Hour 4: Last Call Crew

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary Episode: Hour 4: Last Call Crew
Release Date: July 25, 2025

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1. Pronunciation Anecdotes and Nostalgia (01:11 - 02:53)

The episode opens with a nostalgic trip down memory lane as Jordan Ronan invites Richard from Manhattan to discuss memorable moments in sports broadcasting. Richard shares an amusing story about the mispronunciation of Jimmy Cefalo’s name during his time with the Miami Dolphins:

Richard (01:39): "He kept calling me Jimmy Ceffalo, but I always went by Cephalo."

This anecdote leads to further reminiscing about other sports figures, including Tony Dorset and the evolution of the Heisman Trophy’s pronunciation, highlighting how media and announcers influence public perception of athletes.

2. The Legacy of Pat Summerall (02:53 - 04:09)

The conversation shifts to celebrating the legendary Pat Summerall. Richard presents a fictional yet heartfelt tribute to Summerall, emphasizing his pivotal role with the New York Giants:

Richard (02:53): "Pat Summerall is the only New York Giant to lead the Giants in scoring every year he played. He kicked the most important field goal in NFL history at Yankee Stadium, securing a win against Cleveland with a 50-yard kick."

This segment underscores Summerall’s impact both on and off the field, illustrating his status as an elite player and a memorable sports figure.

3. Baseball Playoff Predictions and Team Dynamics (04:10 - 10:04)

A substantial portion of the episode delves into baseball, with Richard and Jordan analyzing the potential World Series contenders. Richard outlines the expected favorites across various sports leagues, highlighting the dominance of teams like the Philadelphia Eagles, Florida Gators, Florida Panthers, and Oklahoma City Thunder. However, he expresses skepticism about the ultimate winners in baseball, citing the unpredictability inherent in the sport:

Richard (05:18): "With the exception of the LA Dodgers, wouldn't it be a shock if any of those teams won the World Series?"

Jordan agrees, pointing out the Dodgers' formidable roster and high payroll as key factors in their continued success:

Jordan Ronan (05:37): "They’re so stacked talent-wise. They have the highest payroll and have been a perennial playoff team."

The discussion further explores the parity in baseball, contrasting it with the perceived dynasties in the NFL and NHL. They debate whether baseball truly offers the same level of unpredictability, noting that despite many playoff teams, only a few truly stand out as serious contenders.

4. The Paradox of Parity in Baseball (10:04 - 14:23)

Jordan and Peter Rosenberg engage in a lively debate about the true nature of parity in baseball. Jordan argues that despite the multitude of teams making the playoffs, only a few consistently perform, referencing teams like the Texas Rangers and Arizona Diamondbacks who quickly fade after championship runs:

Jordan Ronan (10:04): "It goes away quick, doesn't it? Teams like the Rangers and Diamondbacks can’t sustain their success."

Peter counters by attributing these fluctuations to factors like player injuries and the inherent unpredictability of the sport:

Peter Rosenberg (10:28): "Things can go wrong. Think it's a football thing, but it's baseball too."

They also touch upon the challenges faced by teams like the New York Yankees, suggesting that despite their historical success, recent performances have left fans questioning their championship potential.

5. Listener Interactions and Team Performances (16:51 - 20:13)

The hosts open the phone lines to listeners, receiving input from Jonathan in LA. Jonathan expresses frustration with the Yankees’ inconsistent performances and their bullpen issues:

Jonathan (17:40): "The Yankees don't even have a closer. They blew like three or four games in the last week before the All-Star Game."

Jordan acknowledges these concerns but emphasizes that true championship runs are determined in October, where only the best teams prevail:

Jordan Ronan (18:00): "Ultimately, if you're flawed, those flaws are going to get exposed. You want to try to clean it up as much as you can."

The segment highlights the emotional rollercoaster fans experience with their favorite teams and the fine margins that often decide playoff outcomes.

6. Discussions on Music and Generational Differences (20:13 - 23:43)

Shifting gears, the conversation takes a lighter turn as Jordan and Peter delve into discussions about music, specifically heavy metal and jazz. Jordan expresses frustration with younger generations’ lack of interest in pre-1990 music, advocating for a well-rounded knowledge base:

Jordan Ronan (21:05): "I'm infatuated with things that happened before I was alive. What's the matter with people?"

