Hour 4: Decades

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: Decades Release Date: June 9, 2025

In the fourth hour of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast, hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve into a nostalgic exploration of past decades, intertwining discussions on music, technology, and sports. This episode, aptly titled "Decades," offers listeners a rich tapestry of reflections and debates on how different eras have shaped contemporary culture.

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1. The Evolution of Music Across Decades

Pete Rock’s Influential Album Anniversary

The conversation kicks off with Peter Rosenberg highlighting the 33rd anniversary of Pete Rock’s seminal album:

• Peter Rosenberg [01:15]: "This album was released... one of the first where the jazz influence really hit hard."

Don Hahn concurs, emphasizing the album's masterful composition:

• Don Hahn [01:51]: "This album's a great masterpiece. That's a duo that... they put out hit after hit after hit."

Impact of Jazz on Hip Hop

The hosts discuss the transformative period in the early '90s when jazz began to significantly influence hip hop, leading to a homogenization of the sound. Alan Hahn reflects on the era's novelty:

• Alan Hahn [02:03]: "I don't know if it's the first, but this is one of like the first where the jazz influence really hit hard."

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2. Defining Decades in Modern Culture

Changing Nomenclature of Decades

A substantial portion of the episode debates whether society continues to categorize decades traditionally or if newer nomenclatures are emerging:

• Don Hahn [03:17]: "The 90s, that's it. It's over, right? There's no... 80s music, 80s movies, 90s, it's over now."

• Peter Rosenberg [04:34]: "The first reference to decade was the roaring twenties. Right. You never heard any."

Distinctiveness of Past Decades vs. Present

The hosts argue that earlier decades like the '60s, '70s, and '80s had more distinct cultural and technological shifts compared to the subtle changes in the 2000s and beyond:

• Don Hahn [04:31]: "There is something about the 60s and the 70s and the 80s. It was like the turn of the decade meant change."

• Alan Hahn [05:14]: "It's not going to be over."

The discussion further touches upon the evolution of media and technology, concluding that the fundamental differences between recent decades are less pronounced:

• Don Hahn [06:09]: "But there's always going to be better. Yeah, but I'm just saying the fundamental differences... it's like, oh my God, it's a different world."

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3. Sports Analysis and Hall of Fame Debates

Caller Richard on NBA Team Strategies

Listener interaction begins with Richard from Manhattan discussing NBA team strategies, particularly focusing on adjustments made by teams during critical series:

• Richard [11:00]: "Have you ever seen that? I mean it's worked out and if he wins the championship, you got to say it was a great move."

Debate: Don Mattingly vs. Sandy Koufax for Hall of Fame

A heated debate ensues comparing baseball legends Don Mattingly and Sandy Koufax, centered around their career achievements and Hall of Fame candidacies:

• Don Hahn [15:07]: "Don Mattingly was off the charts during that period of time. Did win an MVP during that period of time."

• Peter Rosenberg [15:30]: "We never really found out how clutch he was because he never really was in clutch situations like that. I mean playoff clutch."

• Alan Hahn [17:24]: "Would Donnie Baseball have been the best player?"

Statistical Comparisons and Postseason Performance

The hosts scrutinize the statistical performances and postseason impacts of both players, ultimately arguing that Koufax’s exceptional postseason achievements bolster his Hall of Fame status more than Mattingly’s regular-season prowess:

• Don Hahn [14:07]: "But Sandy Koufax's final five seasons in Major League baseball... he led the league in earn run average in all five of those seasons."

• Peter Rosenberg [15:09]: "Mattingly was like the victim of the era he played in where..."

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4. Listener Stories and Experiences

Chad’s Memorable Night at Yankee Stadium

Listener Chad shares a heartwarming experience of his uncle being honored as a war veteran at a recent game:

• Chad [20:44]: "It blew my mind that 30, 33 years ago, on this date..."

• Lavelle [21:07]: "Jazz Chisholm threw him a baseball."

Don and Peter express admiration and joy over Chad’s recounting:

• Don Hahn [22:20]: "Wow, that is quite the day. Chad, man, that's amazing."

