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Don Hahn
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Dan Rosenberg
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
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Don Hahn
Time now for the tournament update brought to you by Sun Cruiser and Sam Adams American light. The first four concludes tonight in Dayton. Mount St. Mary's takes on American at 6:40 and that'll determine the 16 seed in the east region. That'll be followed by Xavier in Texas playing for the Midwest 11 seed. That was the tournament update brought to you by Sun Cruiser and Sam Adams American Light, Don and Dan here on the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Show. We'll be doing this again tomorrow and then Friday Alan Hahn returns. Peter is under the weather so we've given him a little extra time off to get better. So we're looking forward to seeing him in all likelihood coming up on Monday.
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Dan Rosenberg
How about that modern medicine thing for the ages?
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Don Hahn
Now there was another rule change that was proposed by the Detroit Lions of changing the playoff format in the NFL to where wild card teams with better records than divisional winners can get home field. I like that. I know you want to honor the division. I think the division should guarantee you a playoff spot. But I do think that the higher record should determine home field moving forward.
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Dan Rosenberg
I'm not totally opposed to that. Right. And I know you want to honor the division. But not all divisions are created equal as we know. I don't think the NFL will ever go the way of the NBA and completely just abandon and the division and go like all conference. Like when was the last time honestly you even looked at a standings for the NBA that had the divisions. Like I saw something last week or whatever, I forgot who it was. Like some team like they could like all over social media. Congratulations, whatever division champs. I'm like, who even like pays attention to that? I do think tell you who's in these divisions in the NBA then you.
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Don Hahn
Should do away with them. But if you, if you are going to have divisions which means that you are going to signify where you play as far as your schedule is concerned. So you're going to put, whether it's four teams, five teams, six teams, whatever league you're in, and you're going to put them all in the same division. And that means you play, you play those teams more than you play other teams. Like in the NFL, you don't play anybody outside your division twice. You play everybody just once in your division, signifying that's where you play. There should be something you get for winning that division. So I would never like. And this doesn't have the NBA. You're guaranteed if you win the division, you can make the playoffs, you know, but, but in the NFL there could be a scenario, and we saw it with Seattle a few years ago where they won their division at 7 and 9 where under normal circumstances they would not have been a high enough seed to get to the playoffs. But by winning the division they had to go. I, as awful as that is that a team under 500 made the playoffs, you, you won your division. It's not your fault you were in a crappy division. You have to honor that. Otherwise just completely abandon the division altogether. If you're going to have divisions, then the division winners should go, but that should not mean you are now locked in to always have home field against the wild card. If a wild card goes 11 and 5 back in the day, then they should get the home game. Right? But what's so weird is I don't remember what the Saints record was, but clearly was better than 7 and 9.
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Dan Rosenberg
Oh yeah, they might have been a double team.
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Don Hahn
Seattle beat them, you know, so you could still win. But it also helped, you know, having the 12th man playing at home in Seattle. That game should have been at the Superdome, but it wasn't. It was in Seattle. Why should a 79 team get it just because they won the division? So I like that, but I wouldn't want to see a division winner Dan not make the playoffs otherwise just abandon the divisions then. Right?
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Dan Rosenberg
It happened too with Carolina member in 2014. They finished a. Here we go, there's a tie 7, 8 and 1. And so they got to play an Arizona team that year that I believe was again like a double digit win team. And it was a game in Carolina, remember it was like pouring rain that game. Carolina won it and then they went on the road the next week to Seattle and they lost. But again that by winning that division they had the benefit of the home game. So you had inclement weather. Because if those two teams matched up and it was in Arizona, there wouldn't be a weather issue. Right. Because you'd have a roof and it would be on a faster track and who knows if you're getting the same result and that sort of stuff. So that, that plays big into these type of things.
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Don Hahn
And you know, I, I, I, I don't like the NHL's playoff format. I hate these, you know, two and three seeds in their divisions having to be forced to play each other. You get situations like two of the best teams in the league, one of them is guaranteed to be out in the first round. Doesn't make sense. But apparently Gary Bettman was asked about it yesterday and he emphatically said no, they love the format, they're not changing it. I would love to go back to one through eight, have the best team in the conference play the worst playoff team in the conference. That just seems fair. But whatever, they don't. I would love a world where one played 16, have the worst playoff team play the best playoff team. But I understand logistically that's probably unfair to have a first round matchup with the New York versus LA, where the 215 might be, you know, Boston, you know, versus Washington. And it's, it's a closer travel. So I understand that gets a little logistically crazy. But can we just go back to 1 through 1? 1 versus 8 in the conferences?
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Caller
Yeah.
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Dan Rosenberg
And the one thing that the NFL does right compared to the other sports and kind of in a way almost a little bit makes up for that inequity in the first round where you have maybe like an unworthy division champion and then so on and so forth. Remember, the NFL recedes after the first round. So therefore the team with the best record is always going to play the most inferior opponent. And the team with the worst record that's still alive has to have the toughest path and play the team with the best record. You know what I mean? So that's what I like. The end. And the NBA and the NHL used to do all that stuff too before they implemented this brackets crap.
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Don Hahn
Everybody loves the brackets because they want to try to get. They've got NCAA envy. Listen, you're not getting the same thing, okay? You put these brackets together. The NHL does it too. You go to their website in the playoffs, I'll play the bracket channel. No one cares, all right? They like it, they watch the games, but they're not going to get in your, your silly reindeer games. It works for the NCAA tournament. Whatever. It hits different for them. Everybody. It's Just stupid, whatever.
