Hour 4: 4Nations Final

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: 4Nations Final

Introduction to the 4Nations Final

In the fourth hour of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast, hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve into the highly anticipated 4Nations Final, a pivotal hockey exhibition game between the United States and Canada. Released on February 21, 2025, this episode explores not only the on-ice action but also the broader cultural and political implications of this sporting event.

The Significance of the 4Nations Final

The hosts kick off the discussion by emphasizing the importance of the game beyond traditional sports rivalry. Don Hahn sets the stage by highlighting the game's potential to draw in new fans and unify audiences:

Don Hahn [02:28]: "This is kind of a de facto game seven. You know how much these players want it, how much they care about it."

Peter Rosenberg expands on this by discussing the unifying power of sports:

Peter Rosenberg [02:40]: "This should be something that unites us all. We're all Americans at the end of the day, this should be the day where we all sit down and we have the same dog in the fight."

Fan Perspectives and Broader Appeal

Listener engagement is a cornerstone of the podcast, and several callers share their unique perspectives on the game. Mark from Syosset expresses surprise at the enthusiasm from non-traditional hockey fans:

Mark [01:45]: "It's great for the game of hockey because these guys are not typical hockey fans who are going to tune in and watch this game."

Isaac from Rockland County echoes this sentiment, appreciating the blend of sports and cultural influences:

Isaac [07:04]: "It's just fun. And right now I'm glad that they're doing this and they should just continue doing it because it's bringing in new fans."

These insights underscore the event's appeal beyond hardcore hockey enthusiasts, attracting a diverse audience intrigued by the high stakes and national pride.

Political Underpinnings and International Relations

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the political tensions between the United States and Canada and how they spill over into the sporting arena. Brian from Rockville Center brings a Canadian perspective, voicing concerns about growing anti-American sentiments:

Brian [10:33]: "Canadian fans, really do ... they are starting to boycott American goods."

Don Hahn and Peter Rosenberg debate whether these political factors are overshadowing the pure sportsmanship of the game. Don reflects on his personal ties to Canada and the frustration over political issues infiltrating a sports rivalry:

Don Hahn [13:33]: "I spent so much time when I was younger in Canada, it just insane. It's like Canada is the U.S."

Peter counters by emphasizing that players primarily wish to represent their countries, independent of broader political conflicts:

Peter Rosenberg [12:25]: "They just want to represent their country. ... there's still a thing between Canada and the United States when it comes to hockey."

Impact of Player Behavior and Sportsmanship

The conversation also touches on the role of player conduct in shaping the sport's image. Don and Peter discuss the prevalence of fighting in hockey and its influence on viewership:

Peter Rosenberg [07:56]: "Whenever there's a bench clearing brawl ... there's something to that kind of physicality."

Don reflects on the excitement that such intensity brings to the game, despite acknowledging its controversial nature:

Don Hahn [08:34]: "I don't love fighting, but it excites me."

This segment highlights the delicate balance between maintaining the sport's traditional elements and adapting to evolving audience sensitivities.

Listener Calls: Diverse Views and Personal Stories

Throughout the episode, listeners contribute personal anecdotes and opinions, enriching the conversation. Tom from Lido Beach shares his thoughts on the tournament's structure and its limitations due to political exclusions:

Tom [15:38]: "Because of Politics, ... only get to watch four teams play each other."

Richard from Somers raises questions about the financial aspects of hockey, contrasting player compensation with other professional sports:

Richard [17:23]: "Why is it about hockey players making a lot less money than others in professional sports?"

Peter responds by highlighting the sacrifices players make, fostering humility and dedication:

Peter Rosenberg [19:55]: "The sacrifices that have to be made ... their families, humbles them to where I think they're willing to go that extra mile."

Cultural and Generational Influences

The hosts also explore how cultural elements, such as hip-hop, intersect with sports fandom, appealing to younger audiences. Isaac's mention of conversations between his daughter about Drake vs. Kendrick illustrates this blend:

Isaac [07:56]: "We're talking about Drake versus Kendrick here ... it's just fun."

This fusion of music and sports underscores the evolving landscape of fan engagement, where multiple interests converge to broaden the sport's reach.

Conclusion: The Future of Cross-National Sporting Events

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the future implications of the 4Nations Final. Don Hahn expresses hope that the game remains a unifying event, free from political discord:

Don Hahn [13:33]: "There should be a little bit of confusion and frustration that all of a sudden, this conversation started that's now creating some actual real bad blood ... the only thing there should ever be ... is a sports rivalry."

Peter Rosenberg concurs, advocating for the preservation of the sport's integrity amidst external pressures:

Peter Rosenberg [12:25]: "They just want to represent their country."

Notable Quotes:

• Don Hahn [02:28]: "This is kind of a de facto game seven. You know how much these players want it, how much they care about it."

• Peter Rosenberg [02:40]: "This should be something that unites us all. We're all Americans at the end of the day."

• Brian [10:33]: "Canadian fans ... are starting to boycott American goods."

• Tom [15:38]: "Because of Politics, we only get to watch four teams play each other."

• Peter Rosenberg [19:55]: "The sacrifices that have to be made ... their families, humbles them to where I think they're willing to go that extra mile."

