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Don Hahn
is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.
Rosenberg
That sounds like heaven to me.
Don Hahn
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8:80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
Rosenberg
Last call crew 1-800-919-3776, take capital 7 o'.
Caller Richard
Clock.
Rosenberg
Mets losing 7 to 1 in the bottom of the eighth inning. So it looks like they'll have the rubber match tomorrow. Significance of triumph Jacob or just no reason? Good for you. Question for do you have a problem with Mendoza staying home for the draft and not being in Pittsburgh when he is the consensus number one pick?
Don Hahn
No, I don't.
Alan
I don't.
Don Hahn
It's on Brand.
Rosenberg
It's all.
Alan
That's the thing. I don't. But just remember what I just said. Yeah, I, I'm very honored. I'm good. Like listen, I hate Don. I hate the hugging of Goodell. I hate the stupid, I hate all of it. But like the idea when you know you're number one so the show's based around you. It does feel, feels a little self indulgent in the sense that you like I imagine they want him there or you know, or this wouldn't be a story.
Don Hahn
I imagine he, he wants to make the point that it's about family. You know, his mother, I'm here with my family. But in reality though, we know his mother, she's not able to get around like it's hard for her to get certain places. Oh well that's, that would be an absolute disaster having him on the stage, all that mess, her having to be backstage.
Alan
Then you know, if it's, if it's a matter of simply as being hard for his mom to get around that, that to me is enough reason.
Don Hahn
Yeah, exactly. I think, I'm sure there's something to that. And then on top of it, we all know that the minute you're drafted you are put through the car wash of media and then you have to go to the facility to, to Vegas.
Alan
Yeah.
Don Hahn
So for him it's probably just the easiest thing to do.
Alan
Although it is interesting, right?
Rosenberg
What?
Alan
The drafts.
Rosenberg
Pittsburgh.
Caller Richard
Right.
Alan
There's gonna be.
Rosenberg
Yeah, right. I'm sure the NFL like him to be there, but if he wants to be with his family and his mom can travel, it seems like the logical thing to do.
Don Hahn
Yeah.
Rosenberg
I mean, from the television portion of it, what's the difference if he's there or whether he's at home? He's still going to be on our screen. The only difference would be if, like, if it was in Vegas, then I can understand, like, man, Vegas has got the first overall.
Commercial Announcer
That's different.
Rosenberg
It's in the draft, it's in Vegas, it's in Pittsburgh. What is it? You think any of the people that are going to be there are going to care whether Mendoza's on the stage or not?
Don Hahn
Just cheer and whatever.
Rosenberg
I don't need to see Roger Goodell hug another player.
Don Hahn
Your mom has Ms. And she has to be in a wheelchair in these kinds of places. And, you know, you got to get on a plane again and fly.
Rosenberg
Biggest day of life. And I want to be there with my family. And the answer would be, well, we'll send your family to Pittsburgh. But if his mom can't travel, then no, that's, no, no, she can travel.
Don Hahn
It's just, it's a lot.
Alan
Right, but why put her through that
Rosenberg
if you don't have to? We have the technology now. Okay. Heck, it might have been a pain in the neck before. Oh, I got to send a camera crew. Unless we know he's gonna be the first pick.
Alan
Right.
Rosenberg
Takes two seconds to pop it up on zoom.
Don Hahn
Very easy.
Rosenberg
All right.
Don Hahn
Most of the first round guys have a camera set up in their house.
Rosenberg
Yeah, yeah. So it's not, it's not a big deal.
Don Hahn
Okay.
Rosenberg
But I, I, but it was a topic this morning and a lot of back and forth and I personally don't care about it. And I'm glad you guys don't either.
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Rosenberg
1-800-919-3776 let's go to Richard in Manhattan. You're on ESPN New York.
Caller Richard
Hello, Richard, Don, Peter Allen, Adam Silver figured out a way to get an in season tournament in December. Fine. Y net buck game should have been a playoff game for the draft choices. Now if you don't want the games at the end of the season to count, that's fine. But you can figure out a way. If you figured out a way in December to get games, you can figure this out for the 10 teams that don't have.
Don Hahn
No, no. Let me interrupt because I do need to tell you. A, this has been talked about on this show many times. B, you are never going to get players to try hard for a draft pick in a game. They don't care about draft picks. They don't want this matter.