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Dan Rosenberg
But this proposal, right, Which I think was a pretty good one, what's that about the illegal, like an illegal contact penalty and a whole. I believe a holding penalty should not necessarily result in an automatic first down for the offense if it's called on the defense.
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Don Hahn
So just make all four. So you designate the yards, correct. And if it's not enough for a first down, it's not an automatic first down. Right?
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Dan Rosenberg
Because it's a bailout a lot of the times, you know that, right? Like, and nothing drives you crazy. You're like, if you're a defensive team, you know, and it's. You got the offense pinned back, it's 3rd and 13 and they call some fugazi illegal contact penalty, which doesn't even necessarily have an outcome like on the far side of the field to where the ball was even going to be thrown and they throw that flag. Even though it's a five yard penalty, it's an automatic first down. If we get away with the automatic first down, I would be all for that, really.
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Don Hahn
Every defensive penalty with the exception of offsides is an automatic first down, right? Defensive holds, automatic first down. Pass interference is an automatic first down, even if it's before the marker. There's no face mask now. Is an automatic 15 yard penalty in a first down right face mask. I believe it's. Or is it just the yards now? That's a good question.
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Dan Rosenberg
Now like a 5 and a 15. I know. And now it's no, the 5 yard.
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Don Hahn
There's no more 5 yard face mask.
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Dan Rosenberg
Right.
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Don Hahn
They're all 15 yard penalty. The question is, does it. Or is it an automatic first down?
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Dan Rosenberg
Or if you, if it's first penalty.
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Don Hahn
Fourth and 20, it's a personal foul. So it's, it's an automatic first down. So really every defensive penalty that I can think of outside of an encroachment or an offside is an automatic first down. And the reason for that is, and I got to give John Winthrop credit, we usually kind of beat him up. Pinhead suit. Because I was the same way with the defensive holds. Like, come on, it's a ticky tack foul. It's a five yard penalty. Why is it automatic first down? And the way he explained it is perfect. The reason it's an automatic first down is because really when you get into a fourth and long situation, if you just go by yardage with the penalties, it kind of gives the defense carte blanche to do whatever they want. So I could hold as much as I want on the 4th and 20 if it's only a 5 yard penalty, if I get caught, so what now it's 4th and 15, but maybe they don't see it and I get the ball like so you want to make it punitive to not have you hold at all. Otherwise technically on a, on a fourth and ten, I, I get a, I get a free defensive hold. If it's on a 4th and 15, I get two free defensive holds. They might miss one of them and we explain that kind of makes sense why it has to be an automatic first down.
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Dan Rosenberg
No, I understand that's the difference between, for example, like the pass interference in college versus the pro. In the pros it's a spot foul, right? So if you throw a bomb 40 yards down the field and that's where the contact is, it's, you get the ball right there, you get it at the one yard line if it's in the end zone. College, it's not that it's 15 yards in college, you know what I'm saying? But like holding is a 10 yard penalty. Illegal contact is a 5 yard penalty. If it's only a 5 yard penalty, that doesn't necessarily have to result in an automatic first down because the more egregious action is holding. That I can understand and what John's talking about. Yeah, I get it. But like the illegal contact, which is essentially saying it's like a ticky tack kind of very minor infraction or a minor version of pass interference, five yards, we don't want you to do it. But why should it be an automatic first down?
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Don Hahn
Because it's, it's kind of giving you an opportunity.
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Dan Rosenberg
But is it holding then or is it pass?
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Don Hahn
It's not, but it's still, it still could disrupt the play that ends up stopping the first down. The point. The thing is when you get, when you get to these. Now if you wanted to play it this way, where it's not an automatic first down on first, second or third down, but it's an automatic first down on fourth down. That kind of makes a little bit more sense, right? Because on fourth down it's like I got nothing to lose here. Obviously I'm trying to get the ball back. You're trying to get a first down. I'm not necessarily trying to get a first down on first down, but I'm definitely trying to get a first down on fourth down. So any infraction is stopping me from getting a first down. I'm not always, yeah, I want to get as much yards as I can, but I, I designed some plays that aren't necessarily to get a first down. I just want to get some yards. So why should the penalty automatically give you a first down? So what about that idea? First, second and third down, you go by the yards, but on fourth down, it's an automatic first.
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Dan Rosenberg
Yeah, I mean, I would be okay with that.
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Don Hahn
Just some, some, some nuance. Right, Right.
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Dan Rosenberg
It's some nuance. And you just got to, you know, then, then you're having to learn all these new rules and all that stuff. But I mean, just, you know, five yard and I never really gave it that much thought, to be honest with you. Right. You just kind of went along with it because that's the way it's always been. But five yard penalty, it doesn't seem all that egregious. Right. It's like, you know, pass interference, light five yards. Why should you get the benefit of a first down?
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Don Hahn
No, it's, it's a, it's a good.
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Dan Rosenberg
Show me something and call it pass interference then if you want to give them the automatic first down.
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Don Hahn
1-800-9193776. Let's go back to the busy phones. Tom's in the car. You're on ESPN New York. Yo, guys, what's up?
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Caller
Oh, yeah, no, I know, Don, you're the resident metal head and I don't know your opinions on the band Rush.
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Don Hahn
Oh, I love Rush. They're not metal, they're, I guess, hard rock or whatever. But I do love them. Yes. I just read Getty Lee's book. It's really good.
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Caller
Very, very good. Well, the song Free Will has the line, if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. And a tie is that there's no outcome that you want, but there's still an outcome.
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Don Hahn
Yeah.
