Hour 4: Hurts & HR Derby

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary Episode: Hour 4: Hurts & HR Derby | Release Date: July 14, 2025

In this engaging episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg podcast, hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and guest speaker Peter Rosenberg delve into a variety of topics ranging from high school sports ethics to the intricacies of quarterback performance in the NFL. Additionally, they touch upon the upcoming Home Run Derby and reflect on the historic Live Aid concert through a CNN documentary. This summary breaks down the key discussions, insights, and conclusions drawn during the episode.

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1. High School Sports Ethics and Coach Privileges

Timestamp: 00:29 - 05:59

The episode opens with Alan Hahn addressing recent challenges faced by high school sports programs in New York amidst severe weather conditions. He introduces a contentious issue involving a high school football coach from Bridgewater who was suspended for providing additional services to his players, such as rehabilitation for injuries, Uber rides, and meals. Alan shares an anecdote overheard at a doctor's office highlighting the financial struggles families face, particularly concerning expensive Uber fares for transporting children home late from practices.

Alan Hahn reflects on the coach's intentions:

"He was sitting on a lot of money and he wants his kids to be taken care of and not have to go without." ([02:00])

The discussion pivots to analyze whether such actions constitute unfair advantages or genuine acts of kindness. They draw parallels with a similar case involving Kia Wright, a high school basketball coach who was fired for taking her players to an unsanctioned St. John's game despite having parental consent and organizing the trip under her own AAU program.

Guest Speaker Peter Rosenberg emphasizes the complexity:

"It's just, you're out." ([04:00])

Alan Hahn questions the fine line between providing support and creating competitive imbalances:

"Is he getting Ubers for the kids because he wants them to win and he's trying to take advantage of something because he happens to be a millionaire and the rival coaches aren't?" ([05:00])

The hosts agree that while the intentions may be noble, the perception of favoritism and potential league regulations pose significant issues.

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2. Quarterback Performance Debate: Jalen Hurts vs. Others

Timestamp: 05:09 - 16:14

Transitioning to NFL discussions, Alan Hahn introduces a debate sparked by listener Matt, who questions the validation of certain quarterback rankings.

Caller Matt critiques the reliance on traditional metrics:

"These are team games. This is not tennis." ([07:27])

The conversation centers on evaluating quarterbacks like Jalen Hurts, Justin Herbert, Patrick Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson. Alan argues for assessing quarterbacks based on individual performance metrics rather than team achievements.

Alan Hahn states:

"We're judging who's the better quarterback. And I'm bringing in different stats and their skill set as the judge." ([07:56])

Peter Rosenberg counters by highlighting the importance of the system surrounding a quarterback:

"Mahomes is the system. And Hertz is in a system that fits him, but Mahomes is the system." ([12:38])

The hosts debate the merits of each quarterback, discussing Pro Football Focus grades and playoff performances. They acknowledge that while some quarterbacks may excel individually, team dynamics and external factors significantly influence their success.

Alan Hahn underscores the complexity of attributing team success to a single player:

"There’s a whole team that won, not just the quarterback, right?" ([07:50])

The debate remains unresolved, emphasizing the subjective nature of ranking quarterbacks and the multitude of factors that contribute to their evaluation.

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3. Reflections on the Live Aid CNN Documentary

Timestamp: 17:34 - 24:46

Shifting gears, the hosts reminisce about the Live Aid concert, marking its 40th anniversary. Alan Hahn expresses excitement over the CNN four-part documentary covering the event, highlighting its historical significance and global impact.

Alan Hahn recalls:

"It's considered one of the greatest concerts of all time." ([22:13])

They discuss the logistics of organizing Live Aid, including Bob Geldof's pivotal role and the challenges faced by performers like Freddie Mercury, who was unknowingly battling AIDS at the time.

Peter Rosenberg shares a behind-the-scenes moment:

"Boy George agreed to do 'Do They Know It's Christmas?'" ([24:10])

The hosts appreciate the documentary's portrayal of the event's grandeur and the collaborative efforts that went into making Live Aid a landmark moment in music history.

