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Peter Rosenberg
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Don Hahn
That sounds like heaven to me.
Peter Rosenberg
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Don Hahn
We're just going right down the list, aren't you? I love it. You know this song, don't you?
Peter Rosenberg
Can't say I do. You got me on this one. Who's this?
Don Hahn
I'm trying to remember the name. I'm gonna punch it up here.
Peter Rosenberg
This is from 80.
Don Hahn
Yeah, this was from that countdown.
Peter Rosenberg
That countdown.
Don Hahn
Now it's gonna bother me. I can't. I can't. What was it again? Rocky Burnett. Yeah, Rocky.
Peter Rosenberg
No idea.
Don Hahn
That's right.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
Don Hahn
Dad was in the business. Good song. Good song.
Peter Rosenberg
Okay.
Don Hahn
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Caller 1
Oh, hey, Don. Thanks for picking up Alan as well. I've got two points. First point, I'd like both your takes, but primarily Allen as the Yankee fan. How do you feel about Dave Sims as the radio broadcast? Play by play.
Peter Rosenberg
It's a different sound. I mean, I've always been a fan of Dave's going way back, but because you're so used to hearing John with Susan that it's. It is different. I mean, I. I put on games a lot in the car. You know, like that kind of stuff. I want to keep up and I'll. It's just different. It's. He has different delivery. So. I've heard a lot of fans have, you know, have had some frustration with it, but you just gotta understand it's a. It's A different sound. It's a different personality. That's hard. It's a hard adjustment to do after 30 years. And it's not easy for Dave to just come in and do it his way, knowing that people are just used to a certain sound that they have heard for 30, 40 years.
Caller 1
Valid. And I'm just wondering, and I think that's all accurate, an accurate assessment, but do you sense any tension between he and Susan?
Don Hahn
I don't. You don't hear? I listen a lot.
Peter Rosenberg
Is there because you don't hear? Do you hear it? Is that why.
Caller 1
I'm not sure if I do or if I'm just projecting it, but I do at times kind of feel some tension between the two of them. There's maybe just a disconnect or maybe some frustration on.
Peter Rosenberg
I think Susan doesn't hide her frustration with the way the Yankees place.
Don Hahn
That is true.
Peter Rosenberg
And I think sometimes when they're not playing well, you can, you can hear it in her voice and it might. Maybe then it comes off as she's more projecting to the. To her co host when maybe it's just her, her tone about what I'm seeing on this field right now is unacceptable. Remember, she's seen some great baseball.
Don Hahn
Let me, let me, let me defend the situation. I think, I think he's doing fine, but I think Alan described it very well. We're used to a certain. A sound sound, you know, John Sterling, who was doing it forever. And I thought everybody did a terrific job over the last year or so filling in for John. And then eventually they gave it to Dave Sims. But think of what Susan's going through in pretty much every other broadcast. And you look at the Mets broadcast, Tyree Rose and Keith Rat.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
Don Hahn
All right, there is some interaction there, clearly, but the other guy's doing play by play, Right. So how he's doing play by play, Keith Will is not doing color. He's kind of. He might chime in and he does his innings and they kind of alternate back and forth. So there isn't as much chemistry. Susan is an analyst, which is very rare in baseball, that somebody does all nine innings. She doesn't do any play by play. So that chemistry is more important for them than it is probably any other booth. And she is literally counting. John worked with what this is like the sixth person she's worked with over the last year, plus in baseball, Dave this year, and Ricky Ricardo's done a couple of games and all the guys that were auditioning last year, like, that's a lot to have to do for her.
Peter Rosenberg
Right.
Don Hahn
So you've had this and then she's working with John forever who never missed a game, never missed an inning. And then all of a sudden you go from it's John Sterling every single game for 20 years. And then all of a sudden in a year and a half you're working with six or seven different people. Yeah, I mean it's going to be probably very difficult for her.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, I would think so. And, and look again, no one likes change. So it's that initial stark of that sounds different, I imagine. Like when we were doing these shows in January, I'm sure a lot of people were like, I hate this guy. He's not Michael.
Don Hahn
It's different.
Peter Rosenberg
Right? He's not Michael. This show sucks. Now that's just you're gonna, until you're gonna listen because you're a Yankees fan, you're gonna put it on and little by little you'll get more, more used to it. But I find interesting is this, Don, I will say this, and this has nothing to do with Dave. This is more to do with, with, with Ricardo. He said that broadcast when he's working with Susan sounds more like John and Susan because Ricky Ricardo has sort of that same baritone flamboyance in his delivery and the way he describes a game that is very sterling esque. And so that might be a more familiar sound to people. That might have been the easier transition to make. But Sims was the choice.
