Hour 4: Honoring Al

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast - Episode: Hour 4: Honoring Al Release Date: February 26, 2025

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Overview

In "Hour 4: Honoring Al," hosts Don Hahn, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve into a deeply personal and emotional segment honoring Al Trotwick, a respected figure in their community. Alongside this heartfelt tribute, the trio engages with listener calls ranging from Greek culinary delights in Astoria to passionate debates about the New York Giants' future. The episode masterfully balances humor, camaraderie, and vulnerability, offering listeners both entertainment and genuine moments of reflection.

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Honoring Al Trotwick

The centerpiece of the episode is Peter Rosenberg's heartfelt tribute to Al Trotwick. As the team prepares to honor Al, Peter shares his personal struggle with grief and the challenge of addressing this loss live on air.

• Peter Rosenberg's Emotional Journey ([05:29] - [08:00]): Peter opens up about the recent losses in his life and the difficulty of maintaining his usual on-air demeanor while preparing to honor Al. He reflects, "This has been a wonderful distraction for me personally. It's been quite a run for me these last couple of months, losing people in my life." ([05:29])

• Don Hahn's Supportive Insight ([05:29] - [06:12]): Don encourages Peter to embrace authenticity, emphasizing that genuine emotion resonates with audiences. He advises, "What Al would want is you to do good TV, and you know how to do good TV. So all you want to do is be completely authentic." ([05:29])

• Broadcasting Through Grief ([06:12] - [09:10]): The conversation deepens as Peter shares memories of Al's mentorship and their collaborative history. He poignantly states, "Al is somebody that meant so much to me on many levels." ([06:12]) Don reiterates the importance of authenticity in broadcasting, noting, "There's never a reason to feel bad or worry about getting overly emotional because, you know, it makes compelling entertainment also." ([11:11])

Engaging with Listener Calls

Balancing the emotional weight of honoring Al, the hosts engage with listener calls, showcasing their signature blend of humor and insightful commentary.

• Greek Culinary Delights with Stomatis ([13:05] - [15:13]): Stomatis from Astoria shares his top Greek restaurant recommendations, highlighting Kiklotti's Clotties with immense popularity: "They have all Greek delicacies... there's literally a 45-minute wait." ([14:36]) The discussion transitions into the pronunciation of "gyro," with Stomatis advising, "If you're Americanized Greek, expect you to say gyro. You know, we don't judge it." ([14:55])

• New York Giants Debate with Mike ([18:27] - [23:31]): Mike from Parsippany passionately criticizes the Giants' current strategy, questioning the decision to pursue veteran quarterback Matthew Stafford. He suggests alternative draft strategies, stating, "Why don't they just take... and maybe you draft a quarterback in the fourth round or something and you hope to get a, you know, a Dak Prescott type player." ([19:17]) Alan counters, expressing frustration over the franchise's perceived lack of effort: "How are you supposed to build a culture? How are you supposed to build a team...” ([17:35])

  The debate intensifies as Don offers a counterpoint on Stafford's viability: "If you can protect Matt Stafford, he could be your guy for a few years and then you could at least give it a shot right now." ([23:30]) Alan remains unconvinced, culminating in a spirited exchange about the team's direction and future prospects.

Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

As the episode draws to a close, Don Hahn wraps up the discussions, acknowledging the emotional depth of the tribute and the lively debates from listeners. He reassures listeners of continued engaging content, stating, "We'll catch you tomorrow at 3pm right here on 880 in the ESPN New York app." ([23:57])

Peter adds a touch of humor, emphasizing the importance of quality content: "I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good." ([24:36])

Don concludes with a signature sign-off, blending humor and enthusiasm: "These are the prodigies, the savants, the ones we've been waiting for. And they are not asking for you to pass the baton. They are methodically planning the perfect moment to take it." ([24:39])

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Peter Rosenberg on Personal Loss: "This has been a wonderful distraction for me personally. It's been quite a run for me these last couple of months, losing people in my life." ([05:29])