Caller Richard
The fans care, but the coaches care.
Don Hahn
But no the coach. The players don't want to be replaced by a draft pick. They will not care. You will piss off the players by asking them to play for their replacement. They don't care. You can't make a game to pick a lottery pick. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. They're never going to win a tournament for a draft pick. It's never going to happen.
Caller Richard
But you're playing the game, not for the players. Alan, you're misunderstanding.
Alan
Players have to play the game, Richard.
Caller Richard
No, they don't. I don't care if you bring up G league guys.
Don Hahn
I'm watching G league guys do this because G league guys want to get on the team next year. I don't want to play. Play for your draft picks and then I get kicked off the G league team because draft picks.
Caller Richard
Alan, you're not understanding me. With all due respect, I want to hear me as a fan. I'm watching the Nick Buck game yesterday. You know why? I don't care if they have G league players. It doesn't matter to. The only thing that matters to me is the result. If the Nets win, they will get it back. So you're eliminating. You're eliminating, tanking, playing for the worst record by doing all of this. It doesn't matter. Alan, you have to let me finish. You'll never eliminate players, Richard.
Alan
I'm going to help. I'm going to help.
Don Hahn
I know you're watching.
Alan
You're missing Alan's point. He fully gets what you're saying. But ultimately a team has to field players and no players should G league or current players will be motivated to play for a draft pick. So they would never do it. That's why. So you're talking about what you would
Don Hahn
think and what you want players is going to be like. Wait, wait, I'm going to have guys playing to get a high draft pick that could replace one of my players. What is the motivation from a player to want to win that game? It's not there.
Rosenberg
And also, there's other ways to do it. This is not it. He's full of it, too, because he's like, I just want to see the Nets and the Bucks play for something. I don't care if they called up a bunch of G league guys.
Don Hahn
There's a reason why they.
Rosenberg
How. How do you tell? A net or a wizard. Oh, by the way, you're not playing tonight.
Don Hahn
Wait, wait. No, no. Did someone win the game?
Rosenberg
Yes.
Don Hahn
Yeah. Isn't that the end result that you're looking for? Someone won the game.
Rosenberg
Somebody did play and the team won the game. Didn't want to win it. But the.
Alan
You know.
Rosenberg
You know what's funny?
Don Hahn
Oh, no, no. They did want to win it. They just won two. Two games in a row. They clearly are still competing.
Rosenberg
But it could have hurt them, obviously, for the pick.
Don Hahn
Of course it could hurt them.
Rosenberg
But what I found interesting, this was all over social media the other day.
Don Hahn
Okay.
Rosenberg
Because the game was what today's. What I think was like, was it Monday?
Don Hahn
That was Monday. Yeah.
Rosenberg
That the place was packed. There was a lot of energy in the building.
Don Hahn
Yes, I saw that.
Rosenberg
And people were like, you know, it just shows you how healthy basketball is. These are two lousy teams, don't care if they win. And yet the building's packed. It was family Day. So it might have even been Sunday, now that I think about it.
Don Hahn
I thought it was Monday.
Rosenberg
But okay, whatever it is. But, you know, people came out to see it then the NBA is gonna look at you, go, listen, nobody's meaningless game. But we still have a packed house. Because I think people do enjoy watching basketball. And at that State Net fans, I don't know how many home games they have left. Let me go watch basketball. Whatever. But.
Don Hahn
But in the end, nobody's gonna watch when two of the worst teams in basketball play each other in the. You know, in game 80. Somebody's going to win the game. So it's not like you're not going to get that. I want to see these two teams compete for something they did. They competed, and one team won.
Rosenberg
But I understand the whole logic of rather than having teams tank, have them be motivated to win. But if in order for me to get them motivated to win, I've got to put a roster of guys I never heard of before. That's why it's Like Richard isn't watching Nets Bucks or Nets Wizards or anybody. If it's a bunch of G league guys or guys off the street. That's stupid. No stop. There's got to be a. There's got to be a better way than what exists now. There's got to be. But all these ideas of playing tournaments they're going to. It's just never going to.
Don Hahn
They're going to implement some new stuff. This is going to pass in the
Rosenberg
next week but not.
