Hour 4: Last Call Crew

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast – "Hour 4: Last Call Crew"

ESPN New York | March 30, 2026
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Notable Absence: Don La Greca (absent this hour)

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Episode Overview

This lively hour of "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" delivers classic New York sports talk, headlined by debates over Yankees and Mets legacies, the true meaning of "clutch" in baseball, and reflections on iconic sports moments. With Don La Greca out, Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg take the reins, teasing playoff pushes, weighing player greatness, and embracing their signature blend of banter and passionate fan engagement. The "Last Call Crew," a series of knowledgeable and enthusiastic callers, opens up discussions that veer from baseball heroes to famous basketball buzzer-beaters, with the hosts providing bracing, sometimes irreverent hot takes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NHL & MLB Playoff Races [00:38–02:27]

• Hockey Hype:
  • Islanders vs. Penguins at UBS Arena: Crucial game with standings implications—Islanders (89 points), Penguins (88).
  • Push for the playoffs invoked classic New York sports passion:
    "All like you dream about at UBS. Big game. Big game." —Peter Rosenberg [00:40]
  • Rangers vs. Devils programming reminder: Only on the ESPN New York app.
• Baseball Tonight:
  • Yankees @ Mariners (9:40 PM first pitch)
  • Mets vs. Cardinals covered on ESPN following the show.

2. "Top 5 Yankees and Mets of the Century" Debate [02:27–07:54]

Caller Steve’s Suggestion [02:27]:

• Suggests Don (when he returns) do a "Top 5 Yankees and Mets" since 2000, excluding all-time greats like Ruth, Gehrig, and DiMaggio.

Hosts’ Live Attempt at the Yankees List:

• Locks:
  • CC Sabathia
  • Derek Jeter
  • Mariano Rivera
  • Aaron Judge
  • Alex Rodriguez (A-Rod)
• Criteria Questions:
  • "He can't be considered a top Yankee ever...because he hasn't won." —Caller Steve on Judge [04:22]
  • Judge’s greatness, but legacy is questioned for not winning a championship (yet):
    "His career is not over yet." —Co-host [05:01]
  • Jeter vs. Judge: Debate of rings and intangibles vs. individual performance.
• "Mount Rushmore" / All-Time Status:
  • Discussion on whether Judge could surpass Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio, or even Yogi Berra.
  • "Can you put him ahead of DiMaggio?... No." —Peter Rosenberg [05:17]
  • "I think that stuff does matter. It’s a superficial conversation...based on opinion, of course." —Hahn [05:50]
• Relievers’ Greatness:
  • Rivera’s place as perhaps the most clutch Yankee in history. "Is there a closer in history?... No." —Peter Rosenberg & Hahn [07:51–07:52]
• Summary:
  • Judge is easily a top-5 Yankee of the 21st century, but not on the franchise’s all-time, no-question list.

3. Between the Lines: Mets Fandom & Diaz’s Entrance [10:09–13:40]

• Host Preferences:
  • Peter admits a Mets lean due to his Orioles roots: "In my fraud baseball fanship, I lean more Mets." —Peter Rosenberg [10:11]
  • Mets seen as "more blue collar" and "entertaining."
• Ballpark Spectacle:
  • Dodgers’ live trumpet for Edwin Diaz’s entrance praised as "badass."
    • "Did you guys see how fire the Dodgers made Diaz's entrance?" —Rosenberg [10:35]
  • Comparison to Citi Field and riff on the gig of playing live trumpet at every home game: "What's your job? Oh, I play the trumpet." —Hahn [12:14]
• Diaz’s Departure:
  • Discussion on how painful it could be for Mets fans if Diaz stars for the Dodgers in the playoffs after leaving NY. "Do you know how brutal it would be to get to, like, the NLCS...and then he comes out...Oh yeah, we gave this guy up." —Peter Rosenberg [12:40]
  • Emphasis Diaz left by choice, open door for potential return.