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Caller
So I'm with you on that. That's the end. And I'm going to go with Neil Peart, Getty Lee and Don Lagra any day of the week.
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Don Hahn
Oh, well, thank you, Tom. I appreciate that. The Getty Lee book was very intense because he's got like a whole article on his family going through the holocau and everything, but it's actually a pretty fun book. Rush is, I don't know, I don't know if you're a fan, Dan. I think you are, but they're definitely one of those bands that I, I don't know if there's any three musicians more talented than they were.
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Dan Rosenberg
I mean, Jimi Hendrix, Experience, Cream, they were, you know, the Police were good musicians.
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Don Hahn
Oh, yeah. No, they're good, but. But just like Neil Peart was just one of the great drummers, I think.
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Dan Rosenberg
He stands out above the others.
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Don Hahn
Yeah. And then Getty Lee, certainly from a bass standpoint, but it's just a good band. But that was the point that I was making is a tie is a result, may not be a result you want. It didn't necessarily determine who was better, but that does winning and losing always do that anyway. The best team doesn't always win the game. The team that plays the best sometimes doesn't always win the game.
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Dan Rosenberg
Sometimes in the playoffs, the best team doesn't always win. I mean, it's just one game.
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Don Hahn
Let's check out what Sean in Florida has to say. You're on espn, New York.
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Caller
Hey, how you guys doing?
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Don Hahn
Good.
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Caller
So my, my whole thing is that it really depends on if you're a good team that ties a bad team or a bad team that ties a good team. Like, you can look back and be like, hey, you know, like, we had a bad year, but at least we.
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Don Hahn
Were able to, you know, we have.
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Caller
Some good shining moments we were good against. This team, might not have won it, but we did. We didn't lose it. But yeah, it definitely does help understandings too at the end of the year, you know.
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Don Hahn
But that's a good point, Sean.
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Dan Rosenberg
Like Giants victory is what you're saying.
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Don Hahn
Oh, well, the Giants were a brutal team this year and if they, and if they played the Eagles to a tie, I guess you could say at least we didn't lose. Best team in football and we're a worst team in football and we went to Philadelphia and tied them. I mean, that's, that's something, I guess. Yeah, it is, it is. Obviously.
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Caller
Yeah. I mean, yeah, the little things, you know, that real fans, you know, might look at more than, you know, just, you know, people that are just, you know, whatever. But yeah, you guys do a great job. I always love listening to you.
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Dan Rosenberg
Thanks.
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Caller
You guys have a great night.
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Don Hahn
I appreciate it. We had a caller earlier, Danny. He didn't want to stay on hold, just keep playing. I'd love that. Right? But like, Michael would always have that complaint in hockey's like, why did, why do they have the shootout? Why don't they just keep playing?
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Dan Rosenberg
You can't do that in the regular season.
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Don Hahn
You can't do it in the regular season. Like I said, the Rangers, the Toronto Maple Leafs are home tonight against Colorado and they're going to have to after that game. It's a 7:30 start. They're going to have to fly to New York and they're going to have to go through customs and all. They're going to get in late. I think the Flames had the same situation. They got into like 2:30, 2:30 in the morning.
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Dan Rosenberg
What's that didn't bother Calgary?
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Don Hahn
No, it didn't. No, but I'm saying is that they got in at 2:30 in the morning for a game that ended in regulation. So imagine if you played till there was a conclusion and you know, you played a five minute overtime and there wasn't. You played another five minute overtime and say, say you played like four overtimes and eventually you had and the Flames come in at like 6:00 in the morning. I mean that's cruel. I understand they're millionaires and all, but that makes no sense. I mean that's why baseball did it. Like oh, Everybody loves the 18 in game. Great, that's fun. But, but now you're almost signing up for a loss the next day because you've got no pitchers left. Teams exhaust like if the Yankees play a 20 inning game. Yeah, it's epic. I got to see it. The game didn't end till 4 o'clock in the morning. You got a 1 o'clock game the next day, nobody plays. You got no pitchers left, you lose.
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Dan Rosenberg
19, 1985, the Mets and the Braves in Atlanta, they had fireworks still on the 4th of July. Remember that?
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Don Hahn
I stayed up for every pitch of that game. I was, was 1985 so I was 17 years old and I thought it was like the greatest game ever to.
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Dan Rosenberg
See that camp had a home run.
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Don Hahn
To keep the game alive. It's ridiculous.
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Dan Rosenberg
No, but it's. And, and you know what? We never thought anything different like for I mean most of us, I mean now you know, everybody listen to the show right now as a baseball fan, I mean you didn't know anything other than just games played until you had a winner or loser. If it went 10 innings, innings, 30 innings, it didn't matter. There were no thoughts to cut it short or come up with these rules or you played the game forever and.
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Don Hahn
But I just don't think it was a good idea. But at least back in the day you, you would let a Pitcher maybe pitch 10, 12 then I don't do that anymore. You'll literally run out of pitchers. So I, and everybody's like oh it's great. You have. I remember what year was it when the Mets played the Cardinals on a Saturday? Was the net. It was the game of the week. And was like 19 innings, like scoreless tie. And the Cardinals had a position player because Tony LaRusso ran out of pitchers. Yeah, it's fun. Like a look. I saw something, like I said, something unique. You remember that? But is it good for the game when the next day you've got nobody to pitch, you end up losing that game? I don't like the Manfred, man.
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Dan Rosenberg
Was it like win the battle, lose the war type thing? You know what I mean? Like, you win the game, but then you're just gonna blow out your staff.