Don Hahn
And also an adjustment for Dave is he did television in Seattle and now he's got to be a little bit more descriptive on radio and a team that he's just getting to know. Even though he's been a New York guy and he's done radio forever. I remember doing football for Westwood1. He's a great guy, great personality, but it's adjustment for a lot of people, man. You know, I'm going to go through it in a couple of months, you know, making an adjustment. Different team television to, you know, radio to television. So relax.
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Don Hahn
Janine in New Jersey. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Jeanine?
Janine
Yeah, hi, Don. First thing I want to say, I just want to let you know that when you laugh, I laugh.
Peter Rosenberg
Okay.
Don Hahn
I've got a contagious laugh is what you're saying.
Janine
I'm telling you, it's like, like I'll be out, like, exercising. I'm just like, I'm like, people are looking at me because I'm laughing at the guy in the radio laugh. Anyway, so when I first called in, I think maybe I misunderstood what, what you were saying about the, the salaries and if you wanted to, like, you know, if you would be happy about your team's guy being paid the most.
Don Hahn
Right.
Janine
I don't feel that way, but I don't know if that's what you were, if that's what you meant.
Don Hahn
Well, what I was saying is, I just don't know. I don't think fans care. And if they do care, it's probably more negative than positive. Like, Alan was saying that these guys, the ego, they want to be the highest paid position.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. I think fan, I think fans talk about it because people talk about money in every walk of life. That money is always at the center of a lot of people's conversations. Do you know what he makes? Do you know what he. It's amazing what he makes. But I think players want that status of, even if it's for a week, the highest paid linebacker in the league. They love that status. But also it sets the next standard so that you continue to raise the bar for your position or your players so that you're doing something for your union that they're like, look at you. Look what you were doing. You're raising the standard. We're making more. Like, everybody now will make more because of the contract you got. And I think there's, there's a pride to that.
Janine
Yeah, and that's where I misunderstood. Like, I thought you were saying that, you know, like, fans, like, I mean, I feel like I, I thought, I mean, when Jalen Brunson took, you know, sort of kind of took a pay cut. I was like, wow. I mean, like, you know, he was like. I was like, wow, that's. That's my man.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
Janine
You know, that was great.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
Janine
And one last thing. One last thing. I got to tell you this, Alan. You suggested that song by Travis that. That they covered, that Britney song.
Peter Rosenberg
Yes. Hit Me, Baby, One More Time.
Janine
No. So good.
Peter Rosenberg
You like it?
Janine
Very, very. Oh, I love it. I love it.
Peter Rosenberg
See, Don, I haven't heard it. I'm not. Yes, you did. You hated it. You and Peter killed it.
Don Hahn
I don't even remember this now.
Janine
I thought Don liked it.
Peter Rosenberg
No, Don. Don pretended to like it. Peter killed it. Then Don finally said, I've ruined the segment by playing that song.
Don Hahn
Well, I want to hear it again. A lot of things are going on in my life. I. I don't. I honestly don't remember any of it.
Peter Rosenberg
It's a. It's a acoustic rock cover of Hit Me, Baby, One More Time.
Don Hahn
And I was on the show, and.
Peter Rosenberg
By a band called Travis and I. We were doing covers. We were doing, like, a list with.
Don Hahn
I remember that.
Peter Rosenberg
And I did a list, and I.
Don Hahn
Had this on my top five was the greatest covers of all time.
Peter Rosenberg
And I did it as sort of a. Like, we'd all laugh because it is silly, but if you listen to it, it's so bad. It's good. And if you did it in a bar, like, karaoke style, like, I would love to do this in a bar, because it'd be hilarious.
Don Hahn
But you have it. I have a hair. Yes. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not minding this.
Peter Rosenberg
No, not yet. But you could hear the song, right? Like, you. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Don Hahn
Without question.
Peter Rosenberg
And then you get his voice ready.
Don Hahn
Radiohead kind of feels a little radio. I don't. I. How did I react? I really don't remember how I reacted.
Peter Rosenberg
You were fine. Peter killed it. Then go to, like, the. What do they call it? The.
Don Hahn
The chorus.
Peter Rosenberg
Well, there's this.
Don Hahn
It's different. Maybe I just felt the segment was ruined because Peter went over the top about it. Yeah, I don't think I would have snipped. You know what? If. If there wasn't a Britney version, you probably would think, this is great.
Peter Rosenberg
Hit me, baby, one more time.
