Peter Rosenberg (1:52)

So it's like the. The big fish in a little pond. What would you, you know, would you

Dave (1:57)

want to be part of something bigger

Peter Rosenberg (1:59)

or be the man in a smaller space?

Dave (2:03)

Be controlled and. And yeah, in a small.

Peter Rosenberg (2:05)

Yeah.

Show Contributor (2:05)

It's even beyond that, though. It's the lead role in a cage.

Dave (2:07)

Can't get big, but it's the walk

Show Contributor (2:08)

on part in a war, too.

Dave (2:10)

Yeah, well, you're part of something bigger.

Show Contributor (2:11)

Yeah, but it's also. That's that there could be a lot of meetings there.

Dave (2:14)

Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (2:15)

We never got to Mel, who was on with.

Dave (2:19)

You're crushed.

Peter Rosenberg (2:20)

Pietro and Rothenberg killing you.

Dave (2:22)

Well, you've been itching for this.

Peter Rosenberg (2:23)

I want to hear it out. I want to hear it out.

Dave (2:25)

Okay.

Peter Rosenberg (2:26)

Let's see, Mel, are the jets leaning Reese or Bailey at 2?

Caller (2:32)

That's up in the air. Everybody goes back and forth on that. I know I have. Everybody has. We did our drafts. The field has had, you know, Reese's and Bailey's been in there with him. Then we see others Having Reese. You know, I haven't seen any other names. I've heard some people talk about Sonny Stiles from Ohio State if you're going to debate.

Peter Rosenberg (2:54)

Yeah, because. Dude, no, first of all, coffee.

Dave (2:57)

He sounded caffeinated.

Peter Rosenberg (2:58)

No, you got it.

Show Contributor (2:58)

That's. Is that you guys are being.

Dave (3:00)

He's in April now. You know, it's. This is. This is go time.

Show Contributor (3:04)

No, he needs a nap, though.

Caller (3:05)

Now.

Peter Rosenberg (3:05)

I didn't hear my man.

Show Contributor (3:07)

No, listen, Mel is salt of the earth. Someone needs to say we still got a couple of weeks. So tonight, yourself. No, just. Just tomorrow night. Tomorrow is a random Wednesday and two full night off. I want bedtime.

Dave (3:18)

Nine o', clock, he's got another knock. You can't just put a mock out. So I got to put like it's a mock war right now. By the way, he and D. Pietro were racing to the end of the sentence together, the two of them, this morning. Like it was just. They were sprinting.

Show Contributor (3:32)

Can we hear it again?

Peter Rosenberg (3:33)

That was.

Dave (3:33)

I've never sped up.

Show Contributor (3:35)

We've been playing audio of Mel Kuiper on this station since the dawn of

Peter Rosenberg (3:38)

time, since before this maybe the first ever time we aired a show. And I've never heard him.

Dave (3:43)

Knees shaking, just completely twitching.

Caller (3:47)

That's up in the air. Everybody goes back and forth on that. I know I have. Everybody has. We did our drafts. The field has had.

Dave (3:54)

You know, it's giving me anxiety.

Peter Rosenberg (3:57)

All right.

Show Contributor (3:57)

It's like an ultimate war.

Peter Rosenberg (3:58)

Take it.

Dave (3:59)

That's yes.

Peter Rosenberg (4:00)

If you ask where the jets are leaning, the only answer from Mel or anybody else is how the hell do I know? Right?

Show Contributor (4:07)

But they don't do that because.

Dave (4:09)

Well, you're basing it on intel that you gather from various sources that then you just kind of put together a guess.

Peter Rosenberg (4:16)

Lies. And now the jets are a team that they can be leaky. So I can't completely disregard any information that might be gathered.

Dave (4:25)

This comes from other teams and what agents are saying and all that stuff.

Peter Rosenberg (4:29)

Mel Kuiper's expertise, please, let's hear him lose. This is. He has an immense amount of knowledge about the college game.

Dave (4:37)

Yes.

Peter Rosenberg (4:38)

All right. Talking to an NFL insider would be the better way to go because they might have contacts of who they may draft. It never, under any circumstances behooves a general manager to tell you who they're going to draft, who they're leaning to draft. Matter of fact, their motivation is to lie to you. So I value the information. There is a perception, I get it from my boss every day that I don't like the draft. I love the draft in the moment. All this stuff leading up to it is just drives me crazy. Now here is Dave's question to Mel.

Dave (5:17)

Not this one. No, no. This is different. But basically what you just said. Yes.

Ian Fitzsimmons (5:22)

Is what happened in this question.

Dave (5:23)

Here you go.

Peter Rosenberg (5:24)

I think this is in your wheelhouse. Walk me through. If the Giants were to make Dexter Lawrence available, what on the open market you think he could bring in return?

