Hour 4: Cap

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: Cap

Release Date: February 13, 2025

Hosts:

• Don La Greca: ESPN New York and New Jersey legend
• Alan Hahn: Long-time sportswriter and New York Knick broadcaster
• Peter Rosenberg: Highly opinionated Hip Hop veteran and WWE personality

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1. Opening Banter and Technology Talk (00:00 – 00:34)

The episode kicks off with Don Hahn showcasing the capabilities of the new Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra. He highlights its AI features, emphasizing convenience in daily tasks.

• Don Hahn (00:00): “I can say to my new Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra, hey, find a keto friendly restaurant nearby and text it to Beth and Steve. And it does without me lifting a finger so I can get in more squats anywhere I can.”

• Peter Rosenberg (00:14): “Will that be cash or credit?”

The hosts engage in light-hearted discussions about the phone's functionalities, setting a relaxed tone for the episode.

2. Knicks' Season Review and Playoff Outlook (02:00 – 08:19)

The conversation shifts to the New York Knicks' impressive season performance. The team boasts a 35-18 record, marking their best 53-game start since 1996-97.

• Peter Rosenberg (02:20): “The Knicks are already off to their best start since 1996. Another win tonight puts them in contention for one of their best seasons in almost 30 years.”

However, the hosts express cautious optimism, noting upcoming challenging matches against top teams like the Cleveland Cavaliers and Boston Celtics post-All-Star break.

• Alan Hahn (05:05): “When your record is basically .500 against winning teams, that’s an issue.”

They discuss the potential impact of key players returning from injuries, such as Mitchell Robinson and Inobi, and ponder the team's ability to sustain their performance depth towards the season's end.

3. Analysis of Hockey's Power Play Unit (08:42 – 11:05)

Transitioning to hockey, the hosts delve into the struggles of a top-tier team's power play unit. They dissect why a team with star players like Crosby, McKinnon, Reinhart, McCarr, and McDavid faces challenges despite high individual talent.

• Don Hahn (09:44): “Their power play, Peter, and you’re not the biggest hockey guy in the world. It’s Crosby, McKinnon, Reinhart, McCarr, and McDavid. That first power play is going to be amazing, but they’ve never played together really.”

The discussion highlights the importance of chemistry and coaching in executing effective power plays, beyond just assembling star players.

4. Listener Call-In: Sports History and Giants' Organizational Issues (11:05 – 34:02)

Caller: Richard Manhattan (11:05 – 15:50) Richard reminisces about the golden era of New York college basketball, lamenting the decline since St. John's suffered setbacks. He also prompts a debate on which disgruntled sports figure is more troublesome: Kyrie Irving or Aaron Rodgers.

• Richard Manhattan (13:26): “Who’s the bigger pain in the neck? Kyrie Irving or Aaron Rodgers?”

Discussion on Andrés Escobar and Pronunciation Challenges (15:50 – 22:42) The hosts address a listener's query about the tragic Colombian soccer player Andrés Escobar, discussing pronunciation nuances and the emotional impact of his story.

• Ty Butler (16:48): “Andres Escobar was very loved, more so because of his character. He was a leader, more so than his athleticism.”

Debate on NFL Giants' Decline (30:34 – 34:02) Alan and Don engage in a critical analysis of the New York Giants' decline, attributing it to poor organizational decisions post-Tom Coughlin era and the challenges of maintaining a championship-caliber team in a salary cap environment.

• Don Hahn (32:29): “They've become one of the most embarrassing organizations. The culture has to still be intact in some way.”

• Alan Hahn (33:03): “It's going to take you time when you get back too. You got to play a little bit, you got to find a rhythm.”

5. The "Cap" Slang Debate: Navigating Modern Lingo (35:02 – 48:11)

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to a humorous yet insightful debate on the appropriate use of modern slang, particularly the term "cap," which means lying.

• Alan Hahn (35:02): “Cap is a young, very young person's way of saying lie. Cappin is lying.”

The hosts and callers discuss generational gaps in language usage, with Alan playfully chastising Peter for his use of the term despite being outside the typical age range for its adoption.

• Peter Rosenberg (43:35): “I'm just letting you know that when I do that stuff on the air, it's because I know that you are Peter's hair trigger when it comes to things like that.”

The segment highlights the challenges sports broadcasters face in staying current with evolving slang while maintaining authenticity and relatability with diverse audiences.

6. Conclusion and Final Banter (48:11 – End)

As the episode wraps up, the hosts return to lighter topics, touching on upcoming Knicks games and teasing future discussions.

• Peter Rosenberg (49:06): “Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I just want to know it’s good.”

They encourage listeners to subscribe and stay tuned for more engaging sports discussions.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Don Hahn (00:00): “I can say to my new Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra, hey, find a keto friendly restaurant nearby and text it to Beth and Steve.”

• Peter Rosenberg (02:20): “Another win tonight puts them in contention for one of their best seasons in almost 30 years.”

• Alan Hahn (05:05): “When your record is basically .500 against winning teams, that’s an issue.”

• Don Hahn (09:44): “Their power play, Peter, and you’re not the biggest hockey guy in the world.”

• Alan Hahn (35:02): “Cap is a young, very young person's way of saying lie.”

• Don Hahn (32:29): “They've become one of the most embarrassing organizations.”

• Peter Rosenberg (43:35): “I'm just letting you know that when I do that stuff on the air, it's because I know that you are Peter's hair trigger.”

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Key Takeaways:

• Knicks' Performance: The New York Knicks are having a standout season, but their playoff potential hinges on upcoming performances against strong teams and the return of key players.

• Hockey Power Play: Even with star-studded lineups, effective power play execution relies heavily on team chemistry and coaching strategies.

• Organizational Failures: The New York Giants' struggles are attributed to poor management decisions and cultural shifts post-Tom Coughlin, highlighting the difficulties of maintaining team integrity in a cap-constrained environment.