Don Hahn
I don't. I don't.
Peter Rosenberg
That's the song. That's it.
Don Hahn
It just, you know, been reacting to Peter's negativity.
Peter Rosenberg
He was. He. He told me I ruined the whole segment.
Don Hahn
I mean, it's very upset. There's nothing to ruin. It's not a great.
Peter Rosenberg
You remember this, don't you? Peter was like beside himself with.
Don Hahn
He was not a fan.
Peter Rosenberg
No, no.
Don Hahn
Hated the Britney's song is not anything to write home about either.
Peter Rosenberg
It's a lot faster.
Don Hahn
Understood. But it's not like. It wasn't like they're trashing a classic.
Peter Rosenberg
That's a good point.
Don Hahn
You know, I mean, so I don't know why you'd be in a way of covering that song.
Peter Rosenberg
Right. It's not like Weird Al covering Beat it, you know. Yeah.
Don Hahn
Or, you know, covering like a Beatles classic or something like. Like that was a hit song. But I mean, Janine liked it.
Peter Rosenberg
It's all I care. At least one other person gets it. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. Mm.
Don Hahn
So that should be fun. Recap. Yankees and the Rays, Mets and the Padres. What else happened in camp?
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, obviously the jets and Giants stuff as that, you know, continues day after day. And again, there's, there's, there's really. This might be the lull part of the schedule, but it is starting to pick up. And it's like I said, the jets camp thing is very interesting. He's a Jets fan, so dive a little deeper into the jets stuff with him. And he's a Yankees fan and we know a series with the Rays coming off of what we've seen. With the Judge injury and the trade deadline two days away, there's a lot of anxiety among Yankees fans. You'd Feel it. And you know, we posted the video. If you missed it, you can find it on social media. But earlier in the show, Don and I talked about the Yankees. And since I got from watching them play the Blue Jays a couple of times watching against the Phillies and I've realized something that I did not know that I had to come to grips with. I don't like the way they play. And as I watched the Blue Jays and started hating them, I started realizing that I hate them, but I respect the hell out of them because I kind of wish the Yankees played like that. And that's never going to change because as you said, the front office is going to say, well, it's too bad you're not entertained, but all we do is win.
Don Hahn
And that's what it's about. And you could talk about the analytics of it all. Well, everybody's playing with analytics, but it seems like there's some more wiggle room. Like the Blue Jays, they obviously believe in analytics, but they also believe in bat on ball, putting the ball in play, what works for them, you know, and it's working for them. And they're fun, fundamentally sound. So and that's the frustrating thing is the Yankees seem to be built the way they want to build it and they're very stubborn about it. Unfortunately, negativity seems to sell because we did a lot of Yankees today, but the Mets have won seven in a row, swept the San Francisco Giants, now they'll take on the Padres. So an interesting time for them. They've retaken over first place. They're a game and a half ahead of Philadelphia. And then the Mets will have Thursday off and they'll come home to take on the Giants again back at home. So things looking good for the Mets? They're getting production from the bottom of the order now with Alvarez back and healthy and hitting. And Mauricio went 4 for 4 yesterday and Mets getting healthier and we'll see how active they're going to be at the deadline. 6pm Friday is the deadline, so we'll be on the air for that and we'll get a sense of what these teams are going to look like going into the weekend.
Peter Rosenberg
So yes, network just told everybody that because Luca Doncic is not only on the COVID of Men's Health magazine looking svelte, he's also here in New York. He's at Yankee Stadium. Yes, he met with Aaron Judge before the game, signed some autographs, exchange, took pictures, all that stuff. He will be in the booth with Michael K. David Cohn And Meredith Moroccovy during the game. And first you say like, it's very random, but it's Luka Doncic.
Don Hahn
Yes.
Peter Rosenberg
And there's a lot going on with him that's going to be interesting. He like, Don, did you see the picture yet of him on the COVID of Men's Health? Yes. It looks really thin, right? Yeah. And he's, he's really changed his diet. He's done a lot of things this offseason, answering a lot of questions and criticisms from the Lakers and stuff. Like how much do you care about that? I get curiosity wise for you to see an athlete who is young, who is top 5 MVP guy. Like he is an MVP candidate every year. This year was not a great year for him. He wasn't taking care. You could see physically like he wasn't doing the extra stuff needed to be done. But now all of a sudden it looks like this off season he is, is part of you, like peak. Like let's see if this turns into where he becomes like even greater star or can you imagine if he starts getting hurt now because he, he's doing all this like, it's so weird.
