Hour 4: Hack-a-Mitch?

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast – Hour 4: Hack-a-Mitch?

ESPN New York | May 5, 2026

Overview

In this lively hour, Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg dive into basketball strategy—especially the controversial "Hack-a-Mitch" tactic used against Knicks center Mitchell Robinson. The episode unfolds with a mix of spirited debate, personal anecdotes, New York sports talk, and passionate calls from listeners, all in trademark fun and no-nonsense fashion. The hosts also touch on NHL prospects, beloved NY broadcasters, and assorted current events in sports.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hack-a-Mitch & NBA Free Throw Woes

• Main Topic: The use of "Hack-a-Mitch"—intentionally fouling Mitchell Robinson due to his free throw struggles, and whether it hurts the game.
• [01:42] Listener Lang asks about possible ways to counter the Hack-a-Mitch, wondering if Robinson could stand out of bounds at inbound to avoid being fouled.
  • Alan Hahn stresses, "He's got to play, like he's got to be out there. He's got to make free throws. Yeah, we're not asking a lot here." (02:38)
  • Peter Rosenberg muses on the psychological toll, "It must be psychological." (02:52)
  • Don Hahn brings up Robinson's history: "He shows me a video of a high school age Mitchell Robinson... drilling threes... perfect. To a guy that at free throw line, looks like he gets the ball and he just goes, I don't know what to do." (03:04)

2. Comparison to Baseball and Skill Regression

• [06:08] Rosenberg draws a parallel: how star pitchers in high school are also sluggers, but by the majors lose hitting ability, relating it to Robinson losing his shooting touch.
  • Don Hahn responds: "But it's not like Mitch stopped shooting a basketball—in games he stopped shooting." (06:42)

3. Should Hack-a-Player Strategies be Allowed?

• Hosts discuss if intentional fouling away from the ball should be permitted:
  • Don Hahn: "Shouldn't that be like a technical foul or something? Like you shouldn't be doing that. What are you doing?" (08:03)
  • Rosenberg: "You shouldn't be allowed to do something bad and have it benefit you, right?" (07:45)
  • Don Hahn: "It's a basic fundamental of the sport, a free throw. If a team is giving you the opportunity to shoot free throws, they're handing you points...You're going to have to be good enough to simply make them." (09:08)
  • The debate weighs tradition, strategy, and viewing experience, with some support for the tactic being a "strategy," but plenty of annoyance about its effect on game flow.

4. Strategic Parallels Across Sports

• [10:43] Rosenberg switches to hockey, lamenting how a penalized team can freely ice the puck—a negative turning into a positive.
  • Rosenberg: "You shouldn't gain a positive from a negative." (11:44)
  • Don Hahn floats the idea of changing icing rules in the final minutes for fairness.

5. Listener Calls: Knicks, Islanders, and Genuine Broadcasters

• [14:37] Vinnie from Staten Island notes Robinson still shoots threes well in warmups—fueling the enigma of his free throw issues.
• [15:25] Steve from Middle Village reminisces on the late John Sterling and Phil Rizzuto, praising their authenticity.
  • Rosenberg: "We always love the people that are genuine and we can sniff out a phony...Phonies just don’t work...He was a genuine person...It wasn’t shtick. It was who he was." (16:39)
• [17:05] Alex from Lynbrook inquires about Islanders' prospects, specifically Matthew Schaefer and Victor Eklund.
  • Don Hahn: "He's definitely one of their top prospects...they've got a couple of them...coming up...they’re very excited." (17:44)
• [20:32] Charlie from Queens asserts that the Knicks are deeper than the Sixers—a possible edge in the series.