4. Legendary Players vs. Championships [17:39–21:17]

Caller Matt’s Observation:

• Many top modern baseball legends haven’t won a World Series: Barry Bonds, Aaron Judge, Ken Griffey Jr., Ichiro, Mike Trout.
• A-Rod and Pujols considered exceptions for changing teams to chase titles.
• Jeter is great but not on the pure "legend" level if lacking championships. "But these guys are at a different talent level." —Caller Matt [18:58]

Hosts' Response:

• Alan Hahn contrasts with NBA dynasties—many MLB titles also go to a handful of franchises, but individual role is different in baseball. "In baseball...you could be the best pitcher, you could be the best hitter...but you could be a great cornerback. Darrelle Revis was never winning until he ended up on New England. That’s how it works." —Peter Rosenberg [21:03]
• Emphasis: Baseball is less an individual "winner’s sport" than basketball; greatness ≠ guaranteed rings.

5. "Greatest College Basketball Buzzers" Mini-Debate [21:17–23:24]

• Caller Tim: Challenges the idea that Christian Laettner's shot is the greatest college buzzer-beater, props Kris Jenkins's title-winning Villanova shot as equal/greater.
• Hosts Reference TV Coverage:
  • Recap of Greenberg’s "Get Up" debate — Laettner vs. Jenkins.
  • Execution and drama of Jenkins play praised: "You talk about execution at the highest level... the exact thing happens at the right time and everything worked out perfectly and the shot goes in." —Hahn [22:37]
• Signature Banter:
  • "I enjoyed it." —Peter Rosenberg [23:24]
  • "Donnie will be back tomorrow. Have a great night, everybody." —Hahn [23:26]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• "All like you dream about at UBS. Big game. Big game."
  —Peter Rosenberg [00:40]
• "He can't be considered a top Yankee ever...because he hasn't won."
  —Caller Steve [04:22]
• "Can you put him ahead of Ruth? ...Can you put him ahead of DiMaggio? No."
  —Peter Rosenberg [05:11, 05:20]
• "Judge is a better player than Jeter...That's your argument. But Jeter has won many champions, so do you put Jeter ahead on that list?"
  —Hahn [06:52]
• "Is there a closer in history? ...No."
  —Peter Rosenberg & Hahn [07:51–07:52]
• "In my fraud baseball fanship, I lean more Mets."
  —Peter Rosenberg [10:11]
• "What's your job? Oh, I play the trumpet."
  —Hahn [12:14]
• "Do you know how brutal it would be to get to, like, the NLCS...and then he comes out...Oh yeah, we gave this guy up."
  —Peter Rosenberg [12:40]
• "But these guys are at a different talent level."
  —Caller Matt [18:58]
• "You could be the best pitcher, you could be the best hitter...But you could be a great cornerback. Darrelle Revis was never winning until he ended up on New England. That's how it works."
  —Peter Rosenberg [21:03]
• "This won a title, and it was a perfectly...You talk about execution at the highest level... the shot goes in."
  —Hahn [22:37]
• "I enjoyed it."
  —Peter Rosenberg [23:24]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• NHL/MLB Playoff Stakes & Announcements: [00:38–02:27]
• Top-5 Yankees and Mets since 2000 Debate: [02:27–07:54]
• Diaz, Mets-Fandom, Ballpark Atmosphere: [10:09–13:40]
• "Legendary without Championships" MLB debate: [17:39–21:17]
• Laettner vs. Jenkins Buzzer-Beater Discussion: [21:17–23:24]

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Final Impressions

This episode stands out for its seamless balance of listener participation and expert opinion, spinning familiar New York sports debates with humor and candor. The discussions about what it truly means to be “great” in sports—whether clutch, statistical, or simply iconic—will resonate with longtime fans and casual listeners alike. There's also a trademark blending of current events (playoff races, game broadcasts) and evergreen barroom arguments ("rings vs. talent" or "the best buzzer-beater ever?"), all with a knowing, New York sensibility.

