Hour 4: Last Call Crew

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: Last Call Crew

Date: April 3, 2026
Podcast: ESPN New York – Don Hahn, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Episode Theme:
Wrapping up a week in New York sports, this hour blends spirited debates on sports loyalty, current NY baseball storylines, listener calls on everything from music to Chinese food, and reflections on what it means to root for your city.

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Main Episode Theme

This episode’s final hour is a lively, wide-ranging “last call” where Don Hahn and Peter Rosenberg take listener calls, offer hard-and-fast judgements on sports "fraudulence," discuss current drama with New York baseball teams, and riff on the little things and big questions that come with sports fandom. The conversation is signature DHR: sharp, witty, and unfiltered.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fraudulent Sports Fandom – The “Prince of Frauds”

[01:02–06:43]

• Caller Story: Will from Philly describes a friend who, after rooting for the New Orleans Saints during Hurricane Katrina while attending Tulane, has now jumped back to rooting for the Buffalo Bills, his childhood team. Will seeks the hosts’ verdict: fraud, or forgivable?
• Judgement:
  • Peter Rosenberg (03:07): “He’s a fraud. As noble as his reasons are.”
  • Don Hahn expands: The discussion explores whether traumatic or noble reasons (such as disaster solidarity) absolve shifting fandom.
  • Peter Rosenberg: Draws a parallel to Mets fans rooting for the Yankees post-9/11, calling it “noble” but “still fraudulent.”
  • Memorable quote ([04:07] Rosenberg): “Just because I call you a fraud doesn’t mean that you’re a bad person. ...But it does feel like that you want to hide your fraudulence behind a traumatic event.”
  • Rosenberg’s analogy ([05:27]): “It’s kind of like, Peter, if you steal because you haven’t eaten. It’s still a crime. ...Robin Hood was still a thief... Prince among thieves – prince of frauds.”
  • Consensus: Good intentions do not absolve “sports fraud.” Noble motives, but you can still be a fraud—a theme they underline humorously and repeatedly:
    • [06:01] Rosenberg: “Prince of Frauds!”

2. Chinese Food Appetizers – The Light Side

[09:35–11:40]

• Caller Nas checks in, inspired by the show to order Chinese food, and asks about favorite appetizers.
  • Rosenberg’s picks: Spring rolls or egg rolls, traditional choices, nothing fancy ([10:54] Rosenberg).
  • Don’s household favorite: Crab Rangoon, though Don himself hasn’t tried it—his wife Nancy loves it ([11:05] Rosenberg, [11:19] Nas).
• Friendly banter and appreciation:
  • Nas: “Thank you, inspire me with what your happy choices are.”
  • Rosenberg: “We love to accommodate. You ask a question, we answer.”

3. Greatest Athletes Debate – Gretzky, Jordan, Tiger, Tyson Order

[14:54–15:51]

• Caller Richard proposes a ranking: Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Mike Tyson, Tiger Woods.
  • Don’s order: Gretzky, Tiger, Jordan, Tyson ([15:22] Don).
  • Peter’s order: Jordan, Gretzky, Tiger, Tyson ([15:33] Rosenberg).
  • Quick, respectful debate about greatness metrics.

4. Loyalty & Money in New York Baseball – Mets Roster Moves

[15:51–19:45]

• Caller Richard (continued):
  • Rants about players like Soto, Diaz, and Cano leaving the Mets or expressing frustration, insisting true loyalty means staying even if you could earn more money elsewhere. Praises Judge, Goldschmidt, and Bellinger for wanting to be Yankees.
  • Richard ([15:51]): “If you wanted to be a Met, you would have been a Met. Don’t give me no think. ...I don’t begrudge him ...but if you wanted to be a Met, you would have been a Met.”
  • Don and Peter push back: Acknowledge business realities; not always fair to label departing players as disloyal.
    • Peter ([18:23]): “I never saw it that way. I always assumed Alonzo wanted to stay... If it’s close, stays with the Mets.”

