Hour 4: Giants & Ice Picks

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Hour 4: Giants & Ice Picks
Release Date: February 28, 2025

In this engaging fourth hour of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast, hosts Don Hahn, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve deep into the tumultuous state of the New York Giants, the broader implications for the NFL Draft, fan frustrations, and the intersection of sports and cinema. The conversation seamlessly weaves through critical analyses, personal anecdotes, and passionate debates, providing listeners with a comprehensive overview of the current sports landscape.

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1. NFL Draft Drama: The Abdul Carter Story

The episode opens with an in-depth discussion about Abdul Carter, a highly touted draft prospect whose position has been jeopardized by a reported stress reaction in his right foot.

• Don Hahn (02:12): “One headline we didn't really mention yet today... Abdul Carter’s injury could significantly impact the draft.”

• Drew Rosenhaus (02:41): “He’s a talent, but does the potential need for surgery make you think twice about drafting him?”

The hosts explore how medical concerns can ripple through draft boards, comparing Carter’s situation to fluctuating stock markets where external factors can rapidly alter perceptions. They debate whether delaying surgery is a strategic move or a red flag for teams considering drafting him.

2. Giants' Struggles and Draft Implications

The conversation shifts to the Giants' performance and how ongoing issues may affect their draft strategy.

• Don Hahn (02:45): “Abdul Carter was supposed to be the guy for them. Does this deter teams from investing in the Giants' strategy?”

• Drew Rosenhaus (05:00): “If the Giants continue to struggle, it could lead to a loss of a generation of fans.”

The hosts analyze the Giants' potential lack of a long-term vision, highlighting frequent management and coaching turnovers as impediments to sustained success. They express concern over the team's inability to demonstrate progress, which may alienate a loyal fan base.

3. The Tanking Debate: Short-Term Cycles vs. Long-Term Vision

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the contentious topic of team tanking—deliberately underperforming to secure higher draft picks.

• Esther (08:01): “Bad teams have short-term cycles and can’t maintain a long-term vision... fans want their team to lose for the wrong reasons.”

• Drew Rosenhaus (09:21): “There’s no evidence that intentional tanking leads to a winning team. Look at the Chiefs or the Yankees—consistent building, not deliberate losing.”

• Don Hahn (19:32): “When teams like the Giants and Jets continue to be bad, they erode their fan base, leading to a potential crisis in confidence.”

The trio debates the efficacy of tanking, citing examples from other sports franchises like the Philadelphia 76ers and the Houston Astros. They argue that smart drafting and development, rather than intentional losing, are more sustainable paths to success. The discussion emphasizes the emotional toll on fans who invest years into supporting a consistently underperforming team.

4. Fan Frustration and the Future of Giants' Fandom

The hosts address the growing disillusionment among Giants fans and the potential consequences for the franchise.

• Drew Rosenhaus (14:02): “Seeing the embarrassment and dysfunction is heartbreaking. It can ruin the team's brand.”

• Don Hahn (19:37): “Players calling the owner one of the worst in sports creates a crisis in confidence for fans.”

They lament the dwindling fan base, citing increased support for other teams in New York and the possibility of alienating younger generations. The conversation touches on how poor management and continuous losing can lead to fans abandoning their allegiance, drawing parallels to historical shifts in fan support towards more successful franchises.

5. Sports Movies: Reflections and Recommendations

Shifting gears, the hosts engage in a nostalgic discussion about beloved sports movies, sharing personal favorites and memorable quotes.

• Drew Rosenhaus (37:07): “Any given Sunday has the best sports speech by Al Pacino.”

• Don Hahn (38:07): “The scene where Herb Brooks calls out the players... That was incredible.”

They highlight classics like Hoosiers, Rudy, Remember the Titans, and He Got Game, analyzing their impact on sports culture and personal inspiration. Listeners contribute their favorite sports films, fostering a shared appreciation for how cinema captures the essence of athletic struggles and triumphs.

6. Listener Calls: Personal Stories and Movie Insights

Throughout the episode, several listeners call in to share their thoughts, contributing to the dynamic conversation.

• Esther (07:38): Discusses the cyclical struggles of the Jets and Giants, emphasizing the lack of discipline and long-term planning.

• Adam (26:50): Expresses excitement for St. John's potential in college basketball, praising Coach Pitino's leadership and the team's defensive prowess.

• Richard (42:35): Shares a cherished sports memory related to Lorenzo Charles and the 1983 Cricket World Cup, underscoring the emotional connections fans have with pivotal sports moments.

These interactions enrich the episode, providing diverse perspectives and personal connections that resonate with the audience.

7. Conclusion: The Road Ahead for the Giants

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the Giants' current predicament and the imperative for organizational change.

• Don Hahn (22:38): “Any fan dealing with the Giants as bad as they have been just wants evidence that it’s heading in the right direction.”

• Peter Rosenberg (15:19): “You can’t throw away years of a team. It’s not sustainable.”

The discussion underscores the necessity for the Giants to demonstrate tangible progress to retain fan loyalty and rebuild their legacy. The hosts call for strategic management and a cohesive vision to navigate the challenges ahead, emphasizing that without meaningful change, the franchise risks further decline.

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Notable Quotes:

• Don Hahn (02:12): “This is going to have to be addressed at some point. He doesn't try surgery... it could be too soon.”

• Drew Rosenhaus (05:00): “I just think for people like myself that lived and died with this team my whole life... it can ruin a brand.”

• Esther (08:53): “The only kind of fans that want their team to be so bad are fans of teams that are so bad.”

• Don Hahn (19:37): “Players calling the owner one of the worst in sports creates a crisis in confidence for fans.”

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Final Thoughts: In "Hour 4: Giants & Ice Picks," Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg offer a compelling analysis of the New York Giants' struggles, the flawed concept of team tanking, and the broader implications for fan engagement and team legacy. Their passionate discourse, enriched by listener contributions and reflective of personal experiences, provides listeners with a nuanced understanding of the sports world’s complexities.

Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Drew Rosenhaus]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Drew Rosenhaus]

This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.

[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Drew Rosenhaus]

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[Don Hahn]

It's so good. This has been. This has been a day.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

This is 32nd, right? Kill you. Kill me.

[Rosenberg]

That was. We didn't. That was fantastic. Out of nowhere.

[Don Hahn]

It really was. But the best stuff usually does come from out of nowhere. Right?

