Hour 4: Last Call Crew

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: Last Call Crew

Episode Information:

• Title: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg
• Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
• Episode: Hour 4: Last Call Crew
• Release Date: August 11, 2025

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1. Opening Analysis: Yankees vs. Twins & Mets vs. Braves

The episode kicks off with Don La Greca providing a comprehensive analysis of the upcoming baseball games. He discusses the Yankees' matchup against the Minnesota Twins, highlighting the Twins' historical struggles against New York:

• Don La Greca [00:43]: “No Mets tonight, Yankees and Twins. We all know Twins have never been a threat in their best years against the Yankees.”

He expresses skepticism over the Yankees' ability to dominate the Twins, emphasizing potential fan reactions if the Yankees falter:

• Don La Greca [00:47]: “So, boy, if the Yankees struggle in this series against Minnesota, man, forget about it. People will be apoplectic.”

Additionally, Don analyzes the Mets' upcoming game against the Braves, noting the longstanding challenges the Mets face against this team:

• Don La Greca [00:55]: “But as we know, the Braves have been a major pain for the Mets for a long time.”

He wraps up this segment by setting the stage for an exciting week of baseball, anticipating strong performances from teams like the Mariners.

2. Social Media and Fan Base Criticism

A caller initiates a discussion on the negative aspects of social media within sports fandom, particularly targeting Yankees, Cowboys, and WWE fans for their constant complaints:

• Caller [02:05]: “Who has the worst fan base when it comes to, like, social media people? Because for me, it's like Yankees, Cowboys, and WWE fans because all they do is complain about everything.”

Don and Chris delve into the prevalence of criticism across various sports leagues:

• Don La Greca [02:54]: “Most of the commissioners get booed when they get introduced. I just think most fans are very cynical. They like to complain.”

Chris adds his perspective, noting that while WWE fans are generally supportive in person, online interactions reveal a more critical side:

• Chris Carlin [02:42]: “So much of the fan base is about being critical. Both critical of the product and critical of the company.”

3. Streaming Services and NFL Broadcasting Deals

The conversation shifts to the impact of streaming services on sports broadcasting, particularly focusing on the NFL's potential move to a pay-per-view model for marquee events like the Super Bowl:

• Caller [04:12]: “I just, I'm so done with social media because everybody complains about stuff going to streaming services and such.”

Don raises concerns about the financial implications for the NFL:

• Don La Greca [04:14]: “Because I still think you'll end up not making as much money as you're making now.”

Chris provides insights into existing deals, highlighting the UFC's partnership with CBS as an example:

• Chris Carlin [05:24]: “The Paramount deal is seven years annual, 1.1 billion.”

Don questions whether a pay-per-view model could match the revenue generated from traditional network broadcasting:

• Don La Greca [05:39]: “How much money do you think you'd make if they pay per view the Super Bowl?”

Chris reinforces the value of network television, suggesting that a shift to pay-per-view would reduce viewership and overall revenue:

• Chris Carlin [05:45]: “No, of course not. And thus is the value of network television.”

4. WWE's Partnership with ESPN/Disney and Content PG Rating

A caller brings up concerns regarding WWE's content following its deal with ESPN/Disney, questioning whether the programming will become more family-friendly:

• Caller [10:12]: “Now that WWE went with ESPN slash Disney, you think it's gonna get even more PG?”

Chris counters this assumption by comparing WWE's potential content changes to UFC's existing content, arguing that WWE will maintain its current level of edginess:

• Chris Carlin [11:04]: “WWE is never going to be as edgy as UFC has been the last many years.”

Don and Chris discuss the likelihood of content modification, ultimately agreeing that WWE will retain its signature style:

• Don La Greca [12:13]: “No, I think it'll be fine.”