5. The Lindor–Soto “Beef” – Why Can’t Superstars Get Along?

[19:19–22:47]

• Big Story: Rumors swirl of a simmering “beef” between Mets stars Francisco Lindor and Juan Soto—potentially affecting team chemistry.
  • Peter Rosenberg ([19:45]): “If Francisco Lindor and Juan Soto cannot find a way to get along and be just supportive teammates with a team that has this much talent ...it is absolutely shameful.”
  • Universalizes the dilemma: All working people must learn to collaborate—even if they don’t get along—especially when the stakes/fanbase are so high.
  • Don’s frustration ([20:45]): “Why does the rest of the world have to know?... What does that do? Who does that help? ...Not if he’s on my team.”
  • Calls for maturity:
    • Peter ([21:49]): “It’s an ego thing. Work it out. Grow up. It is not that deep.”
• Metaphor/analogy: The hosts joke about “Major League” movie characters overcoming bigger rifts for team achievement, underscoring the need for professionalism.

6. Closing Sentiments & Next Week

[22:49–23:31]

• Hopeful sign-offs—references to the Knicks (style points vs. wins), anticipation for the NCAA and WWE Smackdown, and well wishes for Passover and Easter.
  • Peter Rosenberg ([23:18]): “Oh, thank you. I want you to have a happy and luxurious Easter.”
  • Looking ahead: "Should be a big show on Monday. We'll have our championship to drop."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On bandwagoning after tragedy ([04:07] Rosenberg):
  • “Just because I call you a fraud doesn't mean that you're a bad person. ...But it does feel like that you want to hide your fraudulence behind a traumatic event.”
• On sports loyalty and hardship ([05:27–05:50] Rosenberg):
  • “It’s kind of like… if you steal because you haven’t eaten. It’s still a crime… Robin Hood was still a thief. …Prince of frauds.”
• On baseball clubhouse drama ([19:45] Rosenberg):
  • “It would be one of the great embarrassments of all time if two guys making...35 million…can’t find a way to get along.”
• On Lindor/Soto rift going public ([20:45] Don):
  • “You literally dapped and hugged everybody on the team except him…Why was it so important for the world to know that you don’t like him?”
• On collaboration in sports and life ([21:49] Rosenberg):
  • “It’s an ego thing. Work it out. Grow up. It is not that deep.”
• Light Moments:
  • [11:23] Nas: “It’s cream cheese and crab and wrapped in a fried dumpling.”
  • [11:40] Rosenberg: “We love to accommodate. You ask a question, we answer. How about that little crab rangoon?”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:02] – Will in Philly: “Fraudulent Friday” and the “Prince of Frauds” judgement
• [03:07] – Official “fraudulence” ruling & analogy to 9/11 and baseball fandom
• [04:45–06:43] – Robin Hood analogy, “Prince of Frauds”
• [09:35–11:40] – Nas in Pine Brook on Chinese apps, spring rolls, crab rangoon
• [14:54–15:51] – Richard in Manhattan: Greatest athletes debate
• [15:51–19:19] – Richard’s “loyalty” segment, Yankees/Mets, player motives
• [19:19–22:47] – Lindor–Soto Mets beef, “figure it out,” importance of clubhouse chemistry
• [22:49–23:31] – Knicks/Final Four/WWE/holiday sign-offs

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Tone & Style Highlights

• Conversational, sharp, playful
• Candid judgements punctuated by humor and real talk
• Banter often pivots from sports to larger issues (loyalty, ego, maturity)
• Willingness to call out “fraud” while acknowledging noble intentions

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Summary for New Listeners

In this high-energy “last call” hour, Don and Peter mix sharp sports analysis with light-hearted digressions, taking listener calls that spark debates about loyalty, fandom, and athlete behavior. Whether discussing bandwagon fans in times of crisis, the absurdity of MLB clubhouse feuds, or personal preferences for Chinese appetizers, the episode delivers personality and insight, with a distinctly New York flavor. If you like strong opinions leavened by banter and a willingness to poke fun at the games—and at themselves—this episode is quintessential DHR.

Transcript

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[Caller Will]

Hey, what's up fellas? Thanks for having me. First off, Don, real quick, local rock band in the rob named Robbie Rooster play like a Rage against Machine. Flash, Red Hutch, Chili Peppers, Muse, Queens of the Stone Age. Our song called Emerald City, I think you might really enjoy. I got a Fraudulent Friday take. Oh well, I live here in Philly so we play some local, local bars here.

