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Don Hahn
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Michael Rosenberg
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Michael Rosenberg
A lot of interesting things happening in sports, but really nothing bigger than the Yankees trying to stave off elimination and just live to fight another day. That's all this is. It's gonna, it's, the task is tall to win three straight games. Two of them are home. You've got the pitching matchup. Theoretically, you've got the pitching matchup in all three potential games here, right? You've got it tonight, you'll have it tomorrow. With the way Slitler pitched against Boston and they're going to have an open. You're hoping, hey, listen, you don't like the way Max Freed pitched on Sunday, but you would think Max Freed is a better pitcher than Gauzman, who you would have saw for what, the fifth time this year. So you can make the case all three games individually. The difficult thing is to just have them all happen in succession. But the Yankees did in 2017. And I thought Michael made a good point today. He's like, oh, well, they did it against the Indians. That Indians team went to the World Series the year before, you know, if not for a rain delay, probably beat the Cubs in the World Series. So that was a good Indians team. And the Yankees came back their first playoff appearance. Remember, that was the new look Yankees with Judge Sanchez and they were able to come back and win.
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Peter Rosenberg
So it's a different again. I don't agree.
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Michael Rosenberg
Judge is the only holdover from that series. Right?
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Peter Rosenberg
Think about that. There's no like, well, it's the same team. So we know what they're about. We don't know what this iteration of the Yankees are all about. We saw them throughout this year. They've looked great and there are times they look terrible. And for two games in Toronto, they look terrible. You need Carlos Rodin who we have seen, he had an 18 win season. He pitched really well. And yet there are also times that, you know, I mean, like the level of trust with Rodon right now, where is it? It's not very high, but you need him and you know, he's got good enough stuff to get it done. So we'll see. And he and Guerrero, we gave you the numbers. Guerrero against him, he's had. He's 10 of 17. Like he, he hits Radon. So you got to watch that aspect tonight. How do they pitch to him? How do they handle it? How long do they let him go? You got. You can't get to Weaver. Your middle relief right now is out of the question if your starter can't get you to Devin Williams. And those are all the things that you got to watch tonight. Judge, I want to see how the crowd, you know, handles him and all that stuff, but don't. There is something else going on tonight in New York City. Yes, there is. The start of the hockey season and we have spent way too much of the show avoiding this conversation. The New York Rangers dropped the puck tonight at the Garden.
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Michael Rosenberg
That's right.
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Peter Rosenberg
What are we expecting out of this season? You are the voice of the Devils, but you know the Rangers well. You've been around them, so no one better than you. And of course Anthony because it's his favorite team. But you know, for Ranger fans who are headed to the building tonight or going to the game, who are excited about the start of a new season, what are the Rangers going to be this year? Is this a reset year? It's not rebuild, I guess because there's still no main pieces there. There are a lot of main pieces missing now. They made a lot of changes last year, but what are the New York Rangers this season?
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Michael Rosenberg
Well, I think they're a playoff team. Now. You look at the Metropolitan Division, you figure Carolina is the defending champions of the division. So you give them one of the top three. I think this Devil's team is going to be good if they can keep he Sheer and Hughes healthy, healthy and Markstrom healthy, you know, and they get. They signed Luke Hughes and Pesci hurt his foot in that last preseason game, but he's in car. He's going to Carolina tomorrow and he's going to be in the lineup on Thursday. Okay, so they're in good shape there. And this Gritz look kid looks like he's pretty good. So if you give him then. So then it becomes all right. Is it Washington to get that third spot? Is A Columbus. A lot of people are high in Columbus. Rangers can grab it. I think Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and the Islanders I don't think are playoff teams right now. Islanders look eerily similar to last year's team.
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Peter Rosenberg
Very similar.
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Michael Rosenberg
And so I don't think you're going anywhere there. So they could be a three seed in the, in the division or they can grab a wild card because they've got Igor Shusturkin who's a world class goaltender. J.T. miller's now the captain and you got a full season of him. You still have Panarin who they may move at the deadline if they're out of it but if they're not, I think they'll hold on. You've got, you know, Adam Fox. I think Will Cooley is going to be even better now in what year three. So he's growing into to finally putting a good third line together for this team, something they've been searching for. So hey, listen, it could all go sideways. Couple of guys get hurt, lose a couple of tough games but right now I think there's enough there for them to make the playoffs and you get the right matchup in the first round. Who knows? I think cups off the table, but a playoff team. I see that Mike Sullivan was brought here to do two things. Get them on the cut path again but also make sure that they're going to make the playoffs. He missed the last couple of years in Pittsburgh and I think he wants to get back on the horse with the Rangers.