Don Hahn
I don't know if it's going to
Rosenberg
work like a ball playoff tournament for the first pick. Why would anybody want be motivated to play at the end of the season and risk injury for a possibility of getting a player that's going to take their job away.
Don Hahn
Here's your idea. Fan bases make a team play each other. Whoever wins I like that would be
Alan
so Richard straight up against because he
Don Hahn
said the fans want it. Okay, well then the fans play.
Rosenberg
Yeah, I like what you're saying.
Don Hahn
That'd be hilarious wouldn't it if teams Richard franchises made teams of fans.
Rosenberg
I understand.
Alan
By the way be very entertaining or legends from the team.
Don Hahn
Oh wow.
Rosenberg
That'd be something.
Alan
You telling me Starks wouldn't care?
Don Hahn
He does care. No one cares more than him. Exactly.
Rosenberg
That would be crazy.
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Don Hahn
thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
Alan
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
Don Hahn
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
Rosenberg
My list on social media because once Jake puts it up on social media then you get a lot of reaction from people that weren't listening or whatever for that ace And I think a lot of people loved my top five heavy metal. There were some people didn't like the order. There were some people like where's Ozzy at? Listen. Ozzy had a unique voice, a very recognizable voice. I don't think he's the biggest and he's but the most famous and all that. But I don't think he had the voices of the five guys that I had up there. But you know and you know how much I love Ozzy and I think he's but just the quality of voice to me. Who are you taking out? 1-800-919-3776 should be a book Krish in Queens. He is back after our miscommunication there. What do you got? Hey guys. Sorry about that earlier.
Alan
No problem.
Caller Richard
Can you hear me?
Rosenberg
Oh sure. Yeah. So I just on the whole kissing your sister thing.
Alan
Man, she's hot.
Rosenberg
You gotta imagine yeah. You gotta imagine the first person to coin this. The person he was talking to must have had the strange pulls going on in his head. Very strange.
Caller Richard
Like your sister.
Alan
That's what I'm saying. I think it was could have went
Don Hahn
gold kind of missing.
Rosenberg
When you're glad I'm sheep. When you.
Alan
It's a great point.
Rosenberg
It is.
Don Hahn
We're kind of missing the point.
Rosenberg
But it you got to also take Alan looked it up because he's a journalist. I have to it first was used in print in 1892.
Don Hahn
Yep.
Rosenberg
All right. So we're still in at that particular point. The 19th century. Right.
Don Hahn
Barely a country.
Rosenberg
It was an innocent time. It was just a different world. So it kind of made sense. Now we live with a bunch of filth bags. And it hits different now. Filth form filth. That's right. So you gotta. I think it makes sense. You kind of know what we're talking about there.
Alan
But it's still.
Rosenberg
It's because they're thinking it's a peck on the cheek. It's affection to your sister. But at the end of the day, what is it? It feels like a tie. But now filth bags. Different types of porn subjects. We've taken it to a different level now because we're animals. We're filthy, disgusting animals. And we can't use an analogy from 150 years ago because we're filth pack. I'm a clothing.
Don Hahn
Well, what did you think of the.
Rosenberg
All of a sudden kissing your sister on the cheek has become like full blown makeout session.
Don Hahn
Yeah, it's weird. So the state of New York had a tweet. Did you see this?
Rosenberg
I did not.
Alan
About the subject at hand.
Rosenberg
Yeah.
Don Hahn
It said it's. It's whole filling season. That's a Tweet directly from YGov.
Producer/Engineer
Well, as uncomfortable. Do you know why that is?
Don Hahn
Yes. Of course. They know what they were doing.
Alan
Pothole season. Of course.
Don Hahn
But they know what they were doing when they put that tweet out.
Caller Richard
Take it off. Take it all off.
Alan
Supposedly they filled like 8,000 potholes in a day.
Don Hahn
It's gotten 12 million views.
Alan
So even the state is trolling.
Don Hahn
Yes.
Alan
Algorithm hustle.
Rosenberg
Get out of your hole. Because we're filth bags. So I got a big hole in my mouth.
Alan
You know, I meant to mention this.
Don Hahn
Wait a second. I'm not in your hole.
Alan
This city's a real hole.
Don Hahn
Did we have that many?
Alan
That's a lot of hole related problems.