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[Caller Will]

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[Caller Will]

Hell yeah. Okay, so Fraudulent Friday. Grew up on Long island, went to Chaminag, class of 05. A classmate of mine grew up a Bills fan and moved to Louisiana to attend Tulane for college. And while he was there it was Hurricane Katrina. So he sort of adopted the Saints as his team given the know city's rally. And he's been a Saints fan, he's in our fantasy league, Saints fans, Saints jerseys, all that stuff. All right. More recently in the last few months, he's like I'm back on the Bill's bandwagon and we're all giving him, you know, the business about being a Bills fan again because they have a better chance at a, at a championship. And so I'm thinking we probably need to pull up some money get him a Tyler Shuck jersey. Get it sent to his house. So just wondering if you guys think this is fraudulent or if I'm. If we're all going too far based on, you know, the, the current events of the area.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, all right.

Don's ruling.

Judge I. Ruling is he's a fraud. As noble as his reasons are.

[Caller Will]

Thank you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yes.

[Caller Will]

Thank you for the noise.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because also, let's not forget, the Saints were pretty good, and they ended up winning a Super bowl shortly thereafter. And now all of a sudden, the Bills are good and he's jumping back on the bandwagon. Stop. I know there's a lot of people, Peter, who use traumatic events and think that that's going to cover up the fraud. A good example of that is 9 11.

Go ahead.

Met fans were like, you know what? I'm going to root for the Yankees to win the World series because of 911 and what happened in the city. And obviously, I can't argue that that's a bad reason. It's a noble reason. You're a better person than I am. But it's still fraudulent. Were you rooting for Pittsburgh because of the plane that went down to Western Pennsylvania? Did you root for the commanders after what happened to the Pentagon?

Well, what if they're New Yorkers, though?

[Don Hahn]

It's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's the New Yorkers. 911 was an attack on the country, you know, and I bet a lot of New Yorkers died. So I can't sit here and tell you that you're a bad person. You're a better person than me. And as I've said many times before, just because I call you a fraud doesn't mean that you're a bad person. You might be a great person and a better person than me, but a fraud. But it does feel like that you want to hide your fraud. Fraud them, if that's a word. Your fraudulence, I guess, is the better way to say it, behind a traumatic event. Like, it sounds very noble. Katrina was terrible for New Orleans, so it's. And he was there going to school, Tulane. Very noble.

I just lie. And it makes sense. I mean.

But still fraudulent that he gave up on his bills.

Right.

You want to root for them that day. That's why I say, listen, you want to root for the Yankees to win. Okay, I didn't. Does that make me a bad person?

Yes, probably, but not a fraud.

Yeah, there you go. I don't. I, I, I felt like, you know, there's a lot of Met fans that died that day. It just.

It was.

If it was gonna make the city feel good, then. You want to see that happen. But can you still be a fraud? Yes.

Yeah. See, that's. This is. This is what makes you such a good and righteous judge.

It's kind of like Peter, if you steal because you haven't eaten.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's still a crime. Yeah, it's still a crime. He stole. Well, it's your reason. Exceptionally valid.

So you're stealing and giving it to someone else in need. But you still stole.

Like if you just wanted to be Robin Hood.

Robin Hood was still a thief.

Yes.

Prince of thieves. Prince of frauds is what you're saying.

Wow, that is very good.

It makes someone the prince of frauds.

So that guy.

Prince of frauds.

Prince of frauds. The people that rooted for the Yankees during 9 11. Prince of Frauds. And we're putting prince first. I say you're not the fraud prince.

No, you're the prince of frauds.

Prince of frauds. Yeah, well, see what happens when you just come together and you.

You talk it out because it's a. It's a positive thing. But it doesn't change the fact that you're a fraud. Just like Robin Hood. Great guy. Prince among thieves.

But still. Yeah, because he could have gotten a job, made some money, and then donated that money to the poor. But he decided to go the easy way out and steal. Still wrong. But for a noble reason.

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[Caller Nas]

Hello, nas. Good evening and happy.

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Thank you.

I jumped to thank you. I apologize. I'll make it into Easter.

[Caller Nas]

That's okay. It's been a long week for all of us and especially for me. And yesterday you guys inspired me to order a little Chinese today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Caller Nas]

I'm sorry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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God bless.