Final Thoughts

Hour 4 of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast provides a comprehensive examination of the 4Nations Final, intertwining sports analysis with cultural and political discourse. Through engaging dialogue and listener interactions, the hosts offer a nuanced perspective on how international sporting events can both bridge and reflect broader societal tensions. This episode serves as a testament to the multifaceted nature of sports as a mirror to societal dynamics.

Transcript

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[Guest]

What kind of fan are you?

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Caller]

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[Guest]

I entered a 6 o'clock hour, very passionate conversation. But we all have a voice in this thing. So, you know, everybody gets a chance to say their piece. And that's the one thing we want to make sure we establish here, is just the respect for everybody, their opinions and how you feel. But we do want to know those like Peter, you asked us earlier in the show.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Is those who were watching tonight, maybe this wasn't. This isn't a sport you typically watch in hockey, but something drew you in. Are you one of these people? And why? 800-919-3776. Mark is in Syosset. We'll start us off this hour. Hey, Mark.

[Caller]

Good evening, guys. I am a regular hockey guy. Whenever I call you, I always talk Rangers. But I received three calls today from people, friends of mine who are not real hockey fans who asked me, hey, are you watching tonight? And I was like, yeah, of course it's me. And their response was, oh good, we can't wait. And I was shocked because they are not real hockey fans. They are enthusiastic about the game. I don't know what the motivation is, but all I can tell you is it's great for the game of hockey because these guys are not typical hockey fans who are going to tune in and watch this game, whether it's about country, whether it's just about the game that, you know, the previous game with Canada. Don't know the motivation, just know they're interested and I think it's great for the game. I really do. And I'm looking forward to it. I really am.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. For whatever the passion level is. There is a passion level. How can you not be interested if you're a sports fan? Any competition is great. That's why we all love game Sevens, because everything's on the line. This is kind of a de facto game seven. You know how much these players want it, how much they care about it. But to get into the reasons why and the political side of it. The point is, is that this should be the one thing, no matter what side of the aisle you're on, that we can all agree that we wanna see the USA win. Now, if you're motivated politically to where now you wanna root for Canada, or you never cared in your life, but now you're gonna root for the usa Cause you're on the other side of the. I think that's what's wrong. This should be something that unites us all. We're all Americans at the end of the day, this should be the day where we all sit down and we have the same dog in the fight. The truth is, we can't do that, unfortunately.

[Don Hahn]

Well, the truth is, though, I'm not even a really fair example. Cause I'm interested in this game regardless of my rooting interest. Like, I'm. I'm interested in this game because it's USA Canada. I'm a proud American. I also love Canada. I've spent a ton of time there. My favorite player in the league is on the. So I'm in this no matter what. Don, even you admitted this yesterday. You're pulling for the usa. You're mostly pulling for a great game. So we are sort of different than the people who would jump in from the periphery and be like, I'm into it now because there's some political.

[Guest]

Well, the periphery, though, is also important here because it's good for the sport to get eyeball, get this much attention. And that's kind of what we were looking for, is what drew you in? Isaac in Rockland County. Isaac.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Greetings, greetings. Hey, man, how you doing? Congrats, Rosenberg, on being a girl dad.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you, buddy. Appreciate it, man.

[Caller]

First time caller, long time. Listen with you guys, I love everything you do, but I cut to the chase. I don't have a stake in the game. A co worker of mine is a huge Rangers fan. The first time he goes, hey, there's a good game on tonight. And I happen to watch USA vs Canada. And I have to say I was impressed because in the first nine seconds, you had these giants on skates fighting. So then I'm like, fast forward. Today you best believe I'm going to watch the hockey game. The last time I had any inclination or anything hockey related, I'm about to age myself. 1998, I believe I bought a starter jacket and I bought the Colorado Avalanche because it was a cool logo. So I'm one of those people that don't have a stake in the game, and I'm gonna enjoy it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you don't have a stake in the game. You wouldn't want to root for the United States.

[Caller]

Oh, yeah, I am going to root, but I'm talking about as far as, like, are you a hockey. Are you a hockey fan or anything?

[Guest]

Like, you don't have a team. You don't have players. Right. You're looking at it like you don't have any. Any affiliation to a team. Like, you don't. You're not a fan of a team or players. Yeah, yeah.

[Caller]

I am going to watch and root for the usa, you know, and then on the flip side, I remember a conversation where Michael K was just blasting the wbc, like, how can these guys do this? And all this stuff? And it's like, I believe this is the four nations. Correct me if I'm wrong, this is in the middle of their season.

[Don Hahn]

That's right. Oh, yeah. Dead middle of season.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Yeah. So, you know, I'm very, very intrigued and interesting going for usa. And I love the show, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I get what you're saying, because as patriotic as I am, if this was a game of tiddlywinks between the United States and Canada, you're out. I'm not sure I'd be as emotionally invested, because at the end of the day, you want to be entertained. So I can understand somebody that hates hockey or doesn't get hockey where. All right, you know what? I love my country, but I'm out. So that. That I. That I kind of get. But if you're a sports fan, I'm not a big soccer fan, but if you tell me there, you know, there's a matchup that's really. It's big, I probably would parachute in, but would I be as interested as I am tonight as a hockey fan? Probably not. But you need to still entertain at the end of the day.

[Guest]

Let's take Ed in Babylon. What's up, Ed?

[Caller]

Hey, Adam. What's up? Thanks for taking my call. I just want to say real quick that I called you once and I told you that you were my second favorite show, and the Michael K show is my first. And you said, what can we do for us to be your first? And hey, man, you did it. You guys.

