Hour 4: Jets Expectations

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg | Hour 4: Jets Expectations

Date: August 21, 2025
Host(s): Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Main Theme: In this episode, the crew dives deep into the upcoming Jets season, weighing Chris Canty’s recent takes on Justin Fields and Aaron Glenn, and debating New York sports expectations—particularly for the Jets, Mets, and Yankees.

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1. Overview of Episode Theme

The central discussion in this hour revolves around the New York Jets’ 2025 outlook, with particular attention to the impact of their new quarterback, Justin Fields, and new head coach, Aaron Glenn. The hosts analyze national commentary (Chris Canty) on what kind of team the Jets can realistically be, expressing skepticism, curiosity, and cautious hope. The conversation is interspersed with their characteristic banter, musical references, and quick pivots to baseball, all in their easygoing, sarcastic style.

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2. Key Discussion Points & Insights

A. Chris Canty’s Take: Is the Ground-and-Pound Jets Offense a Formula for Success?

• Chris Canty’s theory: Aaron Glenn wants a conservative offense led by Justin Fields, emphasizing heavy run and defense, not air attacks.

  “In an ideal world, he's going to be able to run the ball 30 times a game and…rely on his defense to keep games close…” (Chris Canty, 05:02)

• Key Point: Canty doesn’t predict a winning record, but believes the Jets will be “hard to beat”—a notable shift from recent seasons.

B. Skepticism & Breakdown by Don and Jacob

• Skepticism on the offense:
  • Don questions whether Justin Fields’ run-first style can succeed if opponents stack the box and force him to throw.
  • Don doubts Fields’ accuracy and the depth of the Jets receiving corps (noting only Garrett Wilson stands out).
  • Don further questions if the defense is genuinely improved or just widely assumed.

  “Fields is not the best as far as an accurate thrower… I just don't know what the Jets are going to be.” (Don Hahn, 05:38)

• Coaching discipline:
  • The hosts underscore the Jets’ chronic penalty problem, with the new staff focusing on discipline and attention to detail, even bringing in referees to training camp.

  “Being disciplined. Attention to detail. I respect all of that. I just don't know…when you talk about the jets looking good. What. What is it? I'm not seeing it here.” (Don Hahn, 07:08)

C. Is Justin Fields Truly the Difference?

• The panel agrees: the entire season hinges on Fields dramatically outperforming his historical self.
  • Jacob: “For there to be an improvement…Justin Fields will have to be better than he's ever been…by a long shot.” (09:24)
  • Don expresses both weary resignation and curiosity, admitting it’s a “season…watching with curiosity, but really not a lot of emotion.” (08:58)
• Depth & risk:
  • If Fields falters or is injured, the QB alternatives are uninspiring (Tyrod Taylor, Adrian Martinez).
• Lack of weaponry:
  • Alan Lazard as WR2 is noted with irony; the hosts recall he was only added for Rodgers.
  • Jacob: “If Justin Fields does not turn out to be…special…this is a nightmare throwaway season.” (10:30)
• Draft implications:
  • The possibility of “tanking” for a generational QB (Arch Manning) is raised if Fields underwhelms.

D. Baseball Update – Mets Collapse, Yankees-Red Sox Pressure

• Mets: Another bullpen meltdown against the Nationals; ongoing disappointment for fans.

  “You can’t lose to the Nationals, man.” (Don Hahn, 15:33) “Don’t you doubt them. They can absolutely lose to the Nationals.” (Jacob Rosenberg, 15:37)

• Yankees:
  • Importance of beating the Red Sox for momentum and confidence.
  • The psychological edge (“mental hurdle”) of facing Boston is dissected, echoing prior themes of sport’s intangibles.