Don Hahn
But again, can it get better? I mean, he was amazing the year they won the championship.
Peter Rosenberg
Body shamed this guy.
Don Hahn
I know, but wow, that could be something, right? Yeah.
Peter Rosenberg
So let's see what he says on. Yes.
Don Hahn
Let's go to Danny Long Island. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Danny?
Caller 1
Good evening, guys. Getting ready for another Met game. But first, a little pickleball. You know, Alan, we used to have this show called the Michael K Show. And during the summer the running game was that Michael was a rumor. Well, Peter Rosenberg hall might be it. I mean, you need like a little map. Where is Peter? But that's okay. You know, I listen to a lot of radio and Sims is fine. He's different. It's like Susan must be dealing with like, it's like doing a tango with someone for 30 years. You know exactly where their feet are going to be. And now every other week there's somebody else showing up. It's not an easy thing to do. But you know, nobody's turning off the game because Sims is just fine. He's a, he's a nuts and bolts. Guy was a little, you know, expressive, trying to make it about him a little bit. I enjoy John enjoyed the stories, the singing, but this Tim's is just a straight ahead, give you the facts guy. And it's just fine now. You know, we come off a weekend of this Mets. You had a swept three from the Giants after the first game. I really felt that Lindor was coming out of the slump because the last game before that and he was getting on one of those hall of Fame tads where he could carry the team. That did not happen. But the starting pitching and all the pitching was tremendous. But the margin in baseball is so slim. If you think back to Saturday's game, they bring in Diaz, they hit three rockets in the eighth inning. He gets out of there and Pete makes the big catch. Look, Pete's like a little gorilla at the first base there. So it was a rocket, but Pete made a nice play. And then yesterday the man loads the bases with one out and then he manages to strike out the next two guys in like seven pitches in absolutely dominating fashion.
Don Hahn
And not nobody either, right? Like the, the, the, the heart of their lineup. And he got Chapman. It is kind of baffling DS sometimes, but getting back to Saturday because we had gone out, but I got home in time to watch, you know, the majority of that game. I don't know if you were watching the end of the game off the bat. I'm like, all right, they tied the game. It was hit so hard and the camera couldn't get to see the catch. It was hit so hard. But looking back at it, it wasn't so much that Alonzo, how high he got, it looked like it was hit so hard was going to knock him over. But yeah, and he, he played some sparkling defense this weekend in San Francisco. He was picking it. He was playing because he's not known for his days better than he was when he first came up.
Peter Rosenberg
But I think he's good when you picking it. I've always said, I think Alonzo is, is above average when it comes to making sure on this stretch, like when no matter where the throw is, if it's in the dirt, he's really good at picking it at first, right? Like he's, he's good. If the shortstop's got a bounce one, whatever it is, he's good at those. Like at least he's got that.
Don Hahn
Yeah, he's, he's fabulous.
Peter Rosenberg
Not rangy, obviously, not very agile, but wasn't that low.
Don Hahn
That's the amazing thing about baseball. Like a week ago, I don't think the Mets are ready. They don't look like a championship caliber team. And then you win seven in a row. And again, the Angels aren't good, but they're around.500. And the Giants were in it until. It's weird, they made the Devers deal and they've just like sank from there. They made a good point. The broadcast, though, he'll get better. Like he's just, he's not used to the ballpark or ever that that Devers deal is going to work out for San Francisco, although it hasn't bear fruit just yet. But you know, that's their problem right now. Mets and Yankees, for all the faults, all the warts, Mets are in first place, Yankees are still a playoff team and we're going to be talking about it tomorrow at 3 o'.
Peter Rosenberg
Clock. I keep saying it, every series is important. Oh, this is important. This is important. You're playing the rage. You're playing your division. You have an awful division record. Another important series for the Yankees.
Don Hahn
Jake Aspen's coming up next. We'll talk to you again at 3:00'.
Peter Rosenberg
Clock.
Don Hahn
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Peter Rosenberg
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Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: Last Call Crew
Podcast Information:
Timestamp: [01:51] – [05:30]
The episode kicks off with a discussion about the New York Yankees’ recent changes in their radio broadcast team. Caller Cody from San Diego initiates the conversation by expressing concerns over Dave Sims taking over play-by-play duties from the long-time John Sterling.
Peter Rosenberg highlights the challenge: “Dave has a different sound and personality. It’s a hard adjustment after 30 years with John Sterling” ([02:04]).
Don Hahn adds context on the difficulty for Susan, the analyst, who has to adapt to multiple new play-by-play partners within a short period: “She’s worked with six or seven different people over the last year” ([04:04]).