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Peter Rosenberg
That leads me to where I was going to go next is what is the Sullivan impact here? Now what is Sully Vance? There's the trident by the way. You see how pointed those things are.
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Michael Rosenberg
I know it's crazy. Nobody got hurt.
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Peter Rosenberg
What is the Sullivan impact here? Well, I got another coaching change now. They've gone through a lot of coaches over the last five years. What does he bring that could like what's going to look different because they made a coaching.
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Michael Rosenberg
Well, listen, I loved Laviolette. I don't think it's going to look much different because Laviolette is going to play. I would, I would think at least a similar style. The difference is there was a sense of urgency for laviolette to get him a cup that Mike Sullivan doesn't sense. So I think he's going to be a little bit more patient with the younger players. Let them make their mistakes when they come up. You know where you were under a tremendous amount of pressure to win every game with these kids. Now I think there's going to be room to grow and to experiment with some of the younger guys. You've seen Matt Rempe playing on the second power play. You wouldn't. I don't think Laviolette would have done that. Too important. Right. But now you can kind of fiddle with some stuff here because there isn't going to be that sense of cup or bust or I'm going to lose my job if I don't, you know, make a run to the conference final. And he's also dealt with stars. He dealt with Malkin, he dealt with Crosby, who's not hard to deal with, but, you know, Malkin can be sometimes. So he'll be able to juggle the Panarin thing. Whereas is he here? They're not going to extend Panarin? I don't think so. It's case till the end of the season and make the playoffs or they trade him at the deadline. But I think you just see a little bit more patient, a little bit more experimentation with some of the younger guys, which I think the fans will really enjoy because there's some good young players on this team.
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Peter Rosenberg
Give me one to watch.
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Michael Rosenberg
Well, I think. I think Perot is the one that you saw a little bit last year that I think's got a, you know, potential to be a really good player. Seeing a Schneider develop into a star defenseman, I think that's going to be happening very soon. You're starting to see that begin now. Maybe this is the coach that can crack the code on Alexei Lafreniere who you extended last year, who still. He was drafted in 2020. He's still very young.
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Peter Rosenberg
He's considered a young player.
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Michael Rosenberg
Well, I mean, listen, he's. He hasn't lived expectations, right? So I think it's going to be a fun season for, for the Devils and the Rangers.
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Michael Rosenberg
I feel bad for the Islanders because I just didn't see them do enough to make me think it's going to be anything different than it's been the last couple years. What, two years ago? Sneaking to the playoff? Get bounced by Carolina? Missed the playoffs last year? I'd like to see all three of these teams make it, but I think the Rangers have a much better chance than the Islanders.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, I agree there and I just think with the Islanders the problem is they're locked into so many contracts with some of these guys that they decided to lock up, especially defensively. I mean the defense is pretty much the same and it's the same guys and it's guys that end up getting hurt and they stay hurt and that's frustrating for a lot. I think with with Darsh, it's a different mood there and I think he might let Patrick wad do a little more when it comes to the way he wants to run the team and play the. And. And they do a lot of analytics. Darsh believes in it, the gm. But I just feel like when you have that same core and they've been around for. For a long time the way they have, you want to see do they still. Do they get to a point too where there's some pride that says there's still talent here, but we've been a little too country club. So are guys going to have like that sense of pride and maybe be a surprise team because they are so freaking experienced, or are they just going to stay sort of under the radar, no expectations? I got to. I'm guaranteed money. I don't have to do anything. I'm curious to see if there's some accountability in the room where they look around, they go, I kind of. Aren't we kind of tired of being mediocre? Shouldn't we like. If we strap up together and play it to the level of what some of these guys are that good. But I don't know what, you know, I don't know what to expect. So I'm with you. I don't know what to expect on the island. The Devils to me are a team that they got to stay healthy. They've got the goaltending to do it. There's no question.
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Michael Rosenberg
Right. Oh, Mark.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. Tons of firepower up front.
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Michael Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's just the issues have always been for them, health.
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Michael Rosenberg
Yep. Got to stay healthy.
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Peter Rosenberg
And the Rangers. But the Rangers to me are the wild card. I don't know what to expect from the Rangers. I don't know what.