6. New York Sports Headlines

• Discussions weave in the Yankees, Islanders' contract and prospect talk, Minnesota-Colorado NHL playoff action, and the value of leadership and team continuity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Hack-a-Player Tactics:

  • "Shouldn't that be like a technical foul or something? Like you shouldn't be doing that. What are you doing?"
    — Don Hahn (08:03)
  • "You shouldn't be allowed to do something bad and have it benefit you, right?"
    — Rosenberg (07:45)
  • "It's just painfully stupid. But it all comes down to: It's a basic fundamental of the sport, a free throw."
    — Don Hahn (09:08)

• On Free Throw Struggles:

  • "He shows me a video of a high school age Mitchell Robinson...at that point I think he's 6-10...out at the three point line drilling threes...and I'm like, is this AI?...at the free throw line, looks like he gets the ball and he just goes, 'I don't know what to do.'"
    — Don Hahn (03:04)

• On Sports Authenticity:

  • "We always love the people that are genuine and we can sniff out a phony...It wasn’t shtick. It was who he was."
    — Rosenberg (16:39)

• On NHL Prospects:

  • "They've got a couple of them, man, that they've got coming up in the next couple of years that they're very excited."
    — Don Hahn (17:44)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:42 — Lang from Connecticut: Hack-a-Mitch strategy question
• 02:38 — Hahn: "He's got to make free throws."
• 03:04 — Hahn's high school Robinson anecdote
• 06:08 — Baseball comp: skill loss and pressure
• 08:03 — Should intentional fouls away from the ball be a tech?
• 10:43 — Similar rule-bending in hockey: icing after penalties
• 14:37 — Vinnie's call: Robinson's warmup shooting
• 15:25 — Steve on broadcasters' authenticity
• 17:05 — Islanders prospects and roster chat
• 20:32 — Charlie: Knicks depth vs. Sixers starters

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In Summary

This episode is classic New York sports radio—frustration and fondness mixing with sharp analysis and storytelling. Whether it's the penalty of watching NBA bigs clank free throws, the quirks of hockey rules, or the traits that make a broadcaster beloved, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg keep it real with opinions and fun. Plenty of listener participation, as always, grounds the chat squarely in the city’s pulse. Knicks, Isles, and a dose of nostalgia all make for a fast-paced, essential listen for NY sports fans.

Transcript

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[Rosenberg]

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[Caller]

Hey, good evening.

It's good to be back. I was respectful of your decision. Hadn't called in Mike from Manhattan. It was hard to hear him speak and just happy I'm not the worst caller.

[Rosenberg]

Well, welcome back. Nice to have you back.

[Caller]

Thank you. Thank you. And I'm really trying to make a conscious effort to enjoy this journey and relish the wins as much as we ruminate the losses. But I was thinking about the Hack and Mitch strategy and I've been trying to find the rule. I can't really find it. I'm trying to figure out if there's a strategy that we can use to counter attack if Mitch stands out of bounds right when the ball is inbounded. If he goes out of bounds and gets fouled, is there some kind of violation there where you get one shot in the ball? Or is there anything that can be done besides Mitch Spending all day in a training facility shooting free throws today to counter attack that strategy.

[Don Hahn]

Well then he's just standing away from the game and you need can't. He's got to play like he's got to be out there. He's got to make free throws. Yeah, we're not asking a lot here.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know why it's such a struggle for NBA players, but it is, it's.

[Don Hahn]

It does get in his head.

[Rosenberg]

It must, it must be psychological.

[Don Hahn]

It has to.

[Rosenberg]

He can go out there and I'm sure he practices all the time.

[Don Hahn]

Should I ever tell you this? When the Pelicans came to town. Now you know, he's from the New Orleans area, I should say. And the Pelicans sideline reporter is somebody that covered Mitchell Robinson when he was in high school. And he pulls out his phone, he goes, you won't believe this. And he shows me a video of a high school age Mitchell Robinson playing in a high school game. And not only is he of course dunking on every kid because he's like practically, you know, at that point I think he's 6, 10 and he's, you know, a great athlete, but he's also out at the three point line drilling threes high, arcing, beautifully shot three pointers. And I'm like, is this AI? He's like, no, no, this is like that's him. Like he looks at the free throw, it looks like he's never shot a basketball in his life. Line drives like just awful. And I cannot believe it for the life of me. How, how do you go from that fluid looking release the whole thing perfect. To a guy that had free throw line, looks like he gets the ball and he just goes, I don't know what to do. I like things my way. My coffee, my schedule and my treatment. So I talked to my doctor about self injecting with the Vivgard Hytrulo pre filled syringe which contains fgar, Tigamund Alpha and hyaluronidase qvfc. It's injected under your skin subcutaneously. It means I can inject in my space on my time. It's my treatment, my way. Visit vivgartmyway.com that's V Y V G-A-R-T myway.com and talk to your doctor about Vivgart Hyrulo brought to you by Argenics

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[Rosenberg]

FDIC Can I give you a comp? Mm how is it that over time you have kids who in high school were the starting ace pitcher and mashed home runs, did nothing but mash home runs in high school as a pitcher and then a couple of years removed. Stop really focusing on batting and then get to the majors and literally looks like they've never swung a baseball bat compared to their.