The hosts agree that change is often met with resistance, especially when fans are accustomed to a particular style. They discuss the importance of chemistry in the broadcast booth and how the frequent changes have impacted Susan’s dynamic with the play-by-play commentators.
Timestamp: [05:11] – [06:43]
Continuing the segment, Peter Rosenberg observes that Ricky Ricardo’s style might be more familiar to listeners: “Ricky has that same baritone flamboyance in his delivery” ([05:30]). However, Don Hahn emphasizes that Dave Sims' transition from television to radio requires an adjustment period: “He’s a great guy, but it’s an adjustment for a lot of people” ([06:14]).
The hosts conclude that while changes are challenging, listeners may grow accustomed to Dave Sims’ approach over time, especially as he settles into his role.
Timestamp: [07:42] – [12:21]
The conversation shifts to a musical segment reminiscing about a previous episode where they featured Travis’s acoustic cover of Britney Spears' "Hit Me, Baby, One More Time."
Janine from New Jersey shares her amusement: “When I first called in, I thought... if you would be happy about your team’s guy being paid the most” ([07:56]).
The hosts engage in playful banter about the cover, with Peter Rosenberg describing it as “so bad. It’s good” ([10:26]).
Despite mixed feelings, Don Hahn acknowledges the humor and inclusivity of the segment: “At least one other person gets it” ([12:39]).
Timestamp: [07:42] – [09:57]
Caller Janine brings up the topic of player salaries, initially misunderstanding the hosts' discussion. This leads to a deeper dive into how fan perceptions of salaries can influence team dynamics.
Peter Rosenberg explains the allure for players: “They want to be the highest paid... it sets the next standard” ([08:36]).
Don Hahn concurs, noting that while fans discuss salaries, players are often focused on status and setting benchmarks for future contracts ([08:19]-[09:21]).
The discussion underscores the balance teams must maintain between salary negotiations and maintaining team chemistry, as well as how these negotiations affect fan sentiments.
Timestamp: [13:06] – [21:15]
The hosts analyze the current season's dynamics between the Yankees and Mets, highlighting:
Mets' Surge: The Mets have won seven straight games, sweeping the San Francisco Giants and taking over first place, with key performances from players like Alvarez and Mauricio ([14:54]-[16:06]).
Yankees' Struggles: In contrast, the Yankees face anxiety with looming trade deadlines and injuries, particularly the recent injury to star Aaron Judge ([16:06]-[17:35]).
Peter Rosenberg reflects on his changing feelings towards team playstyles, noting, “I don’t like the way they play… I respect the hell out of them” ([14:57]). This sentiment captures the frustration fans may feel when a beloved team’s performance doesn’t align with expectations.
Don Hahn adds that the Yankees’ adherence to their established ways, despite the Blue Jays’ success with a more analytics-driven approach, is a source of frustration: “The Yankees seem to be built the way they want to build it and they’re very stubborn about it” ([14:57]).
Timestamp: [16:37] – [17:44]
A unique segment covers Luka Doncic’s unexpected appearance at Yankee Stadium, discussing his transformation and its implications.
Peter Rosenberg comments on Doncic’s physical change, noting his “svelte” appearance in Men's Health magazine and his enhanced diet this offseason ([16:37]).
Don Hahn muses about the potential impact of Doncic’s changes: “Can it get better?... that could be something” ([17:38]).
This segment explores the interconnectedness of athletes across sports and how personal transformations can influence their professional trajectories.
Timestamp: [17:45] – [21:15]
Danny from Long Island calls in to discuss the Mets' recent games, praising Alonzo for his defensive prowess.
Danny highlights Alonzo’s improved performance: “He’s really good at picking it at first” ([20:03]).
Don Hahn agrees, emphasizing the importance of consistent defensive plays in tight games: “He’s fabulous” ([20:24]).
The conversation further explores the Mets' strategic plays and the significance of each series in solidifying their standing in the league.
In this episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg, the hosts delve into the evolving dynamics of sports broadcasting, player salaries, and team performances. From the Yankees' broadcast transitions and the Mets' impressive winning streak to Luka Doncic's surprising transformation, the trio provides insightful commentary backed by engaging discussions and listener interactions. The blend of in-depth analysis and lighthearted moments, such as the musical segment, offers a comprehensive view of the current sports landscape in New York and beyond.
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For those who haven’t tuned in, Don, Hahn & Rosenberg offers a vibrant mix of sports analysis, personal anecdotes, and candid conversations, making it a must-listen for New York sports enthusiasts.