• Language and Relatability: The debate over the use of modern slang like "cap" underscores the generational challenges in sports broadcasting, emphasizing the need for hosts to balance authenticity with linguistic relevance.

• Listener Engagement: The episode showcases active listener participation, bringing in diverse perspectives and fostering an interactive atmosphere.

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

I can say to my new Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra, hey, find a keto friendly restaurant nearby and text it to Beth and Steve. And it does without me lifting a finger so I can get in more squats anywhere I can. 1, 2, 3.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Will that be cash or credit?

[Alan Hahn]

Credit. 4 Galaxy S25 Ultra, the AI companion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That does the heavy lifting.

[Alan Hahn]

So you can do. You get [e-mail] compatible with select apps.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

Check responses for accuracy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers. All right, into the 6:00 hour we go. Don Han, Rosenberg. 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app.

[Don Hahn]

Something happened.

[Peter Rosenberg]

800-919-3776. The number. I mean, this is, this is usually the hour where if you got something to say, you are a part of the show. Heavy, heavy call hour that we have turned this into. It's become like the tradition. Kind of like it.

[Don Hahn]

Eric Howard, by the way, caused the fumble.

[Alan Hahn]

Eric Allen.

[Don Hahn]

Eric Howard.

[Alan Hahn]

Howard. Eric Allen. Doesn't make sense.

[Don Hahn]

Eric Allen wasn't a giant.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's, that's why I was confused on.

[Don Hahn]

That's right. See what happened to you, Alan? That was quick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you mean?

[Don Hahn]

You said you were gonna go and then you come back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no, I said I, I. Yeah, I will be. I will be.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, I thought you.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, I thought you said Spider.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I thought you said I was all right. Spider.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did I say that?

[Don Hahn]

Two mountains and he was in the middle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Poor Bill. I was getting texts from MSG people who heard this while they were driving in for the game tonight. They're all just going nuts right now in the group chat. It's. I need to, you know, I might drag him over here and have him defend himself on the air if I can. He's.

[Alan Hahn]

What can you say?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, down.

[Eric Allen]

You need to knock it out, Alan.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, both of you all was wowing yesterday. And then you got the little one in the middle.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know how he can defend himself. He's the little one in the middle.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, she made it sound like I brought Rocky to work. I mean, that's. What. That's. And he's a Maltese. That's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not comfortable with it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That is tough. Yeah. So I am, obviously. At Madison Square Garden, the Knicks play their last game before the All Star break. They've got Trey Young and the Atlanta Hawks in town tonight. The Knicks are already off to their this were they 35 and 18. It's their best 53 game start since 1996. 97. It's a long time since they've been this good this deep into the season record wise. So you know again another win tonight and you're talking about going into the break having one of your best seasons in almost 30 years. And you know where it all goes from here now is where now the conversation starts to pick up of the downhill after the all star break. 28 games to go and still have to play Cleveland three times, still have to play Boston two more. You know they crush all the bad teams but it's kind of proven themselves against the good ones. That remains to be the question. Brian Windhorst on Get up this morning as they were discussing on get up like the Knicks and what do they look like as maybe a championship contestant?

[Don Hahn]

They're 05 against the Celtics, Cavs and Thunder this year. Now that doesn't mean anything in February and they do get three games against the Cavs left.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They play at Boston, in Cleveland and.

[Don Hahn]

In Memphis, another one of the top teams in the league. After the break we'll have a good idea of where they are. I'm impressed with them. Championship contender with that record against the top teams. Can't say that right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think that's the knock on them. It's exactly that. They had a good week against some of the top teams in the West. But I don't think you're really going to get a foot a real feel for this team until we get to the other side of this break. Boys, I'm telling you not only because of what the schedule is going to bring, which is as we mentioned, they'll play the Cavs the second game out. We come back next week, it's Thursday here against the Bulls and then it's Friday night in Cleveland. And so there's your very, very first test in a back to back no less. And my only wonder is while we're going to see them against three against Cleveland, two against Boston, will we also see them finally with a full roster? Mitchell Robinson getting closer and closer to returning and Inobi another night he's listed as questionable with a foot injury that they're saying is basically a day to day situation, which means you would think on the other side of the break these two guys could be available. Now all of a sudden they look a lot different, so the timing couldn't be better. You get your Full roster, hopefully. And you get your litmus test against the top teams in the east to see exactly if we should start believing that this could be the year. Capital T. Capital.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. I don't get too caught up in like the regular season meetings and stuff, because you don't know, was it the second to back to back. Not everything is even the way it is in the playoffs, wherever you want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To get a feel, don't you?

[Don Hahn]

But when Your record is basically.500 against winning teams, that, that's. That's an issue.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

When you get blown out by the Celtics, that's an issue. No, no, it is.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it's totally reasonable. And when you have this history of not having everyone available in crunch time, that's a thing too. And that's why I think it'll be hard for fans to accept it over the period of three games or five games. It's about over many games. Jacob was saying this earlier to me off the air as a, As a Knick fan. It's about it lasting for a sustained period of time because we think about it, guys. Mitchell, Robinson. It's. It's not like you're getting Carl Anthony Towns back. You know, it's. It's kind of like it's a nuanced. He's a nuanced piece of this team. Yes, he's a big. Of course, but. But Allen, you're not getting back like your stud offensive star.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're getting a piece that you.

[Alan Hahn]

Every night.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're getting. You're getting somebody who last season, before his injury was statistically not. This is not like hyperbole. He was the best offensive rebounding center in the game. He was the. One of the best defensive rim protection players in the game. And you aren't a very big roster. He makes you. It's dimension that you've been waiting for, that you need.