[Don Hahn]

It's fair.

[Rosenberg]

You know what I mean?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Every kid I knew who was the best pitcher in high school was also the best hitter.

[Don Hahn]

But it's not like would match. But it's not like Mitch stopped shooting a basketball.

[Caller]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Like if you're focusing on pitching so you're not going in the cage anymore.

[Rosenberg]

But maybe they're shooting the ball.

[Don Hahn]

No, I mean in games.

[Rosenberg]

In games.

[Don Hahn]

Sorry.

[Rosenberg]

In games he stopped shooting.

[Don Hahn]

I. I don't know. But.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I'm sure he practices from the free throw line more than he's shooting threes for sure.

[Don Hahn]

But still.

[Rosenberg]

But it's something that to me the

[Don Hahn]

theory get over it.

[Rosenberg]

It's all. It's so Much easier psychologically to do things when people don't expect you to do it as opposed to when they expect you to do it. Nobody thinks he's going to hit threes, and. And if he missed by a mile, nobody would blink. But at the foul line, it's a thing.

[Don Hahn]

But let me ask you this, then. Like, I think what he was trying to suggest is this. Do you think it's, like, bad for the sport to have this to where you could purposely foul a player?

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

To put him at the free throw line.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

And knowing that he can't make free

[Rosenberg]

throws, he should not be allowed in sports. And Jeff Van Gutti talked about this.

[Don Hahn]

It's like the intentional walk, though, right?

[Rosenberg]

I know.

[Don Hahn]

I want you to hit, so I'm. Put you on base.

[Rosenberg]

That's fine. There's a strategy to that. As a strategy to the fouling.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. It takes the team out of its rhythm.

[Rosenberg]

Something. You shouldn't be allowed to do something bad and have it benefit you, Right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And also it slows the game down.

[Don Hahn]

Part of the game. Think about it. It's not part of it. It's away from the ball. And I've always felt like away from the ball. Foul should have a little more to it than just that. Like a. Like a t. You're purposely fouling someone and all you're doing is just like, tapping him. That's what you're doing. Like, they just sit there and tap him and they look at the ref and they point to the ref like, hey, I'm purposely following him. And I've always said, shouldn't that be like a technical foul or something? Like, you shouldn't be doing that. What are you doing?

[Rosenberg]

I guess. I guess it's like an onside kick in a way. Like, you want to have something that can allow a team to get back into a game. Like if you did away with it and said you're not allowed to foul somebody in that way, like, if you foul away from the ball with less than a minute to go, you're not going to get free throws. We're just going to inbound it again or whatever.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

Wouldn't that. Then there'd be games that could still be one that would be over. Right. Don't you want to be able to keep people engaged in a game that, hey, I'm down nine, but listen, the team's not hitting their foul shots. This is a strategy to get me back in the game. As boring as it is and as frustrating it is to watch, if it allows a team to come back and win a game. Is that a good thing?

[Don Hahn]

It's just painfully stupid. But it all comes down to. It's a basic fundamental of the sport, a free throw. And I'm sorry, if a team is giving you the opportunity to shoot free throws, they're handing you points and you're. You're going to have to be good enough to simply make them. Right.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

So that's the argument. The argument is, wait a minute. If a team is willing to give you free throws, take them, why would you not take them? That's why I just. But it's just such an ugly part of the game. It does slow it down, but it is a strategy. And when there's a team that knows what we can't a. This guy dominates the boards out here. We got to get him off the floor. We know he can't shoot free throws, so let's do that. It slows down the Nick offense. It put. Gets them out of rhythm, gets him off the court. This is a win for us. That's a strategy. It's. It's eliminating a piece on the chess. Chessboard because you know it's weakness.