[Rosenberg]

That's what I prefer.

[Don Hahn]

One headline we didn't really mention yet today, but, you know, is something certainly to watch, is out of the draft, this story involving Abdul Carter, who some people thought could go number one. And then all of a sudden, medicals come out about a stress reaction in his right foot that he might need surgery. And now, you know, that's affecting the draft. You know, everybody then starts getting worried and nervous and, you know, would he plummet? But then the story from Adam Schefter. After undergoing further scans on his foot, Carter will work out at Penn State's pro day later this month or March 20th, I should say next month. And now this is Drew Rosenhaus, who is his agent, telling ESPN they consider the stress reaction to be a, quote, non factor in Carter's draft stock and that doctors are saying he doesn't really need surgery, that he'd be better off just letting it heal.

[Rosenberg]

Hmm.

[Don Hahn]

So you know how these injury stories happen in a draft, and suddenly things change. And now a guy that might have gone one or two, which could affect the rest of the draft, and who's on the board and who's available for you when you're picking third or seventh, it could change everything. So this is a wild story that. Yeah, they're just talking about right now on SportsCenter. But it's just amazing how something like this happens. And it's almost like when you have stocks and then a story comes out about a company and then it's refuted.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

The stock is still going to drop. It's still going to tank. He's a talent.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Yeah, he's a talent. But it doesn't. It feel like this is going to have to be addressed at some point. He doesn't try surgery. Now, I heard Rick talking about this in this morning. Now, because they might put a pin in to try to. But he does. It's not bad enough now for them to do that, but if at some point they're going to have to do it, does that make you think twice about taking him? Because this might be an issue. I don't know. There's people that know the surgery and the length of time it is to recover from that. But a league that looks over everything with a fine tooth comb, especially somebody drafted as high as him, could be a big thing. Now, I saw this Vincent Bossignori, who covers the Raiders in Vegas.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

I guess there was some talk that the Raiders might be accused of wrongdoing. Tampering with Matthew Stafford.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, the Brady Stafford thing. That's why there was a fight between Rappaport and Schultz.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

He tweeted the latest on the NFL absolving the Raiders of any wrongdoing in pursuit of Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford and why they are the front runners for the veteran quarterback. He writes an article about that and then Ryan Dunleavy, he tweeted out. This is significant. Reports say the Raiders and Rams have found quote, unquote common ground on their contract terms for Matthew Stafford. So now it's up to the Rams if they want up their offer or work out trade compensation. Hello. So that sounds like he either stays with the Rams or goes to the Raiders. So it looks like this Stafford thing is off the table for the Giants. For the Giants. That's what it sounds like.

[Don Hahn]

And you take the Raiders out of the equation for a quarterback in the draft, opens the door for the jets, opens it right there potentially to get Shador Sanders, which is what Mel Kuiper.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

So in effect, the jets are drafting fourth. Right. Because five and six, they're not going to go with a quarterback. Right. Because that's what Patriots, Jaguars, and then you would have the Raiders at 6.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

If the Raiders have their quarterback, well, then, all right, can, can.

[Don Hahn]

Is there a chance something like that?

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Is there a chance that now he could be there? But still there's. There's three teams that need quarterbacks at the top of the draft.

[Don Hahn]

But the Browns take Ward, which is what was suggested in the most recent mock. Then all that's left is Sanders for the Giants at three.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

And we're 100% positive the Titans are not taking a quarterback. I know all the mocks said that.

[Don Hahn]

But we know Abdul Carter was supposed to be the guy for them. Yeah, it could be. But does this. It's just very strange wording here, too, from Shefty. Doctors have advised Abdul Carter against having foot surgery. Like, when would you advise to.

[Rosenberg]

Not because of the kind of injury.

[Don Hahn]

That he doesn't need surgery.

[Rosenberg]

What I don't like about that, I'd almost rather have the surgery. Well, I hate when it's just hanging out there.

[Don Hahn]

It wouldn't be a good thing.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Rick brought this up this morning, and he knows a thing or two about surgeries. It's a preemptive surgery, and if it's not injured enough yet, then maybe the surgery could be too soon. Like, you don't. You don't want. You never want to have surgery when you don't have to, of course. And so if they look at the injury and go, I think you can go a couple of years without having to need this surgery, so why have it early? So I understand what you're saying. Get it out of the way if I'm gonna have to have it. But if they think, hey, you might be able to play on this for two, three years before you'd have to have this preemptive surgery, I would rather you wait. So maybe it's like that. Cause it's not something that has to be corrected right now. It's something that he's gonna have to address. But if it's not right away. But still, if I'm drafting a guy first overall.

[Don Hahn]

What do they always say about the draft process with rookies, It's. This is the. You don't get a break here. This is exhausting. You get drafted, and then immediately you're in a minicamp, and then like, you. Maybe you get two or three days and now you're back for OTAs, and then you get a little bit of time, and then you're back for training camp. The rookies always say your first year is the most exhausting one because you really. College season ends, then you prepare for combine and pro days, and then it's just a constant Mike Hamster wheel all the way into your first season. If he's got a foot that needs to heal, how's he gonna do that now? He's not performing. He wasn't gonna Perform at the combine.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

He is gonna perform in a couple of weeks at his pro day and they expect him to be 100% for it. But that is. I don't know. It will be interesting to see if somebody has a little hesitation because it's an injury into the unknown.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

It'd make me think there's a slight imperfection there when I'm talking about a guy going first overall. And I'm going over everything from his Wonderlic test to how high he jumps at the comic. He's not in the combined.

[Don Hahn]

Isn't he an edge rusher? Right, so you're talking about. So he's got to have bend. He's got to have the ability to have speed and pressure. Like it's right on the foot.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

That's it.

[Don Hahn]

800 now. 193776. We have so many calls here we got to get to. And a lot of people been waiting a while, so. Esther. Esther. I'm sorry. Edison has been waiting a long time. Hi, how you doing?

[Esther]

Thanks for taking my call. I'm good. So, first of all, I'm a girl who lifts, so that is totally a thing. And my squat PR is actually 250, which I'm super proud of.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Wow, Nice.

[Rosenberg]

It's a great pr.

[Don Hahn]

How much you bench? How much you bench? How much you bench? No, I'm kidding. I'm just kidding.

[Esther]

Oh, I don't bench.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you shouldn't. Terrible for yourself, right?

