Peter Rosenberg (2:07)

Don San Jose. Well what happened with the Devils and it should not be about one guy but Brett Pesci losing him and he's gonna be out for at least the next month with the, with the injury is that you know, you lose a, you Lose a piece to your defense. One guy shouldn't make that big of a difference. But guys, you give up 13 goals in two games, you know it's on the road and you know the offense, not great last night, a couple of power play goals, they weren't great five on five. But they got to figure it out. They've lost six straight games in the state of California. They lost all three games last year, the last two the year before that. Now they've dropped the, the game against San Jose. They got a Kings team looking for their first home win tomorrow and then the second of back to backs against the Ducks. So you don't want to give it all back. You won eight in a row, that's great. But you don't, you don't want to all of a sudden, you know, give up half of it back. And oh, by the way, when you come home on Thursday, home against the good Canadiens team and a Pittsburgh team, Peter, I don't know if you've been paying attention. They're now in first place. Crosby and Malkin are playing like it's 10 years ago. I know it's early, but you know what, the points don't go bad. So devil's got to turn this thing around. We'll see. If not they can be give, give back all the goodwill they had with that eight game winning streak.

Allen (3:17)

Now to get back to the NBA of it. Because you know, again the Knicks play in Chicago tonight against the Bulls. We talked to Steve Novak earlier in the show. He's going to make his MSG Networks debut filling in for Clyde tonight with Mike Breen. So it'll be great to listen to that. But there's the Knicks in these. Look, they haven't had Mitchell Robinson all season but, but Mitchell Robinson was listed as a game time decision for tonight and he went on social media to say I'm ready. So there's a lot of speculation that he's going to play tonight. He's warming up, he's getting ready to play and it'll be the first time the Knicks have him. Deuce McBride had been away from the team for personal reasons. He's back tonight. So this will be the first time. It's the full, it's the fully operational Death Star, it's the whole team. It's what the starting five was supposed to look like and everybody off the bench. So you know, this will be our first look at this team. But once again they haven't really spent a lot of time. They don't have a lot of experience together. They haven't played a ton together, so it'll be interesting to see it and also how much Robinson plays, but at least the guys on the court because it took five games to get him here.

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Peter Rosenberg (7:12)

So does that opinion of the whole, you know, load management on opening night, you take it to look at differently. Hadn't played at all in any of the game?

Allen (7:21)

No.

Peter Rosenberg (7:22)

So was it load management or was it just, hey, just wasn't ready to play? Like was it something happen? Load management or something? Yeah, because they thought.

Allen (7:31)

They said there wasn't a new injury. That's what they keep saying. It's not a new injury. It's not a new injury. They're managing him and that's what we all were saying. It's like, well, wait, if it wasn't a new injury, why wouldn't you play him on opening night? Just for edification, right? It's just opening night. And then if you wanted to say, well, now it's load management Friday because it's two days late, whatever it is, you want to bring him along slowly. It's just strange that, you know, he didn't play the first four games of the season and they were fairly spread out games. I mean, think about it. They played Tuesday. They haven't played since Tuesday. So even if you played him Tuesday, he would have had three days in between. So I don't know what this is about, but at least he's playing tonight. Or at least that's what the expectation is, I should say. And if he's, if he's in the lineup tonight and gives you 20 minutes, at least you say, all right, well, he's on the floor, so that means he's okay. But it's odd. But you could tell they don't want to have any situation with him, that at some point this season where he goes down, he's in pain and now he's out, they cannot afford it. He's too important to them. When we get to April, May and.

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You know, I had mentioned this during the announcer lineup when we got to the Bills Chiefs game, but do you guys both realize what the stat is? The Bills are four and one in this run over the last several years. Four and one in regular season games against the Chiefs. Oh, and four in the playoffs.

Peter Rosenberg (11:51)

Wow.

Guest Caller or Listener (11:52)

So you really do at this point. Like how as a fan, do you celebrate if you get another one of them right?

Allen (11:58)

You can't, you can't, you can't. It's tough, but you still would rather win.

Guest Caller or Listener (12:04)

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Peter Rosenberg (12:05)

Yeah, you got the Patriots on your heels now too. It's not a given.

Allen (12:08)

Yeah, you still need it.

Peter Rosenberg (12:11)

Yeah, right.