[Rosenberg]

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[Rosenberg]

You know, a little quirky thing in hockey that bothers me is that, all right, it's 2:1 late in the game, you're up 2 to 1.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

And teams really, the team that's down a goal is really putting a lot of pressure on you. You ice the puck. The punishment is now there's going to be a face offensive face off in your zone. However, if I commit a penalty, I get to ice the puck. Even though I'm down a guy and I don't want to be. I now add the strategy of being able to clear the puck all the way down and I'm not punished. I can just. It really makes it eat. It's not easier. I'd rather not be penalized. But one of the benefits of committing the penalty is I can ice the puck now.

[Don Hahn]

It's actually not crazy if you think about it, especially if you're like, if you're up a goal, it's a little risky. But if you're up two goals and you're just trying to, you know, you just want to frustrate them and kill the game, take a penalty.

[Rosenberg]

But you, you shouldn't gain a positive from a negative.

[Don Hahn]

That's a good point. So you're saying like last two minutes of a game, you shouldn't, you're not allowed to clear the puck.

[Rosenberg]

You still get an icing. I would. That would change things.

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[Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Rosenberg]

Any reason or just New York vibes? New York vibes. All right, all right. I like it. I respect it. Let's get back to the phones. Vinnie, Staten island, you're on ESPN New York.

[Caller]

What's up, guys?

[Don Hahn]

What's up?

[Caller]

Mitch Robinson can still shoot the three in warm ups. He's got a great three point shot. He just can't do it from the foul line. And last week I told you the Knicks were gonna get killed.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Caller]

In Atlanta, that is called the reverse mush.

[Rosenberg]

That's what we're calling it now. All right, I get it. I like it.

[Caller]

I've got powers.

[Rosenberg]

That's a nice pivot. You know what? I've got a lot because that didn't age well. It did not age well. But I love the fact that you made the pivot. That's awesome. Steve, Middle village, you're on ESPN New York.

[Caller]

Hi, guys. Thank you for taking the call. One of you said that sports is supposed to be fun when that Nick fan called. Great call. The three of you are great broadcasters because I've been taking notes of. Of everything you've been talking about and it's been brilliant about John Sterling. He was old fashioned show business, if you know what I mean. I'm 73. But he was older. He was older than me, thank God, and lived a longer good life. Phil Rizzuto was like that. He was a straight. He was really. When I was growing up, he was a straight broadcaster. But as he got older, he got free. He knew he wasn't going to get fired, I guess. I don't know.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. The seventh inning, crossing the George Washington. The game was still going on.

[Caller]

I met him once and he. And just like what Michael said about John Sterling, Phil Rizzuto at an event. I was covering for a business publication. He was the same guy that you would see, that you would hear. He was your Uncle Phil. I said, do you mind if we take a picture of you and somebody else? He said, that's why I'm here. That's the kind of guy he was.

[Rosenberg]

Well, that we always, Steve, we always love the people that are genuine and we can sniff out a phony and phonies just don't. Just don't work, you know, when people just, you sense that you sense it's not real and they're never likable when they're out that way. He was a genuine person. So whether you liked it, it wasn't shtick. It was who he was. Alex Lynbrook, you're on ESPN New York.

[Caller]

Oh, hi, Don. How you doing?

[Don Hahn]

Good.

[Caller]

Two quick things. I really like Enders Lee. I'm just concerned. I think his contract is up in July, so I'm really, I hope he's going to stay in Islander. And my second question, I figured you would know it. Of course. Matthew Schaefer is the future of the islanders. He's the first piece. He's a left handed defenseman. With this other kid is the right handed defenseman, Victor Eglinton. I figured you might know. Should I be excited? Is he that good? Is he the second piece to the island of Ascension? Like, should I be excited that we have him? I think his name is Victor Eklund.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Caller]

So is he that good? Is he up there like with Matthew?

[Don Hahn]

I don't know. You can't put him in that category, of course. But that he's definitely one of their top prospects. They're excited. They've got a couple of them, man, that they've got coming up in the next couple of years that they're very excited.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, we'll see if it pans out. Schaefer's just. That's special.

[Don Hahn]

He's a different level. But. But Lee is going to be about the money. They know they can't pay him to. I like how much does he want to just stay here and finish it here? I think that's the emotional part, right?

