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Don Hahn
This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
Peter Rosenberg
That sounds like heaven to me.
Don Hahn
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers is easy. Top guy.
Peter Rosenberg
Don't.
Don Hahn
I could take it or leave him.
Peter Rosenberg
There's a couple songs I like, but.
Don Hahn
Yeah, I'm the same way.
Peter Rosenberg
If I never heard them again, I think I get by Deed live.
Don Hahn
Yeah, they have a couple of like. Good. So everybody, I think, knows the sharp dressed man. You know, that's. Yeah. Cliche.
Peter Rosenberg
If I had to say, my favorite ZZ Top song would probably be.
Don Hahn
The.
Peter Rosenberg
Was it the. The cheap sunglasses?
Don Hahn
That's pretty good. Yeah, yeah, they had a relatively slow. I mean, give me all you love. And everybody knows Legs. Everybody knows.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
Don Hahn
There's a slower song they did. Can't remember the name of it, but it was really good. Yeah, good. I can't tell you the name, but if I heard, I'm like, oh, yeah, I like that song. Oh, Rough Boy. Rough Boy is a good song.
Peter Rosenberg
Okay, I gotta listen to that one. Yeah, maybe, maybe. We'll bump back the next segment with it. 1-800-919-3776. Jacob's pretty good at. He's very good knowing how to get all that together. Let's make it about you up until 7 o' clock with the phone calls. Let's go to Mike and Fair Lawn. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Mike?
Caller Mike
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I love the show.
Don Hahn
Thank you so much.
Caller Mike
I want to tell you, yesterday's kit for Cat you guys were having yesterday about removing these good pictures to put in a bum who loses the game. I agree 100%. I thought for a moment Don was gonna go want a rant. But I, I absolutely 100% agree to what it's doing and what it looks like to baseball purists. So I started thinking, and I'm surprised you guys didn't bring this up, especially you, Don, because you're so adept at drawing comparisons between seemingly unrelated things. So I started thinking, how many less threes would Ray Allen have had or Steph Curry have if they were taken out after, let's say, 35 minutes or after, let's say 14 to 15 attempts every game.
Don Hahn
Well, that's, you know, that's interesting. It's funny because in the NBA they actually, you know, there isn't a pitch count, like you're saying, because it is good, though. Like, Steph Curry's taken 12 threes. How many more threes can his shoulder take? You never hear that. But the minutes thing is interesting. And the games, like sitting out games. Yeah. Like, Mike, that, that's going to cost some players, whether it's, you know, top 20 in scoring or whatever it is, because the games played numbers per season are nowhere like it used to be with other players. Kareem, Michael, those other guys, they played so many games per season, you don't see that anymore.
Caller Mike
Right? And they played the whole game.
Don Hahn
Yeah, yeah. 40 minutes was nothing back then, you.
Caller Mike
Know, and then I thought, how many less goals would our vet can have today if he was taken out of every game after, let's say, five shifts, period?
Don Hahn
It's just played differently. Yeah, it's played differently. But Mike's. Mike, Mike's clearly making the point that, Don, you were trying to make about the game. This game matters. And a player like, again, well, last night they were already talking about, well, how many pitches is he at? And you know, he does have the no hitter. And you know what, what matters more? Getting the win or the no hitter? And, and they let him go until he gave up a couple of hits. But that, it's amazing that every game now that's a priority conversation instead of, can he get the no hitter? Right.
Peter Rosenberg
Because what they've done, because of all of these changes and these pitch counts and all that is they've made the win for the pitcher irrelevant. Like, it doesn't matter anymore. You're not judged by wins and losses anymore. You're judged by a bunch of other things. But wins and losses don't matter. That's why you can win the Cy Young with nine wins, because wins don't matter. Yeah, but the reason wins matter to me is because that's something a pitcher can take personal. Like, I started this game. I want to. Maybe I can't finish it, but I want to get out of my own jam because I'm self invested in this. Yeah, I care about the team, but I'm in the jackpot, right? My record's on the line here. I started this game and I think there's something to that, that there's something personal that a starting pitcher has, like a starting goaltender in hockey. Like, I'm getting this win. This is my game. I started it. I want to finish it. I want to see this through. That that's you don't have. Maybe a quarterback feels that way in football, but it's different. Basketball is different. But baseball and hockey, you've got the goaltender and the pitcher. Theoretically the only two positions in professional sports where a win or loss is attached to that player. And so I think with that comes a little bit more passion, a little bit more gumption to get the job done because not only is your team counting on you, but you want to see it through. And so I think Peterson brings a little bit more to the table getting out of that one on nobody out situation in the eighth inning than a relief pitcher coming in. Would you know what I mean?