Caller (5:33)

It's an Adam Schefter question. I'd have to ask Adam about that.

Peter Rosenberg (5:37)

So right there. Very well asked question by Dave and the only answer Mel should give. He's not Adam Scheft. That's not his job. That's not what he gets paid to do. He is not an NFL insider. He is. And he had incredible knowledge on the college game. But unfortunately there's so much need for content on the draft that everybody's got to make comments. And I'm all for it, man, but I'm just trying to tell the audience, take all the information with a grain of salt. We don't know anything now who the Raiders will take. They're the only team that can tell you because they don't have to worry about it.

Dave (6:16)

Well, Don, to be fair, each year, not that it goes chalk, but it goes according to expectation. For the most part.

Peter Rosenberg (6:24)

There's one or two surprises, I will tell you.

Dave (6:27)

But it does kind of follow what everybody.

Peter Rosenberg (6:30)

But last year. Year should have blown the whole thing up. When you see Sanders drop not in the first round, to the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth, but that

Dave (6:42)

was the one that I remember. I was very close to this last year, very passionate. There was a lot of arguing about the like the value of the player versus what he was valued at. Not as a player.

Peter Rosenberg (6:57)

Hey, there was momentum.

Dave (6:59)

A he could. But I don't know. Like there were a lot of experts that were so uncertain but just couldn't believe that someone of his capability at a position that everybody's desperate for, that people would just pass on him. They thought somebody would take him and then it just kept going.

Peter Rosenberg (7:15)

There was a lot of speculation was there as we got to the day of the draft that he could drop to the Giants 25.

Dave (7:22)

That's right.

Peter Rosenberg (7:22)

Or if the Giants traded back in, you know what I mean? Late in the first round.

Dave (7:25)

Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (7:26)

Nobody saw him drop like a sit down in the fifth round. Again, I'm not trying to devalue these people. I'm just telling you there's a thirst for knowledge. But we've Got to relax, all right? There's so much unknown. Read the tea leaves, read the scouting reports, watch these players play. Root for who you want your team to draft. Well, that's once we get to the draft, man, that's when it's on.

Dave (7:52)

Yes, but that's why heading into it, if you're telling me the jets at number two are obviously not taking a quarterback, their options will be a couple of guys on the edge that could be game changers. David Bailey's one and Arvell Reese is the other. We've heard Reese's name more than we've heard Bailey. But then after the combine when the Bailey just jumped off the charts with all his measurables and all the athleticism, now all of a sudden it's like, wait a minute, this guy's a beast. And now it's the two of them. And so as a Jets fan, it just makes you wonder. Well, you want to get this one right because you don't want to take the wrong.

Peter Rosenberg (8:32)

But nobody knows what the jets are going to do.

Dave (8:34)

No, but it's if you know that these two guys are most likely picks. As a fan now you're starting to do your research on these guys, you're trying to figure it out because it's a pretty exciting thing. You can get a game changer right now at the number two.

Peter Rosenberg (8:46)

I'm not telling you not to do your homework, okay? I'm just telling you all this spec from the pundits is just that you

Dave (8:54)

don't like again, the Jeremiah Love thing between the Titans and the Giants.

Peter Rosenberg (8:58)

But I'm going to tell you is there's a level of disappointment I would have if the Giants take love at 5, that tells me they leaked information about love. That's not a good thing. And if they want love that bad and he gets taken at 4, then what?

Dave (9:13)

Well, how do you know that the Titans aren't saying we hear the Giants want them and so I don't know.

Peter Rosenberg (9:18)

Well, what I'm saying is, is that listening to all this misinformation, I'm not buying into it because that's all it is. It's a distraction. It's trying to get you to think off of what actually is going to happen.

Dave (9:29)

As someone who covered a lot of drafts and had to get information, okay. Before I was into broadcast, I host the draft now, the NBA draft.

Peter Rosenberg (9:37)

Right.

Dave (9:37)

But when I was covering it as a reporter, I didn't ask Donnie Walsh, hey, who you taking with the number eight pick? He's not going to Tell me. None of the scouts are going to tell me. Agents, other teams, players like you get information from people outside the organization who say we. Oh, yeah, we had him in. He told us this. Right.

Peter Rosenberg (10:00)

And you. And let's be honest. And you trust you get that information from poorly run, leaky organizations. If you know what you're doing as an organization.

Dave (10:09)

Every organization has somebody that tells you something. Every organization.

Peter Rosenberg (10:12)

Not the well run one.

Show Contributor (10:13)

Every organization, yeah, you think they're all button.

Dave (10:16)

Everybody has to have some organization.

Peter Rosenberg (10:18)

They don't want you to know who they're taking. They're not going to let you know.

Dave (10:21)

Listen, they're not telling you who they're taking, Don. They're telling you what they're hearing about the team you're asking about.