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4. Upcoming Home Run Derby and Local Sports Highlights

Timestamp: 24:49 - 26:22

The episode concludes with excitement for the upcoming Home Run Derby. Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg discuss local interest, particularly highlighting James Wood, whose athletic lineage includes his father Kenny Wood, a legendary basketball player from East Hampton High School.

Peter Rosenberg adds:

"His father is Kenny Wood... There's a lot of connection there." ([24:56])

They encourage listeners to tune in to the Home Run Derby and support local athletes, emphasizing community pride and the continuation of athletic excellence across generations.

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Conclusion

This episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg offers a multifaceted discussion that intertwines ethical considerations in high school sports, the complexities of evaluating professional quarterbacks, nostalgic reflections on a historic concert, and anticipation for major sporting events. Through thoughtful dialogue and insightful commentary, the hosts provide listeners with a comprehensive look at both local and national sports narratives.

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Notable Quotes:

• Alan Hahn ([02:00]): "Maybe he's just being a really good guy. He's sitting on a lot of money and he wants his kids to be taken care of and not have to go without."

• Peter Rosenberg ([12:38]): "Mahomes is the system. And Hertz is in a system that fits him, but Mahomes is the system."

• Alan Hahn ([07:56]): "We're judging who's the better quarterback. And I'm bringing in different stats and their skill set as the judge."

• Peter Rosenberg ([24:10]): "Boy George agreed to do 'Do They Know It's Christmas?'"

This structured and detailed summary encapsulates the essence of the podcast episode, providing a clear overview for those who haven't listened while highlighting the depth and breadth of the discussions held by the hosts and their guest.

Transcript

[Alan Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

David Bowie, Don legreca, Alan Hahn with us will sell Home run derby's gonna be on our air beginning at 8, so looking forward to that. Hopefully you're getting through all the bad weather. A lot of flash flooding around the New York metropolitan area, so be safe if you're in the car. So the story about Bridgewater that Anthony closed out enn with about suspended from the Miami high school because of providing services like rehab for injuries. Ubers, meals. I was at the doctor today, and I overheard a couple of people talking that worked at the doctor's office. Like, I don't know if she was a receptionist, nurse, or whatever. She was saying to somebody else, I gotta leave work early today. I gotta pick up my son from school because the Uber is just way too expensive. So I'll know her circumstances. Maybe she's a single parent. Maybe her husband works a job he can't get out of. But, like, so imagine you're a high school football coach and a couple of your players, you know, it's dark, practice is over. They're not getting picked up. They got to go home, and there might be a bunch of them. So he goes, I can't drive you all home.

[Guest Speaker]

Or it's. Remember, it's Florida. Yeah, it's hot.

[Alan Hahn]

Hot.

[Guest Speaker]

It's middle of the day, and they have to walk, right? And they're like, let me get you an Uber.

[Alan Hahn]

And I don't know. Yeah, let me get.

[Guest Speaker]

They're already exhausted. They gave everything they had, right?

[Alan Hahn]

He's a millionair, you know. Now, granted, it's an advantage that other football coaches can't provide.

[Guest Speaker]

Not my problem.

[Alan Hahn]

But, you know, maybe there's a kid that's got an injury and he just can't afford to go to the doctor. His parents don't have health insurance. Or, you know, maybe it's, hey, I don't have a meal. We found out during COVID that, like, how many families relied on school being open because that's where their kids got at least two meals a day. Breakfast and lunch, or at least lunch. Like, we Found out that. So, again, I don't know, the community that he works in, maybe he was using as an advantage. I don't know. But I would definitely investigate that to see. Maybe he was just being a really good guy. He's sitting on a lot of money and he wants his kids to be taken care of and not have to go without.

