Hour 4: Don's Trip & Last Call Crew

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: Don's Trip & The Last Call Crew

Date: January 16, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Outlet: ESPN New York

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Episode Overview

This hour dives into Don La Greca's upcoming NHL broadcasting road trip across Canada, lively caller debates over New York sports fandom and regional loyalties, NFL betting waves, and playful banter about host dynamics. The tone is classic DHR: quick-witted, self-deprecating, heavy on New York sports culture, and peppered with radio-family inside jokes.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Don's Canadian Road Trip Woes & Joys

Timestamps: [00:13]–[05:57]

• Don's Itinerary: Don describes an extensive Devils road trip: leaving Sunday for Calgary, games in Calgary, Vancouver, and Seattle, with significant downtime due to one of the games being on ESPN (and therefore not on his broadcast schedule).
• Travel Logistics:
  • Flight schedule: “Fly with the team to Calgary” [01:44]
  • “Four, four and a half, something like that” flight length [01:53]
  • Off days: “Wednesday, Thursday off in Vancouver” [02:41]
  • Trip total: About a full week away [03:08]
• Family & Emotional toll:
  • Impact: “I'll miss him, but we'll see each other on FaceTime and all that.” [03:28]
  • On downtime: “It's just frustrating...if I had the technology, after the Flame game, I'd beam myself home.” [03:41–04:00]
• The Host’s Perspective:
  • Alan frames the ‘problem’ as a silver lining: “Isn't there a part of you that, on those days with nothing to do but the radio show, you can just, like, chill out?” [04:11]
  • Don objects, in classic style: “It's going to be pure hell.” [04:39]
  • Peter agrees with the struggle: “Good for you, man. I get it. It's tough, dude.” [04:52]
• Comic Relief:
  • Don: “You can feel death out there.” [05:24, on Canadian cold]
  • Hosts joke about commercial flights: “He checked for as many commercial flights...there's nothing available.” [05:29–05:36]

Notable Quote:
“Every second that I'm in Vancouver drinking my smoky old fashion, right, and having a steak, like a gentleman, I will be wishing that you could be home having Mac and Cheese and helping the kids.”
— Don La Greca [04:41]

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2. The New Commanders Stadium Renderings

Timestamps: [05:57]–[06:44]

• Reaction to design: “It looks like a monument...like the way it sits in front of the city looks incredible.” — Alan [06:09]
• Located “at the site of where RFK was.” [06:14]
• Hopes it “puts MetLife to shame.” [06:32]
• “If that place feels like MetLife Stadium, I will have seen enough.” — Alan [06:39]

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3. The New Jersey/New York State Road Sign Phenomenon

Timestamps: [09:54]–[11:19]

• Caller Mateo (NJ):
  • Praises “driving in New Jersey" and describes always seeing signs pointing to New York, even nationwide.
  • “I've been to 49 states in the Union...and it never fails, everywhere you go, there’s a sign pointed to New York." [10:26]
• Hosts appreciate the “comfort” of being oriented toward home wherever on the road.
• “That's why they hate us, because there are signs.” — Alan [11:19]

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4. Caller Segment: NFL Regional Fandom & Frauds

Timestamps: [11:42]–[15:12], [24:04]–[26:13]

• Caller Andrew (Long Beach):
  • Flags students who return home from college in Buffalo now self-identifying as Bills fans as ‘frauds’.
  • “I personally believe this is fraudulence...that they come home as Bills fans.” [11:53]
• Don’s Ruling:
  • “If you're a Jet or Giant fan and go to Buffalo to school to come back a Bills fan, you're a fraud.” [12:46]
  • Debunks the “only team in New York” excuse; Buffalo is not the same as New York City/metro.
    • “Buffalo might be in the state of New York, but it is not local.” [12:47]
    • “When you go to Buffalo, you go to a Sabers game...they play both the American and Canadian national anthem. How can you be a local team if you're so close to Canada?” [13:24]
• Playful debate:
  • Frauds for “quitting a team” vs. “joining another team” distinction. [14:46]

Notable Quote:
“Can we stop? ...If you’re a Giant fan, you go to Buffalo to school, come back, you’re a Bills fan. You’re a fraud.”
— Don La Greca [13:49]