[Don Hahn]

There you go.

[Caller]

And I just want to say, man, I love you, bro. And I love the show.

[Guest]

Thank you, Ed. I had to do what I had to do to make it. Make. Make my show your favorite show. So now I'm on your favorite show, right?

[Don Hahn]

Look at you, Dan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now y'all my favorite show.

[Caller]

Amazing. But anyway, what I wanted to say was I'm not a hockey fan. I'm waiting for baseball because I love baseball. Dominican I brought up. That's just what I love. Right? But one thing that drew me in with hockey is not only the fights and all the cool, you know, fast plays, because I've been to a game, a live game, and it's better, you know, live than on tv, but it's just the USA versus Canada thing in my house. We're a big hip hop fan, Peter. So it's like we started talking, me and my daughter, we're talking about Drake versus Kendrick here. And we just. It just brought up with that conversation. It drew in even young kids where we're like, yeah, it's Drake versus versus. Versus Versus Kendrick. And it's just. It's just fun. And right now I'm glad that they're doing this and. And they should just continue doing it because it's bringing in new fans, like I said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And, yeah, that's all for the game. And there's gonna be an intensity. It's gonna be fun. The other thing, too, Peter, and we haven't talked about this at all, is we'll always hear about how fighting hurts hockey. It hurts its popularity. How could that be? When everybody freaked out that there were fights, like they loved it, all of a sudden they got hooked on it, so. And whenever there's a bench clearing ball and brawl and baseball or, you know, obviously malice at the palace, it doesn't go away because there is something to that kind of physicality. So when people say hockey can never be a bigger sport because they allow fighting, I disagree.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's. It's.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not saying I love fighting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I don't either, though it excite.

[Don Hahn]

It excites me. But I also kind of looked at. It's like, I'm sure you and I are the same way. It's fun and it's exciting, and sometimes you're always like, you can bet. Come on, guys. But in a moment, like, we had on Saturday. It added so much. By the way, yesterday we talked about this some. Here's Brandon Hagel on the fights from Saturday. No, I think it's going to be the same way.

[Caller]

I think it's two countries.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, listen, what happened the other.

[Caller]

Night, I did it for the flag and not for the cameras.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's going to pump you up. Right?

[Don Hahn]

And then Chuck, respond. Matthew Kachuk responding to Hagel.

[Caller]

I mean, maybe their team doesn't like each other, then if they don't have group chats.

[Guest]

But, you know, I think that that's.

[Caller]

Just a player, you know, enjoying this opportunity.

[Don Hahn]

So, I mean, I can tell you, I think it's. It kind of sounds stupid, though, saying I fought for a country. Do you fight for country or team? Come on, it's not that serious.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it is to them because, well, the reasons you heard Alan say about being an American hockey player and maybe feeling disrespected because you're looked upon as the other country, Canada. That's where the. It's your birthright to win in Canada. And the Canadians feeling like, all right, listen, we're being challenged here. Let's step up to the challenge. We just lost the last two World Juniors, you know, so let's get it done here. And there's pressure, obviously, for them to win, to make it happen. So I think there's certainly something to that. Also, we never brought this up either. The Chris Russo. It's WWE stage. There's a difference between stage and scripted. They might have gotten together beforehand. So let's do this. They still literally fought, you know. So listen, Chris is lost, and that's the reason we love him.

[Don Hahn]

All right, hold on. So many people are here. Let's talk to the people. All right, let's go to Mike in Bayside. Hey, Mike. What's up, Mike?

[Caller]

Thanks for having me on, guys. I'm a fan of the show since 1947, so I'm a longtime listener and a fan. But I really don't think we should be Pollyannish and ignore what's going on between the two countries. I don't think in this country there's hate of Canada. There may be a small group, but I think on the Canadian side, if you have talked to any Canadians, which I have, especially in my business, they are starting to boycott American goods. So when you hear them blue the, you know, boo the New York Rangers in Toronto, they're not booing the Rangers, they are booing this country. And I, you know, and, you know, it's Funny athletes seems. And I'm in the sports business. Okay, okay. And athletes tend to not get involved in that stuff. You know, nobody is is, you know, discriminating against all the R athletes we have on, you know, especially in hockey. So I think the players may not care that much, but the fans, particularly on the other side of the border, really do. And it's not going to get better until it gets better, and I think it can only get worse. And to think otherwise, I think is very Pollyannish.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Also, I understand that if you're Canadian, you probably are in a way about what's happening with the United States. But let's also not forget, too, that Brandon Hagel, he lives in Tampa, plays for the Lightning, you know, so a lot of these guys, they make American money. So there is that whole thing, too. So you're not some farmer in B.C. that is being affected by these tariffs. So I just think it's just representing your country, man. And is there some. Obviously there's some politics sprinkled in. Bill Guerin wanted Trump to be in the dressing room tonight addressing the players.