Don Hahn
Yes, of course.
Peter Rosenberg
And I think we've lost that now because it doesn't matter what he, he like the way Mendoza said no, he already did his job. But I could see Peterson saying, no, I didn't do my job because I allow that run. If Stanek, when Stanek came in and gave up the run, that run was credited to Peterson because he put him on like so. Don't you see how personal it now becomes? Stanek gives up that run, it's not on his ledger, it's on Peterson. So Peterson's going to go that extra mile to make sure that guy doesn't score. And I think there's something then that's gotten lost in these managers decisions, that's gotten lost in this sport that I think is really needed right now.
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Don Hahn
On the same point you're making and we talk so much about second time through the rotation, third time through the rot. Oh well, they've seen him twice and I remember as a kid that it would always be he's setting him up for an at bat. Later I remember hearing these stories about a third time through and it's like you remember that at bat, the first one, you know he was setting him up for this at bat because he's looking for this pitch and he threw this. And I've always wondered why is it always a one way street when it comes to the pitcher versus the batter? Seeing him three times, I get the fact that okay, I've seen your three pitches, I know what they look like, I can read the spin, all that stuff. I understand that. But how come also what happened to the days of the pitcher and Having that ability to also know, well, I know what you're looking for and you're not going to see it this time around. Like I've always felt it's a one way street with pitching and it's almost like, well, there's no way he could do it. Let's get him out of here so that they don't hit him.
Peter Rosenberg
And because that's why the true great pitchers, they always would say, if you're going to get them, get them in the first inning because that's when they're most susceptible because they're not giving, they're not showing you everything in the first inning.
Don Hahn
Right.
Peter Rosenberg
They're not throwing as hard as they can in the first inning because they're in for the long haul. They want to be there in the seventh and eighth. They want to have something to fool you the third and fourth time you face them. But a lot of these pitchers go in and say, man, my responsibility is basically to get 15 guys out, so I'm probably not going to see you that many times. So I'm going to throw the filthy 95 mile per hour slider in the first thing because I don't have to worry about the seventh. I'm not going to be here like. So that's all they're thinking because I think the pitchers now have adjusted to it as well. But Peterson's a little old school. He's had a complete game on his ledger already this year and he was pitching well. And you take pride in that and you've taken that away from them.
Don Hahn
Yeah.
Peter Rosenberg
And to rush to go to a pitcher that isn't even having that great of a year and the people that defended Allen are just caving to the way that baseball's played now. And they've now convinced themselves, well, 90 pitches, my God, of course you got to take them out. And I'm telling you, you don't, you don't. Not all the time. Not when a guy struck out 1, 2, 3 inning in the seventh inning and struck out the last two batters. He deserves more than just one batter in the eighth inning.
Don Hahn
And every, every injury gives, always gives credence to it. Even though it seems like there's a lot by percentage, there isn't. There's a little more. It does happen. But that's also. Are these guys being built up the same way they used to be? It's, it's. Look, the game's different and everybody surrenders to it.
Peter Rosenberg
Well, and you said it, the baseball does it right, because their minor League system. You draft them and the way they play through all, you know, three levels, four levels, however, you know, many they end up going through before they get to the major leagues are all playing it the same way. So they're developing you from the second you were drafted at 17 to be a guy that, you know, give me.
Don Hahn
Five innings, who's going to be the franchise. That just goes, you know what? I need to get length out of my starters because there's not enough good pitching anymore. And a lot of these relievers are interchangeable parts. They're nameless, faceless people. It's sad to say, but it's true. There's a lot. Like, there's a million guys who have been relief pitchers in baseball who you'll never remember again. And God bless them, because you got to the major. So it's not a knock on you, but the best that's left. I just told you, there's. There's 30 pitchers in the league that are going to make $20 million or more that are starters. There's only 11 that are over 25 million. It shows you that. That they're not paying for. They're not paying a premium anymore, but for starting pitching. But what if you're an organization that decides, you know what, let's change our ways. We're going to draft young pitchers. We're going to bring them. We got these guys out of high school. They're used to throwing their, you know, throwing their arms out. Some of them are already getting Tommy John at the age of 17, some of them on purpose. Let's start developing them at a young age to give us length, and let's see if we can get back to that. And now we don't have to have so many damn relief pitchers. And we're leaving the game in the hands of somebody that you just called up yesterday or a guy who isn't good enough to be a starter. And now I'm asking him, you got two pitches? Can you get me some outs?
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, it's a great question. I don't know. I think we're a long way to ever seeing that happen, but I think you're right. So things do change. Just sometimes it's like a battle running back takes a while to turn it around.