• Don Hahn on Authenticity in Broadcasting: "What Al would want is you to do good TV, and you know how to do good TV. So all you want to do is be completely authentic." ([05:29])

• Stomatis on Greek Cuisine in Astoria: "They have all Greek delicacies... there's literally a 45-minute wait." ([14:36])

• Mike on Giants' Draft Strategy: "Why don't they just take... and maybe you draft a quarterback in the fourth round or something and you hope to get a, you know, a Dak Prescott type player." ([19:17])

• Don Hahn on Matthew Stafford's Potential: "If you can protect Matt Stafford, he could be your guy for a few years and then you could at least give it a shot right now." ([23:30])

• Peter Rosenberg on Quality Content: "I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good." ([24:36])

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Conclusion

"Hour 4: Honoring Al" serves as a poignant reminder of the personal bonds that underpin the sports broadcasting community. Through heartfelt discussions and spirited listener interactions, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg offer a multifaceted episode that honors a cherished mentor while engaging audiences with relatable and passionate debates.

Transcript

[Alan Trawick]

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[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Trawick]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[Alan Trawick]

Don, you know what? Maybe they can go pee on each other. That'd be great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Han, there's a lot of women out.

[Don Hahn]

There that want you. Ally and Rosenberg, give me the porn. For God's sake, this isn't North Dakota.

[Alan Trawick]

This is New York.

[Don Hahn]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg. The best threesome I've ever heard on 880 ESPN ESPN New York app. The only thing that would make that intro better is if Richard said the best threesome I've ever had.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cheap burger, cheap burger, cheap burger.

[Stomatis]

No Coke, Pepsi, the more physical stuff.

[Alan Trawick]

You do in your mouth.

[Don Hahn]

They're all good. It is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, wow.

[Stomatis]

Fellas, I got one quickie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Your obsession with him, Peter, it's borderline now. It's like we're really getting to a point now where we're going to have to intervene.

[Don Hahn]

But did you. When I put it up on the gram, you see, he connects with the audience. He gets the people going.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I haven't had a chance to go through a comment. I tried not to swim in the comments pool. I really saw.

[Don Hahn]

We saw how earlier it wasn't great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it didn't go well. See, the first time I checked, just to just set a curiosity again, the station did, you know, tweet out the list and I was like, let's see how what people think maybe they had a name that I wasn't thinking of. And I was like, oh, oh, okay. You know, I'm not really big on the you suck kind of stuff. That's not. That's why I really. I really like to be part of.

[Don Hahn]

You mean you mean you being the you and you suck?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, myself.

[Alan Trawick]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

No, then people don't enjoy that generally. But by the way, this post about Richard was so safe. If someone came to the Richard post just to say, alan, you suck you, then these are people who are committed because it wasn't about what's another way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We could call the Richard Post, you know for sure?

[Don Hahn]

Hmm. It's a good question by you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You just wanted the dp.

[Don Hahn]

The dp. The D Post. Someone said Johnny said we need Richard to pull up to a live show, give the people a story time session. Nathaniel Blackwood said, that's us in the car, too. That's us, too. Laughing emojis, referring to the face that Alan's making.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

G says his older sports references can sometimes be decades old and hard to relate to for most listeners. I still find him entertaining. Would love to see an episode where Richard is a guest.

[Alan Trawick]

We've tried.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How do you interview somebody that won't listen? He doesn't listen, my man. Once we bring him up, he just goes, he. You talk about steppage. Runs right through the stop sign, Mows down anybody in his path, and when he's done, he hangs up.

[Don Hahn]

My man. Legit. Did not care about Yalls answers at all. Never seen someone ask a question and care less about the answers. Here's. Here's one. So Nyson says, true story, y'all. Picked up Richard's call. I'm listening from work. Updated an Excel spreadsheet, printed it, took it to my boss's office and explained the changes. Then pit stopped in the ladies room, took a whiz, washed and dried my hands, came back in my office, and he was still talking. That can't be positive.