[Don Hahn]

But the scary thing is he was on his way to becoming defensive player of the year. And when did he get hurt? In December.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

You know, and we thought we were getting him back this December and now we're halfway through February.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And you said he spoke to the media, he spoke to the. The writers before the game yesterday, which gives you an indication he might be close to being back. But, you know, if he's not back after the first game, after the All Star breaks, like, when are you coming back, man, all of a sudden it becomes March, and that's the thing. And OG. Yeah, you get. He gets hurt, man. It seems like that's something that he's always had happen to him. So I'm just getting the guys back, keeping them back.

[Alan Hahn]

It's going to take you time when you get back too. You got to play a little bit, you got to find a rhythm, you got to get your legs back. So it's, listen, it's a, it's both a very exciting time for Knicks fans and a little scary because you're just not sure what you're going to have when we get down the stretch here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's. It's definitely a fair argument. I get it. Totally get it. I find it to me not something that I think we're just going to have declaratives. What I'm saying is, is I think this is finally where we're waiting to get to right this part of the season because we can't use the health. Oh well, wait till they get him back or wait till they get this guy back. Like the whole point is, is on the other of this All Star break, it is a sprint now to the playoffs. At worst, you want to secure the three seed. You have a chance to get the two seed. And I mean it feels like Cleveland, even if you swept those three games, I think they just feel too far away to try to get a one seed. But you're in the conversation. And so I think the most, I think the most compelling part of the Knicks season is about to happen over the next couple of weeks because you're really going to get a feel for Is this team going to show you something and make you start believing, like, oh my God, this is going to be a hell of a spring or yeah, they're still a piece or two away from being at that level and that's kind of what we're. I'm looking to find out. It's been a great season. They've been winning a ton of games. But we all want to know what is it going to build up to? What is it going to lead to? And we're going to find out very soon.

[Don Hahn]

And the thing that stinks about the whole thing is if you do play Boston in the second round and you are improved and you play them tough and you clearly are a better team than you were last year and the year before. It's still a second round exit. Hopefully people will be able to see through that and appreciate it more. But at the end of the day, it's still going to feel like same old Knicks and that would be a shame.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, no doubt about that. 800-919-3776 Boys, you want to get to some calls. I got to get to some work.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you should. Let's talk to the people. There's so many people have so much to say, Ray. Ro. Yeah, we got to talk Knicks, we got to talk the list. But Tommy in Connecticut, Don, he wants to talk Four Nations. What do you got, Tommy? Let me hold. I got a mouse. There you go. What's up, gentlemen? How are we doing tonight?

[Don Hahn]

Good.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, I'll always gotta. Gotta check in. What. What are these Wildcats doing in the cellar of the hockeys?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, he had to go do his MSG thing. So what was your four nations thing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

We lost.

[Alan Hahn]

So is the team Canada power play team. The power play one, maybe the scariest thing that's ever existed.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, we were talking about it the other day. I can't imagine that there's anything that's even remotely close to that power play.

[Ty Butler]

I saw.

[Don Hahn]

I think the funniest thing I saw on Twitter was why don't you just.

[Alan Hahn]

Put three goalies in?

[Don Hahn]

Even then, I'm not sure. Like, but, but, but the funny thing, we've seen, like, great teams struggle on the power play. You know, last I looked, I don't think the Avalanche power play was anything great. And you know, for a chunk of the season, they had rant in on it before they traded him away. And you've got McKinnon and you've got Makar. I remember all those years Pittsburgh had like, Crosby in his prime, Malkinen in prime. It's like, how is this team 15th on the power play? Because here's the thing about it, is that there's still a chemistry to a power play. I think there's a lot of coaching in a power play. So, yes, the names are unbelievable. And we'll give them to you as soon as I punch it up here on my computer. Their power play, Peter. And you're not, you know, the biggest hockey guy in the world. It's Crosby, McKinnon, Reinhart, McCarr and McDavid. That's power play unit one. And then Stone Point, Marner, Konecke and Theodore. So there's a bit of a drop off, obviously, but that first power play is going to be amazing. But they've never, but they've never played together, really. I mean, that's, that's five players on five different teams. Well, like McKinnon and McCarr play together, but so doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to click right away. But the talent on there is going to be a lot of fun to Watch and we'll see it tonight.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean listen, it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be a Wednesday evening in New York City if we didn't hear from Richard Manhattan.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, there you go.

[Richard Manhattan]

Hi, Peter. Hi Don. You know Don, in 1964, the NHL, one American born player, Tommy Williams, his name was on the Boston Bruins, that was it. No Finns, no Swedes, certainly no Russians. A couple of Czechoslovakians I remembered like Stan Makita. Yeah, and I think Eric Nestarenko. I also, I'm thinking about failure, guys. What about Mike Torres? Bucky Dent's home run, that's all you think when you think of Mike Torres. And I don't know if you guys remember the 76 Olympics. One of the most frustrating athlete I've ever seen. He was the greatest high jumper, American high jumper. I don't know if you remember Dwight Stones, okay. And he couldn't get over the bar in Montreal. And it was so. It was just a qualifying and he just could not do it. You saw his face, he looked defeated. This was just to qualify. Could not get over as far as St. John's tonight. The only sad thing I would say on St. John's season this year, and that's Lou Karnaseka is not here to enjoy. This would have been perfect for Lou. This would have revived, might have kept him going for five more years because Rick Pitino is a reincarnation of Lou Arnaseka. Peter, if you know how, if you knew how great college basketball was in the 70s. Don, 50 years ago I went to the best NIT ever, the Princeton NIT. Princeton went through the whole field at the Garden. It was big, it was tremendous. And then you had Rutgers the next year going undefeated. The year after that, Valvano with the Iona team. They were great. I mean New York and of course St. John's was always good. Fordham had some good basketball teams. College basketball was king in New York. It was that good. And the biggies expanded it. Then later in the 80s you had Seton hall and they were great. I mean it was fantastic. When St. John's died in basketball, college basketball has been dead 20 years, fellas. That's the lousy thing. Quick opinions, Don, be too quick opinions. Who's the bigger pain in the neck? Kyrie Irving or Aaron Rodgers?