Show Contributor (10:25)

Right.

Peter Rosenberg (10:26)

So it's not.

Dave (10:27)

And then they're asking you what you know and it's all this, listen, we're

Show Contributor (10:30)

not going to come to see.

Peter Rosenberg (10:31)

All the agent could tell you is like the Giants Love got a phone call from the Giants saying they're interested. I mean, they're going to draft them. How would the agent know any more than that?

Dave (10:39)

Okay, that's all.

Peter Rosenberg (10:39)

I can't negotiate with him.

Dave (10:40)

I start now. Now I find out.

Peter Rosenberg (10:42)

But now we know. Because all the Giants are talking about is how much they love love. So what's the difference?

Show Contributor (10:46)

Love, Love.

Dave (10:46)

We all love.

Peter Rosenberg (10:47)

The fact is, if they take love, then that tells you that they didn't care, that everybody knew. And I had no problem with that with Barkley at 2 because everybody knew Baker Mayfield was going 1, so they didn't have to worry about it. But at 5 now, all of a sudden, if they leaked out information that they wanted love and. And then Love goes at four, then what?

Dave (11:04)

But why can't the jets play games at two then? Same thing. Why would the jets need to play games if they're going once? We're now getting the best position player.

Peter Rosenberg (11:13)

But you admit they're games. They're games that are being played that I just don't want to play.

Dave (11:16)

I'm just asking, why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't they just trade up, sell us what we're taking? Why would it matter? It doesn't matter. They don't have to worry about anybody

Peter Rosenberg (11:23)

else taking their guard because I'm not even 100% sold and neither is anybody else that they're going to stay it to.

Dave (11:28)

Oh, wow.

Peter Rosenberg (11:29)

Right.

Dave (11:30)

Dramatic.

Peter Rosenberg (11:31)

Who knows?

Dave (11:31)

That would be dramatic. No, I'm saying that's why.

Peter Rosenberg (11:33)

And I also think that what Muji and What Glenn is trying to do is they're trying to be buttoned up. Right. So they, they don't want to leak any information because that's what the problem's been with that organization forever.

Dave (11:46)

Yep.

Peter Rosenberg (11:46)

So they would probably like to keep it as close to the best as possible.

Dave (11:49)

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Peter Rosenberg (14:06)

All right, let's hear.

Dave (14:08)

Come on. Come on.

Peter Rosenberg (14:09)

Now, Dave's question to Mel, was it just a what would you do at 2 if you were the Jets, Mel? Or what are the jets going to do at 2? So I think these are the questions you're gonna be. Just be asked at nauseam as we get closer to the draft. Jets to Bailey Reese as we sit here right now. I have no idea. That's the answer. But that wasn't the answer.

Dave (14:39)

Wait, we just got the question.

Show Contributor (14:41)

He was curious about the question.

Peter Rosenberg (14:42)

I was curious whether the question was what would you do? Or what are the jets going to.

Dave (14:46)

And he said, what would you do?

Peter Rosenberg (14:47)

No, he said, well, what are the jets gonna. What a Jets gonna.

Dave (14:49)

Yeah. And he just throws out two names that they're gonna pick from more than likely. And that's it.

Peter Rosenberg (14:56)

Need to draft soon.

Show Contributor (14:57)

It's almost there. Done soon.

Peter Rosenberg (15:03)

Let's go back to the phones. Mr. Ray, in the car. You're on ESPN New York.

Caller (15:09)

Hey, guys.

Caller (15:10)

How's it going?

Dave (15:11)

Hey.

Caller (15:11)

Right, I'm here. I'm here to defend Drop Madness. Guys, I think. I think, honestly, what's going on, it's just. It's about timing and. And I think what we need is maybe a little break, maybe a year or so while you guys build more chemistry, because I know you guys love each other, but you need to build more. And I would bring back the old format, right, of having a Don region, Peter region, Allen region, and another region, and that would be, you know, Anthony, it could be Jacob, it could be the callers, etc.

Caller (15:47)

Etc.

Caller (15:48)

It should not, though. It should. Even though, ironically, it should not be something like the Carlin Drop, that didn't happen on the show. I think the qualifier should always be something that's on the show. Bring back the old format. Once you guys develop more. Maybe we, like I said, maybe take a year break, and then in two years, you might have enough drops there that Anthony could.

Peter Rosenberg (16:13)

But that'd be around.

Show Contributor (16:15)

Here's the issue.

Dave (16:16)

We took a year.

Show Contributor (16:16)

Yeah. Here's why I disagree with you. Right.

Caller (16:19)

Okay.