Don Hahn
But there are some teams that are starting to reprioritize the running back because it's just so hard to put all your. All your money into when there isn't. There's 32 teams. There's not 32 starting quality quarterbacks. There's not. So if you're a team that doesn't have one, are you just going to overspend for one? Or do you just say, you know what, why don't we just do it this way?
Peter Rosenberg
And if it works, then I think we'll start to see the change. Because everybody's going to copycat the champion.
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Peter Rosenberg
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Don Hahn
Well, it's. It's going on right now. It is after six. Look at that. Yeah.
Peter Rosenberg
Having so much fun.
Don Hahn
I know. We're flying right through this. Nick's. It's 2115 pistons. It's late. I think after the first quarter. Not a lot of great. Not a lot of great shooting going on here from the Nick Puppies.
Peter Rosenberg
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Don Hahn
Speaking of bet, can I throw this in real quick before we finish up with calls?
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, sure.
Don Hahn
A study published this month by a website called Vegas Slots Online. Okay, slots. I just. They ranked the Long island accent as the second most appealing in the country.
Peter Rosenberg
Appealing?
Don Hahn
Yeah.
Peter Rosenberg
What do you mean appealing? Like people like it.
Don Hahn
The accent? Yeah. It was based on sentiment analysis. 27.8% of social media reactions to the Long island accent were positive. So Cajun is number one. That's, of course, New Orleans and all that stuff.
Peter Rosenberg
Sure.
Don Hahn
And the Mississippi draw is. Was third. So somehow. Somehow the nails on a chalkboard. Long island accent is in between two of the most pleasant accents. And I figured the Cajun one you would like the most.
Peter Rosenberg
Running a PSA about not throwing garbage in New York that always got down. I don't know what that accent is.
Don Hahn
That accent is something. Right? Like, that's. Anthony and I were talking about it during one of the breaks. Do you have a little take? Can you play a little taste of that, boys, or is that hard to do? Oh, the psa. Yeah. You know what we're talking about? About don't throw your trash. Don't do that in your city.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. I think you would do a better accent than they did.
Don Hahn
We got to find it, but I think we have it here.
Peter Rosenberg
I don't know where those people are from.
Don Hahn
What are you doing? Don't do New York City dirty. New York City is my heart, my soul. I never do this place dirty because everything I want is in this city.
Peter Rosenberg
Why would you.
Don Hahn
Somewhere that you live, this is your home. You don't throw papers out the window, flick cigarettes. Disrespectful. Dispose of it the correct way. It's disrespectful. That sounds like Tony Soprano. Trash cans don't do New York City. Dirty trash. Your trash.
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Peter Rosenberg
Now, the message is very, very important.
Don Hahn
No, it's very important.
Peter Rosenberg
It is, but I. I don't know what. Those people aren't from New York.
Don Hahn
They're actors. Right.
Peter Rosenberg
But you know what? Come on.
Don Hahn
Donnie, what are you doing? Donnie, come over here. Come, come sit with Aunt Dan. Come here. Come here. Get me a cigarette first before you sit down. Go get me.
Peter Rosenberg
You got to get the accents right, you know, and you can't be too over the top like I. It's one of my favorite movies of all time. But the one problem I have with the Departed, they were way over the top with their Boston accent. Like, way over the top. You remember Martin Sheen?
Don Hahn
Yeah. Oh, God. The Departed was. Oh, painful. Alec Baldwin, who I love. Way over he.
Peter Rosenberg
Way over the top.
Don Hahn
He tried so hard. So bad.
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, we're gonna go to war with the Chinese in 20 odd years. The Mayor Quimby is all of a.
Don Hahn
Sudden in the DiCaprio has it. What do you want to chop me up and feed me to the poor? Chop me up and feed me the poor? Is that what you guys want?
Peter Rosenberg
These are brilliant actors and it was a great movie. It's like, just tone it down just a little.
Don Hahn
It's great. God. But they were supposed to be from, you know, that they were, you think from the town. Like that's. They wanted him to be like that, but everybody. Awful.
Peter Rosenberg
It was a little much.
Don Hahn
By the way, there is a line here. You're just going to make you throw up. So I'll finish it with this.
Peter Rosenberg
All right.
Don Hahn
In the press release, there's a line that's in describing the Long island accent. Quote, it's iconic sound popularized by the Sopranos, continues to be the most recognized American accents today.
Peter Rosenberg
So they have no idea what they're doing.
Don Hahn
No idea. That.
Peter Rosenberg
So you know. That's Tonka Truck.
Don Hahn
That's what that is. An old show would have called that.711.com.