[Alan Hahn]

At this moment I would say it's been over the course of the last year. I'd say it's Rogers, Don.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, well listen, but Kyrie was. Him not being able to play was really, really friend, really derailed their season. I mean, Rogers got hurt, but. And he was a pain, but when he was healthy.

[Alan Hahn]

Kyrie. Don. All time. Kyrie. Recency.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Yeah, probably. Probably.

[Richard Manhattan]

All right, one more.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Richard Manhattan]

Who's the more. Who's the more. Now these. Both guys have flaws. Both have a lot of flaws. Who's the most transformative player? Kevin Durant? Juan Soto. I'll leave you with that, fellas. Always a pleasure.

[Don Hahn]

Probably Soto just because he's so damn young. I mean, we probably won't. We still have so much of his prime left, so I would think it'd be so.

[Alan Hahn]

I, I guess, I guess it's. What do you mean by transformative exactly? Because we don't know. We don't know Soto's impact on the game yet. You know what I mean?

[Don Hahn]

True. Yeah. We'd have to get him the game.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that, that, that. I'd say I'm not exactly sure, but.

[Don Hahn]

You know, getting back to the same John. Yes, yes. St. John's not being good hurt. Then when UConn would come to Madison Square Garden and sell it out and St. John's would have like 8,000 people in the building hurt. But the other problem is what happened to the Big East? Like, you have sports fans, like, can you even name who's in the Big East? Like Creighton, Marquette. Like, what happened to Syracuse? Right. Rutgers is gone. But you know, back in the day, 1985, you could rattle off everybody that was in the Big east and the rivalries. And once they blew that up, Peter, it really is taking a hit. I mean, how do you have these teams. And it's happening all over the place too. Like the joke of where some of these even in football, some of these team, the conferences that they play in, how can Rutgers be in the same conference as Oregon? Like, come on.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, no, listen. College sports has been crushed. That. I mean, listen, as much as you, you can say it's because of those things that took St. John's out of it. As much as any one team being bad has hurt college basketball, nothing can hurt it as much as the realignments and these greedy ass conferences. It's, it's Don. I felt it individually. For me, the, the Maryland Terrapins going from the ACC to the Big Ten, while I still care it, I will never recover my level of interest. It will never come back in the same.

[Don Hahn]

And also what hurt it too is these decisions were being, these were football decisions that were being made more so than basketball, right? Like, I don't know if the Big Ten wanted Rutgers basketball they wanted to bring. They wanted to get, like, a New York feel from the football, like, so that I don't know all the ins and outs to every single decision, but, like, that. That hurts it, too. And then, you know, if Saint. If St. John's had a legitimate football program, they'd probably be in the Big Ten. But they didn't, so they stayed in the Big East.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's. Let's go with.

[Ty Butler]

Hey, guys. Don. A quick one for your list and a silly but curious question I have for you all about hockey and your coverage of hockey. For your list. For your list. Andres Escobar played, uh, for the Columbia national team. Uh, soccer.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah. The goal that went. It had some pretty tragic ramifications. I thought that would be a good.

[Don Hahn]

Educate me, though, how good a player was he? Obviously, he's playing in the World cup, but, like, how great a player was he?

[Ty Butler]

That whole team was really, really good. He was very agile, very good. I'm not a big soccer fan, but at the time, I had a relationship with a Colombian woman. And he was really loved, more so because of his character. He's a leader, more so than his athleticism. But he was very loved, a very good player, and he deserved a better. A better fate, not only on the field, but off the field. I'll leave it at that. Just to not get too dark about it.

[Don Hahn]

It was brought up yesterday. Somebody had called up and brought it up. But, no, it's definitely an interesting one. I just don't know a lot about him as a player. What was your hockey point, Jay?

[Ty Butler]

So just a question, and I always wondered, what research, if any, do you do to pronounce some of the names that you have to pronounce in such a. In such a diverse sport? Because I struggle sometimes trying to watch and trying to, you know, get some of these names down, and I see you kind of do it effortlessly. I don't know if it's part of your training or if it's research, but what do you do to make sure that these names are pronounced, you know, correctly? Do you guys have meetings? Do you speak to the players?

[Don Hahn]

Well, you try to. What you do, and if I. If it's. If I have access to their PR department and ask them. But sometimes it's as simple as just going to YouTube and listening to highlights. If it's a player, I, you know, I'm a hockey junkie, so I watch a lot of games, so I kind of know the pronunciations anyway. But if it was somebody that was called up or somebody that's new. You know, going, looking at highlights, seeing how the other announcers pronounce it. But that's that you just tapped into a meeting. That usually happens before a game. I'll be sitting there talking to the, the play by play guy of the other team. And usually what will come is, so how do you pronounce this? How do you pronounce that? So yeah, it's research, but just, you know, common sense and conversation.

[Alan Hahn]

But, but I will say there are, there are names out there, Don, that you seemingly effortlessly blow through that are.

[Don Hahn]

It's. Well, just, it's just knowing the game. But sometimes, Peter, it's, it's really hard. Especially in a sport where there's a fast flow to it and you've got like an eight syllable name gets thrown out there. It could be. But then you got. You kind of get used to it. I, I told the story when I first started working in sportsvault. I wasn't a big tennis guy, but I had to learn to pronounce. And I did it and practiced it so much that now I can get it down. Almost perfect is Goran Ivanicevich. But when I was first had to learn it, I'm like, it was hard to get just that doesn't flow out of the mouth very easily. You know, Corpus salo doesn't sound like it's that hard, but you know, save corpusallo. Corpus. You do it long enough that against eventually you kind of get it. But Merz Leakins, that's another great one for the Columbus Blue Jacket. Mers Leakins. But the thing is his first name's Elvis. So I did take the liberty of sometimes saying Save Elvis.