Peter humorously admits his limited knowledge of jazz:

Peter Rosenberg (22:54): "I don't know a lot about jazz."

The hosts playfully argue over the relevance and recognition of jazz musician Chuck Mangione, reflecting broader themes of generational divides in musical tastes and appreciation.

7. Upcoming Shows and Final Thoughts (23:43 - 24:17)

As the episode nears its end, the hosts announce upcoming segments and shows. Peter hints at hosting a show at the Giants camp, generating excitement among listeners:

Peter Rosenberg (23:20): "I got my show hosting. I'll be at Giants camp."

Jordan expresses anticipation for future collaborations and wraps up the episode with well wishes for the weekend:

Jordan Ronan (23:45): "Have a phenomenal weekend, everybody."

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Notable Quotes

• Richard on Jimmy Cefalo's Name:

  "He kept calling me Jimmy Ceffalo, but I always went by Cephalo." ([01:39])

• Richard on Pat Summerall:

  "Pat Summerall is the only New York Giant to lead the Giants in scoring every year he played." ([02:53])

• Jordan on Dodgers' Dominance:

  "They’re so stacked talent-wise. They have the highest payroll and have been a perennial playoff team." ([05:37])

• Jonathan on Yankees' Bullpen Issues:

  "The Yankees don't even have a closer. They blew like three or four games in the last week before the All-Star Game." ([17:40])

• Jordan on Generational Knowledge:

  "I'm infatuated with things that happened before I was alive. What's the matter with people?" ([21:05])

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Conclusion

In this episode of "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg," the hosts traverse a range of topics from nostalgic sports memories and legendary figures like Pat Summerall to in-depth analyses of baseball team dynamics and playoff predictions. They engage with listeners’ frustrations, discuss the nuances of sports parity, and even touch upon generational differences in music appreciation. With a blend of humor, expertise, and heartfelt anecdotes, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg deliver an engaging and insightful conversation for sports enthusiasts and casual listeners alike.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Jordan Ronan]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Jordan Ronan]

He's get Ryan McCann from the Colorado Rockies.217 hitter, but he does have 16 home runs. A little bit of those 16 came at home. So you wonder if that's kind of exaggerated. But he's a left handed hitter. Short porch at Yankee Stadium maybe take advantage of that. And the Mets get Gregory Soto. Little help out of the bullpen lefty. So your thoughts that at 1-800-919-3776. Let's talk to Richard in Manhattan. Richard, what's going on, man?

[Richard]

Don Jordan, you guys mentioned pronunciation and names? Yes, I'm the same age as this guy. He came out, he went to Penn State. Jimmy Ceffalo, I remembered him. First class that played freshman football, 73 at Penn State, then went on to the Miami Dolphins. All his freshman year he was known as Jimmy Cefalo. The Cotton bowl comes in January of 74. And Buddle was in that game, of course, and Marv was doing the game, Marv Albert. And he kept calling Jimmy Ceffalo, Jimmy Ceffalo. And I thought that was kind of strange. And in the early mid-80s, mid-80s, I guess he had just retired from football, was working for NBC. I ran into him around the Rockefeller center area and I recognized him. Big, tall, good looking guy. And I told him the story and he told me, he said, well, that is the pronunciation of my name. It is Cefalo, he said, but I always went by Cephalo. And the rest of his career it was always Jimmy Ceffalo. So I thought that was kind of fun.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wasn't there always the Thisman and Theisman thing too?

[Jordan Ronan]

Yeah, for the.

[Richard]

Outdoor set.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Dorset was.

[Richard]

Always Tony Dorset until his senior year. And Tony. And he's the same age as Seth Low. He also came in 73 theisman, a few years old. I don't remember. I don't remember him Being Theisman, it was, it was.

[Jordan Ronan]

He was, he was playing at Notre Dame and he was up for the Heisman Trophy. And the way to hype it up, they said it was when it was Theisman, but it was Theisman for the Heisman. So they changed it to get the rhyme to promotion for the Heisman Trophy.