[Rosenberg]

I mean and leadership is important, but.

[Don Hahn]

But it's also the longevity. Like this is a guy, the original islander, right, like from start to finish, man. Like he could do that if that's what he wants.

[Rosenberg]

And I think those things are important. But you know, in a cap sport and there's a lot of need there now, I think the board's going to do a good job. There. But they need. There's a lot that has to go in. They got to find a way to be able to find because I'm consistent scoring power play. And the power play was just so brutal. I'd like to see Lee stay, but

[Don Hahn]

I think everybody would like to stay

[Rosenberg]

and I think he would like to stay too. But no, he is somebody that. I think if he became a free agent, there'd be teams that say, I need him in our room.

[Don Hahn]

He's a guy. That's exactly it. And you know, you look at Brock Nelson, a guy that also could have been start to finish, right?

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But how'd it work out for him?

[Rosenberg]

I know he's right by. Probably win a cup, right? It's the only game tonight. Minnesota, Colorado. It's must see tv.

[Don Hahn]

Absolutely.

[Rosenberg]

And I know sometimes you get too many goals, but these are. It's the best players doing it, you know.

[Don Hahn]

I'm sorry, Don. Was that game boring?

[Rosenberg]

Not at all.

[Don Hahn]

Complaining about the first of all, anybody complaining about that game was north of the border because they're, they're. They're so freaking high and mighty about the sport now. You know, that's not really how just

[Rosenberg]

knowing or Michael in Manhattan might have felt that way.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he would have hated it too.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, it's. It's so entertaining to just see that. It's. And it's also crazy to see 15 goals and both starting goaltenders stayed in the game the entire time. It's kind of crazy.

[Don Hahn]

Quinn Hughes, though, pretty good, right? He's pretty good.

[Rosenberg]

That was pretty imaginative to bank it off the player the way that he did.

[Don Hahn]

He's pretty good. He's.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Listen and listen. There's obviously an extension that Minnesota. A window. Minnesota has to exclusively negotiate with him until free agency on July 1. If he does not extend with that,

[Don Hahn]

he could be a megastar in this market, man, just to be able to

[Rosenberg]

see three brothers playing on the same team.

[Don Hahn]

That would be a draw, first of all.

[Rosenberg]

But he's. Listen, Jack is special, but Luke, just because of the position he plays.

[Don Hahn]

Come on, Sonny.

[Rosenberg]

Talking about a defense. Come on, Sonny, make it work.

[Don Hahn]

What a first move that would be.

[Rosenberg]

Charlie Queens.

[Caller]

Charlie.

[Don Hahn]

Bless you.

[Caller]

I had a rough commute, but thanks for taking a call. I appreciate it.

[Rosenberg]

Anytime.

[Don Hahn]

Rough commute.

[Caller]

So two things quickly. One, first is the Knicks are deeper and the Sixers they're starter heavy and their minutes is gonna. I mean starter like Edgecomb, MB Maxi, George Maxi.

[Don Hahn]

They're all going to play 38, 40 minutes.

[Caller]

If it's like you know, high leverage, situational game. They're going to play high minutes into the north of upper 30s, maybe 40 minutes. So the Knicks have the deeper team and they have the advantage. And second thing, Peter and Alan, I appreciate for taking it to the task and hopefully it comes on this week's Fraud Friday. About that fraud, that is Evan Cohen, he's a complete fraud. And I feel like it's almost like Lebron's like, you know, decision where I know he say from New York and everything, he went to college down in Miami. He's like, oh, I'm gonna join, you know, the fandom.

[Rosenberg]

I talked to him today and he made very clear that he was never a Nick fan. He said he grew up here and he has to be honest, he was never ever a Nick fan.

[Don Hahn]

Still isn't. Yeah, well, he said I gotta believe and take him for his word.

[Rosenberg]

That's all. I mean, that's the thing. We'll try to gather more evidence for Friday. Dan Grassa is coming up next. We'll be live from Stout three o' clock tomorrow. Get you ready for game two. Nixon Sixers. Dan Grass, the next Donna Rosenberg, ESPN New York.

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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN News York app and your smart speakers.

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