[Alan Hahn]

Just to get.

[Don Hahn]

Out of having to say. Not that I couldn't say it, but it just. Mers Leakins doesn't pop out of you. It doesn't flow very well.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it's fair to call Mers Leakins Elvis. I'm fine with it.

[Don Hahn]

And am I wrong, Peter, that I wanted them to know more about his relationship with a Colombian woman more so than hearing about the history of Escobar?

[Alan Hahn]

It did cross my mind.

[Don Hahn]

Well, just give me that. I'm not saying you took much thought, but did it like, did you, did it pop into your mind that if in the right form you might have asked a little bit more about the.

[Alan Hahn]

Tell us more. I mean, how, what kind of, what kind of, how good a situation was this? Let's, let's take, let's take one from Ty in the Bronx. What's up, Tyler?

[Eric Allen]

What's up, Rosenberg. Hey, real quick, Small world. Congrats on the baby.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks.

[Eric Allen]

Matt was actually in my limo in. In high school. We went to the prom. Like, all of us went in the prom in the same limo. So that's pretty cool.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Eric Allen]

Yeah. Small world, dude.

[Don Hahn]

Some questions about that, too.

[Eric Allen]

I'm calling about. No, no, nothing like that. I'm calling about the Yankees, man. Soto, I disagree with you. He transformed everything. I've been a Yankee fan my whole life. He changed everything. When he came, I was so excited. It gave me that I'm a Knicks fan, but it gave me that feeling I got when, like, watching Kobe play. It was, like, totally different. Everything changed. He changed the culture. He changed everything. He made the Yankees almost, like, not as sushi, you know? Like, it made us, like, fun again. And I think when Judge said that it was his business and he wasn't getting into it, it was like I knew right away he was leaving. I was like. I knew it because I was at game five. I saw him sitting in the dugout. The baseball part, he cared, man. He wanted to win so bad. Like, he sat there, just sat there like dead eyes, just looking at them celebrate on the field. And I sat right there looking at him, too. Looking stupid. But that's how it felt. And when Judge said that, it's like I almost knew that he was leaving because they were more like co workers than friends, even though it looked good.

[Don Hahn]

And if the Yankees offered him more money, he would have stayed. Don't read into it any deeper than that, man.

[Eric Allen]

But it wasn't so much money, man. It was such a little bit of money. For that kind of money, that's all about, man.

[Don Hahn]

You don't hire Scott Boris. Ty, I love you. And I think there is a story in that limo. Maybe not involving Natalie, God forbid. She's a mother of Peter's child. But something happened in that limo. But something happened in a limo.

[Alan Hahn]

What do you mean? Every. You know, many limos have been taken to prom and nothing exciting.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but Ty. Ty sounds like a guy that something would happen.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, you mean, like, for him? Like he had something happen?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that's what I'm saying. It's.

[Alan Hahn]

Dude, I'll ask if anything crazy happened in the limo. We have a very progressive relationship.

[Don Hahn]

If the answer is none of your.

[Alan Hahn]

Business, don't tell me.

[Don Hahn]

It's. Can we stop? It was all about the money, all right? So don't. Don't give me any kind of story. They weren't really friends with everybody or this. No he went to the highest bidder. The Mets were the highest bidder. They got him. That's it. If the Yankees had paid him, he would have stayed. So don't say I knew he was gone because of this or that or no and Judge knew it and Cole knew it. He was going to go to the highest bidder. Period. Is there any other story, Peter? Any other story?

[Alan Hahn]

I I do not think so. I do think there's some interesting stuff to be talked about with regard to if the players have relationships anymore. But yeah, I think it was basically about the cache. 1-800-919-3776 we do have a phone line open. The rest are jammed up. We'll get to all of you guys Next, it's Peter and Don on 880 New York, and I got to tell you guys about a midweek boost. If you're looking for one from FanDuel, America's number one sportsbook, they got you covered with the Hump Day Parlays Rewards Stack. Now, every Wednesday you can get parlay profit boosts on everything from spreads to over unders and even player props. So don't let the weekend have all the fun. Take advantage of the Hump Day Parlays Reward Stack. Who knows, it might just become your favorite day. Look for the hump day's hump day parlays reward stack in the FanDuel app to find these profit boosts. All right, if you're new to FanDuel, visit FanDuel.com Peter make every moment more with FanDuel official sportsbook partner of the NBA 21 and over in fizzly present New York opt in required Max wager amount applies Bonus issues Non withdrawable profit boost tokens Restrictions apply including token expiration. See terms for Both [e-mail] For help with a gambling problem, call 877-8-Open Y or text OPTY 467-369 as the number.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Alan Hahn]

What is there a red man? Any any reason for red man or just felt muddy waters came out on February 12th. Wow, you're very good with the things that happened on a day. It's enjoyable. I enjoy it.

[Don Hahn]

Good job.

[Alan Hahn]

Shout out to New Jersey Zone the great Reggie Nobles, Peter and Don on a Wednesday evening. Allen will be back with us. He's at the Garden getting ready for the Knicks final game of the first half of the season. If you still call it that because it's clearly 2/3 of the season. Whatever.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Alan Hahn]

Not even close. Let's get Back to the phones. 1-800-919-377-6. It's all on the table. Anthony and Charlotte. What's up, buddy? Hey, what's going on, guys? Just wanted to add a couple of names and not to that list, but I think local names and I don't know if there's some that you can add. Don. I was trying to think of a Rangers one, but I couldn't think of have won. But for the Mets I have Luis Castillo. That's always a solid player that should have been remembered for what he brought to the table. But remember for the drop against the Yankees and then for the Giants, he was a terrible player. But the guy that I always remember based off of one play is Matt Dodge with the punt against Philadelphia.