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5. Closing Remarks and Future Discussions

As the episode wraps up, the hosts hint at upcoming topics and encourage listeners to stay tuned:

• Peter Rosenberg [25:03]: "It's going to make for a very interesting summer. Dan Grass is coming up next."

• Alan Hahn [26:04]: "Hear more of Don, Hahn, and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers."

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Conclusion

Hour 4 of "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" offers a nostalgic yet critical examination of how different decades have influenced music, technology, and sports. Through engaging discussions and listener interactions, the hosts provide insightful perspectives on cultural evolution, the enduring legacy of music legends, and the complexities surrounding sports accolades. Whether reminiscing about the golden era of hip hop or debating the merits of baseball legends, this episode serves as a comprehensive exploration of the past's impact on the present.

Transcript

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers. You don't know this? No, this is. They reminisce over you. This is Pete Rock, Seal Smooth.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know who that is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you know Pete. You would know Pete Rock. There's a lot of beats he has created. Yeah, well, very, very different rock. Different people.

[Don Hahn]

Remember the sitcom rock?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's. It's. I saw this and I was wondering if Peter must know this, but it blew my mind that 30, 33 years ago, on this date.

[Alan]

Oh, really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

This album was released.

[Alan]

Wow. Well, that makes me feel very old. That was the 90s.

[Don Hahn]

That was so long ago.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mecca and the soul brother.

[Alan]

Yeah, 1992.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like that was one of those. I don't know. Again, Peter, I know you're younger than me, but I was still in college and it was a sound that was starting to change in hip hop. Right. This was. I don't know if it's the first, but this is one of like the first where the, the jazz influence really hit hard. And all of a sudden everybody was kind of doing the same thing. And of course, repeat rock. He was already sort of. He was already on the. On the radar. But then suddenly he just became.

[Alan]

No, he became the guy, man. It's.

[Don Hahn]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This album's great I masterpiece. That's a duo that. I don't think it's enough credit from that era. But also as just a duo that they put out hit after hit after hit.

[Alan]

No, they're a mass. That album's a masterpiece.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan]

And it is. It is the beginning of Pete becoming a legend. Wow. 33 years. And by the way, Anthony's making fun of us because everything that's 90s, whenever it comes up, we're always like, can you believe it? And I'm like, you'll understand one day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's been a while. I give you guys credit.

[Alan]

It's been a while.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It wasn't every week this time.

[Alan]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's him calling us a boomer without really saying it.

[Alan]

Well, he just doesn't get it yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course not. He's wet behind the ears. He's a little kid.

[Alan]

The same way I couldn't understand exactly how I feel about how fast time is gonna go with my daughter. He can't understand what it's like to look back that long. Cause 33 years ago for him, he wasn't alive. 33 years ago when this album came out, I was already like getting into hip hop and listen to the album. Not as a baby, as like a 12, 13 year old developing my ear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All you need to know is this. When this album came out, there was no Internet.

[Alan]

Oh, yeah. Well, that's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's all you need to know.

[Alan]

I know. We had a whole life before the Internet, kids.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was the best.

[Don Hahn]

I had more. Maybe, maybe a little Prodigy. I had that.

[Alan]

92. Yeah, maybe, maybe.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know that feels early.

[Don Hahn]

PC Junior.

[Alan]

It feels early even for Prodigy. But, yeah, maybe, maybe the AOL Prodigy era had started.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The AOL wasn't AOL. Like, more miles done 394.

[Alan]

I don't know.

[Don Hahn]

All I know is, is that the 90s, that's it. It's over, right? There's no. Are they ever going to get back to. Oh, you know that, that. That's so 20s. That's a 20s movie. Are they going to do that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Or is. Or after the 90s, as far as like naming decades, like 80s music, 80s movies, 90s, it's over now. Like, are we gonna do that 70s disco? That's more early 22 thousands.

[Alan]

People say early 2000s, but that's not a thing that.

[Don Hahn]

That doesn't flow like, it's not a 90s 80s.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In the 1900s, it was always like the ought eight. Ought eight.