[Guest Speaker]

I don't understand what's happening, like, with this kind of stuff. When you consider what's happening in college now. And I know you don't want athletes to feel privileged. They don't want to have more benefits than a regular student would, because you don't like the imbalance of it. And I completely understand that part of it. Like, there was a story on Long Island I saw last week that really caught my attention. Sort of similar to this. Not at the same level, but same idea. So copic high school basketball. There's a coach, her name's Kia Wright. She was a really good. She was actually a great high school player for that school. She played in college as well and was very good. And so she went back to her high school to give, you know, I'm gonna coach here. And she's had success. She took some of her players to see St. John's play. Let's go to a college game. Watch the game. She got fired because it was not a school sanctioned trip. Now she's got her own AAU thing. And it was all done under that umbrella. They didn't use any school money, nothing. The parents all signed permission slips and they went, she got fired. Makes no sense. No, you're doing something good for kids. You're involving the kids. You're connecting the kids. Your team's having success. This is a legend from the school that came back to coach. These are all good stories. And instead of like, all right, let's figure this out.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's talk about whatever.

[Guest Speaker]

It's just, you're out.

[Alan Hahn]

But what ended up happening again, I don't know. The circumstances probably happened to Bridgewater and it probably happened to. The example that you're giving is some rival coach said, see, I can't do that. That's an unfair advantage. I can't take a bunch of kids to go see St. John's play. I can't buy a bunch of Ubers for my kids because I'm telling you, I see it even on Marco's level as a seven and a half year old, how competitive these parents and these coaches are to win. So I wouldn't be surprised if the school had no problem with it but they probably got flooded with complaints or the commissioner got complaints from other schools saying I can't do that, that's impropriety. That it's just what's the difference? That there's a fine line, I guess, but if you do the work, I guess it's not that fine to say what's a competitive advantage and what's just being a decent human being, right? Like is he getting Ubers for the kids because he wants them to win and he's trying to take advantage of something because he happens to be a millionaire and the rival coaches aren't? Or is he just being a good human being? And I don't want my kids walking home in a hundred humidity and 110 degrees outside or at 10 o' clock at night in a bad area.

[Guest Speaker]

So what's the difference between that having a coach who has the means to take care of some of his players if they need help versus somebody donating, you know, $20 million to the school to build this incredible facility.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Guest Speaker]

That now the players have this great locker room and they have this great, this great field or whatever it is, right? And now you have the competitive advantage of having just something way nicer than anybody else could have. But I donated the money and I said I want it earmarked for this stadium.

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Guest Speaker]

What's the difference?

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's just that's a, that's an advantage. Doing the work. How about just doing the work to see maybe they did.

[Guest Speaker]

But again, I don't know. But we don't know. Is that, did this happen before? And he was told, listen, you can't do that.

[Alan Hahn]

And he did it anyway.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, same as I don't know if Kia, right? I don't know if she was told, listen, you can't do these things. And she did it anyway. I don't know that. But on the surface it looks really bad.

[Alan Hahn]

It does look bad. It does look bad. Let's go to Matt in New York. You're on ESPN New York. What's up Matt? Hey, Matt.

[Caller (Matt)]

Hey, Matt. How you doing?

[Alan Hahn]

Good, how are you, buddy?

[Caller (Matt)]

I'm surprised at your validation on this list. And put double on down on these guys would be fired. I don't get it. I mean these guys are held as the best in their profession for making these decisions. They're not getting fired. Well, what Jeter judge real example I'm.

[Alan Hahn]

Just giving an example of is that it's such a no brainer from a talent standpoint with these executives all agreed that Herbert was a Better quarterback where he was drafted proves that he was a better at least specimen at quarterback. Because that's how you do your drafting. You don't know that. Maybe I'm exaggerating just a bit, but I just think that if you looked at the skill set of Derek Jeter as a young player and a skill set of judge, you would say, listen, if judge is going to be hitting all these home runs, if he's going to be this complete a player, the no brainer that who would you would pick ahead of the other and it would probably be Judge.