[Esther]

Anyway, but I wanted to talk about like bad teams. So I'm a Jets fan. Or a masochist. That's also another word. And just thinking about like the draft and whatnot, I was thinking how like a lot of bad teams have like really short term cycles, like two to four year cycles. And I feel like with turnover that short term you literally cannot have a long term vision for your organization. So like with the jets and the Giants, a lot of management turnover, a lot of coaching turnover. And unfortunately the discipline and the discipline that they lack is the same discipline they need to get out of these cycles. So they're kind of just like on this merry go round, like going over and over and over. And I think another thing, like another telltale sign of bad football teams are fans who want to tank.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

I agree.

[Esther]

Like, the only kind of fans that want their team to be so bad are fans of teams that are so bad.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Esther]

So it's like instead of encouraging your team to win, being a good fan, hoping for the best, even though things are bad over and over again, wanting your team to be the worst has never been a strategy to become the best team. And there's no football team that we can point to where that has happened.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Thank you.

[Esther]

I want to know what you thought.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

You're preaching to the choir here. When did the Chiefs do it? When did the Philadelphia Eagles do it? Like, when did all these teams that this became the way. I know Philadelphia's trying to do it in the NBA and there's been examples of teams that have been God awful, like Washington get the quarterback and everything turns around. But we'll ignore the fact they change owners, ownership and general manager and their coaching staff. That had nothing to do with it. It was all just the one guy. You got to build a team that can win and you start to move forward from that, you just can't rely on that one draft pick. That's going to change everything.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Drew Rosenhaus]

It doesn't.

[Rosenberg]

You really won the day yesterday, Dom, when you pointed out at the end of the show, show me the teams where it worked. The intentional complete meltdown, rebuild process. Where, where do you look around and see that as the winning way to do it?

[Drew Rosenhaus]

You know, you want to say that Jacksonville, if they tank their way to Trevor Lawrence, well, has that been a panacea? Certainly they're better than they were, but I'm sorry, aren't they drafting top five this year?

[Rosenberg]

Exactly.

[Don Hahn]

They're still, by the way, new head.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Coach, new general manager, another head coach, another general manager turnover.

[Don Hahn]

And you have no coach because they.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Don'T know what they're doing right now. And so it doesn't matter. I want to know if they know what they're doing. And the way you do that is you start winning games and you start building and start moving in the right direction. And I can't do it, Guy. I'm 57 years old, right? Do I want to sit there and have my favorite football team be bad for two, three, four years? I tell you, by the time they got good, I don't know if I'd be that emotionally involved at that point. That's great. I'm just sit there. If I've been sitting there having nothing to watch for half a decade and all of a sudden the team finally gets the court. All of a sudden, now I'm going to just pique my interest. I lived and died with this team my entire life watching football, hoping that they're going to win games. Now I'm just going to throw years of my life that I don' have very many left in the hopes that maybe, just maybe they Stumble into a quarterback and everything will turn itself around? Or do I want to just make sure my organization knows what the heck it's doing and start to build like Philadelphia did, like Kansas City did, and put together some really good teams and start to win? Come on.

[Don Hahn]

Come on. Who is the franchise in the four of the four major sports that started this whole thing and made it romantic, almost made it exciting. It was literally, you want to do a sports movie. It was tin cup. Just keep hitting it into the water and eventually you're gonna get it on the green and then everybody will cheer even though you have no chance at winning. Like, that scene is so, to me, emblematic of sports today because it was just like the fascination of missing so many times and finally making it that it was exciting that you finally made it. But you don't realize that what you. What you just laid waste to any chance of winning. And so it's this, it's the Philadelphia 76ers, and it's that whole process, trust the process. That was something that they just celebrated. And then they would draft injured players and, ah, we're gonna wait. We're wait. Kick it down the road. So we're gonna be bad again next year, get another lottery pick. And it just kept becoming, we're gonna trade a good player and get more lottery picks and more draft picks. And it's. For some reason, people got caught up in the fantasy of it all and then waited for it. Wait, wait. So they're gonna have, like, all these great players, gonna be awesome. It never happened. And this. And by the way, the Seattle SuperSonics, who somehow wound up with KD, James Harden and Russell Westbrook, all lottery picks that all hit. That wasn't. Cause they were purposely tanking. They were really bad. They were a bad basketball team. They traded Ray Allen away because they were bad. They didn't need him anymore. The stuff that they did wasn't, hey, we're going to maneuver it and watch us. Watch us cook. It just was. They made three good picks. So then the Sixers tried it and failed miserably. And now you've had more than a decade of nothing but frustration, and they can't get out of the second round.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

And the conversation started. Peter will tell you about that. You know, the Giants beat the Redskins on the last day of the season. Daniel Jones threw five touchdown passes, including a touchdown in overtime. And it cost him Trae Young.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

All right. They cost him Chase Young. Which it didn't turn out, didn't pan out anyway. Nope. Whereas where is he now? In New Orleans. Like, he's on his third team. Yeah, right. So it was like, all right, last game of the season, maybe I root for my team to lose. So I get a drip. Better draft. It started there, which I never agreed with, but I guess I get. Now we're throwing whole seasons away. Now I'm hearing conversations. Oh, throw two seasons away so we can get Arch Manning. Oh, keep. Oh, well, then when we get Arch Manning, let's tank a third season so we can get them weapons.

[Rosenberg]

It's crazy.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

It's a bunch of kids that don't know what it is to suffer with a team, and they're young and they're like, oh, we'll throw half a decade away to get the championship. But I just think for people like myself that lived and died with this team my whole life, I just. And to see the embarrassment, really, that it's been. I know 20, 22, they won a playoff game, but really, since that last super bowl, two playoff appearances, one playoff win, and a lot of embarrassment and dysfunction in between, which can ruin a brand.

[Don Hahn]

Can I also mention the Houston Astros, who famously also did the same thing. You remember, right? And the famous Sports Illustrated cover that predicted them winning. They did it, but they completely went scorched earth and tried to build it. And it did turn into. You know, although they did cheat for that one, but still, it did turn into a win. There's also the story of the early 90s Yankees, when George Steinbacher was finally. Again, we all know it in New York. It's. It's. You know, he's taken away from the team. And Gene. Gene. Michael was allowed to just keep prospects and develop, and the next thing you know, you have a dynasty. So there's a historical, like, evidence that it can work, but it's not losing on purpose. It's just being smart with development and scouting.