• Where Is “Upstate New York,” Actually?
  • Caller “Chris in the car” and hosts debate the upstate/downstate dividing line. [24:04–26:13]
    • Chris: “Buffalo is upstate New York...It’s like Narnia. It’s a foreign land.” [24:30]
    • Don: “Westchester’s not upstate. Buffalo’s upstate.” [24:44]
    • Alan: “You could make the argument past Westchester.” [25:31]
    • Don sees “north of Albany” as the real upstate. [26:02]

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5. NFL Betting Trends & “Fraud Friday”

Timestamps: [17:34]–[21:34]

• Caller Danny (Long Island):
  • NFL coaching rumors (John Harbaugh–Giants)
  • Story about NFL playoffs betting: “There were 640 combinations of three-team teases you could have bet last Saturday and Sunday, and every single one of them won. DraftKings...took a beating.” [19:00]
• Hosts dissect:
  • The “parlay problem” and betting trends ("what stinks the most? Will the public go Buffalo?") [20:16]
  • “Public probably loves Buffalo again. ...No, that’s how the public thinks.” — Alan [20:16]
  • “I know, but now it makes me feel stupid because I've been on the Bears all week.” — Alan [21:34]

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6. Station Dynamics & On-Air “Snapping”

Timestamps: [21:55]–[23:48]

• Caller Brad (Montclair):
  • Observes Peter’s ability to make colleagues snap on air, theorizes that it's due to “subtle belittling.” [21:59]
• Peter responds:
  • “I do not believe I belittle Griffin. I just treat Griffin as an equal...In the case of Tessa, I don't think I belittle Tessa. I think, frankly, I humor her.” [23:05]

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7. Lighthearted Closer: The “Rex” Rabbit Hole

Timestamps: [26:52]–[27:05]

• Quick tangent about how many “Rexes” exist in sports and pop culture.
  • “Rex Walters. Rex Reed. Rex Ryan. Rex Mondo.” — Alan and Don [26:58–27:03]

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Memorable Quotes

• On Road Life:
  • “It's going to be pure hell.” — Don [04:39]
• On Regional Loyalty:
  • “If you're a Giant fan. You go to Buffalo to school, come back, you're a Bills fan, you're a fraud.” — Don [13:53]
• Geographic Identity:
  • “Buffalo is upstate New York. It's like Narnia. It's a foreign land.” — Chris, caller [24:30]
• On the New Stadium:
  • “It looks like a monument.” — Alan [06:09]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:13] – Don's trip preview and logistics
• [01:20] – Don’s thoughts on time away from family
• [03:28] – Alan & Don examine emotional side of road travel
• [05:57] – Stadium design discussion
• [09:54] – Mateo on road signage and NY identity
• [11:42] – Andrew on “fraudulent” NFL fandom
• [13:24] – Don on Buffalo’s proximity to Canada
• [17:34] – NFL betting recap/caller Danny
• [21:55] – Brad on Peter’s radio style
• [24:04] – “Where is upstate New York?” debate

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Tone & Energy

Jovial, deeply New York, irreverent but affectionate toward the hosts’ own quirks and those of their passionate listeners. Heavy banter, but a willingness to honestly explore the emotional tugs of family, fandom, and professional travel.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a quintessential sample of what makes the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg show beloved in the NY sports scene—insider energy, fan debates taken seriously-but-playingly, personal confessions woven between sports hot takes, and a warm, self-critical humor. You’ll walk away feeling like you just hung out in the back of a New York bar, at once in on the jokes and invested in the endless local debates.

Transcript

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Fall, getting ready for the next season when John Harbaugh's side on the sidelines at MetLife Stadium as a Giants head coach.

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That's right. But you know what? As much as I'm looking forward to that day, I want to, I want to enjoy the spring. Let's just summer a little.

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As you should.

[C]

Exactly.

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Before it all goes away because it's going to get cold again. Single digits they're talking about this week. Although doesn't matter to me. I'm sure it's going to be cold in Calgary when I leave on Sunday.

[A]

Wait, so take us through your. Take us through your trip. Take us through the trip.