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Don Hahn
It's tough when you play every day. Yeah, and in football, I think that would be cruel too.
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Dan Rosenberg
Listen, it's so barbaric, football compared to baseball, right? You get your a bat and then you're sitting in the dugout, you know, eating sunflower seeds for the next few minutes before you got to go stand in the outfield, you know, I mean, it's different football. You could get concussed.
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Don Hahn
No, that's true. Let's go to Robbie in Massachusetts. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Robbie? Hi, Rob.
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Caller
Hey, guys, thanks for taking the call. How are you?
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Don Hahn
Good.
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Caller
You there? Boy, I heard so much tide. I was going to say Bar Valver would say. I haven't heard so much time talking since Roger Nielsen was a coach from the New York Rangers. You guys made me laugh. You guys made me laugh so hard today. Thank you for bringing up the Neil Donna uk. My father and I watched again. I could still remember. Get me out of here. This is the worst football game I've ever seen in my life.
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Don Hahn
It was so bad.
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Caller
I was excited that they tied. I'd let you. You brought back stormy. I'll be 60 on Friday. By the way, my best friend has taken me to the Wolfpack game on Saturday because we didn't want to slept down. You know, I grew up in Portchester, New York and spent my whole life going to Ranger games and Ranger practices. Listen, last night, Don, I listened to you and Dave on the radio. I had. I had Sam and Michel, Eddie on the tv. And I listened to you guys mostly because I love Dave. You guys together, a great combination, but thank you. It was a. It was a disgrace. It was. I mean, it's disgraceful. Who's the leader on this team? I mean, how the hell do you come out in a game against Calgary? Where Calgary, as Dan just said, gets off the plane at 3:00. Probably gets the hotel, right. Doesn't get to sleep till 7. Got to wake up and go to the Team meeting or whatever, and these guys come out flat. I mean, it should have been a refund last night. I don't understand this team. Where is the leadership on the scene? What has happened? You know, Jacob Truba is in California. At least Jacob Truba would have thrown a helmet, for crying out loud. I mean, it is, it is disgraceful. I'm sorry. When you come up with 13 shots on goal, Don, all they do is chase the other team around this one. 3:1 malaise. Give me Mike Keenan style hockey. They don't have the personnel. And this is not something that has started. I've lived and died with this team since 1973. 74 since probably. You remember Dale Roth getting the crap beaten out of him right, by Philadelphia in the playoffs? Don?
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Don Hahn
Sure.
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Caller
I mean, this has gone on too long. Chris Jury has to understand. He got J.D. miller make this team bigger and stronger like Florida did. Why can't. Why does this organization always go out and get soft players? Can you explain that to me? Why?
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Dan Rosenberg
Listen, it's tough to do in season. It's really difficult to do in the year.
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Don Hahn
Rob. Yeah, I really think. And listen, I've talked to people. He wants to change this team. He understands what you're saying. It's just difficult to do it in the trading deadline when at the time that was March 7th. And you know, 75% of the league still thinks they can make the playoffs. And the teams that are awful just don't have any great personnel. You're going to see more changes during the off season. That's where you really make the big plays. They want north, south guys. They're going to make this J.T. miller's team. And I would not, I've not heard this, Robbie, but I would not be surprised if at some point you do see them part ways with Panarin. Not because he's not a great player, but does he fit what they are that they want to do? And that's someone that I think if you can find the right trade partner, you can get something for him.
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Dan Rosenberg
Well, that's absolutely.
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Caller
That's a great. That's a great point. Because Panarin, to me, doesn't think even the other thing is what has happened to Alexi Lafarnier? Is he picking up bad habits from Panarin? This kid? Is the facial hair, should he grow it back? I don't know.
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Don Hahn
Let me. He had his moments, but even when he had his moments, Robbie, and thank you for the call, he was never like a super great player. The thing is, he looked like he.
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Dan Rosenberg
Was putting it together. In the playoffs, he looked like he.
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Don Hahn
Was putting it together. But you know, in sports, Dan, it's not about putting things together briefly, it's about doing it consistently. I mean, anybody can have a good week, a good month, even a good year. But can you put it together? And the problem that with like, say, Lafreniere, it's not even his fault. He was the first pick in the draft in a. What was really looked upon as not that great of a draft. He was the consensus number one. As it turned out, Tim Stutzler ends up is going to be the best player in that draft, I think, and that took a little while. He's in Ottawa, but he wasn't the best player. Kako was the second best player and by far Jack Hughes was the better player, you know, so you can kill the Rangers for having the first and second pick back to back years and really coming away with what appears to be very little. But that was kind of the circumstances at the time. I mean, nobody killed the Cocko pick. Matter of fact, you had Ranger fans, if you remember Dan, thinking that they should take him over you. Like, they didn't. They were happy that the Devils took use. Right?
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Dan Rosenberg
Which is crazy.
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Don Hahn
No, no, listen. It was crazy, but at the time, listen, the problem with Kako is, is that he was a winger and it wasn't a great draft. And certainly the 2020 draft was not a great draft either. But I still think there's something there with La Frontiere. I think it's going to take a little. They just gave him a contract, so I guess they're going to stick with him. But that's the disappointing thing. Heidel concussion. He's got another concussion in Vancouver. Like, they did the right thing trading him away. Every hit you were afraid he was going to get hurt. Lafreniere hasn't lived up to a Cocko hasn't lived up to it. Keandre Miller's been kind of inconsistent. The kids that they have have not necessarily blossomed. And you know what's interesting too is that the guys you didn't think much of end up becoming guys that you really like. Will Cooley is becoming a really good player. Braden Schneider is a really good player. So you look at the guys that are supposed to be great and then the guys that you didn't think as much of and look what ends up happening. At the end of the day, you never know what's going to happen. We got the football draft coming. We all think we know. And Then how many times they get that all wrong. You got to go out there and see how it works itself out.