[Richard]

In the Heisman voting. 72 I think it was, or 73. All right. You guys were talking about Pat Summerall. Pat Summerall. Don, your father would love this. It's a made up stat that I thought about and read about. Pat Summerall is the only New York Giant to lead the Giants in scoring. Every year that he played. Four years he led them scoring from 58 to 61. He was the elite. And he kicked the most important field goal, actually the most important field goal not only in giant history, in NFL football history. It was the last game of the 58 season. They tied Cleveland. He kicked the ball at Yankee Stadium, 50 yards. Nobody can see it. He was shocked that Jim Lee Howell called him and they couldn't see the sideline markers, the on field markers. A 50 yard field goal and they won. They couldn't get a tie. If Cleveland tied, they would have won it went to the. And of course by the Giants winning that game. They played a week later for a playoff game. Third time they played Cleveland that year. They held Jimmy Brown to nothing. They beat Cleveland, of course. Then they played the Baltimore Colts in that great championship game and the greatest game ever. So that was it. Fellas, I just want to finish on one last thing.

[Jordan Ronan]

Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Richard]

Starting this year you had Philadelphia Eagles. No one was shocked by them winning it, right? Nobody was shocked. They were a favorite. They played the favorite. Okay. Then you had the Florida Gators in college basket, am I correct? Nobody was shot by them winning it this year. They were up there the whole season. Then you had the Florida Panthers in hockey. Nobody was shocked by them. They knew they were a great team. We knew they were a great team and they won it. Then you had the Oklahoma City Thunder. Certainly nobody was shocked by them winning it. Now in baseball now you're 2/3 of the way through the season with the exception, and that's probably only the possible exception, and I would say maybe they even fall into the category of the rest of the teams. But with the exception of the LA Dodgers, the other, what is it, 12 playoff teams, the other 11 playoff teams, wouldn't it be a shock if any of those teams won? I mean, you can say even Toronto now, Detroit, Houston, San Francisco or San Diego, Milwaukee. Wouldn't that be sort of a shock if they won the World Series?

[Jordan Ronan]

I think there's a legitimate conversation to be had, Richard, and thank you for the phone call. I wonder if Jordan would agree with this. Never was always Tiger versus the field.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Jordan Ronan]

Can you say Dodgers versus the field?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think that's fair to say. I mean, the Dodgers, talent wise, they are so stacked.

[Jonathan]

Yeah.

[Jordan Ronan]

And they've got the highest payroll. They won the World Series last year. They've been a perennial playoff team. Because Richard's right. Like, you wouldn't. Like, shocked is strong. But right now, the way that we've been talking about the Yankees in a negative fashion, that you would probably be on the surprise side if they want it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All. Right. The only other teams. But at the beginning of the season, you probably would say you wouldn't be surprised where it would be the Mets and the Yankees. Like, I think they were probably in that conversation. Everybody else, like, who else is seriously in that. Like, that was favored. But yeah. Now. Now I think you could say you'd be surprised if either of those teams won a World Series.

[Jordan Ronan]

And it's interesting because. Right. The Yankees, you know, you're talking about three of the four finalists from last year. Right. So. But the Dodgers, because they won it last year because of the payroll.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the other one was the Indians. And no one believes in them.

[Jordan Ronan]

No. And nobody believes in the Blue Jays either because they just haven't done it. They haven't won A championship since 93. They've been known to kind of melt under the pressure late in the year when they do get into the playoffs. They. They haven't been able to make a run. And they've had some pretty good teams in the last 20 years that just couldn't seem to be able to get over the hump. Now, the Astros are interesting because they're running away with the West. They have a pedigree of winning, although they're not exactly the same team. But I don't think you could say you'd be surprised if the Astros won.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But people are giving them respect, though. It's a strange actually phenomenon with them because they have had so much success, but nobody's really viewing them as one of the favorites or like a front runner, you know, which you would think. But why wouldn't you? You just named. You named before you were naming me the favorites to make the World Series in the American League. And what were they?

[Jordan Ronan]

They were plus 500. Yeah. And you know who the. You know who the Blue Jays are In the national.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, they were plus 375. The Blue Jays. I think you said blue jays were.

[Jordan Ronan]

Plus 500, but they were. 375 is right there. They're right there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Not far.

[Jordan Ronan]

I mean, with the Tigers and the Yankees.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, they're certainly not favorites. And that's only by the way, to win the American League. That's right.