  “This series has got to have juice from the Yankee perspective. Richard, thank you. Like, Peter, like, if I'm watching anything tonight…it’s just to see, are the Yankees taking this personal?” (Don Hahn, 19:02)

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3. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Chris Canty on the Jets’ offensive philosophy:

  “He doesn't want a quarterback that's going to go out there and throw for 4,000 yards…he's going to be able to run the ball 30 times a game and…rely on his defense...” (05:02)

• Don Hahn’s realism:

  “I just don't know what the Jets are going to be…But here's a little more Canty about the Jets. He believes they're going to look good this year.” (05:38)

• Jacob Rosenberg on Fields’ needed improvement:

  “Justin Fields will have to be better than he's ever been in his career by a long shot…So for that to be a really impactful change, we'll need to see a great version of Justin Field.” (09:24)

• Don, emotionally fatigued as a Jets fan:

  “I’m watching with curiosity, but really not a lot of emotion.” (08:58)

• Jacob on offensive weaponry:

  “Alan Lazard is your number two wide receiver. They were trying to…get rid of him.” (10:15)

• Baseball gallows humor:

  “You beat them 8:1 in the first game of the series. And then you just lose yesterday…this is a bad look for the Mets.” (Don Hahn, 15:33) “Don't you doubt them. They can absolutely lose to the Nationals.” (Jacob Rosenberg, 15:37)

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4. Timestamps for Important Segments

• 05:02 – Chris Canty's assessment of the Jets and Fields' fit
• 05:38 – Don and Jacob weigh in, casting doubt on the Jets' new look
• 07:08 – Discussion on the coaching focus on penalties and discipline
• 08:58-09:52 – Debate on whether Justin Fields can be a transformative QB for the Jets
• 10:30-11:16 – Contemplating the “tanking” scenario for a top QB if Fields struggles
• 14:19-15:39 – Mets bullpen disaster and typical Mets banter
• 19:02-20:08 – Yankees vs. Red Sox: the mental aspect, importance of the series, and looking for “juice”

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5. Additional Segments: Music & Pop Culture Banter

• Short arguments over Huey Lewis & the News vs. Hall & Oates (“Hall & Oates is significantly better…” - Jacob, 13:59) provide the episode’s easy comic relief and classic sports radio flavor.

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6. Tone & Style

The conversation flows in the laid-back, wisecrack-heavy, “true New Yorker” style. The hosts are candid—alternating between skeptical, jaded, and hopeful—but rarely sentimental. Sarcasm, dry humor, and a touch of self-deprecation keep the analysis lively and relatable.

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7. Closing Thoughts

The episode paints a picture of Jets fans and New York sports followers as both exhausted by false hope and eager for genuine progress. The season, as the hosts see it, is a test for both Justin Fields and Jets management—one that could lead to long-awaited improvement or, yet again, to starting over.

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For New York fans, “Jets Expectations” is a must-listen if you want unvarnished talk, solid analysis, and a healthy dose of gallows humor.

Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

There it is. That's called music, folks.

[Don Hahn]

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

Just not terrible.

[Don Hahn]

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Richard]

Yeah, not.

[Don Hahn]

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

All right, Anthony, talk to me. All right.

[Don Hahn]

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

Too much news on that one.

[Don Hahn]

A little too much news. I like Huey, we love you.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

But the news, the fake news.

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

You said you wanted to talk to us about Chris Canty and Justin Fields.

[Don Hahn]

Canty had a very interesting take about Justin Fields. I don't know. I need to know the basis of this take, so let's hear him explain it.

[Chris Canty]

From unsportsmanlike I think Justin Fields ends up being the guy for the New York jets because of how Aaron Glenn wants to play. He doesn't want a quarterback that's going to go out there and throw for 4,000 yards. He's not going to ask Justin Fields to drop back to throw 30 times a game. In an ideal world, he's going to be able to run the ball 30 times a game and he's going to be able to rely on his defense to keep games close. Make them one possession in the fourth quarter and they'll figure out a way to win once they get to that point. Now, do I think the jets will end up with a winning record? I don't think so. But I do think the jets are going to make themselves really hard to beat, which is a departure from what we've seen from them over the last half decade.