Rosenberg
We could add a whole region. You got the arm in the wrong hole. I had never seen holes like that before.
Don Hahn
We have a problem.
Alan
Please, no more. I meant to. Shut your damn pie hole. I remember. That's seven so far. That's almost a region.
Rosenberg
We almost were nine away. Now you got the arm in the wrong hole.
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There's a very low percentage of this.
Don Hahn
That is smiles and glory holes.
Commercial Announcer
Very low percentage.
Alan
All right, we're trying to say something.
Don Hahn
Oh, shut your mouth.
Alan
Shut your holes.
Rosenberg
Six more.
Alan
We're almost there.
Rosenberg
We're almost there. Can't be like a whole region.
Alan
A whole, whole region. So I Meant to mention enn that Colin Kaepernick announced his memoir is coming out. It's called the Perilous Fight.
Rosenberg
You had a tweet earlier.
Alan
I did that said copped, copped, copped that. I bought the book, but it says it's coming out September 15, 2026.
Rosenberg
Okay. Around opening day.
Alan
10 years since he knelt.
Rosenberg
Wow. Decade.
Don Hahn
So that's why that day.
Alan
10 years. It's crazy, because I remember it was preseason at first.
Don Hahn
I remember no one wrote about.
Rosenberg
Didn't get it.
Alan
Didn't get bigger till the regular season.
Don Hahn
Regular season. But I remember someone was tipped off about it.
Alan
Oh, really?
Don Hahn
That's the rumor. That it was just simply a. Hey, watch. Have you noticed what he's doing? And he watched and wrote about it.
Alan
Here's. Here's the one thing I'm gonna say.
Don Hahn
And I think I asked him about it, and.
Alan
Yeah. And then he gave the answer, and then he gave his reasoning. Here's the one thing I'll say that gets me so angry. I don't want to have a whole political discussion. We have two and a half minutes left. I felt this way at the time, but to me, I guess it feels more glaring in hindsight. And you recall Don, because we talked about it endlessly. You know, he had talked to military veterans in his family and otherwise about, like, what he wanted to do and what they thought made sense in terms of how he did it. The thing that gets me so angry, in retrospect is we have seen players, like, pout before and just sit on the bench, like, with their towel on their head, being either intentionally or unintentionally disrespectful. The thing that I thought about earlier, when I thought about it being 10 years, was you may have not liked that he was kneeling, but you cannot argue that it was disrespectful. It was very purposeful. It was. This is the national anthem, and this is what I am saying during the national anthem.
Producer/Engineer
It's not.
Alan
I'm avoiding it. It's not. I don't think it matters. I'm not staying in the tunnel. I'm not putting something over my head. So it is interesting that 10 years later, it'll be really interesting, and maybe he'll do some press and he'll finally talk. He really. If you really look back, guys, he's barely spoken in the last.
Rosenberg
And this is going to really help the sales of the book, for sure.
Don Hahn
You can't flex seal a hole.
Alan
You still. I enjoyed the hole. I loved the hole. I Learned in the hole.
Don Hahn
There's a lot of.
Rosenberg
We only need three more.
Don Hahn
We really.
Rosenberg
Or just three.
Alan
Think about the work they're putting in the drill. Do you see this?
Don Hahn
They're searching. Mets lose 7 2.
Alan
Oh, yeah.
Rosenberg
By the way, can't count the sinkholes on Route 80. All right, so you know what? Fix that.
Alan
Fix that.
Don Hahn
Is that where fix that came from? It's almost like there's too many holes to plug right now.
Rosenberg
That's 15. One more.
Don Hahn
You can't.
Alan
You can't.
Rosenberg
One more.
Alan
But how do they keep.
Rosenberg
Fix that was the mic.
Don Hahn
No, no. Fix that was the mic.
Alan
But that sounded very similar.
Producer/Engineer
It's not the same, though.
Rosenberg
No, but it was close. One more. Full reach and show me something, Jacob. Come on.
Alan
I cannot believe he made it to 15. Think about the work these guys do. So should be playing hole to fill.
Producer/Engineer
How'd you. Thank you. Have a nice day.
Rosenberg
That's it.
Producer/Engineer
How'd you do it? You look up the word hole.
Rosenberg
Yeah.