[Jordan Ronan]

Win the World Series and anybody coming out of the American League will be a dog against whoever comes out of the National League. Unless it's a team that's out of. Out of nowhere because, you know, big, big underdogs. You know who the National League version of the Blue Jays are?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The National League version of the Blue Jays. Like the Cubs? No, the Brewers. The brewers, for sure.

[Jordan Ronan]

Brewers are. Yeah. Because they're the best record of baseball. Right. And. And everybody's like. Because they just don't win in the postseason they ever have. They went to one World Series, you know, way back and was at 82, but otherwise they just always seem to underachieve in the postseason. But they've been a perennial playoff team. But again, that. No, no real fear they're going to make a run. Blue Jays, it's been again since, you know, Joe Carter era that they made any kind of, like, real significant run of the postseason. And I'd love the Blue Jays to be able to do it because you know how I feel about Canada. But to Richard's point, big hockey guy, the Dodgers are the team because of. They just did it and they spent so much money. And they'll probably add again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But really, really, what do they need to add?

[Jordan Ronan]

Like, I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They need to. They just need to get guys healthy. Well, that's what they need more than anything. Just get their guys healthy, get their starting pitchers healthy, and the doctors are going to be.

[Jordan Ronan]

They're not going to be quiet on the people. They'll make a deal, but they'll probably.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just add some more bullpen pieces just like everybody else is trying to add.

[Jordan Ronan]

But what's interesting is, is that, like baseball, there's so much parity in baseball. Like, too. Like, the NBA has become more of a parody league. But remember, it was always like football and hockey, Right. Those were the parody sports.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Jordan Ronan]

Anybody just make the playoffs, you can make a run and win the cup. And football was all about, like, everybody believes when they break camp that they've got a chance to win the championship. Well, hockey and football have become where you've seen the dynasties, right? Went from New England to Kansas City in The NFL in hockey, the Tampa Bay won back to back cups. Now the Panthers have won back to back cups.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We haven't seen it. Because in hockey the perception is anybody can win. Right? Anyone can win. Right, exactly. Hockey. And it actually has turned out to not be the case. The great teams just keep winning over and over again.

[Jordan Ronan]

And then we. For a long time the NBA and Major League Baseball were. The dynasties were. Well now we've had seven different champions in the NBA and we have not had a repeat champion of baseball since the Yankees won in 99 and 2000.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Jordan Ronan]

Like, so it's, it's really flipped. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You've been, you've been big on this. You believe that there's more parody in baseball than there has been in a really long time.

[Jordan Ronan]

Oh well, it's just, it goes without saying. I mean look at all the different. Like you just look at a team like the Texas Rangers, you know, they go winning, win the World Series and then they've been under 500 like basically since then. And the Diamondbacks, they go from winning the World Series to basically being eliminated the last weekend last year and now they're sellers at the deadline like just two years later. Like it goes away quick, doesn't it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It does. Things can go wrong. I mean which you think like you know that's like a football thing and. But you know, it's baseball too, which is. Which is kind of wild. I guess it's. Think it's the pitcher injuries and because the Diamondback they made that big signing, they signed Corbin Burns, he gets injured and you know, it all falls apart from.

[Jordan Ronan]

And the thing is, is that because I think what happens in football is, is that it's such a quarterback driven sport and there's so few quarterbacks that once you get the quarterback then you're good for a while. Right. Like it's, it's going to be the same teams next year. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

City Chiefs, you know, competing with the Cincinnati Bengals.

[Jordan Ronan]

Yeah. And you know, Josh Allen has been. Bills are going to be there and Lamar Jackson, like it's going to be the same four or five teams competing for the spot every year until you get the quarterback. And if you don't have the quarterback then you better be Philadelphia and just be basically a Pro Bowler at every position. And in the quarterback they also happen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To be in the other conference, which is really.

[Jordan Ronan]

Well, that helps.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's really fortunate too. It's like hey, we got the great team and we're on the other side so we don't have to go through that same grind and beat all four of those quarterbacks.

[Jordan Ronan]

1-800-919-3776 Close out your phone calls. We'll also check in with Pat O', Keefe, find out what he's got. Coming up at 7 o', clock, it's Don Hanna Rosenberg with Jordan Ronan right here on ESPN New York.