[Don Hahn]

Then they got a phone call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So there was some interesting things that Trump tweeted out that was retweeted by American players. So I'm not saying that there isn't political involvement, not being Pollyanna, but I think at the end of the day, they just want to represent their country. And I think if you took the booing out of it and you took what's happening with the tariffs out of it, this still would be a big deal, because representing your country is a big deal. There was nothing politically going on in 96 when they played the World cup and the United States beat Canada. But those two teams hated each other. Keith Tkachuk, the father of the Kachuk brothers, Matthew and Brady, got into a fight in 96. There were no tariffs. There was no political upheaval. 80. There certainly was. We all hated Russia then, and it was a big. The Cold War was going on, but those players wanted to represent their country. Peter, that's because it's. So no matter what's happening politically, has it added a little fuel to the fire? Without question. But do I think those fights still would have happened? Yeah, I still think they would have happened because Canada and the United States is still a thing when it comes to hockey. Yeah. It's not a thing other places for us.

[Don Hahn]

Right. I guess that's also the part that I. What I'm trying to say, without getting anyone too riled up politically, what I'm Trying to say is it's a little frustrating for someone like me and Don. Even you. Like, you and I probably have an even closer relationship to Canada than the average American. The average American, though, has very little bad feelings towards Canada. Of course. It's like they're our neighbor to the north. Maybe you've gone to Montreal for a bachelor party. He went to Toronto for a Blue Jays game. Whatever. So I do have some sense of frustration that anything has been made of anything between the US And Canada besides a sports rivalry. You know what I'm saying? That's the only thing there should ever be between the US And Canada. Like, we are absolute allies. So I think there is a little bit of confusion and frustration that all of a sudden, this conversation started that's now creating some actual real bad blood that goes beyond hockey to someone like me who spent so much time when I was younger in Canada, it just insane. It's like Canada is the U.S. i mean, obviously they don't feel that way. They have their own things that differentiate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can understand that.

[Don Hahn]

How could you not? I mean, but, like, besides Don, besides loonies and toonies and going to a different coffee shop, I mean, these are our next door neighbors. So it is sort of a weird thing that we've stumbled into. Let's keep it going on the four nations of it all and go to Tom in Lido Beach. What up, Tom?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. How you doing? First time caller. Peter, I met you at a show you might not want to talk about at the ESPN suite a couple years ago. A good time.

[Don Hahn]

Kanye.

[Caller]

Awesome. No Fish.

[Don Hahn]

Why would you not want to talk about that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He likes.

[Don Hahn]

I'm proud. I'm proud of my Fish.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Remember the show, but he doesn't know the context.

[Caller]

I got to meet your lovely wife. I got to meet Ballard. It was great. Fantastic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow. Ballard got second ranking. That's pretty cool.

[Caller]

Well, anyway, so I've been a fan of you guys forever. Honestly, I love your show. Love, Michael. Love that Han join.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You guys are the best.

[Caller]

Don, you're awesome.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks, dude.

[Caller]

So my take on the four nations is that I think it was a little bit of a miss. And the reason is because of politics. And it all starts back to international hockey not allowing Russia, Czech Republic to be involved in the Olympics. And there it bleeds into this, which. Which doesn't give you the full scope of the true all Stars in the NHL. So you have players that are not involved in this that are just as good as the players that are playing right now, but because of Politics, they can't be involved. And then we get stuck watching, you know, four teams play each a game, each with each other. And it seemed that it was a foregone conclusion that USA was going to meet up with Canada in the finals. And to me, you know, yes, I'm going to watch the game tonight. I am a hockey fan, but I'm not hockey fan. I'm not all all in. And I just feel like this tournament almost hit the mark.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's not the NHL's fault if you want to get on. As you said, international hockey. First of all, Czech Republic has nothing to do politically, just Russia. There's an awkward situation right now. They don't want them to play, so we should scrap it all together. I think they'll get something done for the World cup of Hockey where Russia plays. I do. If you want to say, I'm a little dubious on the whole best on best, when Igor Shusturkin isn't there and Alexander Ovechkin isn't there and David Pasternak isn't there. These are some of the great players in the league that don't have a country in this fight. But it shouldn't if it takes away from it. For you, I get it. I just don't know what the NHL is going to do if the International Hockey Federation doesn't want Russia in right. Then what, do you just scrap every idea?

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Brian in Rockville Center. What up? What up, Brian?

[Caller]

Good evening, guys. I just want to have a question for Don. Peter, your last point. I have a question for you, Don. What is it? You're inside the locker room all the time covering the Rangers and everything like that. What is it about hockey players that they're making a lot less money than others in professional sports? They may not get all the. The access to all the accolades and everything. They're playing back to back. They're getting beat up. What is it about the hockey player that makes this. This game tonight so exciting that they would go into the middle of their season, a couple of players are injured. They're gonna have to go back to. Star players are gonna have to go back to their. To their franchises hurt. And they don't care. They just want to go out and play on both sides, on the American side and the Canadian side. And I love and I admire it so much because you never hear them complaint. And Peter, to your point, what you just said, how there are friends and everything like that, I think it sounds. It sounds very minuscule, but they Boot our national anthem. You know, you go to a hockey game, they're not. You go to islanders, Canadians, game, whatever it is in Canada, they're not booing the national anthem. It is a respect there. And they. That line, they cross that line. Well be on social media, but you can't.