[Caller (Matt)]

That's just based on physical attributes. That's, that's all that is. I mean, the same guy said jamarcus Russell, they said Ryan Leaf, he's the same guy. Like these GMs, they're still ranking Herbert, right? They're the same GMs that made the same decision four years ago and they're still saying Herbert. But then you look back, you say, all right, let's compare trophy cases. Who's the better?

[Alan Hahn]

But you're judging it on something. You're judging it on wins and losses, and that's unfair to the rest of the team. Like, why does the quarterback get judged with wins and losses? What, so Saquon Barkley wasn't a winner with the Giants, only won one playoff game, only went to the playoffs once, but now he's a Super bowl champion because he ended up in Philadelphia. Now he becomes a winner. I mean, there's a whole team that won, not just the quarterback, right?

[Caller (Matt)]

These are team games. That's why this list is ridiculous. These are team. This is not tennis.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not ridiculous when you're judging who the better quarterback is. Now you, If I bring in your system, if I bring in. But if I. You're taking all the fun out of this, Matt. Goodbye. I'm saying we're judging the, the who's the better quarterback. And I'm bringing in different stats and their skill set as the judge. You're bringing in championships. Well, now you're, you're, you're rigging the game. Now you're bringing in championships, which just is not about the quarterback. You know, if I throw for 5,000 yards and I throw for 38 touchdown passes, a lot of that's going to be on the quarterback. Shows you has the arm strength to get the ball downfield, find receivers that are open. Now you're bringing in championships. The defense, special teams, protection from the offensive line. So many things come into play. Now, that's unfair.

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[Alan Hahn]

Now you bring up a good point. One guy threw four interceptions. He has not been good in the two playoff games. And Hertz has won an MVP and was great in the super bowl that he lost. That's fine. But you start trophy case. Last I saw, they didn't just present the trophy to the quarterback, they presented it to the, to the, to the head coach and it represents the entire team.

[Guest Speaker]

But we all know the most important position in the sport is quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

But we all know that. But for the Philadelphia Eagles, is it, is it the most important position? When you consider how they built that team, that in a sport where it's a quarterback driven sport, he could throw for 2500 yards and 23 touchdowns and they can win a Super bowl where another guy could throw for 5,000 yards and 38 touchdowns and not get out of the first round, then it shows you that, yes, the quarterback is the most important position. But considering the money they gave Saquon when nobody was giving big money to running backs and the way that they drafted and how talented that team was is Jalen hurts as important to the Philadelphia Eagles as other quarterbacks are, as Mahomes is to the Kansas City Chiefs.

[Guest Speaker]

Oh, I see what you're doing.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I'm saying?

[Guest Speaker]

I see what you're doing because Patrick Mahomes is the system. Right. And Hertz is in a system that fits him, but Mahomes is the system.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Guest Speaker]

That's two different things. And that's why Mahomes number one on the list.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Guest Speaker]

That's why Burrow is higher. That's why those guys below Lamar Jackson, they changed the whole. They ripped up the playbook.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Guest Speaker]

When they put, when they decided to go to Lamar Jackson when he was a rookie, they ripped up the playbook and said, okay, we're going to play this way because it fits the way he plays. And then he's become an MVP twice. So that's why they're top five. Hertz is still somebody though, that I just feel like.

[Alan Hahn]

Are you going to tell me now.

[Guest Speaker]

Justin Hertz, if they were so great, they would have just stayed with Carson Wentz.

[Alan Hahn]

Justin Herbert is interesting because he hasn't. When he's over two in the postseason and not everybody sees him all the time. But are you going to tell me that you would take Jalen hurts over Lamar Jackson? Even Lamar Jackson hasn't won a Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson hasn't been To a Super Bowl.

[Guest Speaker]

That's fair. He doesn't do well in the playoffs either.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on.

[Guest Speaker]

Lamar Jackson does not do well in the playoffs.

[Alan Hahn]

Who do you think?

[Guest Speaker]

It's documented.