[Alan Trawick]

Not today.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, today he was. He was under control today, but it sounds about right. Yeah, it's fair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I have only a few fleeting more moments with you guys. No, I have to leave early today for. For good reason. We're opening because I. Normally, I tape something for the open of the pregame show, but today we're going to be live because we'll be honoring Al Trotwick in his memory. So they want us to be live, and so I have to be in position and wired up and everything else. So I do have to duck out just in a few minutes. But not. Not yet. But I'm gearing up for it, boys, because, you know, this show is also. It's a wonderful distraction for listeners that they've always told us. This has been a wonderful distraction for me personally. It's been quite a run for me these last couple of months, losing people in my life. And I gotta admit, I was coming back up from downstairs knowing what was next and then reminding me, okay, we're doing this and we're talking about this and think of things to say. And as I was coming to the booth, I said to myself, I'm. I'm tired of talking about this stuff. Like, I just. It's like. It's like just too many times now. I have to think of things about somebody that I've lost in my life, and I have to do this on live TV in a few minutes. And I don't. I don't know how I'm gonna do, to be honest with you. So it's. It's kind of hitting me. And, you know, and I'm. I'm trying to figure out, how do I handle it? Because I've been doing a lot of laugh with you guys, which I absolutely love, and our callers and everything else, and arguing and being distracted. But, you know, this. This is. It's hitting me right now because Trauwig is somebody that meant so much to me on many levels.

[Don Hahn]

Well, come on. You know. You know what good a. What Al would want is you to do good tv, and you know how to do good tv. So all you want to do is be completely authentic. And if that ends up being that you completely break down, that's great. If that means that you, you know, seem sort of sullen, but you get through it, that's great. If you can't get through it, you have to toss to someone else it. When it's real feelings, you just got it, just got to go live it. That's all you can do. But it is kind of scary because you don't know how. There is something about when the light goes on, particularly with tv, because radios, we've done radio before, and even with radio can happen where it just hits you. But, yeah, part of that is part of the magic of tv, but it's also a little scary in moments where you're dealing with real emotions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, my sister. I had time away, you know, and so you get to process that. And as, you know, incredibly painful that. That was, you know, my good friend Brendan Brown from December, you know, and you know that. And we didn't really do much ourselves on the air, but because Al is such an icon and what he meant to the network, of course, it's. We have to do something. We should. And I just. All I keep thinking of in my. In my mind, and I'm sorry, I'm taking away from the show. We should be getting the calls, but I just. Because I'm feeling it, I wanted to talk it out with you guys. Yeah, why not let everybody be part of this conversation with us?

[Don Hahn]

I'm glad you did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You go through our Phone. You go through our. Our best and you go through our worst. We all do this together. And I, I just keep hearing him, you know, just growling at me like, you got a blanking show to do. Like, get over it. You got a show to do. Because I know that's how he'd be like, all right, we'll get over it. You got to show. And that's just the voice I keep hearing in my head. So I might say something completely stupid on the air and people like, wow, that was crass. Why would he say something like that? But it's just because that's what I've got for me to focus on is how he would talk to me in this moment. And I've came to him so many times for advice right before I'm about to do something. I didn't go to school for broadcasting. I know it's surprising, by the way, I am a broadcaster, right? Like, Jesus, did you go to school for this? No, I didn't, clearly. But, no, I learned at MSG University, I learned my professor was Al Trawick. And literally, from a sports writer to never doing this before with him as your mentor and teacher, literally during breaks, on the very first time I'm on the air, giving me pointers, things to think about, what to do. Like, that's, that's all I know. That's how. When, you know, that's how I do what I do.