Peter Rosenberg
You sure you weren't sports pickled there?
Don Hahn
I don't care. This is Long island accent. I'm taking it. Cajun number one. Long island number two. Mississippi number three. Now Florida number four. I didn't know there was an accident in Florida. Most of it's New York anyway. Pacific Northwest also tied for four.
Peter Rosenberg
Interesting.
Don Hahn
Maine, sixth. Appalachian, seven. Boston, eight. Apple. I don't know what a high tighter is, but that's there. Louisiana and then New England, which. How's that different?
Peter Rosenberg
From Boston or how's that different from Maine?
Don Hahn
Right.
Peter Rosenberg
I. You know, I think. I think somebody was just having some fun with you.
Don Hahn
No, no, this is a real thing.
Peter Rosenberg
No, it's. It's not real.
Don Hahn
It's very real.
Peter Rosenberg
Well, then that person's a moron.
Don Hahn
I clicked on it.
Peter Rosenberg
It's real.
Don Hahn
Well, you read it.
Peter Rosenberg
They wouldn't. They wouldn't go to the trouble.
Don Hahn
You just make. There's no New Jersey on here.
Peter Rosenberg
Well, but there is New Jersey, and it's obviously number one because they said. Popularized by the Sopranos. So I think they're just. They're really confused. They don't know the difference. Island in New Jersey. Let's go to Dennis in North Carolina. You're on espn. New York.
Don Hahn
What's up, Dennis? Too good.
Caller Mike
You were talking before about you would root for your sons. He was playing for a team. But what happened? What if he became a broadcaster and so did your daughter and, like, who was the devil's biggest rival?
Peter Rosenberg
That's the Rangers.
Caller Mike
No, but on the other conference. So they're about to go. So they can play the Stanley cup against each other.
Don Hahn
They don't have a rival in the other conference.
Caller Mike
They don't have one. Okay, so they're playing. So if you guys are against each other in the Stanley cup finals, are you going to root for the Devils and your side or your kids teams?
Peter Rosenberg
But if I'm roster. If I'm calling it for the Devils, you're.
Caller Mike
You're calling the Devils. Your son is calling for the other team.
Don Hahn
And it's like.
Peter Rosenberg
Daughter is like an executive.
Don Hahn
No. Yeah. Like what. What, like would. If you were. I don't think that matters. The. The.
Peter Rosenberg
The difference here, Dennis, and thank you for the phone call.
Don Hahn
Is he.
Peter Rosenberg
He can't affect the outcome of the game, so it's okay to just. I hope you have a good game, Don.
Don Hahn
I'm just calling a 420 on that one. Listen.
Peter Rosenberg
Summer weed makes me feel fine. I'm telling you, we smoke more dope on this show than anybody. Not forget about New York, the country. I'm telling you, our audience is high all the time, and I love it. I think.
Don Hahn
I don't feel like I catch up.
Peter Rosenberg
I think it's great.
Don Hahn
We got a minute to go. I feel like I'm catching up to some of our listeners. I have to.
Peter Rosenberg
I don't know if we can fit anybody else in. Maybe Al, if you're quick in New Jersey. What do you got, man?
Don Hahn
Quick. Quick. Frotel.
Caller Mike
Yeah. Grew up a diehard. Met fan. I was invited to a 1996 six game World Series game. Die hard Met fan. I went, hey, did I root for the Yanks? I probably did because it was my first World Series game. Never been there. Years later I get a ticket plan to be with the Yankees home ticket plan which grandfather was into the playoffs. I was. I was in the 90, 97, 98, 99, 2000, 2001 World Series games. And I have to admit I kind of liked it and was rooting for the Yanks even though I was, you know, they knew I was a Met fan. I hated to do it, but I just liked it.
Peter Rosenberg
I didn't like it. What a way to end fraud. You know what it makes Sometimes fraud gives you movement. It sounded like it moved.
Don Hahn
It definitely good for me. Al cheated.
Caller Mike
Take it all off.
Peter Rosenberg
Enjoy your weekend everybody. We'll talk to you again on Monday at 3 on ESPN New York.
Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.
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You've seen the headlines, heard the debates.
Don Hahn
Some say the three point ball has created a monotonous rhythm to the game.
Peter Rosenberg
Has the three pointer ruined basketball? And how did we get here?
Don Hahn
The rise of the three point shot.
Peter Rosenberg
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Don Hahn
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Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 4: Pitching & Accents
Release Date: July 11, 2025
Hosts:
09:22 – 13:38
The episode delves into the controversial topic of pitch counts in baseball, initiated by a caller named Mike from Fair Lawn. Mike draws parallels between pitch counts in baseball and restrictions like three-point attempts in the NBA, questioning their impact on player performance and game dynamics.