[Don Hahn]

Just a horrible, horrible, horrible decision. He was a high draft pick too. That was a absolute disaster. Yeah, the Luis cast, again, not great players, but I understand.

[Alan Hahn]

And these are also very local. They're just very local.

[Don Hahn]

And another one, you couldn't think of a Ranger one? Anthony, I don't know how far you go back and certainly he made up for it two years later. But the goal Richter gave up center ice from Ron Francis in the 92 playoffs.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, I remember it well.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you weren't even. You were negative two.

[Alan Hahn]

Correct.

[Don Hahn]

But you're, but you're enough of a historian to know the play I'm talking about. Your dad knows.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, I do.

[Don Hahn]

Get him on the horn, tell you all about it.

[Alan Hahn]

A lot of pain from, from those teams up until 94.

[Don Hahn]

But you know, Richter wins a cup the next, you know, two years later and then like nobody even remembers.

[Alan Hahn]

In, in, in the Giants suck even worse than we understand news. Did you see the latest Kaderius Tony update? No, this now in about the former Brown and of course Giants draft pick. Was he. It was Kaderius a first round draft pick.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he was first round.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

They were excited. He was arrested last week. Last week for allegedly putting his hand around a woman's throat during a dispute with enough force to cause her to be unable to breathe and leave red marks on her neck and cause hemorrhaging in her eyes.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, no.

[Alan Hahn]

So this was choking is what it sounds like is intense choking. Sounds like now. This came not long after the Browns had waived him. I don't know if you saw that when it happened at the time, but there was taunting after a punt return and a muffed punt in the same game which cost them against the Steelers and now this. And Don, I don't know if you remember us talking about this. I know I very clearly brought up around Tony Why are they doing this again? Like, what happened to the Giant way over the last many years, there was the deandre Baker, the Kaderius. Tony. That's right, the field goal kicker. His name I always forget for no reason.

[Don Hahn]

Josh.

[Alan Hahn]

Josh. Josh Brown.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

It was like one thing after another where, like, not only are the Giants bad on the field, Don, but they, like, totally lost their way in terms of personnel.

[Don Hahn]

And I believe. And even though, listen, nobody loves Tom Coughlin more than me. And obviously letting Tom Coughlin go kind of was a springboard to them becoming just a completely dysfunctional franchise. But it kind of started with Coughlin enabling Odell with the whole thing that went on with Josh Norman in that Carolina game. And there was just no controlling him. Why? Because all they cared about was winning. And that sounds like a good thing, but when you start losing your way because all you care about in the draft is getting the best player, not doing the homework on if he's a good guy or not, or does he fit into what we're trying to do, or will he be able to handle New York? It seemed like every decision they made, get another championship for Eli, get the best player for Eli. It doesn't matter if they've got a checkered pass. We'll be able to control it, we'll be able to fix it. Yeah, Odell is out of control and we gotta bench it, but we can't because he gives us the only chance to win. That mentality crept in and it led to every poor decision since they completely, Peter, have lost their way like no other franchise I can think of. Cleveland's never been good forever. All right, the jets have had their problems forever, but name another franchise, a championship pedigree franchise that, yeah, they had their tough times, but they always seem to get off the mat. They always seem to do things in a classy way. The first thing you thought about the Giants, you thought it was a functional organization that always put themselves in a position to try to win. They'd overcome their foibles, but at the end of the day, they'd get back on track, make the right decisions, and now have become one of the most embarrassing organizations.

[Alan Hahn]

And isn't it funny? It's interesting, too, because we talked so much about the Odell thing and what that represented. The irony that we never would have known at the time. Odell was a pain in the ace. He was the best of the. He wasn't an actual problem relative to the other people they drafted. He was just sort of annoying and, like, petulant. Like, we didn't even know, Don, that from like a behavior standpoint, Odell was like a model citizen compared to the people they decided to bring into this organization.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but in that game, it's specifically. Oh, yeah, you had to sit him down. He was out of control. Coughlin couldn't do it. And you could say, well, what about Parcells and lt And I get it, but the culture was different. That, you know, LT had his problems. And there's no question. And I'm sure that Parcells looked away, but it, for whatever reason, it didn't bring the organization down to the level that it's been brought down to now. And I know it's supposed to be a. The whole Raiders mantra of, you know, winning is the. Isn't everything, it's the only thing kind of thing. Just win, baby. That kind of. But. But the culture has to. Has to still be intact in some way. You can't completely sell your soul and sell what you're about for the next win. And unfortunately, in a cap sport, Peter, like football, you can't buy your way out of it. And these poor decisions are going to be crippling. I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants are this way for the next decade.

[Alan Hahn]

It's, It's. It's really. It has not been great. Did you. Now, did you keep up with what was going on in the group chat last night?

[Don Hahn]

I try. Our group chat was getting out of hand. It is really a marvel to behold. Don't look at me. But I'm not sure last night.

[Alan Hahn]

Talking about last night was Anthony. Last night was not about Anthony, though very often it is him and Alan, I lay out. Now you guys are on your own. They, you know, you. I wouldn't say you lay out, but you, you, you're. You're. Last night, you were not the focal point last night. I called out Allen, the group chat because he. He claims he was quoting, but he said something was Cap.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, I couldn't follow it. I did see that, but I was trying to figure out because, again, there's all other conversations to go on in between. So I didn't know what that meant. I wanted to ask you about that. Please tell me.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. Good job.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

So. So he said it on the air before. You had no idea what he was talking about, right?