[Rosenberg]

But that's not what happens.

[Don Hahn]

It's not lose on purpose. It's draft well, but develop well.

[Rosenberg]

That's not what the people are saying. They want to actually tank. That, to me, is the crazy part. And I know this is morose. This is incredibly dark. There are people out there, plenty of people, who are like, all right, I'm on board. This season's gonna be whatever. But they died. They never saw the next season.

[Don Hahn]

Never saw the next season.

[Rosenberg]

No, I'm being. I'm being literal. I know that sounds nuts. Nothing's guaranteed in this life.

[Don Hahn]

Nothing.

[Rosenberg]

You can't throw away three years that, whether you're 35 or 75. You don't know what you're gonna get. You can't throw away years of a team.

[Don Hahn]

Joel Embiid. They kept waiting and waiting and waiting. And he finally got good. He got mvp. And then what? Now his knees shot.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

And also call for what? Listen, I live in the New York area and I'm a Giants fan. You know, all these people, they want them to lose. But why? When? After the game? I'm not talking about the people that call. Like, they're mad that the team lost and they're booing the team and they're discussing, well, what's true if you won the tank, you should be cheering for every touchdown the other team scores. Instead, you're, like, disgusted with the team. I hate this team. This team is so God awful. Why are they so bad? You know, guys dressed in Giants uniforms at a restaurant or a bar after the game and their heads down depressed that their team stinks so bad. You don't do these things in a vacuum. People losing is a cancer that eats away at the team. It erodes the fan base. And Allen is right. Why do you think in New York you have so many Cowboy fans and Raider fans and Viking fans? I mean, it's amazing. There's bars all over New York City dedicated to other teams. Why? Because during the course of the 70s, the Giants and Jets were God awful. And people were like, I'm not rooting for them. I'm going to become a Dolphin fan. And now it's so easy to do because all I have to do is buy the Sunday ticket and watch any game I want to watch. You continue to be this bad for so long and now you're charging PSLs and the season ticket list has been cut in half to almost now nothing. Keep doing it, guys. And all of a sudden this proud Giants franchise is a joke also ran that nobody cares about. And if you don't think it can happen, it can happen. You don't get to sit there on your laurels of Lawrence Taylor and Phil Sims and Eli Manning and Justin Tuck and O.C. humanora forever. @ some point, the fans are gonna be like, yeah, you know what? I'm out. And then what do you do?

[Rosenberg]

I want a team like the Chiefs.

[Don Hahn]

You lose a whole generation of fans.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

You'Re going to lose a whole generation of fans. Like, I don't know if my son's gonna be a Giant fan. I hope he does. I watched the games on Sunday. But you know what? As he gets older, he's, hey, where I live in Central jersey. He goes to school with a bunch of Eagle fans.

[Rosenberg]

I would say, are you seeing, Are you seeing. Are you seeing giant skier on kids right now?

[Drew Rosenhaus]

I mean, if their father's a Giant fan, but honestly, if you're a kid of a certain age, what exactly are you excited about?

[Don Hahn]

They were wearing Saquon's jersey. You know, any kid you saw was 26. Yeah, yeah.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

But, you know, I just think that I saw it myself. I remember Tiki Barber asked me like, why is there so many cow. I did a show with him with. I was like, why are there so many Cowboy fans? And I said, you know, why there's so many Cowboy fans? Go back to 1977. Cowboys finally beat the Denver Broncos in the Super Bowl. The Giants and Jets were God awful back then. And everybody said, wow, look at the cheerleaders, look at the helmet. They won a Super Bowl. That's all it takes, man. So there's so much good football out there to watch and it's all available. Yeah, and I had no choice back in the day, you know, but people have choices now, man. And now they're not just going to sit there and watch their team begottle Jet fans too, man. It's become kind of a thing with the Jets. Losing that, I think has been almost like a Chicago Cub kind of level where it's kind of become part of your DNA and your culture. But I'm starting to see that, that, that gets old quick too, over time. You got to give them something at least. You did have little fits and starts with, with Rex going to the championship game back to back years. Right. They would go to the playoffs with Herman Edwards, they go to the playoffs with Mangini. There were times where you were proud of your franchise. Can you say you've been proud of the jets for a lot of 15 years. There's kids in high school that are embarrassed that their families are Jet fans and Giant fans. That's starting to happen, too. Don't sit down with the Giants. That'll never happen to us.

[Don Hahn]

And now you find out that the players think your owner is the worst in sports or one of the worst in sports if you're a Giants fan and that can't give you much more. Like that's a crisis in confidence in your team and what you root for. And it might make you say, what am I doing well, why am. Why am I investing in this team when the players even say, this guy's a terrible owner. It's the biggest market and the owners, two of the Worst owners in the sport. Like, you can't. And think about all the other sports we have here. You can't say that about all the other owners. Football teams have the worst owners in their sport like that. That's gotta be unacceptable.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Cohen spending a ton of money. Yankee fans aren't in love with sports.

[Don Hahn]

They don't love him, but he's not.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

He's a good owner, but, you know, you can't say he's a bad owner.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, you never.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

They bang on Dolan all the time, but it looks like he got it right with the Knicks. The Rangers have been a consistent guy.

[Don Hahn]

He's always spent money. He's always spent money, always provided facilities like it's never been.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

And also, when we were growing up, Allen, you know, basketball and hockey weren't what they are right now. It was like, all right, I followed football in the wintertime. I followed baseball in the summertime, but now I got other stuff going on. Kids are totally into soccer now. Kids are watching all these other sports and consuming it. Why do they have to sit there and basically set fire to the palms of their. Like, put. Putting cigarettes out on their wrists, watching football for three hours in New York.

[Don Hahn]

They have choices that we.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Sticking is sticking your pinky in a pencil sharpener is more entertaining.

[Don Hahn]

Tessa and Wes Caldwell. Hey, Tess.

[Esther]

Hey, guys.