5. Yankee Stadium: History and Naming Conventions

Richard from Manhattan engages in a detailed discussion about the nomenclature and history of Yankee Stadium, challenging the simplistic labeling of the stadium as merely "old" or "new":

• Caller [15:35]: “People refer to Yankee Stadium as the old Yankee Stadium, the new Yankee stadium, it's really three Yankee stadiums.”

Don and Chris explore the architectural and sociological aspects, debating whether the refurbished stadium qualifies as a new entity:

• Don La Greca [19:02]: “If you move the building, then it becomes the new building.”

Chris further differentiates between renovations and complete relocations, using examples like Madison Square Garden and TD Garden:

• Chris Carlin [19:39]: “Madison Square Garden is not a new building. If you move the building, it becomes the new one.”

6. Baseball Management Strategies: RBI and Double Plays

A caller poses a scenario about baseball management decisions, questioning the awarding of RBIs (Runs Batted In) when strategic plays, like double plays, prevent scoring in crucial situations:

• Caller [14:26]: “Are you happy? The next batter got the run in first. Are you happy?”

Don provides a nuanced response, explaining the circumstances under which an RBI should or shouldn't be awarded:

• Don La Greca [15:02]: “If it's 2:2, yes, I'm happy now.”

The discussion evolves into a broader debate about the integrity of statistical awards in specific game scenarios:

• Caller [15:46]: “Anytime you get a drop out of Richard in a phone call, it's a positive thing. And it's funny. I'm talking about pee. And then I mentioned dropping. Get it? It's all coming together.”

7. Concluding Remarks and Upcoming Segments

As the episode nears its end, Don summarizes the week's sports outlook, mentioning upcoming games and the preseason:

• Don La Greca [22:05]: “Pat O'Keefe is coming up next... enjoy the baseball, enjoy your day.”

Chris promotes upcoming events and segments, including FanDuel Futures Day:

• Chris Carlin [21:35]: “FanDuel Futures Day, a new holiday for football fans.”

The hosts wrap up with light-hearted banter about music and personal preferences, maintaining the show's engaging and personable tone.

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Notable Quotes:

• Don La Greca [02:54]: “Most of the commissioners get booed when they get introduced. I just think most fans are very cynical. They like to complain.”
• Chris Carlin [05:24]: “The Paramount deal is seven years annual, 1.1 billion.”
• Chris Carlin [11:04]: “WWE is never going to be as edgy as UFC has been the last many years.”
• Don La Greca [15:02]: “If it's 2:2, yes, I'm happy now.”

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This episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg offers insightful discussions on current sports topics, ranging from fan behavior on social media to the financial intricacies of sports broadcasting deals. The hosts engage with callers to explore diverse viewpoints, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the issues at hand.

Transcript

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[Don La Greca]

No Mets tonight, Yankees and Twins. We all know Twins have never been a threat in their best years against the Yankees. So, boy, if the Yankees struggle in this series against Minnesota, man, forget about it. People will be apoplectic. And then you got the Mets taken on the Braves starting tomorrow. So at least on the surface you say, well, Braves aren't very good. Met should be able to get back on track against the Braves. But as we know, the Braves have been a major pain for the Mets for a long time. So kind of odd that we'll get both the Mets and the Yankees at home this week, or at least for the first portion of it. So we're looking Forward to that. 1-800-919-3776. Allen on vacation the rest of the week. So the wolf pack is back. I haven't seen this guy since the Beach Bash back in late June. So it's nice to have Peter back into the fold and we'll be all whole again once we get outside of Labor Day. 1-800-919-3776. Let's go to John. He's in Bethlehem. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, John?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. It's been a while. Hope all is well.

[Don La Greca]

All good, baby.

[Caller]

That's good. First of all, Peter, I'm headed to Monday Night Raw and Silly next week, so I'm psyched about that.

[Don La Greca]

Ooh, God bless.

[Caller]

Yeah, God bless. Yeah. And basically with this whole. I just, I'm so done with social media because everybody, everybody complains about stuff going to streaming services and such. And it's got me thinking, who has the worst fan base when it comes to, like, social media people? Because for me, it's like Yankees, Cowboys, and WWE fans because all they do is complain about everything.