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Michael Rosenberg
I just think when you have. When you have the pieces that they have, I think it gives you a chance to win every night. Right. Their goaltending should be able to give them a chance to win every night. They should be able to score. I remember Dave saying to me that the Sooner this becomes J.T. miller's team, the better.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yep.
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Michael Rosenberg
And he was made captain, so it's got a chance.
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Peter Rosenberg
So will they have a little more edge to them? Will there be a little more.
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Michael Rosenberg
He's going to give them an edge and J.T. miller is going to give them an edge for sure. So that's going to help defensively. They will. Question is, what is. What is Mika's advantage at. At this point? If Mika's advantage at passenger, there may not be enough there, but they were.
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Peter Rosenberg
So bad defensively last year. The breakdowns they would have defensively now and Again, they've, they've changed out some bodies. They actually did it during the season last year. But like again with Sullivan there, does that also change? They become a different type of defensive team? I don't know because I always felt like that was their biggest problem. They would have a pocket of. In the middle of a game where they give up three goals and the whole thing just turns on.
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Michael Rosenberg
Yeah, because it just became third period freelance and try to get there, you know. But between the leg passes and taking offense instead of. I think Sullivan's going to bring back that, that stability defensively.
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Peter Rosenberg
All right.
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Michael Rosenberg
And I think it's good but it could take some time. Yeah, but you're right. The Devil's Hughes is a star.
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Peter Rosenberg
Oh my God.
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Michael Rosenberg
And being around him, he seems to get it. He just, he's got to stay healthy. He's got one 78 game season otherwise you're looking at a lot of 40. He will be their first 50 goal scorer. He will be their first 100 point scorer if he can stay healthy this year. Added 20 pounds of muscle. So he's going to be bigger and I think that's a physical presence. Timo Meyer, big kid looking for him to finally break out. The Donoff was a great pickup for them. He's going to play some top line. Jesper Bratz turning into a star as well. They've got, they've got a lot there. No, they have a lot there.
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Peter Rosenberg
They've had plenty of drafts. So they have, they've been able to like start filling it up.
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Michael Rosenberg
They just can't figure. They can't crack the code on Carolina and that's who they, they, they play on Thursday and that's who's knocked them out of the playoffs the last couple of years. They just can't figure it out. It's funny in hockey, right. Rangers can beat the Carolina Hurricanes in their sleep during the playoffs. Right. Can do it. Devils can't beat Carolina. You know it's just, it's weird. Carolina can't beat Florida. Like it's all matchups and that's styles that they fight. Yeah, it's crazy.
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Peter Rosenberg
The only thing I'm looking for on the island is can Matt Barzell take it to a level that I have not that have to be 40 plus.
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Michael Rosenberg
Goal scorers if they're going to be in the playoffs. And I don't see that.
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Peter Rosenberg
They got to stay on the ice together. They've got to stay healthy together and they have to like. But Barzell has to become a player that can play in a system and not just kind of be the system himself. I'm curious to see what they do with him because he's too good a player. Like when your best player doesn't scare the other team, I don't think he scares the other team. When he step on the ice in a one goal game. Then I don't know how great of a player he is him. And then obviously watching the kid Schaefer, they kept him as a seventh D, an 18 year old and can they, can they turn him into something? Because the talk about him and what his potential is going to be down the road. He could be special like he could be Norris quality defenseman and you're going to see the very early stages of that in a kid who's obviously a great kid. So those are the things. If there's something to watch on the island, that's what I'm watching.
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Michael Rosenberg
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Don Hahn
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Michael Rosenberg
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Michael Rosenberg
All right, all about you the rest of the way. 1-800-919-3776 Want to let the Yankee fans know because we've got the Ranger game on our air beginning at 7:30 tonight on 8:80. You can listen to the Yankee game on 10:50. They've blown out the Seattle Detroit game. That game's not going to be heard because it's not going to start until after 7 o'. Clock. So 7:30 the pregame for Yankees, Blue Jays. All the marbles for the Yankees. That'll be coming up at 7:30 on 10:50. Here on 880 you get 30 minutes of Dan Grassa leading into his pregame show for the first game of the year. Rangers and the Penguins, Panthers and Blackhawks are playing right now. That game's tied at two late in the second period. Hockey is underway. 1-800-919-3776. Steve in California. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Steve?