[Peter]

Listen, you guys are shot out and hilarious. Like, even sometimes when I'm just, like, so depressed over my trash garbage team. Like, just to sit here and listen to you guys when I'm in all this traffic driving from South Jersey back up to North Jersey, it's just hilarious. Like, I love today. I love every show, but today's show was just, like, it was really awesome. And especially even the argument over telly time. Like, I don't know. You guys are crazy. I do have my. In a good way. Crazy. I do have my movies. I want to suggest. Please, the sports movie, but I do just want to make a comment. Yesterday, I couldn't even call in because I felt so crazy and bad for Don, how upset he was. Because it's the truth. Like, that's just my moral. That's how I was raised. I'm not a quitter, so why would I want my team to be a quitter? Like, I hate when fans call in for that. You can't put a band aid on it. We not even looking at a positive trajectory of just being a positive. Oh, we almost there, team. We're so in the basement and garbage. Like, we have to fix this. So why will we Fix it with just one person while we get this awesome quarterback if our old line is trash and can't even protect him. So it's just like yesterday, I was just like arguing with myself in a car, driving in traffic, air fighting everybody. And I was like, I can't curse on the radio, so let me not even call in because I just felt so crazy yesterday. Whatever I was saying. No, it's about a common denominator. The common denominator. We're not good. So what is going to help us be good? You know, is it this position, that position, or is it just a bunch of. A lot of them. And right now I don't think Joe Shane is doing a good job at that. So that's, to me, the problem. It's him. So no matter what he brings in or what he takes out, it's not working in some ways. Now, this draft class is what's keeping him there. Because Kyler Nugent, all of them, they are, they're rocking. They got that dog in them. So they're doing great. So that's why this is the year. This is the year of what he's going to do. To just see Donna, like next year or after the season, like, okay, we wasn't as bad as last year. We are looking on the up. That's all I want. I just want to be able to look up and be like, wow, we're moving in the right direction.

[Don Hahn]

That's it that any fan that's. I think you're at this point when you're as bad as the Giants have been, just like the jets, every fan, what you want is the evidence that it's heading in the right direction. We already said you might not get all the wins, but if you have evidence, like, again, Dan Campbell's second season in Detroit did not start well. His first season was a disaster. But the second half of that season, there was evidence that it was finally starting to click. That's what you want to see. You just want to know that it's heading in the right direction. And right now, the Giants have not shown you that.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Ice picks, ice picks. Ice picks. Ice picks.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

It's been a bit of a struggle for the Oilers coming out of the break. Four straight losses, no Darnell Nurse. Possibly. Tonight they're in Florida to take on the Panthers rematch of last year's Stanley Cup Final. Panthers playing without Matthew Tkachuk again, hasn't come back since the four nations. I'm getting a plus 120 oiler moneyline. That's my pick. Oilers get off the Schneide tonight in Florida. Oilers money line at +120 like you dream about. And Bob locked in.

[Don Hahn]

This is my first ice pick.

[Rosenberg]

You excited?

[Don Hahn]

I need a cigarette.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

This pirate plays 40 bird.

[Don Hahn]

That'll get me every time from that one. So good. Adam's in Valley Stream. What's up?

[Rosenberg]

Hey, Adam.

[Adam]

Hey, what's up, guys? Good evening.

[Don Hahn]

Good evening.

[Adam]

So, just want to let you know, I grew up in Queens back in the 80s, and I was watching Chris Mullen, Walter Berry, these guys, you know, helped run the St. John's program then. And it was a great time growing up. And I'm really, really excited about what Pitino has done with his team here. Pretty amazing. And I see them as a potential Final Four team. Their defense is some of the best defense I've ever seen in college basketball.

[Don Hahn]

They play so hard. They do. Yeah.

[Adam]

Isn't it amazing?

[Don Hahn]

Yes, it is. And you know what? Here, Adam, listen to this. Seth Greenberg. You know who he is, right? He's a great college basketball analyst that we have at espn. And they were talking about Auburn, number one team in the country. They're smoking, everybody. They're really tough. And so the question that he was asked was, name some teams that could, if they faced him in the tournament, take down number one, Auburn, who can compete. Listen to the teams that Seth Greenberg brought up.

[Caller]

You got to be big. You got to be physical. You got to have size in your back court. You got to be able to rebound the ball. You got to have toughness and a little bit of arrogance. So I'm going to start with Houston, maybe the toughest team in all of college basketball. You talk about a physical front court, big guards that can get downhill and make plays. Then how about Florida? Florida's got size, length, athleticism, front court. They got a dynamic backcourt. They shoot the three, and they've got toughness. And finally, St. Judge said St. John the Godfather, and see what he's doing. Their ability to rebound the ball, their ability with their backer, Canary Richmond, late games, getting downhill, six'six Lewis, another six'six wing player. You have size, length, physicality, toughness. But most importantly, you need a little arrogance. Because this Auburn team, they think they're good. No, they know they're good. And they play with an incredible confidence.

[Don Hahn]

How about that, Adam? Him including St. John's as a team that could take down the best team in the country if they faced him in the tournament. That says a lot.

[Adam]

Thank you for sharing that. I think this is going to be one of the best March Madness tournaments you've seen in a Long time. And, you know, with Pitino at the helm and the way they respond to him and his knowledge base, I mean, I could see them going through Duke, winning the east and getting on to play teams like the sec. It's absolutely great. This is one of the best squads they've had in. In forever. And the characters they have are just very enjoyable. So I really just hope we all enjoy the ride. I'd like to see them win the tournament, the Big east tournament.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, we're gonna be there.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

I think it's gonna be important.

[Don Hahn]

We're gonna be there.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Yeah, we're gonna be there for sure. So come out over to Monahan, Moynihan Station.

[Don Hahn]

Sure.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

And then check us out.

[Don Hahn]

Irish exit.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

That's right.

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

14Th, right.

[Don Hahn]

That is the fifth. Friday the 14th.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

And it looks like the St. John's will be the 6:30 games.

[Don Hahn]

We're going. We're gonna march right over.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

We're go.

[Rosenberg]

Like you'd like to dream over the guard.

[Don Hahn]

We're going to carry Peter in.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

I want to give Dave Rothenberg credit for this because, you know, he loves college basketball. They're going to have to get at least a four seed to make a run to the Elite Eight or the Final Four. If the NCAA screws them and makes them a five seed, I don't see a run like that.

[Don Hahn]

How do they not get the three seed?

[Rosenberg]

We talked about this.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

You're seven now, right? They're ranked seventh.

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

After the. And they beat Butler. And they're guaranteed at least a tie of the regular season biggies.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

And now if they win. If they win, they're not gonna drop.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

So you're telling. See, do the math, man.