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Dan Rosenberg
But I think this collection of defensemen and all the trades that they've made ever since, you know, going back to Truba, you know, like they've kind of remade the blue line. I think for the most part. Like you've got your primary six for next year already.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, I think so. I mean Dahan was brought in just as a, as a, as a maneuver. He was, he was a free agent.
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Dan Rosenberg
Oh yeah, I wasn't counting him.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, but, but you know, listen, I will see what happens with Susie. But you know, I think, I think Jones and Schneider are players. I think Keandre Miller is a really good player. Fox obviously is not going to go anywhere. I thought he did a good job with Vakanine and Wackenainen got a contract. Borgen, they gave him a contract. I think you're right. I think he has successfully, you know, turn that around for sure. But the offense left a lot to be desired last night for sure.
- [25:00]
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Don Hahn
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Don Hahn
The Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I didn't listen to anything you just said. Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dan Rosenberg
Don Han and Rosenberg, Dan and Don hanging out with you here on this Wednesday. 800-919-3776 is the telephone number. Taking it right up until 7:00. Then I'll hang out with you for another half hour. Then I'll hang out with you for another half hour after that. Knicks pregame Knicks in the San Antonio Spurs. First of a two game road swing. First of a back to back for the Knicks as they will descend upon Charlotte Manana. One of those games, both of these games actually are two games that the Knicks should put in their pocket. I mean, the spurs are a different team, all banged up. No De'Aaron Fox, no Victor when Miyamas. We know. So road never easy. I get it. But the Knicks should handle their business tonight against a San Antonio squad.
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Don Hahn
Yes.
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Dan Rosenberg
Would you agree with that?
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Don Hahn
Yeah, that's you. You said it earlier. The schedule makers didn't do them any favors. But the quality of teams they're playing, they still should be able to win. So.
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Dan Rosenberg
And then they got Washington on Saturday. I mean the next three, you know, they, they're all not good teams.
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Don Hahn
Yeah. You got what's today? Wednesday. So it's not three games in five nights, but a little bit of travel. But again, they'll, they'll, they should be able to win all three of those games and then that would make it four in a row after what happened Saturday in Golden State. And you feel a lot better about yourself. But they're not catching Boston, they're not falling down to Milwaukee. Just get to the playoffs already, right?
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Dan Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Don Hahn
And also get Brunson back with I think enough time to get his sea legs in time for the playoffs.
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Dan Rosenberg
Well, apparently he's got to play four. If you get caught up in these type of things, he's got to Play four games to be eligible for any postseason accolades like all NBA and stuff like that to hit.
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Don Hahn
What would he be up to?
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Dan Rosenberg
5 number.
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Don Hahn
I guess all NBA would be up for.
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Dan Rosenberg
Yeah, probably he'd be like all NBA second team, I would think.
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Don Hahn
Well, I don't know if he cares about that or. Or probably not.
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Dan Rosenberg
Well, I mean I'm sure he's got incentives in his contract to where if he makes like bucks gave so much.
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Don Hahn
Money back, he probably did get some incentives back for it.
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Dan Rosenberg
He gets free reign of the snack bar at the MSG training facility.
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Don Hahn
We did a lot today, a lot of hockey, a lot of basketball. We did a little football, some baseball too. Baseball's coming where we eight days away from opening day. So we're gonna do a lot of baseball coming up too with with the Mets and the Yankees. But let's get a little bit of a taste with Bobby and Belmore. You're on ESPN New York. What's up Bobby?
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Caller
Yeah, hi guys. Good after. Good evening. Two groups of four. About the Yankees first group of four. How do you think their chances are getting back to the series? Even though with a weak American League without four the four best postseason players last year, Soto, Stanton, Torres and Cole. So what? And that's number one and number two, the new players. Reed has had a had pitch great 2021 World Series. But ever since the playoffs that year he's been horrible over five years already. He got bombed last year in the playoffs. He's had arm issues the last two years. Bellinger 211 postseason hitter. Rosemith's numbers have come down the last three years. That he already has a bad back for a 37 year old. And the last time I saw Williams pitch, Alonso took him deep the most important pitcher of his career. So you know, I'm not saying that they're an average team, but they always haven't projected 185 wins and there's a reason for that. And they're in danger of not making the playoffs, but I think they will. But as far as getting to the series, what do you think about that?
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Don Hahn
Well, I mean what I would ask you is who do you fear? I think all of your concerns are legit. But in the American League, who's the team that you fear the most that has the experience or has their number or whatever? I mean is it Texas because they won the World Series two years ago? Is it Houston because they kind of had your number number up until last year? But it wouldn't be Baltimore. It wouldn't Be Boston. Those teams might be better on paper, Bobby, but don't you think they have their concerns on what they can do in the postseason? Like so that's where I think it kind of comes back to them. The American League's wide open and Baltimore.
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Caller
Has won a postseason game these three years. Eustace, no. Tucker, no. Bregman, you know, and you know, and you know, the other teams, the Central, we all know about that now. It might be different. I mean, that Mickey, the four best postseason players from last year. So I mean, I mean, you know, I mean, you got to trust Rodan. He's hit or miss. He pitched great for two games and was horrible the other two games in the postseason. Free has got bomb this year in a postseason has not been good.