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For callers, fans, and sports obsessives, this hour’s a prime example of what makes the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg brand a fixture in tri-state sports radio.

Transcript

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[Caller Steve]

Hi guys. Thanks for taking the call. I have a suggestion. When Don gets back, okay? And that is. And that is a top five of the Yankees and the Mets. Not all time. I'm talking about with all the stuff about Jeter not being clutch compared to, I mean the Jeter judge not being clutch, et cetera, et cetera. Have him do a top five of the top five Yankees. The top five Mets over the. Since 2000.

[Host Rosenberg]

Since 2000.

[Caller Steve]

Only since 2000. Forget about Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, man.

[Host Rosenberg]

Just modern era this century. Metz and Yank this century.

[Caller Steve]

Just keep it to that.

[Host Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Caller Steve]

Because you'll never. Because I'm an old guy, right. I'll never give up on Mantle and all those other guys. But you should do one. He should do one. One week on the Yankees or one week on the Mets. Just my programming suggestion. Okay, thank you very much. And have a happy holiday.

[Host Rosenberg]

Okay, well, happy holiday. I mean, I'm equipped to do this.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

I think you are. I don't know why he's looking right past you.

[Host Rosenberg]

That's the thing. I don't like Anthony. You were alive during the 21st century, right?

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

Last I checked.

[Host Rosenberg]

So you could do this too. Do you want to, want to try a little top five Yankees of the 21st century? Yeah, sure.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

I think we could do it.

[Host Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Why not?

[Host Rosenberg]

Cece Sabathia. That's an easy one.

[Caller Steve]

Sure.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

It's right there for you.

[Host Rosenberg]

All right. That's a wheelhouse one. Easy does Derek Jeter. I feel like Derek Sanderson. Jeter did play.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

I feel like Jeter and Rivera have

[Host Rosenberg]

to count a majority of it. So. So, so he's in there. Mo is in there.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

Guess what judge is in there?

[Host Rosenberg]

A rod.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

A rod's probably in there, right?

[Host Rosenberg]

Gotta be a rod and judge. A rod. I mean, how could not be judged.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

The point that Steve was making was like he can't be considered. Which he didn't say to you guys was the judge can't be considered a top Yankee ever.

[Host Rosenberg]

All time Yankee.

[Caller Steve]

Right.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

Because he hasn't won.

[Host Rosenberg]

Well, it's. That does come with it though, when you're a, when you're a Yankee, he

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

might end up going down as one of the greatest, if not the greatest right handed hitter of all time.

[Host Rosenberg]

Right.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

So it'd be interesting if he didn't end up near the top five New York Yankees.

[Host Rosenberg]

This is where a lot of people have got to just chill the hell out when it comes to the judge conversation. If we're having an honest conversation and you're talking all time, meaning 100 years of Yankee baseball, don't you think that whether or not he has a World Series championship. Should matter when you're comparing him to the careers of others who do have championship or championships. Am I wrong or right to say

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

no, but his career is not over yet.

[Host Rosenberg]

It's not over yet, but yet. You can't say he'll never be compared. But right now I don't.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

As we live and breathe.

[Host Rosenberg]

Well, can you put him ahead of Ruth? Can you put him ahead of Garrick? Can you put him ahead of Mantle? No. Can you put him ahead of DiMaggio?

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

Answer all those questions is probably no.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

But that's not even just the World Series.

[Host Rosenberg]

Now, you could argue, well, they played in a different league in a different time and all this stuff, that's. That you can't fault those guys for that. The situation they were in. They dominated, right? They dominated. So I'm trying to think, but are

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

any of those players not ahead of him, even without the World Series numbers wise? So, like, DiMaggio's ahead of him regardless? No. Or is it. You're not saying it's the champion.

[Host Rosenberg]

You got to go with numbers.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

All right, Mantle's ahead of him.