[B]

Well, this is a frustrating trip because it's a four game road trip, but one of the games on Tuesday is an ESPN game. So I'm going to be spending like four days doing nothing other than this show 3,000 miles away from home and working three games Monday, Calgary.

[A]

Get me all the way through Sunday.

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Sunday will leave.

[A]

What time?

[B]

Probably mid afternoon. We haven't gotten the time. Yeah, of course. Fly with a team to Calgary, Right.

[C]

Yeah.

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What's that about a five hour joint?

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Four, four and a half, something like that.

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Don Alan, you know. Is it because he used to cover.

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Yeah.

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Hockey.

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As a writer.

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Yeah.

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Well, I didn't know.

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We'Re gonna have a show on Martin Luther King Day.

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That's right.

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A 90 minute from 3 to 4:30.

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That's right. Because we.

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So I'll do that. And then I got the game.

[A]

But Don's thrilled by the way. Oh no, that's the day you have the game.

[C]

Of course you have a game of regular time.

[B]

Regular time.

[C]

Because I'm gonna play at 5 that day, which is why we only.

[B]

And it'll be a 9 o' clock start for the Devils in Calgary. Oh, so why after the game to Edmonton?

[C]

Nice, right?

[B]

I do the show for my hotel room and then I'll just go to the Devils and Oilers game because it's on espn so I won't be doing that game.

[A]

But you're going to go.

[B]

But I'll be.

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Because you have nothing to do after the.

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We got to go fly to Vancouver and then of all the place, Wednesday, Thursday off in Vancouver. Friday is the Canuck game, by the way.

[C]

By the way, great place of places to have your days off. So you're in Edmonton for basically like what, 30 hours?

[B]

Yeah, about 30 hours.

[C]

Yeah. That's not bad.

[B]

And then after the game on Friday in Vancouver, we fly to Seattle. Off day, Saturday day, game Sunday in Seattle. After the game we fly home.

[A]

So you're a full week?

[B]

Yes.

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He gone.

[A]

Are you. Where are you at mentally with it? Like at this stage in life? Do you dread it?

[B]

No, no, I look forward to it because I like those. I like Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver.

[A]

I'm going to Seattle, but because of the kids. Like do you get antsy before you go?

[B]

We'll go out to dinner Friday. I get to spend some time with him Saturday because I got a game Saturday at the Rock. I'll miss him, but we'll see each other on FaceTime and all that. It's quick and I'm. But it's just frustrating. And again, this is the first world.

[A]

Problem that I'm living your dream, calling the Devil's game. But also go ahead.

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But for the days I'm not doing anything. Like if I can be myself back like after the. I don't. I'm not doing the game in Edmonton. If we had the technology after the Flame game, I'd be myself home. I'd be home Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

[A]

Well, here's.

[B]

Let me go to Vancouver, go back home Saturday and go to jail. But you can't do that.

[C]

You can't do a little commercial like just fly home.

[A]

Sure, he could fly back, but he's.

[C]

Full of a couple of days he's full.

[A]

He doesn't want to do that. He wants to live his charter life. And here's the part I want to push back on Don rather than think of it that way. You've been going hard, burning the candle at both ends. The kids are at an age where when you're home with them, it's constant work and conversation and Activities. And isn't there a part of you that on those days with nothing to do but the radio show, you can just like, just chill out?

[C]

Nope. Don't. Oh, don't, don't. We don't discuss this.

[A]

So real quick, he should say that he's going to be.

[B]

It's going to be pure hell.

[A]

It's going to be pure hell.

[B]

So you were saying, every second that I'm in Vancouver drinking my smoky old fat. Right. And having a steak.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like a gentleman. I will be wishing that you could.

[A]

Be helping Nancy and just want to.

[C]

Be home having Mac and cheese and helping the kids.

[A]

Yeah. Good for you, man. I get it. It's tough, dude.

[C]

That's tough, emotionally.

[B]

So pray for me while I'm out there.

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Yeah. The couple of days, sit around, have a beverage. Calling some hockey games, looking out my.

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Hotel window and seeing those beautiful Vancouver. Those seaplanes landing on the water.

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Some sushi.