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Don Hahn
Like you said, he's pitched in the World Series. He pitched well four years ago in the World Series. Bobby, thank you for the phone call. I think there are concerns there, Dan, with the Yankees for sure. Goldschmidt already is back sparking. He's 37 years old. Bellinger is pretty far removed from his MVP. Uh, you got no cold, you got no heel. Schmidt's got a barky shoulder now all of a sudden, but they're still a good team. I don't know, is Boston ready to overtake them? We've seen Baltimore win what, like a 193 games over the last two years. Can't win in the postseason. Don't worry about Texas, you know that. We'll, we'll see what happens with them. Central, they always seem to beat the Central in a big spot. So I think the best thing you'd say about the Yankees, yeah, they're hurting, but everybody else has holes. And I still think this American League is wide open. Vegas still has them as the favorite despite the fact that they've suffered through all their injuries. So I think if you look at the wide angle lens of the American League, yeah, I still think they could be the cream of the crop.
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Dan Rosenberg
Best advice I give to Yankee fans about how they should approach the season, all the injuries and all that other stuff. Look at the Mets of last year. Two and a half months into the season, the Mets were a joke. The only two teams that had a worse record than the Mets in the National League were the Marlins and the Rockies. Once we were already in June.
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Don Hahn
Yeah.
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Dan Rosenberg
All right. It's a long, long season. I know the Yanks are all banged up, but you're not going to be able to bring in reinforcements pitching wise until you get into the season like Brian Cashman said that a couple of weeks ago. Like, you're not trading for any, like, frontline pitcher now. You got to let the season get going. Once you get closer to the deadline, maybe you make a move. But Yankees will be fine. They'll make the playoffs.
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Don Hahn
And what turned the Mets around, It wasn't a big, huge blockbuster deal at the deadline.
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Dan Rosenberg
No, it was Grimace what turned it around.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, symbolically.
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Dan Rosenberg
And omg.
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Don Hahn
But what turned it around was. Yeah, omg. Because they bring in Iglesias, they vientos got more playing time, and they moved Lindor to lead off. And things started to click. Like, so everybody thinks, oh, we gotta get an ace. 3. You're not replacing Cole. There is no other Cole to get. And if there is, he's not available. But look at heel. Last year, nobody even knew how to pronounce his name. He saves your bacon. When Cole was out last year, well, now he's out. But maybe Warren ends up being the heel from this year. Or. Or maybe they do get somebody. But it doesn't have to be a blockbuster. Just make the right moves. They're going to be there. Now, could I see it go sideways? Could Goldschmidt just not hit? Bellinger not hit? Yeah, it's possible. Juan Soto walks out the door. That's not nothing. And what was supposed to be the strength of the team was their rotation. And now it's taken a major hit. But I still think they've got talent there. I think the American League is wide open. I think they're a playoff team. I'm not ready to guarantee a division because I think Boston's improved and Baltimore is a good regular season team. But I would be really surprised if the Yankees were not in the postseason. And once you get there, who knows?
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Dan Rosenberg
I mean, you might, but their pitching is in shambles right now. Like you mentioned, Schmidt, he's throwing, but they don't think he's going to be built up and ready by opening day. Which means, I mean, who would have thought we would have said this a couple of years ago? There's a chance that Yankees, you know, start the season with Carlos Carrasco in that rotation.
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Don Hahn
Cookie.
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Dan Rosenberg
That cookie's been burnt crisp for a long time as far as I'm concerned.
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Don Hahn
But he's a pitcher.
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Dan Rosenberg
That's like the cookie that's under that lamp at 7:11. That's been there for, like, four days. That thing is so bad.
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Don Hahn
It's like. What was the name of the theater?
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Dan Rosenberg
The Taquito.
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Don Hahn
The hot dog.
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Dan Rosenberg
The interesting texture.
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Don Hahn
What was the name of the theater again?
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Dan Rosenberg
The Alex Theater.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, the Alex. Yeah. Listen, it was funny, but, like, you talk about plot holes, like, why would there be a hot dog just sitting there from like the 20s? And they redid the whole place, but they left the hot dog there.
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Dan Rosenberg
Well, for. For ambiance. Yeah, it's, you know, nostalgia.
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Don Hahn
Don't look for it to make a lot of sense. Let's go to Rick in Neptune. You're on ESPN New York. Hi, Rick.
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Caller
Hey, how you guys doing today?
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Don Hahn
Terrific, Terr.
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Caller
All right, Don. I just. I just wanted your. Your hockey expert opinion on possibly giving me some hope as a Devils fan. Overall, I've liked the way they've been.
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Dan Rosenberg
Playing lately, even with the injuries, like.
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Caller
You know, Jack Hughes and Dougie Hamilton. But they've only been playing better lately.
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Dan Rosenberg
When they got Jake Allen in goal.
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Caller
So, you know, Jacob Markstrom is not looking good since coming back from injury. But I just wanted to know, should I be hopeful? Do Devils have a shot? Is it like a dumb and dumber.
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Dan Rosenberg
Situation where you're telling me there's a.
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Don Hahn
Chance, like, give me some hope over here? Listen, there's a chance because I think they're going to make the playoffs. And I was very, very impressed with that win against Columbus. Although the Blue Jackets are struggling, I think you'll hold on to third place in the Metro. I don't give the Devils much hope of beating Carolina. It could happen, but with no Hughes, no Hamilton, if Markstrom is gonna take the reins. Listen, Allen's a good story, but he was brought here to be a backup to Markstrom, so Markstrom's gotta get himself right. They've got enough games to do it. You know, he shears back and healthy and scoring. They. They did revamp the blue line beyond Hamilton. It's a nice team, Rick, but, I mean, they're gonna be an underdog against Carolina. Carolina's always kind of had their number. I. Dan, I think they're one and done.