[Caller Nas]

Thank you. Thank you so. Thank you. Inspire me with what your happy choices are. You guys were talking about the sesame and the souls, but what do you guys go for with the abbey? A little dumpling, some egg rolls? What's your choices?

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Caller Nas]

Just. The app is.

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[Caller Nas]

don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It depends where I'm. It depends where I am. So some Places, you know, I will do a spring roll situation. Veggie spring rolls. I will say a good old fashioned like very fried egg roll is still delicious. I'm not, I'm really Don. I usually do the pretty traditional ones like the rolls of some sort. I don't have anything wacky really.

What does Nancy like?

[Caller Nas]

What do you buy you, John?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what Nancy gets that she really likes? I've never tried it but now I can't. It's the crab.

[Caller Nas]

The crab rangoon.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Crab rangoon. She loves that. Why don't you give that a good choice?

Is the crab rangoon the thing that's like, like it's like cream cheese a jace.

No, no, no.

[Caller Nas]

It's cream cheese and crab and wrapped in a fried.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Caller Nas]

Dumpling.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There it is. I never had it to know but it looks like a dumpling.

[Caller Nas]

Yes. And you dip it in a little soy sauce and it's delightful. Or even a little duck sauce. Delightful. I think I'm going with that. Don. I appreciate your suggestions, honestly. I said thank you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We love to accommodate. You ask a question, we answer. How about that little crab rangoon? I've yet to try it but Nancy.

Yeah, never done it.

Nancy likes it at the Chinese restaurant. You never know where the show is going to go. Well, I can tell you where we're going next. Richard's on hold.

Oh yeah.

Tougher week for Richard. He's drops went far and deep. We'll get to Richard. Peter, come on. I honor the clock. We're going to get to Richard in good time. Put him back on old. The fact that I teased Richard I think is an honor.

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There he is.

[Don Hahn]

Don. Peter. Greatness. Give me your 1, 2, 3, 4. Each of you. Wayne, Michael, Mike, Tiger.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're saying Mike Tyson, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hold on.

[Don Hahn]

I'd say Wayne, Michael, Mike, Tiger.

[Caller Will]

Wayne.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll say Gretzky, Tiger, Jordan, Tyson.

Wait, that's your order?

Yeah, that's the way I would do it. Wayne one, Tiger two, Jordan three, Tyson four.

In terms of greatness? Greatness, I'd say. I'd say it's Jordan 1, Gretzky, 2 tiger 3, Tyson 4.

[Don Hahn]

I agree with you, Peter. That's my thing. You know, I have a rant these guys like Soto that complain and Diaz, Edwin Diaz, the pitcher, relief pitcher, and then back Robinson, Cano. They have a good thing and then they get traded or they go for the money and then they complain. Alonzo, same thing, although he didn't complain. If you wanted to be a Met, you would have been a Met. Look at two guys like Goldschmidt and Bellinger. They have no allegiance to the Yankees. They love being a Yankee. Judge. He could have gotten more money. They wanted to be a Yankee. So all this stuff. Oh, Stern said that camouflages everything. If you wanted to be a Met, Alonso and Diaz, you would have been a Met. Don't give me no think same thing with Cano complaining. Oh, luckiest. Didn't give me the money. Hey, you got a great deal. I don't begrudge him. I don't begrudge Alonso getting. Trying to squeeze every penny, getting Boris as an agent. But if you wanted to be a Met, you would have been a Met. And Don, I'm going to close with this hockey. The three teams out there are six teams. Of course, Ottawa, Detroit and the Islands have the best chance over Columbus and Philly and Washington because the game's played in points so far. So it looks like. But it's a great, great six teams for two positions. That's great. And lastly, Don, I've never seen anything in this pro game like this in any of the four majors. Oh, by the way, who would ever think that Italy's baseball team is better than Italy soccer team? That's unbelievable, fellas. Unbelievable. But that's something else. Colorado is plus 90 in goals. Vancouver minus 90 in goals. Colorado is at home. The best record. Colorado the worst record. Vancouver by 60 points. 60 points and Vancouver beats Colorado in Colorado. I don't think I've ever seen that in a pro game ever. A pleasure. Thank you, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A couple of interesting things.

First, he did a couple of weird things too.