[Host Rosenberg]

To me, the only comparison is first 10 seasons. Right. For all of them, like, he's almost there. You know, what went after that. But I do think, though, playing in big moments, playing in the big games, coming through with big hits, all those things, I think that stuff does matter. And first of all, this is a superficial conversation. This is not based on any type of fact. It's based on opinion, of course. And so I think the majority of opinion would be that he does not replace any of the four names I just gave you. Is there a fifth name that we can consider that he couldn't pass? Is it Yogi? Is it can't be. Reggie wasn't here long enough.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's not Reggie Jackson.

[Host Rosenberg]

Judge is ahead of. Are we looking for pitchers? Are we talking about Whitey Ford? Are we talking about Guidry? Are we talking, like, are we looking there? Is there anybody other than Jeter that you could say goes ahead of Judge? Because, I mean, the argument is Judge is a better player than Jeter.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Well, let's not start this.

[Host Rosenberg]

But. No, no, but I'm saying that's your argument. But Jeter has won many champions, so do you put Jeter ahead on that list? Is that the guy that replaces him like this? This is what he's. This is what he wanted to do. We did the. There's no way Judge isn't on the top five of the 21st century. But all time Yankees. We have four that he's not replacing. Is there a fifth?

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

I'm forgetting, did you say Mariano?

[Host Rosenberg]

I did not say Mo on the all time Yankee list.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Stuff you're talking about maybe the most important player, most clutch player in the. You could argue during the biggest moment arguably of the history of the franchise, wouldn't you say?

[Host Rosenberg]

Like how clutch was he? Even though he was caught in two moments where he wasn't clutch 97 and obviously 2001. But in other situations he was.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Well, listen, you can't Every moment of a career. Is there a closer in history?

[Host Rosenberg]

No.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Who didn't?

[Host Rosenberg]

No.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

That's sometimes nobody.

[Host Rosenberg]

That was perfect.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

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[Host Peter Rosenberg]

You know, forced to choose. I'm.

[Caller Tim]

I'm.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

I prefer the Mets to the Yankees.

[Host Rosenberg]

Right.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

In my fraud baseball fanship, I lean more Mets. I follow the Mets a bit more. I don't follow them now.

[Host Rosenberg]

Why can I ask, is it. They're more entertaining? They're more like.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Just a little more blue collar.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

He was an Orioles fan at one point.

[Host Rosenberg]

Yeah, maybe that'll do it.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I was. Well, no, and if the Orioles. I. The Orioles would still be my top team. And there's the Ales. I just can't. The Yankees are the Yankees.

[Host Rosenberg]

I get it.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

You know, I get it. But. So I don't like to clown the Mets and the Mets have done a good job. Did you guys see how fire the Dodgers made Diaz's entrance?

[Host Rosenberg]

Oh man. Did you see?

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[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

I saw people like panic.

[Caller Steve]

What?

[Host Rosenberg]

What? Yes, we have it. Can we call it like teemo version of what? Well, it's not Timmy Trumpet in a bunch of people. Who is it? No, it's not Timmy Trumpet. It's an act trumpet. They got a human playing the trumpet. Plastic trumpet. Give me a break. That was badass, right? Totally badass.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, hold on, hold on real quick. The Timmy Trumpet was a song and they played the song in the building.

[Host Rosenberg]

Yeah, the.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

The Dodgers hired a musician who played to play it live. And then not only that, the way the lights go out and the whole. It just feels electric.

[Host Rosenberg]

Citi Field did that too, but that just. It hit big. Take a listen. Gonna sound the same.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

The live playing.

[Host Rosenberg]

This is a live musician.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Different.

[Host Rosenberg]

It also looks different when the director cuts to it. Yeah, and it's not Mr. Met.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

They're gonna do that every game?

[Host Rosenberg]

Why not?

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I would think so.