[Don Hahn]

So what real quick. Well, two things. One, it's made complicated because in this case, if you were to say, just do the bleeping show. Well, part of the show tonight is him. So that, that, that's just what the deal is. That is the show. And then real quick, what is. Do you know what the layout is overall throughout the night? Is it just at the top that they're doing a thing or.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, we're doing something to open the pregame.

[Don Hahn]

Opening the pre. Game. Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mike Breen and I will be opening the game broadcast as well at, at 7 on the court with something. And there's a, there's a great video and there's, you know, there's obviously tribute in the building. There'll be a moment of silence in the building. They're going to do that. As there should be, you know, that there's, there's that. And I'm, you know, throughout the game, I'm sure there'll be, you know, some references here or there as well. But, you know, it's, it's. I think it's the initial part is getting, getting through the first. First one, that's probably what I'm most like. That's the anxiety I'm dealing with right now is that and just making sure that I kind of stay on point and stay professional. Instead of that I lose it.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I don't. I always feel like with these things there's no such thing as kind of being professional because at a certain point when it's really personal, that that's all there is. It blends together. Right. So. And by the way. And then when you get to the. In game one, you've got Mike Breen there right. To captain that ship. And that's a. He's a nice. But he's gonna obviously be very emotionally affected by this too. So I'm. Either way, I'm glad that this many things are happening for him. It's all very well deserved tonight for sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Certainly is. Yeah.

[Alan Trawick]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

Good luck though, Alan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm gonna leave it here. And you guys got plenty of calls to take his home and I will, I will talk to you boys tomorrow.

[Don Hahn]

All right. Have a good call, man.

[Alan Trawick]

Good luck. He'll be fine.

[Don Hahn]

He'll be fine. Yeah.

[Alan Trawick]

It's not like people watching are going to think it's strange if Alan gets emotional. I think people are going to watch it and emotional about Al I. I got to. You know, the Rangers, I did a great job on their broadcast. John Gianone and Stephen Valakat had great things to say. Henrik Lundquist and they all were certainly trying to fight back tears, especially guy like Ginone work with them for 20 years. And Valaquette has similar stories talent about how he helped him when he first, you know, broke into the business and all that. So Alan will be fine. But I understand his apprehension, but he's got the whole audience, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

I'm such a broadcast freak. I am such a lunatic in terms of how much I like good broadcasting that when I've been in situations that are incredibly emotional, I won't say I look forward to them, but I'm very comfortable with if it goes completely emotional because I know that even when it's sad. And by the way, we've had some pretty sad conversations on this on these airways before. And Don, this, I admit this part makes me a freak who cares too much about broadcasting. But even if it's me, even if I'm the one who's getting teary eyed or it's been you, well, I don't know if I've seen you get super emotional. Michael's had a Couple.

[Alan Trawick]

No, I mean, I get emotional in other ways.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Yeah. No, but I'm trying to think so, so. But whenever I've had these moments, I had one recently when. When Mr. C passed away. Oh, my God. The show the next morning, we all went around and when DJ Cass1, who's generally very. Cas, is funny and he's straightforward. When Cas got to his part of telling the story about how Mr. C was like the first person who kind of opened the door and let him in the radio station and Cas broke. As sad as I was for him, and as sad as I was for me, the broadcaster freaking me is still going, oh, God, this is good radio. Because there is a thing that when you're driving around and you're listening or you're watching television and you see real emotion, you can't look away from it. So there's never. To me, there's never a reason to feel bad or worry about getting overly emotional because, you know, it makes compelling entertainment also.

[Alan Trawick]

Right? But this, this, in this particular situation, you have the room like, this isn't like if we do a show and somebody passes away, that maybe the audience, not everybody will get him and get it. So they can't be in tune with you because they're not feeling. You're watching a Nick game tonight, everyone, and you grew up a Nick fan watching games on msg. You're going to be feeling everything that those announcers are going to be feeling in the broadcast. So it's not going to come across as like, I don't get it. I understand. Why are they so emotional about it? Because that's always the fear, right? Like, why is he losing it? Who is it that died, by the way?