[Pat O'Keefe]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Jordan Ronan]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jordan Ronan]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

You know you don't like that. You don't mind that it's about the eagles?

[Jordan Ronan]

No, I don't have a problem with the bird.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't hate all eagles.

[Jordan Ronan]

No, it's, it's, it represents our country. There, Jordan, you communist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You knew when that came out. That was good. I believe Jacob said there was no, there was no drops that came from this show. But I think he jumped. You think he jumped the gun, right?

[Jordan Ronan]

I think he jumped. Yeah. Believe me. BNN was coming up at 7. Sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you come to us?

[Jordan Ronan]

Let's go to Jonathan in la. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Jonathan?

[Richard]

Hi, guys.

[Jordan Ronan]

Hi, guys.

[Jonathan]

Fellas, I want to thank you guys. You guys did a great work all week. Thank you guys for entertaining me and keeping me on my AirPod all day long, man. Fellas. So the thing is that after these tough losses against Toronto with the Yankees, sometimes I just want to. This team gets me so fed up that sometimes I want to quit on them. But then earlier this week I put them. I mean, I hate this team, the Dodgers, but I put it on because sometimes they're on late night here. And let me tell you, you think the Yankees have open problems. My God, that team doesn't even have a closer. And you should see, I think they blew like three, three games or four games in the last week or so before the All Star Game.

[Richard]

They're pretty bad.

[Jonathan]

So my point is that I think, I mean, I think as long as you just make it to October, it just depends on who makes it to October. It goes into October really hot. Look at what happened to the Mets last year. They went all the way to the National League. You didn't even have hope in them, right, Don?

[Jordan Ronan]

No, I didn't.

[Jonathan]

Just a matter of what.

[Jordan Ronan]

But it's true.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, it's true the hot team just flies through the playoffs.

[Jordan Ronan]

It is true. But as much as there's parity, Jonathan, as much as there is parity still, when you look at last year, both the Mets and the Yankees still lost to a better team. The best team won the World Series, you know, and that may always the case, but that the Dodgers were the best team and they outplayed the Mets, they outplayed the Yankees and they deserve to win. So you're. Eventually, if you're flawed, those flaws are going to get exposed. So you want to try to clean it up as much as you can. But you're right, if the Yankees clean it up and they get hot, they've got as good a chance, I guess, as anybody.

[Jonathan]

And really quick. It got a little bit better today with McMahon's defense at third base. So we'll go from there. I know Cashman is not done yet, but we'll see what happens. Once again, great show as always, fellas. Have a great weekend, fellas. Thank you.

[Jordan Ronan]

You know, you know what's interesting, though? What, Jon? Because it's not 100% true. They didn't get better defensively. It. The defense, the defense stayed the same, probably a third. If it did get better, it was negligible. It's that they'll get better offense with that defense. That's the, that's the deal. Because if you got Suarez, you would have gotten worse defensively at the, at the expense of getting better offensively. It would have come at the expense of defense. Here isn't. Even though he's not a great offensive player, way better than what they had at third base over the last month.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think the reason people are saying that is because Peraza had the big error a few nights back. You know, then that's why they're saying that. But I agree with you. It's probably negligible. The difference between the defense, between Perazzo, who's a good defender, just can't hit a lick.

[Jordan Ronan]

At all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

At all.

[Jordan Ronan]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, and then he makes Anthony Volpe look like a slugger.

[Jordan Ronan]

But that, but then that. It exaggerates what's going on with Volpe and every other hole that you have. Because. Not like you're raking a catcher either. Like, there's certain areas where, like, you're just not getting the offensive production that you're hoping for. That circular lineup that John Sterling always used to talk about back when the Yankees were winning four championships in five years, that doesn't exist on this team. But the defense didn't. Didn't come at the expense of defense to get at least a little bit better offensively. Pat O' Keefe's coming up at 7 o'.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Clock.

[Jordan Ronan]

How are you, buddy? It's good to. Good to catch up with you before the weekend. I'm doing well. Big news today on both fronts, so that's exciting. Yeah, I guess that would be the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jumping off Gregory Soto. Big news.