[Don Hahn]

But maybe it's not a steadfast rule, but there is a. There's something about the 60s and the 70s and the 80s. It was like the turn of the decade meant change. The way we looked at things, the way we dressed. What's the line of demarcation now in the 2000s, will we get to a point where it'll be that, oh, that's the 30s, the 40s, like reset, like now, 100 years later, like, I don't know what you'd call it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a good point.

[Alan]

But people do say early 2000s.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The first reference to decade was the roaring twenties. Right. You never heard any.

[Don Hahn]

No, actually, you know, what was this? Gonna sound off brand. But I'm Not I'm. That was the gay 90s. 1890s. 90s.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, that word didn't have the same meaning. It meant it happy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Because it was. I forget.

[Alan]

Different than my gay 90s, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan]

Well, I'll tell you about that another time.

[Don Hahn]

That's, you know, the different.

[Alan]

It was a run world.

[Don Hahn]

That's. That's what they called it now. There was nothing, I guess, in the turn of the century, and there was probably nothing in the tens, but you had the Roaring Twenties and. I don't know. I think that's over now. I think it's over. And. And is there a distinct difference between.

[Alan]

It's not going to be over.

[Don Hahn]

There's early 2000s and. No, it's over, it's done, it's over.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I agree.

[Alan]

You're both right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because now, instead of calling the decade by its number, you're going to have like. Like, think about it. Sirius xm. You have all the channels.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There is no. When it's after 2000, they don't. They call it. What do they call Y2K nation or something like that? What is that one called?

[Don Hahn]

Then it's over, then it' and then.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It'S just types of music.

[Don Hahn]

Let me ask you something.

[Alan]

I'm listening.

[Don Hahn]

All right. There is a distinct difference, a distinct difference between 1978 and 1988. The way the music sounded, the technology was a distinct difference. Big. Is there a distinct difference between 2009 and 2019? No, I'm sure that. Listen, you could say my iPhone's a lot better. You could say that my TV's a little better. But is there a distinct difference in the sound of Music and how we. How we did things, how we dress?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Don Hahn]

No, I don't think there is. Maybe I'm too old to look at it, but there was a distinct difference when that. When that calendar changed to a different decade, it was as if all bets are off. The difference between 10 years was gargantuan.

[Alan]

I hear what you're saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I agree.

[Don Hahn]

You know, and now I think it's over now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sports is different. It's the only thing to me that does that is different.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wouldn't you agree?

[Don Hahn]

But when you say maybe if you want to say the difference between 2011 and 2021 is that maybe they're passing more in the NFL, but is there a distinct. Maybe the game's a little bit more analytic in baseball.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Baseball's way different, you would argue.

[Don Hahn]

But is there a distinct.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Basketball is definitely different.

[Don Hahn]

But if you Turn down a game. I just don't know if anything would jump at you with the uniforms. Yeah. The way the game is played, but just at a casual.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then the standard definition TV versus hd. I mean, the HD stuff.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but there's always going to be better. Yeah, but I'm just saying the fundamental differences of taking a look at what our music and what our movies look like in 1971 and then 1981, it's like, oh my God, it's a different world. That I agree with, I guess because we, I guess we've evolved to the point where now the difference are a little bit more subtle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The last Mission Impossible, which is out right now. So I can't wait to see the first Mission Impossible. If you put them kind of side by side. I mean, Tom Cruise looks older, obviously, but it's all kind of the same, isn't it?

[Alan]

Right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The cars are a little bit newer, but it's all the same.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's.

[Alan]

It's Tom. And Tom Cruise somehow looks the same.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he definitely. You could see it.

[Alan]

You can see.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, the aging is definitely there. Yeah, he does a good job hiding.

[Don Hahn]

It, but yes, he does.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's there.

[Don Hahn]

And he still does a lot of his own stuff.

[Alan]

You want to talk about someone who must be just a complete psychopath. You think, you think, you think Alan's crazy?

[Don Hahn]

If we, if we did a show with Tom Cruise, you'd be interrupting constantly saying, tom, there's something wrong with you.

[Alan]

I think so too. He did McAfee recently for like an hour.

[Don Hahn]

Really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

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[Don Hahn]

Richard in Manhattan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're on the ESPN conversation doesn't please.