[Alan Hahn]

Is there any way, shape or form you're taking any of the top four out of to replace them with Jay Leno?

[Guest Speaker]

No, but I never said that he should be.

[Alan Hahn]

But I'm saying it was at five.

[Guest Speaker]

Where it started to become guys that.

[Alan Hahn]

Are in the top four. Right. There's Mahomes.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah, Right.

[Alan Hahn]

There was Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and number four is Lamar Jackson. Only one guy in that top four has won a Super Bowl. Only two have gone to a Super Bowl.

[Guest Speaker]

Pro football focus. Since 2022, Jalen Hurts has a 91.5 PFF grade. You know what that ranks among all quarterbacks?

[Alan Hahn]

Not high.

[Guest Speaker]

Fifth, but.

[Alan Hahn]

And who's the other four?

[Guest Speaker]

I don't have the. I don't have the entire list now.

[Alan Hahn]

What was the other thing that was sent to me?

[Guest Speaker]

I mean, that's fifth.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, he's been great. Nobody's disrespecting you.

[Guest Speaker]

So to me, it wasn't the top four that you are. We all agree the top four. The top four. But when you're talking about the list that was put together by the GMs and the coaches from fifth place on, I think you can make an argument at each spot. At each spot, you can make an argument that why are we pushing Jalen Hurts this far down the list when there's other names that I'd say. Hang on a second. Let's debate that. That's all I'm saying. I'm saying that from 5 to 10 is debatable. Or 9 where he was.

[Alan Hahn]

It's debatable, right?

[Guest Speaker]

The top four. Indisputable.

[Alan Hahn]

Doesn't matter what.

[Guest Speaker]

How you do it.

[Alan Hahn]

So what was it?

[Guest Speaker]

Goff?

[Alan Hahn]

Stafford.

[Guest Speaker]

Goff is flawed. Stafford's. Stafford's really good.

[Alan Hahn]

Stafford's really good.

[Guest Speaker]

He's really good.

[Alan Hahn]

Herbert and. Who else was I missing? Who's. Because it was 5, 6, 7, 8. So those. So 4. Who are we missing? Oh, Jaden Daniels, which again, because he's only had one year.

[Guest Speaker]

To me, the only argument with Daniels is it's too soon.

[Alan Hahn]

You can make the case that. But he's got the goods of what they did. He did more to get them to the championship game than probably Hertz did.

[Guest Speaker]

To win the Super Bowl. That game in Detroit, right? Yeah, in Detroit. They were ready to have a party. That place was rocking. And he walked in that place, stared it down and slayed the dragon for that age. That's impressive stuff, man. That's impressive.

[Alan Hahn]

No, that is all I said.

[Guest Speaker]

You can make the art. I didn't say that. You can make a case. 5, 6, 7, 8. You can make a case. That's all I was saying.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Guest Speaker]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

I think the perfect example with how well Hertz fits in with what the Eagles do. He was the Super Bowl MVP and deservedly so. He threw 22 passes. He was 17 at 22, 221 yards, two touchdowns, threw a pick. Of course they won in a blowout and he ran for another 72 yards in a touchdown. So the deserving MVP. But those aren't like the numbers you see a quarterback have because he just doesn't have to do a lot. Doesn't mean he does a lot with his legs though. He does, yeah. 72 yards on the ground a lot with his legs in the 55 to 23 game, 246 yards passing, a touchdown, no interceptions, and he just ran for 16 yards in the win against the Rams. 15 to 20. 128 yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions. Won the game 28, 22. And then the. The Packer game, 13, 21, 131 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions, and he ran for 10, ran for 63 yards in the Ram game. So he is what he is and I don't think anybody has to apologize for, but don't make it out to be something that it's not. But believe me, no Eagle fan should be disappointed with anything and get crazy. I wanted to bring this up because I saw it last night. CNN's got a four part documentary on Live Aid because yesterday was the 40th anniversary of Live Aid and if you're a certain age, 1985, July 13th was a huge day that was unreal in Philadelphia and Wembley Stadium in London and MTV had it covered on both continents. And of course it was all the brainchild of Bob Geldof from the Boomtown Rats who, who saw on BBC News back in 1984 about the famine in Ethiopia and wanted to do something about it. And of course he do. They know it's Christmas time, which was the England version and made tons of money, although not a lot of it ended up going to the relief, unfortunately. And then we did it here in the States.