[Don Hahn]

I don't, I don't know where this is coming from. I don't. They're going to be a running team. Yes. They have some definite talent in the backfield, no question. Barelyn Allen's really good. Breeze hall we know is good. Justin Fields can run and they're probably going to use all of that. Teams that are good against the run are going to obviously force them to throw. And Garrett Wilson is really the only true. I mean, I guess they have some receivers, but Fields is not the best as far as an accurate thrower. So he's really not going to throw you. I don't see it. And honestly I don't know what their defense is going to be either. What's better about their defense? So I don't know what the jets are going to be. Now their schedule is much different than the Giants and that might help them. But here's a little more canty about the Jets. He believes they're going to look good this year.

[Chris Canty]

I think the jets offense is going to be just fine. It's going to be ground and pound. They're going to be a lot of checkdowns, but they're going to feature the running backs as ball carriers and as pass catchers. And you can win football games in this league so long as you avoid the self inflicted wounds. That means penalties, turnovers and negative plays. Last year the jets were the second most penalized team in the league. The last half decade they're the second most penalized team in the league. That has to stop under Aaron Glenn. If they do, then this New York jets offense will be just fine putting together enough scoring drives to make sure they're competitive this year.

[Don Hahn]

So a team that was notorious for self inflicted wounds is going to Stop doing that. And you would think it's all based on coaching. Right? And that's something that Glenn did address at the very beginning, that he was very aware that this team took a lot of penalties and they focused heavily in training camp and making sure that was going to get fixed. In fact, he had officials in even in their seven on sevens. Any reason to call penalty, they would call them and he would make sure they understood. Like, this has got to stop. Being disciplined. Attention to detail. I respect all of that. I just don't know. When you talk about the jets looking good. What. What is it? I'm not seeing it here.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

What could that exactly be?

[Don Hahn]

Grounded pound sounds nice. Until you realize that you have, you know, 13 points in the fourth quarter and your offense, you know, like you still got to get down the field and three yards in a cloud of dust. It. Again, it all sounds nice, but I just don't know if there's just enough here. What has changed? How much more have they gotten off of last year's team? Aside from. I think the difference is Justin Fields. What can he be? Well, we already saw he was decent early on with Pittsburgh, but how quick were they to move on from him, go to Russ and then never go back? And then, of course, you know, Chicago decided that he wasn't worth the time to continue to develop. They had the number one pick and they went and got a new quarterback. So I think this whole season rides on what Justin Fields becomes for them. I.

[Chris Canty]

That's.

[Don Hahn]

That's most intrigue I have in the jets. And I, again, I, I'm a Jets fan. I've been rooting for the jets my whole life. And this is one of those seasons that I'm sort of. I'm watching with curiosity, but really not a lot of emotion. Not a lot of emotion.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

It's. It's the idea that you said the big thing that changed is Justin Fields.

[Don Hahn]

I think so. And on the coach, obviously.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Well, of course, for Justin Fields to be. For there to be an improvement at quarterback from last year to this year, Justin Fields will have to be better than he's ever been in his career by a long shot. And again, you know, I wasn't with Aaron Rodgers last year, but look at the numbers he put up. Justin's never had anything approximating those numbers. So for that to be a really impactful change, we'll need to see a great version of Justin Field.

[Don Hahn]

And by the way, if he gets, you know, banged up at all, even a little bit. Who's your quarterback? Tyrod Taylor, who gets hurt a lot too. Adrian Martinez, like, you know, you know what I mean? Like, there's just, I'm trying to figure it out. Like Alan Lazard is your number two wide receiver. They were trying to all they could to get rid of him. Yeah.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

He was only there in the first place because of Rogers.

[Don Hahn]

It's, that's like, it's just important in this, in today's game, your offense has to have weapons, has to have the ability to score. And the jets have had a major issue with scoring.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

If even with Rogers, if Justin Fields does not turn out to be a better, more dynamic, more consistent version of Justin Fields, if he's not like special, if Aaron Glenn, if they don't find something in him that we've never seen before. And like I've said, I do believe that there's a ceiling potentially for Justin Fields. If that doesn't happen, though. Oh, this is a nightmare throwaway season.