[Don La Greca]

That's an interesting is interesting. Like who. What fan base complains the most?

[Chris Carlin]

See, I never think about it with WWE because, like our fans in Person are the absolute best in the world, but.

[Caller]

Right.

[Chris Carlin]

But online, you are right. Like, so much of the fan base is about being critic. Both critical of the product and critical of the company. So basically just critical of everything all the time.

[Don La Greca]

So interesting. I just think it really depends on what you're into, because it seems like every sport on social media, the fans seem to kill that league. Even the NFL. You know, killing Roger Goodell, killing ownership. Greedy NFL. Even if they love football, they'll complain about the NFL. Hockey, basketball, baseball, the same thing. Most of the commissioners get booed when they get introduced. I just think most fans are very cynical. They like to complain. Social media is the best place to.

[Chris Carlin]

That is true. So what league do I not actually kind of hate on? The league, I guess the NBA I mostly like. But baseball, I've got complaints. Football, I've got plenty of complaints. No, ufc, I've got complain. Yeah, that is true.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah. So I just think the closer you are to it, it feels like, boy, they complain more than anybody else. It just means that you're just a little bit closer to it, that's all. That's the difference there. Elliot and Bayshore, you're on ESPN New York.

[Caller]

Oh, hey, guys. I can finally say, first time, long time. Cool.

[Don La Greca]

Hey.

[Caller]

So I had a. I had a conversation with my friends yesterday about.

[Don La Greca]

This whole streaming thing, because I myself is a WWE fan and a UFC fan.

[Caller]

So I had a thought that what.

[Don La Greca]

Is stopping the NFL from implementing a streaming and then paying for service? Sort of like what the US did, like, for, like a Super bowl or like a playoff game? Because I still think you'll end up not making as much money as you're making now. These networks pay such an outrageous amount of money for the rights. So if you were to put the super bowl on pay per view, you would not make the same money that you would make from the networks what they pay to be in the super bowl rotation.

[Chris Carlin]

Well, as evidenced by what this deal is that UFC just signed. I mean, yes, Paramount is a streaming place, but really what they did was sign a deal with cbs. And that's how they're getting, like, football numbers, essentially.

[Don La Greca]

But, like, how much is CBS paying for football to be in, what, a rotation for the Super Bowl? What, once every three years?

[Chris Carlin]

What is a billion a year?

[Caller]

I don't know.

[Don La Greca]

No, it's probably more than that. Like, how much money do you think you'd make if you pay per viewed the Super Bowl? Because those casuals that love watching the super bowl may not watch the super bowl if they got to pay like $90 for it. Right.

[Chris Carlin]

So for the record, the paramount deal is seven years annual, 1.1 billion.

[Don La Greca]

Annually.

[Chris Carlin]

Annually. I wonder what CBS's annual NFL deal is.

[Don La Greca]

Oh, sure, it's got to be like 10 billion. I got to look it up or if Anthony can quickly look it up for me. But do you think now, first of all, you got, you know, sometimes 50 people at once watching the Super Bowl. So you'll probably see somebody say, all right, I'm going to have the super bowl at my house, like a big fight, and I'll pay the 100 bucks for the Super Bowl. You come up, come over, we'll have a party. But the ratings that they get, you think you can get the same amount of people watching it if they had to pay?

[Chris Carlin]

No, of course not.

[Don La Greca]

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[Chris Carlin]

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[Don La Greca]

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[Chris Carlin]

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[Don La Greca]

Okay, so yeah, so it's double. You know, it's not 10, but it's all, you know, it's a lot. So you think you're going to be able to make that and that and that's just to be able to air the point the season games and be in the rotation for the Super Bowl. So you're not guaranteed the super bowl every year, right? So there's some years you're paying for it and you get the super bowl and then the other two you're not even getting won't. It won't happen. It's. I think that would be a line drawn in the sand when you start having it's one thing to have to pay for the app, but you're at least getting other things for it. But if you start having to pay per view for football games, they'll get their money, but they won't get what they're already getting by the Net from the networks. Jonathan in la, you're on ESPN New York.