[Guest Speaker]

We are the world for Africa.

[Alan Hahn]

And then it all came together which is considered one of the greatest concerts of all time. And when you see the venues and just how packed they were and I'm really looking forward to it. So part one was last night kind of see about the making of Do They Know It's Christmas Time and all that and his trip to Ethiopia and all that. And then it's going to kind of get into the concert itself which I can't wait. Now, no offense to cnn, it does get a little dicey watching documentaries on CNN because they will break in with breaking news. So sometimes you don't catch it all. I remember they did, they did an 80s one and like something always would break in and we DVR it and can't get the. Can't See it. We got through yesterday unscathed. So if you DVR'd it, you'll be able to enjoy it. It fun. But again, I don't know how impactful it was to you because you remember, don't you?

[Guest Speaker]

Absolutely.

[Alan Hahn]

It was such a big.

[Guest Speaker]

Everybody was in that. Is that. Now the one at Wembley. I'm trying to remember, because things do blend. Was that Freddie Mercury doing the acapella and having the crowd respond that we see now in the arenas everywhere around the world. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, the movie didn't necessarily do it justice because he didn't know he had AIDS at the time. So they kind of took a little poetic license in the movie. Yeah, but just to see just his voice and see all those people in unison. But it was. And for me, just as a metal guy, you know, Judas Priest performing Led Zeppelin reunited with Phil Collins on drums. Just. It was. And I think Phil Collins, I'm not mistaken. They haven't got to that point in the documentary, but I believe he was one of the guy. One of the acts that was in both places. He was in Philadelphia and then flew across. Remember, because you had the Concord at the time and. No, because quick story. Boy George agreed to do. Do they know it's Christmas?

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And they're all getting together and Boy George isn't there. Bob Galdo calls. Geldof calls and say. And he. He's in New York and he picks up the phone groggy, like he woke him up. He said, we're. We're waiting for you, man. You gotta be here. There's a Concorde. Get on the Concorde and the Concorde, you can get to London, New York, to London, like two hours, like. And he got there like three hours later. And. And he was really tick because I think he just did the one line and he thought he was going to do more. But imagine, we got to bring something like the Concord back, man.

[Guest Speaker]

Whatever happened to that?

[Alan Hahn]

So I don't know. Something happened.

[Guest Speaker]

Didn't know. All right, so we have the. We have the Home Run Derby.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Guest Speaker]

Now, rooting interest for Yankee fans is jazz chisel. Locally, though, James Wood.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, here's why.

[Guest Speaker]

His father is Kenny Wood. Anybody that followed basketball on Long Island, Kenny Wood was a legend. Played at East Hampton High School back in the 80s when I won a state championship there. I actually knew Kenny pretty well. And Kenny's brother and Kenny played at Richmond University. He had a good career. So James's father was a great athlete. His Uncle Howard played in the NBA as well. So there's a lot of, like, you know, a lot of connection there. But locally, again, out for the Bonnekers out there on the East End, like you're, you're cheering for James Wood tonight.

[Alan Hahn]

Now we'll recap it all tomorrow coming up at 3:00'. Clock. And of course, Tuesday is talk about a Tuesday as well. Enjoy the Home Run Derby. Don Hanna, Rosenberg, back with you Again tomorrow at 3:00' clock here on ESPN New York.

[Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Guest Speaker]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good.

[Rosenberg]

Hear more of Don Allen and Pet Theater weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Guest Speaker]

I decided I wanted to have one of the most organized goodbyes in history, and I think I will be successful.

[Alan Hahn]

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