[C]

Peter, we don't. We don't discuss this kind of business openly.

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No.

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So it's all bad.

[C]

All bad.

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You just got to get home, all of it, as soon as you can get home.

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I don't know if you realize in Calgary and Edmonton, they don't put the heat on. I'm in an igloo.

[C]

Igloo, Right. Penguins, almost.

[B]

You can feel death out there.

[A]

Well, listen, good luck, man.

[B]

Wish me luck on this.

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And I saw you earlier because. Alan, you brought this up. I saw Don. He was on Expedia. He checked for as many commercial flights.

[C]

There's nothing available.

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Nothing available coming home.

[C]

At least not direct.

[A]

Not direct.

[C]

Problem is he'd have to fly through Minnesota and then. And what if he's late getting back now? He was in trouble with his company, so. You can't do that.

[B]

No.

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You got to stay out there. And it's uncertain.

[C]

Listen, we wish. The good thing is we have FaceTime.

[B]

Thank. Yes, do that.

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Hey, I've made it. I've made it. Three and a half hours. I'd like to say this.

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Yes.

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Did you guys see the. The imaging they put up for the new commie stadium?

[C]

It's pretty nice.

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Yeah. No, I think it looks. Come on.

[A]

It looks like.

[C]

Really feels Washington.

[A]

It feels. It looks like a monument. Kind of.

[B]

Yeah.

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Like the way it sits in front of the city looks incredible.

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And it will be at the site of where RFK was.

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I think so.

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I believe that's what the plan was.

[A]

And if they can, like, get it to feel on the inside, like Minnesota with the look that they have of it. Right.

[B]

Now listen. Well, I could. I could tell you what they'll do. Guarantee it'll put MetLife to shame.

[A]

Well, that is, if it doesn't, I'm out. If that place feels like MetLife Stadium, I will have seen enough.

[B]

Right? You'll choose another NFL team.

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Mateo in New Jersey. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, man?

[E]

First off, happy birthday to Maya.

[A]

Thank you, buddy.

[E]

Amazing thing.

[A]

First.

[E]

First birthday. And Don is right. There's nothing like driving in New Jersey. Everywhere you go, it points to where you want to go. You see, you look up. Oh, okay. I know where I'm going. The craziest part of driving, though, because when I was in law school, all I did every summer was follow the band, fish around the whole entire country.

[C]

My goodness.

[E]

I've been to 49 states in the union. I've been to every state in the continental United States except for one, North Dakota. No reason to go there.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

And it never fails. Everywhere you go, there's a sign pointed to New York. It doesn't matter where you are.

[C]

That's true.

[E]

You could be in Bumblef California, and it's just. You'll find a sign pointing to New York.

[C]

There's always one.

[E]

You could be always one. You could be in the southmost point of Florida. You turn around, there's a sign pointing to New York. That's how you know we live in the center of the world.

[B]

It is crazy because you know, being around and you've traveled that there is something comforting as far as a way you are to know that there are people that care where New York is.

[A]

Yeah. It makes you feel close to home.

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Yeah.

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That's why they hate us, because there are signs.

[C]

They're just so sick of it.

[A]

Who cares where it is?

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Because there are people that look at that sign and go, I know exactly where not to go. I'm not gonna go in that direction. Cause they hate it so much. But you know what? That's their problem.

[A]

I mean, listen, I get it depends on the day. Yeah, well, some days there's no place I'd rather be. Other days I go, what are we doing?

[B]

Andrew Long Beach. You're on espn.

[A]

Oh, I love Andrew Long Beach. What's up, buddy?

[E]

How are you guys doing? So, Don, I have a little precursor to Fraud Friday on this Thursday, if I may.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

So I've noticed a troubling. I'm a Jets fan, full disclosure. But I've noticed a troubling trend around the Long island area. I'm sure throughout the Tri State, where kids will grow up either a Jets or Giants fan or a fan of whomever, really. Then they go to college in Buffalo at ub, Buffalo State, wherever, and then they come home as Bill fans. I personally believe this is fraudulence as the Bills. They're not a college team, they're an NFL team. So I would like a blanket ruling from Judge Lagrega.