[Caller]

Hi, guys.

[Don La Greca]

Hi.

[Caller]

I can't be. It can't. No offense to Adam, but this is gold right here. The Wolf Pack back together, snorting ants. I mean, come on, man. Everything, man. Guys, Peter, I got a question for you. I'm here. I couldn't get them in last week. Anton, great having you back to man. Peter. So now that WWE went with ESPN slash Disney, you think it's gonna get even more pg? Like less blood, less even cursing even? I mean, what do you think about that? Also, what do you think on David Greco's Mount Rushmore? He. He has Andre the Giant, Ric Flair, Austin and Hogan. I personally respect to Andre, but I'll switch Andre to John Cena. What do you think other than that? Great show as always, fellas. Thanks, Jonathan.

[Don La Greca]

Appreciate it.

[Chris Carlin]

Thanks, Jonathan. I saw, I saw Dave's thing. I, I think my struggle is Andre also, as much as I love him and I think his value of how he changed the business is immense. I just don't think he can be on it because he just. It's just such a different sort of time and what he did was so different. So the point that I had made recently, I'm right in lockstep, is that Hogan and Flair basically have to be there and then how you decide the next two is where it gets interesting. As for WWWE getting more PG, I heard Dave Legreca and I think he was on with Tommy Dreamer discussing that. Here's why I don't think that's the case with WWE going to Disney. Oh, that means they're going to get pg. I can end that argument right now. Have you watched UFC on Disney? It ain't pg. And WWE is never going to be as edgy as UFC has been the last many years. Think about it. Ufc, they're dropping F bombs in the post, in the post fight conversations. They're bleeding through everything. No, WWE does not have to get safer because it's going to espn.

[Don La Greca]

I would be interested to how much CBS will allow. Are they going to be on?

[Chris Carlin]

That'll be different. So UFC is going to have changes if they go to cbs. I don't think WWE is going to have changes because it's going to espn. No, I think it'll be fine.

[Don La Greca]

No, I think, I think it'll be.

[Chris Carlin]

Around as safe as it currently is.

[Don La Greca]

1-800-919-3776. We'll close it out with your phone calls. We'll also set you up for Pat O' Keefe, who's coming up at 7:00'? Clock? Don Hanna, Rosenberg on ESPN New York.

[Chris Carlin]

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[Don La Greca]

Don on and Rosenberg with you. It'll seven o' clock and then it's Pat O'. Keefe. 1-800-919-3776.

[Chris Carlin]

What is this again, Phil?

[Don La Greca]

Seven. It's Ozzy. You know this.

[Chris Carlin]

I know that quote.

[Don La Greca]

It's coming home, mama, I'm coming home.

[Chris Carlin]

I like this. Why do I Ozzy like whether it's this or changes when he's at the, like, balladish bag. That's like, to me, that's the stuff that really is awesome of his.

[Don La Greca]

Well, that's why you love changes.

[Chris Carlin]

I love changes.

[Don La Greca]

Probably your favorite Sabbath song.

[Chris Carlin]

Number one with the Bullet. I'm gonna add this to my favorite list too, though. You said it's called I'm coming home.

[Don La Greca]

Yep. My mom.

[Chris Carlin]

I'm coming home by Ozzy.

[Don La Greca]

Yeah. Okay, let's go to Richard in Manhattan. Are you ready for Richard? It's been a while. I've been on vacation. What's up, Richard? How are you?

[Caller]

Hi, Don. Hi, Peter. Fellas, put yourself in a manager's position. Okay, Baseball manager, you have first and third, your team. And nobody out. First and third, nobody out. The batter gets the run in. Are you happy? The next batter got the run in first. Answer this, are you guys happy?