[Alan]

Give it to me.

[Don Hahn]

What's up, Richard? Oh, no.

[Richard]

Hi, Don. Peter. Michael. About Michael, I'm saying Alan, I'm sorry. Alan, have you ever seen this? I've never seen it. In 63 years watching NBA basketball, the best team goes into the last series. Still the best team all through the regular season, two series, three series before plays the same lineup. Then adjust the lineup to account for the other team. Have you ever seen that? I mean it's worked out and if he wins the championship, you got to say it was a great move. Have you ever seen that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would have to look back. I've never seen you never seen it. Okay, so you're not going to give me a chance to look back and see it?

[Alan]

Maybe, because maybe it has happened.

[Richard]

But you're talking about the starting center.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Richard]

And not only that, he played. He played that in the 403 series leading up to this final set. I've never seen this. And to account, no injury or anything to account for the other team's quickness, that's an unbelievable move.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, they used to say against them, which is the biggest part of this whole thing, the big front line is something that the Pacers were going to struggle against. It was a smart move.

[Richard]

Fellas, let me go and let me just give you a quick thing. Why Mattingly is not in the hall of Fame. Can I explain it to all the Yankee fans out there?

[Alan]

Yes.

[Richard]

And I'm gonna get Is okay, here, here is. Here it is. Colfax and mattingly. Colfax had four unbelievable years. Four, only four. He had a fifth in 62, but it wasn't unbelievable. So 63 through 66 were unbelievable. And 64, he was hurt. He missed about six starts. Okay. Koufax had four unbelievable years. Now, Mattingly didn't have quite Colfaxian years, but here's the difference. Koufax would not be in the hall of Fame but for the fact he had two unbelievable World Series. The 63 World Series, Game 1, when he struck out 15 Yankees at Yankee Stadium, spooked the hell out of the Yankees. They lost four straight. They'd never seen that in all their World Series. Never seen it in the American League. He came into Yankee Stadium in strike, which was then a record that until Gibson broke it a few years, two years, three years later, nobody had ever seen. And then of course, he pitched game four in Chavez Ravine and beat him two to one. Okay. And then the 65 World Series when he won game five and then pitched on two games rest. The greatest World Series victory ever. Game seven of 65 World Series when he beat the Twins on two days rest, shut him out on a two hitter. That is why Koufax is in the hall of Fame. Mattingly didn't have that. He didn't have the World Series records. He didn't have even playoff. That's it. Now, I'm not going to say Mattingly had four unbelievable record series. I mean, regular seasons that Carfax had. He wasn't. But it's similar, not apples to apples, but very close. Not very close, but close enough. But Mattingly didn't have any postseason. That's why he's not in the work.

[Don Hahn]

It's really hard to compare pitchers and hitters. Now. Don Mattingly was off the charts during that period of time. Did win an MVP during that period of time. But Sandy Koufax's final five seasons in Major League baseball, guys, he led the league in earn run average in all five of those seasons. In three of the five he led the league in strikeouts. He won three Cy Youngs in that five year span. Won an MVP in that five year span. Finished runner up for the MVP twice. No, that, that, that. There is no five years anybody's had the way Sandy Koufax had. Like Sandy Koufax all the chart. Yes, he was great in the postseason and all that. And that hurt. Donnie basically was. He only went to the playoffs once. But no, no, Don Mattingly did not have a five year span that was anywhere close to Sandy's five years. God, just look at these numbers. Unbelievable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mattingly was like the victim of the era he played in where. Yeah, if he played 10 years later and there was wild card, he'd probably.

[Don Hahn]

Have, maybe he would have had some moments.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We never really found out how clutch he was because he never really was in clutch situations like that. I mean playoff clutch.

[Don Hahn]

Right. And it was just 95 and he performed very well in the 95 playoffs. But he did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How hard was it? How hard must have been to walk away. Like think about that.

[Don Hahn]

You know what's interesting? I wonder. It was probably hard because he loved.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Playing like Eddie Westfall did that retired in 79. The team went on the win.

[Don Hahn]

I know, right. That's got to be. I mean he hasn't heard in Boston though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, but, but the point was like.