[Rosenberg]

So we have next. There's next week, too.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

So there's. We have this weekend. We have two next week. Then we have the tournament. Right, Don? In theory, they should be good. But the beauty of the beauty and the madness of February and March is you somehow drop your last regular season game, you get bounced in the first round of the tournament, you never know what happens.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

That's fine. You can't mess around with. But if they do win the Big east in the regular season and they win the tournament, they're already ranked seventh. They're not going to drop. Let's say they say seventh at the end of. At the end of it all, going into the tournament, they will be a two seed. Well, you would think they should be.

[Rosenberg]

No, no.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

They will be doing them. I don't know.

[Rosenberg]

Let me say. Let me say, guys, can I tell you something, a dirty little secret. I don't worry about New York teams who have not been popular in 30 years being slept on. People are desperate for them to be very popular.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

The NCAA, they do wacky things. St. Thomas is not a blue blood, all right? But they are good for Tino. I'm just telling you they've got some work to do. I hear you. I believe that they deserve it, but I'll see it when I believe it, when I see it. I don't know. You're looking at it from a professional standpoint. You always want New York, New York market in.

[Rosenberg]

Not only.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

That's not the way the NCAA looks at it. St. John's doesn't look the bad like Duke or North Carolina or Kansas.

[Don Hahn]

But Ionardi right now, the latest bracket watch that he put together here, which is a couple of days ago now, so I guess before the Creighton win, he. He has St. John's as a 4 seed in the Midwest. So their first round matchup would be against a school called High Point. They'd be in a bracket though in Providence. So they'd be local in that first round, second round setup. The other bracket in that is Yale and Maryland. Yale team you don't want to play?

[Rosenberg]

No.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

No Giant games.

[Don Hahn]

Last year they were Maryland though. As we can, as we see. They'll give you the game back.

[Rosenberg]

That's a tough question.

[Don Hahn]

Why was that kid shooting at three, four? I don't know. The game's tied. What are you doing? So it was drop to the basket, maybe get fouled. If not, you go to overtime. Why are you taking a 30 foot three?

[Rosenberg]

Wasn't that like such a, such a modern day.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Oh, it's too much NBA mad, you.

[Rosenberg]

Know, and like he Don, there was basically, you know, there's five seconds left. He could completely try to get into the paint, get an easy bucket, get a foul, whatever. He had an open shot, he took.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Speaking of threes, did you see how many threes the Nets took last night?

[Don Hahn]

Well, Jordy Fernand has been on them about shooting threes. They haven't shot enough. I think they had 30 in the first half.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Yeah, they had 61.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, yeah, he was on them. So they. Oh, you want to shoot threes. They had 74 points at the half against the Thunder.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

I know.

[Don Hahn]

And then they lost the game.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

They had an 18 point lead and then the Thunder went on an 18 point run.

[Don Hahn]

See, there's the team, there's a team that's fan base, wants them to lose for all the right reasons, but when you lose, the way they're losing, it still shows you they're heading in the right direction. Does that make sense? Like, they. They play you tooth and nail, but they don't hold on to win. And it's almost like you kind of win. Win in two ways. You stay in competitive, you're not being embarrassed, but you're also not winning too much, which can mess up your lottery situation. So. But anyway, the way he's got it is if St. John's advances all the way and now you get to the sweet 16, they now go into the bracket with an Alabama, Baylor. You know, teams like that, Alabama would be the 1 seed in the Midwest. They're good. So, you know, 4 seed, though, right now is the way you think he has it.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

You think getting a four seed that they'll be built for a run again.

[Don Hahn]

You still got to knock, like, who's the three seed? Wisconsin. Hmm. Yeah. I think they got to win the tournament or at least, you know what? Championship game appearance in the Big east tournament and lose to Creighton. You know what I mean? Right? Like, you have to lose to Creighton.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

You can't lose to, like, Villanova.

[Don Hahn]

No, you can't. You can't lose to. Well, yeah, you can't lose to Yukon. You definitely can't lose the Villanova. You can lose to Marquette. So one of those three, you could lose the Marquette and still. Still make a case. But. Yeah, so they're in. But a 4C. It's gonna be interesting to see what ends up happening there. Thomas in Bergen County. He's been waiting a while, too. Hey, Tom.

[Tom]

Hey, what's up, guys?

[Don Hahn]

What's happening?

[Tom]

I know you mentioned Gene Hackman and Hoosiers, obviously. Yeah, it's definitely on the list. And just a couple fun facts. The cinematographer, right? So the camera work totally made that movie really special. It totally stands out. That guy was from Holy Cross High School and Flushing.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, really?

[Tom]

Yeah. Fred Murphy. Yeah. And then Gene Hackman actually hated making that movie. He thought that movie had no chance.

[Don Hahn]

I heard that. I heard the story. Yeah, I heard the story that while he was making it, apparently he. He told people that he just, like, he was miserable. He thought, this is. This movie's gonna bomb. Like, this is. This is really not good. And didn't expect it to be good at all.

[Tom]

At all. He's actually telling Dennis Hopper at one point, we both just made the last movie of our careers, and they're laughing.

[Don Hahn]

And Barbara Hershey's in this Movie, too.

[Tom]

Yeah. The acting is also top notch, but they're laughing at the fate of this film in their minds. And they took the image of them la and it's when the team's playing well, so they kind of use the shot as a joyous thing, but they're really laughing at this movie has no chance. And then. Yeah, yeah. So watch the movie for that shot. They're on the bench laughing.

[Don Hahn]

That's great.

[Tom]

And then the music. Jerry Smith is another thing that elevated that movie just epic to the next level.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tom]

Music and, you know, I mean, just a shout out. Total legend in sports movies. And then I know your homie, Al Tratwick. I was generation MSG when the Yankees moved over. Al Tratwick was the voice. You know, my golden era being a sports fan right here in New York and be the torch. You guys do a good job.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you, Tom.

[Rosenberg]

Thanks, buddy.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I mean, you talk about a voice of a generation of several sports. That's what Al Trovic was.

[Rosenberg]

And you guys did a great job last night. That was really well done.

[Don Hahn]

It was emotional, but, yeah, it was the right thing to do to honor him. Josh in Port Washington. Hey, Josh. Josh.

[Rosenberg]

Josh.

[Don Hahn]

We got you there, buddy.

[Adam]

Hello.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

All right.