[Don La Greca]

Well, it depends on the situation. If I'm down five, nothing. No, I'm not happy.

[Caller]

But it's a two, two game.

[Don La Greca]

If it's a two, two game and I take the lead. Of course I'm happy.

[Caller]

Okay, now are you happy if he hits into a double play to get that run in?

[Don La Greca]

If it's 2:2, yes, I'm happy now.

[Caller]

After all these years, Don. Peter, a batter is Peter Ice. He doesn't get credit for an rbi. Why don't they change it? It's a good thing he got the run in.

[Don La Greca]

I guess, but it's, I guess, the reason.

[Caller]

I get it. But I'm just saying. Well, because I agree that it's a good thing that he got the run in. By and large, it's a positive thing. Correct.

[Don La Greca]

True. But you're not going to now have an official score, say, let's give the RBI in certain situations, not give the RBI and others. In most cases, it's a rally.

[Caller]

I don't know.

[Don La Greca]

But think about it. Think about it. If it's because you gave the two two, that's, that's, that's big. But if it's two two, you know, if the game's in the ninth inning and the game is tied at two, they wouldn't go for the double play, Right? They would, they would go try to get. Make sure the guy stays at third. So, so the point is, is that it's a choice, like fielder's choice, but in the sense of, hey, you just, you maybe ended the inning or you took them out of a rally by hitting in a double play. I'm not going to reward him with an RBI when you basically killed the inning. And if it's a close game, then they're probably not going to go for the double play. The infield is going to be in and they're going to try to keep the runner at third if there's, if there's nobody out. So that's why they don't give the rbi, because in most cases, they're letting you score by getting the double play. So I'm not going to allow them to get the rbi.

[Caller]

Okay. You know, I have a pet peeve. People refer to Yankee Stadium as the old Yankee Stadium, the new Yankee stadium, it's really three Yankee stadiums. The old stadium was from 1923 to 1973. The second stadium was the refurbished Yankee Stadium, which doesn't look anywhere inside like the old Yankee Stadium. So you have the old Yankee Stadium, the refurbished stadium from 76 to 2008, and then the new Yankee Stadium. So I don't think it should be just old Yankee Stadium, new Yankee Stadium.

[Don La Greca]

But when you refurbish something, you. It's still the same build.

[Chris Carlin]

Here's my question. Was home plate in the same place? It was not. Right?

[Caller]

In the refurbished stadium, the size of the stadium went from 67,000 to 53,000.

[Don La Greca]

You know why, Sweets? I don't know.

[Caller]

No, Peter, you should notice. This is sociological. This has nothing to do with sports. People got fatter and bigger. People in the 1920s were small and skinny, so they can fit 67,000 in that same size stadium. As they got bigger and bigger and bigger and more junk food became prevalent. That's why the number of seats, fellas. You know, you were talking about peeing before, by the way, a few weeks back. Do you remember the old urinals that went all the way down to the floor?

[Don La Greca]

Yes.

[Caller]

I guess that's why they did it that way. Because this way you wouldn't leak urine underneath the urinal. You remember that? You guys were talking about puddles of urine.

[Don La Greca]

Yes, but do you remember that?

[Caller]

I don't know. Do you ever pee in one of.

[Don La Greca]

No, no, no, no. That was something that was talked about when Jordan was in. All right. Okay. This was a very strange call.

[Chris Carlin]

I gotta get out of here.

[Don La Greca]

All right. When? When. When Jordan filled in for Peter. What? His Tuesday. It's been a week then. I've been on vacation. Talk about it. But talk about a Tuesday was why there's so much pee underneath urinals in bathrooms. So he was repurposing something from a couple of weeks ago. We got into rewarding. An RBI and a double play that was. And then. I don't know. Peter, are you. Do you feel, in a way about the fact that he said, this isn't sports. You should know it. Like, now we're in your wheelhouse. But we're off sports now, Peter, so you should know what we're talking about.