[Don Hahn]

No, I, I, you were there. Went to LA for, for Goring, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You know. Yeah, it just, it just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

David Lewis, who it didn't he end up winning a cup with the Red Wings, Right. Wasn't Dave Lewis one of the.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he was, he was on the coaching staff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what I mean.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, yeah. He was Scotty Bowman's right hand man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right, right.

[Don Hahn]

He actually coached the team. Some people say it's like he, he communicated with the players.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he eventually got to the point.

[Don Hahn]

Where he did get to that point. But no, it's really interesting. I mean like I think his back gave out. He gave it all that he could. Yeah, right. And I don't think winning was as important as it seems to be now. Like you're judged so harshly for not winning. Well, I mean, but to rattle off four championships in Five years. If you just hung around, like I always wondered, like with Tiki Barber.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You know, Tiki Barber retired and the Giants going to win it. I really believe that if Michael Strahan had retired in 06 and Tiki Hung around and they won the super bowl, like completely different worlds. Right. Like, you know, Strahan hung around and he went to the hall of Fame and deservedly so maybe one day Tiki will. But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But is that one thing that's holding Mattingly back is the, like, if he had played. Let's say he said one more year and he was on the 96 team. Now there's no, I don't know, championship.

[Don Hahn]

Some people say that because if you look at Kirby Puckett's numbers, they're not that much different than. Than Mattingly's. But Kirby's got the two World Series.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But if he had a World Series, still gave you something. Does he?

[Alan]

But you're saying 96.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

One more team was Kirby. I mean, I guess that 91 team was pretty awesome, but he was the best player on that team.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah. Would.

[Alan]

Would Don. Would Donnie Baseball have been the best player?

[Don Hahn]

No, no.

[Alan]

That's the thing. Kirby was the guy.

[Don Hahn]

I don't think he would have stopped them from winning, but, like, Tito was really good, you know, I don't know.

[Alan]

Kirby was the guy in both teams.

[Don Hahn]

But I just think the problem with Donnie is, is that for a hitter, those five years aren't enough. But for Sandy Colfax, again, it's just five years. But again, those numbers are just. And all the no hitters, it's just like even I do think that there's something too, that he was also really good in the postseason, but I think he probably would have made it anyway. This episode is sponsored by Friskies. Who would like to tell your cats hi. Now, if that didn't get your cat's attention, there is one thing that always does the trick. Just pour some Friskies crunchy food in the bowl and you'll hear those paws come running. Works every time. With so many Friskies choices, you can always bring your cats running from their secret napping spots. There's always more to explore. See for [e-mail] or visit your local store. This episode is brought to you by Nespresso and Samara Origins by the Weekend Coffee Collection.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

It's so tough because I heard that Nugent Hopkins is going to be a game time decision that could be a tough loss. Florida is going to get that last change which is really going to be important. If I had to pick, I'd pick the Panthers tonight. Wow. But I wouldn't be surprised. Again we go back to Edmonton.

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[Lavelle]

Thank you so much guys. And Alan, pleasure to have you on the call. Don and Peter, first of all, you guys started off our night and I grabbed a recording off the podcast and posted on my socials as part of how the evening began. No rain delays, gentlemen. No rain delays. Really special time. My son got on the Jomo Chan immediately.

[Alan]

Oh boy.

[Lavelle]

10 year old. That's almost enough to make it a night. It's gonna be Richard from Manhattan Steamroll. And I apologize but I know you're up against it. I want to get this in for you. So more than that, we went down to roll one of one in our section. The usher let us do it. My son got us down there and Jazz Chisholm threw him a baseball.

[Alan]

Okay, this is your day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's starting out well, right?

[Lavelle]

You don't even know. We got on the jumbotron a second time. Okay, Jumbotron, second time. In between that and the the last piece, I'll tell you, my uncle went out there in the seventh and one of the nicest, most humble guys you'll ever meet goes out there in his military uniform, goes out there and Peter, you'll appreciate this. He opened up that shirt like a wrestler showing off his heavyweight championship belt. Then the entire crowd, he hammed it up like you would not believe. I never saw so much out of this man in my entire life. And he took in all tens of thousands of people in the stadium. Show it off. It was incredible. And guys, just to give you a little bit of the end of the night, the security looking one way, I told my son, I'm going to throw you down into that bottom level by the field. He ran over to the Yankee dugout. Wouldn't you know, Jazz Chisholm comes out of the dugout and autographs my son's baseball.