[Host Rosenberg]

Would you? If you were a trumpet player and they said, hey, I'm not knocking you to every game. And just in case he comes out.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

You play realistically.

[Host Rosenberg]

I get to go to every home game. Yeah, I'm good.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Real. They're spending 250 bucks 80 times a year to have her probably there. Hey, you're going to be there. You might do nothing, you might never work, but you might play one song.

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What's your job? Oh, I play the trumpet.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Don't get too drunk. Don't get too drunk. You need to be able to play the song.

[Host Rosenberg]

It's like Dodger down eight, nothing.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

She's doing the nine dogs, nine beers thing.

[Host Rosenberg]

I know I'm not going to be playing this trumpet. So what the hell is it wasted? And then it's like all of a sudden it's nine, eight, Dodgers.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

I thought it looked awesome and sounds better come out.

[Host Rosenberg]

It did. It was great. Why wouldn't you like something like that? I don't know.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

In retrospect, there is a scenario here that we didn't talk about a lot. Do you realize that if the Mets do what the Mets should do based on who they, like, have on paper, they were to actually compete in a real way in the nl, Which I think is possible. Do you know how brutal it would be to get to, like, the nlcs? And then he comes out and then you remember. Oh, yeah. We gave this guy up. We got to deal with him right now.

[Host Rosenberg]

Oh, my. They didn't give him up.

[Caller Matt]

No.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

He wanted to go. He did. He did. He did.

[Host Rosenberg]

And he also left the door open to come back one day because his whole thing was. Yeah, this is a fling. I've always wanted to do this. I'm gonna do this for my family. I'll come back.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

He did say in the meantime, though, almost nasty could happen in the meantime.

[Host Rosenberg]

But he almost suggested that he went to the Dodgers because it was one of those things. Yeah. Like, I've always wanted to do this. This is my one chance to do it. So I thought, let me go for it. I could be back. I'd love to be back, but I need this right now.

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How you doing? You guys got me?

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Yeah, we got you. What are you noticing?

[Caller Matt]

Yeah so real quick thing I've noticed there's a couple exceptions to this. I think you'll get the gist of it. Look in recent like modern day baseball I'll go from pretty much you know 1990 on there there's been you know a handful of what I would consider not just hall of Famers but legendary players. Legendary and a lot and I I'm saying like top of the line, top level and when out of those players there's not a lot of them five of them did never one World Series or having yet I'll give you a quick example. Barry Bonds, Aaron Judge, Ken Griffey Jr. Ichiro and Mike Trout the only and I'll add two more to the list that did win but I find it interesting it was honey and a rod. They pulled the Kevin Durant they went to the they went to a superpower team and they ended up winning. Okay the only two I could think of that one purely on their own one of the little before the 90s is Ricky Henderson and Albert Pujols. Those are the only two what I consider legendary. Yeah so obviously I'm a huge Yankee fan but like for example with Jeter. Jeter is legendary. He's a great player but legendary with the World Series. He's not the same kind of player as these guys without he's a great all time hall of Fame player. I'm not arguing that. But these guys are at a different town level.

[Host Rosenberg]

But if I gave. Here's the thing, Matt. If I gave you this example that I've seen used a lot in the NBA since 1980, it's like the same group of teams that won all the championships for the majority of mother than a couple of one offs which lately of course we've had more one offs but it's been like, I think it's like six or seven different franchises that have won the majority of the championships in the last 40 years in baseball. You could kind of last 30 years in baseball. It's kind of been the same teams as well, hasn't it?

[Caller Matt]

I don't know if it's in the scenes.

[Host Rosenberg]

I mean, maybe I got Giants, Red Sox, Yankees.

[Caller Steve]

Interesting.

[Host Rosenberg]

You've had a couple of one offs. Braves.