[Don Hahn]

A lot of people, but you can't do what we have a tendency to do also, which is start the story at the point that you want to. They feel like the President of the United States crossed that line with the way they've talked about Canada. That's how they feel. So their only way that they can get a way to express themselves when they feel sort of blindsided by all of a sudden being talked about that way is to boo the national anthem. Is it harsh? Yeah, no, I hear you, Brian. It's harsh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And believe me, we would do the exact same thing Justin Trudeau said. I think that the United States. We'd like you to join Canada and be a prov. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And your president's a governor of a state. You don't think we boo them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But to answer your question about why, here's the thing, all right, There isn't that in the NFL, there's that football player, right, that kind of cruises through high school, college, gets drafted high, makes tons of money right away, a hockey player, even the best ones are going to have to have some sacrifice like practicing at 3 o'clock in the morning, ride the buses at world juniors to play. You're playing for a junior where you're crisscrossing Canada and the northern part of the United States, taking 18 hour bus rides to play a game. Yeah. A select few end up in the NHL at 18, 19 and make a ton of money. But for the most part, especially American born hockey players, do you think there's as much available ice as there for basketball and football and baseball?

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, one of the reasons I fell in love with the sport is because my dad worked the snack stand and drove the Zamboni. At Fritz Dietzel's ice skating rink in Westwood, New Jersey. We would do the public skating on a Saturday night and at midnight they close up and then the hockey teams would come in to practice at midnight.

[Don Hahn]

Now question, did you get to skate for free? Because you did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it was a lot of fun. But the point is the sacrifices that have to be made to be able to play hockey by not just the players but their families, humbles them to where I think they're willing to go that extra mile. You don't have the bonus babies, the guys that basically have everything handed to them by the time they turn 13 or 14. Here you're playing above the rim at 13 and you kind of know that I'm gonna get scholarships here and I'm gonna be able to coast into the NBA. Not to say that they don't make sacrifices, Peter. They do, but I don't think to the level a hockey player does. So by the time they get to the big time, I think they're a lot more humble. This is a mini meditation guided by Bombas. Repeat after me. I'm comfy, I'm cozy. I have zero blisters on my toes. Blisters. And that's cause I wear Bombus the softest socks, underwear and T shirts that give back. One purchased equals one donated. Now go to bombus.com espnpod and use code espnpod for 20% off your first purchase. That's B O M b-s.com espnpod and use Code espnpod Get in the zone.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast. I didn't listen to anything you just said. Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Happy birthday to a great artist and really one of the coolest, sexiest pop stars of all time. Let's just be honest. Can we.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Guest]

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[Don Hahn]

She's at the end of the world.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the end.

[Don Hahn]

This is the end.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just so, like, out of place. Like, weird.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, so you don't think that was a good one?

[Don Hahn]

No, no, no. It's great. So random. And it's so her because she's so cool and like, would get the joke, you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

She.

[Don Hahn]

My podcast co host, Sypha sounds from the great Juan Epp is Life podcast. If you want to hear our hip hop ramblings and we talk about everything. Syph helped discover Rihanna. He played like a major, major part. He. Her biggest. Her first big hit on the replay. It's a song like, about a dj. He played the DJ in the video of her first song, which was about a dj. That's like, he was that. But she had him do that because he had played such a big role in her career at that point as a dj. This is how cool she is right now, Don. Like a month ago, out of the blue, they haven't seen each other in years. Out of the blue. She was like, where are you? I haven't seen you in so long. And just hit up Syphe. And then they ended up hanging out till like seven in the morning. She's like the coolest, most regular person by all accounts. It's absolutely crazy. She's. She's a true one of a kind.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You would think you got to that level of stardom that you would hear bad stories.

[Don Hahn]

No, no. She hear the coolest stories. She's a billionaire. She's like. She's awesome. Happy birthday, Riri. Let's go to God. You know what? We've waited. He's been on hold for the entire show.

[Caller]

Hi, Don. Hi, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, Richard.

[Caller]

Peter, you live a couple of blocks from the best train station in New York City, 72nd and Broadway. You can take that number one train. It's 10 steps down and you can hit any subway there. Goes downtown or uptown. You would have been at Houston street in 15 minutes. And then you can walk east as far as you have to. It's a Beautiful walk or take the crosstown bus. You could have made it for $2.90. You don't need no Uber or any of that. That's the best stop in what makes it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But.

[Don Hahn]

But real quick, what? I enjoy the 72nd street train. It is the train that I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a stop that I use in New York.

[Don Hahn]

But why the but? Why do you say the best? It doesn't.

[Caller]

Well, first of all, it's 10 steps down and you're right there. The subway is right there. The train is right there. And then you have a choice of the 1 or 2 or 3. And if you want to go uptown, it's on the same. The other side of the platform. You don't have to go in and out, up and down.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. There's some convenience there. That's a really good point. Okay, Richard, go ahead and.

[Caller]

Eight stops, you would have been at Houston. Don, I don't understand tonight why you, Dave and Kenny are not doing this game on radio. This is ridiculous. ESPN should have made allowances for this. This should have been, you know, 19 years ago. I don't know if it was on your station. I remember Lundqvist on a Sunday morning. It must have been 2 degrees. I got up early and I listened to that game. When Sweden, I think, beat Finland in the World Championships, 2006, February. I don't know if it was your station. So if they could have had that game on radio, why can't we have this game?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, this kind of just came, I don't wanna say out of nowhere, but it wasn't like there was a chance to really have any negotiations for radio broadcast rights. They were given to the two television partners already. There is no national television rights that ESPN or TNT owns at this particular point. I did do the World cup of hockey in 2016 with Dave Maloney, and I think there's maybe a chance that that can happen again when we do it. It was just one of those things that there was no radio rights negotiated at that point. I think that can change in the future. But I do appreciate you.