[Jordan Ronan]

Well, you know, start of something. Yeah, fair point. Fair point. My question for you, Jordan, is this. How much of the music genre of heavy metal did you learn about this week? Because I learned a hell of a lot when I was with Don on Wednesday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Jordan Ronan]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, I learned about Ozzy and Black Sabbath. Yeah, I was, I was a novice, a real novice on the subject. You know, I had a good half.

[Jordan Ronan]

Hour on Wednesday where I kind of just put my feet up and let Don run. And it wasn't bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I actually caught a chunk of it too. And I was like, Pat's getting past, getting a lesson too. Don's on his second day in a row. And I was just, I was worried coming in today, you Know, because I already killed off how many people this week, Don? Too many.

[Jordan Ronan]

Well, at least two. Did you really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, every day I came in, a different person died. I was like, can I get through a day?

[Jordan Ronan]

Because we ended up getting killed. Somebody off for this week, Right, Malcolm. Jamal Warner was number one, and that was under Jordan's watch. And so was Ozzy and so was Hulk Hogan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then Hulk Hogan and Luigi Mangione.

[Jordan Ronan]

No, Chuck Mangione. Stop it. I mean, he's not. Chuck is a national.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know, I know. I'm actually soiling his name. I shouldn't do that because Luigi Mangione. Disgrace.

[Jordan Ronan]

But. And I don't know, I don't. I don't mean to judge you, Pat, but I, I feel like you, you, you're familiar with the work of Chuck Mangione. A little bit. Really? I thought, wow, so what, like what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Chuck Mangione is like this super well known.

[Jordan Ronan]

Well, that's. No, I think I'm sticking with it now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A younger generation.

[Jordan Ronan]

There's no way anyone behind the younger generation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't understand. I'm not the younger generation.

[Jordan Ronan]

I'm just saying in general, though, I don't get it. When I was young, I had a thirst for all things, all knowledge of back in the day. I picked my dad's brain about, you know, football and in the 50s and 60s and baseball. Like, why is there a generation like, oh, anything that happened before 1990, who cares? Come on, man, be well rounded. I think they're the ones saying that LeBron James is the greatest basketball player of all time, aren't they? Right? But they're okay to come up with that opinion. If they did the work on Jordan and said, you know what? I still think LeBron's better. But they don't do the work because it happened back before they were alive and they don't care. I'm infatuated with things that happened before I was alive. What's the matter with people? I'm with you because I think you want to be well rounded. You want to educate yourself because it's all connected, right? That's the great thing about sports, right, guys, is that comparing eras and this team compared to that team, people just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know a lot about jazz.

[Jordan Ronan]

Music and jazz musician Chuck Mangione, man, it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is a little bit obscure to a lot of people.

[Jordan Ronan]

It's not like he's playing Yah's flute. I mean, this is, this is, this is, this is a legend. Oh, Pat. Enjoy the show. Man, you guys kept me entertained this week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good job.

[Jordan Ronan]

Dinner. I'm gonna be listening, Pat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll speak to you on Sunday.

[Jordan Ronan]

Yeah, looking forward to it, Jordan. Thanks. What's happening Sunday?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I got my show hosting. I'll be at Giants camp and he wants Jordan.

[Jordan Ronan]

That's a, that's a big get.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about that?

[Jordan Ronan]

What time are you going to be on? I don't even know yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I think it's 10 o'.

[Jordan Ronan]

Clock. Make him listen to the whole show. Wait for Jordan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

10:00Am Maybe 10:00am it is. I'll be here.

[Jordan Ronan]

Treat them like the way tease it and like do the weather at the end of the, at the end of the broadcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We got.

[Jordan Ronan]

We got a lot of Runway, Jordan, so.

[Jonathan]

All right.

[Jordan Ronan]

Pat o' Keefe is coming up next. Hopefully everybody has a phenomenal weekend. Looks like the weather's starting to clear up in certain areas, but try to stay dry if you can. Jordan, phenomenal job this week. Seriously, great job. It was a role of camp and then doing the show was really fun working with you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm going to go learn about everything pre 2000.

[Jordan Ronan]

Yeah, get, get some homework done. Pat O' Keefe is coming up next. Have a great weekend, everybody. Don on a Rosenberg on ESPN New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Jordan Ronan]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.