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

So Cap is. It is a young, very young person's way of saying lie. Cappin is lying. Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

And yet Alan has said it on the air before, and I should have called it out then, but it Slipped past me. And I just. The moment passed, and I saw at the time that he said it, Don, that you glazed over. No idea what he was talking about. And then yesterday in the group chat, he said it again. Now, when I called him out for it, he claimed he was quoting the Player directly. But I followed it up, Don, by saying, allen, you are too old and white to be saying cap. And I know that to be true because I'm too old and white to be saying captain. And by the way, I want to be clear, I'm throwing in the white part for effect. It's really about being old, okay? Because people of all backgrounds say cap. But there's. But there's a common thread, Don. They're younger than, like, 28. It's very young slang.

[Don Hahn]

But he has young children that might use it. Does that help?

[Alan Hahn]

He. Well, I don't know whether his kids use cap. I can't. I. That. That's hard. They said they had no interest in the Kendrick performance, which would lead me to thinking they don't say cap. Although I could be. You know, that could be cap. I don't know. And. And when I called him out for this, Don, he got very hostile.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, no.

[Alan Hahn]

He started throwing fastballs at me. There were some attacking, and it was. It was upsetting. But I'm not going to back off this point. There is certain slang that you just get too old to use. Cap is one of them. You can't do it. You cannot do it. It sounds nuts. Don. If I say it, I have to, like, force the word out of my mouth. It's just not what I. It's. It came from kids. It's not. Anthony, have you ever said capping?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

No, never. How old are you? 30, but you're remarkably uncool. Let's go to Jake. Jake. Jacob, how old are you?

[Don Hahn]

32.

[Alan Hahn]

So you're two years older than Anthony, but slightly cooler. Do you use the word cap?

[Don Hahn]

No, not at all. Not even my vocabulary. Haven't thought about using the slang. I actually hate it now, who's. Who's coming in to replace you? Because we need a younger audience here.

[Alan Hahn]

I know, right?

[Don Hahn]

Is Matt Boombaka in? Because he's young. Yeah, Matt's here, actually.

[Alan Hahn]

Where. How old's Boom, Bob? You use cap or what?

[Don Hahn]

I have said cap before.

[Alan Hahn]

There's no way. I've never said it. I've definitely said it before, but in regular conversation. Are you being like. If someone says something that's untrue, are you saying that's cap? I. I would say I've said it before.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. And how old are you? Boom Baka?

[Don Hahn]

I'm 27.

[Alan Hahn]

27. Do you know how many boombakas it takes to reach Alan Hahn? Two of them. You need two. Four boom bakas for one Han.

[Don Hahn]

He said he has said it before, right? It's not part of his vocabulary now.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, no, he's not saying. He says it every day. It's there. And he's the youngest person we can find. That was my only point. I brought it up on the, on the on with Ebro and Laura today too.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, really?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, and Ebro, Wade. And immediately he addressed Han directly and said, you must stand down. You cannot say cat now.

[Don Hahn]

And Matt, I think is smart enough to know that if he's hanging out with like a younger crowd of people that maybe he'd use it. I don't think he'd use it to us like in a group chat. That's the thing. It's like, it's one thing if you're trying to relate to a younger audience or you're a 27 year old hanging out with like 22 year olds maybe, but Matt's not gonna like say that to Michael K. No, you know what?

[Alan Hahn]

You know what Alan gives when he says Cap? You know the meme of Steve Buscemi wearing the red hot red hat, showing up and being like, hello, my fellow high school friends. It just gives big narc energy.

[Don Hahn]

Well, it's trying too hard, bro.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. So, Peter, while I'm gone, I guess that's when you decided to pull the. Pull the dagger out and start stabbing.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I knew you were coming back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, yeah, but still, I guess. Why not do it while I'm here?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, because we had better phone calls then. Sometimes you got to improvise, Al.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it was the right.

[Alan Hahn]

Trust me, it was the right time. And I. I said everything I said right to you, right for the audience. Yes, of course I did. I said, you're too old to say Cap. I'm too old to say Cap. And the only person we could find in the radio station who ever uses Cap is Boombaka, who's half your age. So you need two boombakas to be one, huh?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ty Butler. Cap.

[Alan Hahn]

Ty. Ty's not. Does Ty say Cap? If he does, I feel like he's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, Bart. Bart has said it. That's where I got it from. Like, there's so many bisms that's stuck in my brain right now, but I don't know, that just tend to just fall out. Alan, it is very dangerous. You're right.

[Alan Hahn]

You follow too many Bartisms, you're not gonna have a job. Very. You got to be careful.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, well, well. Look, first of all, what I said on the. On the group chat was literally what Josh Hart said in response to the thing you guys were talking about.

[Alan Hahn]

But you didn't use.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I. Because I'm like, I'm in the middle of stuff. I had a post game show I was doing, or pregame show, whatever that was. I was busy last night. I wasn't sitting at home petting my dog, watching TV while your wife does all the work. Baby, I wasn't doing that.

[Alan Hahn]

All the things I was working.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You had make money for my family, by the way.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way. And here's what makes Alan such a fraud is he's telling you this right now, and he's telling the truth. Except he's always got time to talk trash in the group chat. He could be doing anything. He's got time to get spicy in the group chat, so that's not a reasonable excuse.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, come with the bull, you get the horns, you bring something my way. I'm not going to ignore it. Now, again, I did drop it on the air. I do that for comedy. It's definitely not something that is in my orthographic lexicon. All right? I just. It's just something that I think is funny.

[Alan Hahn]

See, orthographic is more you than cap. I don't even know what orthographic is, but it feels more fitting for you than cat. Jacob, play the cat. Play his cap again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I just. Yeah, it. Just having fun with it. Like, I try to get. I'm trying to get a reaction out of you.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, guess what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you're like, oh, you use it all the time. Like, as if I'm talking to my kids and I say that stuff. They. They would cringe if I said that to them in the conversation. I do it to my kids sometimes just to make them cringe because it's funny.