Allen (12:11)

No matter who you're playing. Yeah, you need it. But I want to update something. We were just talking about the Knicks a minute ago. They'll be playing in Chicago. We have the coverage starting at 7:30 after Dan Grasse. So it's official now. Mitchell Robbins is in the lineup. So he's. That they have the full roster now available tonight. It is the first time all season the full roster as it's expected. It's supposed to be in the lineup tonight. So very interesting to see what it looks like. We saw a little bit in the preseason, but it's preseason. This is the first time we'll get to see it in the regular season and we'll see how much more because they play against Sunday and if they're managing Mitchell Robinson Sunday, Monday they play. You know, you don't know when he's going to play. So watch while you can or listen while you can while they have the full lineup available.

Peter Rosenberg (12:55)

So we've got the Knicks, we've got the Giants. No Jets. They're on a buy. But we got to keep an eye on what happens with the trade deadline coming up on Tuesday. And we got World Series game six tonight from Toronto. What are you feeling? Toronto wrap it up tonight or do we have a game seven tomorrow?

Allen (13:11)

Who's on the. I should have checked. Just help me out. Who's on the mountain? Is it Gosman?

Peter Rosenberg (13:17)

I believe so. For the Blue Jays. Let me just get the. The pitching match.

Allen (13:21)

Is it Yamamoto?

Peter Rosenberg (13:24)

Got to be.

Allen (13:27)

It is. Osman and Yamamoto, right? I figured they were up next. See, Gosman wasn't Good. I think he was game two. Right. And Yamamoto was unreal. So they're gonna, Dodgers, you know, you want every penny of that 300 million they gave him. You got to see it tonight for the Dodgers.

Peter Rosenberg (13:44)

Yeah.

Allen (13:44)

And listen, he has to be on the road, dominant.

Peter Rosenberg (13:47)

He got it going. It seems like it's weird, right? The Blue Jays win the blowout game one, Dodgers win the next two. Yamamoto was unstoppable in game two and Ohtani was unstoppable in game three. But then, you know, the Blue Jays get back. I think we're going to have a game tomorrow. I do. I think it's gonna be like really interesting 7 and it'd be really good for baseball to be able to get that Game seven after having just five games last year. Want to just quickly remind you, you know, of course still football season. So everyone playing ESPN New York Survivor, make your pick before Sunday's one o' clock games to stay in the running for the five thousand dollar grand prize. After eight weeks we have 309 survivors leaving only Chris Canty and Evan Cohen as their surviving ESPN personalities all along on ESPN New York's app powered by Splash Sports.com I wonder what the vibe will be. You know it's, it's so weird. La a lot like New York in this way that and I, I haven't spent a lot. We got in really late last night, went right to the hotel and then you know, because of the time difference it's basically get up, have breakfast and then come here for the show because we have the meeting at you know, 11:30 in the morning for me, for our, for 2:30 back in New York of, and I'm here in LA and there's a couple of people with Dodgers hats and stuff. But if we're in, If I'm in St. Louis, if I'm, you know, in Milwaukee and their teams in the world, I wouldn't be able to get away from it. But yeah, LA is such a strange vibe that there's like so much other things going on. Like there's no even conversation about changing the, the game. The Kings are playing at six tomorrow against the Devils. Like if there's, they're not even talking about changing it if there's a game seven because just one of those cities that they can multitask, right? Dodgers playing game seven of the World Series, you know, Lakers and, and the Kings and everybody else just still go about their business the same kind of like New York, you know, it's, it's.

Allen (15:44)

So spread out though. Right. Like it's so spread out that you. I don't know the one thing about la, it doesn't really have a downtown. Like I know there is a downtown and they did a great job with LA Live and there's a little more.

Peter Rosenberg (15:54)

But LA Live is, is a cool vibe though.

Allen (15:56)

It's cool. Yeah. But you know what I mean, like doesn't have like, like where, like when you're in Manhattan and it's just, you know, there's a, like if, if one of the teams, if the Yankees are in the World Series, it's. You feel it, it's everywhere. But it's very spread out. But I think if you go where you're gonna go, you're gonna go out, you're gonna want to watch the game, you're gonna go to restaurant with your buddy right now. Yeah, I think you're going to feel it. Then you'll probably. That's when you'll feel it because it.

Richard of Manhattan (16:22)

Is a good sports town.

Guest Caller or Listener (16:23)

And I will say I've actually seen a surprising amount as the run has continued of people wearing LA Dodger stuff here in New York. Like the transplants are excited at this point. There's sense in a higher level of pride in the Dodgers than there's been previously.

Allen (16:40)

Yep.