[B]

So you think that these people that live in New York, around the city, Long island, wherever, and then they go to Buffalo to school, and now they think they could be a Bills fan and kind of cop it as I'm a fan of a local team. Because obviously you're a fraud. If you're a Jet or Giant fan and go to Buffalo to school to come back a Bills fan, you're a fraud.

[A]

Confirmed.

[B]

But what I also think is fraudulent is when you start to claim all their local team, they're the only team in New York. Why can't I root for the Bills? The jets and Giants play in New Jersey. I think that's fraudulent, too. Because Buffalo might be in the state of New York, but it is not local. And you know, I know that because.

[A]

The Toronto police congratulated the Buffalo Bills.

[B]

I'm making the playoffs and winning a playoff game. That's right, the Toronto Maple Leafs, because they're closer to Toronto than they are New York City. Way closer.

[C]

What did Buffalo do to the Blue Jays?

[B]

Same thing.

[C]

Congratulated them.

[B]

And also when you go to Buffalo, you go to a Sabers game. Devil's Sabers. I was there. Black Friday, when you go to a Buffalo Sabres game, they play both the American and Canadian national anthem. How can you be a local team if you're so close to Canada? You got to play the anthem. So can we stop? I'm not sure the caller wanted to go there.

[A]

Because you're obviously a fraud.

[B]

If you're a Giant fan. You go to Buffalo to school, come back, you're a Bills fan.

[A]

You're a fraud.

[C]

Well, that's your kid.

[B]

But I do think some of those people feel like I can do that because I'm still rooting for the local team that the Giants and Jets betrayed New York by going to New Jersey. So now I'm going to counter by Rudy. Oh, or they're there. How come you didn't do that when the Bills were winning three games?

[C]

Or they're there, it's in the fall, and you go, oh, this is the NFL. You're a Jets fan.

[B]

Well, hopefully the Giants.

[C]

And then you go up there and go, oh, oh.

[A]

You know what I realized?

[C]

My dad told me was like this. Yeah. Because look, the jets have done this to themselves.

[B]

True.

[C]

I almost feel like there's some fraud when it comes to jets fans that might need to be pardoned. They've done this to themselves.

[A]

Oh yeah, freaking franchise.

[B]

But it doesn't make a fraud just because it's easier to cut ties.

[A]

Well, again, remember, Don doesn't call fraud for quitting a team. He calls fraud for joining another team.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

But then I get extra angry when they try to claim that they were sticking with a local team. Well, that's.

[A]

No, no, that's just stupid. Now we've entered stupid. Well, but there's a lot of people.

[B]

That think the Bills are local.

[A]

Well, there's a lot of stupid.

[B]

I want to fight that.

[C]

We've entered stupid like it's an exit.

[B]

Sign stupid as left on Fair lawn stupid.

[A]

It's all right there.

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[E]

Oh well, what a what a week in the NFL. You know, I thought that John Harwell was going to come to the Giants because they have a great, possibly great quarterback proximity to his present team. They're not developed his whole family good organization. But now I read an article where it was the dinner. I just read an article detailing right down to the at the sizes and the main courses what pushed John harbor apparently over the edge.

[B]

Unless I heard me and o', Connor, I don't believe I believe it.

[E]

Well, I could tell you it was three options. Fish, steak or chicken. What do you think? Harbor went with Harbaugh, Chris, Chris, Mara and Dog went with fish as did Mara and Joe. Shane went over a power move, went with the with the prime ribbon.

[B]

I think that's the only thing to do right although I'm not a big prime rib guy, but I would have gotten a steak.

[E]

Depends how the fish is prepared. But happy birthday Mayor by the way and happy day to all the Giant fans. Except Tessa who came in a little hot, a little heavy, felt after my boy Peter Rosenberg over there. Now, as the Bible says, he, he was without fault, cast his first stone. Now, we know I've had some bits that went awry, and Peter was gracious enough to allow me to continue on to the show. So I, I think you've experienced that.

[A]

While I can be a little bit, you know, on edge, I'm down to scrap and be reasonable. I, I just like can't get talked over and shouted down.