[Alan Hahn]

Do your kids know that you've been on the air and say cat before?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course. Yeah. And it's the same thing. Like, they just roll their eyes. But they know why I do it. I'm not doing it because, like, I actually use this as part of my lingo. I do it to get like, I knew you. You'd react. You're so predictable. I knew you would. But the fact that you became the arbiter of all of linguistics, of all the things that I'm allowed to say.

[Alan Hahn]

See, that's what.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I found that to be offensive.

[Alan Hahn]

See, that's what got you hot. But I was just doing you a favor. It may not come off as if.

[Peter Rosenberg]

As if I didn't know already that I probably shouldn't use that. Converse, like, in a conversation when I'm calling a game on the air. I probably shouldn't say cap. Right? Maybe on get up next to Mike Greenberg. I probably shouldn't say cap. Right? But I know that. Thanks, dad. I'm well aware, Don. This was in, like, we were having fun.

[Alan Hahn]

Dom, when he said it on our show, he left you. He left you completely out there. You didn't know what he said. You were completely lost.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't you don. You didn't know what I meant.

[Don Hahn]

Why would I know? 57 year old man. I don't know anything. A cap is a, you know, a gut. You shot somebody.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, there you go. Well, that's an updated version from a baseball cap. It. Don's on the last cap. Don made it. He made it from the baseball cap to the bullet cap. He hasn't made it to the lie cap. He's not there yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I, I'm just letting you know that when I do that stuff on the air, it's because I know that you are Peter hair trigger when it comes to things like that. And I'm just waiting for it. And you, you did it. The only thing is you did it in a group chat.

[Alan Hahn]

I know why she's like. But I said, didn't I say right away I should have done this on the air? Sorry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But just know as you're getting Peter's goat, you have another host who has no idea what you're talking about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I have another goat who is just completely like, I don't know what's going on here. Understood. All right. I won't do it anymore.

[Alan Hahn]

Like a lot of people on the phone.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I would do this stuff to Bart. Like, Bart, Bart would react a lot of times because he thought it was funny because, like, here's this middle aged white guy using lingo that like he's used to. And I'm like, he always says, you speak fluent Bart.

[Alan Hahn]

That was always, by the way, Bart is too old to say cap. Also.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know. I don't understand Jake.

[Alan Hahn]

I know he's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why is this even a thing right now?

[Alan Hahn]

I know he's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who are you to tell him what for him to say?

[Alan Hahn]

Because I am paid to talk. And what I'm telling you is the truth. Bart Scott is a cool guy and a great football player. His ass is too old to say cap two. Yes. He could break me in half. He's a great athlete. He's. Jacob says, Jacob says he's too old for cap and he's 32.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jake, I've heard you say it. Don't even act like you don't.

[Don Hahn]

I actually have.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you have. When we have had conversations.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't back down, Jacob.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I'll say sitting in the studio. You have dropped that. I know you.

[Don Hahn]

I'll say dead ass. Or you know.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, everyone said ass is fine. There's no age limit on dead ass.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but that's, that's more, that's more of long. That's along the lines of my. My. You know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So wait. All right, so what? What's all right? So what Peter's saying is you got to be generational. So if I just said word, that's all right.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah, word is perfect for you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But if you say words. But if he does say word, too.

[Don Hahn]

It'S gonna feel like that oldie. You know? You know what I mean? Like, you know, you sound like an old head. No, but word. If you just go word. That's ironic. If you, like, went word up.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, yeah. Word up is going too far. Now you're being quite. Yeah, now you're going to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not quite, but you.

[Alan Hahn]

But you could. Like, for example, if we were having a conversation on the air and you went, oh, I went to this new restaurant. It was dope. That to me would sound fine. I'd go, yeah, Alan's age. Dope is. It sits right there. It's. You know, you're at the beginning era of the dope era.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you're the guy that told me that there's no rules for fans. And don't tell me how to fan. Why are there. Why are you making rules for me on things? I just feel like saying in a.

[Don Hahn]

Moment, where do we sit down on Sus.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I never. I've never used that.

[Alan Hahn]

Sus is more. Listen, Sus Diddy. This whole generation of kids is so annoying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like Rick was. Rick and Dave were talking about Sigma this morning, which. That's the one I don't get.

[Alan Hahn]

What's that one? I don't even know that one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, apparently, as they would describe it, Sigma is about, like, somebody that doesn't need anyone, that does their own thing, follows their own road. Like, I don't.

[Don Hahn]

I thought they were talking. Talking about their medical plan. Rick was suggesting that his. That Dave's surgery on his wrist. He should go to Sigma.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Use Sig Sigma.

[Alan Hahn]

That Sigma.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't understand rules like this. If it feels right to say it in the moment, just say it in the moment.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's. Because here's the thing. It.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Am I being judged? Do I care? I'm a Sigma. I don't care what people think of me.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know if that's me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't either.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, do you realize that because of our context, we got a call earlier, Allen, and. And the guy was telling a story about the Colombian soccer team and said, you know, I was with a Colombian woman at the time, and now. And Don said, I wanted to hear more about that. And now, ever since We've had another guy on hold and it says next to his name, I'm married to a Colombian woman.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's all he was starting off. So I tell you what, we are starting off, off the show tomorrow then with all of this, because it seems to be we have touched a nerve. No, Cap. We have touched a nerve with this cap. And I do think there is something to, to definitely dive back into with this and more. And we'll, like I said, we will see cray cray. We will see how the Knicks do tonight against the Hawks and Trey Young. Trey. Trey. And everything else. But yeah, you see, it's funny when I go away, the stuff that ends up happening on this show. I'll tell you what, but Tessa and her call, I can't wait to play it for Bill.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In a minute. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.