Peter Rosenberg (16:41)

So you got that going on tonight and I'd like to see a game seven is. Allen said it'd be great for baseball to get a game seven and again I don't have a dog in the fight but you know to just see a great series and it's been a really good series. There's been a few blowouts and the last two games have been kind of uneventful as far as like drama is concerned. But I just think that game three to have it be a part of a seven game series, have it be a part of a Dodger win, I think will age better but should be a lot of fun. Got the football, so it should be pretty exciting. Let's go to Richard of Manhattan. What's going on? Richard.

Richard of Manhattan (17:14)

Don, Peter, Al. I got four, four quick ones. Jackson Dart reminds me of Archie Manning. Both from Mississippi. Both came to bad teams. They look exactly alike and they play exactly the like. That's what I got on number one. Number two, the Yankees mentioned without mentioning World Series of bust from 1960-64. They went to five World Series, they won two, they kept the manager. The three that they lost in 60 they lost, Stengel was gone 63, they lost, Hauck was gone 64, Bera was gone. They Lost to the Cardinals. Bera was gone. So if they didn't win the World Series, the manager was gone. Just think of that. All right? Allen, what you mentioned yesterday about the great shot by Garfield Hurd, what made it great was to play before the greatest sports play I've ever seen. Peter, you would love this. It had nothing to do with athletics. Paul Westfall called a timeout that he knew he didn't have. They were down by one. It gave Charlie Scott one shot. He shot, it hit it. But it brought the ball all the way to front court. And that enabled Garfield Hurt to get the two point shot. Otherwise they would have had to bring the ball from under their own basket. No way. Even with a one point deficit. And finally, last point.

Guest Caller or Listener (18:40)

Richard. Why do you think I want? I want. I'd be interested in things that reportedly have.

Richard of Manhattan (18:44)

No, that was intelligence. You're always a thinking man, Peter. So I think anyone on the sports field or the arena that uses his head, just like Derek Tito, when he backed up that play on Giambi, there was an athleticism to that. Paul Westfall used his head the whole way. That's unbelievable. All right, my last point. Don, I gotta correct you on this. The coach of the Giants was Jim Lee Howell.

Peter Rosenberg (19:10)

And.

Richard of Manhattan (19:11)

And here's the story with Lombardi and Lombardi and Landry. The Giants won the championship in 56. They couldn't fire Jim Lee Howell. Then they went to the greatest game ever. They went to the championship game in 58. Lombardi left right after that play. He went to Green bay for the 59th season. Then Landry left after the 59th season. Giants went to the championship game again. So they couldn't fire Jim Lee Howell. So Landry went to The Cowboys in 60. Now 60. The Giants didn't have a good record, so they fired Jim Lee Howell. All they had left was Ally Sherman to choose from. But they offered the job to Lombardi. Now he was at Green Bay for two years. He wouldn't do without a loyalty to Green Bay. Landry was of course, there only one year with Dallas, so. And Ali Sherman. I'm telling you, Allen, Outside of the 69 to 73 Knicks, the 61 to 63 Giants were the most beloved the team in New York. Ali Sherman brought in Schofner. He brought in Joe Walton. He brought in Kittle. They were offensive juggernaut. He was way ahead of his time. Ali Sherman, he brought offense to the game. And the Giants would truly be loved. Now no one is. No one competes with the 69, 70 Knicks forward with fellas.

Allen (20:32)

Thank you.

Peter Rosenberg (20:33)

Yes. Steve Owen, he was gone by 53. You know, obviously it was before my lifetime. I was use Jim Lee Howell and Steve Owen because they were both the 50s coaches for the Giants. But boy.

Allen (20:44)

But you know what's funny, though? Yeah, the, the, the fact that Jim Lee Howell is not a name that people like, most people like. That's not a name in New York sports coaching. But he was, they were so good at the time. You couldn't fire him for two legends that you didn't know.

Peter Rosenberg (21:01)

They were legends at the time, though.

Allen (21:02)

You didn't. But isn't it amazing? That's the part that's amazing to me is that he never really had a legacy that made you say, well, you had this guy.

Peter Rosenberg (21:11)

Well, what a way to close.

Allen (21:16)

Life is a choice.

Peter Rosenberg (21:17)

I'm gonna take off on Monday because I'm gonna be traveling back. God, I feel like I've been on the road forever, but it's been so much fun. We will talk to you again on Monday. Dan Grass is coming up next on ESPN New York.

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