[Don Hahn]

Well, then, yeah, then you know it is. And then you find yourself looking for one next year. Yeah. Hoping that Arch. Yeah, Arch Matting decides he is going to leave.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Which, by the way, which is why you better figure out, you better get an idea of what you think of Fields pretty quick because no need to win meaningless games if you have nothing there when a potentially generational quarterback will be sitting at one.

[Don Hahn]

What an awful place to be. But you know, but you're not wrong.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

The Rascal Flats. That's a good place.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Jacob Rosenberg]

Did you hear the news, by the way, that quietly hall and Oates settled their differences?

[Don Hahn]

I did not, but I. I did know that there was a little bit of falling out. I didn't know that that that hall became like, you know, like, he not flips houses, but he got very much into renovations and home improvement and stuff. Like it was. Became a passion of his.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I did not know that.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he had a great eye for. For, you know, not fashion, but. What would you describe, like, home design? Yeah, yeah. And he's got a really good eye for it. So. By the way, there's. You talk about say no Go, right? Was that. That was. Wasn't that sampled in say no Go?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Right. And. And that's another great song from the. That's not yacht rock, but still it is. You think that's rock, that song?

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Hollow Notes. I think Hollow Notes. Entire catalog is Blue Eyed Soul. And now.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Yeah, Yeah, I do.

[Don Hahn]

All right. So while I did not really love Huey Lewis in the news, calling Oates, though, very much high on the list.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Well, hall and Oates is significantly better than Huey Lewis.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Voice wise, writing wise, I think in every.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I completely agree. Hey, game time's brought to you by Tulla Mardu Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time.

[Richard]

Yeah, it's time.

[Don Hahn]

If you're a Mets fan, you really need a telly time right now. Bottom of the eighth in Washington. Two outs. The Mets have three runs. They were leading three nothing in this game. The score now is nine to three. Nationals. This has been another bullpen blowout.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

When you brought this up earlier, oh, boy. I literally said, this is a perfect. What did I say? You brought it up. And I went, oh, it sounds like the perfect setup for them to blow.

[Don Hahn]

And they certainly did. This is so mania. Mania was, you know, getting the first three, you know, innings, not so bad. Gave a burn in the fourth. It could. He just couldn't get out of the fifth. Gave up three runs there. And so down for three. The bullpen comes in and Rogers gives up a run, and then Stanek Comes in and I don't know a Met fan that likes to see when Stanick comes in a game, Jake shaking his head. He looks. He looks just absolutely disgusted right now. And he just gave up four runs in the eighth. So that's like. Think about it. You can't lose to the Nationals, man.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

You should not be losing.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, but you shouldn't be losing these games.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Don't you doubt them? They can absolutely lose to the Nationals.

[Don Hahn]

You beat them 8:1 in the first game of the series. And then you just lose yesterday. Last night, they, you know, blowing that game. But then, oh, man, this is a bad look for the Mets. Bad look, all right? But the Yankees, they open a series with the Red Sox at 7:15 in the Bronx. And the Liberty hosts the links at 7 as well. In WNBA action, Telemardu is the original triple distilled, triple blended, triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Telemore due or try the new Tullamore Dew Honey, during today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tillamore do responsibly.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

All right, let's do it. I teased it. You can't just tease, Dick. You got to do it.

[Don Hahn]

Richard.

[Richard]

Hi, Peter. Hi, Alan. Do you know the only time the New Orleans Saints took a quarterback in the first round? Archie Manning. 1971.

[Don Hahn]

53.

[Richard]

54 years later, they still never have taken a quarterback in the first round.

[Don Hahn]

They don't need to. They're gonna need to.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

That is so wild. That's a crazy.

[Richard]

You know what's ironic? Yesterday, fellas, the three relief pitches for the Yankees weren't good at all. Weaver, Bednar and Williams. And they still won the game.

[Don Hahn]

Weaver did. Didn't he strike out the side the first?

[Richard]

Yeah, because he gave up the run.