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Dan Rosenberg
Yeah. And unfortunately, they're going to end up getting a pass because of these injuries, you know, like, it's just. It's the way it's going to go, but.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, but I don't know if, honestly, if Hamilton and Hughes were healthy, I. I don't think I wouldn't be.
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Dan Rosenberg
Well, if Hamilton and Hughes were healthy and if Markstrom didn't miss as much time as he did and all the other injuries, they.
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Don Hahn
Well, they would be a third place. Yeah, they would finish tire. But. But with all that being said, if you told me that Hamilton and Hughes are back and healthy. I still would pick Carolina to be him in the playoffs. You know, that far removed from a couple of years ago when Carolina Beacher. Now listen, it's all about matchups. Like the Rangers don't match up. Rangers match up very well with Carolina. Apparently the way things have gone over the last few years, not so much for the Devils. So you know, the matchups make fights and it doesn't seem to work for them. But you know, listen, it's much better than it was last year when they were already out of it at this time and it'll be nice to see them back into the playoffs and it looks like they're pretty much locked in the Carolina. I don't think they're going to slip to the wild card and maybe Ottawa catches them and maybe they slip to where you have to play a Toronto or Florida or Washington in the, in the first round. But I just, I don't think, I think they're one and done no matter what. I just think they're one and done.
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Dan Rosenberg
Well, think of it. Carolina ended their season two years ago in the playoffs after they beat the Rangers and it could happen again this year. Carolina's been. If you go back and like trace Devil's history in the last like 25 years, Carolina has kind of been like a thorn in their side in the playoffs. Like think about this, if you go.
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Don Hahn
Back to out of the lockout, right, Devils won what like 11 games to close out the regular season. Yep, swept, played the Rangers swept them say at a 15 game winning streak going into Carolina in the second round and lost the first three games of the series and end up losing in five. And you go back to 02. Remember devils coming off, going to the Stanley cup final of the year before. So when, when you look at it from the Devil's perspective, one of their biggest rivals and you know it started out a non division rival when they were the Southeast and now it's a divisional rival. Carolina's right up there. I mean it's always gonna be the Rangers, Islanders, Flyers because of the geography. But you're right, that, that's, that was a pretty intense rivalry and Carolina got the better of it so far.
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Dan Rosenberg
And the worst one, you weren't even there that night because Rangers, Capitals, you know, Eric Stahl, the two goals in what, 90 seconds.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, game seven. Yep, that was.
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Dan Rosenberg
I still say to this day, to this day people like ask or whatever like covering games, covering teams. I have never been in a locker room that despondent after that because everybody, even media, media players especially shocked that that game in that series ended in that manner. Well, the series was over with a minute and a half left.
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Don Hahn
All right, Dan knows the story. A lot of listeners that have been with me for a long time know the story. But I think it bears repeating when we come back of just how much of a disaster that night was for me and hockey. And we'll take more of your calls to close it out at 1-800-919-3776. Don and Dan take up 7:00 Dan solo 7:30 and then he'll take over the pregame for Nick spurs right here on 880 ESPN. Fanduel is turning the excitement up even higher for college basketball. Through the first two rounds of the tournament, bet on the lowest winning seed.
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How many different apps?
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Don Hahn
Just the one app. But a lot of different bosses, a lot of different people that I've had a chance to work with and and I got to meet Dan Grasse. It's been a great ride, but there were times where it was very irritating to work here and that day that I was talking about with the Rangers and the Devils both playing Game Sevens on the same night was one of those days. I did the pre and post and play by play at that time too for the Rangers and the they were taken on the capitals in game seven in 2009. I was pulled from the broadcast. I wasn't going to do the play by play. Kenny had the pleasure of doing that. I got pulled off that because they needed me to host Monday Night Raw at Madison Square Garden at the Suite with me and Michelle Beetle for some listeners to watch the wrestling. And I said first of all, you're taking money out of my pocket. I'm supposed to be doing Rangers caps, but never mind that. I get it, but I'd rather be the game was in Washington. I'd rather be working that game. And not to mention the Devils were taking on the Hurricane same night. Two game sevens. The last place I want to be is a wrestling, which is something I the last place I'd rather be no matter what. No offense, just on my thing. I'm still not sure why I was there. I had nothing to do with wrestling and Michelle Beetle was there. So you already had a personality from the station representing. So I'm not even sure why I was there. But I. They made me go. So I was defined, I was antisocial. I put the Rangers on one tv. I put the Capitals on the other tv. I sat down in a highchair and just watched watch the games and ignored everybody, you know what I mean? Both local teams lost.
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Dan Rosenberg
Would they have played each other? I never thought about that. Like in the next round if both had won?
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Don Hahn
I don't remember. I'd have to go back and check. Yeah, it's a good question. I mean obviously there was that possibility, right? Because then they'd be moving on to the second round. It was a different format. It was one through eight back then. So I'd have to see if it had been this format then they would have been because they would be in the same division. So if I go back to seasons 2000 and that was also from the.
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Dan Rosenberg
Devil'S side of things, that ended up being Sutter's last season game behind the bench because then he stepped down after that when he realized I'm never going to win with this group.
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Don Hahn
So again I'd have to see how it all like matched up as far as like the seatings. Because the Capitals went on to play the Penguins and the Hurricanes played the Bruins.