[Caller]

Three weeks ago, Three weeks ago, the week before the super bowl on Sunday, nothing. Two weeks ago, Super Bowl, a dud. Last week, NBA Sunday, a dud. This coming Sunday, the Yankees are on TV, the Mets are on TV. The Knicks are playing the Celtics, St. John's is playing UConn, and all three hotter teams are playing Sunday. We have seven games on Sunday after having nothing for the previous three Sundays. And one last thing, Don, last Thing, how lucky is J.T. miller if he wins tonight? 19 days ago he gets traded to his original team and then tonight if he wins it, he wins for his country. I think that'll be a great send off. Always a pleasure, fellas. Thank you, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right, well, he would have been on the team anyway, even if he had been a Canuck. But no, it would be a very, very interesting month for J.T. miller.

[Don Hahn]

I love that Richard in his. And you have to love a man like, you know, Richard is that excited about Sunday's sports line, right? You have to love that he included somehow Don, the man included two spring training baseball games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, it. Don is just trying to accentuate his point.

[Don Hahn]

It's the definition of sports adjace, is it not?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But there will be people excited because of the fact that it might be the first time that they got a chance to see their team since last year.

[Don Hahn]

Right. So it feels like something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It'll get a number.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, everything's a number. Am I right? Let's go to Sean in Calgary. Hey, Sean.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, wow. Hey, Sean.

[Caller]

How's it going, guys?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's where the incident happened, Peter.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, I know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Caller]

Hey, so I just wanted to give you guys a Canadian perspective of what's happening tonight. It's one of the biggest gains obviously for nine years that we're getting so, so pumped for up in this country. But just to give you a perspective, like Canada and the United States, I love my US brothers, I love our neighbors. My daughter's born in the United States. But like, I think that it goes back, it goes back a long, long time where, where, you know, United States, a bigger country, a lot more people. And we felt like we're always the little brother. And it's always great when you're a kid, you always want to beat your big brother. That's, that's the, pretty much the mainstay and the thought process that we have in Canada. And I think that the US and what's really good about this game is that for me personally, I don't think anything politically, but for me personally is that this is a win, win for hockey. And if, you know, obviously I want to pound you guys as much as we can tonight, that's an obvious fan is being Canadian and being as salt to the earth with hockey as you can be. But like, I think that if United States win tonight and the amount of popularity coming out of the game on Saturday is that this is a big win, win, win. If the United States do beat us because it is brought in so many different aspects of different people from different sports. And before I forget, I'm a big Islanders fan. Huge Islanders fan. I run the fan club up here for the New York Islanders, so I want a big shout out to the people on the island. But that's my point. I think that the game's going to be as intense as Saturday. Might not have the fights right away, but it's definitely going to have the bite, the grit. It's going to be one for the ages. And I cannot wait. Go Canada.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it should be a lot of fun tonight. And, yeah, just is that if you're from Canada, you know, the NHL has not necessarily been that kind for a long time to Canada. It just seems like everything they do, trying to help out the United States, try to make it more popular in the United States, there are more teams in the US than there are in Canada. I think, obviously it helped that Winnipeg moved back from Atlanta after they lost the team to Arizona. But, you know, for years, you saw, you know, Winnipeg lose a team, Quebec lost a team, and, you know, it felt like, did they care about us anymore? So I could see you being in a bit of a way about that. I wanted to ask him how a guy from Calgary and clearly born and raised there, became an Islander fan.

[Don Hahn]

That is interesting, too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I probably had something to do with, you know, four straight Stanley Cups and 19 straight series wins.

[Don Hahn]

But this is an interesting. An interesting question here from Edgar in White Plains. What's up, Edgar?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's up, Edgar?

[Caller]

Hello. Hello, Peter. Hey, Don. I did not. That was my. Let me stop.

[Don Hahn]

That was your Richard.

[Caller]

That was my Richard. My wife loves it when I do in the house. SHE LAUGHS I don't know. I had. I just heard his voice. I had to do it. Anyways. I was gonna say, so the gentleman from Calgary. And maybe this is different when it comes to Canada and United States, but I'm. I watch hockey. Not as much. Right. Especially not back in the day, like a recent thing. Probably because of you, Don, and listening to Alan and being a fan of you guys, I check into the Rangers, especially during the playoffs, so I feel like the parachute fans, you call them dominant, are probably into this, this four nations cup more than hockey fans. Like, my friends that really watch hockey, they're like, yeah, it's all right. It's for nothing. It's whatever. And they watch it. But I feel like, you know, the Casuals are more into it than. Than your. Than your standard regular hockey fan. I don't know. You give me Your.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Your.

[Caller]

Your opinion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, there's no question because there's a lot of other things on the line you do have, you know, representing your country. You saw what happened on Saturday, how intense the hockey was, the three fights in nine seconds. It's. It's become a thing. And I think the timing of it, Peter, was perfect because there wasn't a lot going on. So people were kind of looking into it because there was really. What else was on Saturday but the NBA skills? And we spent a good enough time bashing that right. Over the last few days. So, you know, it just gets the average fan into it. There's a perception about hockey that the regular season doesn't mean anything. Everybody gets gets into the playoffs. That's not true, but it's hard to change perception. Everybody knows what this means. Edgar, here you go.

[Don Hahn]

I'm going to give you another chance at your. Richard, Let me set you off the right way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here we go.