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Caller Steve
Hey guys. Great to speak with you again. Anything taller than me, what you were talking about earlier, how you build a team matters. You guys started talking about the Yankees and how people were so pessimistic to me. And as I've been sitting and listening, it applies to every sport and every team that we're talking about. How you build a team matters. The Yankees haven't been steamrolling anybody. They're not playing with a team of confidence. They don't have great pitching. And while they have good defense, they don't have great defense. Toronto is a team that's just better well put together. They play day in and day out, merciless baseball like a machine. You know, you may beat them, but you have to beat them. The Yankees beat themselves sometimes either in how they approach the ball, hitting, how they sometimes feel. It's their approach, you know, they're talking about. You guys were talking about how they don't want to play situational.
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Michael Rosenberg
Here's. I don't disagree with you, but they were tied for the most wins in the American League. So that's what they would say to you is, what's so wrong with our team? We were a tiebreaker away from being the 1 seed in the American League. So same record as the Blue Jays.
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Caller Steve
Well, you couldn't win the clutch ball game that you needed to win. You know, it reminds me of Danny cater, the most useless.300 hitter I've ever seen.
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Michael Rosenberg
This is the, this is the standard that Yankee fans throw out there. But then they ignore the fact that, you know, you almost won the division, you went to the World Series last year. I sort of, yeah, there's flaws in this team, but not clutch. Didn't they not win Games 2 and 3 against the Red Sox to advance? I know you want it to be better and they sell that it should be better. But let's not talk about this team like they're the Mets who missed the playoffs or they like the Angels that never go to the playoffs.
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Peter Rosenberg
I didn't understand that, like, no one hates the Yankees more than Yankee fans. Sometimes it really, it really. Like, I'm the first one to talk about how I don't like the approach and I don't like the style of play. And I don't agree.
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Michael Rosenberg
There are things that are going to have to change if they lose tonight for sure.
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Peter Rosenberg
But we said that last year and we said it a year before. We said a year that they, they went 82 and 80 and didn't make the right. Like we. We said that. And it yet doesn't change. So the approach is not changing until Brian Cashman decides he doesn't want to be a general manager anymore. Like that, you understand. I'm frustrated, too, but I'm not going to go to the extremes of how, oh, the Blue Jays and the Yankees are just two different teams. The way the Blue Jays play is just. I like the way they play, yes. But to say that it's just so much better. And then Both teams have 94 wins. They scored 23 runs in the first two games. That feels like an aberration. I told you already. Over the course of the two games, seven straight innings in that pocket of innings from the end of game one to the start of game changed everything. They had 18 runs in that pocket. That was an insane run for them. That can't possibly happen again tonight.
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Michael Rosenberg
You wouldn't think so.
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Peter Rosenberg
Oh, my God.
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Michael Rosenberg
But you could also lose the Game one, nothing. If you're not going to hit, they're going to have to try to hit. But if you're. And I'm not, I'm not discouraging you from calling. And the calls that we don't get to today, you know, Dan Gross is coming up next, so he'll take your calls till 7:30 and then we'll have the Ranger pregame, that guy Steve that called from California, pitch it to Brian Cashman. Like, go. If you had a chance to sell Brian Cashman on how things need to change, you're going to have to come with a better argument with that because his retorts going to be, we won 94 games, we went to the World Series last year. We're still mathematically alive to be able to win this series. And if we don't, hey, you know, we'll, we'll reassess. But you know, when you're trying to sell a bad baseball team how to be better, they need to be convinced they're doing it the wrong way. You think they're doing it the wrong way because they haven't won a World series since 2009. They're going to show you. Name another baseball team that has won the clip that we've won consistently going to the playoffs every year, have not finished under.500 in over 30 years. Name me another team in New York.
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Peter Rosenberg
That'S had the success that we've had no other.
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Michael Rosenberg
You know, so I'm not disagreeing with Steve. I'm just saying you got to come at it at a different angle, man.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's got to be because you wouldn't.
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Michael Rosenberg
Sell Brian Cashman on that argument.
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Peter Rosenberg
No, it's strictly about appeal. That's all it's about. Yeah, it's appeal. The Blue Jays play a style of play that is more fun or at least for me, more enjoyable to watch. That's it? That's all you can say?
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Michael Rosenberg
You know, it's that fatalistic feeling like it's already over. And yet we could be here tomorrow having the same conversation because they won. Game will be on 1050 for the Yankee fans, Ranger fans. Hang in there. Dan Gross is going to take you up until the pre game there. Talk to you Again tomorrow at 3 on ESPN New York.
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Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Peter Rosenberg
I don't want to know how to the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.
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Don Hahn
Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
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