[Don Hahn]

And then he gave up the run. Right, the one, the home run. He gave up.

[Richard]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And obviously Bednar was not good.

[Richard]

Yeah, they weren't good. None of the three. The Met 3 relievers were very good. Almost perfect. Rogers, Soto and Garrett. And they lost the game. So explain that.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that was last night. Today, not so much.

[Richard]

Well, now, that's right. And Alan, they got to do something in baseball, change this rule. You know who got credited for the win for yesterday's Yankee game? I don't understand how Bednar gets the win.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I agree.

[Richard]

Because the score was tied two runs in the. Yeah, in the night.

[Don Hahn]

But he left with a.

[Richard]

Win because Weaver came in the. Williams came in the 10th. So Bednar is the pitcher of record. I. I know. I don't understand.

[Don Hahn]

That's bizar. It's too bad Schlitler pitched so well. That's so beautiful.

[Richard]

Hands of the official scorer. When it's something stupid or chaotic like this. This is ridiculous.

[Don Hahn]

It didn't make sense.

[Richard]

No, it happens a lot, too. It happens five times a season to teams. It's ridiculous. Well, I think. I mean, it's subjective. I agree, but still, this is so obvious. A release teacher's not going to argue. It's not like, you know, the batter looking at the official score saying that it's not a hit or it's a hit. It's not an error. Isn't it? This is something that's so obvious. Anyway, Ton, if the Yankees lose all that goodwill they've put up this past week or two, it's going to go right down the drain.

[Don Hahn]

If they lose tonight, you think just tonight.

[Richard]

Well, here's the reason, Alan. It'll put a little doubt in them that they can't beat Boston. So that's why tonight's game is huge. If they win tonight, they can lose the next two and then win on Sunday and we're okay. Tonight is the big game because this is the game. You don't want them to have any negative thoughts. Even if they lose the next two after winning tonight, I still would feel okay with the Sunday game. They lose tonight, I think their confidence is going to be shot. All the goodwill that they've achieved this past week goes down the drain and they're going to keep thinking that they can't beat Boston going in tomorrow. And then.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's the mental stuff that we talked with Jeff Nelson about right. Earlier in the show, and he agreed, too, there is some type of a mental edge or a mental hurdle to get over with this Red Sox team that is now going into tonight's games 5 and 1. I got to say, though, guys, I. Getting in at 5am I've done this. And then you got to play like they've got to play now. Luis Steel, there's no excuse for him. He was in New York. Like, he. He wasn't on that flight. So he's should be locked in and focused and, you know, start needing him to be what he was last year. This is one of those stopper type of games. You need to get out of your starter because, you know, it might take a couple of innings to get the bats going to get the. The body charged back up. But I. This series has got to have juice from the Yankee perspective. Richard, thank you. Like, Peter, like, if I'm watching anything tonight is in and Jeff Nelson said it is just to see are the Yankees taking this personal? Not serious, because of course they are. But I just want to feel like.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

There'S a little problem. Personal's their problem.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, like a little extra juice. Because exactly what Richard said. Like let's, let's let this team know. Like that was, that was two months ago. It's not happening anymore. We're a different team now. We're rolling and it's going to, you know, they want to set a message now. They could lose tonight. I'm not saying that that's a devastating loss, but they've got to then win the next three. Three out of four to me is the only way to come out of this weekend feeling good. If you come out two and two, you feel fine, but not great. I need three out of four.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

Well, tomorrow we'll have a lot to get into because we'll have that game tonight, which I'm at now. Alan has convinced me to actually care about my man. Hopefully there's a storyline there, the beginning of something. I'm not going to lie to you and say I want to talk about another Mets debacle tomorrow, but I'm sure it'll come up. And also I do think it'll be interesting if Jackson dart is amazing tonight or lays an egg. Both would be very interesting to discuss tomorrow. So we'll get you to the weekend tomorrow starting at 3:00pm right here. Alan, have a great night. You too, Jacob Anthony, thanks. See you tomorrow. 3.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Jacob Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the.

[Don Hahn]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.