[Adam]

Awesome. What's going on, guys?

[Don Hahn]

What's happening?

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Not much.

[Caller]

All right.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

So I wanted to give you my. My top. I was gonna do top five. I just. I can't leave out the last two, so I'm giving you my top seven.

[Don Hahn]

Seven.

[Rosenberg]

Here we go.

[Don Hahn]

Real quick, real quick.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

All right. League of Error.

[Don Hahn]

I do like that one.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Little Giant. Six, Icebox. Danny O'Shea. Number five, shout out. Gene Hackman. Rest in Peace.

[Rosenberg]

Hoosiers.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

That movie.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Number four, Major League.

[Rosenberg]

Love it.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Number number three, Rookie of the Year, Henry Rowan.

[Adam]

Gardner.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Chef Steadman. Number two. Any given Sunday, I think the best sports speech. Coach speech in a movie by Al Pacino. That one. Gotta fight for that number one. And number one for me has to be. Remember the Titans? I'm 36, so, I mean, that's. These are in my wheelhouse, but.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's not a bad list, buddy.

[Don Hahn]

Strong side. Yeah, I don't know about. Thank you, Josh.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Little Giants.

[Don Hahn]

Little Giants.

[Rosenberg]

Rookie of the year's a bit high.

[Don Hahn]

Little Giants.

[Rosenberg]

It's a young list.

[Don Hahn]

How come no one's mentioned Miracle? Am I the only one that thinks Miracle is a great sport?

[Rosenberg]

I never. I never saw Miracle.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

I think it's great.

[Don Hahn]

I just wonder how much you're rooting for the Canadians.

[Rosenberg]

I was rooting for Yeah. I was rooting for Russia.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

How much is it hurt by the fact that it's not a documentary, but it's, It's, It's.

[Don Hahn]

We know the ending.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Yeah. I, I don't. I don't know. And I, I didn't love the shot. And I do love the movie. When the clock zeroes out.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

And they beat the Russians. The shot they chose was just a puck on the ice, like, twirling around. And I, I. Give me something other than that. I, I wanted the euphoric. Was it like an artist, artistic kind of shot? Like, I, I didn't like that.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

But I mean, that's the thing.

[Don Hahn]

I love the movie.

[Rosenberg]

That's that small.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

No, I'm just saying I love the movie, but I didn't like that shot.

[Don Hahn]

I love that they went to the actual Al Michaels call.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Yeah, that.

[Don Hahn]

And they seamlessly did it. Like you didn't even realize it. While you're watching. Almost caught up in, like, this is happening in real time. That's what I thought. Like, that was done so well. A lot of the stuff about the storytelling in the movie and, and, you know, the Herb Brooks character was incredible. You don't think that was performed very well?

[Drew Rosenhaus]

No, he. It was outstanding.

[Don Hahn]

The scene when he calls out the players and he's kind of skating around and he's turning so you don't see his face. A lot of people say it kind of gave him chills because it just. He really did in that moment.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Russell did a terrific job.

[Don Hahn]

Look, just like, you know.

[Rosenberg]

Have we mentioned He Got Game today?

[Don Hahn]

He Got Game was good.

[Rosenberg]

I was a big fan of He Got Game.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

Different. Different kind of movie. Like, didn't focus on the sports part. It's about the business of going to college.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And the 10, by the way, Rosario.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Dawson, you know, another one mentioned that I. That I watch no matter when it's on, is Rudy.

[Rosenberg]

We got some calls about Rudy. That's all pop up. Yeah, Rudy. Rudy's up there, man. That's a. That's a solid. I'm never going to complain about Rudy as a choice.

[Don Hahn]

Were you the one that said you hate the. Somebody told me they hate the line. Who told me that?

[Rosenberg]

What's the line again? Remind me that.

[Don Hahn]

Five foot nothing, 100 nothing. Who was it that told me that? And I was like, what? I thought that would have been you because you're very particular. Someone said that to me in the last 24 hours.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Wasn't me.

[Don Hahn]

And I was stunned. Like, you hate that line.

[Rosenberg]

You know, it's a great line, though.

[Don Hahn]

Cut his fat ass.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Hey, we.

[Rosenberg]

We didn't hear.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Why did we go so long?

[Rosenberg]

We forgot to play it back yesterday. John, Jonathan's kid who said his favorite drop ever from Don.

[Don Hahn]

Cut his fat ass. Absolutely.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

It's not the greatest parenting, but I'm on board.

[Don Hahn]

What do you mean? What do you mean? It's the best parenting?

[Drew Rosenhaus]

His fat ass.

[Don Hahn]

Cut his fat ass. Oh, thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

That's awesome.

[Don Hahn]

That great 7 o'clock, NEC front row, Liu Wagner. So shout out to Liu and coach Rod Strickland. How about we get a dub for the boys, too, right? And boys and girls.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Oh, that's nice, man.

[Don Hahn]

So good for them. Looking forward to it and really happy for them. Anyway, thank you. 800 now, 1-937.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Thanks.

[Don Hahn]

Peter needs his fix. Richard in Manhattan.

[Caller]

Hi, Don. Peter Allen Felis.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Oh, no. You're sick.

[Caller]

Five years. Where does it go? You remember St. John's first round, Big east tournament.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Now who they lose.

[Caller]

Walk off the court because at halftime, the COVID Oh, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

That's when they shut the whole thing down.

[Caller]

That unbelievable. Five years, fellas, as St. John's ever won the Big east regular conference and then proceeded to win the Big east tournament?

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Caller]

Never happened.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

No.

[Caller]

Wow.

[Don Hahn]

They've never done. Yeah, they've had a share, but they've never won it. Right. And then won the tournament.

[Caller]

That's funny. You know, you guys talked about San Antonio. The greatest sports moment I've ever seen in sports. And it's related to you guys at espn. Valvano running around after Lorenzo Charles, who went to my high school. Brooklyn Tech, gets Derek Wittenberg's shot and puts it back in. Valvano's running all around. He can't find anyone to hug. The greatest sports memory I ever had. The poor guy, a few years later, dies. That is the greatest sports memory I have in sports. That was fantastic.

[Rosenberg]

It's a legendary moment.