Producer/Engineer
In white orbit. And then you just make sure that it's one that's one second long.
Rosenberg
But how.
Alan
But I can't believe you guys isolated 16 of them.
Producer/Engineer
It's not isolated. There's literally eight. There's literally 16 drops that are one second long with the word hole in it.
Don Hahn
Too bad Drop madness is over.
Producer/Engineer
I know.
Don Hahn
It's a shame.
Producer/Engineer
Somebody just called up saying they love it and they would be devastated if it was over.
Rosenberg
Well, guess what?
Alan
Bad news for you. It's not feeling good right now.
Rosenberg
All right, guys, we'll do this again tomorrow. We'll have a Yankee game to recap. Mets lose, we'll talk about that. Get into it. Islanders back in action in almost a must win situation. Don on Rosenberg on a Wednesday on ESPN New York.
Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
Alan
I don't want to know how the
Don Hahn
sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.
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Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Network: ESPN New York
Episode: Hour 4: Last Call Crew
In the final hour of the show, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg bring their trademark blend of irreverent sports talk and New York flavor, fielding listener calls and riffing on everything from the ethics of draft night attendance, NBA draft reform ideas, and the persistence of old sports clichés, to upcoming memoirs and, unexpectedly, a running gag about the word "hole." The hour is lively, sparring, and quintessentially local, weaving serious sports insight with their signature humor and chemistry.
Segment: 00:44–04:02
Notable Quote:
Segment: 07:13–12:08
Caller Proposes: End-of-season games where losing teams compete, with the winner getting a better draft pick (to discourage tanking).
Satirical Solution:
Notable Quote:
Segment: 14:48–15:39
Segment: 15:39–17:20
Notable Quote:
Segment: 17:21–18:41
Memorable Moment:
Segment: 19:01–21:13
| Time | Speaker | Quote/Moment | |----------|------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:19 | Don Hahn | “It’s on Brand.” | | 03:07 | Rosenberg | “I don’t need to see Roger Goodell hug another player.” | | 08:04 | Don Hahn | “The players don’t want to be replaced by a draft pick.” | | 09:15 | Alan | “No players—G League or current—will be motivated to play for a draft pick.” | | 11:55 | Don Hahn | “Why would anybody want to... risk injury for a possibility of getting a player that’s going to take their job away.” | | 14:57 | Rosenberg | “Ozzy had a unique voice...but I don’t think he had the voices of the five guys I had up there.”| | 16:30 | Rosenberg | “Now we live with a bunch of filth bags. And it hits different now.” | | 17:53 | Don Hahn | “Supposedly they filled like 8,000 potholes in a day.” | | 19:36 | Alan | “It’s crazy, because I remember it was preseason at first.” | | 20:29 | Alan | “You may have not liked that he was kneeling, but you cannot argue that it was disrespectful. It was very purposeful.” | | 21:13 | Rosenberg | “This is going to really help the sales of the book, for sure.” |
End Notable Quote:
Don Hahn: “I don’t want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it’s good.” (22:51)
| Segment | Start | End | Notes | |----------------|---------|---------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Draft attendance | 00:44 | 04:02 | Discussion on whether Mendoza should attend the draft in person | | NBA tournament | 07:13 | 12:08 | Call-in debate on rewarding losing NBA teams and solutions to tanking | | Heavy Metal top 5 | 14:48 | 15:39 | Rosenberg’s social media debates and list reactions | | Kissing your sister cliché | 15:39 | 17:20 | Mockery and history of the phrase, shifting cultural context | | Hole pun marathon | 17:21 | 22:18 | Running “hole” joke, pothole season, abundance of drops/puns | | Kaepernick memoir | 19:01 | 21:13 | Announcement, reflections on the protest, book timing, and significance | | Closing and wrap-up | 22:18 | 22:47 | Show wrap, Mets/Yankees/Islanders updates, more “hole” gags |
Fast-paced, banter-heavy, and brimming with the trio’s blend of sports insight and off-kilter humor, this hour is a showcase of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg crew at their most relaxed and playful, moving deftly between meaningful sports talk and comic relief, perfectly tailored for a New York audience.
If you missed the live show, this summary will have you in the loop on all the sports commentary, spirited debates, culture-war puns, and why “hole-filling season” became the accidental theme of the day.