[Don Hahn]

Wow, that is quite the day. Chad, man, that's amazing.

[Lavelle]

I'm glad it started with you guys and it was truly a blessed evening. And I just want to say thank you guys for being a part of it and yeah, Peter, I won't, I won't try to tell you how great it feels to see your 10 year old go through that. I know you don't like to be told what happened in the future, but.

[Don Hahn]

I believe, and I'm glad we were able to be a small part of what just. It must have been an amazing night. So congratulations. I'm glad they were able to get the game in and it sounded like one of the highlights of your life. Lavelle and Yonkers, you're on ESPN New York.

[Michael]

What's going on, fellas?

[Don Hahn]

Everything. What's happening with you?

[Michael]

Everything. Great show as always. This is so. I want to do something I never thought in my life I would do. I've just listened to all week to all of them, the moratorium for Tibbs, like, and we all know how I feel about. But I don't think he's a bad guy personally. But I got to give James Dolan his flowers, which we never do as Nick fans. He is the one who took a chance on bringing an agent in to run basketball operations, we were all like, what? An agent? Who is Dolan? Well, how did it work out? As you like to say, Donnie, how's it work? You know, well, actually, Mike says, how's it working? But the point is, like, we're giving all this credit to Tibs or people are giving us credit tips for turning the Knicks around.

[Alan]

Really?

[Michael]

It was Rose who turned it. Rose is the one who hired him. Rose is the one who.

[Alan]

Yeah, but lavelle. But Lavelle. But Lavelle. I'm jumping. I don't know. Respectfully, I don't care what Alan and Don think. It's a. It's a nice thought, what you're saying, but this isn't the time to give flowers because we don't know where this was going to go. If Rose is the reason it's working out. What if Rose wasn't the one who made this decision? Then this is a sign that things are changing the wrong way.

[Lavelle]

Right.

[Michael]

But this is just what I want to say.

[Alan]

Okay?

[Michael]

Nobody's perfect. I think the one misstep with roses, he couldn't see through Tibbs flaws because they're friends, maybe. And sometimes as an owner, sometimes as an owner, you have to step in because there was times that we needed him to step in with Phil when Phil was here and he didn't step in.

[Alan]

But post Phil. It was supposed to be, I'm out. I hired a guy to do the operations. I am not.

[Michael]

I understand, but.

[Alan]

And by the way, that means. That would mean. That would mean even if Rose is too close to Tibs and he gives him a little bit too much leash, you got to go with that. That's the guy you brought in to do it.

[Don Hahn]

And I'm all for giving Rose flowers, and I think he deserves a lot of credit for where the team is right now. But he's got. They got to get this right. This higher right. So it's.

[Alan]

That's the scariest part.

[Don Hahn]

It's not just about their heroes for letting Tibs go. For all the anti Tibbs guys out there, they've got to follow it up by finding the coach. I've always going to get them there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I've always said, you want them out? Okay, you want him out? Who your placement getting that's going to take the next.

[Alan]

Alan. On the first day here, Alan said, you don't make a move like this unless you already have the hire.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan]

The scary part is, I'm not trying to be negative, Nancy. You know, I'm a brand new fervent Knicks fan.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan]

Bad news is a week into doesn't look like they did have the high.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or does it?

[Alan]

I. I'm just because like I said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The guy they want, there's a couple of guys that they're targeting. They all are working for other teams right now. And that's the part you got to get through. And the NBA probably is like, whatever you're doing, don't do it during the Finals.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, don't do it during the finals. But we are hearing reports Kid is as interested in the Knicks as the Knicks are in him. So they might be able to trade with Dallas. So please stay tuned. It's going to make for a very interesting summer. Dan Grass is coming up next. We'll do this all Again tomorrow at 3:00. Don Hahn and Rosenberg right here on 880, ESPN New York and the ESPN New York app.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.