Mike: “How many less threes would Ray Allen have or Steph Curry have if they were taken out after, let's say, 35 minutes or after, let's say 14 to 15 attempts every game.” [02:47]
Don Hahn: Highlights the difference in player management between eras, noting that modern pitchers don't accumulate seasonal game counts like legends Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or Michael Jordan. “The games played numbers per season are nowhere like it used to be with other players.” [03:31]
Peter Rosenberg: Emphasizes the personal stake pitchers have in the game through their win-loss records, arguing that pitch counts have diminished the intrinsic motivation pitchers once held. “I want to get out of my own jam because I'm self-invested in this. I care about the team, but I'm in the jackpot, right? My record's on the line here.” [04:19]
The discussion underscores a shift from valuing individual pitcher achievements to prioritizing overall team strategy, potentially at the expense of pitcher legacy and personal accountability.
17:09 – 21:44
Transitioning from sports, the hosts engage in a light-hearted debate about a study from Vegas Slots Online ranking the Long Island accent as the second most appealing American accent.
Don Hahn: Shares his skepticism about the survey’s accuracy, humorously describing the Long Island accent as “the Sopranos” style. “Long island accent is in between two of the most pleasant accents.” [17:26]
Peter Rosenberg: Critiques the survey, suggesting it may not authentically represent New York accents. “I don't know what that accent is. These actors aren’t from New York.” [19:06]
Discussion: The hosts impersonate the Long Island accent, creating humorous and exaggerated versions of how it might be portrayed in public service announcements (PSAs). They reference "The Departed" movie’s over-the-top Boston accent as a contrasting example.
This segment blends humor with cultural commentary, highlighting the nuances and perceptions of regional accents.
22:02 – 24:35
The podcast features interactions with callers, adding a personal and engaging element to the show.
Caller Dennis from North Carolina: Asks how the hosts would handle rooting for their hypothetical children's teams in a Stanley Cup Finals scenario. The discussion remains playful, touching on family dynamics and sports loyalties.
Caller Mike: Shares his experience attending multiple World Series games, revealing his complex loyalty between the Mets and Yankees. “I was a diehard Met fan... I just liked it.” [24:30]
Don Hahn & Peter Rosenberg: Address the callers with humor and camaraderie, reinforcing the show's friendly and relatable atmosphere.
These interactions provide listeners with relatable content and showcase the hosts' ability to connect with their audience.
24:35 – 25:21
In the concluding segment, the hosts briefly shift focus to basketball, specifically the impact of the three-point shot on the game’s rhythm and excitement.
Don Hahn: “Some say the three point ball has created a monotonous rhythm to the game.” [24:55]
Peter Rosenberg: Explores the historical context and future implications of the three-point shot, mentioning an upcoming 30 for 30 series. “30 for 30 podcast presents a brand new original series, Chasing basketball heaven, available July 22.” [25:15]
This segment hints at deeper analytical discussions on basketball strategy, promoting upcoming content for sports enthusiasts.
Impact of Pitch Counts: The hosts critically analyze how modern baseball's emphasis on pitch counts affects pitchers' longevity, performance, and personal investment in the game. They advocate for a balance that preserves pitchers' roles and motivations.
Cultural Perceptions of Accents: Through humorous debate, the podcast highlights how regional accents are perceived and represented in media, questioning the authenticity and implications of such portrayals.
Engaging Audience Interaction: The inclusion of caller stories and questions fosters a sense of community and relatability, making the podcast appealing to a broad audience.
Evolving Sports Dynamics: By touching on the three-point shot in basketball, the hosts acknowledge and examine the evolving strategies in sports, hinting at future in-depth discussions.
Notable Quotes:
“I want to get out of my own jam because I'm self-invested in this. I care about the team, but I'm in the jackpot, right? My record's on the line here.” – Peter Rosenberg [04:19]
“Long island accent is in between two of the most pleasant accents.” – Don Hahn [17:26]
“I was a diehard Met fan... I just liked it.” – Caller Mike [24:30]
Conclusion
In this episode of "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg," the hosts provide an insightful and entertaining exploration of baseball's evolving pitching strategies and the cultural nuances of regional accents. Through engaging discussions and relatable caller interactions, they offer listeners a blend of sports analysis and lighthearted commentary, maintaining the podcast's signature blend of depth and humor.
For those who haven't tuned in, this episode offers a comprehensive look into the complexities of modern baseball pitching and a humorous take on American accents, all delivered with the hosts' characteristic wit and expertise.