[Don Hahn]

What freakazoid would ever say that about someone when they see them get emotional?

[Alan Trawick]

I can think of one. But then, because people are like that, just like, I don't get wasn't. Because there's some people like, well, you're not married to the person. It's not in your family. What are you gonna. Everybody handles grief differently. So that's why people can get judgy about it, because it's different than how they handle it. But who's gonna look there and go, I can't believe Alan lost to talking about Al Trowway. Come on. Half the audience is gonna be losing it.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, listen.

[Alan Trawick]

And the other half are gonna be like, I get it. I understand why.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, I cracked at the end of our last case show that the restaurant.

[Alan Trawick]

So everybody handles things differently.

[Don Hahn]

But let's want to talk to the people I please. We'll go to Stomatis in Astoria. Hey, Stomatis.

[Stomatis]

Hey, what's up, guys? How are you?

[Don Hahn]

Is Stomatis a common Greek name in Greece? It is in Greece. It's a common Greek name.

[Stomatis]

Yeah. I'm born and raised in Queens, man. So what's the number one?

[Don Hahn]

What's the number one? Most delicious? I know it's a big question, so I apologize. But the number one, if you had to choose most delicious Greek spot in Astoria, what is it?

[Stomatis]

Ironically, there's a restaurant called Samadhis Restaurant, and it's not mine. It's just a complete coincidence, but it's banging. It was really good. It's an Astoria, Queens. It's, it's, it's, it's. You know, you got to wait to sit. But the best is a place called Kiklotti's Clotties. Yeah, Kiklotti's. It's. They have. They're very seafood based, but, you know, they have all Greek delicacies and stuff. But it's. There's literally a 45 minute wait. There's people standing out on the street waiting to get in. Celebrities go there. George Clooney's eating there out. And he just sits out in the public because it's so good. If you ever guys are ever in Astoria, that's the place to go.

[Don Hahn]

All right, I need to find the link to this. I'm coming through. And one last question. When it comes to Greek food, you as an actual Greek person, how do you feel that the average gringo who's not remotely connected to anything Greek, how do you feel that when they order at a restaurant, they should pronounce G Y R O?

[Stomatis]

Well, if you're Americanized Greek, expect you to say gyro. You know, you don't judge it.

[Don Hahn]

Okay?

[Stomatis]

Yeah, you know, we don't judge it. We just look at you and know.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, you know, you're a yo yo.

[Stomatis]

Yeah. If you're Greek, if you. It's. It's a. You know. You know what I mean? But, you know, we don't expect it. If you want to give it a shot, go ahead.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I just. I sometimes worry, Don, about showing up and going saying giddo like it's. I'm going to sound like a fraud.

[Stomatis]

Just order souvlake platter.

[Don Hahn]

I love a souvlaki platter. All right, what do you got? Stomatis.

[Stomatis]

All right, well, I called because I wanted to talk about the Giants about the, the draft picks and, you know, Shador Sanders, and I challenge you to look at next year's schedule and find me four wins. That schedule next year is absolutely brutal. Now, I'm not trying to say the year, but looking at that schedule, I don't know if you saw, but that's released next year's schedule and the following year schedule because of the rotation for the, you know, the afc, but next year's schedule, we're not going to get more than four wins, man. And I'm, and I'm. I love my Giants. I'm optimistic all time, all that stuff, but I can't see where it's even feasible if we get a quarterback or not, that we're going to win more than four or five games. And I think that's. That's pushing it, to be honest, because if we're playing, you know, Casey and, And the Lions and, like, it's insane. Plus our natural rivals in the NFC East. So the question is why. Why go in on. On, you know, on Sorry, Stafford and try and win now when even if we got a team that's kind of like in the middle, it's going to be hard to even win four games with a middle team.