Show Contributor (16:20)

Like, I'm not saying that our show doesn't need more time to develop in a general sense, but as far as drop madness goes, I think this field was stacked. This was a great field of funny drops, and we've always had drops that came from outside the show. So I hear you, but I think you're making excuses. The fact is, people were not either not into it or Twitter was just the absolute wrong mechanism.

Dave (16:43)

I appreciate his effort, though. Mr. No, me too. He gave us an honest effort and then we have to appreciate that he cares.

Peter Rosenberg (16:50)

Jonathan, LA doesn't want to see it.

Caller (16:52)

Go away.

Caller (16:54)

Hi, guys. Guys, the fact that you guys are even touching this, I mean, this subject, it's. No, it's nonsense. We can't lose. Drop Madness, please. This is one of the. Love the show. I mean, I call in a lot. But the thing is, this is one of the best things that I, That I love from the show. I don't like it. I love it. I mean, last time I was at a few Fridays ago, I was, I was driving, was having my wife, she knows who you guys are, but she doesn't listen to the show. And Peter was going through the jobs and she even. She was cracking up now, guys, probably the boat saying as much. But I mean, who gets on Twitter or X or whatever it's called if you're not a superstar, if you're not a famous person? I don't really get on. I'm not gonna lie to you guys. I'm sorry, but I just voted like three times. But the. When it's on YouTube, on Instagram. When it's on YouTube, On Instagram. I did vote it, but guys, please, please don't. Don't. Drop Drop Madness, guys. Happy floody day.

Peter Rosenberg (17:50)

Well, I do. I do like people calling in because that shows that you're making an effort, right?

Show Contributor (17:57)

But we did take the year off.

Peter Rosenberg (18:00)

Ladon James and I understand that maybe there's a different way to vote, but

Show Contributor (18:05)

he does make an interesting point. If you're not someone who's, like, of note or a complete yo yo who likes to, like, fight with strangers online, I feel like regular people are leaving Twitter. I do feel that, but I just. You know what? It just hurt.

Peter Rosenberg (18:23)

What, Peter, I said it hurt.

Caller (18:24)

Oh, man.

Dave (18:26)

Do we do email vote? Do we do call in vote?

Peter Rosenberg (18:33)

Listen, we got a whole.

Show Contributor (18:34)

You got to present your id.

Peter Rosenberg (18:35)

We're still making the drops. The drops are still going to happen. All right, so we'll reconvene at some point. You suck, Pusey.

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Peter Rosenberg (21:33)

I know this is a mistake, but let's try Richard of Manhattan. You got a minute, buddy? What do you got, fellas?

Caller (21:39)

I got one quickie.

Show Contributor (21:41)

Go ahead, Richard.

Peter Rosenberg (21:42)

What's up, Don? Peter Allen.

Caller (21:44)

Peter. The team that got the most shoes from one championship, the 86 Mets, from 84 to 91, eight years, they went to one World Series. From 96 to 2003, the Yankees, in eight years, went to six World Series. You put the talent on those Met teams. Compared to the Yankee talent, the Mets had much more talented fellas. Winning is everything except in the N. The Pittsburgh Penguins have 96 points and they have 40 wins. The Devils have 83 points and have 40 wins, but they're out of the playoffs. The Islanders have more wins, 42 wins, and they're out of the playoffs than Pittsburgh. Unbelievable. Winning is everything. I'll give you one. One last one.

Caller (22:30)

Hurry.

Peter Rosenberg (22:35)

I just didn't need the music.

Dave (22:36)

We literally just.

Show Contributor (22:37)

Don, it's okay. It's on. It's okay. I don't think you missed out on the match.

Dave (22:41)

Didn't we discuss the NHL?

Peter Rosenberg (22:44)

The joke is that the Kings have 19 regulation wins and they're in the playoffs right now.

Show Contributor (22:49)

Regulation.

Dave (22:49)

Which is unreal.

Show Contributor (22:51)

But wait, wait.

Peter Rosenberg (22:52)

They have 19 regulation wins. They've won games in overtime in the.

Show Contributor (22:56)

Wait, how? That's an insane.

Dave (22:57)

But ridiculous.

Peter Rosenberg (22:58)

They've got a lot of losses in overtime. Penguins have, like, 16 games. Listen, it's about points. It's always been about points. Part of the double problem. This will be the first time ever that they've had 40 wins and won't make the playoffs because they've only lost three games in overtime of the shootout.

Show Contributor (23:14)

That's so crazy.

Peter Rosenberg (23:15)

It's still about points. It's crazy. Listen, I would go back to just. All right, the end of the tie. Who cares? All right, we got tomorrow at 3, and again, same thing. We'll start off on A to 80, and then we'll eventually be on Twitter. Excuse me, on YouTube. And also the app, which we're on all the time anyway.

Show Contributor (23:33)

That's right.

Peter Rosenberg (23:33)

On ESPN New York.

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This might be a hit.

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