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Dan Rosenberg
So obviously the Devils were top four because they had the home game. Game seven, the Capitals were top four. They had the home game.
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Don Hahn
The Devils were the 3C believe it or not. They had 106 points. But the Bruins won the President's Trophy that year with a hundred. No, excuse me. The Sharks won the President's Trophy 117. But the Bruins were the 1 seed.
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Dan Rosenberg
Okay.
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Don Hahn
The Caps were the 2 seed. The Devils were the 3 seed. So the Devil's Hurricanes were the 3, 6 matchup.
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Dan Rosenberg
So the Devils would have become the 2 if they had won in the.
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Don Hahn
Rogers had won Rangers and the capitals were 2, 7.
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Dan Rosenberg
So no, it would have been Rangers Bruins then. Because the Bruins made it to the second round, right?
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Don Hahn
The Bruins, I believe did, yeah, because that was the Bruins. The Bruins played the Hurricanes.
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Dan Rosenberg
Right. So then that means the Rangers wouldn't have played the Devils then.
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Don Hahn
Right. And the Hurricanes ended up losing to the Penguins in the Eastern Conference final. So. So yeah, yeah, just there's a throwback to some of the. Some of the things that the first world problems that at the time 1050 presented then became 98, 7 and now briefly back to 1050 and now 880. I've been here a long time, brother. Yeah, you've been here a long time. You've been here 20 years.
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Dan Rosenberg
No, I don't think that counts.
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Don Hahn
03 does. Because you were an intern.
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Dan Rosenberg
No, because I wasn't employed by the station for a good chunk. If you, if you got married, let's say 20 years ago and then you and your wife split for I don't know, 10 years or something, you weren't gone marriage 10 years, were you? Huh?
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Don Hahn
You weren't gone 10 years, were you?
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Dan Rosenberg
I think it was 10 years. I was off doing other things, trying to, trying to put food in my belly, you know what I mean?
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Don Hahn
Oh, we lost the caller saying don't fight fire laviolette.
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Dan Rosenberg
All right, 1-800-Mitchell Robinson tonight. He was iffy. He's going to play but the telltale is going to be tomorrow because he has not played in a back to back since coming back.
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Don Hahn
Right.
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Dan Rosenberg
So we'll see if he's able to give it a go tomorrow. Getting through tonight.
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Don Hahn
See these are the things you worry about with these last 15 games because again I don't think you can change hearts and minds based on how you play in these last 15. And as you said, the schedule is favorable at least over the next week or so. So they really should by the end of this week be riding a four game winning stream.
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Dan Rosenberg
But you know what is crazy? How about this, like you said, favorable schedule like when you know, getting ready for the game. Tonight they got 15 games left. Do you realize including tonight and Tomorrow they've got five more sets of back to backs over the 15 games. That's crazy.
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Don Hahn
And I don't know what the excuse is like the NHL's got the excuse because of the four nations and the two weeks they took off for that they really had to condense the schedule. What's the NBA's excuse? They don't have an excuse. They just, they had a normal schedule but it's, it's great. Now listen, you get a lot more back to backs in the Eastern Conference, especially in the division they're in because Philadelphia's closed, Washington's closed and all that. But still 5 with 15 left is ridiculous. But getting back to Mitch is that he played like close to 24 minutes against Miami.
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Dan Rosenberg
Best game. Yeah.
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Don Hahn
Which was a, was significant, you know. Now, now you nurse in an injury. I was really curious to see what he would do against Charlotte in the second to back to backs may not get that opportunity to play back to back games. These are the things you want to see. All right. Is Robinson going to be able to stay healthy and be at 100% come playoff time? When does Brunson come back? Is he going to be 100% come playoff time? So there are things to look at here in the last few weeks of the season.
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Dan Rosenberg
You want to hear something crazy too tonight in the NBA. So Oklahoma City's playing Philly, you know, Phillies in tank mode. Oklahoma City's got the best record, right?
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Don Hahn
Yeah.
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Dan Rosenberg
But you also know that Oklahoma City gets the Sixers first round pick if it's. It falls out of the top six. So Philly's been tanking. Right. Because they want to make sure they're one of the six worst teams. Oklahoma City tonight is doing load management. Shay Gilgis, Alexander, Jalen Williams, the two all stars out tonight for quote unquote, you know, rest because they want to lose this game. So Philadelphia gets the win.
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Don Hahn
So crazy.
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Dan Rosenberg
The NBA. I mean, see the thing is like it's so transparent and yet what can the NBA do?
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Don Hahn
It can't do it. What they did was you got to play X amount of games in order to. Was it 65 games be eligible for football.
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Dan Rosenberg
MVP of a league. Done making their only trip to Philadelphia this year and he's not going to play in the game, but he'll, he'll.
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Don Hahn
Play in his 65 games to be eligible for the MVP. Dan, thanks so much. Let's do this again tomorrow.
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Dan Rosenberg
Sure.
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Don Hahn
All right, Dan's coming up next and we got Nixon spurs right here on 880 ESPN. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Dan Rosenberg
I don't want to know how the.
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Don Hahn
Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. Good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8.
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Dan Rosenberg
80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. All right, let me ask you something. Ever feel like you're juggling at all, work, family responsibilities and still trying to keep your eye on the ball?
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Don Hahn
Yeah.
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Dan Rosenberg
You're in Ander. And National University gets the hustle. That's why they have flexible online classes and support services for folks who are balancing jobs and kids and everything. If you're ready to take the next step, National University can help you level up your education and score your goals. Check them out at NU Edu to learn more.