[Caller]

Oh, man. All right. The three greatest movies, all three of them make me cry. They'll make me cry when I tell you Brian's Song. Billy Dee Williams, James Caan. At the sports dinner. Sports writers dinner. Billy D. Says, I love Brian Piccolo and I hope tonight you love him, too. What a line. Number two. The guy that mentioned it already. Pride of the Yankees. Lou Gehrig and Teresa. I forgot. Right, Teresa. Oh, what a movie. The guy is dying and he's saying, I'm the luckiest man in the world. That's number three. Number three. Jim Thorpe. All American. Burt Lancaster. What they did to that poor guy. He played a couple of minor league games and he died penny penniless. That he was an American Indian. They just never let him. That was terrible what they did to that poor guy. Now, fellas, you know, you talk about mets and Yankees. 1968.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Sure.

[Caller]

The odd Couple. I just saw it. The movie. Jack Klugman and Tony Randall. No, Walter. Matt. Oscar is a sportswriter. You know who he sports rights for?

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Who?

[Caller]

The Mets. Not the Yankees. So just think of this.

[Don Hahn]

You know, Richard, that bothered me. He always wore a Mets hat. And I'm like, you don't wear a hat covering the team.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

But Oscar. Felix called him about what he wanted to have for dinner. Maybe because you're at the ballpark. Have some hot dogs. He missed the triple play, remember?

[Caller]

From 1962 to 1974. And that included a lot of bad years for the Mets. The Yankees were in three World Series, the Mets were in two. The Yankees, the Mets had a better record in those 13 years. And they outdrew the Yankees in those 13. It was Billy Martin when he came in 75 with Steinbrenner bringing him abroad.

[Don Hahn]

That turned the whole.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

The movie. I thought he was gonna.

[Don Hahn]

I would have bet.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

I would have bet any amount of money.

[Don Hahn]

He would have.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Because he was talking about crime. Right through. He talked.

[Rosenberg]

Right. Don did this. He never hears us when we talk back to him.

[Don Hahn]

I swear, I thought he was gonna bring up Sid Finch, the movie.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

I thought because he was talking about, you know, crying from during Brian Song.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

And Yankees.

[Don Hahn]

Sure.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

I thought he was gonna mention Bang the Drum Slowly. Remember that movie? Michael Moriarty.

[Don Hahn]

I know of it.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Robert De Niro.

[Don Hahn]

Don't think I've seen it.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

There were the New York Gothams.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, wait, no, I did see that. Yes.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Yeah. And Robert De Niro's character, Shea.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it was shot at. Shea.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

It was shot at.

[Don Hahn]

I did see that.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Robert De Niro. And he's dying of cancer. So it had that Brian Song kind of feel and a very old school.

[Don Hahn]

New York feel to it. Like it just.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Well, they look like the Yankees.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Like, if you like, they had an interlocking ny, but it wasn't quite like the Yankees. But yeah, they have the Big Mac.

[Don Hahn]

We have the Big Mick.

[Rosenberg]

We love the Big Mac.

[Don Hahn]

You know, their buns have sesame seeds. Our buns have no seeds.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

I make dowels.

[Rosenberg]

I love me dow.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

That.

[Don Hahn]

That's all for you, Peter. Because that's.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

No. And that was worth every bit a sports movie.

[Don Hahn]

AJ's okay. Well, Ron and Woodbridge. Ron.

[Rosenberg]

Hey, Ron.

[Don Hahn]

Hey.

[Adam]

How you guys?

[Don Hahn]

Good.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Yeah, what's up?

[Adam]

Good. First time calling. But I've been trying to call you guys for the longest.

[Don Hahn]

Welcome.

[Adam]

Thank you. The movies I need to talk about, basically, very unorthodox movies. I don't think they have been mentioned yet. Three movies I have. One is for me, number one, Finding Fisher. Even though it's not a sports sports movie.

[Don Hahn]

But the chess. The chess vehicle.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

The great movie Sports of Jace.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Sports Adjace. Okay.

[Adam]

And second movie is Cool Runnings.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, by the way, Al Trout wig and no one mentioned that all day. That is a truly beloved, you know, kids sports comedy. Cool Runnings.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, sure.

[Adam]

And True story, Jamaican Bob1 is a foreign, foreign movie. I don't know if you heard about it. And it ties in with something I was trying to call you guys two weeks ago about regarding the biggest upsets.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Okay.

[Adam]

The movie is on Netflix called 83. It's about the 1983 Cricket World Cup.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, wow.

[Rosenberg]

Is that one of the great upsets in history. My day three cricket world.

[Don Hahn]

Sounds like it. It.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Yeah.

[Adam]

It's the greatest upset in the history. In my eyes, bigger than Tyson. Because that World cup before that World cup in India won that World cup that year. And before that, in this history of their World cup, they never won a single World cup game.

[Don Hahn]

Never won a game. And then they go on to win the whole thing. Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

It was.

[Rosenberg]

And it was in. It was in England and Wales.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you, Rob.

[Rosenberg]

And won by India.

[Don Hahn]

You know, we. We hosted a big cricket. Was it World Cup, Right. Long Island.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

It was in Miami.

[Rosenberg]

They heard about that.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

When I was down with the Rangers during the conference final, they were in the same hotel. A lot of the people, the competitors, even though they said it was Miami, a lot of it was in Fort Lauderdale.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

And there was someplace else in the United States. It was Miami. And somewhere else.

[Don Hahn]

The island.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Oh, that's right. That's right.

[Don Hahn]

They built a big stadium at Eisenhower Park. You have to see this thing. It was a monstrosity. And there were just countless people at this thing. So, you know, cricket's a big deal.

[Rosenberg]

Movie came out in 2021.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, what's. What do we got a rating on it?

[Rosenberg]

I don't see it.

[Don Hahn]

No, I don't see a rating. Might be worth checking out.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

They were. I saw a list somewhere. The three biggest sports in the world. Most popular sports on the planet.

[Rosenberg]

Soccer and cricket are one and two.

[Don Hahn]

Right. Soccer and cricket have to be one and two.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Yeah. And believe it or not, was hockey.

[Rosenberg]

Hockey was the.

[Don Hahn]

You really?

[Rosenberg]

Well, you think you're getting Eastern Europe, you're getting Canada, getting us.

[Don Hahn]

It's pretty bas. Got to be four.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

Yeah, probably.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that was a show.

[Drew Rosenhaus]

That was show tomorrow. Dan's next.

[Don Hahn]

Dan Grasso. Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter. Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your small, smart speakers.

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