[Alan Trawick]

But you got, you got, you got to make an effort, all right? Players are not going to want to play for the Giants if they think they're just going to be brutal all the time. How's Malik Neighbors going to feel? He's going to all of a sudden start demanding a trade? Why am I wasting all my time here? My team's not even trying to win. I get the schedule's difficult, but, man, the one game I don't like playing in the NFL. Peter is starting to look at the schedule based on what teams did last year. I mean, I don't know, would it be. Would it be crazy to think that something a sophomore jinx for Daniels or, God forbid, Daniels gets hurt. Cowboys continue to sink deeper. Philadelphia's on a Super Bowl.

[Don Hahn]

I hate what you're saying, but. No, it's possible.

[Alan Trawick]

You know, all I just. You can't as a team when you're trying to recruit free agents and work on draft picks and sell tickets, everything that you're trying to do as a franchise and tell or send the message out, we're not trying. So that's a third consecutive year of being an embarrassment. And what are you building towards?

[Don Hahn]

Right. All right.

[Alan Trawick]

Matthew Stafford. I might not win a ton of games, but maybe in the second year I will. Maybe the third year I Will, I'm not even totally in love with the Stafford thing, but I kind of understand why you're kicking the tires on. How are we going to try to be a better football team? How are we going to start progressing and moving forward and not be irrelevant and not be an embarrassment? How are you supposed to build a culture? How are you supposed to build a team, Peter, if all you do is win two, three games, hoping that the next draft pick is going to turn it all around? So I get the wanting to get Arch Manning, but it's going to take more than one player. It's going to take more than one move, but you're going to have to start. You got to start putting together the. Putting your best foot forward and make an effort to try to win, to change the perception of your franchise. I'm sorry. I see value in that.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Mike in Parsippany. Hey, Mike. Hey.

[Mike]

How are you guys?

[Don Hahn]

How you doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good.

[Alan Trawick]

How are you?

[Mike]

Good. First of all, before I get to my point, I just want to say that I was 70 years old when Cool Runnings came out and Al Trotwig was there doing the. Or on the movie, doing the Cool Runnings movie. And that was my first memory of him. And then I also remember him doing, I think during the 911 tribute concert, he was walking around during the call centers and taking. Interviewing the celebrities and that, I mean, for me being, you know, like 14 years old, that was a definitely memorable experience of my life to remember him doing.

[Don Hahn]

A few people hit me up with that, with that specific moment as well, in Cool Runnings for sure.

[Mike]

So the point I want to get to. The point I want to get to the Giants is why don't they just take what Mel Keiper just said last night and when he put out his mock draft of Take Travis Hunter at number three, you roll with Drew Locke this year and then maybe you draft a quarterback in the fourth round or something and you hope to get a, you know, a Dak Prescott type player. And if you.

[Alan Trawick]

Drew Locke under contract, I gotta. I gotta resign Drew Locke.

[Mike]

Well, or.

[Alan Trawick]

Or DeVito.

[Mike]

Take anybody. Take anybody who's somewhat serviceable. It doesn't make sense to take Stafford because you're gonna be done. He's only. He's 37 years old.

[Alan Trawick]

He just. 37. So. So I. If I have him for three years, I can't win in those three years.

[Mike]

Do you really think he's going to be here for three years?

[Alan Trawick]

Well, I mean, if they invest, he's going to Be there if they spend the money. Why is it so impossible to believe that he could be your quarterback at 37, 38 and 39?

[Mike]

I just think that you should take. The best player in the draft would be Travis Hunter.

[Alan Trawick]

Okay.

[Mike]

Have him play 100% on defensive back. You haven't played 10 to 15 snaps. That wide receiver. Okay, this year, then you draft a quarterback next year, and then you move on.

[Alan Trawick]

So you want to tank this year?

[Mike]

I don't want to take.

[Stomatis]

You should.

[Mike]

Well, I mean, I don't think it's.

[Stomatis]

The worst thing in the world.