[E]

It reeked of personal, but whatever. So anyway, you know, it's funny, you guys are talking about the street losing big time and the betting thing last week. You know, if you have ever heard of a 10 point teaser, you take three teams and you can move the spread. 10 points in each three games. You got to win all three. There were 640 combinations of three team teases you could have bet last Saturday and Sunday, and every single one of them won draftkings and whatever fan took a beating.

[A]

Oh, that's. That's another interesting twist. So not only did the public bet with the right teams, but the. Well, fanduels are great, obviously.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

But I'm referring to other companies when I say whatever fakocta parlays that they give you as an option. Those all hit too.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's killer.

[A]

So I, you know, do you wonder, like, what are the inside meetings like when, like we're deciding what the parlay should be? We want them to be tempting enough that people want to do it, but not that they're all gonna hit.

[B]

Right. So now can't want that. How do they get their money back this week? How are they gonna try to. I told you, don't switch the system.

[A]

Don. It's. When we look at these games, when you look at the games on the schedule, what stinks the most? Will the public go? Buffalo. Because the line's so short and it's Josh Allen and he's the sexy guy because remember they went with Buffalo last week. That was my one. The one that I got wrong is the same one the public got wrong. I went with Jacksonville. Public loved Buffalo. Public probably loves Buffalo again in Denver. They're not riding with Bo Nix over Josh Allen. No, that's how the public thinks. Right. I can give you some information if you want me. Go ahead. I'd love that. Right now I could look at percentage of bets, not necessarily money on one website. Percentage of bets, 63% are on the bills. Yeah, there you go. That's 76% of bets are on the Niners at +7, thinking the way that you are of how could this line be big. Thank you.

[B]

And what about the bears?

[A]

The bears. 66% is on plus four for the bears.

[C]

And then 64% is on the Texans plus three, because.

[A]

Oh, wow, 64% on the Texas. That's bets, not money. But that's still. That's important, though.

[B]

That's still a poll, because I think people are waiting for this balloon to pop in New England. And also with the Bears. You know how popular the Bears are compared to the Rams, and that is a big number. And they are at home.

[A]

I know, but now it makes me feel stupid because I've been on the Bears all week.

[B]

That's a very public comment.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

The Rams.

[A]

They are the Rams.

[B]

Wow. That's pretty interesting.

[A]

I mean, guys, we look up in the Rams. The Rams cruise to a Super Bowl.

[B]

Vegas.

[A]

Are any of us shocked?

[C]

No.

[A]

No one shocked.

[C]

Now, tomorrow's big day for the picks.

[A]

Oh, huge. Could be the end of me. I'm hanging on by a threat. All right, get just more calls. Sorry, we run out of time. Pack lines.

[B]

Brad in Montclair. You're on ESPN New York.

[E]

Hey, what's up, guys? Hey. I just wanted to quickly comment on Peter driving both Griffin and Tessa to snap in the span of a couple weeks. And I've got a little theory as to what might be a play there. I did want to call in when Griffin snapped because I made Griffin snap.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Remember when he went.

[E]

What, Peter?

[A]

What did you mean that. Okay. All right, keep going. Yeah.

[E]

It spoke volumes, though, because it was like the scene in what's the Edward Norton movie where he's like the. The Altar Boy, the whole movie with Richard Gere, and at the end, the killer comes launching out of him.

[A]

It was.

[E]

It was like that. But as far as. My theory is that both with Tessa and Griffin, that everyone else on the station, like, plays it pretty straight with them, takes it at face value, but Peter's always got, like, a little something under the surface, like little subtle belittling. And just over the course of years, they both snapped. And I wanted to get Peter's thoughts on that theory.

[B]

Interesting theory. Thank you, Brad.

[A]

It's not an unreasonable theory. I do not believe I belittle Griffin. I just treat Griffin as an equal.

[E]

No, no, no, no, no.

[A]

Griffin tells me he's going to doctor. I'm like, are we getting it popping doctor? What's happening? All right. I don't treat Griffin like a child. He's not college age. Boy. I talk to him like a man. In the case of Tessa, I don't think I belittle Tessa. I think, frankly, I humor her. Constant dumping on me with regard to. The commanders handle it pretty nice for the most part. I've had a couple of moments where I've been, like, annoyed, but I don't. I listen. I've been wrong more than I've been right. I don't think I belittle Tessa. No, my thoughts.