[Don Hahn]

Then just get ready to jump in. Here we go.

[Caller]

Don. Peter. Don. I just wanted to tell you where you live in Somers. Just like I gave Peter's address to everyone. I'll give your address, everybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was very good because that was very underrated how he kind of just almost just gave your address out there.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that was something. And also there may be a drop there from him again that he comes up out of the gate praising the subway again. This is his new thing. Richard's just on the subway.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you ever go to the 72nd and Broadway and say, yeah, this is stellar stuff, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

So it's so funny. It is my, like, resident train station. Right. And it's great that it's express. Yes. You don't have to completely cross the street to go to the other track. Like, you can just go upstairs and then go downstairs on the other side. That is nice. But, Don, there are subway stations that have, like, stores in them and snack bars and all kinds of things. It's a very modest subway station. His confidence in it. He was like, he's never heard of an express train station before.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the fact that you only had to go down 10 steps.

[Don Hahn]

He loves the down 10 steps.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do. I don't know if you do it. Just when I was out of boredom. I'll count the steps.

[Caller]

What I do, do you do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You do get pretty deep there at which one? Like, any subway, like, sometimes when you consider, like, the steps you get, like, out of the subway, and then to get out of Penn Station, you'd like a hundred steps. Hold on.

[Don Hahn]

Hold On Penn Station's a nightmare.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, taking the subway to Penn Station is. I've been doing it my whole life, Don, and I have. Just admit this right now, publicly, and I'm okay admitting this. I never know the best path to go where I'm going when I get off. Like, do you now have the best path always to MSG from when you get off at the train?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

You feel confident in it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I feel good. I feel good about it.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. And which way? Where do you end up popping out on 8th? Do you go around that way and pop out by, like, the lirr?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Got it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Don Hahn]

Because you're close to the press entrance.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

It's still not close, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's not like that. Doing a hefty bit of walk whenever I got a game at the Garden, I'll take the subway to these studios. It's four stops, but it's a lot of walking. From the parking garage, which is right across the street from the Garden, you know, down through Penn Station into the subway, it's.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you know, it stinks about Penn Station. If you're trying to make a change from local to express at Penn Station, you can't see the other train there. You have to get out and go to the other side. Whereas at Times Square, you can do the classic just stand up and look out and see if the train's in there to make the switch. We got so many problems with our trains. That's not true, trust me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Guest]

All right, back here with you boys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I heard that.

[Guest]

Ms. Richard.

[Caller]

Hey, I don't know if you could take Nicky.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nicky Nake.

[Guest]

Was it epic? I mean, Peter, is this another one that you're gonna pin on the wall?

[Don Hahn]

Look at this garbage. Look at this garbage.

[Guest]

What happened?

[Don Hahn]

Mike fell apart when I touched it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I went full.

[Guest]

That's a famous don, right?

[Don Hahn]

It's not epic like put it on the wall, Richard. But he did.

[Caller]

You can take that number one train. It's 10 steps down.

[Guest]

Oh, God.

[Don Hahn]

He got. He's. He declared that the 1, 2, 3 station at 72nd street is the best train station in the world.

[Guest]

I mean, it's been in famous. It's been. It's been. It's been famous. We've seen it in movies.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, really?

[Don Hahn]

What would remind me? What? You know.

[Guest]

Seriously?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. No, I don't remember one.

[Guest]

One in particular. One in particular is warriors that we reference on this show.

[Don Hahn]

Big, big scene at. At the 72nd street station. I forgot about that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right. And you see in the scene too, they stop for a minute and kind of look around and go, wow, this is beautiful.

[Don Hahn]

They go, I love that it's only 10 steps.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They hopped the turnstile.

[Guest]

Mean, it's all right. I mean, there are some others that.

[Don Hahn]

Are beautiful, but okay, you know, listen, I appreciate it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just ten steps, Alan.

[Guest]

Oh, that's what it is.

[Don Hahn]

And you could take the 1, 2 or the 3.

[Guest]

We're spending way too much time on this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We thought the same thing.

[Caller]

Is that his name? Udoko?

[Guest]

Oh, yeah. That's a good one too.

[Caller]

The more physical stuff you do in your Mouth. They're all good. It is.

[Guest]

Oh, wow. That's the one that'll live in him for me. I mean, I tell you what, if you want to preview tomorrow's show, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Because it is a Friday, tomorrow really does feel like there's a lot tonight and leading into the weekend that we're going to sink our teeth into. I mean there's really like think about tonight, just in general, four nations, obviously. 8:00, ESPN, US Canada, the result of it, how we felt, the performance, all that, all the things that go with it. Big part of that and how many people watched and who cared and who didn't and all that stuff. There is certainly that and that's big. But I'll tell you what, going into this weekend, so the Knick, I'm at the Garden, as people might know, and the Knicks play the Bulls tonight to start the second half or I should say the post All Star break part of the schedule because there's only 28 games left. But after tonight, this weekend they have a Friday night at Cleveland, Sunday at Boston. I mean, are we going to learn something about this team pretty quickly coming out of this weekend? There's a lot riding on what we're going to see even beyond tonight. But this weekend when it comes to the Knicks, it is going to be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really a defining moment. And so what do you take? We'll go get into it tomorrow. But do you take a split? And if you, and if you take the split, who do you, who do you they need to be?