[Chris Carlin]

Listen, don't worry. It's not sports. It's sociological. Wait, what?

[Don La Greca]

You're right.

[Chris Carlin]

That was deeply offensive.

[Don La Greca]

It was. And I don't think. I. Honestly, I know that we're fatter people, but not to the point where it reduces the attendance by 14,000. Stop it. No, they probably added some sweets. Jimmy switched some things around and lost some seating. And probably intentionally, because they probably figured, I don't want to have to fill a building with 65,000 people every day. Let's lower it.

[Chris Carlin]

But also, I. I've heard that conversation before. If home plate is in the same place and it was shaped as the same thing, but the seating change, it is the old state.

[Don La Greca]

You don't refurbish a building and then Say, what do you call Madison Square Garden? Right. Madison Square Garden is not a new building. It's a refurbished building. If you move the building, if it's in a different location, then it becomes the new building.

[Chris Carlin]

For example, there's Boston Garden and there's TD Garden. It became a new place. They moved.

[Don La Greca]

Right. And you know Citi Field is next to where Shea Stadium used to be. It's a different building. It's not called Shea and it's not in the exact same place. They tore one down and they rebuilt another stadium. Thus new.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah. No, Richard, I love you, but no.

[Don La Greca]

That was a tough Richard call, but.

[Chris Carlin]

It was also entertaining.

[Don La Greca]

It was entertaining because I think Richard in a nutshell, you know, when he started, when the fact that you're talking about peeing, I think is going to be a drop. So anytime you get a drop out of Richard in a phone call, it's a positive thing. And it's funny. I'm talking about pee. And then I mentioned dropping. Get it? It's all coming together. Really took Richard to bring it all together. Well, this was a fun show. Pat o' Keefe is going to come up next. So here's the lay of the land. Yankees, Twins tonight at the stadium. Yankees have struggled mightily. We'll see if that the Twins, which is always a welcome sight, bringing these Central Division teams, they always seem to be able to beat the Twins. Yankees gotta sweep the Twins. I know you just want to win series, but after losing two out of three to Houston, losing out two out of three to Texas, you've been given the gift of the Minnesota Twins. Matter of fact, the Yankees schedule, not bad because after an off day Thursday over the weekend, they're going to take on the Cardinals, who sold and aren't that great. So this should be a week in which the Yankees can kind of get some stuff going here. As far as the Mets are concerned, you've got the Braves. Everybody knows what, what a pain the Braves are. So even though the Braves are 51 and 67, you gotta feel like it's always a struggle against the Braves. Hopefully the Mets can get something going in. The Mariners come in and the Mariners are a team that's been hot. They're now 13 games above.500. Heck, they've got a better record than the Mets do. So Braves, because they're a pain. Seattle right now, better than the Mets. So a very interesting week for these two teams as the Mets are going to be home at Citi Field. And the Yankees, after they finish up the three game set against Minnesota will be in St. Louis to take on the Cardinals football. And now a big part of what we're doing now is the preseason is already underway, so we're going to be talking about that coming up. Do we have Mike Tannenbaum? Did you book Mike Tannenbaum for tomorrow?

[Caller]

We're working on it.

[Don La Greca]

Working on it. So maybe Mike Tannenbaum so we can kind of get into his theory about how for whatever reason, Jackson Dart should start Week one for the New York Giants. I hate giving him heat and not being able to talk to him personally. So hopefully we'll have Mike Tannenbaum on tomorrow talk about it Tuesday as well. That'll be coming up at 4:30, so I'm looking forward to that. It's myself and Peter all week. Allen's on vacation will finally be whole again the day after Labor Day on September 2nd. So enjoy the baseball, enjoy your day. Pat O' Keefe is coming up next. This was Don Hahn and Rosenberg right here on ESPN New York.

[Chris Carlin]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the.

[Don La Greca]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.

[Chris Carlin]

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