[C]

I just. Like I said, today was just one of those moments.

[B]

Just one of those days. Let's go to Chris in the car.

[C]

Did you expect that?

[B]

No.

[C]

That's a strange pull.

[A]

That really was.

[B]

What's up, Chris?

[A]

Chris?

[E]

What's up, guys?

[A]

Hi.

[B]

Hey.

[E]

Just to.

[B]

Just to kind of further your point.

[E]

Don, about Buffalo not being a local team. You talk to people in and around New York City, Long island, you know, Westchester, Rockland, Yonkers, whatever. Buffalo is upstate New York. It's not part of. It's like Narnia. It's a foreign land.

[C]

Narnia. You're right, Chris. You know, Mike Breen fights all the time about when you say that Westchester or any of. Like, that's upstate. He disagrees.

[A]

And I'm like, westchester is not upstate.

[B]

Westchester's not upstate. Buffalo's upstate.

[C]

Like Yonah.

[B]

Barely. Barely Buffalo. I think he's right. I think we're the southern tip of. Of upstate New York, so we have.

[C]

To come up with the line of demarcation. Poughkeepsie, Yonker. You're going Poughkeepsie. Yeah, that's it. Stop there.

[B]

Yeah, because I'm not going to go.

[A]

And that's close still. People commute from Poughkeepsie. Like, it isn't like, 90 minutes.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. It's really at the southern tip of upstate New York. People do not understand how big New York is. And also, don't you think it's across.

[C]

The Tappan Z then? All right, now you're upstate.

[A]

I don't know how far up is. Happens here Again. What's the first thing out of the Tappan Zee?

[C]

Not that far.

[B]

The first thing out of Tappan Zee is like, you know, Sleepy Hollow.

[C]

So you still. That's too close.

[B]

Orange county is not upstate. Is not upstate.

[C]

It's close.

[A]

You could make the argument past Westchester.

[C]

That's kind of what I'm trying to.

[A]

Yeah, Westchester. Still New York. Because I want to know past Westchester.

[B]

Oh, that's why I think Poughkeepsie, because that's like the last major city.

[C]

Because there are a lot of Giants fans in Albany. For obvious reason. They used to train up there.

[B]

Right. Albany's.

[C]

I guess Albany's kind of in between, isn't it? You're kind of in the middle now. Now you're. You know.

[B]

All I know is that whenever I would go to Montreal. Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I would always feel like when I left from North Jersey, growing up in Hawthorne, I always thought Albany was, like, the halfway point to Montreal.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

So I'm. I looked at myself as halfway through New York. So anything north of Albany would be considered upstate. Anything south of Albany.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think that's fair.

[C]

No, that's what I was looking for.

[B]

I was like, you can't be living in, like, Japan and say, I'm in upstate New York.

[A]

Agree. Yeah.

[C]

Binghamton.

[B]

Well, Binghamton's what?

[A]

Oh, no. Oh, that was a big one.

[B]

Portland, Binghamton. And in Syracuse.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Like Binghamton.

[C]

Something like that. Right?

[B]

Yeah, but we used to. You used to go to Courtland with us, right, Peter? You were on the show then. Sure.

[C]

For Jets.

[A]

That's.

[B]

That's far. Yeah.

[C]

You have four, plus.

[B]

You still got so much more New York above.

[A]

I don't think I was around for that. For Coral.

[B]

For the. For the jets, it was.

[A]

How far? Predatesville.

[C]

That had to be before.

[B]

I miss sexy Ronnie James Dio from. We just mentioned another Rex.

[A]

How many Rexes are we going to.

[B]

It is pretty cool.

[A]

Rex Walters.

[B]

Very.

[A]

Rex Reed. Rex Ryan. Rex Mondo.

[B]

What?

[C]

Rex comes up tomorrow.

[A]

So that's why you got to turn.

[B]

All right. And Internet Butler coming up next. We'll talk to you again tomorrow.

[A]

Happy birthday, Maya.

[B]

Happy birthday, Maya.

[A]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the.

[C]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.

[A]

Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app.

[D]

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