[Guest]

It's a good question. I tell you what, I feel like after what Boston did here a couple of Saturdays ago, I, I, I feel like that's that if they don't go in there with like rip the door off the hinges kind of mentality, then what are we doing? You know the other like tomorrow's a back to back. Friday night, back to back. Both teams will be on the back to back. How about the NBA? I mean, this is, this will be this one versus three right out of the gate. We're going to have them both play the second out of a back to back. Both teams travel.

[Don Hahn]

Hey, we know we couldn't entertain. We know we couldn't entertain you at all last weekend for the break, but let's just get right into it. All right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now that's the other thing Richard outlined what an amazing sports day it's going.

[Don Hahn]

To be on Sunday, including the two big spring training games that he's excited for.

[Guest]

What, what is, what, what else is Sunday?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, Sunday You've got all the hockey teams. All three. Hockey. Both the Mets and Yankees have televised exhibition games.

[Don Hahn]

Oh yeah, like you dream about.

[Guest]

I see.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Knicks have a nationally televised game. There was one other thing. Rangers, Islanders, Devils, Knicks. The two baseball teams missing. Anything else? He said there were seven. Oh, St. John's is playing St. John's Yukon fought.

[Caller]

Fought now.

[Guest]

But what does St. John's Yukon mean at this point? They've already kind of clinched the one seed in the tournament.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, Richard and means the world.

[Guest]

Is that game. Well, is that game here?

[Don Hahn]

Because it has to be.

[Guest]

Are you not really playing that at Alumni Hall? Are you? No way. That game's got to be here. I don't know. I haven't looked. Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't. Here we go. Wait, wait a minute. I think. Where's the. You think I would know this because. But it's been so long.

[Guest]

We all should know it.

[Don Hahn]

Didn't they just win at Yukon?

[Guest]

Yes, everyone at Yukon. I'm just saying it's not going to be on campus. It's too small.

[Don Hahn]

It's in the garden.

[Caller]

It's MSG.

[Guest]

It's got.

[Don Hahn]

It's MSG like you dream about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can't dream about 12 o'clock fox.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, you know that 12 o'clock fox. You know that's feeling like what? That's feeling like whatchamacallit vehicle. Oh, come on. What is it a Fanta vehicle? No, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Former Nick announcer you're talking about.

[Guest]

Oh, Gus Johnson.

[Don Hahn]

Feel like a Gusser. Feel like a Gusser.

[Guest]

Is that a 12 o'clock Gus bus? Like caffeinated.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, come on. Fresh off the cappuccino.

[Guest]

You know that. I'm in then I'll watch that for an hour. Don. Both of you actually. But Don, because of the four nations. It's an interesting question someone asked earlier. I wanted to bring it up, but since we have two minutes, why not now? It's a great question on Twitter. Is tonight the most hyped exhibition game ever? Like it's. It. Technically it is an exhibition game.

[Don Hahn]

You mean hockey?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

This is more anticipated than the. Than the 1980 Olympic final.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's the Olympic.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, you're saying. You're saying an exhibition.

[Guest]

Not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Guest]

This is drago. Apollo.

[Don Hahn]

Right. This is actually an exhibition. Right. It. I thought you meant amateur. So like a non professional.

[Guest]

But you're saying exhibition is. Is a game that doesn't truly doesn't count how much.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How many people watched Tyson a few months ago?

[Guest]

Oh, that didn't count.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, oh, sorry. If you're. If you're counting other sports, then no, this is not going to win the face off there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what he's asking. Well, how about I had 50 million.

[Don Hahn]

So yeah, let's go team sport.

[Guest]

Let's. Let's just keep it the team sports.

[Don Hahn]

And Floyd and Connor I think did probably 30 million as well.

[Guest]

So again, let's go team.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go team, team. Biggest exhibition.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was there a friendly would have gotten.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, oh, yeah, no, sorry. I'm sorry. But in North America, the number in North America.

[Guest]

Can we just keep it to the US Please?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, did the US Play a friend? Sure.

[Guest]

There was a cricket match. I like how narrow that just.

[Don Hahn]

How about the tri state area? Yeah. How about this, Doc? How about this, Alex? My backyard a team sport, ages 20 to 30. 30 Tri State. Yeah. No, no, we're getting there.

[Guest]

Was that. Wait, wait, what was that, Don? Was that in the jerk when he's like. How about in this shelf between this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right, that's exactly.

[Don Hahn]

That's where we're at. No, like team sports.

[Guest]

That's it.

[Don Hahn]

No, you tried to find something to put on it, but I don't know if there's anything to put on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. Was there ever a hyped preseason football game that would have gotten.

[Don Hahn]

Well, every preseason game gets a bigger number than they're going to get.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm seeing, seeing people.

[Don Hahn]

The hall of Fame game, that's barely even sports gets 10 million.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everybody's talking about this though, so it is hyped.

[Don Hahn]

Exactly.

[Guest]

Hyping up those things. They're just watching. This is like again, we were calling out your, your patriotism. Just a few minutes.

[Don Hahn]

I know.

[Guest]

That's how serious.

[Don Hahn]

By the way, you missed some great calls. We got into some really good. We have some smart listeners to the show, man. We had some good conversations around some tough topics today. I dug it.

[Guest]

I love it. Well, I, I dug the show as well and I look forward to more of it tomorrow. Go usa.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Guest]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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