Now you know Bellinger. Yeah. Maybe he could have gotten a little bit more money. Not sure. Goldschmidt, towards the end of his career, I think he went to the Yankees because they got a good chance to win, but I don't think he had a ton of offers. Pete Alonso, I don't think that's wanted him. Peter, not only, and I understand you want to be a Met, but how much of a discount do you need to take? Like he still has value. So he goes to Baltimore for a significant amount more money than the Mets are going to pay him. I don't look at that as him not wanting to be a Met. I Look at that as the Mets not wanting Alonso. Do you look negatively at Alonso?

I never. I never saw it that way. I always assumed Alonzo wanted to stay. Now, he is a Boris guy, so you can't be absolutely sure that, you know, he's not going to just be about the money on some level. But I think Alonzo, if it's close, stays with the Mets. I don't view it that way. However, it's a good place to close. Given the big stories of the week, I do have to say I'm not the kind of person who's going to jump all the way out the window. Neither are you, Don, on the Lindor story. You know, a lot of people have said a lot of things about it. It's unclear what's going on. But I will say this. If, in fact, this simmering beef or whatever is a real thing, as it appears to be, and they have not. If it's not, they've made no effort to make it. Not a thing.

Right.

It would be like. What I'm saying is, if Francisco Lindor and Juan Soto cannot find a way to get along and be just supportive teammates with a team that has this much talent, when you are paid that much money and you have a fan base that cares that much, it is absolutely shameful.

Yeah.

Childish and shameful. Like, I'm not saying it makes them terrible humans because they probably don't understand it. They're probably not viewing it from the right headspace, but every single one of us who works has had moments in our career. Well, we have to figure out a way to make it work. The only difference between us and you guys is that you guys are paid in a way where your grandchildren's children will have incredible lives because of the money you're paid, because that fan base pays the money to come to that stadium, and because the cable companies can charge the money because they know the fans will watch you on television. Don, they have to figure this out. It would be one of the great embarrassments of all time if two guys making, what Lindor is, what, 35 million? And so does 40 million a year?

Yeah.

Figure it out if that's real.

And I keep going back to opening day with Soto not hugging Lindor. Like, all right, you don't like the guy. I get it. But why does the rest of the world have to know? And Doe told me all was nothing. You literally dapped and hugged everybody on the team except him. You got a full building games on tv. It lives forever on the Internet. Why was it so important for the world to know that you don't like him. What does that do? Who does that help? Other than your ego of when it all goes down? I want the world to know I don't like you. There's a lot of people I don't like, and I'd love the world to know it, but not if he's on my team. Not if we're gonna have to work together for the ultimate goal. And what if you look back at the end of your career, Peter, and you never win again? And go, boy, I think we could have won. But I let that little rift I had with my teammate get in the way. How's that gonna. How's that gonna age?

Hey, listen, Don, I want to go back to that Indian season. I mean, if any wild thing and Dorn had every reason to never get along again, that was the ultimate reason. Yeah, listen, if one guy sleeps with another guy's wife, that would be the ultimate reason. And yet Ricky and Dorn found a way. In all seriousness, that is not what happened here, okay? Nothing that serious has happened here. It's an ego thing. Work it out. Grow up. It is not that deep. Dude, it just can't be. Don, there's nothing. There can't be enough to tap.

Unless there was an incident. What could have happened in the last year? Because if he never liked him, then why did you sign with the Mets in the first place? You knew he was there. You knew he had another eight, nine years left on his contract. Crazy.

It's ridiculous. It's just embarrassing.

Well, let's just hope they can put it together, get back to.500 tonight. Another one of those games for the Knicks where it's going to be about style points more than whether they win the game or not. Got the final four this weekend. Should be a big show on Monday. We'll have our championship to drop.

Madness.

And a lot of great sports to recap over the weekend.

Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. There's a good. There's good things. A big episode of Smackdown tonight, too. So don't you.

And I want you to have happy Passover.

Oh, thank you. I want you to have a happy and luxurious Easter.

I will be away from the family. I'll be in Montreal, but I will try to make it work.

Well, to everybody out there who celebrates, hope your Passover has been great. Hope you have an awesome Easter as well on Sunday.

Ty Butler's coming up next. We'll talk to you again at 3:00 clock on Monday. On Don Hahn and Rosenberg, ESPN New York.

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