[Alan Trawick]

All right, so then you draft the. But, but, but you. So you're just hoping that a. I think Arch Manning will come out, but that's going to solve all your problems at the three consecutive years of losing. You think all these players are going to want to be on board with that? You think Neighbors is like, okay, I'm good. I basically took a knee on my rookie season. Didn't go anywhere, won three games. Gonna have to do it again in my second year. And on the third year, we're gonna draft the quarterback, and so we're not gonna be very good because our quarterback is gonna be a rookie. And now he's gonna go into his fourth year saying, get me the hell out of here.

[Don Hahn]

What are you gonna do?

[Alan Trawick]

I'm on a team that has no interest in winning because we're hoping to get a quarterback maybe down the road. I don't know how you can. How. How do you function as an organization? How's it worked out for Philadelphia? Trust the process. Well, they've trusted the process and keep getting worse and worse and worse. How many more seasons do I have to throw away in the hope that maybe I'll draft a quarterback? I. And you're not the only one. Everybody seems to be on board with this.

[Don Hahn]

Hold on.

[Alan Trawick]

Listen, I'm tired of it, man.

[Don Hahn]

I'll tell you what. There are people who've been waiting longer, but Mo has a great idea. Mo in the Bronx. What's up?

[Stomatis]

Hey, guys, I just wanted to hear your. What you guys thought about bringing back Daniel Jones, but not at 40 million a year. Maybe a backup quarterback rate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, thank you for the phone call.

[Alan Trawick]

What's the next phone call? All right, you know what? You can handle the rest of the show, right? Two and a half minutes. Listen, I get you're a younger kid. You don't care. You're gonna do something. I just don't know, Peter, how you function as an organization. Just keep losing, losing, losing, losing. And then maybe we'll get the quarterback. Is this sound like a plan to you?

[Don Hahn]

No, listen, I.

[Alan Trawick]

But that's the majority. I mean, there's a talk show who host, who does a great job in the morning. Dave Rothenberg. That's his plan. Rick. Rick D. Pietro agrees. Yeah, go ahead, throw another year away. Throw another one. Maybe one year we'll get it right.

[Don Hahn]

The. If you look at the statistics on Matt Stafford over the last several years, if this is something that. To Don's point, that if you want to try to actually trot out a real quarterback. He is 37 years old, guys. He's missed like a total of 10 games over the last five years. It's been pretty healthy. And he's not a runner. He's a guy with a monster arm. If you can protect him, which is a big gift for this team. But Don, they should be healthier on the line next year. If you could protect Matt Stafford, he could be your guy for a few years and then you could at least give it a shot right now. And then, Don, maybe you can draft a quarterback project this year or next year to put behind him.

[Alan Trawick]

No, you do understand. See, you're missing the point, Peter. The only way you can win championships is to tank and take the first overall pick. It's the only way.

[Don Hahn]

It works every time.

[Alan Trawick]

That's how can. Oh, that's right, they didn't. That's how. Phil. No, no, that. Philadelphia didn't do it that way either. Hmm, yeah. Oh, no, no. Buffalo didn't do it that way either. Well, Jacksonville did that and they've won. How many. How many play? No, this one playoff game. You know what? They're all right. You know that? Just the only way to do. It's really the only way to do it. I must be a moron. All right. Thank God the show's over. Goodbye.

[Don Hahn]

I gotta tell you, Don makes a very good. Oh, he threw his headphones off too. Well, listen, you know what I'm gonna do then? Plum gonna play a set. Oh, I gotta give thank yous. I mean, Tony, we gotta wrap. We gotta rap. So we gotta wrap, guys. Knicks basketball is right here. Next, we're going to run this whole thing back again tomorrow at 3pm A lot to get into tomorrow as well. Of course, as we mentioned earlier, if you want to watch on MSG later, they're going to do a lovely job starting a few minutes on Al Troutweig. And we wish Alan the best with that. We'll catch you tomorrow at 3pm right here on 880 in the ESPN New York app. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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