[Caller Matt]

The thing I've noticed about those teams is they all have great players. Don't get me wrong, but I'll give you a perfect example. The Braves have won. The Dodgers have won. The new. One of the core people of the most those teams is Freddie Freeman. Freddie Freeman's a great gun. Go the hall of Fame. He's a great player.

[Host Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Caller Matt]

Is he on the same level as these guys?

[Caller Steve]

He's not, no.

[Host Rosenberg]

I get that. But I think the. Look, you're making a good point as far as like the observation of great players who didn't. Aren't winning championship. Didn't win championships. You could still make that case in the 70s, in the 80s, in the 60s, in the 50s, there, there were a lot of things and thanks for the call, man. There are a lot of great players who. You know, Carlos Shrimpski is a great example. There are great players who didn't win. I call you Stremsky. Ted Williams, like these are. There's names you could think of. Red Sox players who. Great players.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

Stremsky too, if it feels.

[Host Rosenberg]

Yeah, Cubs great players. Ernie Banks is one. They weren't good teams. It was a great player. Like that's a real thing when a handful of franchises are dominating the championships. And I just think that's the case.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

And in baseball of all sports, it's just we always bring this up. But it's true in basketball, if you're an all time dominant player, you know, blaming Charles Barkley, as tough as it is on him, he would own it to some degree because being one of five guys on the floor, you can really alter the game.

[Host Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

It's just so hard in football or baseball, in particular, hockey, basketball, that one guy being on the ice or on the court can kind of make the whole thing happen. But you could be the best pitcher, you could be the best hitter, you could be a great quarterback, you could be a great cornerback. Darrell Revis was never winning until he ended up on New England. That's how it works.

[Host Rosenberg]

Yeah. You kind of have to chase it at times, but for judge as great as he, that's the expectation. Okay, you're great now you gotta win. Tim in New Jersey has an interesting little debate here. Go ahead, Tim.

[Caller Tim]

Hey, what's going on, guys? Can you hear me?

[Host Rosenberg]

Yep, we got you.

[Caller Tim]

All right, first off, I want to say I recently graduated school, so a long commute with work. Appreciate, you know, what you guys do every day, it's always. Always kills the commute. So appreciate on that aspect.

[Host Rosenberg]

That's what we. That's what we're here for.

[Caller Tim]

But, yeah, I want to. Yeah, I wanted to push back a little bit, what Peter just said. I think it's open for debate. He was talking about Laetner hitting, you know, the greatest buzzer beater of all time in college basketball. But I think you can get a little pushback and go back to the national championship with. In 2016 after Page hit that off balance, three to tie it. And then Jenkins came down the floor, hit the buzzer beater as time expires. I think that's right up there with that, too. I appreciate the time, guys.

[Host Rosenberg]

Yo, Tim, I'll tell you what. On get up this morning, Mike Greenberg did his list.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

You were on get up today.

[Host Rosenberg]

Yes, I know. I said that like five times. And he made his list, and he had the latent shot. One. Jenkins, I think, was two. And that's when I said, hang on a second. Jenkins won the championship.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

It's a fair argument.

[Host Rosenberg]

And the latent shot got him to the Final Four. But his argument was that. And Seth Greenberg jumped into. He's like the iconic moment, the shot. Like, that's one of those things that stood the test of time with March Madness. And they've just argued that it just felt bigger. It was Duke, it was Kentucky. It was some of the best players. They were down you could think of. They were about to lose. Like, that was the argument that he made. I'm with you, though, like Tim, and thanks for the call. We gotta run. I made that argument. But this won a title, and it was a perfectly. You talk about execution at the highest level, a play that you would actually. And they said this. They practice it, and they did it in practice a million times. What are the odds that the exact thing happens at the right time and everything worked out perfectly and the shot goes in. You can make that argument. Tell you what, though, it's a lot of fun to watch it. This was a lot of fun too. Peter.

[Host Peter Rosenberg]

I enjoyed it.

[Host Rosenberg]

Donnie will be back tomorrow. Don James have a great night, everybody.

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