh. And I think when you still have the core of Shusturkin in goal, Fox and Gavrikov on the number one defense pairing, and then the guys on the top two lines, Panarin, Zavanajad, Trocheck, J.T. miller, Lafreniere Cooley. I mean, you know, that that's, it's a strong roster and you know, obviously it's a young fourth line, the third line, it's, it's a mixture of new players who weren't here last year, a bunch of new defensemen, you know, who came in, in trades last season. So it's one down, 81 to go. But to answer your question, Donnie, I definitely think it could be a playoff team.
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Don Hahn
Well, it's a lot of the players you named a lot of players still that have held over from the last year or two or more. But the coach has changed again and it's Mike Sullivan. What, what, what do we expect will be different when it comes to how the Rangers look? Although opening night obviously wasn't anything anybody wanted, they couldn't score, they did struggle in that don't department. But overall, for the course of a season, what's something that you probably figure is going to look different about the Rangers than they did under Peter Laviolette?
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Kenny Albert
Well, when you look at the last two coaches in their first year, they advance to the conference final. So I guess if that trend continues, that would be a good thing. Gerard Gallant and then Peter Laviolette, conference final in year one. It's a bit of a different defensive style under Sullivan zone as opposed to man to man. So that's something that might look different. You know, he certainly demands a lot out of his players. He was here in the organization before as an assistant coach with John Tortorella and he's brought in a terrific staff. You look at the assistant coaches, David Quinn, who comes back, who was the head coach with the Rangers, and Joe Sacco, who's been a longtime coach in the league, head coach in both Colorado and Boston, longtime assistant in Boston, and a young up and coming coach, Ty Hennis. So it's a terrific staff. Mike Sullivan, you know, like I said, the two Stanley Cups, he'll be coaching the U.S. olympic team this February in Milan. So, so highly respected around the league and, you know, excited from a Ranger standpoint that he's now the guy running the bench, running the show.
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Alan Hahn
Before we let you go, Kenny, this is an information question, but also advice for me too. I mean, you've been doing television for a long time, going back to your days, even on Fox and NBC and now on tnt. NHL wise, what is the biggest adjustment that you're going to have to make from calling a Ranger game on radio as opposed to now on television?
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Kenny Albert
Right. It's a great question. And like you said, I've gone back and forth through the years doing Rangers on the radio for 29 years, but also doing national games for, you know, almost that same amount of time. FOX in the late 90s and then NBC for many years and TNT, you know, for the last four years going back and forth between television and radio. And I was in Vegas last night for TNT and here in Buffalo tonight, you know, the biggest adjustments and I was talking about it with Dave Baloney because it's an adjustment for him as well. He's done some games on television through the years, but not, not a heavy volume from a play by play standpoint. First of all, you give the time and score a lot more on radio because the viewers can't see it up on the screen. You don't have to give it as much on the TV side. There's more time for the analyst to get in during play. You know, you don't necessarily want the analyst to be yucking it up when the puck's in the offensive zone because if there's a scoring chance or a goal, you don't want to miss the call. But on radio, you know, Don, as you know, for the last 20 years, while the pucks in action on radio, the play by play person is pretty much calling the game for the entire time. Now, if there's an icing or not, a lot's going on the neutral zone, you might pause and let the color analyst come in for five or seven seconds. But on tv, there's more time for the analysts to come in. And it's a little more conversational than it is on the radio side. But on the radio, it's so much about description. Where's the puck? Near corner, far corner, left point, right point, center of the ice. You don't have to use a lot of those words on the TV side. So you definitely pull back as far as the call on television.
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Alan Hahn
Well, Kenny, man, have a lot of fun. I'll be watching along with everything else. They took the first Devil game from me. They put it on ESPN plus. So I got to wait for my first game until Tampa on Saturday and with all the football and stuff. But, you know, best of luck, man. You've always been tremendous to me and I appreciated all the help that you've ever given me. And unfortunately, I'm not going to see you until March because the NHL schedule decided let's keep the Devils and the Rangers away from each other until late in the season. So hopefully I will see you way before then.
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Kenny Albert
Well, we'll look forward to seeing you in March. And like I said, it was, it was great being teammates for the last 20 years on the Rangers side and have worked so many Knicks games with Alan on the television side and had so much fun during each and every one of those as well. So keep up the great work with the show. Alan, have a great Knicks season. Don, have a great devil season and we'll see you along the way.
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Alan Hahn
All right, Good luck. Tonight in Buffalo, Kenny Albert, the television voice of the New York Rangers, along with Dave Maloney. What they did was they blew up the television. The radio booth blew it up. Right. Because no, Dave, no, Kenny. No, don't. But a new crop of people. And Alex Faust is doing a lot of the radio with it. And he'll fill in for Kenny on television. Kenny. Because Kenny's got a lot. A lot of balls in the air.
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Don Hahn
Yeah. But for. We said this when it was announced, though, for Kenny, it's like this would. He literally was. He was preparing for this since he was a little kid, recording. He would watch the games and. On a tape recorder. Do it on a tape recorder in his bedroom and play it back like he was. This is always what he wanted to do. So it's. So. See that. Just like, it's cool to see. I don't get to do games with him, though, which I miss because what he was saying about on tv, when you let the analysts get a little more. The thing I loved about doing games with Kenny on tv. He let you go. Yeah, Kenny, I'll let you go. Well, you got stuff go.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, it's great. And also congratulations to Alex Thomas. Alex Thomas is the Hartford announcer. He is gonna be filling in for. Alex is doing baseball. So he'll be on the radio call with Dave Starman, who does a great job covering hockey and we love him. And he's now going to be replacing Dave in the radio booth. And Dan Grasse still involved. He'll be doing the pregame coming up at 6:30. Enn is next right here on ESPN New York.
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Don Hahn
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